Re: [libreoffice-users] Double Underline Problem

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:01:02 -0600
Jay Ridgley  dijo:

>Hi Y'all,
>
>I just subscribed to the list. I have a question/problem wto Double
>Underlining.
>
>In several of my spreadsheets I use this and until recently (last set
>of updates) it worked as I wanted. However, they now appear as a heavy
>black line.
>
>Details:
>
>Format cells > Line
>Style: double underline
>Width: 0.05 pt
>Color: Black
>
>LibreOffice Version 3.5.7.2 Build ID: 350m1(Build2)

I suspect the problem is the width setting, which you have at 0.05. It
has been a long time since I used a double underline, but I seem to
recall that I had to set the width to the total width of the two lines,
not to the width of the individual lines.

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[libreoffice-users] Automatic line creation

[John Jason Jordan]

I have been using OOo, now LibreOffice 3.4.6, currently on Fedora 16,
x86_64 for many, many years. In fact, I started with StarOffice 0.91. 

Today I wanted to type three asterisks and center them in a line as a
device to mark a change of perspective in a work of fiction. After I
typed the three asterisks I hit Enter and suddenly the three asterisks
turned into a bold double line across the page. Not only that, I cannot
delete the double line.

What happened? How can I delete the line? How can I stop this from ever
happening again?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Automatic line creation

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:26:34 -0700
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>I have been using OOo, now LibreOffice 3.4.6, currently on Fedora 16,
>x86_64 for many, many years. In fact, I started with StarOffice 0.91. 
>
>Today I wanted to type three asterisks and center them in a line as a
>device to mark a change of perspective in a work of fiction. After I
>typed the three asterisks I hit Enter and suddenly the three asterisks
>turned into a bold double line across the page. Not only that, I cannot
>delete the double line.
>
>What happened? How can I delete the line? How can I stop this from ever
>happening again?

I found out that LibreOffice created a border. Once I got into the
Paragraph settings dialog box I was able to turn it off.

I still want to stop this from ever happening again. How do I get rid
of this "feature"?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Automatic line creation

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 06:43:59 +
Brian Barker  dijo:

>>I still want to stop this from ever happening again. How do I get 
>>rid of this "feature"?

>3. If you really want to disable this completely, remove the tick 
>from Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | Apply border.

That was what I was looking for. Thanks!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] API characters

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:25:54 +0200
Alain Carrière  dijo:

>I am looking in LO characters menu to see if I can find the IPA 
>(international phonetic alphabet) and can't find anything.
>
>Is there a way to download it somewhere? I use a french keyboard and 
>would like to type those characters directly (for college works).

Not all fonts contain the glyphs necessary for IPA. I personally prefer
Junicode because it is attractive, free and open source, and has many
glyphs for other typesetting niceties besides just IPA. 

You did not say what operating system you have, and the methods for
inserting special characters vary from one OS to the next. I recommend
the following website for full instructions:

http://ipa4linguists.pbworks.com/w/page/4325768/FrontPage

The above site not only has links to fonts, but also complete
instructions for various operating systems and word processors.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:06:00 + (GMT)
Tom Davies  dijo:

>Wow!!  Errr, is that something that LaTex or Scribus might be better
>at?  If so can they read and work with the output from LO? 

TeX, LaTeX, and their family can certainly do footnotes. However, I
don't think they are as capable at importing LO/OOo text as Scribus is.

Scribus will directly import text from Writer, and preserve styles in
the process. You can even map the Writer styles to Scribus styles if
you want. Scribus works very well with LO/OOo.

However, the current stable version of Scribus (1.41) lacks footnotes
and tables, although they are on the roadmap for the next release. As
for footnotes, however, Scribus will preserve the superscripts in the
text, and will convert the text of the footnotes to endnotes. After
importing the text to Scribus you can cut the endnotes off the end of
the story and paste in as a new story. The new story can be manually
threaded to text frames at the bottom of the appropriate pages. Unless
you have a gazillion footnotes, this works very well.

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[libreoffice-users] Include movie in PDF export?

[John Jason Jordan]

LibreOffice 3.4.6 on Fedora 16, x86_64, installed from the repositories.

I can place an .avi file in a Writer document and it plays fine in the
document. But I need to play the video during a presentation in class
and the university computers do not have LibreOffice on them, so the
obvious solution is to export as PDF. However, I can't get the video to
play in the PDF. 

Can it be done? 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Include movie in PDF export?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:55:45 -0500
Dan Lewis  dijo:

>Another possibility is to install portable LibreOffice on a thumb 
>drive (USB):

>http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable.

>This is the portable version of LO 3.6.4 for Windows.

Another great idea, except that on all university computers the ability
to boot to a CD or USB is blocked in the BIOS and there is also a
restriction in Windows Enterprise that does not allow programs not
installed by OIT.

University OIT departments are a pretty paranoid lot. Maybe they need
to be. But it often makes life difficult.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] bibliography after endnotes

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 18:22:59 +0100
Info/UX  dijo:

>The only way of placing the bibliography after the endnotes in correct 
>formatting is to place a section after (technically within) the final 
>endnote. Using a section for the main article causes a crash when
>double spacing is applied.
>
>Does this method bode well for MS Word compatibility? Is there a
>better method?

There is a proprietary program called Endnote, used by many
academicians. Is that what you are referring to?

Regardless, there are numerous academic citation and reference styles.
Which one are you using? 

And regardless of your responses to the above, might I suggest you look
into Zotero or Mendeley? 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] spacing after punctuation

[John Jason Jordan]

>From: T. R. Valentine
>Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:23 AM
>To: LibreOffice-list
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] spacing after punctuation
>
>As a follow-up to our earlier discussion of one versus two spaces
>following a full point/full stop/period, I offer the following passage
>from /About Face: Reviving the Rules of Typography/ by David Jury
>(typos mine):

The book most often relied on by professional typesetters (for English)
is Robert Bringhurst:

http://tinyurl.com/laus5fb

The two most capable programs for typesetting are TeX and Adobe
InDesign. For professional line endings and to avoid rivers Adobe
copied the multiline paragraph composition engine from TeX. TeX is free
and open source, so it was easy to do. I wish LibreOffice could do the
same.

However, Adobe added 'optical character kerning' to InDesign, a feature
not found in any other software. Optical character kerning works by
disregarding the metrics built into the font, including the kerning
pairs. Instead, it calculates the square area between each letter,
taking into account the curves and shapes of the letters, then spaces
the letters with equal area. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:18:34 -0700
Bruce Byfield  dijo:
>
>For now, I'll just say that Writer is not a word processor so much as
>an intermediate desktop publishing program. You can actually
>substitute it very successfully for proprietary tools like FrameMaker.

That is correct, but bear in mind that FrameMaker, like Writer or TeX,
is not a page layout application like Scribus, InDesign, QuarkXPress or
PageMaker, inter alia. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 10:55:55 -0700
Bruce Byfield  dijo:

>On Friday 06 September 2013 10:47:49 PM John Jason Jordan wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:18:34 -0700
>> 
>> Bruce Byfield  dijo:
>> >For now, I'll just say that Writer is not a word processor so much
>> >as an intermediate desktop publishing program. You can actually
>> >substitute it very successfully for proprietary tools like
>> >FrameMaker.

>> That is correct, but bear in mind that FrameMaker, like Writer or
>> TeX, is not a page layout application like Scribus, InDesign,
>> QuarkXPress or PageMaker, inter alia.

>FrameMaker is (or used to be) an industry-standard for producing
>printed material, such as technical manuals. It's a specialized tool,
>designed to produce text-oriented documents.

Again, you are correct, but missed the point I was trying to make.
Perhaps I should state it more clearly.

In Writer, FrameMaker and the TeX family, a document consists of a
continuous stream of text. If you insert additional text at the
beginning, all the text moves down, including the creation of new pages
at the end if necessary.

The other applications I mentioned are "page layout" applications. In a
page layout application each page is a container. Everything that goes
on a page goes into a graphics or a text frame. The frames never
automatically move, regardless of how much stuff you add stuff to them.
For text to flow from one page to the next there must be successive
frames on the pages and the frames must be linked. You can drag frames
around, create new ones, change the size and shape, but a frame always
stays precisely where you put it on a page. You can link text frames
that are pages apart - think of a magazine where a story begins toward
the front of the magazine, runs for a couple of pages, and then you see
"continued on page x."

If you're doing a document that is essentially just text - a novel,
dissertation, academic paper, etc. - then the continuous text type of
application will probably work best. If you're doing something that is
design intensive - a newsletter, brochure, flier, advertising piece -
then the page layout application will make life much easier. 

The two kinds of applications have fundamentally different approaches,
and that is the point I was trying to make.

And I should add that FrameMaker, of all the applications mentioned is,
in some respects, kind of a hybrid. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:36:29 +0100
Brian Barker  dijo:

>Writer won't do everything, but you appear not to realise what it can 
>do.  Writer has frames, which can indeed be anchored to pages, and 
>have the sort of properties you describe.  It also allows linked 
>frames.  The only restriction appears to be that linked frames must 
>be in the same section.  Try it!  (See "frames;linking" in the help
>text.)

Of course I was aware that Writer has frames that can be linked. Do you
use writer to lay out a magazine? Do you recommend that I do so?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:32:48 -0400 doug dijo:

>Whatever is the "wonderful" one, I'll try it and see if is appeals to
>me over just everyday Times-Roman.

I have LO 3.5.7.2 on a recent fresh install and up to date Xubuntu
12.04. I have done a lot of DTP since I bought my first computer in
1978, recently mostly with Scribus, but occasionally I use LO. I was
very interested in this discussion of the Linux Libertine font and its
amazing abilities with the typography toolbar extension.

I downloaded and installed Linux Libertine from the Ubuntu repos, and
also installed the typography toolbar 1.1. The font appears fine and
the toolbar appears as I think it is supposed to. But there is a
problem. I opened an unimportant LO file to experiment with, selected
some text that had a number in it, applied Linux Libertine font, then
clicked on the old style numerals button in the toolbar. Nothing
happened. I repeated this with ligatures, tried true small caps, and
various other features of the toolbar, but the text flickered for an
instant and no changes were made. 

Of course I closed LO and restarted it, but still nada. I am guessing
there is some fundamental setting somewhere that must be turned on for
this to work. Anyone have any clues?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:34:15 -0400
Virgil Arrington  dijo:

>On 09/10/2013 11:43 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:32:48 -0400 doug dijo:

>> I downloaded and installed Linux Libertine from the Ubuntu repos, and
>> also installed the typography toolbar 1.1. The font appears fine and
>> the toolbar appears as I think it is supposed to. But there is a
>> problem. I opened an unimportant LO file to experiment with, selected
>> some text that had a number in it, applied Linux Libertine font, then
>> clicked on the old style numerals button in the toolbar. Nothing
>> happened. I repeated this with ligatures, tried true small caps, and
>> various other features of the toolbar, but the text flickered for an
>> instant and no changes were made.

>Did you download Linux Libertine "G"? There are different versions of 
>the Libertine font. Some have an "O" at the end and others have a "G". 
>The "G" stands for Graphite and they are the only ones that have
>access to the expert glyphs. It doesn't work with the Libertine "O"
>flavor.

That was the problem. The version in the Ubuntu repos was not the G
version. Thanks for pointing that out.

However, not all of the features are working, or maybe I don't
understand how to use them. All ligature styles, small caps, old style
numerals and fractions are working. But the fancy No. and the 1st
options do nothing. And the superscript and subscript options don't
work either, nor do the slashed zero or minus sign, and the en-dash
correction just adds a space after a hyphen instead of converting it to
an en-dash with spaces.

I'm also curious why this works only with the LinuxLibertineG fonts.
Adobe InDesign had these features 14 years ago, and they have always
worked with any OTF font installed on the computer, assuming the font
has the required glyphs properly encoded with the correct Unicode
values. I need to read up more on exactly what Graphite is.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Interlinear gloss layout

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:12:04 -0500
"T. R. Valentine"  dijo:

>Explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlinear_gloss
>
>One idea I have is to set centre-align tabs (hoping the distance
>between each tab set isn't too far for short words or too close for
>long words), use a line-break at the end of each line except the
>bottommost which would use a paragraph break with ample spacing below
>the paragraph and/or a line to separate each group of lines. (This
>would require using a tab between each word instead of a space.)
>
>The only other idea I have would be to use a table which would allow
>me to use a paragraph break to enter the details under the original
>text and then use a tab to move to the next cell, but I'd probably
>need one table per group of lines and constantly insert/delete cells
>as needed — which seems like a lot of layout work.
>
>Any better ideas? Any existing templates?

As a linguist I need to do this frequently. In the past I have just set
up a zillion tabs at a tenth of an inch apart. I saved this to a style
that I based on my default style, so the gloss style provides the same
appearance as regular text, except for the tabs.

However, you suggested center alignment for the tabs, which doesn't
make sense to me. Don't you want the left edge of each morpheme lined
up with the left edge of the word on the gloss line?

I should also add that Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) has a
plugin or extension or something for LO/OO that says it is supposed to
do this. I can't remember what it's called, and I have never tried it.
For religio-political reasons I keep my distance from SIL.

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[libreoffice-users] Sections are driving me nuts

[John Jason Jordan]

I have LO 3.5.7.2 on Xubuntu 12.04. I am creating a document that has
18 pages of front matter, after which I want to start page numbering (I
don't need numbers on the front matter). I want page 19 to be numbered
page 1.

Something seems to have happened between the last version of LO that I
used and this one. Now there are always a default footer and header that
appear when I mouse over them.

Page 21 starts with "Chapter 1" centered at the top of the page. I
placed the cursor in front of it and entered a section. However, doing
so added a line break so that "Chapter 1" is now on the second line. If
I delete the line break apparently it deletes the section marker. I'm
not sure of this, however, because I can't find a way to make section
markers visible. It might still be there, because if I try to insert a
section it shows Section 1 and assumes I want to label the new one
Section 2.

And assuming I can figure out how to enter a section without an added
line feed, or that my section is still there, how can I create a footer
that exists only in that section? And how do I enter a page number in
the footer with a -18 offset, because I already tried that and it won't
accept a negative number?

I tried the Help but it didn't explain any of these things. E.g., for
page number offset it just says "enter the number for the offset" - not
a word about negative numbers. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sections are driving me nuts

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:50:11 -0700
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>I have LO 3.5.7.2 on Xubuntu 12.04. I am creating a document that has
>18 pages of front matter, after which I want to start page numbering (I
>don't need numbers on the front matter). I want page 19 to be numbered
>page 1.

OK, I figured out that the footer is turned on in the page style.
That's cool, because I want a left and right page style anyway. I
modified the default left and right page styles to turn on the footer.

