Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

I am going to do my reply between the paragraphs.
So read down till the "end" note.


On 02/24/2018 03:51 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
LibreOffice is not like most programs.  It has a large core program with a
few tiny modules / satellites / add-ons / plug-ins / apps that kinda
plug-in to that core.  Removing one or a handful of those modules does very
little to affect the size or complexity of LibreOffice.  At least that is
how i understand it to be.



There is always Abiword or Google-docs.

Abiword focuses on beinga word-processor without having to integrate with
other programs.  It should be smaller, lighter and faster but i've not used
it in the last decade or so.

The only functionality missing from Abiword was that i couldn't make it
default to using MS formats.  Quite ironic since i now rarely use MS
formats - because they are incompatible between different versions of MS
Office = with new versions of MS Office struggling to open older files that
use their format.


I looked at Abiword before.  I do not know why I did not keep in on the 
computer.


I do have to use MS Office formats.  I do not like to save the documents 
in the formats with a "x" in it. I use .doc instead of .docx, for an 
example.  I have had people send me documents that I needed to edit or 
reproduce - in both Word and Google Docs formats.




As for using Linux i used to be a fairly normal "point and click" user
until after i had used "gnu and linux" for about a year.  In that first
year i spent most of my time still using Windows with only occasional
forays into Linux.  Then i started using Firefox, OpenOffice and other
things on Windows too - and then i found a game on Linux that wouldn't work
on Windows.  That was when my migration to Linux got faster and faster.  So
it took me a couple of years of really not pushing myself before i found
i'd kinda accidentally stumbled into using Linux without working at it
much.
Cost of Windows packages started me on the road to making Linux my 
default. When my list of needed packages totaled over 10 times greater 
than my rent, I really looked for an alternative.  Of course the 
security option over the required security needs in Windows.


I was using Firefox and Thunderbird on Windows, before going to Linux.  
I used MS Office with Office 2003 the last one I have.  I started using 
OOo before it saved files in MS Office formats. When I could not wait 
till OOo updated again, I found LibreOffice while it was still in their 
final release candidate. I have been using it ever since. I still have 
CDs and DVDs of MS and other Windows packages. Some I still have to use 
since I have not found a replacement.


One package I do not use much, is one I always install on my systems. 
Artha is a great offline dictionary and more. If I cannot use Writer and 
its language tools, then Artha is my next line of defense.

I'm not sure what migration route i'd recommend for a blind user.  Perhaps
using a simple virtual machine such as Virtualbox = it's not as scary as it
sound!  It's just a program you can install in Windows and when you
double-click on it the program runs in a window which you can just close to
stop the virtual-machine.

Another route is to install Ubuntu inside Windows as though it was just
another program.  Unlike other distros (Mint, Red-hat, Open-Suse etc) the
Ubuntu people make a "Wubi installer" on their installer Dvd and the Wubi
can be installed on Windows.  So maybe just stick an Ubuntu Dvd or
Usb-stick in and see what options it gives you.


I went to Ubuntu, before I bought my first system with MS Windows NOT 
installed. I looked at several Live CD/DVD version for a HP laptop that 
had XP originally installed. Ubuntu was the only Live version that 
worked with the laptop's sound system. I think that was 9.04. I bought a 
no OS desktop in late Feb 2010 and used 9.10 till 10.04 came out. I 
switched to MATE desktop environment when Ubuntu went to Unity.  I liked 
the GNOME version that was on 10.04, 12.04, till 13.10. I still have one 
desktop using 14.04 with MATE since every time I tried to install 16.04 
the upgrade crashed and kept on crashed.




Actually "Puppy Linux" does something similar but although it's good on
low-spec or older systems it's much less typical of linux distros and it's
not so easy to migrate to other distros

That is just my own opinion but it's too the best of my limited knowledge
about these things.

Regards from
a Tom :)


Since the system would be going to a user that may have used Windows.  
Sure there are "lite" versions of Linux.  I have used them once in a 
while for testing.  I tried some on that old HP laptop in a previous 
reply paragraph. But what I need to do had me installing more and more 
packages that stopped it being a "lite" version.




On 24 February 2018 at 18:37, Robert Großkopf 
wrote:


Hi Tim,

Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not
DEB based Linux install, 

Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
LibreOffice is not like most programs.  It has a large core program with a
few tiny modules / satellites / add-ons / plug-ins / apps that kinda
plug-in to that core.  Removing one or a handful of those modules does very
little to affect the size or complexity of LibreOffice.  At least that is
how i understand it to be.



There is always Abiword or Google-docs.

Abiword focuses on beinga word-processor without having to integrate with
other programs.  It should be smaller, lighter and faster but i've not used
it in the last decade or so.

The only functionality missing from Abiword was that i couldn't make it
default to using MS formats.  Quite ironic since i now rarely use MS
formats - because they are incompatible between different versions of MS
Office = with new versions of MS Office struggling to open older files that
use their format.



As for using Linux i used to be a fairly normal "point and click" user
until after i had used "gnu and linux" for about a year.  In that first
year i spent most of my time still using Windows with only occasional
forays into Linux.  Then i started using Firefox, OpenOffice and other
things on Windows too - and then i found a game on Linux that wouldn't work
on Windows.  That was when my migration to Linux got faster and faster.  So
it took me a couple of years of really not pushing myself before i found
i'd kinda accidentally stumbled into using Linux without working at it
much.

I'm not sure what migration route i'd recommend for a blind user.  Perhaps
using a simple virtual machine such as Virtualbox = it's not as scary as it
sound!  It's just a program you can install in Windows and when you
double-click on it the program runs in a window which you can just close to
stop the virtual-machine.

Another route is to install Ubuntu inside Windows as though it was just
another program.  Unlike other distros (Mint, Red-hat, Open-Suse etc) the
Ubuntu people make a "Wubi installer" on their installer Dvd and the Wubi
can be installed on Windows.  So maybe just stick an Ubuntu Dvd or
Usb-stick in and see what options it gives you.

Actually "Puppy Linux" does something similar but although it's good on
low-spec or older systems it's much less typical of linux distros and it's
not so easy to migrate to other distros

That is just my own opinion but it's too the best of my limited knowledge
about these things.

Regards from
a Tom :)


On 24 February 2018 at 18:37, Robert Großkopf 
wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> >
> > Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not
> > DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and
> > package managers like Synaptic.
>
> I have never installed LibreOffice on a Windows-system. You could choose
> the packages under OpenSUSE, so why shouldn't you be able to install the
> packages you wish under *.deb-based Linux-systems? Our main-problem with
> Base and Ubuntu is: Ubuntu doesn't install Base and doesn't install the
> report-builder for default. So it seems to be able to install separate
> parts of LO.
>
> I could only say for the packages of LO directly, not for the packages
> of Ubuntu: You could choose, for example, only Writer - Calc, Impress,
> Base and so on aren't installed then.
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Tim,
> 
> Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not
> DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and
> package managers like Synaptic.

I have never installed LibreOffice on a Windows-system. You could choose
the packages under OpenSUSE, so why shouldn't you be able to install the
packages you wish under *.deb-based Linux-systems? Our main-problem with
Base and Ubuntu is: Ubuntu doesn't install Base and doesn't install the
report-builder for default. So it seems to be able to install separate
parts of LO.

I could only say for the packages of LO directly, not for the packages
of Ubuntu: You could choose, for example, only Writer - Calc, Impress,
Base and so on aren't installed then.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[M Henri Day]

2018-02-24 17:03 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :

> On 02/24/2018 05:19 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
>
>> On 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a wrote:
>>
>> since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.
>>>
>> Everyone can use Linux, not only developers. I have a degree in
>> humanities and have never written a single line of code, but I am a very
>> happy Linux user and will never switch back to macOS or Windows. Windows
>> XP has been deprecated by Microsoft in 2014, so the operating system is
>> not maintained and is not secure. You should definitely try something
>> different.
>>
>> Here is a reply for a few posts.
>
> Italo
>
> I use to program main frame computers and my first PC was a PC-XT generic
> system with dual floppies.  In the past 20+ years, I did do some small
> stuff with various languages, but went with C/C++ maybe 10 years ago, but I
> am not really a PC programmer.
>
> I learned about Linux, RedHat and others, in a class for a Network
> Technology degree.  During the Vista era, I needed to do some audio/video
> work and the Windows packages were more than 4 times my rent. I then bought
> a "low cost" desktop for a Linux box.  I loved all of the free stuff.  Then
> with the knowledge that half my processing power went to anti virus and
> other security packages, I started to use Ubuntu 9.10 on a newly bought
> desktop.  That one now has 6.25TB of storage space. Two of my laptops have
> Ubuntu MATE and Windows 10 installed, and the newest runs only Ubuntu MATE.
>
> Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not
> DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and
> package managers like Synaptic.
> Henri I did not look to see Base, since I did not use it. Yes, the Math,
> Draw, and Base, seems not to be installed by default. Since the repository
> usually have an older versions of LO. It looked like Ubuntu MATE had LO
> 5.1.x as their included version. After I updated the old computer, I
> installed 5.4.6. I have 6.0.1 on the laptop I am typing this. - - - - -
> Thanks to all your comments. This thread was started when I was given a
> really old HP Pavilion alll8x desktop. It was a 64 bit CPU running Windows
> XP [32 bit] and only 512MB RAM and 160 GB drive. I found two 512MB memory
> modules/sticks and with them I have about 800MB of RAM after the "shared
> video memory". I may install a second IDE/PATA drive with a 80GB on. I
> really did not want to spend money on this old base model desktop. Since I
> really did not want to install XP on it, then use a Win7 upgrade disk to
> get a more modern Windows OS. Since MATE desktop environment was stated to
> be a good option for the old Win XP users, I installed Ubuntu Mate on it.
> Also, even if I installed Win7, half of the processor power would be used
> for the needed security packages. I have been adding various packages to
> the system; LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Chrome [for those who want
> it], GIMP, VLC, Education software packages, Sound Converter, XPad, font
> manager, and other packages that might be useful. I did remove a lot of
> fonts like the massive collection of Thai fonts. Over half of the fonts
> installed seemed to be Thai fonts. Also, from a different post, I added K3b
> CD/DVD burner - that I use all the time. That required some KDE runtime
> package. There was a comment about using Kubuntu on the old desktop. I
> wanted the system be setup so all the user would need to do is install the
> printer they may have. Or use Ubuntu Software Center, and the newer
> software center installed with Ubuntu MATE 16.04, to add some other
> packages they might want. To be honest, the system is set up to not need a
> password to load, but has a root password that is the model version till
> the user changes it.
>

​Thanks, Tim, for your reply ! As I said, I am surprised to hear that the
default installation from the Ubuntu repository didn't include LO Math and
Base (and even more surprised to hear that even Draw was omitted), as when
I install Linux Mint on a new computer, all those LO packages are
automatically included. It would seem then that the LO that is downloaded
from the LM respository is not identical with that which is downloaded
fromteh Ubuntu repository, which I find odd

I appreciate your comment on what running, e g, Win7 would require on your
old computer ; this is one of the reasons, aside from greater general
reliability and fewer hassles that I advise seniors with older computers
they wish to continue to use to install Mint. But I think you were smart to
install those two 512Mb RAM sticks ; that should have made a significant
difference in how you experience the new/old box

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

On 02/24/2018 05:19 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a wrote:


since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.

Everyone can use Linux, not only developers. I have a degree in
humanities and have never written a single line of code, but I am a very
happy Linux user and will never switch back to macOS or Windows. Windows
XP has been deprecated by Microsoft in 2014, so the operating system is
not maintained and is not secure. You should definitely try something
different.


Here is a reply for a few posts.

Italo

I use to program main frame computers and my first PC was a PC-XT 
generic system with dual floppies.  In the past 20+ years, I did do some 
small stuff with various languages, but went with C/C++ maybe 10 years 
ago, but I am not really a PC programmer.


I learned about Linux, RedHat and others, in a class for a Network 
Technology degree.  During the Vista era, I needed to do some 
audio/video work and the Windows packages were more than 4 times my 
rent. I then bought a "low cost" desktop for a Linux box.  I loved all 
of the free stuff.  Then with the knowledge that half my processing 
power went to anti virus and other security packages, I started to use 
Ubuntu 9.10 on a newly bought desktop.  That one now has 6.25TB of 
storage space. Two of my laptops have Ubuntu MATE and Windows 10 
installed, and the newest runs only Ubuntu MATE.


Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not 
DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and 
package managers like Synaptic.
Henri I did not look to see Base, since I did not use it. Yes, the Math, 
Draw, and Base, seems not to be installed by default. Since the 
repository usually have an older versions of LO. It looked like Ubuntu 
MATE had LO 5.1.x as their included version. After I updated the old 
computer, I installed 5.4.6. I have 6.0.1 on the laptop I am typing 
this. - - - - - Thanks to all your comments. This thread was started 
when I was given a really old HP Pavilion alll8x desktop. It was a 64 
bit CPU running Windows XP [32 bit] and only 512MB RAM and 160 GB drive. 
I found two 512MB memory modules/sticks and with them I have about 800MB 
of RAM after the "shared video memory". I may install a second IDE/PATA 
drive with a 80GB on. I really did not want to spend money on this old 
base model desktop. Since I really did not want to install XP on it, 
then use a Win7 upgrade disk to get a more modern Windows OS. Since MATE 
desktop environment was stated to be a good option for the old Win XP 
users, I installed Ubuntu Mate on it. Also, even if I installed Win7, 
half of the processor power would be used for the needed security 
packages. I have been adding various packages to the system; 
LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Chrome [for those who want it], GIMP, 
VLC, Education software packages, Sound Converter, XPad, font manager, 
and other packages that might be useful. I did remove a lot of fonts 
like the massive collection of Thai fonts. Over half of the fonts 
installed seemed to be Thai fonts. Also, from a different post, I added 
K3b CD/DVD burner - that I use all the time. That required some KDE 
runtime package. There was a comment about using Kubuntu on the old 
desktop. I wanted the system be setup so all the user would need to do 
is install the printer they may have. Or use Ubuntu Software Center, and 
the newer software center installed with Ubuntu MATE 16.04, to add some 
other packages they might want. To be honest, the system is set up to 
not need a password to load, but has a root password that is the model 
version till the user changes it.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry, i don't know what PYOO is so i have redirected this question back to
the LO mailing list - even though it is really a question for Calligra
forums/mailing-lists.

I've only used their spreadsheets for very straight-forwards sums, to add
columns of figures.

Is PYOO something that can be tested by some fairly trivial example?
Apols and regards from
a Tom :)





On 24 February 2018 at 04:17, fudmier  wrote:

> very interesting .. will PYOO work on its spread sheets as well.   ?
>
>
>
>
> On 2018-02-23 02:40 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
>> faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
>> flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
>> Regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
>>> When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
>>> it down so much that it became unusable.
>>> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>
 Hi :)
 Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

 Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
 Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
 Xubuntu.
 There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
 get the
 most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
 usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
 discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
 so light
 and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
 KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

 Regards from
 a Tom :)




 On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
 wrote:

 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>
> I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
>> give
>>
> away.
>
>> It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
>> drive.  It was an
>> original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
>> it needs
>> ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
>> better to
>> just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>>
>> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
>> stated
>> 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
>> "module
>> missing".
>>
>> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
>> install?
>> With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
>> versions. As I
>> type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
>> cycle.  So,
>>
> it
>
>> is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
>> repository.
>>
>> To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
>> a free
>> giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
>> 15 inch
>> monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
>> to buy
>>
> any
>
>> hardware for it.
>>
>> So, what is the newest version I can install without and
>> problems?.
>>
>> Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
> 16.04 on
> this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
> LO - why
> not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
> itself via
> the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
> this would
> be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
> don't wish
> to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
> DDR-2
> sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
> next to
> nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
> experience
> the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
> listed as 256
> MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
>
> Henri
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[M Henri Day]

2018-02-24 12:23 GMT+01:00 Robert Großkopf :

> Hi Henri,
> >
> > Surprised to hear that the Ubuntu respositories don't provide a complete
> LO
> > package - I install via the PPA on my Linux Mint machine, which is an
> > Ubuntu fork, and get everything, including Math and Base. What gives ?...
>
> Every Linux-distribution does allow to install only parts of LO. There
> are different packages for Writer, Clac, Base ... If you choose only the
> Writer-packages only the packages of LO will be installed, which are
> necessary for Writer. By default in most systems the whole LO-packages
> will be installed.
>
> But: It doesn't make any difference for an old system. Writer will run
> the same speed - if Base, Calc, Draw and whatever will be installed or
> not. So if you haven't enough free disk space it will be a good idea to
> choose only the parts of LO you need.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
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​Thanks, Robert, for your reply ! I'm aware that one can choose not to
install certain LO packages. What surprised me in Tim's post was rather
that - as I interpreted him - the packages for Math and Base were not
automatically downloaded and installed, without any intervention on his
part. But perhaps I misunderstood

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Henri,
> 
> Surprised to hear that the Ubuntu respositories don't provide a complete LO
> package - I install via the PPA on my Linux Mint machine, which is an
> Ubuntu fork, and get everything, including Math and Base. What gives ?...

Every Linux-distribution does allow to install only parts of LO. There
are different packages for Writer, Clac, Base ... If you choose only the
Writer-packages only the packages of LO will be installed, which are
necessary for Writer. By default in most systems the whole LO-packages
will be installed.

But: It doesn't make any difference for an old system. Writer will run
the same speed - if Base, Calc, Draw and whatever will be installed or
not. So if you haven't enough free disk space it will be a good idea to
choose only the parts of LO you need.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[M Henri Day]

2018-02-24 11:19 GMT+01:00 Italo Vignoli :

> On 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a wrote:
>
> > since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.
>
> Everyone can use Linux, not only developers. I have a degree in
> humanities and have never written a single line of code, but I am a very
> happy Linux user and will never switch back to macOS or Windows. Windows
> XP has been deprecated by Microsoft in 2014, so the operating system is
> not maintained and is not secure. You should definitely try something
> different.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Italo Vignoli]

On 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a wrote:

> since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.

Everyone can use Linux, not only developers. I have a degree in
humanities and have never written a single line of code, but I am a very
happy Linux user and will never switch back to macOS or Windows. Windows
XP has been deprecated by Microsoft in 2014, so the operating system is
not maintained and is not secure. You should definitely try something
different.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[M Henri Day]

2018-02-23 22:27 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :

>
> Hey Guys.  I found two 512MB memory sticks.  It now gives me about 800MB
> after the shared video memory.
>
> Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with LO?
> Found that out about an hour ago.
>

​Good on ya, Tim​ ; how does LO now work on that machine (and which version
have you installed) ?

Surprised to hear that the Ubuntu respositories don't provide a complete LO
package - I install via the PPA on my Linux Mint machine, which is an
Ubuntu fork, and get everything, including Math and Base. What gives ?...

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[leleu]

Since you use Ubuntu the unwanted parts can be uninstalled, or, better, 
unselected when preparing LO installation


Je la 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a skribis :

i wished that LO has one version for home users to not install
engineering programs like math, draw, base.
i only need writer and have to have one office suite which most
features are for engineers, businesses, companies etc.
since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.

On 2/24/18, Tim-L  wrote:

Hey Guys.  I found two 512MB memory sticks.  It now gives me about 800MB
after the shared video memory.

Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with
LO?  Found that out about an hour ago.


On 02/23/2018 03:40 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh 
wrote:


It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
it down so much that it became unusable.
On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
Xubuntu.
There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
get the
most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
so light
and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
wrote:


2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :


I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
give

away.

It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
drive.  It was an
original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
it needs
ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
better to
just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.

I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
stated
32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
"module
missing".

So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
install?
With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
versions. As I
type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
cycle.  So,

it

is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
repository.

To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
a free
giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
15 inch
monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
to buy

any

hardware for it.

So, what is the newest version I can install without and
problems?.


Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
16.04 on
this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
LO - why
not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
itself via
the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
this would
be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
don't wish
to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
DDR-2
sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
next to
nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
experience
the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
listed as 256
MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[toki]

On 02/24/2018 08:35 AM, zahra a wrote:

>to not install engineering programs like math, draw, base.

Sounds like you want OOoLight, which is no longer maintained.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[toki]

On 02/23/2018 09:27 PM, Tim-L wrote:

> Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with LO? 

The last time I installed LibO from the Ubuntu repository, it also left
out Base, the Help files, and something else (printing, perhaps.)

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[zahra a]

i wished that LO has one version for home users to not install
engineering programs like math, draw, base.
i only need writer and have to have one office suite which most
features are for engineers, businesses, companies etc.
since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.

On 2/24/18, Tim-L  wrote:
>
> Hey Guys.  I found two 512MB memory sticks.  It now gives me about 800MB
> after the shared video memory.
>
> Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with
> LO?  Found that out about an hour ago.
>
>
> On 02/23/2018 03:40 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
>> faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
>> flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
>> Regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
>>> When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
>>> it down so much that it became unusable.
>>> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

 Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
 Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
 Xubuntu.
 There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
 get the
 most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
 usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
 discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
 so light
 and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
 KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

 Regards from
 a Tom :)




 On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
 wrote:

> 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>
>> I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
>> give
> away.
>> It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
>> drive.  It was an
>> original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
>> it needs
>> ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
>> better to
>> just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>>
>> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
>> stated
>> 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
>> "module
>> missing".
>>
>> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
>> install?
>> With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
>> versions. As I
>> type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
>> cycle.  So,
> it
>> is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
>> repository.
>>
>> To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
>> a free
>> giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
>> 15 inch
>> monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
>> to buy
> any
>> hardware for it.
>>
>> So, what is the newest version I can install without and
>> problems?.
>>
> Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
> 16.04 on
> this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
> LO - why
> not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
> itself via
> the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
> this would
> be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
> don't wish
> to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
> DDR-2
> sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
> next to
> nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
> experience
> the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
> listed as 256
> MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
>
> Henri
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

Hey Guys.  I found two 512MB memory sticks.  It now gives me about 800MB 
after the shared video memory.


Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with 
LO?  Found that out about an hour ago.



On 02/23/2018 03:40 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh  wrote:


It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
it down so much that it became unusable.
On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
Xubuntu.
There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
get the
most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
so light
and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
wrote:


2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :


I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
give

away.

It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
drive.  It was an
original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
it needs
ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
better to
just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.

I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
stated
32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
"module
missing".

So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
install?
With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
versions. As I
type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
cycle.  So,

it

is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
repository.

To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
a free
giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
15 inch
monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
to buy

any

hardware for it.

So, what is the newest version I can install without and
problems?.


Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
16.04 on
this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
LO - why
not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
itself via
the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
this would
be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
don't wish
to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
DDR-2
sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
next to
nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
experience
the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
listed as 256
MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry, my keyboard is still suffering from when i crunched it's usb-plug.
It's still a beautiful keyboard but sometimes gets it's signals a bit
muddled.
Apols from
a Tom :)


On 23 February 2018 at 20:40, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
> faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
> flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
> Regards from
> a Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh 
> wrote:
>
>> It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
>> When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
>> it down so much that it became unusable.
>> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
>> > Hi :)
>> > Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?
>> >
>> > Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
>> > Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
>> > Xubuntu.
>> > There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
>> > get the
>> > most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
>> > usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
>> > discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
>> > so light
>> > and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
>> > KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.
>> >
>> > Regards from
>> > a Tom :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>> > >
>> > > > I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
>> > > > give
>> > >
>> > > away.
>> > > > It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
>> > > > drive.  It was an
>> > > > original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
>> > > > it needs
>> > > > ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
>> > > > better to
>> > > > just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>> > > >
>> > > > I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
>> > > > stated
>> > > > 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
>> > > > "module
>> > > > missing".
>> > > >
>> > > > So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
>> > > > install?
>> > > > With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
>> > > > versions. As I
>> > > > type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
>> > > > cycle.  So,
>> > >
>> > > it
>> > > > is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
>> > > > repository.
>> > > >
>> > > > To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
>> > > > a free
>> > > > giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
>> > > > 15 inch
>> > > > monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
>> > > > to buy
>> > >
>> > > any
>> > > > hardware for it.
>> > > >
>> > > > So, what is the newest version I can install without and
>> > > > problems?.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
>> > > 16.04 on
>> > > this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
>> > > LO - why
>> > > not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
>> > > itself via
>> > > the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
>> > > this would
>> > > be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
>> > > don't wish
>> > > to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
>> > > DDR-2
>> > > sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
>> > > next to
>> > > nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
>> > > experience
>> > > the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
>> > > listed as 256
>> > > MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
>> > >
>> > > Henri
>> > >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh  wrote:

