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It sounds like there is enough material among us all to perhaps pull it together in a single book. If anyone would like to work on pulling something like that together... BTW, Is the four-color theorem still one that has only been proven by computer or is there now an elegant mathematical proof too? --dawn On 5/11/07, Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Gabriel, I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book. We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at this time. I ought to rewrite my stuff about MV. What I'll try and do is write a Why MV article. I've found a nice little Einstein quote - As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. And there's always Knuth - Beware of bugs, I have only proved this program correct, not tested it. You know my complaint about Relational is maths not science ... :-) I need to word that in simple words that a novice can understand, and then we might break the relational death-grip :-) I've got a new analogy to replace Newton :-) You know that map problem? How many colours it takes to guarantee no two adjacent regions share a colour? Well, it's easy to prove that seven colours are both necessary and sufficient ... Hang on!!! EASY? And SEVEN? Well, it is. Provided you choose a convenient reality to do it in. Just don't choose a two-dimensional reality to do it in. Bit like database analysis, really. It's easy, if you don't choose a two-dimensional reality to do it in :-) Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board
On 5/10/07, Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Let me respond to some of these... but first: MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part of making the incubator work. Gabriel, I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book. We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at this time. Very cool, Chuck. If you need a reader, you know where I live... (and if it happens to be one that someone else started, then I've already read some if it) cheers! --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today Rob, Dave Jerry, VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up waiting for it. Karl, The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG content so that we can keep things dynamic and current. -- Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Just so everyone is clear - Yes having a VM would be excellent (I use VPC all the time). That's where the whole discussion of the incubator began, and we've been round that loop for several months and it's a no-go. IBM (corporate, not U2 division) have too many legal hurdles to make it possible. We would have to be given the legal right to distribute U2: for that we would have to incorporate, charge membership (!), have legal counsel, submit taxes, and board members would take on a level of liability that's simply not appropriate to what is, after all, a volunteer organization.. and if we went down that road, it would suck up all our limited resources as a user group for the next n years just to get through it. And personally I'd rather concentrate on delivering something useful to the group - and the Learner packs need not only be for newcomers - than spend my year working through IBM legals! Regards Brian But you can't do that due to the IBM License on the PE version - the end user *must* navigate through that license during the installation was my understanding. They HAVE to pull the PE from the IBM site directly. Meaning, no way to build ready-to-run PE Virtual Machines DW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Normandin, Jerry Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Sounds like a great Idea! I'm willing to put together a tuned cookie cutter vmplayer image. This will yield a usable demo that can run on windows and linux. ... as the guiness commercial goes... A VM of U2 on Linux, BRILLIANT! Jerry Normandin | System Level II Intuit Eclipse Distribution Management Solutions 75 Perseverance Way Hyannis, MA 02601 T 508.778.9151 Ext. 1245 F 508.778.6443 www.eclipse.intuit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *This e-mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) above only, and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this e-mail and any attachment(s) thereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Murray Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run VMWare image of U2 on linux? VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a number of linux and such images available under their 'Virtual Appliances Marketplace' - http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/ All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a MS-Windows platform. Cheers, David Murray .learn and do .excel and share -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32. IBM seems to support Linux... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system. This would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. could be pre-installed. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Hi Dawn Just a brief response to your posting. Being based in South Africa, where we sometimes seem to feel like the lost children of the U2 community, we tend to get the opposite feeling to what you are putting across. We recently had Susie Siegesmund out here in South Africa and part of the reason for her visit was to help promote the growth of the local U2 market. She has in the past been very instrumental in assisting us in this and still shows a huge commitment to doing so. This has particularly been in the small user end of the market. I do feel that where the problem may come in is in the lack of knowledge by the rest of IBM about the U2 products and that they therefore tend to push people towards something they know. I feel the Incubator Program is a very good idea, and although IBM may have legal issues to work around, I do not see them being insurmountable, but rather, based on my previous experience with the IBM U2 team, would expect them to assist as much as possible. Thanks Kurt Neumann -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: 11 May 2007 08:28 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board On 5/10/07, Dave Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck, Stepping up on my soap box I suspect I'll end up on mine before this post is done, so I might as well say so up front too. I have no reason to believe that IBM is eager to attract end-customers (non-VARs) to U2 and almost as little reason to believe that they want to put any effort into attracting new VARs. Even those converting from other Pick vendors (D3, jBASE, Revelation, OpenQM, UniVision) might be of only ho-hum interest unless they are huge (and I think IBM knows whether they have most of the huge ones already or not). So, if the U2UG is trying to address any of those audiences, I am not at all convinced that the support needed to close the deal with anyone downloading the PE edition, however souped up it might be, will be there. There are no magazines I read that have Ads for IBM products, including DB2, that give me any hint that IBM would like me to use U2 for any new projects (others might be seeing such advertising, but it isn't in front of me). I made the decision not to beg IBM to market to me. So, if the U2UG is going to do something very cool like what has been suggested for this Incubator, you might also want to know who it is that IBM is passionate about bringing into the U2 fold. I suspect, unless I see evidence to the contrary, that their target group, the group for which they will spend money, are the prospective customers of existing VARs, with their investments being in existing VARs, period (or very close to period). Those are not, in general, folks who need the PE edition as a sales tool--their VAR will get it all working for them. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board