Then I applied the right page style to page 19 and the left page style
to page 20, after which I noticed that Writer had thoughtfully applied
right and left page styles to all the remaining pages in the document.
Cool.

Unfortunately, Writer also applied right and left page styles to the
first 18 pages also, so they now have the footer on them as well. I
don't want the footer on the first 18 pages. So I applied Default page
style to the first page, after which I noted that Writer had
thoughtfully applied default to page 2, and 3, and 4 ... and continuing
to the end of the document. No! I want only pages 1 - 18 to have the
Default page style. So I went to page 19 and reapplied right page, and
to page 20 and applied left page, and again Writer applied them to the
first 18 pages as well.

After some poking around I discovered that is controlled by the
Organizer tab, where you stipulate the following style. Unfortunately,
the selection is a drop-down that contains only the styles that
currently exist. You must choose one of them. There is no "None of the
above" option. Whatever you select, as soon as you apply that page
style to a page the style specified in the Organizer for the next page
will automatically be applied to the end of the document. 

What this boils down to is that all the pages in your document must
always be the same style. 

Should I just give up on Writer for this project?

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[libreoffice-users] How to stop toolbars from popping up

[John Jason Jordan]

LO on Xubuntu 12.04.

I am working on a long document with a lot of graphics and tables.
Every time I select a graphic the Graphics toolbar pops up, the screen
adjusts to make room for it, and it has become incredibly annoying. 

I realize some people might find this helpful, but if I want a toolbar
I'll open the toolbar, thank you. How can I stop this behavior?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to stop toolbars from popping up

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 07:44:03 +0100
Brian Barker  dijo:

>At 23:06 19/09/2013 -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>>LO on Xubuntu 12.04.
>>
>>I am working on a long document with a lot of graphics and tables. 
>>Every time I select a graphic the Graphics toolbar pops up, the 
>>screen adjusts to make room for it, and it has become incredibly
>>annoying.
>>
>>I realize some people might find this helpful, but if I want a 
>>toolbar I'll open the toolbar, thank you. How can I stop this
>>behavior?
>
>Try this:
>o Wait until the rogue toolbar appears automatically.
>o Don't close it using its "X" Close button, but instead go to View | 
>Toolbars > to turn it off.

That's what I needed. Thanks!

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[libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek

[John Jason Jordan]

LibreOffice 3.5.7.2 on Xubuntu 12.04.

I'm trying set up a paragraph style, and maybe a text style, to type in
Greek on my normally American English computer. I only need this for
homework in the Ancient Greek class I am taking.

I have installed openoffice.org-l10n.el and libreoffice-l10n.el (they
came together) and restarted LO, but that hasn't helped. 

I cloned my Default paragraph style, naming the clone "Default - Greek"
and then modified Default-Greek to change the language settings under
the Font tab to Ancient Greek. After applying this style to a paragraph
all typing in that paragraph ought to come out in Greek letters, right?
Well, I still get just English. And the style is definitely applied; it
says so in the formatting toolbar. And the font (Junicode) definitely
has a full set of Greek glyphs, properly encoded.

What have I missed?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:53:16 -0700
Joel Madero  dijo:

>> What have I missed?
>>
>http://superuser.com/questions/28932/how-do-i-input-greek-characters-in-ubuntu
>
>You need to install the language and then change it with ibus (should 
>have a little keyboard icon in your taskbar somewhere).
>
>Google around for "xubuntu install language" but the above link gives 
>some guidance

Thanks to you and James for the suggestions, but it's still not working.

Note that I am using Xubuntu, not Ubuntu. Gnome is not installed,
except for those components that Xfce uses, or perhaps required by some
application. 

I found Language Support under Applications > Settings. It pops up a
little window with a list of languages. English (United States), and
under it English are both in black text. Immediately under them is what
appears to be Greek, transliterated: "Elleniká," but it's grayed out and
cannot be selected. 

There is a button for Install/Remove Languages. It shows both English
and Modern Greek with a check box in them after I used the GUI to
install the Modern Greek (no Ancient or Classical Greek option, but
Modern Greek is probably close enough for now). I also logged out and
back in again, but the GUI still shows Elleniká grayed out. The input
method was set to None, so I changed it to Ibus, and again I logged out
and back in, but still no joy.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 15:07:37 +1300
Steve Edmonds  dijo:

>> Joel Madero  dijo:
>>
 What have I missed?

>>> http://superuser.com/questions/28932/how-do-i-input-greek-characters-in-ubuntu
>>>
>>> You need to install the language and then change it with ibus
>>> (should have a little keyboard icon in your taskbar somewhere).
>>>
>>> Google around for "xubuntu install language" but the above link
>>> gives some guidance
>> Thanks to you and James for the suggestions, but it's still not
>> working.
>>
>> Note that I am using Xubuntu, not Ubuntu. Gnome is not installed,
>> except for those components that Xfce uses, or perhaps required by
>> some application.
>>
>> I found Language Support under Applications > Settings. It pops up a
>> little window with a list of languages. English (United States), and
>> under it English are both in black text. Immediately under them is
>> what appears to be Greek, transliterated: "Elleniká," but it's
>> grayed out and cannot be selected.
>>
>> There is a button for Install/Remove Languages. It shows both English
>> and Modern Greek with a check box in them after I used the GUI to
>> install the Modern Greek (no Ancient or Classical Greek option, but
>> Modern Greek is probably close enough for now). I also logged out and
>> back in again, but the GUI still shows Elleniká grayed out. The input
>> method was set to None, so I changed it to Ibus, and again I logged
>> out and back in, but still no joy.

>Can you use greek in any other application. May be get that working 
>system wide and then see about getting it working in LO.

No, I  cannot type in Greek in any application, unless I use "insert
character" or use Ctrl-Shift-u +Unicode value. This is a real pain.

I also asked on the Xfce forums last night. I just checked the post -
15 people had read it and there were no replies.

A long time ago when I used Gnome it was trivially easy. But how in the
heck do you install a second keyboard in Xfce?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 20:11:21 -0700
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>A long time ago when I used Gnome it was trivially easy. But how in the
>heck do you install a second keyboard in Xfce?

I finally found the answer here:

http://tinyurl.com/pt7l4w2

This sets up an icon (or text) in the Xfce panel. You can switch
input languages by clicking on the icon/text, or you can assign a
hotkey shortcut to switch languages. 

Having done that I can now enter Greek in a LO Writer document, or any
other application on the computer. I assigned a shortcut so that I can
switch back and forth between US English and Greek as I'm typing.

At first I was perplexed because some of the keys seemed to give me the
Greek glyphs that sound similar to the English letters, e.g., t gives
me a tau, but the s only gave me upper- and regular lowercase sigma, not
the word-ending sigma. Later I found an image of a real Greek keyboard
and discovered that the word-ending sigma is the w key. I need to print
myself a picture of a real Greek keyboard and post it above my monitor
for reference until I get the hang of touch typing in Greek. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:44:51 -0700
Joel Madero  dijo:

>> At first I was perplexed because some of the keys seemed to give me
>> the Greek glyphs that sound similar to the English letters, e.g., t
>> gives me a tau, but the s only gave me upper- and regular lowercase
>> sigma, not the word-ending sigma. Later I found an image of a real
>> Greek keyboard and discovered that the word-ending sigma is the w
>> key. I need to print myself a picture of a real Greek keyboard and
>> post it above my monitor for reference until I get the hang of touch
>> typing in Greek.

>if there is an itrans version then you just type like English and it 
>translates it to the equivalent sound in Greek. I use this for Telugu 
>and it's pretty amazing.

I don't know if there is an itrans version or not, but I can't imagine
that it would work anyway. The Greek letter sigma is more or less
equivalent to English s, but there are two lowercase glyphs, one used
in the middle of the word and the other only at the end of a word. How
would a keyboard based on sound know whether I was at the end of the
word or not?

Then there are the aspirated consonants phi, theta and chi. There are
no equivalent letters for those sounds in English.

But for the most part the keyboard is similar to the English as far as
sound is concerned. It won't be that bad learning how to type Greek on
a US English keyboard.

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[libreoffice-users] Calc - Amortization

[John Jason Jordan]

I use Writer daily, but practically never use Calc, so I am pretty
helpless. Now I have a problem that calls for a spreadsheet;
actually, a script or plug-in or something to Calc.

The problem is that I need to calculate an amortization chart for a
loan of regular payments with an odd number of months, where the
interest is calculated monthly rather than on a daily basis. When the
loan was first made the term was supposed to be 300 months, but the
amount of the payment was miscalculated, so the borrower has been paying
slightly more. Using an HP-12C (yes, I still have one, and it still
works!) I find that it will amortize in slightly less than 299 months.
In order to find the true balance at any given time a custom chart must
be created.

I tried online services, but they cannot handle a mess like this. I
also tried Google Docs, but I can't find even basic help information,
like how to write  x 045 / 12, or how to make the expression
do the calculation. 

I could do this manually in Calc, one row at a time (ugh!), but I was
hoping that there existed a script or something that would set it up
for me and do all the calculations. I tried the LO extensions web page,
but couldn't find anything. 

Any ideas or suggestions?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Amortization

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 18:05:54 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies  dijo:

>Going with the line-by-line approach but with a fast twist.  

Thanks, that worked great - all except for the dates column. But I can
just enter the date manually for the first of each year and leave the
rest of the months blank - it's easy enough to count down from January
if I need a month in the middle.

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[libreoffice-users] Error saving the document ...

[John Jason Jordan]

Writer document of a little over one page that has been saved
repeatedly without a problem as I created it over the past two days. It
is almost finished, and suddenly I got:

Error saving the document :
Write Error.
Error in writing sub-document content.xml.

I also tried Save As, but get the same error message. 

Then I did Select All (Ctrl-a) intending to copy it all and paste it
into a new document. Writer locked up, and a few moments later Xubuntu
popped up a Crash Report Detected message. And then the Writer window
disappeared from the screen.

I re-launched Writer and got the recovery screen. I clicked on Start
Recovery and it recovered the document, sans the last half hour of
work. I typed a couple characters and saved it again without issue, so
apparently the recovered document is saving fine now.

I have used OOo and LO since about 2000, and I have never had a
crash before. This is version 3.5.7.2 that came with Xubuntu. 

The document in question is just text, about half in tables. Some
cells are in Greek and some in English. 

Can someone translate the above error message for me? What might have
caused it? 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error saving the document ...

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 03:53:14 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies  dijo:

>Hi :)
>I am not sure what the problem is but might be able to shed some light
>on the error message.  
>
>If you create a copy of the file and rename the file-name's ending
>from .odt to .zip and then double-click on the .zip then the file
>opens in your archive manager. (Ok, so in Xubuntu and most other
>Gnu&Linuxes (Linii?) that can be done without renaming the
>file-ending.  Just right-click and choose "Open With" - "Archive
>Manager")
>
>You will now see several .xml files and several folders (such as
>"images") inside your file.  The number 1 most crucial file is the
>"contents.xml", which you can open with a text-editor such as Leafpad.
> Somewhere in Leafpad it tells you that the file is open as a "Plain
>text" file.  Click on that and a drop-down should appear allowing you
>to choose different languages and hopefully one of those is "xml".  If
>you choose "xml" then Leafpad cleverly figures out all the different
>bits of xml-coding and colour codes them allowing you to more easily
>spot the real text you typed in buried in amongst all the xml coding.  
>
>My guess is that somehow Writer managed to get in a muddle and
>stuffed-up it's coding somehow.  Perhaps a coding bracket didn't get
>closed or something else weird.  I think i vaguely remember something
>like this happening once before in the last 3 years but it's a tad
>rare.  

Thanks for the explanation. If it happens again I'll try File Roller or
something. 

In the meantime, I think I know what caused it. I had been typing in
Greek and suddenly needed a gave accent over an iota. Silly me, I am
new to Greek keyboards and did not realize that the Greek (Simple)
keyboard I was using did not have polytonic diacritics. Being in a
hurry I just used Insert Character and placed a gave accent on the iota
as a combining diacritic. It was shortly thereafter that I discovered
that I could not save the document.

Now, I have been using combining diacritics with LibreOffice and
formerly with OpenOffice.org for many years, and there has never been a
problem. I work in linguistics where I need several dozen different
diacritics that compose keys never heard of. Ctrl-Shift-u is ingrained
into my fingers and I keep a list of the code points at hand. I use a
*lot* of combining diacritics, so if I say there has never been a
problem, I mean the system has always been rock solid. I am a bit
worried that this experience might mean that something has changed and
a bug has been introduced.

And speaking of Ctrl-Shift-u, it doesn't work when the Greek keyboard
is selected. Nor does Ctrl-Shift-upsilon (the u key actually produces
a theta). I had to use Insert Character instead to add my combining
diacritic. I suppose I need to find a Linux help page for Greek users
in order to learn what the equivalent key combination is on a Greek
keyboard. Except I'm just beginning Greek and the instructions would be,
umm ... Greek to me.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Softmaker

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:30:24 -0500
"Virgil Arrington"  dijo:

>FreeOffice is interesting. In many ways, it resembles LO or OOo. Does
>anyone know if it was some form of fork or dirivative?

You can download a free version for Linux or Windows; I didn't see a
Mac option. 

It appears to be a completely independent creation, not a fork of
LO/OO. It's main claim is that it imports/exports MS Office files more
faithfully than LO/OO. Also, there are programs for the functionality of
Writer, Calc and Impress, but nothing for Base. 

I downloaded the free version, and then decided not to bother
installing it. After all, LO does everything I need, so why bother?
Still, it would be interesting to read a detailed comparative review.
For example, I bet there is no plugin for Zotero and other tools that
I rely on, but I'd like to read the good and the bad without having to
install it and spend hours poking around. 

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[libreoffice-users] Theme madness - Help!

[John Jason Jordan]

I have been using SO/OO/LO since StarOffice 0.9, with the latest
version being 4.1.3.2 on Xubuntu 13.10. In all that time I have never
had problems with the appearance of menus, background colors, etc. But
now suddenly the appearance is horribly wrong. Menu fonts are in some
very large font but hard to read because the strokes are extremely
thin. Some icons, e.g. the format painter icon, are a Greek character. 

I tried to change the theme, but was taken to a Firefox page with
hundreds of themes, all of which looked even worse than the mess I
have now, although I must confess that I was so disgusted that I stopped
looking after a couple pages.

My previous version was 3.5.7.2 from the repos on Xubuntu 12.04. How
can I get a clean, uncluttered look back, like I had before?

