RE: Using Google's GBoard with the iPhone

[Robert Wright]

Just out of curiosity do you have problems correcting dictated messages?

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From: Jim Fettgather
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using Google's GBoard with the iPhone

Hi to the list.
I am so close to get this to working, but I cannot figure out a few steps.
You may have experienced less than stellar results with IOS dictation, even so 
far as to experience dictating text, having it show up correctly when 
reviewing, and then when you look at the results, you get back something quite 
different than what you had originally dictated, and sometimes, dramatically 
different.
I decided to download and install Google’s GBoard, and make it a third party 
keyboard, but only with partial success.
Apparently, there is a button that you must activate called Hide Keyboard.
I have only been able to find this button only one time.
When you do this, you double tap and hold on the spacebar, and Google’s 
dictation will begin.
Google’s dictation, at least for right now, is incredibly more accurate than 
the dictation in IOS, at least, this is what I have found, especially in the 
messages app.
I was able to get perfect dictation results, but now that darn Hide Keyboard 
button has disappeared!
I fully understand and appreciate that some may be experiencing no problems 
with dictation at all.
So, I am wondering if anyone has tried installing and using GBoard, available 
for free in the app store,  and what your experiences may have been.
Thanks.
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Re: Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with the iPhone

[Brett]

Hi,

there is a librelink app for the freestyle Libre you would need to check if 
it's released in your country. If it is the librelink app can be used to 
start and read the sensor. I'm currently using mine with Android and I'm 
due to start a new sensor in about 5 days, so I can test the iPhone 
accessibility if you can wait till then.

Cheers,
Brett.




On 5 November 2018 3:54:28 pm Terri Stimmel  
wrote:



 Hello everyone,

Does anyone know anything regarding the freestyle libre for diabetes? How 
will it work with an iPhone? You are using an app if there is one? Or you 
thinking something like seeing AI?


If anyone can tell me anything, I would really appreciate it.

Thank you,

Terri

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Was wondering about the freestyle libre and accessibility with the iPhone

[Terri Stimmel]

 Hello everyone,

Does anyone know anything regarding the freestyle libre for diabetes? How will 
it work with an iPhone? You are using an app if there is one? Or you thinking 
something like seeing AI?

If anyone can tell me anything, I would really appreciate it.

Thank you,

Terri

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Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Arlene]

Sieghard, as it turns out I don't think we got into the screen recording last 
night as I was thinking, but  we would like to test it and learn about it since 
we weren't aware of it. Anyway we find screen recording in the control center, 
but how do you begin the recording? After you let me know how to start the 
recording, then we could send the recording to you. We know how to activate it, 
remove it and move it around, but Wayne can't find the controls for it, so if 
you could tell us  how to find the controls and how to use it, to start the 
recording and stop the recording, that would be very ehlpful, we really want to 
learn this. If it's on the ipad too, we'll try it on there as well.  We're 
coming along with the phone, but  we're still learning as it's just been from 
earlier this year that we got these se phones, so your knowledge, and others on 
here is so helpful. there's always something else to learn. Thank you.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 8:19 PM
  Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover


  Arlene,

   

  If you made a screen recording it would be in your Photos app, could you 
please send it to the list or myself directly as an attachment so I can hear 
how it sounds differently or, as you say, normally, this would help me in my 
discussion with Apple Accessibility.

  All you have to do is locate the video in the Photos app, double tap on it, 
then find the Share button, select Mail and send it to Viphone@GoogleGroups.com 
if you want to post it to the list or send it to me directly, the email address 
is siegh...@live.ca

  I would really be very interested since you would be the first person who can 
make a screen recording where Voiceover is heard loud and clear.

   

  Thanks,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
  Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:14 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

   

  Sieghard, we followed your instructions, and I think we tested recording in 
both screen recorder and voice memo and with both our voices and voice over can 
be heard very clearly. I know the concern  you have isn't about voice memo, but 
we did want to try both. As I said I'm quite sure we did test screen recording 
even though at first we weren't sure what you meant, but I think we did find 
it. I'll have to go over with Wayne what we did, in case I'm missing something. 
I hope someone has the answer to remedy this situation with screen recorder for 
you and others. I possibly might have questions a bit later and if I do I'll 
write back and ask whatever questions I have about the screen recording. Thanks 
again for the mentioning of your situation about recording, since it can be so 
useful in differing situations, that we weren't thinking about. 

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:45 PM

Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

 

Hello Arlene,

 

Voice Memos is a completely different app, in a way, screen recording is 
not an app but a function of iOS. I know Voice memos and other recording apps 
work fine and I see that some people can make a screen recording where 
Voiceover can be heard although not very loud. I did include instructions on 
how to enable the microphone for screen recordings in my original message, you 
do it by flicking up or  down on Screen Recorder to "Open Controls" and double 
tap, then locate the Microphone toggle.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

 

Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is 
what we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely 
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the 
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same 
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is 
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder 
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice 
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the 
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except 
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, 
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from 
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one 
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a 
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but 

Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Maria Reyes]

HI, 
I can definitely confirm this problem. When I hit start recording, VoiceOver 
will go to the earpiece. I can still hear it but it's not very loud. At least 
while I was recording. I will send the attachment in a separate message. 

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Arlene,
>  
> If you made a screen recording it would be in your Photos app, could you 
> please send it to the list or myself directly as an attachment so I can hear 
> how it sounds differently or, as you say, normally, this would help me in my 
> discussion with Apple Accessibility.
> All you have to do is locate the video in the Photos app, double tap on it, 
> then find the Share button, select Mail and send it to 
> Viphone@GoogleGroups.com if you want to post it to the list or send it to me 
> directly, the email address is siegh...@live.ca
> I would really be very interested since you would be the first person who can 
> make a screen recording where Voiceover is heard loud and clear.
>  
> Thanks,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
> Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover
>  
> Sieghard, we followed your instructions, and I think we tested recording in 
> both screen recorder and voice memo and with both our voices and voice over 
> can be heard very clearly. I know the concern  you have isn't about voice 
> memo, but we did want to try both. As I said I'm quite sure we did test 
> screen recording even though at first we weren't sure what you meant, but I 
> think we did find it. I'll have to go over with Wayne what we did, in case 
> I'm missing something. I hope someone has the answer to remedy this situation 
> with screen recorder for you and others. I possibly might have questions a 
> bit later and if I do I'll write back and ask whatever questions I have about 
> the screen recording. Thanks again for the mentioning  of your situation 
> about recording, since it can be so useful in differing situations, that we 
> weren't thinking about. 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover
>  
> Hello Arlene,
>  
> Voice Memos is a completely different app, in a way, screen recording is not 
> an app but a function of iOS. I know Voice memos and other recording apps 
> work fine and I see that some people can make a screen recording where 
> Voiceover can be heard although not very loud. I did include instructions on 
> how to enable the microphone for screen recordings in my original message, 
> you do it by flicking up or  down on Screen Recorder to "Open Controls" and 
> double tap, then locate the Microphone toggle.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
> Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover
>  
> Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is 
> what we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
> located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll 
> definitely spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable 
> the microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the 
> same thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this 
> is what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo 
> recorder it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice 
> over's voice very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 
> 12.1, nad on the other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 
> se phones except for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking 
> your question, getting us interested in this because recording some things 
> may be useful from time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but 
> this would be one way to get one done. On the phone with the current software 
> we downloaded a recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so 
> far, but it works just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work 
> the same way including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just  
> how you want it to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on 
> applevis and that's where we found it. However, down the way and when time 
> permits we may end up doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about 
> recording.
> Arlene and Wayne
> www.alldigitalaudio.com
>  
> arlenes71...@earthlink.net
> greenwoo...@cox.net
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM
> Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover
>  
> Hello,
>  
> I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
> something with Voiceover. Unfortunately 

RE: Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

[Richard Turner]

Its in the setting of the app.
Not all apps offer this.
It has been a couple years since I did that.
Richard



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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
April Yuille
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

Hi

How do you turn off the filtering that Apple put in place?

Thanks
Debbie

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2018 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

There are lots.  Just Press Record is good, Audio memos Pro is very good and 
you can turn off the filtering that Apple puts in place to get a better 
recording.  Some people swear Ferrite Recording Studio.  I find that one a bit 
confusing with VoiceOver.

I hope that helps,
Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Debbie 
April Yuille
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

Hi All

I have an iPad Pro and I was wondering what is the best app for good quality 
voice recordings. I’ve used the built in one but it only gives me 2 choices, a 
low quality one which is too low and the High quality one which makes to files 
way too large.

Any suggestions are much appreciated.
Debbie
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RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Arlene,

If you made a screen recording it would be in your Photos app, could you please 
send it to the list or myself directly as an attachment so I can hear how it 
sounds differently or, as you say, normally, this would help me in my 
discussion with Apple Accessibility.
All you have to do is locate the video in the Photos app, double tap on it, 
then find the Share button, select Mail and send it to 
Viphone@GoogleGroups.com if you want to post 
it to the list or send it to me directly, the email address is 
siegh...@live.ca
I would really be very interested since you would be the first person who can 
make a screen recording where Voiceover is heard loud and clear.

