Re: Off-Topic: Article: A cure for blindness

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  
To:  viphone@googlegroups.com
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Date: Monday, 15 July 2019 1.21 am
Subject: Off-Topic:  Article:  A cure for blindness

>
>
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A list member sent the following article to me requesting that it be posted
> to the group despite the fact that it is not related to any Apple products.
> 
> Now while I am definitely not going to make a habit of posting such
> off-topic material to the list, in this instance, because the prospects of
> the technology are so far reaching, and because our group, in addition to
> being an Apple technology resource, also serves as a kind of community, I
> have decided to post it to the group.
> 
> Now I know that some of you may take exception to my decision to post this
> article and if so, please contact me, off-list.  
> 
> Also, I request that there be no on-list replies to this thread.  It is
> informational, only.  It is not intended to be a conversation starter.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Mark
> 
> A cure for blindness 
> By Ben Spencer 
> Daily Mail, Jul 12, 2019
>  
> A cure for blindness: Father, 35, who suddenly lost his sight aged nine is
> among six patients to have their vision restored by pioneering treatment
> that beams images directly into the brain 
> Doctors have restored sight to the blind by sending video images directly to
> the brain. 
> In a world-first that offers hope to millions of patients, five men and one
> woman have regained vision after years of 'living in the dark'. 
> They had electrode chips planted in the visual cortex at the back of their
> skulls that picked up images from a tiny video camera mounted in a pair of
> glasses. Their eyes were bypassed completely. 
> One of the participants, Benjamin James Spencer, who went blind aged nine,
> described his joy at seeing his wife and three daughters for the first time.
> 'It is awe inspiring to see so much beauty1' the 35-year-old told the Daily
> Mail last night. 'I could see the roundness of my wife's face, the shape of
> her body. 
> 'I could see my kids running up to give me a hug. It is not perfect vision -
> it is like grainy 1980s surveillance video footage. It may not be full
> vision yet, but it's something.' 
> Mr Spencer described how, when he was nine years old, his world went black. 
> 'It was September 18, 1992, a week after my birthday1' he said. 'I was at
> school leaving a class and in the time it took me to walk 50ft everything
> disappeared. 
> 'At first it started to go foggy and then a few paces later it was just
> dark. 
> 'I panicked and started screaming and kind of went into shock. Everything
> after that is pretty vague.' 
> In the coming days specialists at a hospital near his home in Texas broke
> the news that he would never see again. 
> 'I was told this was going to be my future. I was classed as lacking 100 per
> cent light perception. I was bl1' he said. 
> Mr Spencer had paediatric glaucoma, a rare condition caused by a defect in
> the eye's drainage system. 
> It had been incurable but scientists have now managed to bypass the broken
> link by sending images directly to the visual cortex, the part of the brain
> responsible for sight. 
> Mr Spencer lives in the city of Pearland, near Houston, with his wife
> Jeanette, 42, and daughters Abigail, 15, Melissa, 13, and Jane, ten. In
> April 2018, he became one of just six people to have a 60-electrode panel
> implanted in the back of his brain. 
> Surgeons at Baylor Medical College in Houston spent two hours cutting a
> window in his skull, placing the electrode array on the surface of the
> brain, and stitching it up again. They then spent six months 'mapping' his
> visual field. 
> This involved sending computer signals to the stimulation panel in his head
> to synchronise his brain to the real world--in effect teaching his visual
> cortex to process images again. 
> Eventually, in October, the device was wirelessly connected to a tiny video
> camera, mounted in a pair of glasses, and switched on. He saw his wife and
> three children for the very first time. 
> 'It was an incredible moment1' he told the Daily Mail. 'It was very
> humbling.' 
> Describing catching a glimpse of the sun through the window, he said: 'Such
> a tiny thing is normal for people who have vision. But I had not seen the
> sun since I was nine years old. I had felt its heat, but actually seeing it
> was incredible. After 25 and a half years of living in the dark, it is awe
> inspiring to see so much beauty.' 
> In January, after months of hospital testing, he was allowed to take the
> device home. The terms of the clinical trial means he can only switch it on
> for three hours a day, but he makes the most of it. 'I usually use it for 45
> minutes at a time and space it ou1' he said. 'If I want to go to the store
> or if one of my kids has a performance. 
> 'It is not perfect vision--it is like grainy 1980s surveillance video
> footage1' he said. 
> 'I can see silhouettes, I can 

Re: ONE PASSWORD

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

I'm still setting up mine but friends use it all the time so I'd have thought 
it will work - but I don't know for definite.






Carol P
 

- Original Message -
From:  englishride...@gmail.com
To:  viphone@googlegroups.com
CC: 
Date: 21/05/2018 7.17 am
Subject: Re: ONE PASSWORD

>
>
> The best answer I can give you is that it depends. The developer needs to 
> build in support for 1Password as an option on the login screen.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On May 20, 2018, at 8.50 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
> 
> I've finally downloaded One Password to get started with it.  I just want to 
> clarify before I go too far down the time investment, will One Password help 
> me log into apps on my phone or just websites?  Most of my apps keep me 
> logged into whatever service, but I have a couple apps that won't retain my 
> password and I am getting really annoyed when I have to go look up the 
> password at home when I really need the app on the go. It's rather ironic, 
> because these apps that won't keep me logged in are really innocuous services 
> for things like restaurant coupons.  
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> englishride...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5.56 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ONE PASSWORD
> 
> I'm not sure how you got 1Password working like this, but it doesn't work 
> like that for me.
> 
> Anyhow, are you trying to now add accounts to 1Password now that you've 
> created your master password? When you unlock the app with your master 
> password, you'll see an Add New Item button in the top right-hand corner. You 
> can either press that, then select the category you want to add an item to, 
> or select a category from the main screen first, then press the Add button 
> once in that category. Either way, you'll end up in the same area. Decide on 
> an account you want to add, like Amazon, and fill out the necessary 
> information. The URL item is really nifty. If you fill that with the URL from 
> the login page that asks for your username and password, you can then use the 
> Safari extension to fill out your username and password when visiting a 
> website. You have to enable the extension (you do that in the share menu of 
> Safari, I think) and once you do, all you have to do when you're at a login 
> page that you've added an entry to in 1Password, just press share, then 
> choose 1Password, and log into the app either by using your master password 
> or by pressing the button labeled Touch ID/Face ID (if you've enabled 
> unlocking via either of those methods--I have, and I absolutely love it) and 
> then choose your account. If it's not popping up, your login URL is wrong. 
> You can't choose from all your accounts--just the one popped up by 
> 1Password--which is why you need to have the login URL correct before you can 
> do this.
> 
> Anyhow, I hope this answers some of your questions. :were 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
0was On May 1, 2018, at 4.26 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
0was 
0was I'm not sure what you mean by saying you created folders, but how 1P is 
used is really very simple. Every time you visit a Website that requires a 
password, you enter it as you normally would, and, provided you have the 
1Password add-on installed, 1Password will open, prompt you for the master 
unlock password, and offer a dialog to save the password for the Website just 
mentioned. The next time you visit that site, you press Control plus backslash, 
1P opens, prompts you for the master unlock password, then posts the HTML form 
with the login data filled out.
0was 
0was 
0was 1Password remembers more than just passwords. There's a Wallet section 
where you can store credit cards, a secure notes section, an accounts section, 
and at least one other which I cannot remember at this moment. The problem 
iseagetting to those other options in the main window. Neither JAWS nor NVDA 
can find, no less change, the category list without use of the screenreader's 
review cursor. This may only be a problem in 1Password 4. Version 6 may have 
fixed this, but I didn't upgrade to version 6 because I don't want my passwords 
store online, or "in the cloud," as they say. I'll make the responsibility of 
backing up my password vault my own.
0was 
0was 
0was Hope this helps.
0was 
0was 
>>> On 5/1/2018 6.08 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I really could do with some help with One Password as I'm tired of losing 
>>> or forgetting passwordss. . . $.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have created my master password, made an exctra folder for use and looked 
>>> at the various sections; but now I can't quite understand where I type in 
>>> the other passwords I have.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I really do need to get this done and would appreciate any help to make 
>>> sure I get it up and running soon.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for 

Re: OT a question about tivo

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Hi.
As a matter of interest, in case I decide to stay with Virgin, which Tivo box 
are you actually using and is this the latest one?
Is there anything that doesn't work well or that someone would want to know 
before making a decision to go that route?

Thanks for any answers on this! I'm keeping my options open and looking keenly 
for new ways of getting Freeview easily, so all these things are of interest to 
me.

Thanks for any more you can give.

Carol P





Carol P
 

- Original Message -
From: Patti Johnson  
To:  viphone@googlegroups.com
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Date: Monday, 2 October 2017 11.23 am
Subject: Re: OT a question about tivo

>
>
> You need sighted help to set the TiVo up.  Once you get it to work
> though, it is fantastic.
> Best investment I've made in a while, as far as I am concerned.
> Patti
> 
> On 10/1/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
> I could not get mine to work at all, but I haven't followed up with TiVo
> support yet (no time).
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dana
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 5.22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: OT a question about tivo
>
>
>
> I hope this is ok to post. I have a question about tivo if anyone has used
> it with the talking remote.
>
> Our cable provider came out today as they don't have talking cable boxes,
> but he told me they could put our cable card in to a tivo box and we found
> out tivo has screen reading capability so wondered if anyone has used it and
> if it works well?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dana
>
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Re: RENAMING PICTURES

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Richard,

That's OK with me, but I do notice that sometimes the description doesn't 
appear until you open up the photo, which (if you're just looking for one) is a 
bit inconvenient. What do you think?

Carol P, sent from Braille Sense


- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  
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CC: 
Date: Wednesday, 8 June 2016 1.31 pm
Subject: Re: RENAMING PICTURES

>
>
> One more observation. As far as I know, Apple does not allow anyone to change 
> the actual filename on their device, only the description via the 
> two-finger-double-tap-and-hold.
> I could have said that in my first message, but I've known that so long that 
> I didn't think to mention it.
> If folks want to be able to change the filenames to something meaningful, 
> they need to write Apple feedback since that isn't a VoiceOver issue, it is 
> an iOS issue.
> Richard
> 
> 
> ";The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  
> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."--Elizabeth Taylor
> 
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
> On Jun 8, 2016, at 5.14 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Grant. Richards two fingered double tap and hold is working okay for 
> me at the moment anyway but I appreciate your response!
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 8 Jun 2016, at 03.11, Grant  wrote:
> 
> If you use a Mac and you've enabled iCloud Photo Library, you can assign 
> descriptions to photos in the Photos App on your Mac. These will be reflected 
> when browsing pictures on your iPhone. I'm not aware of any other way to do 
> this using the native photos library.
> 
> Grant
> 
0was On Monday May 30, 2016, at 5.15.16 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
 wrote:
0was 
0wasI'm wondering if anyone has tried any of the apps that allow you to 
rename photographs immediately you've taken them and which ones you've found 
have worked well and which are not worth the money?
0was 
0was 
0was I notice there are a few free ones but some seem not to have been updated 
for at least three years, which is probably quite a time in the Apple world and 
I'd like to find something, not overly complicated that has features I ccan use 
and does the job well.
0was 
0was 
0was I'm just beginning to get into photoes and am really finding it a little 
daunting, mainly because I seem to be getting so many pictures that are 
currently not identified and I want to get them sorted and let them stay that 
way.
0was 
0was 
0was Thanks for any help in this respect.
0was 
0was 
0was Carol P
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Re: The final chapter, was: The story continues... Long lost iPhone 6S has finally resurfaced after snow melt

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

I'm delighted at this news and do wonder what Apple will say to this adventure! 
Yes, be sure you let them know!:)

I hope that either the screen just starts working again or that you're able to 
replace it very soon.

Meantime, we're so pleased to hear the news!:)

Carol P


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To:  viphone@googlegroups.com
CC: 
Date: Saturday, 23 April 2016 6.43 pm
Subject: The final chapter, was: The story continues... Long lost iPhone 6S has 
finally resurfaced after snow melt

>
>
> Hi everybody,
>  
> Finally, here is the long awaited last chatper of my lost iPhone story.
>  
> yesterday the package with my iPhone 6S packed in rice arrived. Externally it 
> looks brand new with not a scratch on it. When I took out the SIM tray it 
> seemed like there was maybe a bit of moisture there so I left out the SIM 
> tray and stuck the iPhone in my toaster oven on a really low temperature for 
> a couple of hours just to maybe expel a bit more moisture from inside.
>  
> After that the moment came and I plugged it in. My wife was there and we 
> quietly watched, but the screen remained black. After about 2 minutes there 
> was no change and I thought that answered the question as to whether the 
> iPhone was still working after having been lying on the ground outside for 
> 115 days, first in snow and temperatures of up to com40 Celsius/Fahrenheit 
> and as warm as 620 Celsius (68 Fahrenheit) and of course having gone through 
> the process when the snow and ice around it melted and so on. It was also 
> exposed to the sun, back in March there was another 10 inches of new snow 
> over the course of a week and in the week or two before my brother found it 
> on April 15 it had rained lightly a few times.
>  
> Anyhow, I left it plugged in and when I came back to my office 2 hours later 
> I thought I check it out. I pressed the home button and bingo, Voiceover was 
> there and asked me to enter my passcode. I did so and the phone unlocked. 
> There was of course no service since I got a new SIM back in December when I 
> lost it and I had also just installed a new router at my store so I had to 
> reconnect to WiFi. As soon as I did so the phone started dinging and binging 
> away as emails came in, push notification alerts sounded and on top of all 
> that it started playing the lost sound since back on December 22 we logged in 
> to my iCloud account and triggered the Find my iPhone sound in case I had 
> just dropped it somewhere in the house.
>  
> At that point it had charged up to 82 % and everything seemed totally normal. 
> I went to Settings > General > Software Update and since I registered this 
> phone on the public beta program, I was told iOS 9.3.2 public beta 2 was 
> available for download. I started the download and it downloaded the 1.2 Gb 
> file in about 14 minutes, after that the upgrade proceeded normally and the 
> phone was up and running again in about 12 minutes.
>  
> So, happy ending, right? Well, almost. Shortly after I finished the update 
> one of my employees walked in to ask me something. I happily told her "Look, 
> the iPhone that was lying in the snow for 4 months is working". I held it up 
> and swiped around and Voiceover was chattering. Then she said "OK, but what 
> about the screen". I asked ";Why, what about the screen" and she said that it 
> was totally and utterly black. At first I thought that was no problem, maybe 
> the screen curtain was on. I did a 3-finger triple tap, but to my dismay 
> Voiceover said "Screen curtain on" and not "off". I did it again and 
> Voiceover confirmed the screen curtain was now off. I checked the brightness 
> and even increased it to 100 %, but she said it just was showing a completely 
> black screen.
>  
> So, I guess for the time it's now truly an iPhone for the blind, it works 
> perfectly, I made a Skype call on it to my Mom and both speaker and 
> microphones seem to work just fine, but the screen seems to be not working. 
> It will be interesting to see if in the next few days it comes back. Anyhow, 
> it so happens that my wife and I have to go to Vancouver next week so I'll 
> take it an Apple Store and get it replaced since I have Apple Care Plus and 
> it's of course totally worth it to pay the $130 Canadian which is what an 
> accidental damage replacement costs. Let's hope the screen doesn't start 
> working by then ininsmile*
>  
> The end.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader 4.0, an early overview

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Hi Richard,

I'm very keen to hear your podcast but the URL written is strange and ends with 
HTML. Could you kindly send it again as I don't now have your original message 
on this subject?

THANKS and I look forward so much to hearing it!

I dabble a bit with the Reader and know it has a lot going for it but haven't 
found it to be my favourite or the one I use a lot, so I'd like to get to grips 
with it some more and, hopefully, use more of its features competently.