I might add that for a long time I have used only a customized
formatting toolbar (all others turned off), which I keep in a square
window off to the right. I opened up LO just now and it was still off
to the right, but had reverted to a single line. What is going on with
my settings?

Should I uninstall the version from the Ubuntu repository and install
the version from LO instead? 

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[libreoffice-users] Format paintbrush broken

[John Jason Jordan]

I have LO 4.1.3.2 on Xubuntu 13.10, and previously used earlier versions
for many years on other distros and operating systems. The format
paintbrush always worked before, but now nothing happens. For example,
I place the cursor in a paragraph to which First Line Indent paragraph
style has been applied, click on the Format Paintbrush icon (which
makes the icon appear depressed), and then click on a paragraph which
has the Default style, and the paragraph remains in the Default style.
I have tried this with many other types of formatting and none of the
formatting of the first paragraph is applied to the second.

Bug? Or am I doing something wrong? How can I get my format paintbrush
back?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Format paintbrush broken

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 00:00:12 +0100
Regina Henschel  dijo:

>Hi John,
>
>John Jason Jordan schrieb:
>> I have LO 4.1.3.2 on Xubuntu 13.10, and previously used earlier
>> versions for many years on other distros and operating systems. The
>> format paintbrush always worked before, but now nothing happens. For
>> example, I place the cursor in a paragraph to which First Line
>> Indent paragraph style has been applied, click on the Format
>> Paintbrush icon (which makes the icon appear depressed), and then
>> click on a paragraph which has the Default style, and the paragraph
>> remains in the Default style. I have tried this with many other
>> types of formatting and none of the formatting of the first
>> paragraph is applied to the second.
>>
>> Bug? Or am I doing something wrong? How can I get my format
>> paintbrush back?
>>
>
>There are several ways to use the format paintbrush. For details see 
>help 
>https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Copying_Attributes_With_the_Format_Paintbrush

Thank you. Apparently there has been a change between the previous
version and 4.1.3.2. In the past it applied all formatting; now it
applies only character formatting unless you hold down Ctrl. I'm not
sure I like this change, because I only ever use it to apply paragraph
formatting and now I have to remember to hold down Ctrl. It's probably
a good thing to separate character formatting from paragraph
formatting, but paragraph formatting is the far more common use of
format paintbrush, so that should have been the default, not character
formatting.

Oh well. At least I know it's not a bug.

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[libreoffice-users] Keyboard shortcuts

[John Jason Jordan]

I am using LibreOffice 4.1.3.2, installed from the repos, on Xubuntu
13.10, but on my old computer it was whatever was in the repos for
Xubuntu 12.04, and the problem was the same. I just decided that it was
time to fix it.

The problem is that some keyboard shortcuts are not working,
specifically Ctrl-F12 (opens insert table dialog box) and
Ctrl-Shift-End / Ctrl-Shift-Home (selects to end / beginning of
document). However, Ctrl-Shift-Right / Left Arrow select to the
end / beginning of the current word, as they are supposed to, as does
Ctrl-a (select all).

I have checked in the settings editor for Xubuntu and Ctrl-F12 is set
to "Workspace 12", although I have only two workspaces enabled, and I
can't tell if "Workspace 12" is just part of a preconfigured list where
it is not actually enabled, or whether anything in the list is
automatically enabled. I also can't figure out what the keyboard
shortcut list in the settings editor actually does - e.g., if a document
window is open do the settings editor preferences override the
application keyboard shortcuts, or the other way around? 

As for Ctrl-Shift-End and Ctrl-Shift-Home, neither is listed in the
Xubuntu settings editor, so they should be completely free for
applications. More importantly, these two shortcuts do not work in
Gedit or my mail client's compose window either, although I can't check
the Ctrl-F12 in them because these applications have no table function.
And all of these shortcuts are enabled in the LO customization dialog
box. 

I'm tired of having to use the mouse/menus to select to the
beginning / end of a document or open the insert table dialog window.
Does anyone have any suggestions for places to poke around in? Can
anyone with LO on a 'buntu duplicate the problem?

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[libreoffice-users] Writer table - centering graphic

[John Jason Jordan]

I have a graphic and a two-line caption that I need to center in a cell
in a table in Writer, both vertically and horizontally. I cant get the
right combination of options to accomplish this:

Alignment - page, paragraph, character, as character - which?
Caption - I need it on top, and part of the graphic frame.

I think the caption becomes part of the frame, so it is the frame that
I need to center vertically and horizontally in the cell, not just the
graphic. 

Does anyone know how to do this?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 'exporting' Odt into Scribus

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:11:47 +
Tom Davies  dijo:

>I do my company newsletter in Writer but want to do the finishing
>touches in Scribus.

The proper way to do this is to do your writing in Writer and then use
the ODT import ability of Scribus. You can use styles in your ODT
document and Scribus will import them. After importing you can use the
advanced text features of Scribus to enhance the styles. 

However, layout programs like Scribus will not import much more, e.g.
footnotes, page numbering, margins and such will be discarded, so
don't bother formatting in Writer beyond styles. But that's what you
want; you want to do the writing in LO and the layout in Scribus. 

You can actually do the writing in Scribus as well, but Scribus lacks
some of the word processor features that Writer has such as autocorrect,
drag and drop text, and lots more. 

There's a lot more to say about a marriage of Scribus and LO for
newsletters and other format-heavy documents, but this is not a Scribus
mailing list. I suggest you subscribe to the Scribus listserve: 

Scribus Mailing List: scri...@lists.scribus.net
Edit your options or unsubscribe:
http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus
See also:
http://wiki.scribus.net
http://forums.scribus.net

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[libreoffice-users] Printer always selects "PDF" instead of Postscript

[John Jason Jordan]

Libreoffice 3.4.4 on Fedora 16, x86_64.
Printer: Laserjet 4M+ (Postscript Level 2)

I used OOo for many years and never had this problem until I switched
to Libreoffice.

Whenever I print to this printer I must remember to go into Properties>
Options > Device and change the print type from PDF to Postscript. If
I do not the text will fail to be kerned according to the font metrics;
that is, a proportional font will be spaced as though it was a
monospace font.

All other applications print fine. There is no setting for this in the
driver, which uses a PPD file.

I looked everywhere for a setting to set it to use Postscript as the
default, but I can't find it.

It is extra work to have to change this setting all the time. And
usually I forget to change the setting and have to print the page again
after I realize that I forgot. This is very annoying, and it wastes
paper, toner and electricity.

I really hope someone can tell me how to change the default behavior,
else I will have to remove Libreoffice and reinstall OOo.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer always selects "PDF" instead of Postscript

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:05:19 -0500
webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
dijo:

>I am sorry you are not getting any help.  I wonder it it is an
>isolated issue for Fedora 16.  If people have not see this happen
>before, it is hard to figure out what is causing it.
>
>So is there any issues with printing/exporting the file to PDF then 
>printing it out to your printer?   Do your file require Postscript 
>printing instead of HP default printer language?

Exporting to PDF and then printing with Okular, Evince, Adobe Reader,
or other PDF viewers works fine. But that is more work than just
clicking the Print button, or even wading through the Print dialog box
tabs and menus to change the default behavior.

The problem is that there is a new "PDF" setting in the print dialog
box. It used to be on OOo that the default was to use whatever print
options were set according to the driver you selected in CUPS
(Postscript, Gutenprint, PCL, etc.). Now you have to go into General
tab > Properties > Device > tab > Printer language type > where it
gives you the options:

*PDF
Postscript - level from driver
Postscript - level 1
Postscript - level 2
Postscript - level 3

And it is set to PDF by default. And the PDF option is broken - it does
not use the font metrics built into the font, so characters print as
though the font were a monospaced font. A word like "limit" comes out
looking a bit like "l i mi t" (except that the second i is actually
smashed into the m). Otherwise the printing is fine. And it uses the
font metrics correctly if I manually select Postscript - level from
driver, or Postscript level 1 or 2. It's just that the option is buried
several clicks deep in the Print dialog box and I keep forgetting to
change it from the default "PDF." Also, it does this with all fonts.

I don't know why there is a "PDF" option in the Device tab, because
only a handful of very expensive late model high end printers actually
have the new Adobe PDF print engine built in. I'm talking printers
costing $5,000 and up.

If I write the document with Abiword, Kword, or any other word
processor, it prints fine just by clicking the Print button.

I wish I could post screen shots of the Device tab in the Print dialog
box so you could see exactly what I am talking about. Even better would
be if I could add screen shots of the Print dialog box from OOo where
this problem did not exist. But OOo is not currently installed on my
computer, having switched to Libreoffice after upgrading from Fedora 14
to Fedora 16.

I just need to find a setting to change the default from "PDF" to
"Postscript - level from driver" or "Postscript - level 2." It would be
OK if Libreoffice would just remember the setting from last time I
printed, but with each new document it has to be set again. If it's
hard coded I'm probably going to have to uninstall Libreoffice and go
back to OOo because I'm tired of wasting time, paper and toner every
time I forget to change it.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer always selects "PDF" instead of Postscript

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:08:16 -0500
"Don C. Myers"  dijo:

>Hi,
>
>I have been following this thread, and quite honestly, I have never
>seen this issue. I've been using LibreOffice since the first 3.3.x
>version, through all of the updates to presently 3.4.5. I have it on
>at least 9 machines. All of the machines have been upgraded through
>Ubuntu 10.10. 11.04, and presently 11.10. I always run the version
>directly downloaded from LibreOffice, and not the repository version
>from Ubuntu. In all versions of LibreOffice on all versions of Ubuntu
>listed above. when I click print, the default printer for the system
>is always selected. None of these machines are networked together.
>They are in 5 different physical locations. On the main tool bar in
>LibreOffice, I always replace the Print File Directly icon with the
>Print File icon. That is just my preference. When I click the Print
>icon, whatever printer is the default on that particular system always
>shows as the default printer that LibreOffice will print to. In Ubuntu
>11.04 and 11.10 I am using the Unity desktop. The only thing I can
>think of is there is some sort of a conflict between Fedora 16 and
>LibreOffice that is preventing the default printer for your system
>from being the default for LibreOffice.
>
>Don
>
>On 01/24/2012 12:30 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:05:19 -0500
>> webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
>> dijo:
>>
>>> I am sorry you are not getting any help.  I wonder it it is an
>>> isolated issue for Fedora 16.  If people have not see this happen
>>> before, it is hard to figure out what is causing it.
>>>
>>> So is there any issues with printing/exporting the file to PDF then
>>> printing it out to your printer?   Do your file require Postscript
>>> printing instead of HP default printer language?
>> Exporting to PDF and then printing with Okular, Evince, Adobe Reader,
>> or other PDF viewers works fine. But that is more work than just
>> clicking the Print button, or even wading through the Print dialog
>> box tabs and menus to change the default behavior.
>>
>> The problem is that there is a new "PDF" setting in the print dialog
>> box. It used to be on OOo that the default was to use whatever print
>> options were set according to the driver you selected in CUPS
>> (Postscript, Gutenprint, PCL, etc.). Now you have to go into General
>> tab>  Properties>  Device>  tab>  Printer language type>  where it
>> gives you the options:
>>
>> *PDF
>> Postscript - level from driver
>> Postscript - level 1
>> Postscript - level 2
>> Postscript - level 3
>>
>> And it is set to PDF by default. And the PDF option is broken - it
>> does not use the font metrics built into the font, so characters
>> print as though the font were a monospaced font. A word like "limit"
>> comes out looking a bit like "l i mi t" (except that the second i is
>> actually smashed into the m). Otherwise the printing is fine. And it
>> uses the font metrics correctly if I manually select Postscript -
>> level from driver, or Postscript level 1 or 2. It's just that the
>> option is buried several clicks deep in the Print dialog box and I
>> keep forgetting to change it from the default "PDF." Also, it does
>> this with all fonts.
>>
>> I don't know why there is a "PDF" option in the Device tab, because
>> only a handful of very expensive late model high end printers
>> actually have the new Adobe PDF print engine built in. I'm talking
>> printers costing $5,000 and up.
>>
>> If I write the document with Abiword, Kword, or any other word
>> processor, it prints fine just by clicking the Print button.
>>
>> I wish I could post screen shots of the Device tab in the Print
>> dialog box so you could see exactly what I am talking about. Even
>> better would be if I could add screen shots of the Print dialog box
>> from OOo where this problem did not exist. But OOo is not currently
>> installed on my computer, having switched to Libreoffice after
>> upgrading from Fedora 14 to Fedora 16.
>>
>> I just need to find a setting to change the default from "PDF" to
>> "Postscript - level from driver" or "Postscript - level 2." It would
>> be OK if Libreoffice would just remember the setting from last time I
>> printed, but with each new document it has to be set again. If it's
>> hard coded I'm probably going to have to uninstall Libreoffice and go
>> back to OOo because I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Printer always selects "PDF" instead of Postscript

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:50:34 -0800 (PST)
Tom  dijo:

>Hi :)
>Have you already opsted a bug-report about this?  If not this link
>might help
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

Haven't posted a bug report yet. Hoping that it is a setting that I can
change. But thanks for the link. If I can't figure out a solution (or
even if there is a solution but the user interface needs to be changed)
I will definitely file a bug report.

>We have just had a weird question that shows differences with LO's
>dialogues in different DEs (Desktop Environments).  A dialogue in KDE
>ws very different from what everyone else gets.  Are you using KDE too?

I am using Xfce, although Gnome 3 and KDE-whatever are also installed.
But i doubt very much that this is a DE problem. The appearance of the
dialog boxes might be different (size, color, borders, etc.), but the
options should always be the same, right?

As an unrelated issue, since my early days with Ubuntu Breezy (yes,
that many years ago), OOo has never taken the window focus properly. I
restore the program from the panel and it does not get the focus until
I click on it. This annoying behavior has persisted through my travels
through OpenSuse, Debian, Fedora, and KDE, Gnome, and now Xfce, and
continues after moving from OOo to Libreoffice. 