Thanks,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

Sieghard, we followed your instructions, and I think we tested recording in 
both screen recorder and voice memo and with both our voices and voice over can 
be heard very clearly. I know the concern  you have isn't about voice memo, but 
we did want to try both. As I said I'm quite sure we did test screen recording 
even though at first we weren't sure what you meant, but I think we did find 
it. I'll have to go over with Wayne what we did, in case I'm missing something. 
I hope someone has the answer to remedy this situation with screen recorder for 
you and others. I possibly might have questions a bit later and if I do I'll 
write back and ask whatever questions I have about the screen recording. Thanks 
again for the mentioning of your situation about recording, since it can be so 
useful in differing situations, that we weren't thinking about.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

Hello Arlene,

Voice Memos is a completely different app, in a way, screen recording is not an 
app but a function of iOS. I know Voice memos and other recording apps work 
fine and I see that some people can make a screen recording where Voiceover can 
be heard although not very loud. I did include instructions on how to enable 
the microphone for screen recordings in my original message, you do it by 
flicking up or  down on Screen Recorder to "Open Controls" and double tap, then 
locate the Microphone toggle.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is what 
we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely 
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the 
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same 
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is 
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder 
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice 
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the 
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except 
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, 
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from 
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one 
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a 
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works 
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way 
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just  how you want it 
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's 
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up 
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.
Arlene and Wayne
www.alldigitalaudio.com

arlenes71...@earthlink.net
greenwoo...@cox.net


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM
Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover

Hello,

I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is 
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what 
Voiceover is 

Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Arlene]

Sieghard, thank you for this additional  information about screen recording and 
about the location in control center, and the fact that it's not an app.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:54 PM
  Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover


  Hi Fazil,

   

  Screen Recorder is in Control Centre, touch the time or other item in the 
status bar at the top of the phone and swipe up with 3 fingers, it is one of 
the items in the bottom 3 rows of apps in Control Centre.

  You can customize what is displayed in Control Centre in Settings > Control 
Centre, but Screen Recording is not an app, i.e. it is not available somewhere 
on a home screen, it is only available from Control Centre.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil 
M.
  Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 11:42 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

   

  What is the gesture to bring the phone in to screen recording mode?

  Thanks!

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 6:19 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

   

  Not Sieghard, but with Screen Recording you get a video of what is happening 
on the screen along with your narration.  Rather than double tapping on Screen 
Recording, touch it once to get it focused and flick down to open controls and 
double tap.

  Then, the microphone button is one flick right I believe, which you want to 
turn on before going back to the start recording.

  Also, you want your screen curtain off and brightness at a level a sighted 
person can see.

   

  Voice Memos only records your voice, and probably VoiceOver, but that doesn’t 
help if you want someone to see what is happening on the screen.

   

  HTH,

  Richard

   

  “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
  Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

   

  Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is 
what we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely 
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the 
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same 
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is 
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder 
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice 
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the 
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except 
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, 
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from 
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one 
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a 
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works 
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way 
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just  how you want it 
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's 
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up 
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.

  Arlene and Wayne

  www.alldigitalaudio.com

   

  arlenes71...@earthlink.net

  greenwoo...@cox.net

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM

Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover

 

Hello,

 

I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is 
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what 
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could 
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover 
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be 
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking 
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the 
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but 
nothing else.

 

I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could 
test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people 

RE: Otter Box Defender case for 8 Plus

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What frame? They are stil thin and work with any thin case you have on your 
phone.
I would definitely recommend to ask at the Apple Store to have it installed 
though, putting on a screen protector is a precise operation and while I am not 
saying a blind person can't do it, it is one of these things a sighted person 
can do better especially one at a store who has done it maybe dozens or 
hundreds of times. I had mine put on I think 2 years ago or even longer and 
it's still absolutely perfect. 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Otter Box Defender case for 8 Plus

I wonder if it would fit under the edges of my frame? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Otter Box Defender case for 8 Plus

If you get a good glass screen protector you'll never know the difference 
between it and the actual screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Otter Box Defender case for 8 Plus

Oh, Bill, I had that kind with my 4S, used it as a selling point for the phone, 
but I don't ever want another one like that. I think you'll get it, just easy 
does it, don't work too hard at it like most everything with the phone itself. 

I never really learned to use the 4S, like I have the SE, but I did manage that 
case. Then my husband had the phone for a while, and he didn't like the case, 
said it was too bulky for such a little phone, and I agreed with him. 

When I got my SE, Consumer Cellular had a silicone case kind of like we have 
with the Victor Reader stream, only fitted for the phone. I put it right on and 
am especially careful with the screen, since it did not have a screen 
protector. I kind of like the feel of the real screen though. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Outman
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Otter Box Defender case for 8 Plus

Good evening, list.  

 

I finally bought  my Otter Box Defender case for my 8 Plus today.  I was shown 
how to work with it in the store but don’t remember everything apparently.  I 
should note I had a lot of stress because I had an incident where I was using 
my bank’s ATM as the branch was closed, and had to go to another branch across 
town to get cash and get my check card replaced with a temporary because I 
couldn’t get it back from the machine.  

 

I went to my A. T. & T. store and bought the case and had a couple technical 
issues checked, namely the visual voice mail issue I mentioned a few days ago, 
which turned out to be fine; apparently it hadn’t fully updated along with the 
iOS update, but it’s fine now.  

 

The problem I am having is finding and manipulating the latch consistently and 
intentionally that allows for both removal from the holster and placement back 
into it.  I was fine working with it in the store, but when I got home I had 
trouble.  I remembered how to manipulate the belt clip, but couldn’t find the 
latch for the  phone that is inside the case.  Then when I took it all off my 
belt, mysteriously it popped open.  I got it put together but I’m not sure I 
did it right.  

 

I don’t want to on the one hand break it trying to find that latch, or have it 
pop open unintentionally because it isn’t secure.  

 

I tried to call the store but the number I had might be for one salesperson and 
not the store itself.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

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Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Arlene]

Sieghard, we followed your instructions, and I think we tested recording in 
both screen recorder and voice memo and with both our voices and voice over can 
be heard very clearly. I know the concern  you have isn't about voice memo, but 
we did want to try both. As I said I'm quite sure we did test screen recording 
even though at first we weren't sure what you meant, but I think we did find 
it. I'll have to go over with Wayne what we did, in case I'm missing something. 
I hope someone has the answer to remedy this situation with screen recorder for 
you and others. I possibly might have questions a bit later and if I do I'll 
write back and ask whatever questions I have about the screen recording. Thanks 
again for the mentioning of your situation about recording, since it can be so 
useful in differing situations, that we weren't thinking about. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:45 PM
  Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover


  Hello Arlene,

   

  Voice Memos is a completely different app, in a way, screen recording is not 
an app but a function of iOS. I know Voice memos and other recording apps work 
fine and I see that some people can make a screen recording where Voiceover can 
be heard although not very loud. I did include instructions on how to enable 
the microphone for screen recordings in my original message, you do it by 
flicking up or  down on Screen Recorder to "Open Controls" and double tap, then 
locate the Microphone toggle.

   

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
  Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

   

  Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is 
what we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely 
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the 
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same 
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is 
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder 
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice 
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the 
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except 
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, 
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from 
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one 
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a 
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works 
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way 
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just  how you want it 
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's 
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up 
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.

  Arlene and Wayne

  www.alldigitalaudio.com

   

  arlenes71...@earthlink.net

  greenwoo...@cox.net

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM

Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover

 

Hello,

 

I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is 
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what 
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could 
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover 
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be 
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking 
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the 
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but 
nothing else.

 

I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could 
test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people 
with an iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do  some testing that would be great. 
Please make sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre 
to Adjust controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before starting. 
Then try it with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external 
speaker or switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or 
wired external speaker.

 

Below is a message I just wrote to Apple 

RE: Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

[Debbie April Yuille]

Hi

 

How do you turn off the filtering that Apple put in place?

 

Thanks

Debbie

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2018 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

 

There are lots.  Just Press Record is good, Audio memos Pro is very good and 
you can turn off the filtering that Apple puts in place to get a better 
recording.  Some people swear Ferrite Recording Studio.  I find that one a bit 
confusing with VoiceOver.

 

I hope that helps,

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
April Yuille
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

 

Hi All

 

I have an iPad Pro and I was wondering what is the best app for good quality 
voice recordings. I’ve used the built in one but it only gives me 2 choices, a 
low quality one which is too low and the High quality one which makes to files 
way too large.

 

Any suggestions are much appreciated.

Debbie

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RE: Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

[Richard Turner]

There are lots.  Just Press Record is good, Audio memos Pro is very good and 
you can turn off the filtering that Apple puts in place to get a better 
recording.  Some people swear Ferrite Recording Studio.  I find that one a bit 
confusing with VoiceOver.

I hope that helps,
Richard



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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
April Yuille
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

Hi All

I have an iPad Pro and I was wondering what is the best app for good quality 
voice recordings. I’ve used the built in one but it only gives me 2 choices, a 
low quality one which is too low and the High quality one which makes to files 
way too large.