Carol P 

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  
To:  viphone@googlegroups.com
CC: 
Date: Sunday, 13 March 2016 12.06 am
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader 4.0, an early overview

>
>
> I didn't test and he didn't mention any yet.
> 
> I left my display at work, but I'll try to test this week.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 4.01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader 4.0, an early overview
> 
> Do we know if there are any Braille display improvements?
> Aleeha 
> On Mar 12, 2016, at 6.07 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> Thanks for that nice overview. I am definitely looking forward to iCloud 
> sink. Does it also back up the voices? I kind of doubt it, since you didn't 
> mention it. But I'm just curious, given all the trouble I had when I upgraded 
> my iPhone and permanently lost access to ivona. I don't want that to happen 
> again the next time I have to get a new I device, such as replacing my iPad 
> mini someday.
> Mary
> PS great music.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
0" On Mar 12, 2016, at 1.48 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:
0" 
0" Greetings,
0" 
0" 
0" 
0" I have Winston Chen's permission to talk about the features in Voice Dream
0" Reader 4.0 so I decided to try my hand at doing a little MP3 recording.
0" 
0" If all went well, he submitted the app to Apple yesterday.
0" 
0" 
0" 
0" www.turner42.com/,vdr4.;html  
0" 
0" 
0" 
0" I hope it is useful.
0" 
0" Richard
0" 
0" 
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Re: WORKFLOW

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Alan.

Will get it tomorrow!:)



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From: Alan Lemly  
To:  viphone@googlegroups.com
CC: 
Date: Sunday, 10 January 2016 9.18 pm
Subject: RE: WORKFLOW

>
>
> The Workflow app which won the AppleVis Golden Apple award for best iOS app
> of 2015 can be found in the iTunes Store here:
> 
> https://itunes.apple.com/app/workflow-powerful-automation/id915249334?ign-mp
> t=uoccp3D8
> 
> The developer of this app is DeskConnect, Inc. so you might try typing
> Workflow and DeskConnect in the Apps Store search box on your device and I
> bet you'll get it.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11.48 AM
> To: VI Phone Users
> Subject: WORKFLOW
> 
> I have decided to try out WorkFlow  but, on looking, I discovered there were
> quite a number of different apps with that name. Could anyone, please,
> confirm which one you are using and why? Thanks!
> 
> 
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> Carol P
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Re: UK CUSTOMERS AND NEW APPLE TV

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Yes, I hate being without the audio description these days!:)

It's not just a case of having got used to it but everything moves so much 
faster these days so that, without it, you lose much more than you used to.

Carol P


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CC: 
Date: Friday, 30 October 2015 2.47 pm
Subject: Re: UK CUSTOMERS And NEW APPLE TV

>
>
> Carol,
> 
> Now TV is already on it straight away, but, dispite it being Sky owned, 
> there's still no AD on it even though AD is on all of the same Sky programing 
> through their set top boxes.
> Neil Barnfather MBE
> www.neilbarnfather.com
> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate
> 
> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a 
> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of 
> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK's most 
> successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled 
> spokesperson.
> 
> On 29 Oct 2015, at 22.07, chris  wrote:
> 
> I hope Now TV comes to the new Apple TV but am confident it will since it's 
> available on the third gen and perhaps second gen too. I read today BBC 
> iPlayer will be coming to the new Apple TV but no word if it's coming to the 
> third gen.
> 
> On 29/10/2015 21.42, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone wrote:
0was Hi all,
0was 
0was Just thought I'd ask UK customers who have purchased the new Apple TV
0was just which channels are available to us, please?
0was 
0was I'm not sure that I want one--yet--but could be persuaded ...
0was 
0was Carol P
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Re: Downloading From Youtube, Preferably In mp3?

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Hi Candy,

I remember meeting you ...  

OK, I fancy trying this converter app, but where does it store the music?

Carol P

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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Downloading From Youtube, Preferably In mp3?


  This is the link to the converter app in the app store.  
  iConverter Pro - Convert Video to Audio by Yul Fyuse Nishi Duolingo Ikea
  https://appsto.re/us/2D407.i

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Oct 3, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
 wrote:


Can you please give more info about the converter app. I couldn’t find it 
in the iTunes store. Mostly just apps about unit conversion. Thanks, Keith



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Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: Downloading From Youtube, Preferably In mp3?



I use the converter app.  It works like a charm.  It does not format in 
mp3, but formats in M4A.  Basically, that is the successor to mp3.  If you 
download the app, and need some help, contact me offlist.



Candy  

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 3, 2015, at 12:17 AM, Fazil  wrote:

  Hi, list.

  I have Iphone6Plus with IOs9.02.

  Can I download from Youtube, preferably just audio in mp3 format?

  If yes, any app-suggestions?

  Thanks!



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Re: Question about the viewing of mail on an iPad

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What about having a separate POP account to receive your messages from 
school, then you can do what you will with them?


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Rajmund" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Question about the viewing of mail on an iPad


Hello,
Yes, I use the braille sense and braillenote for email. And will continue to 
do so. As long as gmail supports POP, I'll  be using it. And I'll be using 
the Apex for school, because of the keyboard. So this means, if I do some 
research, and want to email it from the IPad, I won't be able to, because 
the whole thing will screw up. I might as well just leave it alone. And I 
could already use IMAP, the sense has it, but I just hate it.


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From: joseph hudson  
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone  
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2015 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: Question about the viewing of mail on an iPad




Hello, well what do you want to or not, any email client did you come 
across is going to run your emails through IMAP from here on out. And I 
hate to be the bearer of bad news but that's how it is. Oh I guess she 
won't be getting mail on your iPad you'll be staying stuck with your 
outdated software. All because you don't want accept change. I mean come 
on let's be honest, how much school work do you think you're going to 
still do on the apex for the braille since U2? That's can require you to 
email?

> On Oct 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Well, I'm sure I could get used to them. Any accessible clients that 
> support POP? If necessary, I won't set it up on the IPad, but I'm not 
> going down the IMAP path.

>
> - Original Message -
> From: joseph hudson  
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone  
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2015 10:00 pm
> Subject: Re: Question about the viewing of mail on an iPad
>
>>
>>
>> Well I hope to be bluntly honest with you, but more and more email 
>> providers, are going strictly IMAP. And the most successful client that 
>> I found so far especially for a new user, would be the native mail app 
>> on the iPad.

>>> On Oct 3, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> LOL, I just thought about that. In theory, POP is more secure, because 
>>> once its downloaded, that's it, its gone. whereas with IMAP, you can 
>>> go as far as 4 months. And at least to me, IMAP has no advantages, and 
>>> its nothing but  trouble. I have a braillenote, that supports nothing 
>>> but POP. And I have a braille sense, with horrible IMAP support. So 
>>> why should I change  to IMAP? Its a 66% against 33%, so I'm sticking 
>>> with POP. My original question of which client would be nice to use 
>>> still applies, though.

>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Christopher Chaltain  
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2015 8:29 pm
>>> Subject: Re: Question about the viewing of mail on an iPad
>>>


 I'm curious, how is POP3 less secure? IMAP has plenty of advantages 
 over
 POP3, but I've never heard security is one of them. In fact, some 
 people
 are concerned about the security of IMAP since your email messages 
 are

 stored on a server and not your own device.

 On 10/03/2015 02:16 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> Yes, you can only use map now. Besides, pop3 is less secure.
>
>> On Oct 3, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Rajmund > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> Can I chime in, please? Where's POP3? Within IOS8.3, I could get to 
>> it

>> from other. Now, however, I can only see the incoming server's
>> heading. Did Apple :( :( :( remove POP? And yeppers, using an IPad.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Mary Otten  >
>> To:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2015 7:10 pm
>> Subject: Question about the viewing of mail on an iPad
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have had an iPad first generation and then an iPad mini two for
>>> sometime now. I don't like the mail on this device, because 
>>> whenever

>>> I open the mail app, it automatically opens into a mail message
>>> rather than into my mailbox list of messages. I have looked 
>>> through
>>> settings, and I don't see a way to change this. Even if I close 
>>> the
>>> mail app with the messages list in view, the next time I open it, 
>>> it
>>> opens with A message opened. Is there a way that I have been 
>>> missing
>>> all these years to force this app open with the messages list in 
>>> view

>>> rather than having an individual message open? It 

ARE YOU THE USER HAVING A PROBLEM WITH SPEAKER AND HEADPHONES?

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Hi,

If you're the user who lost his music when removing the headphones and couldn't 
get it back without a reboot, or something like that ...

First, I apologise that I'm not responding to the thread, but I've already 
trashed it ... and I can't even remember who wrote ... hence this message.

I did an interesting thing this afternoon.  I was playing a track and removed 
my headphones.  The sound cut out. Although I did go through the reboot saga 
the first time around, I decided to try again and found something interesting 
...

I got a clue from the Control Centre where the particular app I was using was 
showing.  I double clicked it, went to the file, selected the file again, then 
played successfully.

It had become obvious to me that the file I was playing was no longer showing 
... so when I pressed "Play" it didn't happen ...

I wonder, therefore, if you may adopt a similar procedure if you pull 
headphones out again and, this time, ensure the file is showing again.  Let me 
know if this works for you.

Alternatively, I have decided to live with the inconvenience and actually stop 
the player before taking headphones out, then starting it again once the 
headphones are out, to see if that's an easier way around.

If you respond to me with your thoughts and findings - or others respond as 
they're also having similar issues - I'll tell you the outcome of my next 
findings.

Carol P


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Re: HOW TO SEARCH FOR UNREAD MESSAGES IN MAIL BOXES

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Hi Sieghard,

Thanks so much for your explanation.  I'm not quite there yet ...

How do you tell which mail boxes are on and off, please as they don't 
actually say "On/Off" to me.  Also, do you have to turn in-boxes off before 
you can turn on the box you want to display?


Sorry, but it's not quite working for me.

Carol P



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From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: HOW TO SEARCH FOR UNREAD MESSAGES IN MAIL BOXES


Hi Carol,

When you open the mail app, make sure you are at the main view, that is 
where you see your account or accounts and mailboxes. At the top right is an 
"Edit" button. Activate it and then explore the screen. Here you can now 
turn off, for example, the "All Inboxes" mailbox which I believe is on by 
default and you can turn on mailboxes like "Unread", "All Trash", "All 
Drafts" etc. If you select to display the "unread" mailbox, then you can 
double tap on it to display only unread messages in any of the accounts you 
have set up.
Note that you can also reorder in which order your mailboxes and accounts 
are displayed, e.g. you can put "Unread" at the top or put "VIP" at the top 
etc. To do this, find the "Reorder" button to the right of each mailbox, 
double tap and hold on it and then drag your finger up or down on the 
screen.



Regards,
Sieghard


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Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:48 PM
To: VI Phone Users 
Subject: HOW TO SEARCH FOR UNREAD MESSAGES IN MAIL BOXES

hi all,

I saw a recent tip on how to find the unmarked messages in mailboxes other 
than the inbox, but now I can't find it. At the time of reading it, I didn't 
really understand it either! I know it involved changing the view of the 
mailbox. However, I can't even find how to view the mailbox, so can't go any 
further!


If anyone has a clue on this, please let me know!

Thanks!



Carol P
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Re: HOW TO SEARCH FOR UNREAD MESSAGES IN MAIL BOXES

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Hi Sieghard,

Thanks so much for your explanation.  I'm not quite there yet ...

How do you tell which mail boxes are on and off, please as they don't 
actually say "On/Off" to me.  Also, do you have to turn in-boxes off before 
you can turn on the box you want to display?


Sorry, but it's not quite working for me.

Carol P



- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: HOW TO SEARCH FOR UNREAD MESSAGES IN MAIL BOXES


Hi Carol,

When you open the mail app, make sure you are at the main view, that is 
where you see your account or accounts and mailboxes. At the top right is an 
"Edit" button. Activate it and then explore the screen. Here you can now 
turn off, for example, the "All Inboxes" mailbox which I believe is on by 
default and you can turn on mailboxes like "Unread", "All Trash", "All 
Drafts" etc. If you select to display the "unread" mailbox, then you can 
double tap on it to display only unread messages in any of the accounts you 
have set up.
Note that you can also reorder in which order your mailboxes and accounts 
are displayed, e.g. you can put "Unread" at the top or put "VIP" at the top 
etc. To do this, find the "Reorder" button to the right of each mailbox, 
double tap and hold on it and then drag your finger up or down on the 
screen.



Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:48 PM
To: VI Phone Users 
Subject: HOW TO SEARCH FOR UNREAD MESSAGES IN MAIL BOXES

hi all,

I saw a recent tip on how to find the unmarked messages in mailboxes other 
than the inbox, but now I can't find it. At the time of reading it, I didn't 
really understand it either! I know it involved changing the view of the 
mailbox. However, I can't even find how to view the mailbox, so can't go any 
further!


If anyone has a clue on this, please let me know!

Thanks!



Carol P
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Recommendations.

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Oh, so there is a new keyboard?  I saw the one for the iPad, but is this for 
any i device, Jonathan?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Mosen 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 9:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Recommendations.


  Hi Anita, mine is still shipping, but I just ordered an iClever foldable 
Bluetooth keyboard from Amazon. Apparently, when you unfold it, it's full-sized 
without a number pad, but it folds up nicely for transport in your pocket. 
Really looking forward to having a play.
  In the meantime I have my Logitech Easy Switch keyboard which is great.

  Jonathan Mosen
  Mosen Consulting
  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
  http://Mosen.org


On 25/09/2015, at 10:14 AM, Anita  wrote:


Hi List,
What's the most popular model of Bluetooth wireless keyboards for the 
Mac and IOS devices? It'd be nice to have one that folds, but isn't a 
must-have. When purchasing one of these, is the numpad included?
Thanks,
Anita


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Re: Flying Ruler it works

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Thanks for that.  I think I'll get it, because it's free today!

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan Beaver 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 1:41 AM
  Subject: Re: Flying Ruler it works


  Hi,

  Well, it claims to be accurate to .06 of an inch.

  Personally with my small trial I found it very accurate indeed.  I started it 
and then moved it only about an inch and a half and it told me it had moved 
1.43 inches.

  I haven't tried it with actual measurements yet but so far I think it is 
going to be very good.

  Dan Beaver


  From: 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 3:19 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Flying Ruler it works


  How accurate do you think it is?

  Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Beaver 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:57 PM
Subject: Flying Ruler it works


Hi,

For anyone who has the need to measure things or distances this app works.  
It works by starting the app then picking your phone up and moving it to the 
distance you want measured.  It works and seems fairly accessible.

Just thought some of you might be interested.

Dan Beaver

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MORE HELP, PLEASE!

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Hi all,

Because of circumstances beyond my control and that I cannot use iTunes to set 
up my new phone, I need to be clear about which option I should go for, bearing 
in mind I could either set up as new or whatever the other option is, 
presumably.  I do have Cloud items backed up (with my other phone).

I would welcome advice now about which method I should choose and why and what, 
in these circumstances, I'll get on my new phone at the end.  For example, will 
I get all my apps back and my purchased music and in which method would this 
work, if either?  Should I really go for the new phone option, because there 
are details I need to give that don't show up anywhere else?

Thank you so much for all those kind helping offers recently.  It's so much 
appreciated and I hope this will be the last question for a while.

Carol P

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Re: HELP WITH NEW 6S AND LIGHTNING CHARGER!

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

OK, got that sorted now, thanks.

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: HELP WITH NEW 6S AND LIGHTNING CHARGER!