At the moment I have a Firefox window on the desktop, my mail client,
and Libreoffice Writer, with the mail client in the foreground, since
it is what I am using right now. If I click on Libreoffice Writer in
the panel the Writer window moves to the top, but does not get focus.
It's the failure to take focus that is annoying. But this is off-topic
for the present thread. I just wanted to say that when I get around to
filing bug reports I should report this one as well, although
considering its senescence I suspect it has already been filed
repeatedly.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Printer always selects "PDF" instead of Postscript

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:31:47 -0500
Jay Lozier  dijo:

>On 02/01/2012 05:45 PM, TJ wrote:
>> On 01/25/2012 01:56 PM, Don C. Myers wrote:
>> I'm using LibreOffice 3.4.4 from the Mageia 1 repositories with KDE, 
>> trying to print to a Deskjet 5650 printer, and I'm having problems 
>> with this, too. My problem is related to that experienced by the
>> Arch user in your second link, in that landscape -oriented
>> spreadsheets from Calc aren't printing properly - to say the least.
>> Mine prints fine until it gets to the 8.5 inch mark, then it prints
>> a truncated version of the last column over and over until the edge
>> of the paper. Print Preview looks fine, and while I haven't tried it
>> yet I suspect printing to a pdf file would work, too.
>>
>> Changing the printer language to Postscript fixes it. I haven't 
>> noticed the problem with other applications yet, but then I don't 
>> print much as a regular rule, just this time of year.
>>
>> I didn't have the problem last year, when I was using Mandriva
>> 2010.2 and OpenOffice.
>>
>> I can try to remember to change the printer language on every
>> document I make in the future, but like Mr. Jordan I think it's a
>> pain in the butt to remember to change it if I go to print old
>> documents. I tried running spadmin as root to change the default,
>> but for some reason Mageia wouldn't do it. Probably just as well, as
>> I'm very much out of my element when it comes to command line
>> noodling.
>>
>> It shouldn't have to be that way, anyway. There should be an easy
>> way to make Postscript the default, if you want.

>I have not noticed any problems printing from Linux Mint 12. I would 
>check the default printer settings and test the printer with another 
>non-LO program to see if the problem is with the printer set up. The 
>printer could be set up to default everywhere to pdf not to postscript.

Let me clarify a few things.

I first noticed this when printing to a Laserjet 4M+. I also have a
5SiMx, an 8000DN, and a Xerox Phaser 7400DN. The problem happens with
most of them. And I have several "printers" installed for each physical
printer, and it doesn't matter which one I select. I always get text
with the font metrics messed up. 

This problem does not occur with any other program. This includes
Abiword, Kword, Gedit, and Scribus - the usual programs I use for
printing text. It did not occur with OpenOffice.org. I do not know if
OOo used the same default to PDF as LibreOffice, and I cannot easily
check because it is no longer installed. 

I could wipe out Fedora 16 and install Linux Mint, but the last time I
changed distros it took almost a week to get everything reinstalled and 
reconfigured back the way I had it. I have a zillion programs
installed, some of which took hours of tweaking to get them running.
And I require these programs for my work. So, for now at least, I'm
stuck with Fedora 16. Besides, I don't think the problem is in Fedora. 

>From reading others' responses it appears that all we need to do is
change the default from PDF to Postscript. 

I should add that just today I discovered another problem. I needed to
print six copies of a one-page document (to give a paper copy to six
different people). I remembered to check "Postscript," but when the
copies came out of the printer copy 2 was on the back of copy 1, copy 4
on the back of copy 3, and copy 6 on the back of copy 5. The only ways
I can find to stop this behavior were to print one copy and click on the
Print button six times, or disable the duplexer in the printer and try
to remember to re-enable it afterward. LAME. But I will post this under
another thread later. It's time for bed.

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[libreoffice-users] Can't find folder for templates

[John Jason Jordan]

Over many years with OOo I created 20-30 templates. I can always open a
new document based on any of these templates. Today I needed to create
a new template in LibreOffice 3.4.5 on Fedora 16, x86_64. This is the
version from the Fedora repositories.

I successfully created the template and saved it, but it does not
appear when I try to create a new document based on it. I suspect it is
in the wrong folder, but I can't figure out where the correct folder
is, or why it wasn't saved automatically to the correct folder. I
specifically saved it as a template with the extension .ott.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can't find folder for templates

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:30:40 -0800 (PST)
Andreas Säger  dijo:

>File>Templates>Save... will store the template in the right directory
>File>Templates>and
>register it so it appears in File>New>Templates and in
>File>Templates>Organize...
>Tools>Options>Paths shows all the paths used by the office suite.

Thanks. Problem solved.

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[libreoffice-users] Unable to edit contour

[John Jason Jordan]

I have inserted a JPG file into a Writer document. I right-click on the
picture, select Wrap > Edit contour. A window pops up to edit the
contour. I need to enlarge the contour all around the image so the text
is offset further. The Edit contour window has no space around the
edges in which to place a rectangle, that is, the image fills the Edit
contour window. Enlarging the Edit contour window enlarges the image as
well, so there is still no space outside of the image to draw a
rectangle. And for that matter, I can select the Rectangle tool, but no
rectangle is drawn.

I have LibreOffice 3.4.5 OOO340m1 (Build:502) on Fedora 16, x86_64. I
hope someone can help.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Unable to edit contour

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:59:08 +0200
Regina Henschel  dijo:

>Hi John,
>
>John Jason Jordan schrieb:
>> I have inserted a JPG file into a Writer document. I right-click on
>> the picture, select Wrap>  Edit contour. A window pops up to edit the
>> contour. I need to enlarge the contour all around the image so the
>> text is offset further.
>
>That sounds as if you use the wrong tool. The purpose of the contour
>is to set parts of the picture to transparent and allow text to float
>into this area.
>
>To set a distance margin between picture and text use the setting 
>"Spacing" in the dialog page "Wrap" in the property dialog of the
>picture.

Thanks. That got me part way there.

The picture is aligned to the paragraph at the right border of the
page and is about half the width of the page. I needed to add space
around the bottom and the left edges. I added six points to the bottom
and it moved the caption down correctly, but did not move the text
below the caption. I added points to the left and the text did not move
at all until I added 20 points, and then the picture suddenly re-scaled
to half its original size. Apparently I am in a setting for moving the
caption, not the text around the picture. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Unable to edit contour

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:43:42 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies  dijo:

>Hi :)
>Ah, you might have a border (called a frame probably) that goes all
>around the caption&picture.  If you can click on the grey border then
>it should allow you to set wrap options there too. Regards from Tom :)

There is no border.

Every time I try to change the settings the picture suddenly resizes to
about half the size I set it to. This can't be by design. The problem
is a bug. Unfortunately, it renders LibreOffice useless for my work, so
I'll have to use something else. Maybe I can uninstall it and go back
to OpenOffice.org.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Unable to edit contour

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:47:40 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies  dijo:

>Hi :)
>The grey"not-border" might be hidden if you are not showing
>non-printing characters.  Do you see lots of backwards P signs, each
>indicating the end of a paragraph? Regards from Tom :)
>
>
>--- On Wed, 25/4/12, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
>
>From: John Jason Jordan 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Unable to edit contour
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Date: Wednesday, 25 April, 2012, 17:26
>
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:43:42 +0100 (BST)
>Tom Davies  dijo:
>
>>Hi :)
>>Ah, you might have a border (called a frame probably) that goes all
>>around the caption&picture.  If you can click on the grey border then
>>it should allow you to set wrap options there too. Regards from Tom :)
>
>There is no border.
>
>Every time I try to change the settings the picture suddenly resizes to
>about half the size I set it to. This can't be by design. The problem
>is a bug. Unfortunately, it renders LibreOffice useless for my work, so
>I'll have to use something else. Maybe I can uninstall it and go back
>to OpenOffice.org.

At this time I have given up on LibreOffice. However, in the interests
of bug-fixing, here is the image that I placed in the document:

Iberian Peninsula 1037-1270. (n.d.).Historical Maps Overview. Retrieved
April 24, 2012, from http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/maps/1270spain.jpg

At the point where I gave up the document had two paragraphs, with the
above image (saved to file from the website and placed in the document
with Insert > Picture > From File), anchored to the second paragraph and
set to the right margin. I scaled the image to width of 290 pts with
"keep ratio." I added a caption below the image.

If I right-click on the image and select Picture I get a popup window.
Under the Type tab is where I scaled the image. Under the Wrap tab I
set it to 10 pts top, 10 pts left, 0 pts right, and 6 pts bottom. The
latter moved the caption down 6 points, but did not change the wrap of
the text in the paragraph surrounding the image, nor did any of the
other settings change the offset of the text in the surrounding
paragraph. 

If I change the left offset to 20 points, as soon as I click on OK it
re-scales the image to about half its former size. This is why I say it
is a bug. This should never happen.

There are no borders and the background tab is set to the default "no
fill."

I have LibreOffice 3.4.5 OOO340m1 (Build:502) on Fedora 16, x86_64.
This version was installed from the Fedora repositories and is the
latest.

I encourage you to see if you can reproduce the issue. 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to edit contour

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:29:21 -0700 (PDT)
Tom  dijo:

>Hi :)
>I have uploaded a document to Nabble to try to show what i think you
>are aiming for
>http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3940021/Spain-2012-04-26.odt
>Spain-2012-04-26.odt 
>
>Note that adding a caption put a frame around the picture.  Applying
>the Wrap - Spacing 
>to the picture tries to create space between the picture and the frame
>which creates a bit of confusion!  In the upload i have applied the
>spacing to the frame that is around the picture&caption.  
>
>Hopefully this gives you something you can copy&paste into to replace
>the caption and the main body-text.  

Tom,

Thanks for figuring it out. Indeed, it was the caption frame that was
causing the offset to fail. It took some poking with the mouse, but
eventually I was able to select the caption frame and set the wrap on
it. 

However, setting a wrap on the picture should not suddenly cause the
picture to re-scale, so there is definitely a bug. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Microsoft Core Fonts

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:23:35 +0200
Anthony Easthope  dijo:

>I was wondering what would be considered the core fonts on Microsoft.
>After  ages fruitless searching I was wondering if anybody could help
>me on what they would consider to be core fonts.
>I backed up my fonts folder from windows 7 before the change to ubuntu
>so I had all of them problem is I can not be bothered installing every
>single one of them!

If you're on Ubuntu there is a package that installs the Microsoft core
fonts. I can't remember the exact name, but a search in Synaptic
package manager should reveal the package name.

You can also install all of your old fonts with a single drag and drop.
Fonts available for a single user can be installed in ~/.fonts*. Just
drag them into the folder.

*Since I gather you are relatively new to Linux, "~/" is shorthand for
the user's home folder. For example, my username is jjj, so ~/
means /home/jjj/. 

If you don't have a ~/.fonts folder, just create it. Note the period in
front of the folder. In Linux "dot files" are invisible unless the user
turns on "show invisible files and folders."

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Writer won't let me manually hyphenate a name.

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:26:26 -0400
Eric Beversluis  dijo:

>I've got a name 'Bruinsma' that LO wants to hyphenate between the 'u' 
>and the 'i'. I'm trying to get it to hyphenate between the 'n' and the 
>'s'. LO won't let me. I go to tools->language->hyphenation with the
>word highlighted, but there's no way I can get it to move the hyphen.
>If I put my cursor where I want it to hyphenate and click 'hyphenate',
>it just closes the dialog and leaves the hyphen in the original place. 
>There also doesn't seem to be a way to tell LO not to hyphenate that 
>word at all.
>
>As I read the manuals, I should be able to just use 'ctrl plus -' to 
>manually place a hyphen. But this doesn't work either.

I don't know the answer to your question, but I'd like to point out
that in traditional typesetting proper names are not hyphenated. 

I have LO 4.2.7.2 on Xubuntu and Ctrl - does add a hyphen in 'Bruinsma'
as you wanted it to do. And the name does break on the optional hyphen
when I add text to force it beyond the end of the line.

Do I assume correctly that otherwise hyphenation is working as expected?

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Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:10:21 -0400
Malgosia Askanas  dijo:

>On 2015-07-18 04:02 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
>> The top reason people find hard is almost certainly that you have to
>> install it.
>
>That's not entirely accurate.  There are a few (not many) companies
>that specialize in selling Linux-preinstalled machines.  The two that 
>immediately come to mind are System76.com and ThinkPenguin.com .

My System76 Bonobo Extreme boots Xubuntu from cold to ready to go to
work in nine seconds. LO Writer launches instantly, less than one
second. It was designed for gaming, but I use it mostly for writing
academic papers.

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[libreoffice-users] Focus problem

[John Jason Jordan]

I have had LO (previously OOo) on my Linux computers since 2005 and I
have always had this problem, but today I finally decided to see if
there was a way to fix it. During that time I have had all kinds of
distros (Ubuntu mostly, but also Fedora, OpenSUSE, Debian, and others),
versions of distros, and desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, etc.). I
currently have Xubuntu 14.04, up to date with LO 4.3.8.2, from the
repository. I should add that during all these years I have
occasionally used the official release from OOo or LO, but the focus
problem remains.

By 'focus problem' I mean that when I restore LO from having been
minimized to the panel the LO window does not take the focus like all
other programs do. I have to click somewhere on the window to get it to
take the focus. Until I click on the window I can't type in the
document. This also means that if I restored the window to the
desktop and try to minimize it again right away it won't minimize
just by clicking on the icon in the panel until I click on the window
to get it to take the focus. Also, if I have the LO window on the
desktop and am using it, but temporarily switch to another window on
the desktop (as is the case right now where I am typing this message in
a window from my mail client), when the active window is minimized or
closed LO should take the focus again, but it does not.

Even if it can't be fixed I would like to know why this happens only
with LO. Any suggestions or insights welcome!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Focus problem

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 23:46:57 +0100
Philip Jackson  dijo:

>On 03/12/15 18:50, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>> By 'focus problem' I mean that when I restore LO from having been
>> minimized to the panel the LO window does not take the focus like all
>> other programs do. I have to click somewhere on the window to get it
>> to take the focus. Until I click on the window I can't type in the
>> document. 

>I've been using UbuntuStudio 1404 with LO 4.2.8.2 (again up to date
>from the repository) and I had never noticed this problem.  I have
>rechecked each of the points you raise above and in my case, the focus
>is always in the LO window just where required.
>
>I basically only use the spreadsheet and writer but for these two
>applications, I cannot reproduce any of the symptoms you describe.
>
>Since you have this problem for a long time, could it be down to
>hardware ?

The more I thought about it, the more I thought it must be an
addition, extension or some kind of add-on that I always use. Either
that or something in the way I have set up the layout. As for the
latter, I always use the LO window as a regular window (not full
screen), and I have the toolbars floating, usually only formatting
(customized), styles, and Zotero. Just now I tried an experiment. Of
the toolbars, the only one I have customized is the formatting toolbar,
so that was my first suspect. I disabled the formatting toolbar, and
voilà! My Writer window takes the focus as it is supposed to. 

Now to figure out why using a customized formatting toolbar causes this
problem. I suspect a bug, but before I can say for sure it would be
helpful if others here could see if customizing the formatting toolbar
causes the same problem. 