> It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
> When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
> it down so much that it became unusable.
> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?
> >
> > Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
> > Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
> > Xubuntu.
> > There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
> > get the
> > most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
> > usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
> > discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
> > so light
> > and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
> > KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.
> >
> > Regards from
> > a Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
> > >
> > > > I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
> > > > give
> > >
> > > away.
> > > > It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
> > > > drive.  It was an
> > > > original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
> > > > it needs
> > > > ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
> > > > better to
> > > > just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
> > > >
> > > > I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
> > > > stated
> > > > 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
> > > > "module
> > > > missing".
> > > >
> > > > So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
> > > > install?
> > > > With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
> > > > versions. As I
> > > > type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
> > > > cycle.  So,
> > >
> > > it
> > > > is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
> > > > repository.
> > > >
> > > > To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
> > > > a free
> > > > giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
> > > > 15 inch
> > > > monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
> > > > to buy
> > >
> > > any
> > > > hardware for it.
> > > >
> > > > So, what is the newest version I can install without and
> > > > problems?.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
> > > 16.04 on
> > > this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
> > > LO - why
> > > not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
> > > itself via
> > > the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
> > > this would
> > > be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
> > > don't wish
> > > to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
> > > DDR-2
> > > sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
> > > next to
> > > nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
> > > experience
> > > the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
> > > listed as 256
> > > MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
> > >
> > > Henri
> > >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[David Burleigh]

It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
it down so much that it became unusable. 
On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?
> 
> Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
> Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
> Xubuntu.
> There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
> get the
> most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
> usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
> discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
> so light
> and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
> KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.
> 
> Regards from
> a Tom :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
> wrote:
> 
> > 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
> > 
> > > I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
> > > give
> > 
> > away.
> > > It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
> > > drive.  It was an
> > > original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
> > > it needs
> > > ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
> > > better to
> > > just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
> > > 
> > > I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
> > > stated
> > > 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
> > > "module
> > > missing".
> > > 
> > > So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
> > > install?
> > > With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
> > > versions. As I
> > > type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
> > > cycle.  So,
> > 
> > it
> > > is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
> > > repository.
> > > 
> > > To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
> > > a free
> > > giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
> > > 15 inch
> > > monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
> > > to buy
> > 
> > any
> > > hardware for it.
> > > 
> > > So, what is the newest version I can install without and
> > > problems?.
> > > 
> > 
> > Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
> > 16.04 on
> > this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
> > LO - why
> > not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
> > itself via
> > the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
> > this would
> > be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
> > don't wish
> > to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
> > DDR-2
> > sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
> > next to
> > nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
> > experience
> > the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
> > listed as 256
> > MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
> > 
> > Henri
> > 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Again, good points.  It is much easier to support people using a system
that you use yourself.  I gave up on using Kubuntu when i no longer had to
support anyone using it.  It is interesting and has tons of nice features
but i just prefer stock Ubuntu for my main use.  If i had to support low
spec machines again i would prolly give Kubuntu a go.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 23 February 2018 at 17:26, Tim-L  wrote:

> On 02/23/2018 09:43 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
>
> 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>
>>
>> I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to give away.
>>
>> It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It was an
>> original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since it needs
>> ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was better to
>> just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>>
>> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs stated
>> 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630 "module
>> missing".
>>
>> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would install?
>> With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest versions. As I
>> type this, the old system is now in the "software updating" cycle.  So, it
>> is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's repository.
>>
>> To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a free
>> giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square" 15 inch
>> monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want to buy any
>> hardware for it.
>>
>> So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.
>>
>
> ​Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE 16.04
> on this system, you should be able to install and run any version of LO -
> why not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated itself
> via the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond this
> would be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
> don't wish to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some
> used DDR-2 sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
> next to nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
> experience the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
> listed as 256 MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
>
> Henri
>
>
> Hey Henri. . . . .
>
> First - I would have to buy more ram.  I may find some in a box
> somewhere.  I do not want to put money into this free giveaway desktop.
> Since HP no longer have spec info for this old XP desktop, I do not know if
> the two 256MB memory sticks is the largest or could it take two 512MB
> instead.
>
> Second - Ubuntu MATE stated the x86 version would take the least amount of
> ram, but since it gave me fatal errors, I tried x64 version.  I run this on
> laptops, like the one I am typing from.
>
> Tom Davis
> thought this desktop could use Kubuntu.  I have not tried KDE for a long
> time.  I read a lot of articles that stated that MATE was the better option
> to take an old XP desktop and add Linux distro that would be the "easiest"
> to move to for those who used XP. I likes the "gnome" version used
> originally for Ubuntu version 9 thru 12. After that I changed to the MATE
> desktop environment. Since I use Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS, and will go to
> 18.04LTS this year, if the person who gets the old system needs help, I can
> help them.
>
> zahra a
> mentioned using XP on the system.  I do have XP and a Win7 upgrade DVDs.
> For XP, I do not want to reinstall XP since there are no security updates
> anymore.  I really want the system not to have to use half the processor
> usage for security software.  As for Win7, well there are still some
> security updated for a newly installed Win7 systems.  Also, the processor
> issue is the same with Win7. This security issue is one of the biggest
> reasons for running Linux.  I knew that Ubuntu 12 could run well, but I was
> hoping to get 16.04LTS to install.
>
> Third - The Ubuntu MATE install updated the 64-bit LO 5.1.6.2 from the
> repository. I have one system running 5.4.4 and this one is running
> 6.0.0.3, but will go to 6.0.1.x soon.  I was thinking about running 5.4.5.x
> on the 512MB system.  I wanted the more "conservative user" version of LO
> over the "technology enthusiast, early adopter or power user" version for
> this system.
>
> To be honest, this old system will be used for a few things - browser,
> email, document creation, music and media player. I may add a few
> "education" packages to that system, since it may go to a kid as well as an
> adult.  As I stated, it will be free.  If you need a new/newer system, you
> can get a Win10 laptop for under $250.
>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

On 02/23/2018 09:43 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L >:



I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
give away.

It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It
was an original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware.
Since it needs ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS
"damaged", It was better to just make it a Linux system - for
security reasons.

I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
stated 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a
SIS630 "module missing".

So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
install?  With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the
newest versions. As I type this, the old system is now in the
"software updating" cycle.  So, it is installing the newest LO
that is in Ubuntu 16.04's repository.

To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a
free giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP
"square" 15 inch monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it
and do not want to buy any hardware for it.

So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.


​Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE 
16.04 on this system, you should be able to install and run any 
version of LO - why not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO 
just updated itself via the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd 
recommend beyond this would be installing a bit more RAM. Even if 
you've made clear that you don't wish to buy any hardware for it, you 
should be able to obtain some used DDR-2 sticks, which the motherboard 
is almost certain to support, for next to nothing, which would make a 
great deal of difference in how you experience the computer (the 
system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are listed as 256 MB RAM, with 
512 MB recommended)


Henri


Hey Henri. . . . .

First - I would have to buy more ram.  I may find some in a box 
somewhere.  I do not want to put money into this free giveaway desktop. 
Since HP no longer have spec info for this old XP desktop, I do not know 
if the two 256MB memory sticks is the largest or could it take two 512MB 
instead.


Second - Ubuntu MATE stated the x86 version would take the least amount 
of ram, but since it gave me fatal errors, I tried x64 version.  I run 
this on laptops, like the one I am typing from.


Tom Davis
thought this desktop could use Kubuntu.  I have not tried KDE for a long 
time.  I read a lot of articles that stated that MATE was the better 
option to take an old XP desktop and add Linux distro that would be the 
"easiest" to move to for those who used XP. I likes the "gnome" version 
used originally for Ubuntu version 9 thru 12. After that I changed to 
the MATE desktop environment. Since I use Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS, and 
will go to 18.04LTS this year, if the person who gets the old system 
needs help, I can help them.


zahra a
mentioned using XP on the system.  I do have XP and a Win7 upgrade 
DVDs.  For XP, I do not want to reinstall XP since there are no security 
updates anymore.  I really want the system not to have to use half the 
processor usage for security software.  As for Win7, well there are 
still some security updated for a newly installed Win7 systems.  Also, 
the processor issue is the same with Win7. This security issue is one of 
the biggest reasons for running Linux.  I knew that Ubuntu 12 could run 
well, but I was hoping to get 16.04LTS to install.


Third - The Ubuntu MATE install updated the 64-bit LO 5.1.6.2 from the 
repository. I have one system running 5.4.4 and this one is running 
6.0.0.3, but will go to 6.0.1.x soon.  I was thinking about running 
5.4.5.x on the 512MB system.  I wanted the more "conservative user" 
version of LO over the "technology enthusiast, early adopter or power 
user" version for this system.


To be honest, this old system will be used for a few things - browser, 
email, document creation, music and media player. I may add a few 
"education" packages to that system, since it may go to a kid as well as 
an adult.  As I stated, it will be free.  If you need a new/newer 
system, you can get a Win10 laptop for under $250.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and Xubuntu.
There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really get the
most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that so light
and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day  wrote:

> 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>
> >
> > I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to give
> away.
> >
> > It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It was an
> > original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since it needs
> > ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was better to
> > just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
> >
> > I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs stated
> > 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630 "module
> > missing".
> >
> > So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would install?
> > With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest versions. As I
> > type this, the old system is now in the "software updating" cycle.  So,
> it
> > is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's repository.
> >
> > To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a free
> > giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square" 15 inch
> > monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want to buy
> any
> > hardware for it.
> >
> > So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.
> >
>
> ​Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE 16.04 on
> this system, you should be able to install and run any version of LO - why
> not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated itself via
> the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond this would
> be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you don't wish
> to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used DDR-2
> sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for next to
> nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you experience
> the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are listed as 256
> MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
>
> Henri
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[M Henri Day]

2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :

>
> I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to give away.
>
> It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It was an
> original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since it needs
> ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was better to
> just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>
> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs stated
> 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630 "module
> missing".
>
> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would install?
> With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest versions. As I
> type this, the old system is now in the "software updating" cycle.  So, it
> is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's repository.
>
> To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a free
> giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square" 15 inch
> monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want to buy any
> hardware for it.
>
> So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.
>

​Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE 16.04 on
this system, you should be able to install and run any version of LO - why
not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated itself via
the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond this would
be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you don't wish
to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used DDR-2
sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for next to
nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you experience
the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are listed as 256
MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[zahra a]

hello.
linux support i think did not change in libreoffice newer versions.
but libreoffice 5.4 on windows have some issues and bugs on windows xp
as i studied bug reports and other websites.
not sure about 5.4.4 that works on xp or not, but 5.4.3 works properly.
by the way, i have windows xp and did test in 5.4 branch only 5.4.0
and in 5.3 branch, tested till the 5.3.6 and did not download 5.3.7
but i am sure that it be supported well on xp.
even if your xp is 64 bit, you should use 32bit version of libreoffice.
because libreoffice since 5.0, supports both x86 and x64, but x64
version, just work on windows vista and later!
hope that my explanations helps you and God bless all!

On 2/23/18, Tim-L  wrote:
>
> I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to give away.
>
> It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It was an
> original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since it
> needs ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
> better to just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>
> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs stated
> 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630 "module
> missing".
>
> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
> install?  With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
> versions. As I type this, the old system is now in the "software
> updating" cycle.  So, it is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu
> 16.04's repository.
>
> To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a free
> giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square" 15 inch
> monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want to buy
> any hardware for it.
>
> So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.
>
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to give away.

It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It was an 
original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since it 
needs ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was 
better to just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.


I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs stated 
32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630 "module 
missing".


So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would 
install?  With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest 
versions. As I type this, the old system is now in the "software 
updating" cycle.  So, it is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 
16.04's repository.


To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a free 
giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square" 15 inch 
monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want to buy 
any hardware for it.


So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Errol Goetsch]

On that note then, I'd like to record that as an ex-Excel guru and 
Office trainer, I am permanently delighted by the quality and stunned by 
the price of LibreOffice.
There may be no such thing as a free lunch in Economics, but in the IT 
world, LO (and of course oOo) are the closest things to a free cuisine.


Thank you to the developers who have given so much to so many for so little.
Errol Goetsch

On 07/08/2014 15:42, Tom Davies wrote:

Last but not least,
positive feedback is rare compared to negative - here, in FOSS or in any
customer service. I'd be shocked it we experienced the opposite:-)

Best,

Charles.



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Thank You, Developers! (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?)

[Jim Seymour]

On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:10:50 +0200
Errol Goetsch er...@xe4.org wrote:

[snip]
 
 Thank you to the developers who have given so much to so many for
 so little.
[snip]

Hear, hear!

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Re: Thank You, Developers! (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?)

[J. Van Brimmer]

+1
 On Aug 10, 2014 7:19 AM, Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote:

 On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:10:50 +0200
 Errol Goetsch er...@xe4.org wrote:

 [snip]
 
  Thank you to the developers who have given so much to so many for
  so little.
 [snip]

 Hear, hear!