We can have an archive of the PE version within the virtual machine. When the virtual machine boots for the firstime the user will be guided through the PE installation and force the user to navigate through the license and install PE from the archive. Jerry Normandin | System Level II Intuit Eclipse Distribution Management Solutions 75 Perseverance Way Hyannis, MA 02601 T 508.778.9151 Ext. 1245 F 508.778.6443 www.eclipse.intuit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *This e-mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) above only, and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this e-mail and any attachment(s) thereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Murray Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:57 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board I was assuming that IBM would do this. Cheers, David Murray .learn and do .excel and share -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board But you can't do that due to the IBM License on the PE version - the end user *must* navigate through that license during the installation was my understanding. They HAVE to pull the PE from the IBM site directly. Meaning, no way to build ready-to-run PE Virtual Machines DW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Normandin, Jerry Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Sounds like a great Idea! I'm willing to put together a tuned cookie cutter vmplayer image. This will yield a usable demo that can run on windows and linux. ... as the guiness commercial goes... A VM of U2 on Linux, BRILLIANT! Jerry Normandin | System Level II Intuit Eclipse Distribution Management Solutions 75 Perseverance Way Hyannis, MA 02601 T 508.778.9151 Ext. 1245 F 508.778.6443 www.eclipse.intuit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *This e-mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) above only, and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this e-mail and any attachment(s) thereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Murray Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run VMWare image of U2 on linux? VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a number of linux and such images available under their 'Virtual Appliances Marketplace' - http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/ All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a MS-Windows platform. Cheers, David Murray .learn and do .excel and share -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32. IBM seems to support Linux... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system. This would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. could be pre-installed. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users
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Hey Dave! you started on Linux when I did! In 1994 Yggdrasil was one of the only distributions on CDROM. Yggdrasil was what got me started with Linux. When Gentoo came along I was hooked. You compile everything optimized for your architecture! Jerry Normandin | System Level II Intuit Eclipse Distribution Management Solutions 75 Perseverance Way Hyannis, MA 02601 T 508.778.9151 Ext. 1245 F 508.778.6443 www.eclipse.intuit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *This e-mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) above only, and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this e-mail and any attachment(s) thereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:16 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Anthony Youngman wrote: I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half :-) When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE. Be nice to get that officially into portage :-) (I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-) Cheers, Wol I recently (within the past month) wiped my gentoo desktop box so I could try (K)ubuntu. (K)ubuntu seems to be a decent enough distribution, but for the life of me I still don't understand its popularity. Their policy on root accounts alone was enough to put me off. The primary reason I prefer Linux to any MS solution is that Linux, for the most part, doesn't make judgement calls about what I want to do with MY computer. (K)ubuntu threw that right out the window with their sudo nonsense. It was a bad decision. I had my reasons for replacing gentoo, among them the lack of a recent install CD. However I just checked www.gentoo.org, and imagine my surprise... there's a 2007.0 install finally available. I guess I'll spend the weekend reinstalling. Yes, you read that correctly: the weekend. I've been a Linux user since 1994 (I still have an ancient Yggdrasil distribution, boot floppy and all). I've tried most of the major players, and landed on gentoo about three years ago. What sold me was the amount of control you have with gentoo. Want to try a bleeding edge app? Preface 'emerge' with 'ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86' (replace ~x86 with your platform of choice). 'USE' keywords offer very fine granularity over what libraries get used when you install a package. And the gentoo wiki offers some of the best documentation I've seen for ANY computer platform. My email archives fail me right now, and my middle-aged memory has been all but useless for quite some time now (I blame the '70's, but there ya go). Someone in the openqm community had an ebuild going for gentoo. In short (is it too late for that?), good luck with building your gentoo system. If ya got any questions (WordPerfect 8??) feel free to holler at me. -- Dave Walker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Or if IBM legal is the issue - why not provide IBM the image, and let the users download it from there. I can't believe IBM is so backward they can't do this. (well, maybe I can) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Normandin, Jerry Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:36 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board We can have an archive of the PE version within the virtual machine. When the virtual machine boots for the firstime the user will be guided through the PE installation and force the user to navigate through the license and install PE from the archive. Jerry Normandin --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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But again, U2UG cannot actually put the installation in the VM. They HAVE to go to the website and download it. So - all you could do is a script that to leads them to the download site. The still have to endure the 60+MB download of stuff they need. It's IBM's gift to the fledgling incubator user - learn to suffer! (I hope it builds character! g) In reality, this being a legal issue is hooey... Anyone who wanted to make this work who was high enough up on IBM's side could make it possible if it were important enough to them. The whole legal issue could be fixed in a 'legalese wrapper' for the installation. I suspect the fact is, it's important to the U2UG and others like us, but as Dawn pointed out - why does IBM care one way or the other? That's why the process will end up being convoluted and leave the 'wow, this is a pain' experience (think like no SBClient - lots of downloads) - no one high up enough at IBM is greasing the rails to make it smoother. DW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Normandin, Jerry Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:36 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board We can have an archive of the PE version within the virtual machine. When the virtual machine boots for the firstime the user will be guided through the PE installation and force the user to navigate through the license and install PE from the archive. Jerry Normandin --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Jerry, It's a good idea, but we've been there also. The image would contain stuff not belonging to IBM (ie our learner packs) so they won't do it (legal reasons again). That's why we've gone for the automated-as-far-as-possible download and install route. Like