Here is a screenshot:


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Focus problem

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:05:47 -0800
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>Here is a screenshot:

Hmm. The screenshot didn't make it. Problem with the listserve?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Jumping cursor

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:18:37 -0500
charles meyer  dijo:

>I have a Toshiba Satellite laptop (about 7 years old) running Windows
>7. It runs fine and I have no issues with it.
>
>However, when I type in text in a blank document in either Libre
>Writer or Word 2003 I’ll complete a sentence or so and then suddenly
>the cursor and the last few characters I typed jumps somewhere else in
>the plain text document.
>
>I’m not hitting (intentionally) any key to make it do that – it just
>jumps around the document at will.
>
>It never does that on the desktop in Libre or Word suggesting it may
>be a Toshiba or laptop phenomena.
>
>Has anyone ever encountered this and if so how did you fix it?

Buy yourself a real mouse for the laptop and then disable the touchpad. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] APA Heading 3 that does not use paragraph style

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 5 May 2016 06:48:54 -0800
Marc Grober  dijo:

>The APA Publication Manual (Section 3.03, Pg 62) mandates a Heading 3
>style that that is bold and indented (1/2 an inch like a normal
>paragraph), and then followed on the same line by the text.

I believe there is a template for APA. Don't ask me where to find it,
however. And I don't know if it will solve your problem. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ancient Greek Extension Problem

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:24:31 -0700 (MST)
CVAlkan  dijo:

>One of my (other and many) gripes related to Attic Greek is that the
>same distinctions aren't very consistent in the font glyphs I have - I
>prefer the ancient form of the circumflex rather than the modern form
>which looks to me like a misplaced tilde. I guess I'm just too old to
>be satisfied anymore.

Might this be a problem with the font you are using?

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[libreoffice-users] LO won't open - claims Default.ott is corrupt

[John Jason Jordan]

LO 1:4.2-8-0ubuntu on Xubuntu 14.04, up to date

I have used LO (and formerly OO) on Ubuntu for ten years, and there has
rarely been a problem. 

Suddenly LO Writer would not open either of two files that I had been
working on. The error message popup said:

The file 'filename.odt' is corrupt and therefore cannot be
opened.
LibreOffice can try to repair the file.
The corruption could be the result of document manipulation or
of structural document damage due to data transmission.
We recommend that you do not trust the content of the repaired
document.
Execution of macros is disabled for this document.
Should LibreOffice repair the file?

Clicking on YES got the popup:

The file 'filename.odt' could not be repaired and therefore
cannot be opened.

This popup had only an OK button, and clicking on it got another popup:

General error.

The files were stored on a hard disk that was at the end of its
warranty and I was considering replacing it, so there is a possibility
that the files really were corrupt. But the disk had 4TB of other data
on it and none of it had appeared corrupted (yet), so I must
conclude that corruption is a possibility, but not necessarily true.

 At this point I copied the files from the suspect disk to a different
 drive (mSATA), and then tried to open them from there. But at this
 point Writer would not open at all. Writer and everything else is on
 the mSATA drive; the suspect drive is an external USB drive that is
 used strictly for data.

On trying to open Writer the error message was that Default.ott was
corrupt and do I want to try to repair it. Regardless of whether I said
Yes or No, I got a message "The file "Default.ott" could not be
repaired and therefore cannot be opened." There is only one button on
the message, "OK," and when I click on it I get a "General error" popup
message, and when I tried to open Writer again it would not even try to
open - nothing happened at all. However, the other components of the
suite (Impress, Draw, Calc, etc. all continued to open normally.

I reinstalled all components of LO, but it made no difference.

I searched for "Default.ott" and navigated to it, where I then renamed
it by appending -old to the filename. Afterwards Writer opened, but
bitched about there not being a Default.ott file. It looked the same as
before (I have a lot of custom toolbar and other viewing settings),
except that the page view was full page where I had always set it to
page width. No big deal.

So then I tried to open the supposedly corrupt files again, but I got
the same error messages as before. I have backups of the files, but
they were made last night and also would not open. These files are
lists of things and are constantly being added to, so really old
backups would be useless. In an effort to save the data I decided to
see if I could open them in Abiword. That was successful and the data
looked fine (except the table formatting was messed up), so I saved them
from Abiword in .odt format, but this failed with the error message

"Error saving the document Untitled1: Write Error.
Error in writing sub-document content.xml.

So then I decided to see if I could export the file, starting with PDF
as probably the least problematic. The export started and the progress
bar got about halfway, and then Writer locked up. There was nothing to
do except kill it and start over. I relaunched Writer, opened the .abw
file, and this time tried to export as Writer Layout XML. This time I
got a different error message: 

"Error saving the document  Resource exhausted.
No more space on device.

The device has over 100 GB of free space.

I decided to see if I could fix the damage that Abiword had done to the
table column widths, but in the middle of this suddenly the status bar
in Writer started flashing and I couldn't click on anything to close
the document or exit Writer - in other words, Writer had gone into a
loop that was taking all CPU processes. I killed Writer, and then
restarted it. At that point it was getting too late and I was out of
ideas, so I decided to post this message and go to bed. In the morning
my bran may have come up with other ideas and maybe someone here will
have some suggestions. And I know that my data is all still there since
I can open the files in Abiword, so it is merely a problem to be
figured out, not a disaster.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO won't open - claims Default.ott is corrupt

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 23:05:44 -0700
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

OK, I didn't go to bed yet and tried a couple more things.

I have a second computer with the same OS, the same LO, and most of the
same fonts and configs on it. I placed copies of the two 'corrupt'
files on a USB stick and moved it to the other computer, then
double-clicked on each. They both opened without a problem in LO.
Conclusion: There is nothing at all corrupt about the files.

Then I copied the Default.ott file from this computer and moved it to
the config folder on the computer with the problem. (I had already
renamed its Default.ott file by appending -old to it.) Then I launched
Writer and got the same error message that Default.ott was corrupt.

Note that if there is no Default.ott file Writer complains that the
file is missing, but opens normally anyway. If there really is a
Default.ott file (and it is known good), Writer says the Default.ott
file is corrupt, and if you ask it to repair it, it says it cannot be
repaired. 

On the problem computer I copied and pasted the 'corrupt' document from
Abiword into a new Writer document, then saved it as a new .odt file.
However, the .odt file was -0- bytes. 

I noticed a lot of problems opening files because Writer says the file
is in use (even when it is not in use). After a bit of experimenting I
discovered that LO is not deleting the lock files when a document is
closed.

As I go to bed I am thinking of nuking LO on the problem computer and
installing the version from LO instead of the version from the repos.
But I have a lot of add-ons installed (Zotero, etc.) plus a lot of
optional LO utilities. Is there a guide somewhere for how to nuke all
of it and then put it all back the way it was?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO won't open - claims Default.ott is corrupt

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 00:11:10 -0700
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 23:05:44 -0700
>John Jason Jordan  dijo:
>
>OK, I didn't go to bed yet and tried a couple more things.

One more thing, and then I'm really going to bed.

With Writer open (ignoring the missing Default.ott file warning on
opening it), I opened the .abw Abiword file and then went to save it as
a normal .odt file. This produced the error message: 

"Error saving the document : Write Error.
Error in writing sub-document content.xml.

I hope by tomorrow morning this will all become clear and a solution
will be at hand. :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO won't open - claims Default.ott is corrupt

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:21:08 +
Virgil Arrington  dijo:

>Before nuking everything, have you tried renaming the entire user
>profile. It should be a folder called "4". Rename it "4-old". Then
>restart LO. It will create a new user profile folder. You'll lose any
>custom settings, but you'll at least know if that's your problem.

That was one of the first things that I did, but I forgot to mention
it in my posts.

Yesterday I renamed the whole .config/libreoffice folder
to .config/libreoffice-old. I did this partly because there was also a
'3' as well as the '4,' and I wanted to be sure that I got everything.
Having renamed it I launched Writer, expecting it to create a new
config file, but instead I got this error message:

Error loading BASIC of document
file:///home/jjj/.config/libreoffice/4/user/basic/Standard/script.xlb/:
General Error. General input/output error.

And Writer would  not open. Today, having renamed the
.config/libreoffice folder again I find that Writer and all the other
components now give me the error twice, with only an OK button to click
on, but when I click on the button in both popups the programs open
normally, i.e., without my personalizations and add-ons like Zotero,
etc. And I note that LO did create a new '4' folder as expected.

However, all is not well. When I try to open any Writer document
created in the past I still get the 'corrupt' document error:

The file '.odt' is corrupt and therefore cannot be
opened. LibreOffice can try to repair the file.
The corruption could be the result of document manipulation or
of structural document damage due to data transmission.
We recommend that you do not trust the content of the repaired
document. Execution of macros is disabled for this document.
Should LibreOffice repair the file?

If I click on Yes it just says it was unable to repair the file, and
then gives me a General Error popup.

But note that last night I discovered that the documents are not
corrupted at all, as they open flawlessly with no error messages in LO
on my other computer. And the LO on the other computer is exactly the
same version - 4.2.8.2, Build ID: 420m0(Build:2), from the Ubuntu 14.04
repositories, and it has the same add-ons and customizations. In fact,
when I built the other computer I installed Xubuntu 14.04 on it, which
includes LO, but before launching it I replaced its config file with
the config file from the problem computer. I did this as a simple and
quick way to customize it the same way.

Also recall that yesterday I reinstalled everything with 'libreoffice'
that was installed, but it made no difference.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO won't open - claims Default.ott is corrupt

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 17:17:30 +0100
Tom Davies  dijo:

>Renaming the user-profile will remove all the add-ons but it's
>probably a good idea anyway.
>Copying the default.ott from the working computer was brilliant imo,
>as was trying to rename the previous one to see what happened.  I
>wonder if renaming the whole folder that default.ott is in might make
>LO regenerate the whole of that sub-folder?
>Some sort of reinstall might dislodge something and fix it but
>generally reinstalling tends to keep the user-profile (incl
>Extensions/add-ons) intact so it might not do anything useful for this.
>So unless Brian or Regina or someone like that weighs in then going for
>Virgil's idea is likely to be the best 'first' step.  You can always
>rename the user-profile (or chunks of it) back.
>Good luck and regards from Tom :)

Thanks to Tom and everyone else who offered suggestions. I finally bit
the bullet and restarted the computer (I hate that because I have so
many things going on). Afterwards the problem was solved except for the
Default.ott.old file (my renaming). Writer happily opened the 'corrupt'
documents and, after I renamed Default.ott.old back to Default.ott it
opens without bitching about the missing file.

All is right in my world again. And as if it was a sign from the
computer gods, as soon as the problem was resolved the morning clouds
parted and the sun came out. Now I'm going for a walk to celebrate my
victory over evil bugs.

I do wish I knew what happened to cause this. It would be good to let
the devs know, but alas, this will probably remain a mystery.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 24 May 2017 19:56:33 -0400
"Brian Grawburg"  dijo:

>I am in the process of converting 177 pages of my study notes on the
>NT book of Romans from Lotus WordPro to LibreOffice. I have two more
>large "books" to convert after this.  I've thought about breaking it
>up into 4 smaller sections because it takes several seconds to go from
>page to page. There are several different type faces, including Greek,
>which may slow things down. I've also wondered about not using
>LibreOffice and using Scribus instead because the documents are so
>large.  Comments?

Scribus is famous for being slow, although there have been some
improvements recently. The speed problems with Scribus are due to its
text abilities (far more options than LO), which are great for layout
and design, but in order to give the viewer a WYSIWYG screen it redraws
text letter by letter. The common wisdom is to break up the document
into smaller chunks (e.g., separate documents for each chapter), then
export each as a PDF and use other tools to assemble the PDFs into the
final document. There are additional tricks as well, but they are too
detailed to describe here.

I should add another mantra of Scribus users: Scribus is a layout tool;
not a word processor. You do your writing in your word processor, your
images in the GIMP or Inkscape, and assemble them in Scribus. Its
import filter for ODT files preserves styles (adapting them to Scribus
conventions), but not much else, e.g., page numbers and images are
ignored. When I write a document that I know I will eventually want to
lay out in Scribus I write it in LO, applying the styles that I know I
will want in Scribus, but I don't bother with the details of the style
in LO - I just want the text tagged with the style because I'm going to
change/enhance it once the text is in Scribus anyway.

I must also mention the Scribus listserv, because this is a LO list
where Scribus discussions border on being off topic: 
Scribus Mailing List: scri...@lists.scribus.net
Edit your options or unsubscribe:
http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus
See also:
http://wiki.scribus.net
http://forums.scribus.net

And finally I should mention TeX. (The X is pronounced as a voiceless
velar fricative, e.g., the ch in German 'ach,' and in written form the
X is supposed to be below the baseline.) TeX was originally conceived
as a way to produce academic documents like dissertations and theses,
where it still shines today. It has many devotees and there are a great
many add-ons and utilities, e.g., Latex, Lyx, inter multa alia. I don't
have listserve or website information handy because I don't use TeX
personally, but I'm sure there are plenty of such resources online.

Good luck with your project!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Best Font Ever...Don't Lister to the Critics

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 16:04:04 +
Virgil Arrington  dijo:

>I would recommend Robert Bringhurst's excellent book, "The Elements
>of Typographic Style."

+1

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Highlighting nouns in LibreOffice Writer?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 20:12:01 +0100
Brian Barker  dijo:

>At 11:21 29/07/2017 -0700, Csanyi Pál wrote:
>>is there a way to highlight in a text in Writer 
>>just nouns in an English text besides manually 
>>select nouns? I mean is there such a tool to 
>>highlight just nouns with one click? Or can I create a macro for this
>>job?
>
>This may be a more complicated task that you 
>imagine. Many words - in the sense of a 
>particular strings of letters - may exist as 
>words as more than one part of speech. If you 
>detected nouns by looking words up in a 
>dictionary of nouns, you would also catch many 
>occurrences of words that were spelled 
>identically to nouns but were actually serving 
>as, say, verbs or adjectives in your text. 

English speakers can verb anything.

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[libreoffice-users] Fixing 5.0 appearance

[John Jason Jordan]

I have been using LO since it appeared and previously OO, going back to
StarOffice 0.9. My current version is 5.4.3.2 on Xubuntu 14.04,
installed with a PPA. My previous version was whatever the latest was
in the Xubuntu repositories (4.something). I had to install the new
version because the older version would not work with the new
standalone Zotero.

Unfortunately, the new version trashed my preferences for desktop
appearance. After an hour of resetting things I have it mostly back to
the way I want it, but there is one thing that I can't figure out how
to change.

I have always used a custom toolbar for formatting, which I have
floating to the right of the document window. Below it I have the
styles toolbar, also floating. I have no other toolbars visible, unless
I am writing an academic paper where I need Zotero. I like it this way
because it maximizes the height of the document. 