Carol,

Christopher already explained how the Lightning cable/plug looks, just plug 
the regular USB end into the charger and an outlet, then plug the small end 
into your iPhone on the bottom in the middle. The port is exactly where the 
30 pin connector used to go in but it's of course a lot smaller and, as 
Christopher said, the nice thing is that you can't plug it in wrong, it goes 
either way.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: HELP WITH NEW 6S AND LIGHTNING CHARGER!

If you're familiar with an older iPhone, like the 4S or earlier, then
the Lightning cable is analogous to the older cable which had a wide 30
pin connector on the end that plugged into the phone. On the iPhone 5
and newer iPhones, instead of a 30 pin connector you have a Lightning
connector which plugs into the phone. It's reversible, so you can plug
it in either way. It's also quite a bit smaller than the 30 pin
connector. It feels kind of like a mini USB connector.

On 09/25/2015 06:37 AM, Michael Feir wrote:

Hello Carol. I have a 5S and it uses a lightning charger. The charger
consists of a cable with a USB end and a small end which goes into the
charging port on your phone. There should also be a small cube with a
two-pronged electrical plug. If I remember correctly, the cord and
cube both have wrapping material on them which should be removed. The
side of the cube directly opposite the prongs has a slot which you fit
the USB end of the cord into. Once you do that, plug the other end of
the cord into your phone and then plug the plug end into an electrical
outlet. If you prefer, you can also simply plug the USB end of the
cable into a usb port on your computer to charge your phone. Hope that
gets you past your difficulty. Enjoy your new phone.

On 9/25/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Please can you explain what I'm looking for with regard to the lightning
charger and how it works, as I've never had one before.

Phone is slowly losing battery ...

Thanks, as always!

Carol P

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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Problem (was: what does every one like about the new update to ios901?)

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Alex, did this work?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 10:42 PM
  Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Problem (was: what does every one like about 
the new update to ios901?)


  What Apple Accessibility told me was to toggle the screen curtain, as odd a 
suggestion at it sounds. If that doesn't help, lock then unlock the phone.

On Sep 24, 2015, at 14:09, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Be sure to send that comment to Accessability because it's obviously quite 
a messy loop where things can and do go wrong.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Smart 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: accessibil...@apple.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:42 PM
  Subject: Bluetooth Keyboard Problem (was: what does every one like about 
the new update to ios901?)


  hmm not here it isn't.

  I thought forgetting then re-pairing with my external keyboard fixed the 
problem. Then, I toggled Voiceover off and back on, and things broke again.

  Rebooting my phone fixed the probem allowing me to use the keyboard again.

  But here's where it gets strange and quite frustrating.

  I thought at this point I had come up with repeatable steps to break then 
fix this issue.
  Forget/re-pair with device fixes, and turning VO off and back on breaks 
it. Reboot phone to fix.
  But, running through that procedure to check its repeatability caused 
things to break again. Nothing I do is restoring functionality with my keyboard 
again, not re-pairing, not rebooting.




  At 03:51 PM 9/23/2015, you wrote:

what does every one like about the new update.I think the blue tooth 
key board ishue is fixed.

```Sent from my iPad

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Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

OK, so which option is that as I set up this phone?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Diakogeorgiou 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:26 PM
  Subject: Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!


  I plan to restore from iCloud. You will get everything back.

  John Diakogeorgiou

  On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:21 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all,

Because of circumstances beyond my control and that I cannot use iTunes to 
set up my new phone, I need to be clear about which option I should go for, 
bearing in mind I could either set up as new or whatever the other option is, 
presumably.  I do have Cloud items backed up (with my other phone).

I would welcome advice now about which method I should choose and why and 
what, in these circumstances, I'll get on my new phone at the end.  For 
example, will I get all my apps back and my purchased music and in which method 
would this work, if either?  Should I really go for the new phone option, 
because there are details I need to give that don't show up anywhere else?

Thank you so much for all those kind helping offers recently.  It's so much 
appreciated and I hope this will be the last question for a while.

Carol P


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HELP WITH NEW 6S AND LIGHTNING CHARGER!

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Please can you explain what I'm looking for with regard to the lightning 
charger and how it works, as I've never had one before.

Phone is slowly losing battery ...

Thanks, as always!

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Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!

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I was able to install from my iCloud backup and found very few things that 
weren't passworded, which I expected, and all settings appear to be as they 
were, remarkably, on my 4S.

I'm well pleased!

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:52 PM
  Subject: Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!


  I agree with John. If you cannot use an encrypted iTunes backup you're only 
reasonable choice is the cloud, that is, unless you want to totally redo your 
phone. Then you can start as new and only download those things that you want. 
You would have to make all new folders.
  Mary
  PS because you can't use the encrypted backup, all your saved network 
passwords are going to be lost, so you will have to enter them all again. If 
you have lots of networks that you connect with, that might be something of a 
pain.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 25, 2015, at 9:26 AM, John Diakogeorgiou <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


I plan to restore from iCloud. You will get everything back.

John Diakogeorgiou

On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:21 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


  Hi all,

  Because of circumstances beyond my control and that I cannot use iTunes 
to set up my new phone, I need to be clear about which option I should go for, 
bearing in mind I could either set up as new or whatever the other option is, 
presumably.  I do have Cloud items backed up (with my other phone).

  I would welcome advice now about which method I should choose and why and 
what, in these circumstances, I'll get on my new phone at the end.  For 
example, will I get all my apps back and my purchased music and in which method 
would this work, if either?  Should I really go for the new phone option, 
because there are details I need to give that don't show up anywhere else?

  Thank you so much for all those kind helping offers recently.  It's so 
much appreciated and I hope this will be the last question for a while.

  Carol P


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Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!

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Just not charging, no matter how firmly everything is in.  Can't find any paper 
left anywhere.  ...

May be a trip to the Apple Store ...

Carol P

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  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:53 PM
  Subject: Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!


  What's wrong with your USB to AC adapter?




  Thanks,
  Ari

  On Sep 25, 2015, at 11:14 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Got it and all sortede now.  Backup worked fine and all my settings were 
also right.

You'll have no difficulty working out which option you want, John.

Just got to get the lightning plug to work but, till then, it's on the 
computer to charge.

BIG THANKS TO EVERYONE!

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Diakogeorgiou 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 6:39 PM
  Subject: Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!


  I don't know the exact wording but don't choose set up as new phone. I 
will be able to answer better when UPS shows up.

  John Diakogeorgiou

  On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:27 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


OK, so which option is that as I set up this phone?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Diakogeorgiou 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:26 PM
  Subject: Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!


  I plan to restore from iCloud. You will get everything back.

  John Diakogeorgiou

  On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:21 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all,

Because of circumstances beyond my control and that I cannot use 
iTunes to set up my new phone, I need to be clear about which option I should 
go for, bearing in mind I could either set up as new or whatever the other 
option is, presumably.  I do have Cloud items backed up (with my other phone).

I would welcome advice now about which method I should choose and 
why and what, in these circumstances, I'll get on my new phone at the end.  For 
example, will I get all my apps back and my purchased music and in which method 
would this work, if either?  Should I really go for the new phone option, 
because there are details I need to give that don't show up anywhere else?

Thank you so much for all those kind helping offers recently.  It's 
so much appreciated and I hope this will be the last question for a while.

Carol P


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Re: Flying Ruler it works

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How accurate do you think it is?

Carol P

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  From: Dan Beaver 
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  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:57 PM
  Subject: Flying Ruler it works


  Hi,

  For anyone who has the need to measure things or distances this app works.  
It works by starting the app then picking your phone up and moving it to the 
distance you want measured.  It works and seems fairly accessible.

  Just thought some of you might be interested.

  Dan Beaver

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Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Got it and all sortede now.  Backup worked fine and all my settings were also 
right.

You'll have no difficulty working out which option you want, John.

Just got to get the lightning plug to work but, till then, it's on the computer 
to charge.

BIG THANKS TO EVERYONE!

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Diakogeorgiou 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 6:39 PM
  Subject: Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!


  I don't know the exact wording but don't choose set up as new phone. I will 
be able to answer better when UPS shows up.

  John Diakogeorgiou

  On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:27 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


OK, so which option is that as I set up this phone?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Diakogeorgiou 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:26 PM
  Subject: Re: MORE HELP, PLEASE!


  I plan to restore from iCloud. You will get everything back.

  John Diakogeorgiou

  On Sep 25, 2015, at 12:21 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all,

Because of circumstances beyond my control and that I cannot use iTunes 
to set up my new phone, I need to be clear about which option I should go for, 
bearing in mind I could either set up as new or whatever the other option is, 
presumably.  I do have Cloud items backed up (with my other phone).

I would welcome advice now about which method I should choose and why 
and what, in these circumstances, I'll get on my new phone at the end.  For 
example, will I get all my apps back and my purchased music and in which method 
would this work, if either?  Should I really go for the new phone option, 
because there are details I need to give that don't show up anywhere else?

Thank you so much for all those kind helping offers recently.  It's so 
much appreciated and I hope this will be the last question for a while.

Carol P


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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Problem (was: what does every one like about the new update to ios901?)

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Do tell us if it works.  I'm beginning to wonder if they're grabbing at straws 
and I do hope not, so will be pleased to know if either of those things work!  


Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 10:42 PM
  Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Problem (was: what does every one like about 
the new update to ios901?)


  What Apple Accessibility told me was to toggle the screen curtain, as odd a 
suggestion at it sounds. If that doesn't help, lock then unlock the phone.

On Sep 24, 2015, at 14:09, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Be sure to send that comment to Accessability because it's obviously quite 
a messy loop where things can and do go wrong.

Carol P

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  From: Chris Smart 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: accessibil...@apple.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:42 PM
  Subject: Bluetooth Keyboard Problem (was: what does every one like about 
the new update to ios901?)


  hmm not here it isn't.

  I thought forgetting then re-pairing with my external keyboard fixed the 
problem. Then, I toggled Voiceover off and back on, and things broke again.

  Rebooting my phone fixed the probem allowing me to use the keyboard again.

  But here's where it gets strange and quite frustrating.

  I thought at this point I had come up with repeatable steps to break then 
fix this issue.
  Forget/re-pair with device fixes, and turning VO off and back on breaks 
it. Reboot phone to fix.
  But, running through that procedure to check its repeatability caused 
things to break again. Nothing I do is restoring functionality with my keyboard 
again, not re-pairing, not rebooting.




  At 03:51 PM 9/23/2015, you wrote:

what does every one like about the new update.I think the blue tooth 
key board ishue is fixed.

```Sent from my iPad

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Re: Facetime Is Missing

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OK, it's probably there still.  This happened to me in Version 8.

Ask Siri to go to Facetime and see if you get it.  If you do then that 
probably means that it's hidden between two others somewhere.  Try to back 
out and see where that takes you, but remember you may not see it.  It could 
also be hiding in a folder which has been, perhaps inadveertently, created.


I can't remember any more detail as to how I got it to be seen again but 
think I just moved some things off the page.


Carol P



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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:17 AM
Subject: Facetime Is Missing




Hi. My girlfriend has an iPhone 6 running IOS 9.0, as I do.  I don't know 
how this happened or when, but the Facetime app is missing from her phone 
and we can't find it anywhere.  I've gone through all of her home screens 
and various folders, and tried finding it using spotlight search, with no 
luck. How would it have disappeared, and how do we get it back?  Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.
Tom
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Re: HELP WITH NEW 6S AND LIGHTNING CHARGER!

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Thanks so much.

It seems that I may have the right combination for charging, but it doesn't 
appear to work in any electric outlet I've tried;  howeverk, it could just 
be stiff so I'll give it another go later and also check for any missed 
paper.


Meantime, I'd decided to plug it into my computer, so all is well on that 
front now.


Thanks so much!

Carol P

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From: "Michael Feir" <michael.f...@gmail.com>

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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: HELP WITH NEW 6S AND LIGHTNING CHARGER!



Hello Carol. I have a 5S and it uses a lightning charger. The charger
consists of a cable with a USB end and a small end which goes into the
charging port on your phone. There should also be a small cube with a
two-pronged electrical plug. If I remember correctly, the cord and
cube both have wrapping material on them which should be removed. The
side of the cube directly opposite the prongs has a slot which you fit
the USB end of the cord into. Once you do that, plug the other end of
the cord into your phone and then plug the plug end into an electrical
outlet. If you prefer, you can also simply plug the USB end of the
cable into a usb port on your computer to charge your phone. Hope that
gets you past your difficulty. Enjoy your new phone.

On 9/25/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
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Please can you explain what I'm looking for with regard to the lightning
charger and how it works, as I've never had one before.

Phone is slowly losing battery ...

Thanks, as always!

Carol P

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Re: AmazonBasics bluetooth keyboard

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I'm also using mBraille quite a lot and prefer it over the onboard Braille.

Carol P

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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: AmazonBasics bluetooth keyboard




i actually had not tried it with iOS 9, but it worked great with 8.4.1.
I did try forgetting the device and even rebooting the phone, no luck.
Good thing I've gotten really good with mBraille.
Richard


On Sep 23, 2015, at 7:45 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
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Did it work with 9.0?  In any case, I think it's worth forgetting the 
device and pairing once again.  ...


Carol P

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Subject: AmazonBasics bluetooth keyboard


My AmazonBasics Bluetooth Keyboard will connect to my iPhone 5S and I 
can control the phone from the keyboard  with the various VO commands.
But, when I go to type in any fields or edit boxes, the phone just 
bongs.

Quick Nav is off.
This is iOS 9.0.1.
Any ideas?
Richard

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6S TOMORROW - A FEW QUESTIONS

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Hi all,

Three questions, if I may:

1Has anyone seen how much charging time the 6S is going to take before use?
2If I haven't already got my sim, can I still set up and get past the phone 
bit till later?
and
3. Has anyone seen anything about what buttons are where on the 6S?

Thanks for any responses.  They're not desperate questions but, useful, if 
anyone knows ...

Carol P

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Re: NEW EDITING FEATURE - LOVE IT!

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I can't think what you'd want to do that for.  I think you'd have to select by 
word, delete that word, or whatever you wanted to do, then continue.

Do try it out!

Carol P

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  From: Fazil 
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  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 7:54 AM
  Subject: RE: NEW EDITING FEATURE - LOVE IT!


  Can I select every other word in a line?

  Thanks!

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 8:45 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: NEW EDITING FEATURE - LOVE IT!

   

  hi Gerry,

  This is what you do:

   

  firstly, with the rotor, you go to edit and double tap edit. You then use the 
rotor again and go to the left until you reach edit selection. you will hear 
instructions this point. At this time, you select what you want to edit by and 
you do this by flicking one finger down and you will see characters lines et 
cetera. You then just start editing. to do this you then swipe left or right 
right selects whatever you have decided upon and left deselects. after that, I 
cannot describe it properly but you can press delete key on what you have 
selected that should get you started and do experiment because you can't do 
anything dangerous, as long as you don't mind if you do the wrong thing!

  Hope this helps.

   

  Carol P

  Sent from my iPhone using MBraille


  On 23 Sep 2015, at 10:36 a.m., Gerald Mader <maderra...@icloud.com> wrote:

  I can't quite get the hang of how to use it. How do you use this feature to 
select lines in Say that you want to delete them. If you put it online 
selection and the only thing that you have available to use is words how do you 
make the line selection work? Thank you. Jerry Mader

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Sep 23, 2015, at 3:16 AM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
wrote:

I love it also! Used it for real the first time today as part of sending an 
article to another list. Worked like a charm.


On 22 Sep 2015, at 22:35, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
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  I have to say that I love the new editing feature and, for this alone, 
it's well worth the upgrade, if you can put up with the bugs so far mentioned 
...

   

  I must say, though, that it took me a while to realise that you expanded 
the selection by words or lines (instead of letters) by flicking down.  How I 
wish I'd had a clue on that one!  

   

  Anyway, despite the time I wasted figuring it out ... I'm delighted!