Any suggestions are much appreciated.
Debbie
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Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

[l . d . ethier23]

It’s the same for me and Kennedy

Lyne

> Le 4 nov. 2018 à 19:50, Donna  a écrit :
> 
> Davie, I have been following this conversation for the past two days. I have 
> opened Facebook Messenger, swiped to a conversation that I wanted to delete, 
> without opening the conversation I turned the rotor to Actions, flicked to 
> delete & was able to delete the entire conversation. With Messenger open, I 
> swiped to a group conversation, following the above steps, I was able to 
> delete the group conversation. With the messenger app open, I opened a 
> conversation & was able to delete my part in the conversation by turning the 
> rotor to Actions & flicking to delete. Facebook releases different versions 
> of Facebook & Facebook Messenger to different regions of the world at 
> different times. I live in the US. My thought is that your country has a 
> different version of Messenger than those of us who can’t recreate the 
> problem that you are having. This is the only thing that makes sense
> 
> Donnathat the rotor to action
> 
>> Hi Sieghard
>>  
>> Thanx for your answer.
>>  
>> You do not fully understand what I am saying. All you said before is really 
>> true you are right on one hand.
>> But, in formertimes, just flicking up when selecting the name of that 
>> person, you could hit the delete button and all conversations you ever made 
>> with that person were gone immediately. This can nolonger be done. You can 
>> do this with a computer but no longer with an iphone or ipad. You can erase 
>> chat by chat but not all conversations at once.
>>  
>> Everything you argue is right, yes you can still delete conversations one by 
>> one. Go through your list of chats without opening them, you only see the 
>> last chat you made with that particular person which is totally normal. Just 
>> flick up and push the delete button, nothing happens and the thing that 
>> should happen is that all chats of that person should have been deleted. 
>> this does nolonger work many Belgian and Dutch blind people have tested that 
>> and it is not user dependend or device dependend it is an overall bug. The 
>> world will not perish for me while this bug exists and I admit, I wasn’t 
>> even aware of it  because other people brought it to my attention asking to 
>> test it.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>>  
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 8:42 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>>  
>> Hi Davy,
>>  
>> But for me this is simply not true, I deleted several old conversations and 
>> flicking to Delete and double tapping worked reliably each time and did 
>> exactly what I wanted it to do and the conversations are gone.
>> I know at least one or two other people replied to your initial message and 
>> also confirmed it works for them as always.
>> Sorry, but you have previously given the alarm about some Facebook or 
>> messenger bug which it seemed you and your friends experienced and which 
>> others on the list couldn't reproduce and I won't report something as a bug 
>> which is not a bug for me. If you and your friends experience this then by 
>> all means, report it and see if Facebook's accessibility team can reproduce 
>> it, I can't.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
>> Cuppens
>> Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>>  
>> Hi Sieghard
>>  
>> What I want to stress is that it is nolonger possible to delete the whole 
>> conversations of one contact at once, while the rotor function delete is 
>> pronounced correctly but can nolonger be executed. And for sure this was the 
>> case in formertimes.
>> Please would you all be so kind to report this bug to facebook?
>> Regards
>> Davy
>>  
>> From: Robin Frost
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>>  
>> Hi,
>> Funny you mention this  as just yesterday I was in this app and noted that 
>> it doesn’t read in coming messages automatically at least not by me.  The 
>> only way I could get alerted to new messages was to lock the phone but then 
>> the sighted person with  whom I was speaking kept saying I was disappearing 
>> in terms of their view. I thought the app used to read in coming messages as 
>> they arrived but perhaps my memory is faulty on this one. Are there any 
>> work-arounds for this?
>> Robin
>>  
>>  
>> From: Davy Cuppens
>> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:20 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>>  
>> Hi folks
>>  
>> It is no longer possible to delete messages in messenger using the rotor 
>> tasks. However, you can click on delete message but nothing happens. If you 
>> hold and release after the 3 progress beeps you can access the menu for that 
>> 

Best Voice Recording App for iPad Pro.

[Debbie April Yuille]

Hi All

 

I have an iPad Pro and I was wondering what is the best app for good quality
voice recordings. I've used the built in one but it only gives me 2 choices,
a low quality one which is too low and the High quality one which makes to
files way too large.

 

Any suggestions are much appreciated.

Debbie

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Using Google's GBoard with the iPhone

[Jim Fettgather]

Hi to the list.
I am so close to get this to working, but I cannot figure out a few steps.
You may have experienced less than stellar results with IOS dictation, even so 
far as to experience dictating text, having it show up correctly when 
reviewing, and then when you look at the results, you get back something quite 
different than what you had originally dictated, and sometimes, dramatically 
different.
I decided to download and install Google’s GBoard, and make it a third party 
keyboard, but only with partial success.
Apparently, there is a button that you must activate called Hide Keyboard.
I have only been able to find this button only one time.
When you do this, you double tap and hold on the spacebar, and Google’s 
dictation will begin.
Google’s dictation, at least for right now, is incredibly more accurate than 
the dictation in IOS, at least, this is what I have found, especially in the 
messages app.
I was able to get perfect dictation results, but now that darn Hide Keyboard 
button has disappeared!
I fully understand and appreciate that some may be experiencing no problems 
with dictation at all.
So, I am wondering if anyone has tried installing and using GBoard, available 
for free in the app store,  and what your experiences may have been.
Thanks.

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Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

[Donna]

Davie, I have been following this conversation for the past two days. I have 
opened Facebook Messenger, swiped to a conversation that I wanted to delete, 
without opening the conversation I turned the rotor to Actions, flicked to 
delete & was able to delete the entire conversation. With Messenger open, I 
swiped to a group conversation, following the above steps, I was able to delete 
the group conversation. With the messenger app open, I opened a conversation & 
was able to delete my part in the conversation by turning the rotor to Actions 
& flicking to delete. Facebook releases different versions of Facebook & 
Facebook Messenger to different regions of the world at different times. I live 
in the US. My thought is that your country has a different version of Messenger 
than those of us who can’t recreate the problem that you are having. This is 
the only thing that makes sense

Donnathat the rotor to action
> 
> Hi Sieghard
>  
> Thanx for your answer.
>  
> You do not fully understand what I am saying. All you said before is really 
> true you are right on one hand.
> But, in formertimes, just flicking up when selecting the name of that person, 
> you could hit the delete button and all conversations you ever made with that 
> person were gone immediately. This can nolonger be done. You can do this with 
> a computer but no longer with an iphone or ipad. You can erase chat by chat 
> but not all conversations at once.
>  
> Everything you argue is right, yes you can still delete conversations one by 
> one. Go through your list of chats without opening them, you only see the 
> last chat you made with that particular person which is totally normal. Just 
> flick up and push the delete button, nothing happens and the thing that 
> should happen is that all chats of that person should have been deleted. this 
> does nolonger work many Belgian and Dutch blind people have tested that and 
> it is not user dependend or device dependend it is an overall bug. The world 
> will not perish for me while this bug exists and I admit, I wasn’t even aware 
> of it because other people brought it to my attention asking to test it.
> Regards
> Davy
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 8:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>  
> Hi Davy,
>  
> But for me this is simply not true, I deleted several old conversations and 
> flicking to Delete and double tapping worked reliably each time and did 
> exactly what I wanted it to do and the conversations are gone.
> I know at least one or two other people replied to your initial message and 
> also confirmed it works for them as always.
> Sorry, but you have previously given the alarm about some Facebook or 
> messenger bug which it seemed you and your friends experienced and which 
> others on the list couldn't reproduce and I won't report something as a bug 
> which is not a bug for me. If you and your friends experience this then by 
> all means, report it and see if Facebook's accessibility team can reproduce 
> it, I can't.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
> Cuppens
> Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>  
> Hi Sieghard
>  
> What I want to stress is that it is nolonger possible to delete the whole 
> conversations of one contact at once, while the rotor function delete is 
> pronounced correctly but can nolonger be executed. And for sure this was the 
> case in formertimes.
> Please would you all be so kind to report this bug to facebook?
> Regards
> Davy
>  
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>  
> Hi,
> Funny you mention this  as just yesterday I was in this app and noted that it 
> doesn’t read in coming messages automatically at least not by me.  The only 
> way I could get alerted to new messages was to lock the phone but then the 
> sighted person with whom I was speaking kept saying I was disappearing in 
> terms of their view. I thought the app used to read in coming messages as 
> they arrived but perhaps my memory is faulty on this one. Are there any 
> work-arounds for this?
> Robin
>  
>  
> From: Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>  
> Hi folks
>  
> It is no longer possible to delete messages in messenger using the rotor 
> tasks. However, you can click on delete message but nothing happens. If you 
> hold and release after the 3 progress beeps you can access the menu for that 
> person but there seems to be no option to delete the conversation.
>  
> For the users of itunes 12.6.3 it makes no sense to roll back to a previous 
> version of the app because when reinstalling the app on your 

RE: Otter Box Defender case for 8 Plus

[Carolyn Arnold]

I wonder if it would fit under the edges of my frame? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Otter Box Defender case for 8 Plus

If you get a good glass screen protector you'll never know the difference 
between it and the actual screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Otter Box Defender case for 8 Plus

Oh, Bill, I had that kind with my 4S, used it as a selling point for the phone, 
but I don't ever want another one like that. I think you'll get it, just easy 
does it, don't work too hard at it like most everything with the phone itself. 

I never really learned to use the 4S, like I have the SE, but I did manage that 
case. Then my husband had the phone for a while, and he didn't like the case, 
said it was too bulky for such a little phone, and I agreed with him. 

When I got my SE, Consumer Cellular had a silicone case kind of like we have 
with the Victor Reader stream, only fitted for the phone. I put it right on and 
am especially careful with the screen, since it did not have a screen 
protector. I kind of like the feel of the real screen though. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Outman
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Otter Box Defender case for 8 Plus

Good evening, list.  

 

I finally bought  my Otter Box Defender case for my 8 Plus today.  I was shown 
how to work with it in the store but don’t remember everything apparently.  I 
should note I had a lot of stress because I had an incident where I was using 
my bank’s ATM as the branch was closed, and had to go to another branch across 
town to get cash and get my check card replaced with a temporary because I 
couldn’t get it back from the machine.  

 

I went to my A. T. & T. store and bought the case and had a couple technical 
issues checked, namely the visual voice mail issue I mentioned a few days ago, 
which turned out to be fine; apparently it hadn’t fully updated along with the 
iOS update, but it’s fine now.  

 

The problem I am having is finding and manipulating the latch consistently and 
intentionally that allows for both removal from the holster and placement back 
into it.  I was fine working with it in the store, but when I got home I had 
trouble.  I remembered how to manipulate the belt clip, but couldn’t find the 
latch for the  phone that is inside the case.  Then when I took it all off my 
belt, mysteriously it popped open.  I got it put together but I’m not sure I 
did it right.  