I said, this discussion has been ongoing for some time.. Brian Or if IBM legal is the issue - why not provide IBM the image, and let the users download it from there. I can't believe IBM is so backward they can't do this. (well, maybe I can) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Normandin, Jerry Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:36 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board We can have an archive of the PE version within the virtual machine. When the virtual machine boots for the firstime the user will be guided through the PE installation and force the user to navigate through the license and install PE from the archive. Jerry Normandin --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Tom Thanks! That's just the kind of thing we're looking for. We're not settled on the file system yet, BUT.. My first document - an intro to creating your first application - uses the Wychbooks demonstration database that I've also used for some of the knowledge base articles, and from my point of view it would make sense to carry on with that until someone comes up with something better. I've also done a UniVerse import of the freedb.org database - a CD listing with about 3 million titles, used by WinAmp and other open source media players. It turns into a nice mv database (each CD has multivalued tracks with translates to artists, genres etc) so that might also be worth plundering.. You can download a copy of the wychbooks demo from my website (www.brianleach.co.uk) if you want to take a quick look in the meantime. Best Regards Brian Charles (looking for some help) Barouch: I have some fairly self contained routines for both Sockets interface and for file Triggers that I would be willing to customize for use with what ever file structure the U2UG learner pack has designed. I think these are two of the really great features of U2. Tom Dodds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:25 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, Let me respond to some of these... but first: MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part of making the incubator work. Gabriel, I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book. We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at this time. Rob, Dave Jerry, VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up waiting for it. Karl, The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG content so that we can keep things dynamic and current. -- Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Brian -- Good work with everything you have done. I love the new web site with UniVerse backing it -- super! (when will it be the one we get to at u2ug.org?) I like your various utilities. I couldn't find the demo database in my first pass of late at your web site, but will return again later as there was more to see. I have no doubt that you will do good work with the incubator too, but, again, it might be an opportunity for the board to get a clear understanding from IBM as to their target audience and with what type of prospective customer they will be activitly engaged in helping to close the deal. Are 30, 60, or 90% of their marketing efforts towards existing VARs and their prospects? What % of IBM's database marketing dollars and what % of the U2 marketing dollars are targeted to getting new VARs who have never used a Pick product before? What percentage to trying to woo non-U2, but currently multivalue VARs or application providers? If you get people some portion of the way there, is IBM planning to allocate any dollars to taking those that the U2UG and the incubator project bring in and try to convert them to customers? In spite of not choosing it for my current project, I still hope you are able to be very successful, which is why I am jumping in with this concern. I'm not sure that even if it were an if we build it, they will come situation, that the next piece is in place. Having the ability to do what you are planning might give you some leverage with IBM to get some more commitment from them to possibly widen their scope. It might even be helpful to the U2 team if the U2UG asks IBM some questions along these lines. Best wishes. --dawn On 5/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Thanks! That's just the kind of thing we're looking for. We're not settled on the file system yet, BUT.. My first document - an intro to creating your first application - uses the Wychbooks demonstration database that I've also used for some of the knowledge base articles, and from my point of view it would make sense to carry on with that until someone comes up with something better. I've also done a UniVerse import of the freedb.org database - a CD listing with about 3 million titles, used by WinAmp and other open source media players. It turns into a nice mv database (each CD has multivalued tracks with translates to artists, genres etc) so that might also be worth plundering.. You can download a copy of the wychbooks demo from my website (www.brianleach.co.uk) if you want to take a quick look in the meantime. Best Regards Brian Charles (looking for some help) Barouch: I have some fairly self contained routines for both Sockets interface and for file Triggers that I would be willing to customize for use with what ever file structure the U2UG learner pack has designed. I think these are two of the really great features of U2. Tom Dodds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:25 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, Let me respond to some of these... but first: MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part of making the incubator work. Gabriel, I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book. We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at this time. Rob, Dave Jerry, VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up waiting for it. Karl, The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG content so that we can keep things dynamic and current. -- Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Sorry I didn't mean that to go to the whole list.. should have looked before I hit the reply. Brian | Tom | Thanks! That's just the kind of thing we're looking for. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Dawn Thanks! The u2ug address is 'in progress' - Chuck's doing a test run with u2ug.net to get to the new site. Once we know that's all working, we'll repeat the process with u2ug.org. Yes, my own web site is always bottom of the list sigh and really needs reorganizing and some new content. Isn't that always the way? I've got a whole bunch more free utilities I just need to package up to go on there - starting with a nice and easy Windows editor that I use every day now but just never got round to polishing. As for IBM - I'm actually not hugely concerned, which may seem a strange attitude. Let me explain: we've all spent years saying why doesn't the vendor do (marketing, promotion, whatever it might be) It's become such an ingrained response that it is almost a mantra. Yes, we want them to do these things, but the problem is, whilst the vendor doesn't, we don't either. The same charges were levelled against everyone from VMARK to Microdata and nothing has changed. I really believe the only way to resurrect the model is from within the community and the people who use it. It would, of course, be good to get marketing information from IBM but I'm not going to sit back and wait for it. That's better handled by those who are more market-aware than I. What I really hope is to try to motivate the user group members to start promoting in small ways. The cumulative effect could be very powerful. Look at how PHP started life.. Am I being too hopeful/cynical? Best Regards Brian Brian -- Good work with everything you have done. I love the new web site with UniVerse backing it -- super! (when will it be the one we get to at u2ug.org?) I like your various utilities. I couldn't find the demo database in my first pass of late at your web