   

  Carol P

   

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Re: 6S TOMORROW - A FEW QUESTIONS

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Only seen the 6 a couple of times ...

There was no mention of a sim when I ordered and we don't usually find that to 
be the case here in the UK.  I have ordered one locally.

Carol P

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  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:43 AM
  Subject: Re: 6S TOMORROW - A FEW QUESTIONS


  It looks exactly like the 6. It should take about two hours to charge. Also, 
the sim should already Bebe in the phone.

  John Diakogeorgiou

  On Sep 24, 2015, at 6:25 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all,

Three questions, if I may:

1Has anyone seen how much charging time the 6S is going to take before 
use?
2If I haven't already got my sim, can I still set up and get past the 
phone bit till later?
and
3. Has anyone seen anything about what buttons are where on the 6S?

Thanks for any responses.  They're not desperate questions but, useful, if 
anyone knows ...

Carol P


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Re: Line breaks in SMS messages using a braille keyboard

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Try space+E or  dot 8+space.

HTH:

Carol P

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  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 12:09 PM
  Subject: Line breaks in SMS messages using a braille keyboard


  Hi,

   

  Has anyone found a way to make line breaks in SMS messages using a braille 
keyboard on a braille display, i.e. without sending the message? As you 
probably know, pressing Enter now means send and not just a new line.

   

  Thanks,

  /David R.


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Re: Ios9 no longer reports number of Messages in thread

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I was using my 4S with 9.1 today and had threading on.  (I don't veryh often 
do this as I really just prefer to read and deal with ...)


When I reached the thread, I had to double tap on the first message to be 
read.  At that point I learned how many messages there were in the thread. 
On examining the screen, somewhere near the top I could see Thread and then 
3 of 5, or whatever it was.  Not quite what we'd like to see, but maybe 
that's always how it worked.  Are those of you expecting to see the number 
of messages in the thread before you double tap on it?


Carol P

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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: Ios9 no longer reports number of Messages in thread


It appears from what was said by the person who is running iOS 9.1 Beta that 
eventually this will be fixed. Remember that the official 9.0.1 release is 
not the same as the 9.1 Beta and typically the first major update where 
instead of 9.0.x it goes to 9.1.x does not come out until November. From 
what you can read and hear online it sounds like the 9.1 release will be 
somewhat tied to the availability of the new iPad Pro which will be some 
time in November. Until then or until that feature is fixed in one of the 
9.0.x updates you are out of luck.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 11:29 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Ios9 no longer reports number of Messages in thread

I just installed iOS 9.01.I still have the same problem. When you have 
a multiple message thread, it merely says, "multiple items."   It used to 
say the exact number of messages in the thread. Is there anyway to get this 
behavior back?


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Re: 6S TOMORROW - A FEW QUESTIONS

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Thanks, Sieghard.  I knew there was something different about the 6, having 
seen one a couple of times, but couldn't recall what it was.  Now I know, it's 
the power button.

Anyway, thanks for your various comments; I do appreciate all your input.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 6:42 PM
  Subject: RE: 6S TOMORROW - A FEW QUESTIONS


  Carol,

   

  The phones are usually sufficiently charged to get going at least to where 
it’s set up and where you can check the battery with Voiceover, but you can 
always just plug it in when it arrives which, of course, will also turn it on 
automatically and since there is a short double vibrate when the phone is 
plugged in, it’s not a bad idea.

   

  It has exactly the same buttons as all iPhones, e.g. volume up/down on the 
left side, a mute switch above the volume up button, the home button and the 
power button. Only difference is that the power button is no longer on the top 
right of the phone, but it is now on the top right side across from the volume 
buttons. SIM tray is still on the right side where it has always been and the 
headphone jack is at the bottom to the left of the Lightning port, if you are 
coming from a 4S this will be different since the 4S had the headphone jack on 
the top.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

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  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:09 AM
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  Subject: Re: 6S TOMORROW - A FEW QUESTIONS

   

  Only seen the 6 a couple of times ...

   

  There was no mention of a sim when I ordered and we don't usually find that 
to be the case here in the UK.  I have ordered one locally.

   

  Carol P

   

- Original Message - 

From: John Diakogeorgiou 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: 6S TOMORROW - A FEW QUESTIONS

 

It looks exactly like the 6. It should take about two hours to charge. 
Also, the sim should already Bebe in the phone.

John Diakogeorgiou


On Sep 24, 2015, at 6:25 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
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  Hi all,

   

  Three questions, if I may:

   

  1Has anyone seen how much charging time the 6S is going to take 
before use?

  2If I haven't already got my sim, can I still set up and get past the 
phone bit till later?

  and

  3. Has anyone seen anything about what buttons are where on the 6S?

   

  Thanks for any responses.  They're not desperate questions but, useful, 
if anyone knows ...

   

  Carol P

   

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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Problem (was: what does every one like about the new update to ios901?)

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Be sure to send that comment to Accessability because it's obviously quite a 
messy loop where things can and do go wrong.

Carol P

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  Cc: accessibil...@apple.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:42 PM
  Subject: Bluetooth Keyboard Problem (was: what does every one like about the 
new update to ios901?)


  hmm not here it isn't.

  I thought forgetting then re-pairing with my external keyboard fixed the 
problem. Then, I toggled Voiceover off and back on, and things broke again.

  Rebooting my phone fixed the probem allowing me to use the keyboard again.

  But here's where it gets strange and quite frustrating.

  I thought at this point I had come up with repeatable steps to break then fix 
this issue.
  Forget/re-pair with device fixes, and turning VO off and back on breaks it. 
Reboot phone to fix.
  But, running through that procedure to check its repeatability caused things 
to break again. Nothing I do is restoring functionality with my keyboard again, 
not re-pairing, not rebooting.




  At 03:51 PM 9/23/2015, you wrote:

what does every one like about the new update.I think the blue tooth key 
board ishue is fixed.

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Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.

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Glad it worked for you.

See, it really was worth a try!  

Carol P

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Subject: Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.


I hhad to forget the bluetooth keyboard and pair it again and turn the 
iphone on and then I was able to type again with the keyboard.


Terri

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Sorry, what did you try!  Your post is no longer at the bottom of this 
message ...


Carol P

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Hi.  I tried that and I still can't text with the blue tooth keyboard.

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Re: HELP - WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN ...

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

I noticed, OK!  

It did eventually start, thanks, but took longer than I thought it should.  
It's an old 4S though and more recently hasn't always spoken when rebooting 
after updates and my husband has had to call it to check if it's working.  This 
has usually worked, but it didn't tonight - then I heard the welcome reboot 
sound!  

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 10:43 PM
  Subject: RE: HELP - WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN ...


  I would wait, not sure what phone you have, but especially on an older phone 
it could take quite long.

  If nothing happens after an hour or more, put a few drops of oil into the 
headjack port and give the top left corner of the phone a firm tap with a large 
hammer to make sure things slip along. OK, so this was just a joke just in case 
you haven’t noticed.

  What model of phone is this?

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

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  Hi all,

   

  I've done the small update to iOS9.1, but the phone has now been sitting here 
updating for 25 minutes.

   

  What do I do if nothing happens?

   

  Carol P

  What do I do now?

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Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.

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Great!

I wasn't keen to do it either but realised I had nothing to lose!  

I hope everyone else gives it a go also.

Carol P

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Subject: Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.


Hi Carol, thank you I was worried when I tried and it didn't work, but now 
after you wrote I too tried the same way, and I can write with the 
bluetooth and send. thank you again.Cheers, Ruby
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Glad it worked for you.

See, it really was worth a try!  

Carol P

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Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.


I hhad to forget the bluetooth keyboard and pair it again and turn the 
iphone on and then I was able to type again with the keyboard.


Terri

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Sorry, what did you try!  Your post is no longer at the bottom of this 
message ...


Carol P

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Hi.  I tried that and I still can't text with the blue tooth keyboard.

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HELP - WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN ...

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Hi all,

I've done the small update to iOS9.1, but the phone has now been sitting here 
updating for 25 minutes.

What do I do if nothing happens?

Carol P
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Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.

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Sorry, what did you try!  Your post is no longer at the bottom of this 
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Hi.  I tried that and I still can't text with the blue tooth keyboard.

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Re: iCloud backup

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OK, I don't have anything that does articles, so I'll just leave them all on!  


Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 1:07 AM
  Subject: Re: iCloud backup


  By default, all apps will back up to iCloud, as far as I know. The ones I 
turn off are the ones that save *all* of their content online anyway. 
Instapaper or Pocket, for instance, will pull all your articles, folders, and 
so on from the internet once you log in, so there's no sense backing them up. 
Same for Facebook, Messenger, Rooms, Twitter, Dice World, Skype, and others. Of 
course, I did all this back in the caveman days of early 2015, way back when I 
only had 5GB of iCloud space. Now that I'm paying a buck a month for 50GB, I 
don't bother and let iCloud back up whatever it wants to. 

On Sep 22, 2015, at 16:29, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Another question springs from that one:  Which apps should we check to 
enable iCloud backup?

If in doubt I check mine, but am not always sure which to go for.

I guess the GPS apps that save POIs may be included ... or maybe not ...

Anyway, if anyone uses ones that definitely backup to iCloud, I'd like to 
know.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
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  To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:34 PM
  Subject: Re: iCloud backup


  They should be safe in your iCloud backup, so long as VDR is set to back 
up, of course.

On Sep 22, 2015, at 15:02, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:


Will my books on Voice Dream Reader come back when restoring from 
iCloud backup or only from iTunes backup?
Thanks
Harry

 

On 22 Sep 2015, at 19:56, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:


  An iCloud backup will give you everything--apps and all their data, 
home screen layout, settings, all that. The only things it lacks are secure 
items. That is, it won't give you your wifi passwords, logins for apps, and so 
on. It will be unaffected by iCloud Keychain for Safari; what I mean is that 
your Facebook app, for instance, won't come up with you logged in. It will 
instead have you log in when you first open it, because iCloud backups don't 
contain login details like that. I hope this makes sense.

On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:29, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:


Follow-up question:
If one just backs up to the cloud regularly, not backing up using 
iTunes, and needs to restore the phone at some future time, will they have to 
manually download each app again from the App Store, then restore from the last 
iCloud back up? Or, is iCloud smart enough to also get the App store to 
redownload all apps?

Chris

 
At 06:00 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:

  It does not back up apps, it will back up your data such as 
contacts. For a true backup use iTunes and backup the phone that way. That will 
backup all your apps and data.
   
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Steve Sweeney
  Sent: September 18, 2015 17:35
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: iCloud backup
   
  Hi,
  Does the iCloud backup backup the entire phone including all of 
its apps and data or does it just back up the OS and basic data like contacts… 
tthe checked items in iCloud in settings?
  Thx –Steve
   
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Re: AmazonBasics bluetooth keyboard

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Did it work with 9.0?  In any case, I think it's worth forgetting the device 
and pairing once again.  ...


Carol P

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From: "Richard Turner" 

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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:58 AM
Subject: AmazonBasics bluetooth keyboard


My AmazonBasics Bluetooth Keyboard will connect to my iPhone 5S and I can 
control the phone from the keyboard  with the various VO commands.

But, when I go to type in any fields or edit boxes, the phone just bongs.
Quick Nav is off.
This is iOS 9.0.1.
Any ideas?
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Re: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.

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Well, I know I've said this a fair few times now ... but it really worked 
for me.


Try deleting the current pairing you havef with this keyboard on your 5 and 
re-pairing.


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Terri Elliott" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Sending texts using the Iphone 5 using a bluetooth keyboard.




This is really weird.  When I try to text via email or via text the blue 
toothe keyboards won't let me type a text.  All I get is a drumb noise so 
I can't type in a text.  It works just fine on my Iphone 4 s but not with 
the 5 s.  Both devices are updated to ios9.  Any ideas or suggestions? 
Powering off the phone and turning it back on did not seem to solve the 
problem.  This did not start doing this until today.  Thanks.


Terri

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Re: iCloud backup

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Another question springs from that one:  Which apps should we check to enable 
iCloud backup?

If in doubt I check mine, but am not always sure which to go for.

I guess the GPS apps that save POIs may be included ... or maybe not ...

Anyway, if anyone uses ones that definitely backup to iCloud, I'd like to know.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
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  To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:34 PM
  Subject: Re: iCloud backup


  They should be safe in your iCloud backup, so long as VDR is set to back up, 
of course.

On Sep 22, 2015, at 15:02, Harry Bell  wrote:


Will my books on Voice Dream Reader come back when restoring from iCloud 
backup or only from iTunes backup?
Thanks
Harry

 

On 22 Sep 2015, at 19:56, Alex Hall  wrote:


  An iCloud backup will give you everything--apps and all their data, home 
screen layout, settings, all that. The only things it lacks are secure items. 
That is, it won't give you your wifi passwords, logins for apps, and so on. It 
will be unaffected by iCloud Keychain for Safari; what I mean is that your 
Facebook app, for instance, won't come up with you logged in. It will instead 
have you log in when you first open it, because iCloud backups don't contain 
login details like that. I hope this makes sense.

On Sep 22, 2015, at 14:29, Chris Smart  wrote:


Follow-up question:
If one just backs up to the cloud regularly, not backing up using 
iTunes, and needs to restore the phone at some future time, will they have to 
manually download each app again from the App Store, then restore from the last 
iCloud back up? Or, is iCloud smart enough to also get the App store to 
redownload all apps?

Chris

 
At 06:00 PM 9/18/2015, you wrote:

  It does not back up apps, it will back up your data such as contacts. 
For a true backup use iTunes and backup the phone that way. That will backup 
all your apps and data.
   
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  Sent: September 18, 2015 17:35
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  Subject: iCloud backup
   
  Hi,
  Does the iCloud backup backup the entire phone including all of its 
apps and data or does it just back up the OS and basic data like contacts… tthe 
checked items in iCloud in settings?
  Thx –Steve
   
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Re: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

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Don't forget, if it doesn't work properly in all areas, consider re-pairing, as 
I suggested in a previous mail to you.

It really did work for me when I wasn't able to write in edit fields.

Carol P

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  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:01 PM
  Subject: RE: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9


  Well, I think the batteries I found were old and so, no go.  Got new ones, 
just have not tried them yet since typing on the keyboard was not particularly 
comfortable for me.  Will check it out before the 4th of October.  

   

   

  Rose Combs

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  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 5:27 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

   

  Rose,

   

  Have you tried re-pairing it.  This means you first have to forget the 
pairing you already have, by tapping on that option.

   

  It worked for me when my keyboard wasn't working properly and after upgrading 
to iOS Version 9.

   

  Carol P

   

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From: Rose Combs 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:36 PM

Subject: RE: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

 

I am unable to get a Logitech or Apple keyboard to connect to my iPhone 6, 
never have been able to do it for some reason.  Alone, no one to read numbers I 
may need to enter on the phone, have not found them either.  Frustrating as I 
will be taking a class soon where having the ability to type would be most 
helpful.  

Do not understand at all how to braille on an iPhone screen, never have had 
any luck with that.  Just truly need real keys.  

 

 

Rose Combs

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A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rich Ring
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Rich Ring
Subject: Re: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

 

My Logitech K811 works fine with my iPhone 5S. These bugs are just so 
strange!

  On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:

   

  Well, after all the excitement about this, I decided to try this on my 
backup iPhone. On the iPhone 5, my apple Bluetooth keyboard works fine, It does 
not even have double letters. I wonder if anyone else is using this same setup 
and what their experience is. I hesitate to update my iPhone 6, but the 5 
certainly works in many edit fields I have been working in.

   

  Neal

   

   

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Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while dictating

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Actually, I think this was the case in earlier versions.  I tend to write in 
smallish chunks at a time, to give myself thinking time and (hopefully) make 
less errors.