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Re: Thank You, Developers! (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
Also a big thanks to everyone else who helps or has helped, especially
those who seldom get any recognition.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 10 August 2014 15:32, J. Van Brimmer jerry...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1
  On Aug 10, 2014 7:19 AM, Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com wrote:

  On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:10:50 +0200
  Errol Goetsch er...@xe4.org wrote:
 
  [snip]
  
   Thank you to the developers who have given so much to so many for
   so little.
  [snip]
 
  Hear, hear!
 
  Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[jonathon]

On 8/8/2014 11:15 AM, Pikov Andropov wrote:

 MSO 2013 is incompatible with itself


 I think he meant that MSO 2013 isn't fully compatible with MSO2010 o


No.
I meant that MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and absolutely
incompatible with MSO 2013.
Likewise, MSO 2010 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible
with MSO 2010.
Likewise, MSO 2007 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible
with MSO 2007.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 08/08/2014 12:47 PM, Pikov Andropov wrote:

Joel Madero wrote on 8/8/2014 12:39 PM:

I really just got a little laugh (not following the thread generally) but:

 Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on 8/8/2014 9:59 AM:
 
 
  Everything really depends on you neighbors' needs, and wants.  You need
  to discuss with them what they want our of the software packages you
  install for them.

 Not my neighbors! They want to be able to open DOC files, write letters,
 maybe do a simple spreadsheet. So compatibility with MSO files is
 super-important.

 Software should be transparent.


Having software should be transparent next to be able to open DOC
files (doc of course being closed source proprietary software for years
controlled by a company who is anything but transparent) reads a bit
comical :)

What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary
program?

The operator of LO would like to be able to just click on that file's
icon or name have LO open it, without having to know anything else about
LO or Microsoft.

That's what I meant by transparent.



If you just want to use the .doc, .xlt, etc., file formats, LibreOfice 
will do fine.  For MS Office, the formats ending with x is a problem 
even for their older version.  MSO 2007 might have trouble reading DOCX 
files created from the newer versions, even though they are all called a 
DOCX file.  MSO keeps changing things inside the x file formats, 
especially the latest version.


That is why I always tell the MS Office users I know to save the files 
in the formats without the x on the end.  I have to say it simply like 
that since most would mot know things like OOXML or other term I could use.


Still get some x files emailed to me and most work fine for me and 
LibreOffice.  It seems that every major version release of LibreOffice 
seems to get these x documents to read better and better - for those 
few that do not work well.  I have a Windows laptop that has some Word 
reader packages from MS and the problem .docx files are a problem with 
the latest Word reader I use.  SO it may not be LibreOffice but the 
version of MS Office that sends me these documents.


So, if your neighbors do not have MSO installed, have them try 
LibreOffice.  For the Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Red Hat systems, well 
there is no other options for them.  They cannot get a MS Office version 
for Linux.  Also, the cost of getting a package for each and every 
system that might be able to run MS Office could be too expensive for 
you neighbors' pockets.  Even one copy is too much for mine.  Plus, I 
will not lease any software, like MS wants you. If you are late on your 
payments, then you lose access to your documents - plus they could 
double the lease pricing and you would have to pay it or also lose your 
access.  You have to buy the package of MSO to be safe - well that is my 
opinion and should not be commented on in this thread since it was 
covered well months ago in its own thread.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

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On 08/08/2014 12:54 PM, Sophie wrote:

Hi Pikov,
Le 08/08/2014 18:47, Pikov Andropov a écrit :

Joel Madero wrote on 8/8/2014 12:39 PM:

I really just got a little laugh (not following the thread generally) but:

 Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on 8/8/2014 9:59 AM:
 
 
  Everything really depends on you neighbors' needs, and wants.  You need
  to discuss with them what they want our of the software packages you
  install for them.

 Not my neighbors! They want to be able to open DOC files, write letters,
 maybe do a simple spreadsheet. So compatibility with MSO files is
 super-important.

 Software should be transparent.


Having software should be transparent next to be able to open DOC
files (doc of course being closed source proprietary software for years
controlled by a company who is anything but transparent) reads a bit
comical :)

What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary
program?

you're right, this is not the program that is important but the file
format. Giving the ability to the users to retrieve the data he owns
over years is the real important thing.

The operator of LO would like to be able to just click on that file's
icon or name have LO open it, without having to know anything else about
LO or Microsoft.

The day Microsoft will abandoned the binary file format it produces,
this operator will regret to not use LibreOffice and its default ODF
file format. This is not just like clicking on a button, this is data
you produced and where you should remain the only proprietary, not the
software that produced it.

Kind regards
Sophie




Thanks Sophie.

I think that is one reason why ODF has become the ISO for International 
office file transfer, or something like that.  Cannot seem to find the 
correct wording.  We needed a non proprietor set of file formats that 
can be used by people, businesses, governments, and large organizations, 
to send back and forth to each other and be usable by everyone.  MS just 
did not want that, so it seemed to me. More and more governments and 
larger National and International organizations have started to 
announce that they are switching to ODF and some are also saying they 
are switching to LibreOffice to do this.  But, the key is the switch 
over to ODF.  If the office suite implements ODF properly, then they 
should be able to read - and work with - any ODF file that was sent to 
them by any other - different - office suite package that these users 
are not using on their local systems.


For me, and my opinions - I thing MS does not want this type of read 
from any source idea, even their own older office suites. They want to 
make money selling their newest office suite to users, so they make it 
so you need to upgrade your older version to be compatible with their 
newer version's OOXML file formats.  That is why some of the people now 
send out .doc files - they have several versions of MSO in their company 
and cannot afford to buy every user a new version when they add an new 
system and have to buy the newest version of MSO for it.  I have dealt 
with one local government that has MSO 2003, 2007, 2010, and now 2013.  
They cannot afford to pay out the money to upgrade all of their systems 
with the newest version, every time they replace a system - or add one.  
I still am trying to get them to look into LibreOffice as a cost saving 
solution.  Many of the tech support people, from many organization 
[like the local government] know and like LibreOffice, but the upper 
management seems stuck on using MSO and will not change the way they 
always do things.  Well, there is a movement to go to ODF by my 
State's government, so when that happens, the local governments may go 
that way also.  LibreOffice - in my opinion - is the best option for 
supporting ODF in an office suite market.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Jim Seymour]

At the risk of adding to the political noise...

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 09:46:12 -0400
Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

[snip]
 For MS Office, the formats ending with
 x is a problem even for their older version.  MSO 2007 might have
 trouble reading DOCX files created from the newer versions, even
 though they are all called a DOCX file.  MSO keeps changing things
 inside the x file formats, especially the latest version.
 
[snip]
 
 Still get some x files emailed to me and most work fine for me
 and LibreOffice.  It seems that every major version release of
 LibreOffice seems to get these x documents to read better and
 better - for those few that do not work well.  I have a Windows
 laptop that has some Word reader packages from MS and the
 problem .docx files are a problem with the latest Word reader I
 use.  SO it may not be LibreOffice but the version of MS Office
 that sends me these documents.
[snip]

Yup.  In fact: I've seen where people send x files to my coworkers,
coworker sends HelpDesk complaint I can't read this file, I have
them try LibréOffice, and LibréOffice renders it just fine.  Hasn't
happened often, but it has happened.

It's important for individuals and businesses to understand this:
For-profit companies make money off selling you stuff (duh).  They
can't sell you a New Thing if you're happy with the Old Thing.  How
might demand for the New Thing be... enhanced?  Well, I suppose one
way *might* be that what the New Thing creates is subtly incompatible
with the Old Thing.

Not that I'd accuse anybody of *purposely* doing such a
thing--unless it was, you know, necessary or unavoidable ;)

At work we're avoiding that problem, to the extent possible, by
standardizing on MS-Win7 and MSO 2007.  (The former because it's
not too different from MS-WinXP, the latter because it's the
latest that most installs already had.)  It's getting increasingly
difficult to find *legitimate* copies of retail versions of these
packages, but we expect to have the entire organization's upgrade
cycle completed before the supply dries up entirely.

N.B.: For many installs we first try installing only LibréOffice, and
only buy  install MSO if LO absolutely will not work for the user.

As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by
replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint.  (MS-Win8 was the
last straw, even for her.)

Mind you: I *used* to actually recommend Microsoft solutions for many
users (with caveats). Wouldn't use it, myself, because it just did not
work for me--for the way I use computers.  (Nor did Apple
solutions.)  I feel I can no longer, in good conscience, do so--for a
variety of reasons, not the least of which is the never-ending
incompatibility/upgrade issue, and its associated costs--which are
not insignificant.

Regards,
Jim
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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM:
 At the risk of adding to the political noise...

 As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by
 replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint.  (MS-Win8 was the
 last straw, even for her.)

What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Jim Seymour]

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:01:27 -0400
Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM:
  At the risk of adding to the political noise...
 
  As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by
  replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint.  (MS-Win8 was
  the last straw, even for her.)
 
 What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer?
 

Have little-to-no need for PPT at home.

Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Tomáš Matýs]

I use impress.

regards,
Tomáš Matýs


2014-08-09 18:22 GMT+02:00 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com:

 On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:01:27 -0400
 Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:

  Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM:
   At the risk of adding to the political noise...
  
   As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by
   replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint.  (MS-Win8 was
   the last straw, even for her.)
 
  What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer?
 

 Have little-to-no need for PPT at home.

 Regards,
 Jim
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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

Is there a way to get Impress to start in slide-show mode when I click
on a PPT icon?

Thanks.

Tomáš Matýs wrote on 8/9/2014 12:57 PM:
 I use impress.
 
 regards,
 Tomáš Matýs
 
 
 2014-08-09 18:22 GMT+02:00 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com:
 
 On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:01:27 -0400
 Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:

  Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM:
   At the risk of adding to the political noise...
  
   As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by
   replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint.  (MS-Win8 was
   the last straw, even for her.)
 
  What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer?
 

 Have little-to-no need for PPT at home.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think it is
.Pps
that plays as a slide-show straight-away.  I think
.Ppt
normally opens in editable/design view.  I'm not sure if it's possible to
just rename the file-ending between the 2 or whether you have to use Save
As  I've got a feeling it's one of the rare ones where you can just
rename the file-ending.


Wrt 2013 being incompatible with 2013, MS themselves have a disclaimer
(during install) that if the same program is installed on Win7 and Win8 (or
any other 2 versions of Windows) then some of the documents produced in
each might not work in the other.  2010 had this warning and i'm guessing
2013 says much the same.

I'm fairly sure the default format in MS Office 2013 is not strict but is
just another transitional format.  Afaik none of the transitional formats
are registered ISO formats.  I don't think it's particularly easy to get
2013 to use strict by default but it is possible to set ODF as the
default!


There is not often a bad reaction from files produced by a different
version of MS Office.  Each different version from 2007 has a
compatibility mode which seems to recognise and correctly display most
files from the other versions.  However some re-flowing of text is
inevitable any time an editable format is used.  It's just that it can
happen and does happen annoyingly often, just not every time.

Of course anything produced in a newer version of any program might well
have problems being properly handled in an older version of the same
program.  So a file produced in 2010 might have features that 2007 can't
handle.

The shocker with MS Office is that files produced in older versions of MS
Office have problems in newer versions.  This while MS claims to aim for
backwards compatibility and that DocX will be readable far into the
future.  We aren't even much into the future yet and already MS Office is
having problems with it's own files!!


The Doc, Xls, Ppt files all used to have this problem too but now that MS
have stopped developing it so much and moved to developing their newer
formats it's finally these older formats that ARE good for sharing between
different programs.  However we don't know how long that will continue to
be the case, or how long MS Office will continue to allow their older
formats to be used in their newer versions of MS Office.  ODF seems better
(ie safer and more likely to be able to be opened) in the future.  So for
longer-term storage i tend to use ODF  but for collaborative working i
often use the older MS formats.


Italo's techno-babble was brilliant and i thought fairly easy to
understand.  It's good to have it laid out so clearly!
Regards from
Tom :)




On 9 August 2014 18:01, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there a way to get Impress to start in slide-show mode when I click
 on a PPT icon?

 Thanks.

 Tomáš Matýs wrote on 8/9/2014 12:57 PM:
  I use impress.
 
  regards,
  Tomáš Matýs
 
 
  2014-08-09 18:22 GMT+02:00 Jim Seymour jseym...@linxnet.com:
 
  On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 12:01:27 -0400
  Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Jim Seymour wrote on 8/9/2014 10:48 AM:
At the risk of adding to the political noise...
   
As for home: I solved the entire problem once-and-for-all by
replacing my wife's MS-Win install with Linux Mint.  (MS-Win8 was
the last straw, even for her.)
  
   What do you use in place of PowerPoint Viewer?
  