site, but will return again later as there was more to see. I have no doubt that you will do good work with the incubator too, but, again, it might be an opportunity for the board to get a clear understanding from IBM as to their target audience and with what type of prospective customer they will be activitly engaged in helping to close the deal. Are 30, 60, or 90% of their marketing efforts towards existing VARs and their prospects? What % of IBM's database marketing dollars and what % of the U2 marketing dollars are targeted to getting new VARs who have never used a Pick product before? What percentage to trying to woo non-U2, but currently multivalue VARs or application providers? If you get people some portion of the way there, is IBM planning to allocate any dollars to taking those that the U2UG and the incubator project bring in and try to convert them to customers? In spite of not choosing it for my current project, I still hope you are able to be very successful, which is why I am jumping in with this concern. I'm not sure that even if it were an if we build it, they will come situation, that the next piece is in place. Having the ability to do what you are planning might give you some leverage with IBM to get some more commitment from them to possibly widen their scope. It might even be helpful to the U2 team if the U2UG asks IBM some questions along these lines. Best wishes. --dawn --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Of course, I assume that there is nothing wrong with having a pre-configured OS image for the player that will ensure success. With Linux could then be as simple as Click the 'Install Universe' Icon on the desktop, which scripts file transfer, downloads etc ... IBM have the technology skills to do this, just a matter of seeing if they have the will dedication (good call/comparison of earlier poster with DB-Express reference) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Friday, 11 May 2007 9:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, Let me respond to some of these... but first: MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part of making the incubator work. Gabriel, I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book. We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at this time. Rob, Dave Jerry, VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up waiting for it. Karl, The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG content so that we can keep things dynamic and current. -- Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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I have to agree 1000% with this idea - though it is likely to blow the size of the install image out quite a bit, and probably takes it beyond the scope of a simple/quick download. HOWEVER, the benefits of then having an environment with everything setup CORRECTLY are obvious. Of course, not sure what would be involved on the Microsoft side of the camp to have a Windows image in place - probably even problematic with something like RedHat (looking at SUPPORTED platforms here, rather than platforms that you may be able to get PE to run on with sufficient knowledge/tweaking Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 11 May 2007 3:13 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system. This would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. could be pre-installed. Regards, Rob Wills (rob dot wills at inter hyphen weavers dot com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2007 04:39:21: All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Outstanding... I am 1000% in favor of this initiative. I have never been able to get PE to work on a PC... always running into install problems. Beefing up PE would be the best advertizing that IBM could hope for... --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Is there a possibility of adding a Terminal emulator? Accuterm for instance? Bruce M Neylon Health Care Management Group Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/2007 11:39 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half :-) When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE. Be nice to get that officially into portage :-) (I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-) Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: Brutzman, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 May 2007 15:41 To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Outstanding... I am 1000% in favor of this initiative. I have never been able to get PE to work on a PC... always running into install problems. Beefing up PE would be the best advertizing that IBM could hope for... --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Adding an emulator is a great idea, however it should be an IBM product. Much easier to make a business case expanding the IBM product line than any third party products. My 2 bits Karl quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a possibility of adding a Terminal emulator? Accuterm for instance? Bruce M Neylon Health Care Management Group Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/2007 11:39 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Can I ask a silly question--why are there no MV books in bookstores in print? Anyone want to write one? ;-) Is the MV market expanding, shrinking, or staying stagnant? Does IBM plan to really start promoting U2 or is it just something they acquired to get a few large customers? Anybody? Gabe On 5/9/07, Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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My version of UVPE and UDPE came with Dymanic Connect (a streamlined version of Wintegrate). It serves all of my emulation needs. Actually, we have deployed it here instead of our proprietary emulation. Vance -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Adding an emulator is a great idea, however it should be an IBM product. Much easier to make a business case expanding the IBM product line than any third party products. My 2 bits Karl This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. Thank you. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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At 08:39 PM 5/9/2007, you wrote: Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Great Idea! I have wondered for years why this kind of package is not available for multi-value trials. We need something that a new user can easily understand and use without prior training. Ken --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Last I looked, Dynamic Connect was bundled with the PE editions. It was included in the clients zip file, rather than the pe zip file. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/07 11:24 AM Adding an emulator is a great idea, however it should be an IBM product. snip Karl quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a possibility of adding a Terminal emulator? Accuterm for instance? Bruce M Neylon Health Care Management Group - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Good luck with that. All I have to say about Gentoo is be careful with compiler flags going a little too crazy and ports (or whatever they call them, I forget) getting out of sync. Would be nice to get UV on FreeBSD but it seems to work beautifully on Windows.. no complaints so far =) Microsoft apparently put enough hard work into Windows to turn it from the toy that was NT4 into a robust OS suitable for enterprise use (didn't think I'd ever say that 8 years ago...) Gabe On 5/10/07, Anthony Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half :-) When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE. Be nice to get that officially into portage :-) (I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-) Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: Brutzman, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 May 2007 15:41 To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Outstanding... I am 1000% in favor of this initiative. I have never been able