Carol P

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  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while 
dictating


  Yes, same thing I have on Facebook.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 9:32 PM
  Subject: Dictation, Facebook, and unwanted chatter from voiceover while 
dictating


  A couple of days ago, when I upgraded my for S, I noted that I had a problem 
when trying to dictate a comment on Facebook, which was that voiceover started 
talking while I was still dictating. That resulted in trouble concentrating for 
me and a garbled mess for my comment. I rebooted the phone and then dictated an 
email message, which went fine. So I thought the problem was solved, or was 
perhaps something to do with my for S being slow.
  I have been using this 5S to dictate several email messages. I just tried 
doing a Facebook comment, and, lo and behold, I got the unwanted intrusion a 
voiceover dictating before I was through. Has anyone else noticed this problem 
when dictating into something other than a mail message, where you hear back 
what you were saying before you have double tapped to indicate you're done? Is 
this a bug or is it just me?
  I was using the Siri female voice when this latest intrusion happened. Now 
I'm using Alex. I suppose I should try and email using the Siri female voice to 
make sure that it isn't Alex that is doing a good job, and the bug that is 
appearing elsewhere.
  Mary

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NEW EDITING FEATURE - LOVE IT!

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

I have to say that I love the new editing feature and, for this alone, it's 
well worth the upgrade, if you can put up with the bugs so far mentioned ...

I must say, though, that it took me a while to realise that you expanded the 
selection by words or lines (instead of letters) by flicking down.  How I wish 
I'd had a clue on that one!  

Anyway, despite the time I wasted figuring it out ... I'm delighted!

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Re: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

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Rose,

Have you tried re-pairing it.  This means you first have to forget the pairing 
you already have, by tapping on that option.

It worked for me when my keyboard wasn't working properly and after upgrading 
to iOS Version 9.

Carol P

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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:36 PM
  Subject: RE: My apple Bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9


  I am unable to get a Logitech or Apple keyboard to connect to my iPhone 6, 
never have been able to do it for some reason.  Alone, no one to read numbers I 
may need to enter on the phone, have not found them either.  Frustrating as I 
will be taking a class soon where having the ability to type would be most 
helpful.  

  Do not understand at all how to braille on an iPhone screen, never have had 
any luck with that.  Just truly need real keys.  

   

   

  Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

  A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
memory!

   

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Rich Ring
  Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:30 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Cc: Rich Ring
  Subject: Re: My apple bluetooth keyboard works in iOS 9

   

  My Logitech K811 works fine with my iPhone 5S. These bugs are just so strange!

On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Neal Ewers  wrote:

 

Well, after all the excitement about this, I decided to try this on my 
backup iPhone. On the iPhone 5, my apple Bluetooth keyboard works fine, It does 
not even have double letters. I wonder if anyone else is using this same setup 
and what their experience is. I hesitate to update my iPhone 6, but the 5 
certainly works in many edit fields I have been working in.

 

Neal

 

 

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Re: iOS9 and Fantastical

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Yes, you're right there.

How do I find where to report it?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:21 AM
  Subject: Re: iOS9 and Fantastical




  I just tried it and you are correct.
  But, even without VoiceOver running, my wife couldn't enter anything. She 
said it was dimmed.
  I think we have a major bug in Fantastical with iOS 9. I also find that when 
I open Fantastical it takes me to a date either in April of this year, or 
October of last year.
  Very strange.
  Richard



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Hi all,

If anyone has upgraded to iOS 9 and uses Fantastical, can you confirm 
whether it's working for you when you go to create a new event?  I can select 
new event and go to write it in, but then I can't read the screen at all so 
can't write it in the edit box.  However, if I add the event using another 
diary, I can read and edit that event in Fantastical.

I'd love to know of others' experiences with this and if anyone has an idea 
what's going on?

Carol P


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Re: Email losing focus when dictating in iOS 9

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Nancy,

Yeah, the text boxes sometimes seem to work differently.  I had a situation 
the other day where my position was spoken as being somewhere in the text 
and the only way I could get to the end was by moving the cursor.  This 
wasn't too much of a bother and I need to do some more editing before I 
reach a conclusion on this one.


Anyone else had experiences like this?  Were you using an external keyboard 
at the time as I was?


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Nancy Badger" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 3:31 AM
Subject: Email losing focus when dictating in iOS 9


Hello,
This is something I have noticed since installing iOS 9. I have also noticed 
it as I have read through email messages on this list today. I dictate the 
subject of the email. Then I double tap on the body of the email to change 
the focus to the body of the email instead of this subject of the email. 
Sometimes the focus remains on the subject and it becomes a very long 
subject. Other times it moves to the end or someplace in the middle of the 
email. I have looked at some emails today where people have accidentally 
written on the bottom of the email. I have also looked at some rather long 
subject lines. Could this be A focus problem in 9.0? I have never had this 
problem before. Has anyone else noticed it?


Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

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Re: is app data included in the iCloud backup

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Yeah, that would be interesting to know.  After all, when you upgrade over 
the air everything (usually) comes back absolutely sorted as you left it, 
though I know for some upgrades (if you have the space) it's not necessary 
that the information is removed, so perhaps that's why!  


Anyone know?

Carol P

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Subject: is app data included in the iCloud backup


I know that app data does get backed up to the cloud, but I'm wondering if 
it is a part of an actual iCloud backup, or is it treated separately like 
contacts and calendar data? What is prompting me to ask the question, is 
that I'm trying to figure out just how my app data got restored back to my 
iPhone 6.


Somehow, after I upgraded to iOS 9 from the iOS 9 public beta, opting to 
do that rather than upgrade to the iOS 9.1 beta, I goofed up something 
during the process.  For, when I tried to restore from iTunes, only my 
default apps were showing up, even though my device settings appeared to 
be restored.  Then, when I tried to restore from an iCloud backup, I was 
told there were no backups of my device, even though I had backed up to 
iCloud just a few days before.  Although, to be fair, I had checked iCloud 
earlier before I started this process and was told there were no backups, 
and in fact, the several backups I had then tried to perform had failed, 
something I just attributed to using the beta.  I had, though,  just done 
an encrypted iTunes backup manually.


Thus, after several attempts to restore my apps from the iTunes backup not 
working, I finally just restored once again from that iTunes backup that 
preserved my settings, and then I manually went in and put all my apps 
back on the phone.  I first started adding them through iTunes, but found 
that more time consuming than I liked, so used the app store on my phone 
to put the rest of them back.  Then, I was fully prepared to either put 
all my app data on the phone manually, or just live without it, depending 
on the app.  So, you can imagine just how pleased I was to go into all my 
apps and find all my data there and up to date.  For examples, my two 
checkbook programs had my account transactions even from earlier that day, 
Ariadne GPS showed all my favorites and Weather Radio still showed my 
selected cities.  I figured I had overwritten the iTunes backup with all 
my attempts to fix things, and I had lost my prior iCloud backup somehow 
when working with the beta.


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Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

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Do you have to set up a password then to get into that area to do Touch ID? 
(Is this a failsafe method so you can get in if/when the Touch ID doesn't 
work)?


Carol P


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls


I completely agree with John. Go to Settings > Touch Id and Passcode, you 
have to enter your passcode to get into this area. Then find the Add 
Fingerprint button and just follow the instructions. If you set it up right 
it will be much easier to unlock your phone using Touch Id, it is even 
easier and faster than if you don't set up a passcode and just find and 
double tap the u nlock button. If your phone is locked, you still have to 
press the home or power button to wake it up, then find the unlock button 
and double tap it. Once you set up your fingerprint and have a bit of 
practice, you can do it all in one press of the home button. You press it 
down briefly to wake up the phone, let go but lightly continue to rest your 
finger on the button a second or a bit less and your phone will be unlocked. 
Only time it may not work is if your finger is quite wet or if the button 
might have gotten very dirty. Apple says that with the 6S and 6S Plus the 
Touch Id sensor is new and it is supposed to be up to twice as fast. To me 
this is hard to understand because even with my 5S it's almost 
instantaneous.



Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of John Diakogeorgiou

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

no it doesn't. You may find that using the finger print is easier than the 
pass code each time.


On 9/21/15, dacia.l...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi,
When I upgraded to I OS 9 yesterday, it made me create a passcode. I
chose not to do the fingerprint, as that seems more complicated to me.
However, now anytime I want to do anything, I have to enter the
passcode. Does that include answering phone calls? I hope not, as that
is very annoying, and takes a little bit of time to enter the
passcode, and by the time you enter it, the call will be ended.
Thank you,
Dacia
PS, if I want to disable the passcode, what I go into settings, and
touch ID, then do something from there?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

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So, the first time being when you're setting up the Touch ID, or each time 
you reboot, or perhaps once you've locked the screen, or been away for some 
time ...?


Sorry, I'm not quite clear.

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "John Diakogeorgiou" <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls



Yes because if you need to reboot your phone you must enter the
password the first time.

On 9/21/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Do you have to set up a password then to get into that area to do Touch 
ID?


(Is this a failsafe method so you can get in if/when the Touch ID doesn't
work)?

Carol P


Carol P

- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls


I completely agree with John. Go to Settings > Touch Id and Passcode, you
have to enter your passcode to get into this area. Then find the Add
Fingerprint button and just follow the instructions. If you set it up 
right


it will be much easier to unlock your phone using Touch Id, it is even
easier and faster than if you don't set up a passcode and just find and
double tap the u nlock button. If your phone is locked, you still have to
press the home or power button to wake it up, then find the unlock button
and double tap it. Once you set up your fingerprint and have a bit of
practice, you can do it all in one press of the home button. You press it
down briefly to wake up the phone, let go but lightly continue to rest 
your


finger on the button a second or a bit less and your phone will be 
unlocked.


Only time it may not work is if your finger is quite wet or if the button
might have gotten very dirty. Apple says that with the 6S and 6S Plus the
Touch Id sensor is new and it is supposed to be up to twice as fast. To 
me

this is hard to understand because even with my 5S it's almost
instantaneous.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

no it doesn't. You may find that using the finger print is easier than 
the

pass code each time.

On 9/21/15, dacia.l...@gmail.com <dacia.l...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
When I upgraded to I OS 9 yesterday, it made me create a passcode. I
chose not to do the fingerprint, as that seems more complicated to me.
However, now anytime I want to do anything, I have to enter the
passcode. Does that include answering phone calls? I hope not, as that
is very annoying, and takes a little bit of time to enter the
passcode, and by the time you enter it, the call will be ended.
Thank you,
Dacia
PS, if I want to disable the passcode, what I go into settings, and
touch ID, then do something from there?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Problem with App store

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Think there have been some problems with some apps being removed from Store 
(over here in the UK anyway) because they were struck by a virus.  It's, 
apparently, more of the Chinese ones ...

Carol P

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  Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:37 PM
  Subject: Problem with App store


  Hi,

   

  I cannot update apps from the App Store.  When in the Updates section of the 
App Store, I double-tap the update button for a particular app.  The button 
then announces “connecting”.  It does not get past that point.  I have closed 
all apps in the app switcher and shut off my phone and get the same result.  
This has been going on for over a week.

   

  Please help!

   

  Thanks.


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SOLVED MY KEYBOARD PROBLEM - AT LEAST FOR NOW!

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Hi all,

I want to report that I have managed to solve the keyboard problem (at least 
with the Apple keyboard and, well, for the moment) and explain something which 
may help others.

When I'd upgraded, I found the keyboard was still paired so didn't re-pair it.  
However, it wouldn't write into text boxes but would navigate around the screen.

I decided it was worth forgetting the pairing and starting over again - so I 
did the usual routine, including clearing the app switcher then booting up 
after forgetting the pairing as precautions, then started again.  This time it 
all worked!

Based on the longstanding history with this keyboard and Version 8 of the 
software, I am not yet confident to say that it is going to continue ... but 
would suggest it really is worth a go if anyone's keyboard isn't working!

I am going to re-pair all the keyboards (including the Braille ones) before 
using them, although they are currently showing, just as my Apple keyboard was 
before re-pairing.

Has anyone else done this and got theirs working and/or, has anyone followed 
these procedures and still not got their keyboard working?

Carol P

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Re: question about downgrading if I upgrade to IOS 9?

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Hi Dacia,

The time is very short and you may have missed it by now.  I determined to 
go up to 9 and stay there, bearing in mind all the bugs that have been 
talked about, because I'm finding ways around and don't have a vital 
necessity to use the iPhone when out and about, which can fail, apparently.


Take your choice!  

Carol P
- Original Message - 
From: "Dacia Cole" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 10:43 PM
Subject: question about downgrading if I upgrade to IOS 9?



Hi,

If I upgrade to IOS 9.0.  How do I downgrade and how long after can I
do it if I don't like IOS 9?

thanks,

Dacia

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iOS9 and Fantastical

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Hi all,

If anyone has upgraded to iOS 9 and uses Fantastical, can you confirm whether 
it's working for you when you go to create a new event?  I can select new event 
and go to write it in, but then I can't read the screen at all so can't write 
it in the edit box.  However, if I add the event using another diary, I can 
read and edit that event in Fantastical.

I'd love to know of others' experiences with this and if anyone has an idea 
what's going on?

Carol P

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Re: My husbands for S

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I didn't find that button on my 4S for ages either and, in the end, it was a 
sort of fluke.  I'm not even sure what I did so couldn't really practice 
again.


I do remember flicking, maybe left or right, once I'd got to the end of the 
last page of the "Learn more" document, but I'm afraid I can't be more 
precise than that.


I hope you get there yourself or can find some sighted help.  This is 
something else that Apple should be helping us with, at least with a clue as 
to what to do to get to the install.


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:37 AM
Subject: Re: My husbands for S


On my iPhone 5, I had to explore by touch to find the download button. I
couldn't get to it by flicking left or right. On my iPhone 4S, I don't
find a download and install button even by just exploring. All I see is
a learn more button. My plan is to install with iTunes from my PC and
see what happens.

On 09/18/2015 07:13 PM, leliastr...@gmail.com wrote:
All, my husband has an iPhone for S, with the latest 8.4 update. When he 
goes to update to I OS 9, it is already downloaded, but he cannot install 
it, I wonder if anyone else has had this problem and what you did about 
it. Thank you in advance so basically he is not able to update to I OS 9 
because there is not an install button, it is already downloaded but there 
is no install. Thank you


Lelia

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Re: Slow speech with voices other than Alex

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My English speech is definitely faster than before.

Carol P

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To: ; 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:00 AM
Subject: Slow speech with voices other than Alex


I just upgraded the iPad to iOS 9 and reinstalled the Russian voice. I also 
installed the mail Siri enhanced voice. Experimenting around, it would seem 
that both of these voices are speaking much more slowly than they should 
based on the speech rate that is set invoice over interestingly enough, 
under iOS 8 and I believe seven as well, the four invoices, such as the 
Russian one, would speak at a much faster rate than the default would 
warrant, based on the English speech. It seems like they've over corrected. 
Now, if I want a decent Russian speech rate, I have to up the speed to more 
than I would have for English, which is absurd, since I am far from a native 
speaker of Russian.

Mary

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Re: Another Cool Thing About iOS 9

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Chris,

You're right here, but I tried this yesterday in Settings and got an 
interesting thing.  It brought up the Braille settings for the BrailleTouch 
app, which I still have in my 4S and use it occasionally.


Carol P

- Original Message - 
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To: "Viphone" 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Another Cool Thing About iOS 9


It's awesome! First seen in developer beta 1. The only caveat is, for now, 
you cannot search beyond a certain level. So, for example, searching for 
VoiceOver would be no problem, but searching for Braille just does not work 
at this time.