 
  Have little-to-no need for PPT at home.
 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

Tom Davies wrote on 8/9/2014 2:25 PM:
 Hi :) 
 I think it is
 .Pps
 that plays as a slide-show straight-away.  I think
 .Ppt
 normally opens in editable/design view.  I'm not sure if it's possible
 to just rename the file-ending between the 2 or whether you have to use
 Save As  I've got a feeling it's one of the rare ones where you
 can just rename the file-ending. 

I copied the ppt file to a pps of the same name and when I clicked on
it, Impress started in slideshow mode!! Thanks for the tip.

 
 Italo's techno-babble was brilliant and i thought fairly easy to
 understand.  It's good to have it laid out so clearly! 

I don't think you mean techno-babble, Tom. Technobabble refers to the
use of terms from mathematics, science, or engineering incorrectly, in
order to create a false sense of technical solidity around a field or
concept.

:-)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Paul]

Completely as an aside...


On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 17:49:03 -0400
Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tom Davies wrote on 8/9/2014 2:25 PM:
  Italo's techno-babble was brilliant and i thought fairly easy to
  understand.  It's good to have it laid out so clearly! 
 
 I don't think you mean techno-babble, Tom. Technobabble refers to
 the use of terms from mathematics, science, or engineering
 incorrectly, in order to create a false sense of technical solidity
 around a field or concept.

Technobabble does *not* have to be terms used incorrectly. Technobabble
is any use of technical terms that, because they are not really
understood, are just babble to the listener.

:)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Paul]

Not exclusively, but you are indeed correct, sir. A quick squizz at
Wikipedia shows that it's use to obfuscate or deceive is considered the
more common one, though my experience makes no such distinction.


On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 21:37:54 -0400
chainsawchihuahua chainsawchihua...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, just to chime in here on this bike shed moment, I am under
 the strong impression that technobabble does indeed refer
 exclusively to the incorrect usage of actual terms in order to give
 an appearance of technical proficiency. The difference between
 technobabble and what you're describing is that in the case of
 technobabble, there is no one who can validate the usage of the
 terms, if they're even real. In the case that you're describing,
 someone can validate what the person is saying, it's just that you in
 particular don't understand it; the person isn't making anything up.
 And just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is
 objectively any kind of babble. :)
 
 Thanks,
 Mike
 
 On 08/09/2014 05:58 PM, Paul wrote:
  Completely as an aside...
 
 
  On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 17:49:03 -0400
  Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Tom Davies wrote on 8/9/2014 2:25 PM:
  Italo's techno-babble was brilliant and i thought fairly easy to
  understand.  It's good to have it laid out so clearly!
 
  I don't think you mean techno-babble, Tom. Technobabble refers
  to the use of terms from mathematics, science, or engineering
  incorrectly, in order to create a false sense of technical solidity
  around a field or concept.
 
  Technobabble does *not* have to be terms used incorrectly.
  Technobabble is any use of technical terms that, because they are
  not really understood, are just babble to the listener.
 
  :)
 
 
 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Paul]

Italo makes a good point, perhaps the best thing to do is to explain
the situation to your neighbours and let them decide.

I'm not sure if that's an option; I know at least one couple I have
installed LO for that keep confusing LO and their mailreader,
firewall, firefox, etc... Trying to explain to them such differences
*might* work at the time, but they would invariably just get confused
about it later, and give me more hassles when something goes wrong. And
ultimately, they would probably just ask for my opinion anyway.

For them, they are a basic usage scenario, so they don't really need
anything more than what LO already has. However, almost any time
anything goes even slightly wrong they tend to start talking about how I
should uninstall it and put on MSO, so I definitely want the Still
branch for them, as anything to reduce the number of issues they have
makes my life a whole lot easier, even if it is just by one minor bug.

But your neighbours may be a little more savvy. This couple may be able
to use a computer, but they don't get how the pieces fit together. If
your neighbours understand just a little more, asking them what they
prefer may be a good option. YMMV.


Paul



On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 19:36:55 -0600
Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 07/08/14 14:14, Paul wrote:
 
  The big debate recently has been over exactly this issue. A lot of
  people on this list (myself included) have expressed the opinion
  that it is best in this sort of circumstance to go for Still, but
  Charles is among those that feel that it is best to go for Fresh.
 
 I have read most of the thread (I am on holiday in the US, and I do
 not read all emails I receive), so I might have missed something
 important.
 
 I think that either opinion is right, because it is based on each one
 needs and experiences. I am a user, without major technical skills,
 but I have always used the latest version without real problems (some
 crash but no more and no less than with other software, including
 proprietary ones).
 
 I have never lost any information, and although I am a heavy Impress
 user I have never lost any image in any file (even while switching
 from MacOS X to Linux and vice versa). I mention this, because it is
 a real problem for many users.
 
 This represents my experience, and is worth as much as my experience
 can be considered a good one or a bad one. I think that free software
 should teach users to be more self conscious about their skills, and
 decide which is the best version for their needs.
 
 I second Charles' opinion about a larger number of users choosing the
 latest release (fresh) over the older one (still). Of course, these
 are not scientific statistics, but individual perceptions. In some
 cases I have suggested the older release, and I am definitely
 suggesting the older release to enterprises.
 
  Ultimately it is a choice between Fresh, which has newer features
  but also a higher chance of bugs, and Still, which has fewer
  features but likely also fewer bugs.
 
 In some cases you need a feature and do not stumble into a bug because
 of your workflow, and Fresh is the ideal choice. In some cases, you do
 stumble into a bug because of your workflow and Still is the right
 choice.
 
 I think that it is a matter of explaining to new users that they have
 a choice between two options (which is something they never had with
 any other software). Some users will understand, some others will not.
 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

One has Windows XP.
 4.2.6

One has Windows 7 and one has Windows 8.
 4.2.6 for Win7, same for Win8.x
 but I never used Win8 before, only XP through Win7.
 there is only one Windows install for both 32-bit and 64-bit.

One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
There are 32-bit and 64-bit .deb installs
I have both 32-bit and 64-bit Ubuntu [13.xx and 14.04] and 
Linux Mint [16 and 17] systems.

Use Linux Mint 16 for main system.

Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.
Red Hat - 32-bit or 64-bit?  .rpm install
Mac - x86-64-bit, x86, or PPC?
  PPC - last version for it was 4.1.x[?]
  there are installs for Mac's 64-bit systems, but use x86 
for the language packs for both [if needed]


Remember to download the needed help packs and any language packs for 
the version of Linux [.deb and .rpm, 32 and 64 bit]


If they need an email client, browser, firewall, antivirus, etc., then 
try the following. . .

email client - Thunderbird, or another good free one
browser - Firefox and/or Chrome
security - for Windows, I use Comodo Internet Suite [free] that 
includes antivirus, firewall, and some other stuff


Everything really depends on you neighbors' needs, and wants.  You need 
to discuss with them what they want our of the software packages you 
install for them.


I switched from MS Office 2003 to OOo, then when LibreOffice came out I 
went to it and never looked back.  I have been using Thunderbird long 
before I stopped using Outlook Express [Win XP days].  I have been using 
Firefox almost that long.  Now I add Chrome [yes for both Windows and 
Linux] just to have some of its feature - like sharing the bookmarks, 
etc., with my tablet's Chrome browser - Desktop's Chrome imported the 
Firefox bookmarks and such - then Desktop's Chrome shares all of those 
things with the Nook tablet's Chrome browser install.




On 08/08/2014 09:24 AM, Paul wrote:

Italo makes a good point, perhaps the best thing to do is to explain
the situation to your neighbours and let them decide.

I'm not sure if that's an option; I know at least one couple I have
installed LO for that keep confusing LO and their mailreader,
firewall, firefox, etc... Trying to explain to them such differences
*might* work at the time, but they would invariably just get confused
about it later, and give me more hassles when something goes wrong. And
ultimately, they would probably just ask for my opinion anyway.

For them, they are a basic usage scenario, so they don't really need
anything more than what LO already has. However, almost any time
anything goes even slightly wrong they tend to start talking about how I
should uninstall it and put on MSO, so I definitely want the Still
branch for them, as anything to reduce the number of issues they have
makes my life a whole lot easier, even if it is just by one minor bug.

But your neighbours may be a little more savvy. This couple may be able
to use a computer, but they don't get how the pieces fit together. If
your neighbours understand just a little more, asking them what they
prefer may be a good option. YMMV.


Paul



On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 19:36:55 -0600
Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote:


On 07/08/14 14:14, Paul wrote:


The big debate recently has been over exactly this issue. A lot of
people on this list (myself included) have expressed the opinion
that it is best in this sort of circumstance to go for Still, but
Charles is among those that feel that it is best to go for Fresh.

I have read most of the thread (I am on holiday in the US, and I do
not read all emails I receive), so I might have missed something
important.

I think that either opinion is right, because it is based on each one
needs and experiences. I am a user, without major technical skills,
but I have always used the latest version without real problems (some
crash but no more and no less than with other software, including
proprietary ones).

I have never lost any information, and although I am a heavy Impress
user I have never lost any image in any file (even while switching
from MacOS X to Linux and vice versa). I mention this, because it is
a real problem for many users.

This represents my experience, and is worth as much as my experience
can be considered a good one or a bad one. I think that free software
should teach users to be more self conscious about their skills, and
decide which is the best version for their needs.

I second Charles' opinion about a larger number of users choosing the
latest release (fresh) over the older one (still). Of course, these
are not scientific statistics, but individual perceptions. In some
cases I have suggested the older release, and I am definitely
suggesting the older release to enterprises.


Ultimately it is a choice between Fresh, which has newer features
but also a higher chance of bugs, and Still, which has fewer
features but likely also fewer bugs.

In some cases 

Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

Paul wrote on 8/8/2014 9:24 AM:
 Italo makes a good point, perhaps the best thing to do is to explain
 the situation to your neighbours and let them decide.

My neighbors wouldn't know what I was talking about! :-) They treat
their computers like they treat their cars -- get, turn the key, put the
gear thingy in D, and go. As it should be.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Joel Madero]

I really just got a little laugh (not following the thread generally) but:

 Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on 8/8/2014 9:59 AM:
 
 
  Everything really depends on you neighbors' needs, and wants.  You need
  to discuss with them what they want our of the software packages you
  install for them.

 Not my neighbors! They want to be able to open DOC files, write letters,
 maybe do a simple spreadsheet. So compatibility with MSO files is
 super-important.

 Software should be transparent.


Having software should be transparent next to be able to open DOC files
(doc of course being closed source proprietary software for years
controlled by a company who is anything but transparent) reads a bit
comical :)

Again - not following the thread generally and purposely am avoiding
further comment. Just got a little kick out of this particular email :) Not
that I disagree that interoperability is super important - I'd say equally
important is convincing our neighbors that there are alternatives that are
indeed transparent, functional, and easy to use (odf of course).

Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

Joel Madero wrote on 8/8/2014 12:39 PM:
 I really just got a little laugh (not following the thread generally) but:
 
 Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on 8/8/2014 9:59 AM:
 
 
  Everything really depends on you neighbors' needs, and wants.  You need
  to discuss with them what they want our of the software packages you
  install for them.
 
 Not my neighbors! They want to be able to open DOC files, write letters,
 maybe do a simple spreadsheet. So compatibility with MSO files is
 super-important.
 
 Software should be transparent.
 
 
 Having software should be transparent next to be able to open DOC
 files (doc of course being closed source proprietary software for years
 controlled by a company who is anything but transparent) reads a bit
 comical :)

What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary
program?

The operator of LO would like to be able to just click on that file's
icon or name have LO open it, without having to know anything else about
LO or Microsoft.

That's what I meant by transparent.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Joel Madero]

 What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary
 program?

 The operator of LO would like to be able to just click on that file's
 icon or name have LO open it, without having to know anything else about
 LO or Microsoft.

 That's what I meant by transparent.

Sure - and we wish that Microsoft would stop moving the ball on us. You
know that docx actually encompasses 3 completely different protocols?
These having thousands of pages of documentation that make it INCREDIBLY
hard to implement interoperability. So - who do we blame for these
shinanigans? If we're saying users just want it to work - wellI have
very little response to that beyond asking users to educate themselves a
little, and hopefully blame the right parties for the lack of perfect
interoperability.


Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[jonathon]

On August 8, 2014 9:47:51 AM PDT, Pikov Andropov wrote:

What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary program?

The issue s whether or not the end user can, in theory at least, go in and fix 
whatever is causing the incompatibility with the documents

From my POV, MSO 2013 is too incompatible with MSO 2013, to be useful for 
anything more sophisticated than constructing a document that will never be 
read, much less printed out.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

jonathon wrote on 8/8/2014 1:49 PM:
 On August 8, 2014 9:47:51 AM PDT, Pikov Andropov wrote:
 
What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary 
program?
 