to get PE to work on a PC... always running into install problems. Beefing up PE would be the best advertizing that IBM could hope for... --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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The basic 'Direct Connect' terminal emulator is bundled with the U2 windows client package. What would be nice is SBClient to be bundled, so the capabilities of SB+ can be demonstrated. Cheers, David Murray .learn and do .excel and share -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:04 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Is there a possibility of adding a Terminal emulator? Accuterm for instance? Bruce M Neylon Health Care Management Group Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/2007 11:39 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Would be nice to get UV on FreeBSD Can't resist the plug OpenQM runs on FreeBSD. Martin Phillips, Ladybridge Systems Ltd --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system. This would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. could be pre-installed. Regards, Rob Wills (rob dot wills at inter hyphen weavers dot com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2007 04:39:21: All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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As a gentoo user and contributor I can say make sure you are using a current valid profile for your platform and make sure you properly configured your /etc/make.conf. There are many advantages to running Gentoo. 1st off it's compiled and optimized for your architecture, this means it's extremely fast! Second... IN PLACE OS upgrades are awesome and work well. If your are a newbie then I suggest first download a live cd or dvd for your architecture. Hit the gentoo website read up on how to install, if you have any questions someone is always willing to help through the gentoo forums. Gentoo isn't meant to be an easy install. For those of us who are tech savy there are many benfits from utilizing this distribution. I currently use gentoo on: AMD PPC AMD64bit PPC 64bit Efika Embedded Controller I'd like to see an Open source version of UV. IBM forgot that Linux runs on myany platforms. My Linux servers at home are all PPC. If I was going to play with uv at home I'd run it on one of my servers. My PPC servers have Mysql 5.0 (evolving nicely!) Jerry Normandin | System Level II Intuit Eclipse Distribution Management Solutions 75 Perseverance Way Hyannis, MA 02601 T 508.778.9151 Ext. 1245 F 508.778.6443 www.eclipse.intuit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *This e-mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) above only, and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this e-mail and any attachment(s) thereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabriel Green Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Good luck with that. All I have to say about Gentoo is be careful with compiler flags going a little too crazy and ports (or whatever they call them, I forget) getting out of sync. Would be nice to get UV on FreeBSD but it seems to work beautifully on Windows.. no complaints so far =) Microsoft apparently put enough hard work into Windows to turn it from the toy that was NT4 into a robust OS suitable for enterprise use (didn't think I'd ever say that 8 years ago...) Gabe On 5/10/07, Anthony Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half :-) When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE. Be nice to get that officially into portage :-) (I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-) Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: Brutzman, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 May 2007 15:41 To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Outstanding... I am 1000% in favor of this initiative. I have never been able to get PE to work on a PC... always running into install problems. Beefing up PE would be the best advertizing that IBM could hope for... --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http
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Chuck, Stepping up on my soap box As I have said before on this subject, you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged that they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month. When I asked him, how many sales did you make, he had no clue. If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do you think I'm doing to say Well, Self, this is really a good product, but you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work? What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in 2000 disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that *the product* doesn't work! NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide product technical support - *as you do today*. This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're not going to get another one. Stepping down off my soap box With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following ideas: 1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical support at any time during or after the installation. 2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM or contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that attempt to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product, including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple application to the eval database. 3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name, address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase the product. 4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration date, because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to play with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production system. Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector, and because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler commands, we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to be distributed with these eval copies of the PE. This will over come the most difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD. Also, since UV and UD do not read generic Pick file saves and account saves, we will also offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs, TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable them to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV or UD. I think that the u2ug needs to come up with a mutually acceptable policy for licensing these products for use in the PE library. We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion activities. I totally support this project and am glad to assist wherever we can. Rgds, Dave Dave Taylor CEO Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (O) 310-544-1974 (C) 310-561-5200 (F) 310-377-3550 www.sysmarkinfo.com Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation, DataSync Integration and Software Migration Authorized IBM Business Partner - Original Message - From: Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The end result will be a full install, with URLs to get them to the U2UG and other key locations. It will allow people to see our technology in the best light possible. Opinions? Flames? Offers to Help? Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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From: David Murray What would be nice is SBClient to be bundled, so the capabilities of SB+ can be demonstrated. Not likely going to happen, but DC works fine with SB+ in character mode. Well, fine following a small patch to SB+. -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com ** Check out our FREE support forum at http://www.PrecisOnline.com/forum/. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Might I also suggest that all the extras, like the recommended list of VARs (very good idea), etc. be placed on u2ug.org's website so they are located in one location, and can be updated once? There's nothing less maintainable than a software release with all the packages included, but which is out of date 20 minutes after download... Karl quote who=Dave Taylor Chuck, Stepping up on my soap box As I have said before on this subject, you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged that they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month. When I asked him, how many sales did you make, he had no clue. If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do you think I'm doing to say Well, Self, this is really a good product, but you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work? What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in 2000 disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that *the product* doesn't work! NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide product technical support - *as you do today*. This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're not going to get another one. Stepping down off my soap box With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following ideas: 1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical support at any time during or after the installation. 2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM or contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that attempt to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product, including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple application to the eval database. 3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name, address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase the product. 4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration date, because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to play with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production system. Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector, and because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler commands, we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to be distributed with these eval copies of the PE. This will over come the most difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD. Also, since UV and UD do not read generic Pick file saves and account saves, we will also offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs, TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable them to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV or UD. I think that the u2ug needs to come up with a mutually acceptable policy for licensing these products for use in the PE library. We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion activities. I totally support this project and am glad to assist wherever we can. Rgds, Dave Dave Taylor CEO Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (O) 310-544-1974 (C) 310-561-5200 (F) 310-377-3550 www.sysmarkinfo.com Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation, DataSync Integration and Software Migration Authorized IBM Business Partner - Original Message - From: Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. Here's what we are discussing in broad brushstrokes - all feedback appreciated. We want an *easy* *legal* way to get PE editions into the hands of business people, college students, entrepreneurs, and other market expanders. More than that, we need to get people a version of the PE software which is chock full of examples, training materials, and useful information. Here's what we have in mind: We want to build an installer which pulls the PE editions from the IBM website (allowing the user to sign the IBM agreement), pulls Learner Packs from the U2UG website (allowing the user to sign the U2UG agreement - designed to protect the content all of you will - hopefully - contribute). Finally, the installer will bootstrap the Learner Packs into the PE installation, so the accounts, files, and programs, etc. are all in place. The
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Very well said, Dave. And thanks for your generous offers. The incubator is a great idea and hopefully IBM will be as lenient with the PE licensing and expiration terms as they are with their free DB2 Express-C database. The installer is going to be an amazing piece of code, considering all that's being asked of it. Have fun, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/07 3:00 PM Chuck, Stepping up on my soap box As I have said before on this subject, you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. snip Stepping down off my soap box we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to be distributed with these eval copies of the PE. This will over come the most difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD. we will offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs, TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable them to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV or UD. We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion activities. Rgds, Dave Taylor - Original Message - From: Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: [U2] Incubator - News from the board All, The U2UG board has been discussing the 'incubator plan' and we will soon be presenting a draft proposal to membership. snip - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32. IBM seems to support Linux... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system. This would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. could be pre-installed. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Dave, Very well said. But one thing I might add, and I've been bitten by this myself, I think that the reduced file sizes are probably a good enough of a deterrent to users trying to use the PE version for regular use and you don't need the expiration date. I have downloaded PE versions, installed, but didn't have time to use right off, then finding when I did have time it had expired. Some may think that not many people would be like that but in my world a month is a day. Jerry - Original Message - From: Dave Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Chuck, Stepping up on my soap box As I have said before on this subject, you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged that they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month. When I asked him, how many sales did you make, he had no clue. If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do you think I'm doing to say Well, Self, this is really a good product, but you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work? What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in 2000 disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that *the product* doesn't work! NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide product technical support - *as you do today*. This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're not going to get another one. Stepping down off my soap box With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following ideas: 1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical support at any time during or after the installation. 2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM or contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that attempt to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product, including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple application to the eval database. 3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name, address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase the product. 4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration date, because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to play with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production system. Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector, and because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler commands, we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to be distributed with these eval copies of the PE. This will over come the most difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD. Also, since UV and UD do not read generic Pick file saves and account saves, we will also offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs, TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable them to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV or UD. I think that the u2ug needs to come up with a mutually acceptable policy for licensing these products for use in the PE library. We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion activities. I totally support this project and am glad to assist wherever we can. Rgds, Dave Dave Taylor CEO Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (O) 310-544-1974 (C) 310-561-5200 (F) 310-377-3550 www.sysmarkinfo.com Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation, DataSync Integration and Software Migration Authorized IBM Business Partner --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Reminds me of the good old days when I was the programmer at TAB books in Blue Ridge Summit, PA. We published The PICK Library edited by Jonathan Sisk. Still have some of those books somewhere. Bruce M Neylon Health Care Management Group Gabriel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/2007 11:30 AM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Can I ask a silly question--why are there no MV books in bookstores in print? Anyone want to write one? ;-) Is the MV market expanding, shrinking, or staying stagnant? Does IBM plan to really start promoting U2 or is it just something they acquired to get a few large customers? Anybody? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run VMWare image of U2 on linux? VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a number of linux and such images available under their 'Virtual Appliances Marketplace' - http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/ All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a MS-Windows platform. Cheers, David Murray .learn and do .excel and share -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32. IBM seems to support Linux... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system. This would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. could be pre-installed. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Sounds like a great Idea! I'm willing to put together a tuned cookie cutter vmplayer image. This will yield a usable demo that can run on windows and linux. ... as the guiness commercial goes... A VM of U2 on Linux, BRILLIANT! Jerry Normandin | System Level II Intuit Eclipse Distribution Management Solutions 75 Perseverance Way Hyannis, MA 02601 T 508.778.9151 Ext. 1245 F 508.778.6443 www.eclipse.intuit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *This e-mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) above only, and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this e-mail and any attachment(s) thereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Murray Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run VMWare image of U2 on linux? VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a number of linux and such images available under their 'Virtual Appliances Marketplace' - http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/ All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a MS-Windows platform. Cheers, David Murray .learn and do .excel and share -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32. IBM seems to support Linux... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system. This would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. could be pre-installed. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Anthony Youngman wrote: I'm trying to get a working Gentoo at home. That's a game and a half :-) When I succeed I'll likely try and create an ebuild to install UVPE. Be nice to get that officially into portage :-) (I want to get a WordPerfect 8 ebuild working, too :-) Cheers, Wol I recently (within the past month) wiped my gentoo desktop box so I could try (K)ubuntu. (K)ubuntu seems to be a decent enough distribution, but for the life of me I still don't understand its popularity. Their policy on root accounts alone was enough to put me off. The primary reason I prefer Linux to any MS solution is that Linux, for the most part, doesn't make judgement calls about what I want to do with MY computer. (K)ubuntu threw that right out the window with their sudo nonsense. It was a bad decision. I had my reasons for replacing gentoo, among them the lack of a recent install CD. However I just checked www.gentoo.org, and imagine my surprise... there's a 2007.0 install finally available. I guess I'll spend the weekend reinstalling. Yes, you read that correctly: the weekend. I've been a Linux user since 1994 (I still have an ancient Yggdrasil distribution, boot floppy and all). I've tried most of the major players, and landed on gentoo about three years ago. What sold me was the amount of control you have with gentoo. Want to try a bleeding edge app? Preface 'emerge' with 'ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86' (replace ~x86 with your platform of choice). 'USE' keywords offer very fine granularity over what libraries get used when you install a package. And the gentoo wiki offers some of the best documentation I've seen for ANY computer platform. My email archives fail me right now, and my middle-aged memory has been all but useless for quite some time now (I blame the '70's, but there ya go). Someone in the openqm community had an ebuild going for gentoo. In short (is it too late for that?), good luck with building your gentoo system. If ya got any questions (WordPerfect 8??) feel free to holler at me. -- Dave Walker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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But you can't do that due to the IBM License on the PE version - the end user *must* navigate through that license during the installation was my understanding. They HAVE to pull the PE from the IBM site directly. Meaning, no way to build ready-to-run PE Virtual Machines DW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Normandin, Jerry Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Sounds like a great Idea! I'm willing to put together a tuned cookie cutter vmplayer image. This will yield a usable demo that can run on windows and linux. ... as the guiness commercial goes... A VM of U2 on Linux, BRILLIANT! Jerry Normandin | System Level II Intuit Eclipse Distribution Management Solutions 75 Perseverance Way Hyannis, MA 02601 T 508.778.9151 Ext. 1245 F 508.778.6443 www.eclipse.intuit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *This e-mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) above only, and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this e-mail and any attachment(s) thereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Murray Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run VMWare image of U2 on linux? VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a number of linux and such images available under their 'Virtual Appliances Marketplace' - http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/ All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a MS-Windows platform. Cheers, David Murray .learn and do .excel and share -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32. IBM seems to support Linux... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system. This would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. could be pre-installed. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board