On 19 Sep 2015, at 06:07, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi guys. I don't know if anyone noticed this yet, but in settings you can 
now do a search for the specific setting you want to modify. For example, 
if you wanted to modify something in Voiceover, you could just type in 
Voiceover in the edit field and it'll take you right there if you double 
tap the search result. This beats a lot of time going to general, 
accessibility, and finding Voiceover that way. To find the search edit 
box, find the settings heading and flick right once. Then double tap and 
you can enter your search result.


Shawn
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ANOTHER USEFUL FEATURE - AT LAST - ACCESS TO iCLOUD DRIVE!

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I've just discovered that you can now view your iCloud drive in iOS 9 and can 
have it put on your Home screen if you wish.

It all appears to work for me, with a 4S and I was able to find a couple of 
files that could be deleted.  You do get a warning that deleting such files 
will remove them from each item you use with iCloud.  That is fine with me!  


Incidentally, I didn't have room on my Home screen, so it very kindly put it on 
the second page for me, which equally suits me.

This is another plus for me!

Carol P

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Re: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or 3-D touch

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Sieghard,

I find it much easier to get off dirt from the screen protector than the 
glass and also find (don't know why) that the protector doesn't pick up so 
many little marks.


Hope that answers your question, without being able to explain why this 
appears to be so to me.


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:55 AM
Subject: RE: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or 3-D 
touch



Just out of curiocity, why is it better to get dirt and such on the 
screenprotector than on the glass itself? You still have to clean it off 
eventually and youreally don't have to worry that much about doing anything 
to the screen. I usually use the fluid and cloth of my LCD screen cleaning 
kit, but if I happen to be in the kitchen and the screen gets some dirt or 
grease on it, I just rub it with a damp dish cloth and then dry it with a 
dish towel or paper towel. No cloth or towel you are likely to use will 
scratch the screen of an iPhone and as long as whatever  you use isn't 
dripping water it's OK.



Regards,
Sieghard
.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or 3-D 
touch


Well, I'll be thinking about getting one.  I found that sometimes, even 
though I try always to have clean hands, I'd get bits of dirt/dust on the 
screen which just got worse until I rubbed it gently away with an antistatic 
cloth.


I therefore went back to using a screen protector with my 4S and found it 
worthwhile.


Carol P

- Original Message -
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or 3-D 
touch



Well, Sieghard, I think you do have a point. On my for S, I never had a 
screen protector. When I got the five as, it was from the store, and the guy 
talk to both me and my husband into getting one. In his case, it paid off, 
as he cracked his screen protector, but his screen stayed in one piece.

Maybe I'll just do without, rather then go by habit.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Mary,

I guess this might be a situation where you just have to try, but you
may also want to consider not using a screen protector especially if
you put the phone iin a case with a bit of a lip which prevents the
glass from touching the floor should it fall. Apple has also stated
that they are using new glass which is even tougher than what they
have been using so far and personally I just don't find screen protectors 
necessary.



Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or
3-D touch

I read an article about this just yesterday. On The Verge or MacWorld
or one of those site.
I can't recall the exact measurement of thickness outlined for
compatibility, but the jist was that most screen protectors already on
the market should work with the new S series. There were two other
requirements mentioned, and again, no problems were expected.
I'm sure someone can look up that specific article or information easy
enough.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or
3-D touch

Mary that's a great question. I think I will test that one before I
buy or wait for someone else to report.


On 9/18/15, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
Hi Mary, not the glass ones specifically, but apple says 3D touch
will work if you use a screen protector.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org


On 19/09/2015, at 3:45 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi all,
I am, like probably many others of you, eagerly awaiting the arrival
of my new iPhone from T-Mobile. In the past, I have used a tempered
glass screen protector on my iPhone 5S, and it has worked very well.
Now, with the advent of this new touch thing, I wonder about whether
or not that will work with such a protector on the phone. This glass
is certainly thicker than the usual film that people by. Has anybody
seen anything from Apple or other authoritative source regarding the
utility of these glass screen protectors on the new phones?
Mary

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Re: New unwanted dictation behavior

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I haven't noticed that one yet with my 4S, but Siri is certainly slower in 
responding to my wanting to dictate.


I've also asked a couple of questions and, as before, she's just found 
something on the web for me to see, which is not really what I appreciate 
when in a hurry;  so I'm not madly imnpressed with the Siri upgrade so far.


Oh, in addition, when I didn't dictate (having to stop just after I'd 
pressed the button) she said, "I didn't get that;  I do hope we can still be 
friends", I think those were her words.


Incidentally, I did the same as you, because I don't *have* to do everything 
with my 4S and am soon to get my 6S, so, whilst I've already submitted a 
report about the keyboard not working in edit boxes, I have to say that the 
4S is certainly more responsive than I've known it for a while now..  ... 
That's got to be positive!


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 10:47 PM
Subject: New unwanted dictation behavior


I have read that iOS 9 doesn't weigh in with the annoying double repetition 
when you do dictation. I am all in favor of that.
I upgraded my for S to iOS 9. It's old and slow, so I figured if it went 
down, it would not be a big loss. So I just tried dictating a comment into 
the Facebook post I wanted to make using my for S. And Siri started reading 
back to me what I was saying before I was through. Not only was this 
disconcerting, it screwed up what got put into my note. Is there anyway to 
shut that off? I want it to tell me what I said, but I want it to wait till 
I'm through. Is this just a problem because I'm using an old phone that 
barely made the cut for iOS 9? Or is this a new so-called feature? How many 
people do you know who like to hear back what they're saying while they're 
still saying it? That is a skill that interpreters half. I'm not an 
interpreter. Smile.

Mary

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Re: What happened to the apps list in iTunes 12.2.0.145?

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Neal,

I think Ari's original point was that he can't actually work out which apps 
are which and check/uncheck accordingly.  Can you help with that one? 



We may all need to know ...

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 5:33 AM
Subject: RE: What happened to the apps list in iTunes 12.2.0.145?


Actualy, this was changed in the previous update. I talked with Apple 
Support several weeks ago and was told that this is just how it is now. Not 
quite as easy to deal with, but hey, change happens.


Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What happened to the apps list in iTunes 12.2.0.145?

I'll check out the latest iTunes update, but unless it was fixed/changed in 
this latest update what Ariana describes is exactly what I am getting.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What happened to the apps list in iTunes 12.2.0.145?

Hello Arianna,

Based on your use of the Tab key, I am assuming that you are using iTunes 
for Windows.


First, I suggest that you install the latest version of iTunes which is 
12.3.


Second, I recommend that, before attaching your device, that you restart 
both your computer and your iOS device.


Third, I can tell you that the device's list of apps are being displayed as 
usual.  That is, upon attaching your iOS device, and navigating to the apps 
area as described in your original post, all of the apps in your iTunes 
Library should be displayed.


Mark
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Arianna Sepulveda

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What happened to the apps list in iTunes 12.2.0.145?

Update:
This is even weirder. So, I go to the treeview and select apps. I tab, and 
notice just before I get to the first app name, followed by the size, and 
then by the remove button, that there's a table list view thing that I 
hadn't noticed before. I'm thinking, hey, great! It's still there, and I 
just missed it. To my complete surprise, it didn't list the app names at 
all, just their size, and said either remove or install. I assume hitting 
space on these will tell iTunes to install or remove the app? They weren't 
checkboxes in the list, just lines, so I'm not sure. Anyhow, that's not 
really the problem--well, it could be a problem, but I don't know yet--the 
real problem is that I no longer know what app I'm on in the list.



Thanks,
Ari

On 9/18/15, Arianna Sepulveda  wrote:

As the subject line says, I'm running iTunes 12.2.0.145. Before, when
I plugged in my iPhone, I tabbed to the iPhone button, (as you now
have to do in iTunes 12) and pressed it. I then tabbed to the treeview
and selected the "Apps" option. After that, I tabbed some, expecting
to find the list of apps, with each item being a checkbox that, if
checked, would tell iTunes to put the app on my iPhone, and if
unchecked, would tell iTunes to remove the app from my iPhone. This
behavior is no longer what happens. Instead, I get the app name, then
the app's size, then a remove button, and so on; This continues for a
while, but I can no longer see the entire list of apps in my iTunes
library this way. Eventually, things switch (if I tab far enough) to
showing me pages or something like that. I'm not all that sure of the
specifics, but I'm sure I started hearing stuff about pages and home
screens and what-not.

What the heck is going on? Is this now the new way iTunes does things?
Did this get put back to the usual list in iTunes 12.3? I'm so
confused, to say nothing of frustrated. It seems that with each new
version of iTunes, we have to do more and more tabbing to just get to
the things we want in iTunes.


Thanks,
Ari



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Re: Another Cool Thing About iOS 9

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Yes, I've used it and like it.

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 

To: 
Cc: ; 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:07 AM
Subject: Another Cool Thing About iOS 9


Hi guys. I don't know if anyone noticed this yet, but in settings you can 
now do a search for the specific setting you want to modify. For example, if 
you wanted to modify something in Voiceover, you could just type in 
Voiceover in the edit field and it'll take you right there if you double tap 
the search result. This beats a lot of time going to general, accessibility, 
and finding Voiceover that way. To find the search edit box, find the 
settings heading and flick right once. Then double tap and you can enter 
your search result.


Shawn
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Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

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We haven't got the News app either in the UK, unless we set language to US.  I 
don't want to do that so will do without as there are plenty of other sources 
for the news for the moment.

Carol P

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  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
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  Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 8:04 AM
  Subject: RE: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple


  Hi Ketan,

   

  You are not alone, the News app isn’t even available in Canada and we are 
right next door to The mighty United States of Apple.

  Furthermore, Apple for some reason which of course can’t have anything at all 
to do with money, decided that Canadian carriers should charge their customers 
77% more for an iPhone on contract than in the States. The American Dollar 
currently is worth about 35% more than the Canadian Dollar, i.e. it takes 1.35 
canadian Dollars to buy one American Dollar. For example, an iPhone 6S 64 Gb, 
if I interpret this correctly, costs $299 on contract in the States. Based on 
the exchange rate, said phone should cost approx. $400 or just over here in 
Canada. However, in order to get it Canadians have to plunk down $530 for the 
phone with 2-year contract.

  Interestingly enough, if I buy a phone outright from Apple, the price is very 
close to the US price by the time I factor in the normal exchange.

  It is definitely interesting how often features which Apple touts as 
extremely awesome are also extremely limited in their availability.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ketan Kothari
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 11:51 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mobile.accessin...@accessindia.org.in
  Subject: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

   

  Dear friends,

   

  On 16th of Sept. IOS 9 got launched and one of the biggest features that was 
being touted was the News app.  I am sad to report that this app (which should 
not cost anything extra to Apple or have any other legal issues) is not 
available in India.  I was looking forward to it.  I am sure India is also one 
of the markets that Apple is viewing as its primary market and neither Apple 
maps nor apps like the News apps are made available to Indian consumers.  
Having said this, it is to be remembered that Apple does not charge nothing 
less than the global price of Iphone or Ipad from its Indian consumers.  I feel 
that this is an important issue and should be conveyed to Apple through its 
website as well as social media.  

   

  With best wishes,

   

  Ketan

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Re: Upgrading to Ios9 with the iPhone 6

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If you use a bluetooth keyboard and depend on it for regular input, I'd steer 
clear.  I haven't been able to get mine to work reliably yet.  However, I have 
a couple more things to try over the weekend.  One is that, although it seemed 
to still be paired, I might just abandon that pairing and try again from 
scratch, just in case it helps.

Anyway, I know various people think this keyboard issue is quite crucial, as is 
the fact that some people can't always receive phonecalls;  so think before you 
do it ...

I took the choice to upgrade, because I don't have to use my phone exclusively 
as I have alternatives should I really need.

Hope this helps.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:24 PM
  Subject: Upgrading to Ios9 with the iPhone 6


  Hi: I gather from reviewing all the posts on this list that upgrading to Ios9 
won't create any major issues for me. I'm not as sophisticated as many of you 
on the list and basically use English speech email, calendar, texting, camfind, 
knfb reader and the other basic apps on the phone. 

  Any comments would be appreciated.

  Thanks. 

  John Fioravanti, .   


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Re: Power saving mode

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Anyone know if, once put Power Saving Mode on, you then have to manually 
turn it off once you charge the unit, or does that happen automatically?


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: Power saving mode


Apple is calling this "Low Power Mode" and hence I assume Apple has meant 
for this to be used once you get your 20% low battery warning and you want 
to get the most out of your remaining battery life.
When the low battery warning appears, the option to turn on low power mode 
is on the screen.
You can, however, manually enable it very quickly and easily by telling 
SIRI "Turn on Power Saving Mode".
This will display the "Low Power Mode" explanation screen and you can at 
that point tap cancel to not turn it on or tap continue and low power mode 
will be turned on.
OK, so I now just tried this again and this time it just turned it on 
without showing me that screen, but either way, you can turn it on and off 
with SIRI. I do agree, though, that this would be not a bad additional 
option to have in control centre.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Traci Duncan

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Power saving mode

Where is a good place to suggest things to Apple?

I want to know, why in the world did they not put this power saving option 
in control center?  That would make it easily accessible to toggle on/off.


Would this be an appropriate thing to do via feedback assistant for public 
beta?


Thanks,
Traci

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Re: iCloud backup?

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I had the same problem and think mine may have started before the upgrade as 
my iCloud backup kept disappearing from availability, or showing at all.


I could only think that I'd reset my WiFi connections but hadn't got round 
to re-writing my original phone name back into the About section.  This 
brought about some interesting times ...  I've now put the name back, 
hopefully exactly as it was before, and note that a backup too iCloud took 
place this morning.


If anyone can confirm I've done the right thing and explain the consequences 
of not doing so, this would be useful information.


Thanks.

I don't know if this sorts your problem, but perhaps it might.  I hope, 
anyway, that you find a solution.


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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:17 PM
Subject: iCloud backup?


Bizarre! Just now I noticed that the amount of iCloud storage i have used 
had suddenly dropped massively. I checked on my iPhone 5s and on my iPad Air 
and in settings, even though iCloud backup is turned on, each device claimed 
it had not been backed up for months - but I know this is untrue. My partner 
checked her iPhone 6 Plus and her iPad Air and she had exactly the same 
issue - her iPad even claimed it had never been backed up - which we both 
know is untrue. Anyone else noticing this? Could it be caused by Apple 
increasing our iCloud storage quota to 50GB and in the process wiping out 
existing backups? Or iOS 9?

Thanks
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Re: Invoking caps lock with IOS9 VoiceOver

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Thanks.  Will have to practise.  ...  I will.

Would much prefer the old way!  Anyone else feel the same?

Carol P

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  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 6:18 PM
  Subject: RE: Invoking caps lock with IOS9 VoiceOver


  Find the shift key with one finger, keep it there and double tap anywhere 
with a second finger.

   

   

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  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:30 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Invoking caps lock with IOS9 VoiceOver

   

  I've never been able to do this gesture.  Please, someone, refresh me about 
how to do it!  

   

  Looks like I've just got to now!  

   

  Carol P

   

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Subject: RE: Invoking caps lock with IOS9 VoiceOver

 

Do you do a split double tap to reverse that?

 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 7:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Invoking caps lock with IOS9 VoiceOver

Thanks Shai. Sorry I should have read the other posts in this thread first. 
Split double tap appears to do the trick here.
Chris

At 07:04 PM 9/17/2015, you wrote:



  Hi Chris,
  Yes it is; I misspoke. Using touch typing, I did try to triple tap and
  VoiceOver indicates that shift is selected; however, this only
  capitalizes a single letter.
  At the present time, the only means I have found to invoke the caps
  lock is to find the shift and press it once then find actions on the
  roter and flick up to capslock and double tap it. To toggle it off,
  tap and let go of shift.