Unfortunately, the styles toolbar is no longer just the styles toolbar.
It has a sidebar, and every time I open a new document it reverts to
properties. I have to select styles and formatting to see my styles. 

How can I view just the styles for all new documents and get rid of the
sidebar? 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fixing 5.0 appearance

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 07:08:20 -0700 (MST)
V Stuart Foote  dijo:

>Dave Barton-3 wrote
>> On 22.12.2017 03:07, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>> ...
>> Even better if the day ever comes when we can have styles list
>> undocked from the sidebar, in the same way as Navigator.
>
>That is  tdf#85905
>   /Allow
>undocking of Sidebar decks/, which would allow each of type of Sidebar
>deck to be detached and handled in its own frame (docked or undocked).
>
>Meanwhile, check out the "new" View -> Toolbars -> Formatting (Styles)
>toolbar as a "styles" focused alternative to the default Formatting
>toolbar.

Thanks to all for the comments. 

This saga started for me because an Xubuntu update installed Firefox
57, which broke the Zotero add-ons. After several hours of struggling
I finally discovered that the only solution was to install the new
standalone Zotero; which works well except it is not as convenient as
having the Zotero add-on in Firefox. However, while the standalone
Zoter works for adding an entry in my database with Firefox, the Zotero
toolbar in Writer still did not work. More hours of struggling later I
discovered that I needed a new LO extension for Zotero. But the new
extension wouldn't install because it required LO 5.0 or later. After
even more struggling I decided that the only solution was to add a PPA
to my repository list in my Xubuntu 14.04, and then install LO 5.4. But
LO 5.4 severely messed up my user interface, and now I am trying to get
things back to the way I want them. I hope to high heaven that I am
close to the end of this trial.

I should add that I only use Writer and Impress, and I use Impress only
for opening .ppt files provided to me by others. My use of Calc, Base
and Draw is rare. I do use tables a lot in my writing, but I do so only
in Writer. Because my work in LO is writing text documents I want as
much vertical screen area as possible, so I want no toolbars at the top
of the document window. Instead, because the area to the left and right
of my widescreen monitor is unused, I like my toolbars floating out
there. And the toolbars that I need are just Formatting (which I have
heavily customized) and Styles; and Zotero only when the document will
need citations. I need other functions less frequently so the top menu
(File Edit View ...) is adequate for me.

At this point I should also add that there has long been a bug with
floating toolbars on all Linux installations that I know of - that is,
if you have a toolbar floating it defeats the normal focus actions of
the Linux X-windows GUI. An example would make this more clear. Let us
suppose that I have only one Writer document window open on the screen.
While working on it I discover that I need to use another program, e.g.,
Firefox, so I switch to a Firefox window, leaving the Writer document
on the screen. The Firefox window will come up on top of the Writer
document, as it should, but when I later minimize the Firefox window I
see the Writer document is now completely visible again, but focus has
not been restored to it. And that means that clicking on its icon in the
Xfce panel will not minimize it until I click on the window to restore
its focus. Also, when I later restore a Writer document window quite
often the floating formatting toolbar fails to appear. I can go into
View > Toolbars and I see that it is still checked, but to get it back I
have to un-check it, then re-check it. And when I restore a document to
the screen by clicking on it in the Xfce panel it comes up on the
screen, but again without focus. I wish there was a hotkey to open the
Formatting toolbar, like F11 for the Styles toolbar, but I can't find
one. I tried to create one, but I failed.

I have lived with this bug since forever, with all versions on OO and
now LO. I was hoping that this would have finally been fixed in the new
LO 5.4, but it remains unchanged. And a few years ago I asked on one of
these lists and after much discussion I tracked the problem down to my
floating toolbars, that is, if none of my floating toolbars are on the
screen the document window takes focus as it should, like all other
application windows. Also, the problem is specific to each individual
document window, e.g., as I write this I have three Writer documents
open, I closed the floating toolbars on one of them and that window then
took focus properly, but I left the toolbars on the other two
documents and they still did not take focus properly.

I read the bug report in the link provided by Dave Barton above. It was
interesting, but provided no solution. However, having read it I
concluded that perhaps future development will provide a fix so I can
get rid of the sidebar. For now I conclude that I am just stuck with it.

I also checked out the new Styles (Formatting) toolbar, but it does not
replace the real styles toolbar - no buttons to change from paragraph
styles to text styles, etc. I also tried creating my own custo

[libreoffice-users] Focus issues on Linux

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 10:59:12 -0800
Girvin Herr  dijo:

>> At this point I should also add that there has long been a bug with
>> floating toolbars on all Linux installations that I know of - that
>> is, if you have a toolbar floating it defeats the normal focus
>> actions of the Linux X-windows GUI. An example would make this more
>> clear. Let us suppose that I have only one Writer document window
>> open on the screen. While working on it I discover that I need to
>> use another program, e.g., Firefox, so I switch to a Firefox window,
>> leaving the Writer document on the screen. The Firefox window will
>> come up on top of the Writer document, as it should, but when I
>> later minimize the Firefox window I see the Writer document is now
>> completely visible again, but focus has not been restored to it. And
>> that means that clicking on its icon in the Xfce panel will not
>> minimize it until I click on the window to restore its focus. Also,
>> when I later restore a Writer document window quite often the
>> floating formatting toolbar fails to appear. I can go into View >
>> Toolbars and I see that it is still checked, but to get it back I
>> have to un-check it, then re-check it. And when I restore a document
>> to the screen by clicking on it in the Xfce panel it comes up on the
>> screen, but again without focus. I wish there was a hotkey to open
>> the Formatting toolbar, like F11 for the Styles toolbar, but I can't
>> find one. I tried to create one, but I failed.
>>
>> I have lived with this bug since forever, with all versions on OO and
>> now LO. I was hoping that this would have finally been fixed in the
>> new LO 5.4, but it remains unchanged. And a few years ago I asked on
>> one of these lists and after much discussion I tracked the problem
>> down to my floating toolbars, that is, if none of my floating
>> toolbars are on the screen the document window takes focus as it
>> should, like all other application windows. Also, the problem is
>> specific to each individual document window, e.g., as I write this I
>> have three Writer documents open, I closed the floating toolbars on
>> one of them and that window then took focus properly, but I left the
>> toolbars on the other two documents and they still did not take
>> focus properly.

>I, too, use xfce4 and this window focus problem might not be an LO 
>issue. I use several other apps and have experienced this frustrating 
>focus problem with them too. I usually don't notice it until after I 
>type some text and discover the text is not showing up in the window I 
>expected. It would be an interesting datapoint if someone in this
>forum who uses KDE or another Linux desktop would confirm or deny they 
>experience it with those desktops.

That is very interesting. I have hundreds and hundreds of applications
installed, as I do a lot of writing and desktop publishing, as well as
working with video and multimedia. LO is the only app where the focus
problem happens for me, although it does sometimes happen on web
pages, but that is surely a problem with the html code written by the
site developer. The browser itself has no problem when restored after
being minimized. I also have two computers, a laptop and a desktop,
both with Xubuntu 14.04, and I have the same focus problem on both of
them.

Yes, it would be very interesting to hear from other Linux users. We
might need to take this to another venue if the problem is not related
to LO. I originally researched this and discovered the connection
between the focus problem and floating toolbars at least a couple years
ago and I no longer remember where I asked - surely one of the OO or LO
listservs, and possibly the Ubuntu and/or Xfce forums.

I should also add that I don't believe that I ever filed a bug report.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Focus issues on Linux

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:38:32 -0800
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

Thanks for all the comments. 

First, to restate my problem: I use Xfce4 on Xubuntu 14.04. I use the
window button panel applet so that when I start a program its icon
appears in the panel. I can minimize any such window by clicking on its
icon in the panel, and restore by clicking again on the icon. When the
window is restored it automatically gets focus. This behavior works for
all windows except LO document windows when I have a floating toolbar
for that window. Note that the problem only happens for LO document
windows; if I start LO with the main LO window the main window takes
focus when restored, as it should. Of course, the main window has no
floating toolbars. I have proved beyond any doubt that having floating
toolbars causes the problem.

It was suggested that I try 'focus follows mouse,' so I tried it. This
made my problem worse, because then no window got focus when restored
until I moved the mouse over it. Here is a query from the Xfce forums
that explains why this does not work for me:

Hi there!  I'm using Xfce 4.10.1 on Ubuntu 14.04, and I'm
having a hard time with its focus behavior.
I want to enable "focus follows mouse" in the window manager
settings, but when I do this, windows no longer receive focus
when I bring them up via the tasklist.  For example, when I'm
browsing in Chrome and want to bring up Emacs, I click on Emacs
in the tasklist on xfce's panel. Emacs's window comes to the
front, and I expect to be able to start typing right away, but
Chrome still has the focus.  I have to move my cursor off of
the tasklist and onto Emacs, before I can type anything.
I want focus to follow my mouse, but also want it to
automatically focus on a window that just raised itself to the
top (until I move the mouse again).  Is there a way to do
this?  I tried changing settings in the "Focus" tab of
xfwm4-settings-tweaks, but it did no good. [note: 'tasklist' =
'window buttons.']

Apparently, if you use 'focus follows mouse' there is no way to make a
restored window take focus automatically, as the above poster
discovered in the ensuing discussion.

I tried docking my floating toolbars, and that worked! If I restore a
document window with docked toolbars the window automatically gets
focus. Yay! Well, not so fast. I normally need the Formatting toolbar
(customized) and the Styles and Formatting toolbar. I can dock both of
them, but docking my Formatting toolbar to either side causes all of
the drop-downs to disappear, e.g., the style and font lists. But when
the Styles and Formatting toolbar is docked it still provides the list
of styles, so I don't know why the drop-downs on the formatting
toolbar go away - they are no wider than the style list. And I
discovered that I could remove things from the sidebar that I do not
want (Gallery, Navigator and Properties), but when I close the document
and re-open it the unwanted options reappear. Now, if I could just add
the Formatting toolbar to the sidebar and have it display the
drop-downs as well as the buttons I could live with a docked sidebar,
but alas, at this time you cannot add a toolbar to the sidebar. :(

Unrelated side comment: LO 5.4.3.2 added fonts that I don't want and a
whole bunch of templates. I was able to uninstall the fonts, but the
user cannot delete the templates. It also added dozens of styles that I
don't want, and they cannot be deleted either. You can hide styles, but
as soon as you close and re-open the document or even the styles and
formatting toolbar they are back.

On the LO website there was an announcement that you could get the
development version (in alpha development still - LibreOfficeDev 6.1)
and it would change the toolbars to a tabbed interface. I screwed up my
courage and installed it, and it was even worse than 5.4.3.2 - still
cannot add anything to the sidebar or permanently delete stuff that you
don't want. And the tabs can only appear at the top of the document,
just where I don't want them. Fortunately it installed itself alongside
5.4.3.2, so I can just ignore it.

So here I sit, LO is sort of working, but no focus or appearance
problems are solved, and it is doubtful that they can be solved, at
least not for some time.

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[libreoffice-users] Glosses in linguistics

[John Jason Jordan]

Linguists frequently need to write glosses. Here are a couple examples
using Spanish as the source language and English as the language that
the author is writing in:

Todos iremos   a   la playa.
All.m.pl  go.1.pl.fut  to  the.art.sg.fem  beach
'We will all go to the beach.'

Juan no sabíaquéhacer.
John neg.  know.1.sg.imperf  what  do.inf
'John didn't know what to do.'

(Note that there are rules for how the gloss abbreviations are supposed
to be abbreviated and used, and for the sake of simplicity in the above
examples I did not always follow them rigorously.)

Glosses are typically three lines, as in the above examples. Each
component of the first two lines must be lined up. Here in e-mail I
tried to do this with the space bar, but the results may not appear
perfectly as I intended for all people on this list. They don't even
appear lined up for me because I use a proportional font in my mail
client.

The only way I know to get this right is to use tabs, but the tab
spacings have to be changed for each gloss. If you have a lot of
glosses in your paper tabs will quickly become a serious pain.

I searched the Help, but came up empty-handed. Any suggestions?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Glosses in linguistics

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 15:59:48 -0400 (EDT)
Felmon Davis  dijo:

>On Fri, 8 Jun 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
>> Linguists frequently need to write glosses. Here are a couple
>> examples using Spanish as the source language and English as the
>> language that the author is writing in:
>>
>> Todos iremos   a   la playa.
>> All.m.pl  go.1.pl.fut  to  the.art.sg.fem  beach
>> 'We will all go to the beach.'
>>
>> Juan no sabíaquéhacer.
>> John neg.  know.1.sg.imperf  what  do.inf
>> 'John didn't know what to do.'
>>
>> (Note that there are rules for how the gloss abbreviations are
>> supposed to be abbreviated and used, and for the sake of simplicity
>> in the above examples I did not always follow them rigorously.)
>>
>> Glosses are typically three lines, as in the above examples. 

If the utterance in the source language and its gloss are too long for
one line in the paper you are writing you can just make the utterance
two glosses, that would look just like my two examples above.

>> The only way I know to get this right is to use tabs, but the tab
>> spacings have to be changed for each gloss. If you have a lot of
>> glosses in your paper tabs will quickly become a serious pain.

>would it be possible to use tables? borderless. allow enough columns 
>for a typical gloss? the last row would 'merge' the columns.

I thought of tables (which I otherwise use a lot), but tables would be
more work than constantly changing tab settings.

Part of the problem with tab settings is knowing exactly where the tab
needs to be. I remember a very long time ago in WordPerfect? that the
exact position of the cursor on the line was displayed in the status
bar, or by hovering over it with the mouse. (Or maybe that was in
InDesign or Scribus.) If I could get this information, maybe it could be
used in a script that would place a tab stop at that position.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Glosses in linguistics

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 17:38:08 -0400 (EDT)
Felmon Davis  dijo:

 Todos iremos   a   la playa.
 All.m.pl  go.1.pl.fut  to  the.art.sg.fem  beach
 'We will all go to the beach.'

 Juan no sabíaquéhacer.
 John neg.  know.1.sg.imperf  what  do.inf
 'John didn't know what to do.'

>it occurs to me I may not fully understand your goal. please clarify:

Referring to example 1 above, there are five words, each of which is
an 'element.' In line 2 there are also five elements, one for each word
in line 1. Each element must be positioned for the longer of the
matching element in each line. 

In example 1 above 'All.m.pl' is longer than 'Todos,' so it controls
the position of the second element. Similarly, all the remaining
elements in line 2 are also longer than their counterparts in line 1, so
the elements in line 1 must be spaced out so they start at the same
position as their counterparts below.