 

I don’t want to on the one hand break it trying to find that latch, or have it 
pop open unintentionally because it isn’t secure.  

 

I tried to call the store but the number I had might be for one salesperson and 
not the store itself.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Janet,

Hopefully you figure it out by now, I was amazed by how many messages and at 
times conflicting instructions this simple question generated. A simple google 
search for "How to power off an iPhone XR" provided the steps and many links 
where same steps were explained, here an example from Tom's Guide:

How to Turn Off the iPhone XR, XS and XS Max
On the iPhone XS, iPhone XR and iPhone X, the old way of turning off your 
iPhone has gone the way of the headphone jack. No longer do you press and hold 
the side/power button to power down; that action is now reserved for summoning 
Siri.
Here’s what you do instead when you want to turn off your iPhone:
1. Press and hold the side button and either volume button. Make sure you press 
down long enough; pressing too short could result in a screen shot if you’re 
using the Volume Up Button.
2. Swipe the power icon from the left to the right on your screen to turn off 
your iPhone.

The only thing here to keep in mind is that a sighted person immediately sees 
the power icon, a blind person may have to swipe to it and then double tap, 
this is the same as on the Apple Watch.
Also, you may simply want to get used to using the volume down button and that 
way you'll never run the risk of accidently taking a screenshot.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Hi, 
Ok I once again tried to do a typical restart, by pressing the power button and 
wait for the option to shut down, but that only just brought up Siri, not a 
restart though.  
Any other suggestions? 
Janet 
Thank you.  



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Yes, press volume up and release quickly. then press volume down and 
release quickly. Then press and hold power button and count to 12. Your 
phone will reboot and come up like you're wanting. This is something you 
would want to do if the phone is stuck or other things like that. If 
you're just wanting to do a typical restart, power down by holding power 
button until voice over says power down. Then choose the on screen 
button to shut it down. then just turn your phone back on.


On 11/4/2018 11:19 AM, janet gross wrote:
> HI Maria,
> Ok I just tried pressing the up volume button and the power button but not 
> for very long, and I got a message telling me I can take a screen shot.  So 
> this isn't working either.
> Any other suggestions?
> Thank you.
> Janet
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Reyes
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>
> You can also hold the power button with one of the volume buttons but don't 
> hold them in too long or you will call 911.
>
>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:15 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
>> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap 
>> and you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h 
>> hard reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
>> Harry
>>
>>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> Janet
>>>
>>>
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RE: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

[Sieghard Weitzel]

OK, then I guess I don't understand because for me in Messenger all messages 
with one person are in a single chat not in multiple chats.
Not sure how they would be in multiple chats, if I message somebody and they 
message me back and say we exchange 10 or 20 messages then that comprises a 
conversation.
If I don't delete this conversation and two month later I message them again 
and we exchange another 10 messages then for me they will be part of that 
original conversation so if I delete that conversation it's gone and I see 
nothing else from that person.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi Sieghard

Thanx for your answer.

You do not fully understand what I am saying. All you said before is really 
true you are right on one hand.
But, in formertimes, just flicking up when selecting the name of that person, 
you could hit the delete button and all conversations you ever made with that 
person were gone immediately. This can nolonger be done. You can do this with a 
computer but no longer with an iphone or ipad. You can erase chat by chat but 
not all conversations at once.

Everything you argue is right, yes you can still delete conversations one by 
one. Go through your list of chats without opening them, you only see the last 
chat you made with that particular person which is totally normal. Just flick 
up and push the delete button, nothing happens and the thing that should happen 
is that all chats of that person should have been deleted. this does nolonger 
work many Belgian and Dutch blind people have tested that and it is not user 
dependend or device dependend it is an overall bug. The world will not perish 
for me while this bug exists and I admit, I wasn’t even aware of it because 
other people brought it to my attention asking to test it.
Regards
Davy

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi Davy,

But for me this is simply not true, I deleted several old conversations and 
flicking to Delete and double tapping worked reliably each time and did exactly 
what I wanted it to do and the conversations are gone.
I know at least one or two other people replied to your initial message and 
also confirmed it works for them as always.
Sorry, but you have previously given the alarm about some Facebook or messenger 
bug which it seemed you and your friends experienced and which others on the 
list couldn't reproduce and I won't report something as a bug which is not a 
bug for me. If you and your friends experience this then by all means, report 
it and see if Facebook's accessibility team can reproduce it, I can't.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi Sieghard

What I want to stress is that it is nolonger possible to delete the whole 
conversations of one contact at once, while the rotor function delete is 
pronounced correctly but can nolonger be executed. And for sure this was the 
case in formertimes.
Please would you all be so kind to report this bug to facebook?
Regards
Davy

From: Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi,
Funny you mention this  as just yesterday I was in this app and noted that it 
doesn’t read in coming messages automatically at least not by me.  The only way 
I could get alerted to new messages was to lock the phone but then the sighted 
person with whom I was speaking kept saying I was disappearing in terms of 
their view. I thought the app used to read in coming messages as they arrived 
but perhaps my memory is faulty on this one. Are there any work-arounds for 
this?
Robin


From: Davy Cuppens
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi folks

It is no longer possible to delete messages in messenger using the rotor tasks. 
However, you can click on delete message but nothing happens. If you hold and 
release after the 3 progress beeps you can access the menu for that person but 
there seems to be no option to delete the conversation.

For the users of itunes 12.6.3 it makes no sense to roll back to a previous 
version of the app because when reinstalling the app on your phone you are 
prompted to update the app otherwise it won’t work anymore.
Please report this bug to facebook accessibility.
Regards
Davy
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Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

Thanx for your answer.

You do not fully understand what I am saying. All you said before is really 
true you are right on one hand.
But, in formertimes, just flicking up when selecting the name of that person, 
you could hit the delete button and all conversations you ever made with that 
person were gone immediately. This can nolonger be done. You can do this with a 
computer but no longer with an iphone or ipad. You can erase chat by chat but 
not all conversations at once.

Everything you argue is right, yes you can still delete conversations one by 
one. Go through your list of chats without opening them, you only see the last 
chat you made with that particular person which is totally normal. Just flick 
up and push the delete button, nothing happens and the thing that should happen 
is that all chats of that person should have been deleted. this does nolonger 
work many Belgian and Dutch blind people have tested that and it is not user 
dependend or device dependend it is an overall bug. The world will not perish 
for me while this bug exists and I admit, I wasn’t even aware of it because 
other people brought it to my attention asking to test it.
Regards
Davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi Davy,

 

But for me this is simply not true, I deleted several old conversations and 
flicking to Delete and double tapping worked reliably each time and did exactly 
what I wanted it to do and the conversations are gone.

I know at least one or two other people replied to your initial message and 
also confirmed it works for them as always.

Sorry, but you have previously given the alarm about some Facebook or messenger 
bug which it seemed you and your friends experienced and which others on the 
list couldn't reproduce and I won't report something as a bug which is not a 
bug for me. If you and your friends experience this then by all means, report 
it and see if Facebook's accessibility team can reproduce it, I can't.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

 

Hi Sieghard 

 

What I want to stress is that it is nolonger possible to delete the whole 
conversations of one contact at once, while the rotor function delete is 
pronounced correctly but can nolonger be executed. And for sure this was the 
case in formertimes.

Please would you all be so kind to report this bug to facebook?

Regards

Davy 

 

From: Robin Frost 

Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:34 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

 

Hi,

Funny you mention this  as just yesterday I was in this app and noted that it 
doesn’t read in coming messages automatically at least not by me.  The only way 
I could get alerted to new messages was to lock the phone but then the sighted 
person with whom I was speaking kept saying I was disappearing in terms of 
their view. I thought the app used to read in coming messages as they arrived 
but perhaps my memory is faulty on this one. Are there any work-arounds for 
this?

Robin

 

 

From: Davy Cuppens 

Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:20 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

 

Hi folks 

 

It is no longer possible to delete messages in messenger using the rotor tasks. 
However, you can click on delete message but nothing happens. If you hold and 
release after the 3 progress beeps you can access the menu for that person but 
there seems to be no option to delete the conversation.

 

For the users of itunes 12.6.3 it makes no sense to roll back to a previous 
version of the app because when reinstalling the app on your phone you are 
prompted to update the app otherwise it won’t work anymore.

Please report this bug to facebook accessibility.

Regards

Davy 

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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is how it is on the Apple Watch as well.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Greg 
Wocher
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Hello,
When you see the emergency SOS flick left to go to the top of the screen. You 
should see slide to power off. For some reason power off and emergency SOS are 
on the same screen.

Greg Wocher


> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:52 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Maria, 
> When I press the volume up, and the power button, that is bringing up the 
> S.O.S emergency call.  The samething when I press the volume down and the 
> power button.   
> 
> Janet 
> Janet 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Reyes
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
> 
> Janet, What happens if you hold the power and one of the volume buttons for 
> 10 seconds? 
> 
> My group: 
> marias-chat+subscr...@googlegroups.com
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Harry, 
>> I should have the option if I want to reboot my phone or not regardless is 
>> to why I want to reboot, but I can't fine any way to do this.  
>> 
>> Janet. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Gordon
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>> 
>> So in your case since it's just a typical reboot, do as I suggested by 
>> just turning the phone off and back on. You don't need to force reboot 
>> for what you're wanting to do.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/4/2018 11:22 AM, janet gross wrote:
>>> Harry,
>>> I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:15 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>>> 
>>> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
>>> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap 
>>> and you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h 
>>> hard reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
>>> Harry
>>> 
 On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the 
 up volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, 
 and the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know 
 is happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the 
 phone does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, 
 but if it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but 
 I can't believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
 So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
 Thank you in advance.
 Janet
 
 
 
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RE: Opening EPub Document?