  On 9/17/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
  > I thought it was always triple tap on Shift for turning caps lock on?
  >
  > At 01:27 PM 9/17/2015, you wrote:
  >>
  >> Hi,
  >> I am using an iPhone with IOS9. When I double tap the shift key on the
  >> touch screen to invoke all caps I am noticing that VoiceOver will
  >> state that the shift key is selected; however, the cap only occurs for
  >> one letter and not subsequent ones. Is this a bug in IOS9 or is there
  >> something that I am doing wrong? Double tapping the shift key to
  >> invoke the caps lock worked in IOS8.
  >> Thank you in advance for any responses
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Re: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or 3-D touch

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Well, I'll be thinking about getting one.  I found that sometimes, even 
though I try always to have clean hands, I'd get bits of dirt/dust on the 
screen which just got worse until I rubbed it gently away with an antistatic 
cloth.


I therefore went back to using a screen protector with my 4S and found it 
worthwhile.


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or 3-D 
touch



Well, Sieghard, I think you do have a point. On my for S, I never had a 
screen protector. When I got the five as, it was from the store, and the guy 
talk to both me and my husband into getting one. In his case, it paid off, 
as he cracked his screen protector, but his screen stayed in one piece. 
Maybe I'll just do without, rather then go by habit.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Mary,

I guess this might be a situation where you just have to try, but you may 
also want to consider not using a screen protector especially if you put 
the phone iin a case with a bit of a lip which prevents the glass from 
touching the floor should it fall. Apple has also stated that they are 
using new glass which is even tougher than what they have been using so 
far and personally I just don't find screen protectors necessary.



Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or 3-D 
touch


I read an article about this just yesterday. On The Verge or MacWorld or 
one of those site.
I can't recall the exact measurement of thickness outlined for 
compatibility, but the jist was that most screen protectors already on the 
market should work with the new S series. There were two other 
requirements mentioned, and again, no problems were expected.
I'm sure someone can look up that specific article or information easy 
enough.


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Of John Diakogeorgiou

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen protector for your new iPhone with force touch or 3-D 
touch


Mary that's a great question. I think I will test that one before I
buy or wait for someone else to report.


On 9/18/15, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
Hi Mary, not the glass ones specifically, but apple says 3D touch will 
work

if you use a screen protector.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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On 19/09/2015, at 3:45 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi all,
I am, like probably many others of you, eagerly awaiting the arrival of 
my
new iPhone from T-Mobile. In the past, I have used a tempered glass 
screen

protector on my iPhone 5S, and it has worked very well. Now, with the
advent of this new touch thing, I wonder about whether or not that will
work with such a protector on the phone. This glass is certainly thicker
than the usual film that people by. Has anybody seen anything from Apple
or other authoritative source regarding the utility of these glass 
screen

protectors on the new phones?
Mary

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Re: Inability to type with bluetooth keyboard in iOS9?

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Hi Chris,

I decided to update my 4S, knowing the pitfalls, because I wanted to get in on 
the "bugs" and try to force some kind of immediate, total effort on the 
Accessability Team to fix these keyboard issues, and any others I find!

My Apple keyboard is behaving like yours, just not writing in edit boxes.  I 
did get it to write once when I turned off Voice-Over but, the second time I 
tried, it didn't work again.

When I wrote to Accessability, I stressed that it's vital for some visually 
impaired people to use a keyboard for all but short items, and some I know use 
it all the time.

As the problems go back to iOS8 for keyboards and Voice-over, there's got to be 
a solution found!

Carol P

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  From: Chris Smart 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 3:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Inability to type with bluetooth keyboard in iOS9?


  Nope. I've tried those two things, rebooting my phone, etc. no luck.

  At 04:19 PM 9/17/2015, you wrote:

One person on Twitter suggested that re-pairing the keyboard, or turning it 
off and back on a few times, fixed the problem. Have either of you found that 
to be the case?

  On Sep 17, 2015, at 16:10, Chris Smart  wrote:

  well, in Mail, Messages, FB Messenger, etc. I simply cannot type into 
edit fields with my Logitech Keys-to-Go bluetooth keyboard.  I'm not sure what 
else I can add other than this particular bug affects me. I'm using a 6+ 
purchased in December.

  At 03:50 PM 9/17/2015, you wrote:

Hi all,
I'm curious about iOS9's bug that prevents typing with bluetooth 
keyboards for some users. I didn't see this in my own testing, though I don't 
really use a bluetooth keyboard often. I didn't hear about anyone else running 
into this one either, and I talked to several testers during the beta cycle. 
I'm not doubting it happens, I just want to try to figure out why it happens. 
I'm going to be asked by some TVIs and other people whether they should upgrade 
the devices of their students and clients, and I am not sure what to tell them 
about this bug. Any information you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks.

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I've never been able to do this gesture.  Please, someone, refresh me about how 
to do it!  

Looks like I've just got to now!  

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  Subject: RE: Invoking caps lock with IOS9 VoiceOver


  Do you do a split double tap to reverse that?



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  Thanks Shai. Sorry I should have read the other posts in this thread first. 
Split double tap appears to do the trick here.
  Chris

  At 07:04 PM 9/17/2015, you wrote:

Hi Chris,
Yes it is; I misspoke. Using touch typing, I did try to triple tap and
VoiceOver indicates that shift is selected; however, this only
capitalizes a single letter.
At the present time, the only means I have found to invoke the caps
lock is to find the shift and press it once then find actions on the
roter and flick up to capslock and double tap it. To toggle it off,
tap and let go of shift.


On 9/17/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
> I thought it was always triple tap on Shift for turning caps lock on?
>
> At 01:27 PM 9/17/2015, you wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> I am using an iPhone with IOS9. When I double tap the shift key on the
>> touch screen to invoke all caps I am noticing that VoiceOver will
>> state that the shift key is selected; however, the cap only occurs for
>> one letter and not subsequent ones. Is this a bug in IOS9 or is there
>> something that I am doing wrong? Double tapping the shift key to
>> invoke the caps lock worked in IOS8.
>> Thank you in advance for any responses
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Re: Update Question

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I did - and thoroughly and more than once!  

I'll try again some other time ...

I've always managed to find it before ... so I'm guessing that, for some 
reason, it wasn't showing.


Carol P

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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: Update Question



you have to feel around the screen for it. swiping doesn't work.

Dave.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update Question

I couldn't find a download and install button either, no matter what I 
did.


I can only hope that it was because of a jam and that things will resolve
tomorrow, or whenever I decide now to upgrade.

Perhaps someone can confirm where I should find that button?

I even looked at the list of changes thoroughly and went to the end of it,
in case the button was hidden there!  I also double tapped on IOS9, double
tapped and held and hunted everywhere for a download button but found 
none!



In view of the posts on the various bugs one may encounter, I might just
wait a while longer ...

Not quite sure though on that one!

Carol P

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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Update Question



Hi,

There doesn't seem to be a download and install button at least that 
VoiceOver is reading.  I only have my phone, so updating through iTunes 
isn't possible.


Desi




Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:10 PM, christopher hallsworth 
<challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:


Try touching the "download and install" button. Or try updating via 
iTunes.

Chris
On 16 Sep 2015, at 20:40, Destene Noller <destene.nol...@icloud.com> 
wrote:


Hi Everyone,

My husband just finished updating his iPad and now is updating his 
phone.  Each time I go into Settings under Software Update, iOS 9 comes 
up, but it says it is dimmed.  Is this simply because the servers are 
too busy?  Thanks!


Desi

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OK, so how does it work?

Carol P

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  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:34 AM
  Subject: Re: Submitting App Crash Reports


  Yes! Text selection is awesome! I smiled from ear to ear when I saw that all 
the way back to the first developer beta of iOS 9. Try it folks, you will 
wonder how you ever lived without it. Smile!
  Chris

On 17 Sep 2015, at 08:01, Chris Smart  wrote:


  Hi.

I tried adding Edit to the roter, doing a pinch gesture, etc. but no luck. 
When viewing a crash report I was not seeing Edit in the roter there.

However, thanks to the new Text Selection feature in iOS 9, I had no 
trouble selecting all, copying, pasting into an email. So, I advise folks to go 
to Voiceover Settings > Roter and add text selection. It's very handy!

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Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs

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That bluetooth keyboard problem stems back into IOS8.  It drove me mad till I 
discovered you could reload Voice-Over.  Now it's even worse, by sounds of 
things.  ...

Yes, everyone, tell Apple this isn't good enough for those of us not good at 
typing on the phone!

I will do likewise as soon as I experience the problem once I've downloaded.
Carol P

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  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:44 PM
  Subject: Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs


  Hi 


  Please can folk make sure they report these bugs to Apple, especially the 
bluetooth keyboard one! Whilst I do occasionally use the touch screen, 99.9% of 
the time I use my bluetooth keyboard for everything. I've reported it to Apple 
accessibility, but would strongly encourage everyone else to do the same, 
otherwise it'll never get fixed. 


  Eleanor 

  Sent from my iPad

  On 17 Sep 2015, at 12:10, Devin Prater  wrote:


My biggest bug is the bluetooth keyboard problem. I know, I have, and love, 
my Varioultra, but I have a friend that exclusively uses a keyboard, and it hit 
her hard. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:


  Hi Neal. My understanding is that if you are affected, it will also 
happen if you have your phone on silent. If you just have your phone unmuted 
and on speaker, it appears to be OK as far as I know.

  Jonathan Mosen
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On 17/09/2015, at 9:38 AM, Neal Ewers  wrote:


Jonathan. Is this phone problem a problem only when using something 
connected to the phone such as ear buds or a bluetooth device? Or, does it also 
effect phone calls if you are using none of these devices and only using the 
microphone and speaker in the phone?

Thanks.

Neal


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Subject: My top iOS 9 Bugs

Hi everyone, now that the NDA is lifted, here are some things I think 
you might like to be aware of in iOS 9.
I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than 
its predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your device 
and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you might like 
to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a bug fix 
release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following iOS 9's 
release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should consider the 
upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if anything below 
concerns you.
1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant 
accessibility bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to the 
number of people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at present, 
even after extensive testing with a range of people owning different devices, I 
have no information about why it affects some users, but not others. It is not 
device specific, for example it is happening to me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but I 
know iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem isn't so severe. Nor does it seem to 
be affected by any setting. If you're lucky, it won't happen to you, but the 
only way I am aware of to determine this is to upgrade.
This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected 
to the headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. You 
can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if you 
press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the screen, 
you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but the entire 
phone has as well.
If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but 
instead opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or 
review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked up.
The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be 
able to answer a call.
Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when 
their phone is set to silent.
If 

Re: Inability to type with bluetooth keyboard in iOS9?

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

I think it's so bad because I for one reported keyboard issues in IOS8 a number 
of times, which went largely unsolved, apart from being able to take out 
Voice-Over and all would be OK when you restarted it.

I had particular problems using Apple's own keyboarde too!  

Carol P

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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Inability to type with bluetooth keyboard in iOS9?


  I run a private email list for registered developers who test iOS, and it was 
quite common there. It was also reported extensively. It does trouble me that 
issues so critical were extensively reported, but not addressed before release. 
But this is the third year things like this have happened now, so I guess it is 
what it is.

  Jonathan Mosen
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On 18/09/2015, at 7:50 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:


Hi all,
I'm curious about iOS9's bug that prevents typing with bluetooth keyboards 
for some users. I didn't see this in my own testing, though I don't really use 
a bluetooth keyboard often. I didn't hear about anyone else running into this 
one either, and I talked to several testers during the beta cycle. I'm not 
doubting it happens, I just want to try to figure out why it happens. I'm going 
to be asked by some TVIs and other people whether they should upgrade the 
devices of their students and clients, and I am not sure what to tell them 
about this bug. Any information you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: movingpps with braille display

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This will be a useful one, when I can try it 

Anyone know if there are other additional (or changed) commands when using a 
Braille display?


Is there an up-to-date list anywhere?

Carol P

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Subject: Re: movingpps with braille display


3-6-7-8 chord, that is space with dots 3-6-7-8.

On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:28, Tim Emmons  wrote:

What is that braille command. I’ve forgotten and was wondering if someone 
remembered it. Thanks.

On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

Hi. This is one thing that was finally added to iOS in iOS 9, you can
now move apps with a refreshable Braille display. How well this works
I do not know since I haven't tried moving anything yet, but there is
a Braille command to activate the edit mode and move apps, just like
the double tap and hold gesture for VoiceOver.

Wayne

On 9/17/15, Stephanie  wrote:

Hi all,
I'm wondering if it's not possible to move apps with the braille 
display?

Thanks,
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Re: Submitting App Crash Reports

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That sounds a good addition and long awaited, especially for VI's.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
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  To: Viphone 
  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Submitting App Crash Reports


  Focus on any text field or a web page in any HTML view such as those in 
Safari. Using the rotor, find "text selection". If it's not there, you need to 
select it by going to Settings > general > accessibility > VoiceOver > rotor 
and double tap "text selection". Anyway, flick up or down to choose from 
"character selection", "word selection", "line selection", "page selection" and 
"select all". Once the desired option is set, swipe with one finger to the 
right to start selecting, swipe left with one finger to deselect. Once text is 
selected, you can then do the usual things such as copy or even get the 
definition of the selected text. Enjoy!
  Chris

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<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


OK, so how does it work?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
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  To: Viphone
  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:34 AM
  Subject: Re: Submitting App Crash Reports


  Yes! Text selection is awesome! I smiled from ear to ear when I saw that 
all the way back to the first developer beta of iOS 9. Try it folks, you will 
wonder how you ever lived without it. Smile!
  Chris

On 17 Sep 2015, at 08:01, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:


  Hi.

I tried adding Edit to the roter, doing a pinch gesture, etc. but no 
luck. When viewing a crash report I was not seeing Edit in the roter there.

However, thanks to the new Text Selection feature in iOS 9, I had no 
trouble selecting all, copying, pasting into an email. So, I advise folks to go 
to Voiceover Settings > Roter and add text selection. It's very handy!

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Re: Inability to type with bluetooth keyboard in iOS9?

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Suppose you could try leaving Voice-Over off and type, then turn it on to 
read if you wish.


Let us know if that works.  It's not ideal, but some of us could manage it 
OK if pushed ...


Carol P

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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Inability to type with bluetooth keyboard in iOS9?


Hi Alex

I'm not going to say whether you should advise people to upgrade or not. 
However, the bluetooth keyboard bug is quite significant to those it happens 
to, as it just won't speak or let you type text when you're in any sort of 
text edit field. It just freezes and VO stops talking. The only way you can 
resolve it is to turn the bluetooth keyboard off and make do with the 
on-screen keyboard. But obviously this is by no means ideal when you're 
trying to write long documents or e-mails etc. I'm sure others will have 
their opinions too.


Eleanor

Sent from my iPad


On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:50, Alex Hall  wrote:

Hi all,
I'm curious about iOS9's bug that prevents typing with bluetooth keyboards 
for some users. I didn't see this in my own testing, though I don't really 
use a bluetooth keyboard often. I didn't hear about anyone else running 
into this one either, and I talked to several testers during the beta 
cycle. I'm not doubting it happens, I just want to try to figure out why 
it happens. I'm going to be asked by some TVIs and other people whether 
they should upgrade the devices of their students and clients, and I am 
not sure what to tell them about this bug. Any information you can provide 
would be appreciated. Thanks.


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Re: movingpps with braille display

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These are very much appreciated, Chris.

I won't keep saying so though to block up the list but please keep sending 
any you come across or know.


Carol P

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Subject: Re: movingpps with braille display


Here is another one. Space with dots 1-5-6, simulate two finger double tap 
to answer/hang up a call, play/pause audio etc.

Chris
On 17 Sep 2015, at 21:59, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
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This will be a useful one, when I can try it 

Anyone know if there are other additional (or changed) commands when using 
a Braille display?