Usually the elements in the second line are longer than their
counterparts in the first line, but that doesn't always happen. If an
element in the first line happens to be longer than its counterpart in
line 2, then the element in line 2 must be spaced out so it starts at
the same position as its counterpart above.

Each pair of elements must be aligned vertically.

The third line is just the translation and needs no special spacing.

Here is a PDF with some examples on pages 4 and 5:
https://linguistics.osu.edu/sites/linguistics.osu.edu/files/JPCL-submission-guidelines_0.pdf

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Glosses in linguistics

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:44:57 -0700
Dave Stevens  dijo:

>as far as I can see spaces would work fine in a monospaced font, why
>not use one every time you need to insert a gloss?

Because almost all universities and peer-reviewed journals require APA
style for linguistics, which in turn demands a proportional serif font.
Some even specifically stipulate Times. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Glosses in linguistics

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:28:18 -0400
"Paul D. Mirowsky"  dijo:

>It might also be possible to use a "Customize" style of "Bullets and 
>Numbering" with Paragraph styles.

The problem is that the position of each item in the first and second
lines changes with each gloss. I started just using tabs, but the tabs
were set in Writer > General to 1.25cm, which frequently made a lot of
white space between each word.

I finally figured out a workaround. I made a paragraph style (cleverly
named 'Gloss'), where I stipulated tabs at the width of an 'l' in Times
10pt. I created enough such tabs to allow me to tab all the way across
a long line, although it would take many, many tabs. Now I can adjust
the spacing between items on the line with tabs so that an item on the
first line is aligned with its counterpart on the second line, making
them both start at exactly the same position. My tabs stay at 1.25cm
throughout the document and become very narrow only in text where I
have applied my Gloss style.

I started this quest hoping there would be a feature in LO to do this,
but eventually realized that there was no such feature. On the other
hand, I did discover an extension that adds tools for linguistics. The
extension requires standalone programs, which I installed, but I
haven't figured out yet how to use them. It looks like one of the tools
might do what I'm trying to accomplish here, and without tabs.

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[libreoffice-users] Help! Can't delete floating frame!

[John Jason Jordan]

And the paper I'm working on is due tomorrow!

I wanted to add a picture (it's a .png file) so I selected Insert >
Floating Frame, gave it a name, and there it was. Then I added my .png
file to it, whereupon I realized that I needed to edit the .png file
first, plus the floating frame was in the wrong location. I have spent
the past hour trying to delete the floating frame, but can't figure out
how. It is completely grayed out and I can't figure out how to select
it. 

Oh, this is LO Writer 5.1.6.2 on Ubuntu 16.04, all updates applied.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Help! Can't delete floating frame!

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:44:09 -0700
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>And the paper I'm working on is due tomorrow!
>
>I wanted to add a picture (it's a .png file) so I selected Insert >
>Floating Frame, gave it a name, and there it was. Then I added my .png
>file to it, whereupon I realized that I needed to edit the .png file
>first, plus the floating frame was in the wrong location. I have spent
>the past hour trying to delete the floating frame, but can't figure out
>how. It is completely grayed out and I can't figure out how to select
>it. 

Never mind. I stumbled on the answer - you can only select it by
clicking precisely on the edge, and I mean *precisely*. 

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[libreoffice-users] Tools > Customize hangs LO

[John Jason Jordan]

I have LO 6.3.3.2 on Xubuntu 18.04, up to date, except that I
downloaded it from LO rather than install the version in the Ubuntu
repositories. The display is UHD (3840x2160).

I usually use only Writer, which I have in a window by itself, along
with Formatting and Styles toolbars floating off the window (see
screenshot attached). As you can see the Styles palette is illegible
because the line spacing is inadequate. Interestingly, if I go into
Tools > Options > Personalization and select any theme the text in the
palette immediately rights itself and appears with correct line
spacing. But the second I close the Options window the line spacing
changes back to being illegible.

In an effort to work around this problem I decided to try Tools >
Customize, but when I click on it the entire program hangs. All my
other applications work just fine. I need some ideas. All suggestions
gratefully received!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Tools > Customize hangs LO

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 17:02:10 -0800
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>I have LO 6.3.3.2 on Xubuntu 18.04, up to date, except that I
>downloaded it from LO rather than install the version in the Ubuntu
>repositories. The display is UHD (3840x2160).
>
>I usually use only Writer, which I have in a window by itself, along
>with Formatting and Styles toolbars floating off the window (see
>screenshot attached). As you can see the Styles palette is illegible
>because the line spacing is inadequate. Interestingly, if I go into
>Tools > Options > Personalization and select any theme the text in the
>palette immediately rights itself and appears with correct line
>spacing. But the second I close the Options window the line spacing
>changes back to being illegible.
>
>In an effort to work around this problem I decided to try Tools >
>Customize, but when I click on it the entire program hangs. All my
>other applications work just fine. I need some ideas. All suggestions
>gratefully received!

Sorry, evidently attachments are not permitted here. Maybe I can upload
it somewhere. Any suggestions?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Tools > Customize hangs LO

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 10:25:42 +0100
Heiko Tietze  dijo:

>You can use https://imgur.com/ for images and https://pastebin.com/
>for text. Or just file a ticket on our bugtracker and attach the file
>there.

OK, here it is on imgur:

https://imgur.com/YISfwld

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[libreoffice-users] View issues with 6.07 from Ubuntu repositories

[John Jason Jordan]

I had LO 6.3.3.2 installed, downloaded from LO. But I was unable to
correct the line spacing in the Styles and Formatting toolbar, and
trying to fix it I discovered that it would hang if I clicked on Tools >
Customize. After much effort I gave up and uninstalled 6.3.3.2, and
then installed 6.07 from the Ubuntu repositories. Tools > Customize
no longer hangs the program, but now I have other problems.

I keep my toolbars floating off to the right. Here is an image:
https://imgur.com/YISfwld

The Formatting toolbar was missing more than half the icons, replaced
with the text for the function. For example, instead of an icon showing
a character with a line above it, I saw just 'overline.' I tried to add
the correct icon by customizing the toolbar, but there were only a
couple dozen icons available, and none for overline. I have installed
all the themes I can find and, although in Tools > Options I can now
select different sets of icons, the only one which has all the icons is
Breeze. Are there more icon sets available somewhere?

There is an even worse problem. I cannot view the Styles and Formatting
toolbar at all. When I select it the toolbar flashes for a split second
on the screen and then disappears. It doesn't matter if I select it
with Formatting > Styles and Formatting or with F11. With 6.3.3.2 the
line spacing for the styles was off, and now the toolbar can't even be
viewed. I'm going from bad to worse.

Furthermore, the scrollbars are the thickness of a pencil lead; just
about impossible to hit with the mouse. I know that this is because of
an issue with gtk3, but the gtk3 integration package is properly
installed. The scrollbars appear correctly in all my other
applications, so I don't know why they are unusable in LO.

LO is unusable without styles and scrollbars. Can someone offer
suggestions for how to fix these issues?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] View issues with 6.07 from Ubuntu repositories

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 08:20:53 +0100
Robert Großkopf  dijo:

>Hi John Jason,
>
>did you try to reset the user-profile?
>(home/user/.config/libreoffice/4)

Yes I did. Made no difference.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Sort of SOLVED View issues with 6.07 from Ubuntu repositories

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 22:12:09 +0100
Johnny Rosenberg  dijo:

>> >did you try to reset the user-profile?
>> >(home/user/.config/libreoffice/4)

>> Yes I did. Made no difference.

>I haven't had Ubuntu for a long time now, but as far as I remember
>Ubuntu's LibreOffice versions in the past were kind of funny,

Sometimes that's true. In the present instance 6.3.3.2 downloaded from
OO was the kinky one.

I sort of solved the problem with the Styles menu disappearing
instantly on being opened by installing a PPA for my Xubuntu 18.04 and
then using it to do an update. That changed 6.07 from the previous
Ubuntu repositories to 6.3.4.2.

Now the Styles menu appears and stays open. The only problem is that
the list of styles in the window is hard to read and click on because
the line spacing is about half what it should be - each line looks kind
of partially stacked on top of the next one. I am sure that this is
caused by one of the hundreds of settings for my UHD monitor
(3840x2160).

Another problem is that the scrollbars are the thickness of a pencil
lead. I had to set the width manually for both GTK2 and GTK3, and they
appear properly in all my other applications, but 6.3.4.2 is ignoring
the settings, in spite of the fact that libreoffice-gtk3 from the PPA is
installed.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] View issues with 6.07 from Ubuntu repositories

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 09:48:40 +0100
Heiko Tietze  dijo:

>Do you scale the UI for some reason, eg. font size 125%?

Sort of. Different parts are set with varying methods. However,
percentages are never used except in web browsers. Fonts are set with
points. Icons and most other matters are set with pixels.

I could scale the entire thing by changing the resolution with xrandr,
e.g., from the native 3840x2160 down to 1920x1080. But why? I didn't
pay for a 4K monitor to run it at 2K.

The problem is that the desktop environment (I use Xfce) has at least
two different settings for icon size, and half a dozen for point size
of text. For example, the window title bar text is one setting, toolbar
text is another setting (which LO does not always respect, by the way),
body text is another setting, and so on.

Although I now have the Styles and Formatting toolbar visible, LO fails
to respect the line spacing of the desktop environment. And someone
decided to hard-code the spacing as a number of pixels for the main
toolbar so, since I had to set the toolbar text big enough to see, the
items appear somewhat smashed together:
FileEditInsertFormatTableToolsLinguisticsWindowHelp.
[Edit: This issue seems to have been resolved with LO
6.3.4.2.] LO is not the only application where column widths are
hard-coded as a number of pixels; I have the same problem with a few
other applications. And many applications, including LO, hard-code the
icon size in toolbars, so the icons are 2-3mm high. For example, in the
Styles and Formatting toolbar I have to hover over an icon to read its
tool-tip in order to know what the icon does. And someone coded the
Styles and Formatting window to be an application window instead of a
toolbar window, so 'Styles and Formatting' is the same point size as
the main window. It all works, it just looks weird.

That's enough of a rant. I'll shut up now. :)

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[libreoffice-users] Template confusion - 6.3.4.2 on Ubuntu

[John Jason Jordan]

I have been using LO, and previously OO, since ~2002, and I currently
have 6.3.4.2 on Xubuntu 18.04, up to date. This version was installed
with the PPA supplied by LO.

Needing to figure out my numerous templates I searched for *.ott and
came up with files scattered all over. So my first question is, where
is the preferred location so I can corral them all in the same place?

And then I have a problem with the default Writer template
'Default.ott,' of which there is only one I practically never use
anything but Writer, and when I launch Writer it comes up with a new,
blank document based on the default template. This is as it should be,
but there is something in the default template that I need to change -
the settings for the First Line Indent style. It defaults to adding
seven points between paragraphs, but I must always change that to -0-,
in order to comply with university and publishing style guidelines. And
no, I do not want a special template for this; I just want to change the
settings for the default template.

I launched Writer, then closed the new, blank document and selected the
Default template for editing. Imagine my surprise when the setting for
First Line Indent showed -0- points for additional spacing between
paragraphs. Yet when I open a new document based on the default template
the setting for First Line Indent is always an additional seven points
between paragraphs.

What is going on here?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Template confusion - 6.3.4.2 on Ubuntu

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:51:57 -0800
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>I have been using LO, and previously OO, since ~2002, and I currently
>have 6.3.4.2 on Xubuntu 18.04, up to date. This version was installed
>with the PPA supplied by LO.
>
>Needing to figure out my numerous templates I searched for *.ott and
>came up with files scattered all over. So my first question is, where
>is the preferred location so I can corral them all in the same place?
>
>And then I have a problem with the default Writer template
>'Default.ott,' of which there is only one I practically never use
>anything but Writer, and when I launch Writer it comes up with a new,
>blank document based on the default template. This is as it should be,
>but there is something in the default template that I need to change -
>the settings for the First Line Indent style. It defaults to adding
>seven points between paragraphs, but I must always change that to -0-,
>in order to comply with university and publishing style guidelines. And
>no, I do not want a special template for this; I just want to change
>the settings for the default template.
>
>I launched Writer, then closed the new, blank document and selected the
>Default template for editing. Imagine my surprise when the setting for
>First Line Indent showed -0- points for additional spacing between
>paragraphs. Yet when I open a new document based on the default
>template the setting for First Line Indent is always an additional
>seven points between paragraphs.
>
>What is going on here?

I found part of the problem. For some reason LO Writer was not using
the Default.ott file for the default template. I found how to force it
to use this template, but I never figure out which template it was
using for the default. But at least now a new document comes up with
the right settings for the First Line Indent style.

But so far I have failed to figure out where the default folder for
templates is. I'd really like to tidy things up.

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[libreoffice-users] Expandable brackets in writer document, formula maybe?

[John Jason Jordan]

LO Writer in 6.3.4.2 on Xubuntu 18.04 up to date, installed from the
PPA, from LO.

I know this can be done, but the how escapes me. I need to produce
expandable brackets in Writer like the following (but here in the e-mail
I have to use single brackets - just assume that they are all one left
and one right bracket):

[ +consonantal  ]
[ -voice]
[ +continuant   ]

I need the words aligned vertically, as you would decimal align numbers
in a table.

I tried Insert > Object > Formula with the following:

left [ +consonantal
-voice
+continuant right ]

But it all came out on a single line. Furthermore, I managed to change
the font to the same font that I am using for the document, but I can't
figure out how to set the point size for it.

Any ideas?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Expandable brackets in writer document, formula maybe?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 00:42:38 +0100
Regina Henschel  dijo:

>> But it all came out on a single line.

>left [ stack{ "+ consonantal"#"- voice"#"+ continuant" } right none

Aha! I had tried the stack command before, but it didn't work. I think
I may have left out the #s.

>In case you like mathematical + and - you need to provide a dummy left
>operand.
>
>left [ stack{""+"consonantal"#""-"voice"#""+"continuant} right none

That line didn't work. Not only did I not get the mathematical + and -,
the stack also didn't work. But the + for my font works pretty good,
and for the - I just use U-2212.

>, but I can't  figure out how to set the point size for it.

I finally found the place to set the point size. The only problem is
that I have keep resetting it for each new formula. It even forgets
that I don't want italic. And if I close the document and reopen it
Writer even loses the font name. There must be a style setting for this
somewhere that works, but the Formula style in the styles palette
doesn't offer much, and when I make changes Writer just ignores them.

>Write the lines as normal single line paragraphs and use text flow
>"keep with next" or write them as one paragraph with line feeds.
>Insert a bracket-shape at the start of the first line and anchor it
>"at character". The bracket-shapes are in the sub-list "Symbol Shapes".