[Fazil M.]

Can I open in Windows7 too?

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 7:41 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Opening EPub Document?

 

Hi,

 

You can also use iBooks, which is free and built in.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 





On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:08 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 


You could try Dolphin Easy Reader, which is free unless you want different 
voices.

Voice Dream Reader will also read ePub. In both cases though, they cannot be 
DRM files, which are files tied to a specific company like Nook, iBooks, etc.

Richard

 

 

"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 


On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:09 AM, Fazil M. <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, list.

I have iPhone8 and 12.1 IOS.

How can I open an EPub document, please?

Thanks!

 

 

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RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Fazil,

Screen Recorder is in Control Centre, touch the time or other item in the 
status bar at the top of the phone and swipe up with 3 fingers, it is one of 
the items in the bottom 3 rows of apps in Control Centre.
You can customize what is displayed in Control Centre in Settings > Control 
Centre, but Screen Recording is not an app, i.e. it is not available somewhere 
on a home screen, it is only available from Control Centre.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

What is the gesture to bring the phone in to screen recording mode?
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 6:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

Not Sieghard, but with Screen Recording you get a video of what is happening on 
the screen along with your narration.  Rather than double tapping on Screen 
Recording, touch it once to get it focused and flick down to open controls and 
double tap.
Then, the microphone button is one flick right I believe, which you want to 
turn on before going back to the start recording.
Also, you want your screen curtain off and brightness at a level a sighted 
person can see.

Voice Memos only records your voice, and probably VoiceOver, but that doesn’t 
help if you want someone to see what is happening on the screen.

HTH,
Richard

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is what 
we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely 
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the 
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same 
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is 
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder 
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice 
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the 
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except 
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, 
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from 
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one 
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a 
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works 
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way 
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just  how you want it 
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's 
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up 
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.
Arlene and Wayne
www.alldigitalaudio.com

arlenes71...@earthlink.net
greenwoo...@cox.net


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM
Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover

Hello,

I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is 
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what 
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could 
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover 
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be 
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking 
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the 
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but 
nothing else.

I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could test 
this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people with an 
iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do  some testing that would be great. Please make 
sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre to 

Re: anouncinga deleted app

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
There’s not a way to do this. Once you confirm that you’d like to delete the 
app, it will just go away. You could check the screen to make sure it’s gone, 
but, other than that, there’s not much you can do. 
Aleeha 

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 1:41 PM, anthony borg  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks 
> Could you please explain to me how to set my iphone that after I delete an
> app, it will anounce that the app is deleted? 
> With thanks in advance 
> Anthony 
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RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Arlene,

Voice Memos is a completely different app, in a way, screen recording is not an 
app but a function of iOS. I know Voice memos and other recording apps work 
fine and I see that some people can make a screen recording where Voiceover can 
be heard although not very loud. I did include instructions on how to enable 
the microphone for screen recordings in my original message, you do it by 
flicking up or  down on Screen Recorder to "Open Controls" and double tap, then 
locate the Microphone toggle.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is what 
we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely 
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the 
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same 
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is 
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder 
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice 
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the 
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except 
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, 
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from 
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one 
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a 
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works 
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way 
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just  how you want it 
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's 
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up 
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.
Arlene and Wayne
www.alldigitalaudio.com

arlenes71...@earthlink.net
greenwoo...@cox.net


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM
Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover

Hello,

I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is 
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what 
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could 
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover 
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be 
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking 
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the 
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but 
nothing else.

I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could test 
this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people with an 
iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do  some testing that would be great. Please make 
sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre to Adjust 
controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before starting. Then try it 
with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external speaker or 
switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or wired 
external speaker.

Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. If your 
findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all or part 
of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can be really 
useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with unlabeled 
buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by Voiceover you can 
easily make a demo and send it to the developer to show them. OK, here now is 
my message:

Hello,

I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the Screen 
Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I think  it's a big 
feature omission which should be addressed especially since it used to be 
different. Here is the problem:

If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the microphone enabled 
Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is banished to the earpiece where 
it can be barely heard.
Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and perform 
gestures on the phone, but it also means that only 

RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Fazil M.]

What is the gesture to bring the phone in to screen recording mode?

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 6:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

 

Not Sieghard, but with Screen Recording you get a video of what is happening on 
the screen along with your narration.  Rather than double tapping on Screen 
Recording, touch it once to get it focused and flick down to open controls and 
double tap.

Then, the microphone button is one flick right I believe, which you want to 
turn on before going back to the start recording.

Also, you want your screen curtain off and brightness at a level a sighted 
person can see.

 

Voice Memos only records your voice, and probably VoiceOver, but that doesn’t 
help if you want someone to see what is happening on the screen.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

 

Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is what 
we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely 
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the 
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same 
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is 
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder 
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice 
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the 
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except 
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, 
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from 
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one 
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a 
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works 
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way 
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just  how you want it 
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's 
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up 
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.

Arlene and Wayne

www.alldigitalaudio.com 

 

 

arlenes71...@earthlink.net

greenwoo...@cox.net

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM

Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover

 

Hello,

 

I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is 
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what 
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could 
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover 
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be 
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking 
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the 
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but 
nothing else.

 

I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could test 
this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people with an 
iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do  some testing that would be great. Please make 
sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre to Adjust 
controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before starting. Then try it 
with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external speaker or 
switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or wired 
external speaker.

 

Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. If your 
findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all or part 
of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can be really 
useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with unlabeled 
buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by 

RE: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Davy,

But for me this is simply not true, I deleted several old conversations and 
flicking to Delete and double tapping worked reliably each time and did exactly 
what I wanted it to do and the conversations are gone.
I know at least one or two other people replied to your initial message and 
also confirmed it works for them as always.
Sorry, but you have previously given the alarm about some Facebook or messenger 
bug which it seemed you and your friends experienced and which others on the 
list couldn't reproduce and I won't report something as a bug which is not a 
bug for me. If you and your friends experience this then by all means, report 
it and see if Facebook's accessibility team can reproduce it, I can't.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi Sieghard

What I want to stress is that it is nolonger possible to delete the whole 
conversations of one contact at once, while the rotor function delete is 
pronounced correctly but can nolonger be executed. And for sure this was the 
case in formertimes.
Please would you all be so kind to report this bug to facebook?
Regards
Davy

From: Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi,
Funny you mention this  as just yesterday I was in this app and noted that it 
doesn’t read in coming messages automatically at least not by me.  The only way 
I could get alerted to new messages was to lock the phone but then the sighted 
person with whom I was speaking kept saying I was disappearing in terms of 
their view. I thought the app used to read in coming messages as they arrived 
but perhaps my memory is faulty on this one. Are there any work-arounds for 
this?
Robin


From: Davy Cuppens
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi folks

It is no longer possible to delete messages in messenger using the rotor tasks. 
However, you can click on delete message but nothing happens. If you hold and 
release after the 3 progress beeps you can access the menu for that person but 
there seems to be no option to delete the conversation.

For the users of itunes 12.6.3 it makes no sense to roll back to a previous 
version of the app because when reinstalling the app on your phone you are 
prompted to update the app otherwise it won’t work anymore.
Please report this bug to facebook accessibility.
Regards
Davy
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anouncinga deleted app

[anthony borg]

Hi folks 
Could you please explain to me how to set my iphone that after I delete an
app, it will anounce that the app is deleted? 
With thanks in advance 
Anthony 

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RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sieghard,

Try as I may, I cannot get VoiceOver to be heard during a screen recording 
either with or without Apple Ear Pods.  The best I could do is to hear just a 
whisper of VoiceOver during screen recording..  

I tried disabling the noise cancellation option, located in the accessibility 
area but it made no difference.  

I will file a bug report on this.

Mark 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 8:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover

Hello,

I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is 
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what 
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could 
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover 
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be 
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking 
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the 
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but 
nothing else.

I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could test 
this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people with an 
iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do  some testing that would be great. Please make 
sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre to Adjust 
controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before starting. Then try it 
with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external speaker or 
switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or wired 
external speaker.

Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. If your 
findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all or part 
of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can be really 
useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with unlabeled 
buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by Voiceover you can 
easily make a demo and send it to the developer to show them. OK, here now is 
my message:

Hello,

I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the Screen 
Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I think  it's a big 
feature omission which should be addressed especially since it used to be 
different. Here is the problem:

If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the microphone enabled 
Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is banished to the earpiece where 
it can be barely heard.
Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and perform 
gestures on the phone, but it also means that only what I say is recorded, 
whatever Voiceover speaks or does not speak is not captured on the screen 
recording video.

As I said, this used to be different. When screen recording was first 
introduced as a feature Voiceover continued to speak on the external speaker 
and what was spoken was captured on the video. This allowed a blind person to 
demonstrate accessibility issues in apps or iOS itself. If, for example, 
certain buttons were only spoken as "button" without a description as to their 
purpose I could have made a screen recording to demonstrate this and then sent 
the recording to the developer asking if the problem could be fixed in a future 
update.
In iOS 11 or at least the last time I used screen recording for this purpose 
which I am pretty sure was in iOS 11, I could still accomplish this by 
connecting to a Bluetooth speaker, the audio would remain on the Bluetooth 
speaker and would be captured on the video. Today I wanted to make a screen 
recording to show somebody how to do something in an app and while Voiceover 
continued to speak via the Bluetooth speaker, after I finished and played back 
the video I heard my own voice as I was explaining the gestures I performed, 
but there was no trace of Voiceover which really baffles me because all along 
Voiceover could be heard loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker.
How is it possible that my voice which is an external sound is recorded, but 
Voiceover coming from the Bluetooth speaker, also an external sound, was not 
picked up by the microphone?
I use an iPhone 6S Plus so after this didn't work with a Bluetooth speaker I 
used a wired speaker and plugged it into the 3.5mm audio jack of my iPhone. 
Once again Voiceover came from the speaker loud and clear. I started the screen 
recording and made sure that microphone was turned on. After I finished I 
played back the video only to find that again I could be heard clearly but 
Voiceover could not be heard at all.