All, Let me respond to some of these... but first: MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part of making the incubator work. Gabriel, I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book. We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at this time. Rob, Dave Jerry, VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up waiting for it. Karl, The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG content so that we can keep things dynamic and current. -- Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Thanks. I've seen broken links so many times using install routines that I could be rich, if finder's fees were applicable. Well, not rich. Karl quote who=Charles Barouch All, Let me respond to some of these... but first: MOST IMPORTANT! We need content for the learner packs! Please contact U2UG President Brian Leach with specific offers to help. We need code examples, well reasoned tutorials, and more. These packs are a big part of making the incubator work. Gabriel, I am currently writing an MV book and editing another. The first will be distributed free as a PDF and the second will be a college text book. We already have one College committed to using it bt I can't say more at this time. Rob, Dave Jerry, VMware was my original proposal and IBM legal found that problematic.It may be possible in the future but we won't hold this up waiting for it. Karl, The hot links included in the incubator will point to a lot of U2UG content so that we can keep things dynamic and current. -- Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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I was assuming that IBM would do this. Cheers, David Murray .learn and do .excel and share -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board But you can't do that due to the IBM License on the PE version - the end user *must* navigate through that license during the installation was my understanding. They HAVE to pull the PE from the IBM site directly. Meaning, no way to build ready-to-run PE Virtual Machines DW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Normandin, Jerry Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Sounds like a great Idea! I'm willing to put together a tuned cookie cutter vmplayer image. This will yield a usable demo that can run on windows and linux. ... as the guiness commercial goes... A VM of U2 on Linux, BRILLIANT! Jerry Normandin | System Level II Intuit Eclipse Distribution Management Solutions 75 Perseverance Way Hyannis, MA 02601 T 508.778.9151 Ext. 1245 F 508.778.6443 www.eclipse.intuit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *This e-mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) above only, and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this e-mail and any attachment(s) thereto is prohibited. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Murray Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board What about a fully installed, configured and ready to run VMWare image of U2 on linux? VWmare now have a free runtime/player and there are already a number of linux and such images available under their 'Virtual Appliances Marketplace' - http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/ All that has to be installed then is the vmware player on a MS-Windows platform. Cheers, David Murray .learn and do .excel and share -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Well, for distribution - this would need to be Linux - as I doubt Microsoft will grant re-dist rights on Win32. IBM seems to support Linux... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board It strikes me that one good way to deliver this would be using VMware or some other similar virtualisation technology that can be run in a free player (VMware Player) on any Windows or Linux operating system. This would make the install easy and all the databases and documentation etc. could be pre-installed. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Why can't the unpacking of the VM have the IBM license agreement in it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Incubator - News from the board But you can't do that due to the IBM License on the PE version - the end user *must* navigate through that license during the installation was my understanding. They HAVE to pull the PE from the IBM site directly. Meaning, no way to build ready-to-run PE Virtual Machines DW --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Yep, I live on that same clock. Richard - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Dave, Very well said. But one thing I might add, and I've been bitten by this myself, I think that the reduced file sizes are probably a good enough of a deterrent to users trying to use the PE version for regular use and you don't need the expiration date. I have downloaded PE versions, installed, but didn't have time to use right off, then finding when I did have time it had expired. Some may think that not many people would be like that but in my world a month is a day. Jerry - Original Message - From: Dave Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Incubator - News from the board Chuck, Stepping up on my soap box As I have said before on this subject, you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. I once spoke with a representative of another mv database who bragged that they got over 2000 downloads of their eval. product per month. When I asked him, how many sales did you make, he had no clue. If I download an eval copy of something and it doesn't work for me, do you think I'm doing to say Well, Self, this is really a good product, but you're too stupid to figure out how to make it work? What we really *don't* need is 2000 downloads a month that result in 2000 disgruntled people who experimented with the product and concluded that *the product* doesn't work! NOTE TO IBM: this is the *last* place you want to refuse to provide product technical support - *as you do today*. This is our *first* chance to make a good first impression, and we're not going to get another one. Stepping down off my soap box With this in mind, may I suggest that we consider some of the following ideas: 1.Adding an invitation to contact the u2ug group for technical support at any time during or after the installation. 2.Ensuring that there are step-by-step tutorials, borrowed from IBM or contributed by our members, starting with the Readme document, that attempt to make it impossible to fail to install, connect and run the product, including (1) creating a simple application and (2) moving a simple application to the eval database. 3.Providing a complete listing of authorized U2 Resellers, by name, address, contact information and areas of specialization, so a person evaluating a product knows where to go to get pricing and to purchase the product. 4.Ensuring that the PE release does *not* have a short expiration date, because individuals often like to keep a 2-user copy on their laptop to play with, even though they have a much larger-user copy on their production system. Since many of the new evaluators will come from the generic Pick sector, and because neither Universe or Unidata support generic Pick spooler commands, we will offer to contribute a copy of SpoolerPlus to the u2ug library to be distributed with these eval copies of the PE. This will over come the most difficult issue faced by most generic Pick people evaluating UV/UD. Also, since UV and UD do not read generic Pick file saves and account saves, we will also offer to contribute a copy of our File Caddy programs, TAPE.DUMP and TAPE.LOAD, and our data cleaning programs to remove unprintable ascii characters that will not load onto UV/UD, to enable them to easily move an entire account from most generic Pick databases to UV or UD. I think that the u2ug needs to come up with a mutually acceptable policy for licensing these products for use in the PE library. We will also contribute to a growing documentation of issues faced in converting to UV/UD as we become aware of them thru out conversion activities. I totally support this project and am glad to assist wherever we can. Rgds, Dave Dave Taylor CEO Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (O) 310-544-1974 (C) 310-561-5200 (F) 310-377-3550 www.sysmarkinfo.com Your Source for Integrated EDI Translation, DataSync Integration and Software Migration Authorized IBM Business Partner --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/787 - Release Date: 5/3/2007 2:11 PM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