 The issue s whether or not the end user can, in theory at least, go in and 
 fix whatever is causing the incompatibility with the documents

I don't expect the user to fix anything. The person who sent the file
should be asked to resend it in a more commo  format. (Can the latest
MSO save as ODT files?)

 From my POV, MSO 2013 is too incompatible with MSO 2013, to be useful for 
 anything more sophisticated than constructing a document that will never be 
 read, much less printed out.

MSO 2013 is incompatible with itself

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Joel Madero]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:

 jonathon wrote on 8/8/2014 1:49 PM:
  On August 8, 2014 9:47:51 AM PDT, Pikov Andropov wrote:
 
 What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary
 program?
 
  The issue s whether or not the end user can, in theory at least, go in
 and fix whatever is causing the incompatibility with the documents

 I don't expect the user to fix anything. The person who sent the file
 should be asked to resend it in a more commo  format. (Can the latest
 MSO save as ODT files?)

  From my POV, MSO 2013 is too incompatible with MSO 2013, to be useful
 for anything more sophisticated than constructing a document that will
 never be read, much less printed out.

 MSO 2013 is incompatible with itself


I think he meant that MSO 2013 isn't fully compatible with MSO2010 or
MSO2007 despite all three using docx - because each version is different
and Microsoft just hides this to the average user.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Florian Reisinger]

Hi,

Commnts inline...

Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
Florian Reisinger

 Am 08.08.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com:
 
 jonathon wrote on 8/8/2014 1:49 PM:
 
 
 MSO 2013 is incompatible with itself
 

Yes! Open Excel, use THE Date bug (a Feb 29th which never exists in reality, 
but in xls and OOXML traditional) and save as OOXML Strict. The file cannot be 
opened by Excel, but with LibO... More info from Italo: 
http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2014/08/01/libreoffice-4-3/comment-page-1/#comment-9979
 (please follow the link to his blog) 
To be honest: I have not tested it myself and the next comment says it cannot 
be opened by Office 2013 as well... Hoped the linked helped ;) Did not test 
myself :)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yes, MSO formats are tricky.  MS keep changing the spec without changing
the name.  I find the best work-around is to use the older MS formats
Doc instead of DocX
Xls instead of XlsX
Ppt instead of PptX
and so on.

In LibreOffice you can set the default to be these older formats and i
think i am going to do that with the machine i am about to prepare for
reception in the company i work for.
Tools - Options - Load/Save - General
then at the bottom of the page there are 2 drop-downs.  Set the bottom one
to MS ... 97/2000/Xp.  Then change the one just above it to soreadsheets or
whatever the next one is and change the bottom drop-down to use the older
MS format for that one too.  Not all the modules/apps/programs in
LibreOffice have equivalents in MS Office so for those i would probably
stick with ODF.

Ahh, i just set the format to the older MSO ones and it just saves without
opening a pop-up asking if i really want to use MS ones rather than ODF.
That seems like a good plan for now but i might change that in a month or
few.  Generally it is better to use ODF by default and only use MS ones
temporarily but i need to give them a bit of time where they don't have to
deal with these issues.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 8 August 2014 17:39, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 I really just got a little laugh (not following the thread generally) but:

  Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on 8/8/2014 9:59 AM:
  
  
   Everything really depends on you neighbors' needs, and wants.  You need
   to discuss with them what they want our of the software packages you
   install for them.
 
  Not my neighbors! They want to be able to open DOC files, write letters,
  maybe do a simple spreadsheet. So compatibility with MSO files is
  super-important.
 
  Software should be transparent.
 

 Having software should be transparent next to be able to open DOC files
 (doc of course being closed source proprietary software for years
 controlled by a company who is anything but transparent) reads a bit
 comical :)

 Again - not following the thread generally and purposely am avoiding
 further comment. Just got a little kick out of this particular email :) Not
 that I disagree that interoperability is super important - I'd say equally
 important is convincing our neighbors that there are alternatives that are
 indeed transparent, functional, and easy to use (odf of course).

 Best,
 Joel

 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Italo Vignoli]

On 08/08/14 11:15, Pikov Andropov wrote:

 I didn't know that. So if I have MSO 2007 and get a DOCX file from
 someone with MSO 10 or 13, can I expect to have trouble opening it?

Unfortunately, yes, but in a totally unpredictable way.

Sorry for the technical details, but they are necessary to understand
the situation.

Microsoft introduced OOXML (DOCX, XLSX and PPTX) in 2007, in a hurry,
because the State of Massachusetts opted for ODF (the file format of
LibreOffice).

The State IT Manager, responsible of the decision, was fired based on
false allegations published by the Boston Globe, and provided by...

The OOXML document format was not ready to become a standard, and the
fast track process (totally inadequate) changed it in a way to get to
something resembling a standard (OOXML Strict).

MS Office 2007 adopts OOXML 2007 Transitional, MS Office 2010 adopts
OOXML 2010 Transitional (different from 2007), MS Office 2013 adopts
OOXML 2013 Transitional (different from 2007 and 2010).

Neither of these formats is a standard.

OOXML Strict is supported only by MS Office 2013, while all other MS
Office incarnations will not open it (and will tell the user that the
file is corrupted).

MS Office 2013 handles OOXML Strict with a number of horrible bugs. I
have tested the Excel bugs, which make Excel unusable (and can only be
solved by rewriting the application).

In addition, if you open an OOXML Transitional and save it as OOXML
Strict the contents will be changed arbitrarily (and this has just been
confirmed by Microsoft, telling the user that is his fault and not the
software, which has been designed to work this way).

Of course, the opposite is true, so any OOXML Strict will be screwed if
saved as OOXML Transitional.

Sorry for the boring technical details, but this is the situation.

Best regards, Italo

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Joel Madero]

Italo - no need to apologize. Your ability to make even non tech savvy
people (or less tech savvy) understand the absurdities of it all is truly
an art. Thanks!


Best,
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On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On 08/08/14 11:15, Pikov Andropov wrote:

  I didn't know that. So if I have MSO 2007 and get a DOCX file from
  someone with MSO 10 or 13, can I expect to have trouble opening it?

 Unfortunately, yes, but in a totally unpredictable way.

 Sorry for the technical details, but they are necessary to understand
 the situation.

 Microsoft introduced OOXML (DOCX, XLSX and PPTX) in 2007, in a hurry,
 because the State of Massachusetts opted for ODF (the file format of
 LibreOffice).

 The State IT Manager, responsible of the decision, was fired based on
 false allegations published by the Boston Globe, and provided by...

 The OOXML document format was not ready to become a standard, and the
 fast track process (totally inadequate) changed it in a way to get to
 something resembling a standard (OOXML Strict).

 MS Office 2007 adopts OOXML 2007 Transitional, MS Office 2010 adopts
 OOXML 2010 Transitional (different from 2007), MS Office 2013 adopts
 OOXML 2013 Transitional (different from 2007 and 2010).

 Neither of these formats is a standard.

 OOXML Strict is supported only by MS Office 2013, while all other MS
 Office incarnations will not open it (and will tell the user that the
 file is corrupted).

 MS Office 2013 handles OOXML Strict with a number of horrible bugs. I
 have tested the Excel bugs, which make Excel unusable (and can only be
 solved by rewriting the application).

 In addition, if you open an OOXML Transitional and save it as OOXML
 Strict the contents will be changed arbitrarily (and this has just been
 confirmed by Microsoft, telling the user that is his fault and not the
 software, which has been designed to work this way).

 Of course, the opposite is true, so any OOXML Strict will be screwed if
 saved as OOXML Transitional.

 Sorry for the boring technical details, but this is the situation.

 Best regards, Italo

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello again,

On 6 août 2014 23:29:44 CEST, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.

Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.

One has Windows XP.
One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.

What version shall I use for each?


There are 2 questions really. There are the binaries for Windows, the binaries 
for mac the ones for red hat (rpm)  the ones for mint (deb). Point their 
browsers to the LibreOffice download page and it should guess the proper 
binaries immediately. On linux there is no need to download from our website . 
It will be directly in their app store or software repository.

As for which version: they are your neighbours?  They do not stream financial 
data in real time in and out of their office suite? They don't do the 
accounting nor the legal documents management of a fortune 500 company? 

Have them download the fresh version. And let's stop spreading fear about this 
branch. It is stable, there won't be data loss or anything of that kind.

Best,

Charles.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi :)
+1
(to James's suggestion.)
I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree with 
getting

the 4.2.6.


That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree with you. 
Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should get the 
version you like.


Thank you,

Charles.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Paul]

On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:59:46 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit :
  Hi :)
  +1
  (to James's suggestion.)
  I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree with 
  getting
  the 4.2.6.
 
 That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree with
 you. Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should
 get the version you like.

Again, with all due respect Charles, but I have heard many people on
this list echo that sentiment. It seems to me like every time this
question comes up there are far more people recommending going for the
more stable branch than there are recommending going for the less stable
branch, if there are even any of those.

Tom's suggestion is far from a wild call, although you are of course
free to disagree with it.


Paul

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Le 07.08.2014 14:50, Paul a écrit :

On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:59:46 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:


Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit :
 Hi :)
 +1
 (to James's suggestion.)
 I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree with
 getting
 the 4.2.6.

That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree with
you. Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should
get the version you like.


Again, with all due respect Charles, but I have heard many people on
this list echo that sentiment. It seems to me like every time this
question comes up there are far more people recommending going for the
more stable branch than there are recommending going for the less 
stable

branch, if there are even any of those.

Tom's suggestion is far from a wild call, although you are of course
free to disagree with it.


It is a wild call not because it is unreasonable (it isn't) but because 
it is peremptory.
Yes, we can read here, on this list, that the newer branch is a problem. 
We have read it since several years but I'd like to point out two rather 
different elements.
- the same people complain about the same things for years, right here. 
For instance Tom has always said here and elsewhere he was not 
understanding the reason of two branches. Noop has always complained 
about the two branches and the release pace. It does not make their 
opinion invalid, but I'm suggesting a pattern here.
- This list is interesting, because it is one type of location. As it 
happens, my main contributions these past months to the project have 
been creating and sharing content on social media on behalf of 
LibreOffice and TDF (yes I'm the main guy behind the daily tweets). You 
would not believe how different the feedback is. True, people report 
bugs just like with anything else, but 90% of the time, the people on 
the social media are users who keep asking for new features and want 
more and more of them. There was to my knowledge, since January 2014 
exactly two people who wrote that they experienced a bug (with the newer 
branch) and were switching back to the older one. And we get feedback 
everyday from several different people, so that could give you an idea 
of the volume we're dealing here with.


What am I trying to show here?

Certainly not that people on social media are more right than people 
here. But that the opinions diverge with demographics, the place, the 
crowds, the kind of usage, etc. Indeed here, everytime this question 
arises, the same people will repeat the same arguments. It does not make 
their opinions unfair or inaccurate; but an echo chamber is also very 
easy to form on the Internet, esp. on a mailing list. Last but not 
least, positive feedback is rare compared to negative - here, in FOSS or 
in any customer service. I'd be shocked it we experienced the opposite 
:-)


Best,

Charles.





Paul


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Tanstaafl]

On 8/6/2014 6:34 PM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote:

No great mystery.

If they are more conservative--LibreOffice 4.2.6 is a solid build, somewhat 
lacking in the latest office features.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-still/


Not for everyone... the fact that the new feature of 'inline editing of 
Input fields' is BROKEN (regression) when it comes to pasting into it, 
the entire 4.2.x line has been totally unusable to us (and many others 
who rely on this capability).



If they have more tolerance for change, and accept the potential for some as 
yet undescribed bugs affecting use, then early adoption of the 4.3.0 branch is 
a reasonable choice.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/

Both are good well tested software packages.


Still? Fresh? Mature? Toddler? Teenager?

This is not just nonsense, it is insanity.

Do it like Debian:

4.2.x = Stable

4.3.x = Testing

Then move on to more important things - like fixing the above mentioned 
bug so a large segment of users can actually use these newer 'stable' 
versions.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Tom,

Please stop this passive-aggressive behaviour. Users' request are not 
spam. Why do you call them that?
Anyway, you ask a good question. On these channels we receive three kind 
of questions and here's how things tend to work:


1) request for feature : people or the biggest majority of people are 
replied to in all cases. Either the feature or something approaching 
exists and we point it to them , otherwise we answer to the best of our 
ability (maybe sometimes we know we are close to release the feature, 
sometimes we don't, etc.)