I don't have access to other phones such as an iPhone 7, 8 or higher to see if 
screen 

Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

What I want to stress is that it is nolonger possible to delete the whole 
conversations of one contact at once, while the rotor function delete is 
pronounced correctly but can nolonger be executed. And for sure this was the 
case in formertimes.
Please would you all be so kind to report this bug to facebook?
Regards
Davy 

From: Robin Frost 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi,
Funny you mention this  as just yesterday I was in this app and noted that it 
doesn’t read in coming messages automatically at least not by me.  The only way 
I could get alerted to new messages was to lock the phone but then the sighted 
person with whom I was speaking kept saying I was disappearing in terms of 
their view. I thought the app used to read in coming messages as they arrived 
but perhaps my memory is faulty on this one. Are there any work-arounds for 
this?
Robin


From: Davy Cuppens 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

Hi folks 

It is no longer possible to delete messages in messenger using the rotor tasks. 
However, you can click on delete message but nothing happens. If you hold and 
release after the 3 progress beeps you can access the menu for that person but 
there seems to be no option to delete the conversation.

For the users of itunes 12.6.3 it makes no sense to roll back to a previous 
version of the app because when reinstalling the app on your phone you are 
prompted to update the app otherwise it won’t work anymore.
Please report this bug to facebook accessibility.
Regards
Davy 
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Re: Opening EPub Document?

[Devin Prater]

Voice Dream Reader works with Pub files too, and now Kindle has a “Send to 
Kindle” option that converts the Epub to Kindle format, if you like the Kindle 
way of reading better. 

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You can also use iBooks, which is free and built in.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:08 AM, Richard Turner > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> You could try Dolphin Easy Reader, which is free unless you want different 
>> voices.
>> Voice Dream Reader will also read ePub. In both cases though, they cannot be 
>> DRM files, which are files tied to a specific company like Nook, iBooks, etc.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
>> which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:09 AM, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, list.
>>> I have iPhone8 and 12.1 IOS.
>>> How can I open an EPub document, please?
>>> Thanks!
>>>  
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Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
When you see the emergency SOS flick left to go to the top of the screen. You 
should see slide to power off. For some reason power off and emergency SOS are 
on the same screen.

Greg Wocher


> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:52 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Maria, 
> When I press the volume up, and the power button, that is bringing up the 
> S.O.S emergency call.  The samething when I press the volume down and the 
> power button.   
> 
> Janet 
> Janet 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Reyes
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
> 
> Janet, What happens if you hold the power and one of the volume buttons for 
> 10 seconds? 
> 
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>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Harry, 
>> I should have the option if I want to reboot my phone or not regardless is 
>> to why I want to reboot, but I can't fine any way to do this.  
>> 
>> Janet. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Gordon
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>> 
>> So in your case since it's just a typical reboot, do as I suggested by 
>> just turning the phone off and back on. You don't need to force reboot 
>> for what you're wanting to do.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/4/2018 11:22 AM, janet gross wrote:
>>> Harry,
>>> I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:15 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>>> 
>>> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
>>> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap 
>>> and you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h 
>>> hard reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
>>> Harry
>>> 
 On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the 
 up volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, 
 and the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know 
 is happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the 
 phone does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, 
 but if it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but 
 I can't believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
 So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
 Thank you in advance.
 Janet
 
 
 
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Re: Air pods and multi point?

[Anthony Vece]

The phone connects to the AirPods with Bluetooth however; the watch connects to 
the AirPods with airplay. 
So what you need to do and you want to just listen to voice over from your 
iPhone through the AirPods is to go in to the control center of your Apple 
Watch and disconnect from the air pots hope this helps

Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Holly Anderson  wrote:
> 
> The problem that I have, and judging by this list I know I”m in the minority, 
> is that I really really do not want my watch to connect to my AirPods. Ever. 
> I don’t listen to music on it, and I never want to hear voiceover in my ears 
> from it. So the behavior as it stands now really works for me. But I can 
> understand why others would find it annoying.
> Holly
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you reported this to Apple, I'd be curious how they justify such poor 
>> performance of such an expensive headset which when it was first released 
>> they made out to be equivalent to the second coming.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Candy 
>> Lowe
>> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:01 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Air pods and multi point?
>>  
>> Chuck, I also have this problem.  I have no problem getting my airpods to 
>> connect to my phone, but, then, if I should to happen to touch my watch, the 
>> airpods go to the watch.  Then when I touch my phone again, my airpods are 
>> disconnected.  Very discouraging.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Chuck Dean  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> I have no success using my air pods with my iPhone 8 and my Apple Watch 
>> series 4.
>> Sometimes it works perfectly. I touch the watch and the air pods connect to 
>> the watch, or I touch the iPhone and it connects to the phone. This is about 
>> 10% of the time.
>> Most of the time they connect to the iPhone, ok, but   connection to the 
>> watch is hit or miss.
>>  
>> Is anyone having success with multi point between an iPhone and and Apple 
>> Watch,
>> If so, how do you do it?
>>  
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Chuck (mobile)
>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>> 
>> 
>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe
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Re: Air pods and multi point?

[Candy Lowe]

Halle, I would like nothing more than to have my AirPods disconnected from my 
watch. I did not pair them. It automatically paired when I set up the watch. 
How can I on pair the AirPods from the watch?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Holly Anderson  wrote:
> 
> The problem that I have, and judging by this list I know I”m in the minority, 
> is that I really really do not want my watch to connect to my AirPods. Ever. 
> I don’t listen to music on it, and I never want to hear voiceover in my ears 
> from it. So the behavior as it stands now really works for me. But I can 
> understand why others would find it annoying.
> Holly
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you reported this to Apple, I'd be curious how they justify such poor 
>> performance of such an expensive headset which when it was first released 
>> they made out to be equivalent to the second coming.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Candy 
>> Lowe
>> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:01 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Air pods and multi point?
>>  
>> Chuck, I also have this problem.  I have no problem getting my airpods to 
>> connect to my phone, but, then, if I should to happen to touch my watch, the 
>> airpods go to the watch.  Then when I touch my phone again, my airpods are 
>> disconnected.  Very discouraging.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Chuck Dean  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> I have no success using my air pods with my iPhone 8 and my Apple Watch 
>> series 4.
>> Sometimes it works perfectly. I touch the watch and the air pods connect to 
>> the watch, or I touch the iPhone and it connects to the phone. This is about 
>> 10% of the time.
>> Most of the time they connect to the iPhone, ok, but   connection to the 
>> watch is hit or miss.
>>  
>> Is anyone having success with multi point between an iPhone and and Apple 
>> Watch,
>> If so, how do you do it?
>>  
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Chuck (mobile)
>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>> 
>> 
>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe
>> 
>> 
>> Our 1961 Vespa 400
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Maria, 
When I press the volume up, and the power button, that is bringing up the S.O.S 
emergency call.  The samething when I press the volume down and the power 
button.   

Janet 
Janet 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Janet, What happens if you hold the power and one of the volume buttons for 10 
seconds? 

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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Harry, 
> I should have the option if I want to reboot my phone or not regardless is to 
> why I want to reboot, but I can't fine any way to do this.  
> 
> Janet. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gordon
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
> 
> So in your case since it's just a typical reboot, do as I suggested by 
> just turning the phone off and back on. You don't need to force reboot 
> for what you're wanting to do.
> 
> 
>> On 11/4/2018 11:22 AM, janet gross wrote:
>> Harry,
>> I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>> 
>> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
>> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap 
>> and you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h 
>> hard reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[Maria Reyes]

Janet, What happens if you hold the power and one of the volume buttons for 10 
seconds? 

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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Harry, 
> I should have the option if I want to reboot my phone or not regardless is to 
> why I want to reboot, but I can't fine any way to do this.  
> 
> Janet. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gordon
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
> 
> So in your case since it's just a typical reboot, do as I suggested by 
> just turning the phone off and back on. You don't need to force reboot 
> for what you're wanting to do.
> 
> 
>> On 11/4/2018 11:22 AM, janet gross wrote:
>> Harry,
>> I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>> 
>> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
>> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap 
>> and you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h 
>> hard reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Harry, 
I should have the option if I want to reboot my phone or not regardless is to 
why I want to reboot, but I can't fine any way to do this.  

Janet. 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

So in your case since it's just a typical reboot, do as I suggested by 
just turning the phone off and back on. You don't need to force reboot 
for what you're wanting to do.


On 11/4/2018 11:22 AM, janet gross wrote:
> Harry,
> I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.
> Janet
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>
> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and 
> you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard 
> reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
> Harry
>
>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Janet
>>
>>
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

HI, 
Yes, I agree with you this shouldn't cause VO to change, but it does.  
Janet 




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This shouldn't cause VO to change at all since you're turning the volume 
up one and back to where it was when you hit the volume down. So here's 
how to do it, press volume up and quickly release, then press volume 
down and quickly release. Then hold down the side button and count to 
12. This should give you your reboot.