This looks like it might be lots easier than messing with formulas, but
I don't have a Symbols toolbar. When I installed LO I thought I
installed absolutely everything, but maybe I missed something.

Thanks a lot for your help. I'm making progress!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Expandable brackets in writer document, formula maybe?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 02:15:21 +0100
Regina Henschel  dijo:

>left [ stack{""+"consonantal"#""-"voice"#""+"continuant"} right none

That works lovely, but getting the leading right is not easy. This
needs to be in a line that says  →  / 

In case that didn't make it in the e-mail, the character between the
first two formulas is a right arrow. The right arrow and the slash need
to be centered on the formula. If I make the leading for that center
line with the arrow and slash tall enough so the three-line formulas all
appear with their brackets then the arrow and slash end up not aligned
with any of the lines in the formula. 

>> This looks like it might be lots easier than messing with formulas,
>> but I don't have a Symbols toolbar. When I installed LO I thought I
>> installed absolutely everything, but maybe I missed something.  
>
>No you missed nothing. Look in the Standard toolbar. There should be
>an icon "Show Drawing Functions" somewhere on the right end of the
>Standard toolbar. Click it. It opens the toolbar "Drawing". It is
>likely docked to the bottom or to the left side. On this toolbar you
>see a Smiley with a little triangle, click the triangle to open the
>sub-toolbar "Symbol Shapes".

Thanks, I found the bracket symbols, but 1) the corners are rounded, 2)
they look kind of faint on the screen so I tried to find a way to
specify the thickness of the line, but it's not there. And 3), for some
reason they do not print. I don't know why the corners are rounded, but
I can't really use them, so I guess it doesn't matter if they don't
print and I can't change the line width. 

Too bad, because the double bracket might be really easy to use. All
I'd have to do is make myself a little chart for the heights I'd need
for a two-line, three-line, four-line, etc. formula.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Expandable brackets in writer document, formula maybe?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 10:55:32 -0800
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>Thanks, I found the bracket symbols, but 1) the corners are rounded, 2)
>they look kind of faint on the screen so I tried to find a way to
>specify the thickness of the line, but it's not there. And 3), for some
>reason they do not print. I don't know why the corners are rounded, but
>I can't really use them, so I guess it doesn't matter if they don't
>print and I can't change the line width.
>
>Too bad, because the double bracket might be really easy to use. All
>I'd have to do is make myself a little chart for the heights I'd need
>for a two-line, three-line, four-line, etc. formula.

Never mind about the line width and print problem. I suddenly noticed
that there is a place to set the line width in the toolbar, and it was
set to 0 points, explains why it didn't print.

Maybe I can find some additional bracket symbols somewhere.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Expandable brackets in writer document, formula maybe?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:35:40 +0100
Regina Henschel  dijo:

>Hi John,
>
>John Jason Jordan schrieb am 23-Feb-20 um 19:55:
>[..]
>>
>> Thanks, I found the bracket symbols, but 1) the corners are rounded

>When you have drawn the bracket and click on it to make it active, you
>should see a handle. If you drag the handle upward, the corners will
>become sharp.
>
>If that does not work for, I can make you a bracket. I would need to
>sent it to you private, because the mailing list does not allow
>attachments.

Yes, I see the six handles, of course, but I can only move the ones in
the center of each side. And when I do it just compresses or expands
the entire bracket in the direction you move it. No matter how tall or
how short, or how wide or how narrow I make the bracket the corners
are still rounded.

But now that I've figured out how to do the formulas (and thanks for
your help!), they look pretty good. Still, you might make a bracket and
donate it to LO. I still can't believe the brackets included with LO
have rounded corners.

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[libreoffice-users] Table toolbar

[John Jason Jordan]

LO 6.342 from the LO PPA on Xubuntu 18.04

I have a simple table with text data, no calculations or fancy stuff.
Every time I put the cursor in a cell the table toolbars pop up, and
usually on top of my work. I don't ever need the table toolbar. If I
really wanted the toolbar I know how to get it to appear. How can I tell
LO to cool its jets and leave me alone?

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[libreoffice-users] Edit contour not working

[John Jason Jordan]

LO 6.3.4.2 on Xubuntu 18.04, up to date. LO is downloaded from LO, not
from Ubuntu repositories.

I have a graphic on a page in Writer. The graphic is about 4cm wide and
about 10cm high, so I have aligned it left and set contour to wrap
right so that the text will flow down on the right of the graphic. This
works, but the text is smashed into the side of the graphic. To fix
this I tried Wrap > Edit Contour. The palette opens, but none of the
options does anything. For example, I selected the rectangle, and when
I try to draw a rectangle in the palette with the mouse, nothing
happens. Ditto for all the other tools.

The graphic was a PNG, so I converted it to a JPG just in case that was
the problem, but no change. I still can't change the contour for the
text wrap.

Suggestions?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Edit contour not working

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:53:41 -0400
John Kaufmann  dijo:

>On 2020-06-11 00:06, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>> ...
>> I have a graphic on a page in Writer. The graphic is about 4cm wide
>> and about 10cm high, so I have aligned it left and set contour to
>> wrap right so that the text will flow down on the right of the
>> graphic. This works, but the text is smashed into the side of the
>> graphic. To fix this I tried Wrap > Edit Contour. ...
>
>If this is a simple rectangle (4x10), what happens when you just
>uncheck "Contour" and set Spacing:Right to whatever you want? (To
>begin, ignore Left, Top, Bottom, or just set them to 0.)

Thanks to everyone who replied, but nothing has worked.

It might help if I explain that the graphic is a set of three ancient
alphabets, each in its own column, with a fourth column containing a
transcription to a modern Roman character. All the characters,
including the fourth column are bitmaps; there is no 'text' as such
anywhere in the graphic. And it would be impossible to recreate it as a
table with text because the ancient characters don't exist in any font;
they were created from photographs of archeological materials.

I obtained this graphic originally as a PNG. When I couldn't adjust the
contour I used the GIMP to export it as a JPG, but that also failed.
Finally, I exported it as an EPS, but still no luck. Changing the
anchor to paragraph, page, or character makes no difference.

When I try to adjust the contour with the PNG or the JPG I see a faint
line around the right and left edges of the characters. The line jumps
in and out a bit, as the characters are all different, and the line
ultimately forms a sort of 'bounding box' encompassing all the
characters in the graphic. I can select this bounding box and even drag
it around, and I can also delete it. But I cannot change its size or
shape. And I have no idea what it is - no 'handles' on it. I can also
select the entire graphic in the edit contour window, which then gives
me a perfectly rectangular item with handles. But I can't do anything
with it - I can't move it, resize it, or change it in any way.

If I use the EPS version of the graphic there is no bounding box. I
can't select anything.

With any of the three versions of the graphic I tried all the tools in
the edit contour window, but none of them allow me to do anything
except the 'select point' tool. That allows me to select the entire
bounding box, which looks like it has a point at the rightmost and
leftmost of each character, but I can't do anything with any of the
points. All I can do is select all of them and stare at them.

The edit contour window also has a scroll box with '10%' in it as the
default. I tried setting it to different percentages, but I can't find
any way to make them cause any changes. The Help files don't mention
this scroll box, so I don't know what it is for. In fact, the Help file
doesn't say anything about any of the tools in the window.

I think this is a bug. In the meantime, in order to get the job done I
created a second blank graphic frame about 1cm wide and the same height
as my graphic and placed it immediately to the right of my graphic.
After setting text wrap to right for the new, blank graphic the text is
no longer smashed into the main graphic.

But there's something seriously wrong with the way the edit contour
window works, or fails to work.

I could upload my graphic if this list can take an attachment.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Edit contour not working

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:31:39 +0100
Brian Barker  dijo:

>At 21:06 10/06/2020 -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>>I have a graphic on a page in Writer. [...] I have aligned it left
>>and set contour to wrap right so that the text will flow down on the
>>right of the graphic. This works, but the text is smashed into the
>>side of the graphic.
>
>If you go to the Wrap tab of the Image dialogue (Format | Image |
>Properties | Wrap or right-click | Properties | Wrap), do you not see
>Spacing? Increase Right to some suitable positive value.

Aha! A completely different way to solve the problem. The Edit Contour
option still does not work - can't select or do anything. But this
solution worked, and probably a lot easier than trying to edit the
contour. I had the Properties window open numerous times, but
completely missed the Wrap tab.

Thanks!

Also, in poking around I note that there is a new version of LO
available. I hate programs that come out with new versions every couple
of months. Instead of installing it I think I'm going to uninstall this
6.3.4.2 and install LO from the Ubuntu repositories. That won't get
updated so often.

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[libreoffice-users] Repeat a footnote

[John Jason Jordan]

I created a footnote to define a term in a document. All went well,
except that the term occurs in more than one location on the same page
and I want to duplicate the number of the footnote in the text for the
other instances of the term, but have the text of the footnote appear
only once at the bottom of the page.

I started by copying the '1' after the first instance of the term and
pasting it at the end of the second instance of the term, but this
created a new footnote '2' with the text of the footnote at the bottom
of the page duplicated.

So I deleted footnote 2 and decided that I would just put a superscript
'1' at the end of the subsequent instances of the term. This works, but
I can't get the superscript 1 to look the same as the footnote '1.' The
footnote '1' is in some other font and heaven knows what size and
position it is in. I can select it, but selecting paragraph or character
dialog window doesn't reveal what its settings are. The character
dialog box just says it is 'normal.' The paragraph dialog box has a tab
for indents and spacing, which just echoes the style that is applied to
the whole paragraph, and the font tab is missing.

Where are the settings for the superscript numerals used in a footnote?

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[libreoffice-users] Position of caption

[John Jason Jordan]

LO 6.3.4.2, Xubuntu 18.04, downloaded from LO, not from the
repositories.

I have a small bitmap graphic that I sized to be the width of the first
line of a paragraph, to which first line indent style is applied. I
modified the style to make the first line indent 21.6 pt.

I created a caption for the graphic to be below it. As far as I can
tell the paragraph style for a caption is Figure. After creating the
caption (several lines high) I wanted its entire left margin to be 21.6
pt, but it appeared to be about 35 pt or so. I had to manually set the
left margin of the caption to be 11 pt in order to make it appear at
21.6 pt. This makes no sense to me.

Worse, there is a space between the caption and the image above it, as
well as a space between the caption and the following text, and this
space is too tall. I looked at the Figure style and it was set to place
6 pt above and below, but changing them both to 0 made no difference.
None of the regular text has anything but 0 in the paragraph settings
for space above or below.

I think there is something fundamental about the spacing for captions
that I don't understand. Can someone give me a clue?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Position of caption

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 10:05:12 -0400
Remy Gauthier  dijo:

>The only way I could see something similar to what you are describing
>is when the image anchor is "Anchor to Paragraph" in which case the
>caption (and the image for that matter) does seem to have a mind of its
>own.

You are exactly correct - I had it set to Anchor to Paragraph. But when
I changed it to Anchor to Character the bottom half of the image
disappeared. I selected properties and set its size to 540 pt. wide by
54 pt high (as it should appear on the page), and in the dialog box
changed all the settings to Character. When I clicked OK the image
disappeared completely and the cursor was suddenly at the end of the
document. I don't know any way to search a document for graphics
contained in it, so I don't know where it went. It's not at the end of
the document or on page 3 where it was originally placed. I don't want
it in the document twice, so I'm reluctant to start over and enter it
again, but I guess I'll have to.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Position of caption

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:05:29 -0700
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 10:05:12 -0400
>Remy Gauthier  dijo:
>
>>The only way I could see something similar to what you are describing
>>is when the image anchor is "Anchor to Paragraph" in which case the
>>caption (and the image for that matter) does seem to have a mind of
>>its own.
>
>You are exactly correct - I had it set to Anchor to Paragraph. But when
>I changed it to Anchor to Character the bottom half of the image
>disappeared. I selected properties and set its size to 540 pt. wide by
>54 pt high (as it should appear on the page), and in the dialog box
>changed all the settings to Character. When I clicked OK the image
>disappeared completely and the cursor was suddenly at the end of the
>document. I don't know any way to search a document for graphics
>contained in it, so I don't know where it went. It's not at the end of
>the document or on page 3 where it was originally placed. I don't want
>it in the document twice, so I'm reluctant to start over and enter it
>again, but I guess I'll have to.

I struggled for a couple hours trying to get the caption in the right
position, and finally I gave up. And in the process I discovered that
you can create a caption, but once created there is no way to select it
and delete it.

I selected everything on the page - all the text, including the
caption(s), and the graphic. With it all selected I did Ctrl-x to cut it
to the clipboard. Then I opened a blank document with Mousepad and
pasted it all in. Mousepad is a plain text only application, so this
deleted the graphic, any captions, and all formatting. Then I selected
it all in Mousepad, copied it to the clipboard, and did a paste special
as unformatted text into the Writer document. I reinserted my graphic
and sized and placed it as I wanted it. Then I took the part of the
text that was originally the caption and placed it below the graphic,
and applied the formatting so it appears as the caption.

The graphic now appears with what looks like a caption, but there is no
connection between the graphic and the text that follows it.

I will never again create a caption in LO.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Narrow equivalent in margins in Writer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 21:07:38 +0200
Kolbjørn Stuestøl  dijo:

>Den 30.08.2020 20:12, skreiv Robert Funnell:
>> In the page style you can modify the left and right margins in the 
>> same way as you modify the top and bottom margins. Does that not do 
>> what you want?  
>
>Or perhaps using the arrows (triangles) on the ruler just below the
>tool lines on top of the side is what you are looking for. Select the
>text and slide the arrows on the ruler to where you want the left or
>right margins.
>I am not using MS Word (although I am using Windows) so perhaps I 
>misunderstood your question.

And once you have a blank page with the margins you want, save it as a
page style. Now it's just one click to apply it. Or you can apply a
keyboard shortcut to apply the page style.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Narrow equivalent in margins in Writer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 16:55:19 -0400
Dan Lewis  dijo:

>> And once you have a blank page with the margins you want, save it as
>> a page style. Now it's just one click to apply it. Or you can apply a
>> keyboard shortcut to apply the page style.

>John: Are you talking about saving that blank page with the narrow
>margins set as a template? This way, double clicking this template
>will automatically open a new document with the narrow margins.

I really meant that you should save it as a page style. In my LO
Writer styles palette I have character styles, paragraph styles, frame
styles, and page styles. And I misspoke - it's really two clicks to
apply it, because first you have to click to switch from paragraph
styles (the default view) to page styles.

But you could just as easily do it with a template. I just prefer styles
because LO templates confuse me.

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