2) users support question: I want to do X but when I try Y happens (bug 
or otherwise): users support can happen on the spot (see our Google + 
community for these instances, it works really well) or we redirect them 
here or on ask.libreoffice.org


3) general interest question: will LibreOffice soon merge with 
T-Mobile? Who are you? Where am I? - again it is answered on the spot.


Hope this helps,

Charles.

Le 07.08.2014 15:42, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi :)

Oddly on the Users Support mailing list we tend to get a lot of
questions asking for support and not so many posts telling us that
they don't need support.

I guess if people were asking for technical support in the social
media thing then they would be a bit lost, right!  Would you solve
their problem for them or push their 'spam' to the proper channels?

Regards from
Tom :)

On 7 August 2014 14:07, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:


Le 07.08.2014 14:50, Paul a écrit :

On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:59:46 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi :)
+1
(to James's suggestion.)
I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree

with

getting
the 4.2.6.


That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree with
you. Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should
get the version you like.

Again, with all due respect Charles, but I have heard many people
on
this list echo that sentiment. It seems to me like every time this
question comes up there are far more people recommending going for
the
more stable branch than there are recommending going for the less
stable
branch, if there are even any of those.

Tom's suggestion is far from a wild call, although you are of
course
free to disagree with it.


 It is a wild call not because it is unreasonable (it isn't) but
because it is peremptory.
 Yes, we can read here, on this list, that the newer branch is a
problem. We have read it since several years but I'd like to point out
two rather different elements.
 - the same people complain about the same things for years, right
here. For instance Tom has always said here and elsewhere he was not
understanding the reason of two branches. Noop has always complained
about the two branches and the release pace. It does not make their
opinion invalid, but I'm suggesting a pattern here.
 - This list is interesting, because it is one type of location. As it
happens, my main contributions these past months to the project have
been creating and sharing content on social media on behalf of
LibreOffice and TDF (yes I'm the main guy behind the daily tweets).
You would not believe how different the feedback is. True, people
report bugs just like with anything else, but 90% of the time, the
people on the social media are users who keep asking for new features
and want more and more of them. There was to my knowledge, since
January 2014 exactly two people who wrote that they experienced a bug
(with the newer branch) and were switching back to the older one. And
we get feedback everyday from several different people, so that could
give you an idea of the volume we're dealing here with.

 What am I trying to show here?

 Certainly not that people on social media are more right than
people here. But that the opinions diverge with demographics, the
place, the crowds, the kind of usage, etc. Indeed here, everytime this
question arises, the same people will repeat the same arguments. It
does not make their opinions unfair or inaccurate; but an echo chamber
is also very easy to form on the Internet, esp. on a mailing list.
Last but not least, positive feedback is rare compared to negative -
here, in FOSS or in any customer service. I'd be shocked it we
experienced the opposite :-)

 Best,

 Charles.


Paul


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

Personally, I would do the following for Windows XP through Win7. I do 
not work with 8 or 8.1.


Install 4.2.6.  When 4.2.7 comes out, you might want to update to that 
one, but it is not really needed.


Once 4.3.x gets to 4.3.3 or 4.3.4, then go to the 4.3.x line - if 
wanted.  I may or may not be going to 4.3.x earlier than 4.3.3, but that 
is my choice and it differs from others.


Yes, the question really is what are your neighbors' needs and yours 
as well.


For now, personally, try 4.3.6 on the Windows their XP systems.

I still have a few of them left in my home/office.  The others are 
Win7/home and various Linux systems.  I am typing this from my main 
desktop that runs Linux Mint 16 with MATE desktop environment.  My needs 
and wants require me to use Linux - Mint 16 for now - for my main 
production system.  I do use a Win7 laptop for my secondary system, 
with a Linux boot partition to deal with any Linux-only needs.


So the long and the short of this - - What do your neighbors want and 
need from their system and their Office suite?  In my personal opinion 
LibreOffice 4.2.6 will start a new user out just fine.


I have not updated my systems from 4.2.5 yet - too much other things to 
do -  but I will when I have tome




Tim Lungstrom - New York State, USA

Installing LibreOffice on people systems since the 3.3.x days.
Stopped using MS Office at their 2003 version and never looked back.

On 08/07/2014 04:11 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Le 07.08.2014 10:05, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi :)
With all due respect Charles it is not your reputation on the line
here.  It's Pikov's.


I realize it is important for Pikov to do the right thing - don't get 
me wrong. Hence my questions earlier: what are his neighbours' needs? 
Are they very complex?

Perhaps he can try the Fresh line and see for himself?




Also you are seldom here, on this mailing list, to directly help
users.  It's left to those of us who are here day in and day out.  Our
experience points to it being wiser to give new users the still
versions that have had bug-patches applied rather than fresh ones with
as-yet-unknown problems.

I know you need to get more people doing bug-testing for you but lets
not do it at the expense of Pikov or others in a similar position.


My bet is exactly this: that the choice won't be made on anybody's 
expense. But let's hear what Pikov has to say.


Best,

Charles.




Regards from
Tom :)

On 7 August 2014 08:59, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:


Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit :


Hi :)
+1
(to James's suggestion.)
I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree
with getting
the 4.2.6.


That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree with
you. Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should
get the version you like.

Thank you,

Charles.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Paul]

Hi Charles,

Thanks for the info on a different feedback system generating a
different view of the topic. That was very useful, and I think should
have been mentioned *much* earlier.

It is likely the the people who mostly come to this list are the ones
with problems, so we are likely to see a higher incidence of people
wanting the more stable branch.

While that may negate my opinion that the primary download should be
switched from the less stable branch to the more stable branch, I still
feel that the best approach would be to offer both as equal choices,
with clear explanations.

Or perhaps even to do away with the one branch completely, and
concentrate more on a single branch, if the difference in stability is
so negligible, as you keep suggesting. However, I feel that the
difference is probably big enough to warrant keeping both branches, and
therefore big enough to warrant having two *equal* download choices,
*with* explanations.

But thank you for contributing this constructive information that has
helped this discussion move forward.

Paul



On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 15:07:47 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Le 07.08.2014 14:50, Paul a écrit :
  On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:59:46 +0200
  Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
  
  Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit :
   Hi :)
   +1
   (to James's suggestion.)
   I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree
   with getting
   the 4.2.6.
  
  That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree with
  you. Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should
  get the version you like.
  
  Again, with all due respect Charles, but I have heard many people on
  this list echo that sentiment. It seems to me like every time this
  question comes up there are far more people recommending going for
  the more stable branch than there are recommending going for the
  less stable
  branch, if there are even any of those.
  
  Tom's suggestion is far from a wild call, although you are of course
  free to disagree with it.
 
 It is a wild call not because it is unreasonable (it isn't) but
 because it is peremptory.
 Yes, we can read here, on this list, that the newer branch is a
 problem. We have read it since several years but I'd like to point
 out two rather different elements.
 - the same people complain about the same things for years, right
 here. For instance Tom has always said here and elsewhere he was not 
 understanding the reason of two branches. Noop has always complained 
 about the two branches and the release pace. It does not make their 
 opinion invalid, but I'm suggesting a pattern here.
 - This list is interesting, because it is one type of location. As it 
 happens, my main contributions these past months to the project have 
 been creating and sharing content on social media on behalf of 
 LibreOffice and TDF (yes I'm the main guy behind the daily tweets).
 You would not believe how different the feedback is. True, people
 report bugs just like with anything else, but 90% of the time, the
 people on the social media are users who keep asking for new features
 and want more and more of them. There was to my knowledge, since
 January 2014 exactly two people who wrote that they experienced a bug
 (with the newer branch) and were switching back to the older one. And
 we get feedback everyday from several different people, so that could
 give you an idea of the volume we're dealing here with.
 
 What am I trying to show here?
 
 Certainly not that people on social media are more right than
 people here. But that the opinions diverge with demographics, the
 place, the crowds, the kind of usage, etc. Indeed here, everytime
 this question arises, the same people will repeat the same arguments.
 It does not make their opinions unfair or inaccurate; but an echo
 chamber is also very easy to form on the Internet, esp. on a mailing
 list. Last but not least, positive feedback is rare compared to
 negative - here, in FOSS or in any customer service. I'd be shocked
 it we experienced the opposite :-)
 
 Best,
 
 Charles.
 
 
  
  
  Paul


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Oddly on the Users Support mailing list we tend to get a lot of questions
asking for support and not so many posts telling us that they don't need
support.

I guess if people were asking for technical support in the social media
thing then they would be a bit lost, right!  Would you solve their problem
for them or push their 'spam' to the proper channels?
Regards from
Tom :)




On 7 August 2014 14:07, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Le 07.08.2014 14:50, Paul a écrit :

  On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:59:46 +0200
 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

  Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit :
  Hi :)
  +1
  (to James's suggestion.)
  I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree with
  getting
  the 4.2.6.

 That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree with
 you. Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should
 get the version you like.


 Again, with all due respect Charles, but I have heard many people on
 this list echo that sentiment. It seems to me like every time this
 question comes up there are far more people recommending going for the
 more stable branch than there are recommending going for the less stable
 branch, if there are even any of those.

 Tom's suggestion is far from a wild call, although you are of course
 free to disagree with it.


 It is a wild call not because it is unreasonable (it isn't) but because it
 is peremptory.
 Yes, we can read here, on this list, that the newer branch is a problem.
 We have read it since several years but I'd like to point out two rather
 different elements.
 - the same people complain about the same things for years, right here.
 For instance Tom has always said here and elsewhere he was not
 understanding the reason of two branches. Noop has always complained about
 the two branches and the release pace. It does not make their opinion
 invalid, but I'm suggesting a pattern here.
 - This list is interesting, because it is one type of location. As it
 happens, my main contributions these past months to the project have been
 creating and sharing content on social media on behalf of LibreOffice and
 TDF (yes I'm the main guy behind the daily tweets). You would not believe
 how different the feedback is. True, people report bugs just like with
 anything else, but 90% of the time, the people on the social media are
 users who keep asking for new features and want more and more of them.
 There was to my knowledge, since January 2014 exactly two people who wrote
 that they experienced a bug (with the newer branch) and were switching back
 to the older one. And we get feedback everyday from several different
 people, so that could give you an idea of the volume we're dealing here
 with.

 What am I trying to show here?

 Certainly not that people on social media are more right than people
 here. But that the opinions diverge with demographics, the place, the
 crowds, the kind of usage, etc. Indeed here, everytime this question
 arises, the same people will repeat the same arguments. It does not make
 their opinions unfair or inaccurate; but an echo chamber is also very easy
 to form on the Internet, esp. on a mailing list. Last but not least,
 positive feedback is rare compared to negative - here, in FOSS or in any
 customer service. I'd be shocked it we experienced the opposite :-)

 Best,

 Charles.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello Paul,

On 7 août 2014 16:44:25 CEST, Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote:
Hi Charles,

Thanks for the info on a different feedback system generating a
different view of the topic. That was very useful, and I think should
have been mentioned *much* earlier.

It is likely the the people who mostly come to this list are the ones
with problems, so we are likely to see a higher incidence of people
wanting the more stable branch.

While that may negate my opinion that the primary download should be
switched from the less stable branch to the more stable branch, I still
feel that the best approach would be to offer both as equal choices,
with clear explanations.

Or perhaps even to do away with the one branch completely, and
concentrate more on a single branch, if the difference in stability is
so negligible, as you keep suggesting. However, I feel that the
difference is probably big enough to warrant keeping both branches, and
therefore big enough to warrant having two *equal* download choices,
*with* explanations.

At the beginning of the discussion I had not understood that it was your 
concern. Now I do. I completely agree of a need for a description of the two 
branches. We disagree on the priority that should be given on each of these 
although I do see merit in presenting them on equal footage. That is just me 
though, I am far from being alone in this.

Fyi maybe it is my browser but I see that on the homepage clicking on download 
will dispmay a menu with the two branches. Surely that is an acceptable 
behaviour?

Cheers,

Charles.


But thank you for contributing this constructive information that has
helped this discussion move forward.

Paul



On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 15:07:47 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Le 07.08.2014 14:50, Paul a écrit :
  On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:59:46 +0200
  Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
  
  Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit :
   Hi :)
   +1
   (to James's suggestion.)
   I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree
   with getting
   the 4.2.6.
  
  That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree
with
  you. Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should
  get the version you like.
  
  Again, with all due respect Charles, but I have heard many people
on
  this list echo that sentiment. It seems to me like every time this
  question comes up there are far more people recommending going for
  the more stable branch than there are recommending going for the
  less stable
  branch, if there are even any of those.
  
  Tom's suggestion is far from a wild call, although you are of
course
  free to disagree with it.
 