On 11/4/2018 10:07 AM, janet gross wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
> Thank you in advance.
> Janet
>
>
>

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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Hi, 
Ok I once again tried to do a typical restart, by pressing the power button and 
wait for the option to shut down, but that only just brought up Siri, not a 
restart though.  
Any other suggestions? 
Janet 
Thank you.  



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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Yes, press volume up and release quickly. then press volume down and 
release quickly. Then press and hold power button and count to 12. Your 
phone will reboot and come up like you're wanting. This is something you 
would want to do if the phone is stuck or other things like that. If 
you're just wanting to do a typical restart, power down by holding power 
button until voice over says power down. Then choose the on screen 
button to shut it down. then just turn your phone back on.


On 11/4/2018 11:19 AM, janet gross wrote:
> HI Maria,
> Ok I just tried pressing the up volume button and the power button but not 
> for very long, and I got a message telling me I can take a screen shot.  So 
> this isn't working either.
> Any other suggestions?
> Thank you.
> Janet
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Reyes
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>
> You can also hold the power button with one of the volume buttons but don't 
> hold them in too long or you will call 911.
>
>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:15 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
>> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap 
>> and you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h 
>> hard reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
>> Harry
>>
>>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> Janet
>>>
>>>
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Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[Gordon]

So in your case since it's just a typical reboot, do as I suggested by 
just turning the phone off and back on. You don't need to force reboot 
for what you're wanting to do.



On 11/4/2018 11:22 AM, janet gross wrote:

Harry,
I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.
Janet




-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of screen 
to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and you get 
the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard reset, do the 
dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
Harry


On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Everyone,
I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and the 
phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is happening 
is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone does not come 
back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if it does, I can't 
hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't believe this is the 
way to reboot the phone.
So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
Thank you in advance.
Janet



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Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[Gordon]

Yes, press volume up and release quickly. then press volume down and 
release quickly. Then press and hold power button and count to 12. Your 
phone will reboot and come up like you're wanting. This is something you 
would want to do if the phone is stuck or other things like that. If 
you're just wanting to do a typical restart, power down by holding power 
button until voice over says power down. Then choose the on screen 
button to shut it down. then just turn your phone back on.



On 11/4/2018 11:19 AM, janet gross wrote:

HI Maria,
Ok I just tried pressing the up volume button and the power button but not for 
very long, and I got a message telling me I can take a screen shot.  So this 
isn't working either.
Any other suggestions?
Thank you.
Janet




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

You can also hold the power button with one of the volume buttons but don't 
hold them in too long or you will call 911.


On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:15 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of screen 
to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and you get 
the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard reset, do the 
dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
Harry


On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Everyone,
I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and the 
phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is happening 
is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone does not come 
back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if it does, I can't 
hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't believe this is the 
way to reboot the phone.
So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
Thank you in advance.
Janet



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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Harry, 
I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.  
Janet 




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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of screen 
to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and you get 
the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard reset, do the 
dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
Harry

> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
> Thank you in advance.
> Janet
> 
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

HI Maria, 
Ok I just tried pressing the up volume button and the power button but not for 
very long, and I got a message telling me I can take a screen shot.  So this 
isn't working either.  
Any other suggestions? 
Thank you.  
Janet 




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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:59 AM
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Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

You can also hold the power button with one of the volume buttons but don't 
hold them in too long or you will call 911. 

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:15 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and 
> you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard 
> reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
> Harry
> 
>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Hi, 
Ok, I just now pressed the power button and the down volume button, and I got a 
message S.O.S  emergency, wow, I swiped until I heard cancel.  So this way 
doesn't work either.  Any other suggestions? 

Thank you.   
Janet 

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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:00 AM
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Hi Janet,
It is my understanding Power button on right of XR and only one of volume 
buttons. Down
arrow I believe

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Subject: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Hi Everyone,
I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
volume and
then press the down volume and then press the power button, and the phone will 
reboot.
Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is happening is lowering the vo 
voice so
I can't hear anything, and the phone does not come back on automatically either 
like I
was told it would, but if it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo 
back
on, but I can't believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
Thank you in advance.
Janet



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Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[Gordon]

Holding volume and power at the same time together will always call 911. 
I did this when I got my 8 and was putting the case on. So I always turn 
my phone off before trying to put in into or take it out of a case.



On 11/4/2018 10:59 AM, Maria Reyes wrote:

You can also hold the power button with one of the volume buttons but don't 
hold them in too long or you will call 911.


On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:15 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of screen 
to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and you get 
the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard reset, do the 
dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
Harry


On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Everyone,
I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and the 
phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is happening 
is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone does not come 
back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if it does, I can't 
hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't believe this is the 
way to reboot the phone.
So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
Thank you in advance.
Janet



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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[Andrew]

Hi Janet,
It is my understanding Power button on right of XR and only one of volume 
buttons. Down
arrow I believe

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gross
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Subject: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Hi Everyone,
I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
volume and
then press the down volume and then press the power button, and the phone will 
reboot.
Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is happening is lowering the vo 
voice so
I can't hear anything, and the phone does not come back on automatically either 
like I
was told it would, but if it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo 
back
on, but I can't believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
Thank you in advance.
Janet



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Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

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You can also hold the power button with one of the volume buttons but don't 
hold them in too long or you will call 911. 

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:15 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and 
> you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard 
> reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
> Harry
> 
>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
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Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of screen 
to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and you get 
the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard reset, do the 
dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
Harry

> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
> Thank you in advance.
> Janet
> 
> 
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Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[Gordon]

This shouldn't cause VO to change at all since you're turning the volume 
up one and back to where it was when you hit the volume down. So here's 
how to do it, press volume up and quickly release, then press volume 
down and quickly release. Then hold down the side button and count to 
12. This should give you your reboot.



On 11/4/2018 10:07 AM, janet gross wrote:

Hi Everyone,
I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and the 
phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is happening 
is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone does not come 
back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if it does, I can't 
hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't believe this is the 
way to reboot the phone.
So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
Thank you in advance.
Janet





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Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone,
I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and the 
phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is happening 
is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone does not come 
back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if it does, I can't 
hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't believe this is the 
way to reboot the phone.
So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
Thank you in advance.
Janet



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Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Paul Mcgann]

just reminding you. a thought that sometimes devleopers and technicians 
do put complications on siri and voiceover as they don't realize what 
they are doing. we have to let apple know of the mix--up of siri and 
voiceover as sometimes developers set up wrong way.



okay, just trying to be helpful. if you say i am wrong, that is fine.the 
quote is you can see me but i can't see you...i can see you but you 
can't see me.



no matter if you know something and i know something and we are 
different.. i am not here to argue, but to try to be helpful. hope this 
helps.




On 11/3/2018 11:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hello,

I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 
there is no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which 
includes what Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 
11, either, but it could be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired 
external speaker. Now Voiceover is switched to the Earpiece of the 
phone where even at full volume it can be barely heard and even though 
with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking loud and clear via the 
Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the microphone. My own 
voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but nothing else.


I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me 
could test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus 
so if people with an iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do  some testing that 
would be great. Please make sure you flick down on the Screen 
Recording icon in Control Centre to Adjust controls and make sure the 
microphone is turned on before starting. Then try it with just the 
phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external speaker or switches 
to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or wired 
external speaker.


Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. 
If your findings match mine please also send a message and feel free 
to use all or part of my message. Screen recordings which include 
Voiceover speech can be really useful and they used to work. This way 
if you encounter an app with unlabeled buttons or other elements which 
are not spoken correctly by Voiceover you can easily make a demo and 
send it to the developer to show them. OK, here now is my message:


Hello,

I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the 
Screen Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I 
think  it's a big feature omission which should be addressed 
especially since it used to be different. Here is the problem:


If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the 
microphone enabled Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is 
banished to the earpiece where it can be barely heard.


Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and 
perform gestures on the phone, but it also means that only what I say 
is recorded, whatever Voiceover speaks or does not speak is not 
captured on the screen recording video.


As I said, this used to be different. When screen recording was first 
introduced as a feature Voiceover continued to speak on the external 
speaker and what was spoken was captured on the video. This allowed a 
blind person to demonstrate accessibility issues in apps or iOS 
itself. If, for example, certain buttons were only spoken as "button" 
without a description as to their purpose I could have made a screen 
recording to demonstrate this and then sent the recording to the 
developer asking if the problem could be fixed in a future update.


In iOS 11 or at least the last time I used screen recording for this 
purpose which I am pretty sure was in iOS 11, I could still accomplish 
this by connecting to a Bluetooth speaker, the audio would remain on 
the Bluetooth speaker and would be captured on the video. Today I 
wanted to make a screen recording to show somebody how to do something 
in an app and while Voiceover continued to speak via the Bluetooth 
speaker, after I finished and played back the video I heard my own 
voice as I was explaining the gestures I performed, but there was no 
trace of Voiceover which really baffles me because all along Voiceover 
could be heard loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker.


How is it possible that my voice which is an external sound is 
recorded, but Voiceover coming from the Bluetooth speaker, also an 
external sound, was not picked up by the microphone?


I use an iPhone 6S Plus so after this didn't work with a Bluetooth 
speaker I used a wired speaker and plugged it into the 3.5mm audio 
jack of my iPhone. Once again Voiceover came from the speaker loud and 
clear. I started the screen recording and made sure that microphone 
was turned on. After I finished I played back the video only to find 
that again I could be heard clearly but Voiceover could not be heard 
at all.