 It is a wild call not because it is unreasonable (it isn't) but
 because it is peremptory.
 Yes, we can read here, on this list, that the newer branch is a
 problem. We have read it since several years but I'd like to point
 out two rather different elements.
 - the same people complain about the same things for years, right
 here. For instance Tom has always said here and elsewhere he was not 
 understanding the reason of two branches. Noop has always complained 
 about the two branches and the release pace. It does not make their 
 opinion invalid, but I'm suggesting a pattern here.
 - This list is interesting, because it is one type of location. As it

 happens, my main contributions these past months to the project have 
 been creating and sharing content on social media on behalf of 
 LibreOffice and TDF (yes I'm the main guy behind the daily tweets).
 You would not believe how different the feedback is. True, people
 report bugs just like with anything else, but 90% of the time, the
 people on the social media are users who keep asking for new features
 and want more and more of them. There was to my knowledge, since
 January 2014 exactly two people who wrote that they experienced a bug
 (with the newer branch) and were switching back to the older one. And
 we get feedback everyday from several different people, so that could
 give you an idea of the volume we're dealing here with.
 
 What am I trying to show here?
 
 Certainly not that people on social media are more right than
 people here. But that the opinions diverge with demographics, the
 place, the crowds, the kind of usage, etc. Indeed here, everytime
 this question arises, the same people will repeat the same arguments.
 It does not make their opinions unfair or inaccurate; but an echo
 chamber is also very easy to form on the Internet, esp. on a mailing
 list. Last but not least, positive feedback is rare compared to
 negative - here, in FOSS or in any customer service. I'd be shocked
 it we experienced the opposite :-)
 
 Best,
 
 Charles.
 
 
  
  
  Paul

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Paul]

Hi Charles,


On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:23:17 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Fyi maybe it is my browser but I see that on the homepage clicking on
 download will dispmay a menu with the two branches. Surely that is an
 acceptable behaviour?

Yes, I see that menu, and that menu is fine as far as I'm concerned,
other than the branch wording, which is a different discussion. It
*would* be very nice to have a short description of each branch there,
but even in a smaller font, it would probably just make the menu look
cluttered. Even more reason to use sensible, well known terms there, as
people will only have the terms to go on.

It's mainly the download page, the one at:
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/
which is the default when clicking the big shiny Download Now button
on the homepage, that is an issue for me. Even trying to go to just:
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
gets one redirected to the Fresh branch.

Paul


P.S. I'm not sure why, but your mails are being addressed to both me and
the list, with my address coming first, which means a) I get it twice,
and b) when I hit reply, it replies by default to just you, instead of
to the list. This isn't the case with most other mails from the list,
so it seems to be something misconfigured on your side.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 8/7/2014 3:05 AM:
 Hello Pikov,
 
 On 7 août 2014 01:30:57 CEST, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:
V Stuart Foote wrote on 8/6/2014 6:34 PM:
 No great mystery.
 
 If they are more conservative--LibreOffice 4.2.6 is a solid build,
somewhat lacking in the latest office features.
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-still/
 
 If they have more tolerance for change, and accept the potential for
some as yet undescribed bugs affecting use, then early adoption of the
4.3.0 branch is a reasonable choice.
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/
 
 Both are good well tested software packages.

Interesting answer.

I think you're saying that 4.2.6 is essentially bugfree, but 4.3.x is
not.
 
 Sigh. Both are NOT bugfree. Stable is a stage and no software ca be bug free.

I didn't say, bugfree, Charles. I said essentially bugfree. Don't be a
hardass.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

Tom Davies wrote on 8/7/2014 4:05 AM:
 Hi :) 
 With all due respect Charles it is not your reputation on the line
 here.  It's Pikov's. 

Why? Because I asked the original question?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 8/7/2014 3:12 AM:
 Hello again,
 
 On 6 août 2014 23:29:44 CEST, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.

Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.

One has Windows XP.
One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.

What version shall I use for each?
 
 
 There are 2 questions really. There are the binaries for Windows, the 
 binaries for mac the ones for red hat (rpm)  the ones for mint (deb). Point 
 their browsers to the LibreOffice download page and it should guess the 
 proper binaries immediately. On linux there is no need to download from our 
 website . It will be directly in their app store or software repository.
 
 As for which version: they are your neighbours?  They do not stream financial 
 data in real time in and out of their office suite? They don't do the 
 accounting nor the legal documents management of a fortune 500 company? 

What do those question s have to do with choosing a version of LO


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

On 7 août 2014 21:09:34 CEST, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:
Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 8/7/2014 3:12 AM:
 Hello again,
 
 On 6 août 2014 23:29:44 CEST, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.

Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.

One has Windows XP.
One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.

What version shall I use for each?
 
 
 There are 2 questions really. There are the binaries for Windows, the
binaries for mac the ones for red hat (rpm)  the ones for mint (deb).
Point their browsers to the LibreOffice download page and it should
guess the proper binaries immediately. On linux there is no need to
download from our website . It will be directly in their app store or
software repository.
 
 As for which version: they are your neighbours?  They do not stream
financial data in real time in and out of their office suite? They
don't do the accounting nor the legal documents management of a fortune
500 company? 

What do those question s have to do with choosing a version of LO

Everything actually. My point is this: if your neighbours will be using their 
office suite doing what 80% of users do then they might as well choose Fresh. 
If they are running businesses they might want to go for the Still branch.

Best,
Charles.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Paul]

On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 21:25:12 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

  As for which version: they are your neighbours?  They do not stream
 financial data in real time in and out of their office suite? They
 don't do the accounting nor the legal documents management of a
 fortune 500 company? 
 
 What do those question s have to do with choosing a version of LO
 
 Everything actually. My point is this: if your neighbours will be
 using their office suite doing what 80% of users do then they might
 as well choose Fresh. If they are running businesses they might want
 to go for the Still branch.

Equally, I feel it could read if they will be using their office suite
doing what 80% of users do then they might as well choose Still. If
they find that something is missing, then they might want to go for the
the Fresh branch.

The big debate recently has been over exactly this issue. A lot of
people on this list (myself included) have expressed the opinion that it
is best in this sort of circumstance to go for Still, but Charles is
among those that feel that it is best to go for Fresh. The majority
opinion on *this* list seems to be to go for Still, but Charles reports
from elsewhere that the majority opinion he has received is that Fresh
is better.

Ultimately it is a choice between Fresh, which has newer features but
also a higher chance of bugs, and Still, which has fewer features but
likely also fewer bugs. How many new features, how important the
features are, how many more bugs, and how serious those bugs are is not
always so clear

You must choose, based on what you think your neighbours will value
most, and on how you feel about probably having to support their
installs.


Paul

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 8/7/2014 3:25 PM:
 
 
 On 7 août 2014 21:09:34 CEST, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:
Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 8/7/2014 3:12 AM:
 Hello again,
 
 On 6 août 2014 23:29:44 CEST, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.

Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.

One has Windows XP.
One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.

What version shall I use for each?
 
 
 There are 2 questions really. There are the binaries for Windows, the
binaries for mac the ones for red hat (rpm)  the ones for mint (deb).
Point their browsers to the LibreOffice download page and it should
guess the proper binaries immediately. On linux there is no need to
download from our website . It will be directly in their app store or
software repository.
 
 As for which version: they are your neighbours?  They do not stream
financial data in real time in and out of their office suite? They
don't do the accounting nor the legal documents management of a fortune
500 company? 

What do those question s have to do with choosing a version of LO
 
 Everything actually. My point is this: if your neighbours will be using their 
 office suite doing what 80% of users do then they might as well choose Fresh. 
 If they are running businesses they might want to go for the Still branch.


But why?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Italo Vignoli]

On 07/08/14 14:14, Paul wrote:

 The big debate recently has been over exactly this issue. A lot of
 people on this list (myself included) have expressed the opinion that it
 is best in this sort of circumstance to go for Still, but Charles is
 among those that feel that it is best to go for Fresh.

I have read most of the thread (I am on holiday in the US, and I do not
read all emails I receive), so I might have missed something important.

I think that either opinion is right, because it is based on each one
needs and experiences. I am a user, without major technical skills, but
I have always used the latest version without real problems (some crash
but no more and no less than with other software, including proprietary
ones).

I have never lost any information, and although I am a heavy Impress
user I have never lost any image in any file (even while switching from
MacOS X to Linux and vice versa). I mention this, because it is a real
problem for many users.

This represents my experience, and is worth as much as my experience can
be considered a good one or a bad one. I think that free software should
teach users to be more self conscious about their skills, and decide
which is the best version for their needs.

I second Charles' opinion about a larger number of users choosing the
latest release (fresh) over the older one (still). Of course, these are
not scientific statistics, but individual perceptions. In some cases I
have suggested the older release, and I am definitely suggesting the
older release to enterprises.

 Ultimately it is a choice between Fresh, which has newer features but
 also a higher chance of bugs, and Still, which has fewer features but
 likely also fewer bugs.

In some cases you need a feature and do not stumble into a bug because
of your workflow, and Fresh is the ideal choice. In some cases, you do
stumble into a bug because of your workflow and Still is the right choice.

I think that it is a matter of explaining to new users that they have a
choice between two options (which is something they never had with any
other software). Some users will understand, some others will not.

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[libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.

Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.

One has Windows XP.
One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.

What version shall I use for each?

Thanks.

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RE: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[V Stuart Foote]

No great mystery.

If they are more conservative--LibreOffice 4.2.6 is a solid build, somewhat 
lacking in the latest office features.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-still/

If they have more tolerance for change, and accept the potential for some as 
yet undescribed bugs affecting use, then early adoption of the 4.3.0 branch is 
a reasonable choice.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/

Both are good well tested software packages.


 -Original Message-
 From: Pikov Andropov [mailto:piko...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:30 PM
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] What version?
 
 I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.
 
 Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.
 
 One has Windows XP.
 One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
 One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
 Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.
 
 What version shall I use for each?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[Pikov Andropov]

V Stuart Foote wrote on 8/6/2014 6:34 PM:
 No great mystery.
 
 If they are more conservative--LibreOffice 4.2.6 is a solid build, somewhat 
 lacking in the latest office features.
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-still/
 
 If they have more tolerance for change, and accept the potential for some as 
 yet undescribed bugs affecting use, then early adoption of the 4.3.0 branch 
 is a reasonable choice.
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/
 
 Both are good well tested software packages.

Interesting answer.

I think you're saying that 4.2.6 is essentially bugfree, but 4.3.x is not.

I suppose that an undescribed bug is one that the LO developers dd not
discover during their testing, and that we users are the next test bed.
I generally eschew programs with version numbers ending in 0, for that
very reason.

I just checked and I see that I have v4.0.1.2. Check for updates tells
me that 4.2.5 (no typo!) is available for manual downloading. Where are
4.2.6 and 4.3.0?

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RE: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[V Stuart Foote]

Pikov, *,

 -Original Message-
 From: Pikov Andropov [mailto:piko...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 6:31 PM
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
 
 V Stuart Foote wrote on 8/6/2014 6:34 PM:
  No great mystery.
 
  If they are more conservative--LibreOffice 4.2.6 is a solid build, somewhat
 lacking in the latest office features.
  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-still/
 
  If they have more tolerance for change, and accept the potential for some
 as yet undescribed bugs affecting use, then early adoption of the 4.3.0
 branch is a reasonable choice.
  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/
 
  Both are good well tested software packages.
 
 Interesting answer.
 
 I think you're saying that 4.2.6 is essentially bugfree, but 4.3.x is not.
 
 I suppose that an undescribed bug is one that the LO developers dd not
 discover during their testing, and that we users are the next test bed.
 I generally eschew programs with version numbers ending in 0, for that
 very reason.
 
 I just checked and I see that I have v4.0.1.2. Check for updates tells
 me that 4.2.5 (no typo!) is available for manual downloading. Where are
 4.2.6 and 4.3.0?
 

See the URLs provided, they will detect the browser language in use and offer 
that build of LibreOffice.

The rest of your comment is correct. No shame in avoiding the initial 4.3.0 or 
4.3.1 release,  but by the 4.3.2 release (week of Sep 22, 2014) as the 4.2.7 
release is finalized (4.2 branch EOL is 19 Nov) --all users should be 
considering a shift to the 4.3 branch by that point.   And then briefly remain 
on only the 4.3 branch until release of the initial 4.4.0 build (week of 26 
Jan, 2015)--which will  coincide with the 4.3.5 release. 

More details and rational for the time based release train are on the project 
wiki here:  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Plan


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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

[James Knott]

On 08/06/2014 05:29 PM, Pikov Andropov wrote:
 I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.

 Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.

 One has Windows XP.
 One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
 One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
 Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.

 What version shall I use for each?

 Thanks.


Download the Windows version for all Windows users.  The Linux users
likely have versions tailored for their distro available.


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