I don't have access to other 

Re: Opening EPub Document?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

You can also use iBooks, which is free and built in.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:08 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> You could try Dolphin Easy Reader, which is free unless you want different 
> voices.
> Voice Dream Reader will also read ePub. In both cases though, they cannot be 
> DRM files, which are files tied to a specific company like Nook, iBooks, etc.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
> which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 
> 
> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:09 AM, Fazil M.  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi, list.
>> I have iPhone8 and 12.1 IOS.
>> How can I open an EPub document, please?
>> Thanks!
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RE: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Richard Turner]

Not Sieghard, but with Screen Recording you get a video of what is happening on 
the screen along with your narration.  Rather than double tapping on Screen 
Recording, touch it once to get it focused and flick down to open controls and 
double tap.
Then, the microphone button is one flick right I believe, which you want to 
turn on before going back to the start recording.
Also, you want your screen curtain off and brightness at a level a sighted 
person can see.

Voice Memos only records your voice, and probably VoiceOver, but that doesn’t 
help if you want someone to see what is happening on the screen.

HTH,
Richard

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is what 
we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely 
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the 
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same 
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is 
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder 
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice 
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the 
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except 
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, 
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from 
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one 
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a 
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works 
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way 
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just  how you want it 
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's 
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up 
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.
Arlene and Wayne
www.alldigitalaudio.com

arlenes71...@earthlink.net
greenwoo...@cox.net


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM
Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover

Hello,

I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is 
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what 
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could 
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover 
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be 
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking 
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the 
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but 
nothing else.

I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could test 
this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people with an 
iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do  some testing that would be great. Please make 
sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre to Adjust 
controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before starting. Then try it 
with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external speaker or 
switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or wired 
external speaker.

Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. If your 
findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all or part 
of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can be really 
useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with unlabeled 
buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by Voiceover you can 
easily make a demo and send it to the developer to show them. OK, here now is 
my message:

Hello,

I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the Screen 
Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I think 

Re: Screen recording with Voiceover

[Arlene]

Sieghard, we thought we would try testing  with the se phones, and this is what 
we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and  
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely 
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the 
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same 
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is 
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder 
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice 
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the 
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except 
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, 
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from 
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one 
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a 
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works 
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way 
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just  how you want it 
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's 
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up 
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.
Arlene and Wayne
www.alldigitalaudio.com

arlenes71...@earthlink.net
greenwoo...@cox.net


  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM
  Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover


  Hello,

   

  I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do 
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is 
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what 
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could 
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover 
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be 
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking 
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the 
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but 
nothing else.

   

  I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could 
test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people 
with an iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do  some testing that would be great. 
Please make sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre 
to Adjust controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before starting. 
Then try it with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external 
speaker or switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or 
wired external speaker.

   

  Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. If 
your findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all or 
part of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can be 
really useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with 
unlabeled buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by Voiceover 
you can easily make a demo and send it to the developer to show them. OK, here 
now is my message:

   

  Hello,

   

  I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the Screen 
Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I think  it's a big 
feature omission which should be addressed especially since it used to be 
different. Here is the problem:

   

  If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the microphone 
enabled Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is banished to the 
earpiece where it can be barely heard.

  Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and perform 
gestures on the phone, but it also means that only what I say is recorded, 
whatever Voiceover speaks or does not speak is not captured on the screen 
recording video.

   

  As I said, this used to be different. When screen recording was first 
introduced as a feature Voiceover continued to speak on the external speaker 
and what was spoken was captured on the video. This allowed a blind person to 
demonstrate accessibility issues in apps or iOS itself. If, for example, 
certain buttons were only spoken as "button" without a description as to their 
purpose I could have made a screen recording to demonstrate this and then sent 
the recording to the developer asking if the problem could be fixed in a future 
update.

  In iOS 11 or at least the last time I used screen recording for this purpose 
which I am pretty sure 

Re: Air pods and multi point?

[Holly Anderson]

The problem that I have, and judging by this list I know I”m in the minority, 
is that I really really do not want my watch to connect to my AirPods. Ever. I 
don’t listen to music on it, and I never want to hear voiceover in my ears from 
it. So the behavior as it stands now really works for me. But I can understand 
why others would find it annoying.
Holly

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Have you reported this to Apple, I'd be curious how they justify such poor 
> performance of such an expensive headset which when it was first released 
> they made out to be equivalent to the second coming.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Candy 
> Lowe
> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Air pods and multi point?
>  
> Chuck, I also have this problem.  I have no problem getting my airpods to 
> connect to my phone, but, then, if I should to happen to touch my watch, the 
> airpods go to the watch.  Then when I touch my phone again, my airpods are 
> disconnected.  Very discouraging.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Chuck Dean  > wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I have no success using my air pods with my iPhone 8 and my Apple Watch 
> series 4.
> Sometimes it works perfectly. I touch the watch and the air pods connect to 
> the watch, or I touch the iPhone and it connects to the phone. This is about 
> 10% of the time.
> Most of the time they connect to the iPhone, ok, but   connection to the 
> watch is hit or miss.
>  
> Is anyone having success with multi point between an iPhone and and Apple 
> Watch,
> If so, how do you do it?
>  
> Thanks, 
> 
> Chuck (mobile)
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Screen recording with Voiceover

[Apple Gourmet-]

 Hi! I just sent you an email with the screen recording showing voiceover. You 
can hear voice over but it’s not very loud.   Please let me know if you got it.
Best wishes and many blessings!  

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 Please check if you had noise cancellation enabled!  Try turning it off and 
then record.   

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Re: Opening EPub Document?

[Richard Turner]

You could try Dolphin Easy Reader, which is free unless you want different 
voices.
Voice Dream Reader will also read ePub. In both cases though, they cannot be 
DRM files, which are files tied to a specific company like Nook, iBooks, etc.
Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:09 AM, Fazil M. 
mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, list.
I have iPhone8 and 12.1 IOS.
How can I open an EPub document, please?
Thanks!


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RE: Different VoiceOver Voices for Apple Watch 3?

['Martin Maidment' via VIPhone]

Nice.  But will that mess up my time zone I the U.K.?



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: 03 November 2018 21:15
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Different VoiceOver Voices for Apple Watch 3?

Hi Martin,

You would have to change your region to Australia. This is done in the watch 
app on your phone, in General/Language & Region.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:10 AM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've got the series 4 watch and can't find a way to change the voice to Karen.
> 
> How is this possible.?
> 
> Martin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Wayne Merritt
> Sent: 02 November 2018 19:44
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Different VoiceOver Voices for Apple Watch 3?
> 
> Though there is no other English US voice, you can change the language and 
> get different voices, such as Karen for the English Australian voice, or 
> Daniel for the UK English voice, etc.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 11/2/18, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> Unfortunately, there is no way to change the VO voice. Samantha is 
>> what we get. Siri can change with your phone if you change from 
>> female to male or whatever. Have a great day!
>> 
>> Jenn
>> 
>> Jenn and Kumi
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jim Portillo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Howdy!
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if the VO voice can be changed on the Apple Watch 
>>> series 3?  I've been going through the settings area on both the 
>>> watch and phone and can't seem to find a way.  If there's only that 
>>> default voice, then so be it.  I just wanted to see if this was doable.
>>> Your wealth of knowledge is fantastic!
>>> Jim Portillo
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Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger

[SoonerAnnie]

Robin, I know what you are saying. If the phone is locked, you get a 
notification that a message has come in, and it is even read by VoiceOver; 
however, if you are in a chat...sending messages back and forth...there is no 
indication that the other person has sent a message unless you swipe and see if 
you can locate one. Kind of a pain, but doable. Perhaps in the near future they 
can get VoiceOver to read as it does in Messages. 

Regards, 

Ann 

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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:26 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yes that’s true but if you lock the phone the sighted people with whom you 
> might happen to be chatting think you’ve disappeared or are no longer 
> available to chat. That’s what they kept saying to me yesterday.
> Thanks for the correction perhaps I was mistaken that this app ever voiced in 
> coming messages. Still seems strange that it wasn’t or couldn’t be designed 
> to do so.  I hadn’t any vibrations on my device. Doe this occur if you 
> haven’t vibrations turned on in settings and sounds?
> Robin
>  
>  
> From: Donna
> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>  
> The Facebook Messenger app can be set to read messages by voiceover when you 
> receive a message on the lock screen of your device. Just go to Settings, 
> Notifications & swipe down to Messenger.
>  
> Donna
>  
>> You may be thinking of the Messages app, which does read incoming messages. 
>> Facebook never has done this, unfortunately. The only way to know if a new 
>> message has come in is to try to feel the phone vibration which happens when 
>> a new message comes in, and hope it’s from the chat you’re in at the time.
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>> Funny you mention this  as just yesterday I was in this app and noted that 
>>> it doesn’t read in coming messages automatically at least not by me.  The 
>>> only way I could get alerted to new messages was to lock the phone but then 
>>> the sighted person with whom I was speaking kept saying I was disappearing 
>>> in terms of their view. I thought the app used to read in coming messages 
>>> as they arrived but perhaps my memory is faulty on this one. Are there any 
>>> work-arounds for this?
>>> Robin
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Davy Cuppens
>>> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:20 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: big regressions in accessibility facebook messenger
>>>  
>>> Hi folks
>>>  
>>> It is no longer possible to delete messages in messenger using the rotor 
>>> tasks. However, you can click on delete message but nothing happens. If you 
>>> hold and release after the 3 progress beeps you can access the menu for 
>>> that person but there seems to be no option to delete the conversation.
>>>  
>>> For the users of itunes 12.6.3 it makes no sense to roll back to a previous 
>>> version of the app because when reinstalling the app on your phone you are 
>>> prompted to update the app otherwise it won’t work anymore.
>>> Please report this bug to facebook accessibility.
>>> Regards
>>> Davy
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Opening EPub Document?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, list.

I have iPhone8 and 12.1 IOS.

How can I open an EPub document, please?

Thanks!

 

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