Is there an up-to-date list anywhere?

Carol P

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Subject: Re: movingpps with braille display


3-6-7-8 chord, that is space with dots 3-6-7-8.

On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:28, Tim Emmons <temmo...@gmail.com> wrote:

What is that braille command. I’ve forgotten and was wondering if someone 
remembered it. Thanks.

On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi. This is one thing that was finally added to iOS in iOS 9, you can
now move apps with a refreshable Braille display. How well this works
I do not know since I haven't tried moving anything yet, but there is
a Braille command to activate the edit mode and move apps, just like
the double tap and hold gesture for VoiceOver.

Wayne

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Hi all,
I'm wondering if it's not possible to move apps with the braille 
display?

Thanks,
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Re: Turning on voiceover on a new iPhone using iTunes

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So, what else does that backup store/restore?  What about music?

Carol P

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If you restore from an encrypted backup that was done with Voiceover enabled 
on the old phone it will also be enabled on your new phone. It is just a 
setting which is part of the backup.


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Of Larry Lumpkin

Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 5:25 PM
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No it's not true.  I think I just did it on a dead phone a few weeks ago.


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Subject: Turning on voiceover on a new iPhone using iTunes

Wayback in the dark ages, technologically speaking, when you got a new 
iPhone, if you wanted to turn on voiceover, you would connect the phone to 
the computer running iTunes and do it there. I haven't done that in a long 
time, and I understood from  somewhere that this capability is actually 
absent now Is that true? I ask because I intend to do a full encrypted 
backup of my phone to my mac running on iTunes prior to getting my new 
phone. Then you're supposed to immediately connect the phone to The computer 
running iTunes and commence the set up there using your computer. That 
should be easy enough. But at the end, do you turn voiceover on in iTunes? 
Or do you take the phone off and tell Siri to turn it on and hope you're in 
the right place? Just curious.

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Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

OK, got it.

Thanks for all help received on this.

Hopefully I now have enough and can't wait for the day ...

Carol P

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Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE



Actually no. You only need a password if you use a password to turn on
your phone. If not, you can just choose encrypted update in ITunes.

On 9/15/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Am I correct that this has to be a unique password and not one you've 
used

for your account or Apple mail?

Carol P

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If you use ITunes it will ask you for yur password. Just type it on the
phone.

On 9/15/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I've never done an encripted backup before.  Can anyone run through the
steps, please?  Specifically, what do I need to check, or don't I!

Carol P

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Mary doing this will also get your music back.

On 9/15/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Sounds a good plan, Mary.

Think I'll do some house cleaning on this 4S also because I don't 
want

all
the apps I have at present, so let's tidy them now!  

Carol P

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  Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


  E hi Carol,
  What I plan to do is to get my old phone exactly how I want it with
the
folders and apps I want on my new phone. Then I will make an 
encrypted

backup using iTunes. Then, when I get a new phone, I will set that up
using
the encrypted backup from iTunes. This will not do anything for the
music

I
don't think. But it should give me all of my apps and data that are
backed
up and keep my folder structure. So I hope anyway.
  Mary

  Sent from my iPad

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VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Don't mind that, but there would be a lot to do, so thanks for
that
one;
 I'll avoid that route.

I really don't want to download all apps though, so what do I do?

Carol P

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  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:32 PM
  Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


  One thing I can think of with respect to your new phone and 
just

downloading the apps you want from the store is that, if you have a
lot
of
folders, you won't have those if you use this method. You have to 
redo

everything. How good are you at that?
  Mary

      Sent from my iPhone

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via
VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I just want to make sure I know the best way to set up things
when I
get my new phone, so please bear with me while I describe what I want
to
achieve:

I have a phone already and this will continue to be used
mainly
in
playing music, already transferred from my iTunes account.  (Some of
this
had been copied from CD's and, although I do have copies elsewhere, I
really
want to ensure iTunes doesn't demolish my music source.

I have lots of apps on my current phone, some of which I will
want
to transfer or at least have on my new phone and some I will not.

In addition, I will want to get all of my music onto the new
phone
also and this will be the same music that is on the older one.

I am thinking of doing this, as follows:
First, I'll backup my current phone, if I can, using iTunes.

When it comes to the new one, I'd rather set up as a new
iPhone,
ensure its name is different to the one I've been using, add it to 
the

list
of items I use that Apple needs to know about and then download those
apps I
want directly from the Store?  Or is there a better way to achieve
this
without getting messed up with two different phones, one computer 
with

iTunes and lots of apps to sort?

When it comes to copying the music, using iTunes and my 
rather

slow
laptop, will I be safe if I've got different names for each of my
phones,
but they'll share the same account and music?

If anyone can offer some pointers to help me to do this
without
too
many hitches, I'd be most grateful.

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Re: Update Question

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I couldn't find a download and install button either, no matter what I did.

I can only hope that it was because of a jam and that things will resolve 
tomorrow, or whenever I decide now to upgrade.


Perhaps someone can confirm where I should find that button?

I even looked at the list of changes thoroughly and went to the end of it, 
in case the button was hidden there!  I also double tapped on IOS9, double 
tapped and held and hunted everywhere for a download button but found none! 



In view of the posts on the various bugs one may encounter, I might just 
wait a while longer ...


Not quite sure though on that one!

Carol P

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Update Question



Hi,

There doesn't seem to be a download and install button at least that 
VoiceOver is reading.  I only have my phone, so updating through iTunes 
isn't possible.


Desi




Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:10 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Try touching the "download and install" button. Or try updating via 
iTunes.

Chris
On 16 Sep 2015, at 20:40, Destene Noller  
wrote:


Hi Everyone,

My husband just finished updating his iPad and now is updating his 
phone.  Each time I go into Settings under Software Update, iOS 9 comes 
up, but it says it is dimmed.  Is this simply because the servers are 
too busy?  Thanks!


Desi

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Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Am I correct that this has to be a unique password and not one you've used 
for your account or Apple mail?


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "John Diakogeorgiou" <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


If you use ITunes it will ask you for yur password. Just type it on the 
phone.


On 9/15/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I've never done an encripted backup before.  Can anyone run through the
steps, please?  Specifically, what do I need to check, or don't I!

Carol P

- Original Message -
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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE



Mary doing this will also get your music back.

On 9/15/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Sounds a good plan, Mary.

Think I'll do some house cleaning on this 4S also because I don't want
all
the apps I have at present, so let's tidy them now!  

Carol P

  - Original Message -
  From: Mary Otten
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:53 PM
  Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


  E hi Carol,
  What I plan to do is to get my old phone exactly how I want it with
the
folders and apps I want on my new phone. Then I will make an encrypted
backup using iTunes. Then, when I get a new phone, I will set that up
using
the encrypted backup from iTunes. This will not do anything for the 
music


I
don't think. But it should give me all of my apps and data that are
backed
up and keep my folder structure. So I hope anyway.
  Mary

  Sent from my iPad

  On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:56 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via
VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Don't mind that, but there would be a lot to do, so thanks for that
one;
 I'll avoid that route.

I really don't want to download all apps though, so what do I do?

Carol P

  - Original Message -
  From: Mary Otten
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:32 PM
  Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


  One thing I can think of with respect to your new phone and just
downloading the apps you want from the store is that, if you have a lot
of
folders, you won't have those if you use this method. You have to redo
everything. How good are you at that?
  Mary

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:26 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via
VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I just want to make sure I know the best way to set up things
when I
get my new phone, so please bear with me while I describe what I want 
to

achieve:

I have a phone already and this will continue to be used mainly
in
playing music, already transferred from my iTunes account.  (Some of
this
had been copied from CD's and, although I do have copies elsewhere, I
really
want to ensure iTunes doesn't demolish my music source.

I have lots of apps on my current phone, some of which I will
want
to transfer or at least have on my new phone and some I will not.

In addition, I will want to get all of my music onto the new
phone
also and this will be the same music that is on the older one.

I am thinking of doing this, as follows:
First, I'll backup my current phone, if I can, using iTunes.

When it comes to the new one, I'd rather set up as a new 
iPhone,

ensure its name is different to the one I've been using, add it to the
list
of items I use that Apple needs to know about and then download those
apps I
want directly from the Store?  Or is there a better way to achieve this
without getting messed up with two different phones, one computer with
iTunes and lots of apps to sort?

When it comes to copying the music, using iTunes and my rather
slow
laptop, will I be safe if I've got different names for each of my
phones,
but they'll share the same account and music?

If anyone can offer some pointers to help me to do this without
too
many hitches, I'd be most grateful.

Carol P


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Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Don't mind that, but there would be a lot to do, so thanks for that one;  I'll 
avoid that route.

I really don't want to download all apps though, so what do I do?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:32 PM
  Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


  One thing I can think of with respect to your new phone and just downloading 
the apps you want from the store is that, if you have a lot of folders, you 
won't have those if you use this method. You have to redo everything. How good 
are you at that?
  Mary  

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:26 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I just want to make sure I know the best way to set up things when I get my 
new phone, so please bear with me while I describe what I want to achieve:

I have a phone already and this will continue to be used mainly in playing 
music, already transferred from my iTunes account.  (Some of this had been 
copied from CD's and, although I do have copies elsewhere, I really want to 
ensure iTunes doesn't demolish my music source.

I have lots of apps on my current phone, some of which I will want to 
transfer or at least have on my new phone and some I will not.

In addition, I will want to get all of my music onto the new phone also and 
this will be the same music that is on the older one.

I am thinking of doing this, as follows:
First, I'll backup my current phone, if I can, using iTunes.

When it comes to the new one, I'd rather set up as a new iPhone, ensure its 
name is different to the one I've been using, add it to the list of items I use 
that Apple needs to know about and then download those apps I want directly 
from the Store?  Or is there a better way to achieve this without getting 
messed up with two different phones, one computer with iTunes and lots of apps 
to sort?

When it comes to copying the music, using iTunes and my rather slow laptop, 
will I be safe if I've got different names for each of my phones, but they'll 
share the same account and music?

If anyone can offer some pointers to help me to do this without too many 
hitches, I'd be most grateful.

Carol P


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Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

So how did you get your music and apps on the phone in the first place?

Carol P

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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE



Hi Carol:
Another way to accomplish what you are trying to do is to have a
different ICloud account for each phone. This way ITunes will see them
as separate phones. You can then go into ITunes and choose the phone
you want to use. You can tell it to download all your music with one
check box. You can also choose which apps you want on which phone. I
am running two IPhones and three IPads this way. Hope this helps.

On 9/15/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Thanks, Mark.

I thought that I was safe by changing the name and it's good to have it
confirmed.  Think I'll try to go that route, though my laptop isn't 
handling


iTunes very well.

Incidentally, I noticed a new version today.  Is it a case of, "Not 
broke,

don't fix it" or is the latest a good version to get?

Carol P

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From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:27 AM
Subject: RE: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


Hello Carol,

You're in the best place when it comes to setting up a second phone as
iTunes on your computer will take care of everything.

When you get your new device, simply attach it to your computer.  Next, 
you


will choose to set it up as a new phone.  Next, you will simply move to 
the


various tabs on the device, from within iTunes and manually select which
apps, books, and Playlists/music you want on the new device.  As long as
each device you attach to iTunes has a different device name, iTunes will
keep their respective settings, separate.

Managing multiple iOS devices is one of the things that iTunes does best.

By the way, it's always a good idea to backup your devices on a regular
basis.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE

Hi all,

I just want to make sure I know the best way to set up things when I get 
my


new phone, so please bear with me while I describe what I want to 
achieve:


I have a phone already and this will continue to be used mainly in 
playing
music, already transferred from my iTunes account.  (Some of this had 
been
copied from CD's and, although I do have copies elsewhere, I really want 
to


ensure iTunes doesn't demolish my music source.

I have lots of apps on my current phone, some of which I will want to
transfer or at least have on my new phone and some I will not.

In addition, I will want to get all of my music onto the new phone also 
and


this will be the same music that is on the older one.

I am thinking of doing this, as follows:
First, I'll backup my current phone, if I can, using iTunes.

When it comes to the new one, I'd rather set up as a new iPhone, ensure 
its


name is different to the one I've been using, add it to the list of items 
I


use that Apple needs to know about and then download those apps I want
directly from the Store?  Or is there a better way to achieve this 
without

getting messed up with two different phones, one computer with iTunes and
lots of apps to sort?

When it comes to copying the music, using iTunes and my rather slow 
laptop,


will I be safe if I've got different names for each of my phones, but
they'll share the same account and music?

If anyone can offer some pointers to help me to do this without too many
hitches, I'd be most grateful.

Carol P

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Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE

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Thanks, Mark.

I thought that I was safe by changing the name and it's good to have it 
confirmed.  Think I'll try to go that route, though my laptop isn't handling 
iTunes very well.


Incidentally, I noticed a new version today.  Is it a case of, "Not broke, 
don't fix it" or is the latest a good version to get?


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:27 AM
Subject: RE: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


Hello Carol,

You're in the best place when it comes to setting up a second phone as 
iTunes on your computer will take care of everything.


When you get your new device, simply attach it to your computer.  Next, you 
will choose to set it up as a new phone.  Next, you will simply move to the 
various tabs on the device, from within iTunes and manually select which 
apps, books, and Playlists/music you want on the new device.  As long as 
each device you attach to iTunes has a different device name, iTunes will 
keep their respective settings, separate.


Managing multiple iOS devices is one of the things that iTunes does best.

By the way, it's always a good idea to backup your devices on a regular 
basis.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE

Hi all,

I just want to make sure I know the best way to set up things when I get my 
new phone, so please bear with me while I describe what I want to achieve:


I have a phone already and this will continue to be used mainly in playing 
music, already transferred from my iTunes account.  (Some of this had been 
copied from CD's and, although I do have copies elsewhere, I really want to 
ensure iTunes doesn't demolish my music source.


I have lots of apps on my current phone, some of which I will want to 
transfer or at least have on my new phone and some I will not.


In addition, I will want to get all of my music onto the new phone also and 
this will be the same music that is on the older one.


I am thinking of doing this, as follows:
First, I'll backup my current phone, if I can, using iTunes.

When it comes to the new one, I'd rather set up as a new iPhone, ensure its 
name is different to the one I've been using, add it to the list of items I 
use that Apple needs to know about and then download those apps I want 
directly from the Store?  Or is there a better way to achieve this without 
getting messed up with two different phones, one computer with iTunes and 
lots of apps to sort?


When it comes to copying the music, using iTunes and my rather slow laptop, 
will I be safe if I've got different names for each of my phones, but 
they'll share the same account and music?


If anyone can offer some pointers to help me to do this without too many 
hitches, I'd be most grateful.


Carol P

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Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Sounds a good plan, Mary.

Think I'll do some house cleaning on this 4S also because I don't want all the 
apps I have at present, so let's tidy them now!  

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:53 PM
  Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


  E hi Carol,
  What I plan to do is to get my old phone exactly how I want it with the 
folders and apps I want on my new phone. Then I will make an encrypted backup 
using iTunes. Then, when I get a new phone, I will set that up using  the 
encrypted backup from iTunes. This will not do anything for the music I don't 
think. But it should give me all of my apps and data that are backed up and 
keep my folder structure. So I hope anyway.
  Mary

  Sent from my iPad

  On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:56 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Don't mind that, but there would be a lot to do, so thanks for that one;  
I'll avoid that route.

I really don't want to download all apps though, so what do I do?

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:32 PM
  Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


  One thing I can think of with respect to your new phone and just 
downloading the apps you want from the store is that, if you have a lot of 
folders, you won't have those if you use this method. You have to redo 
everything. How good are you at that?
  Mary  

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:26 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I just want to make sure I know the best way to set up things when I 
get my new phone, so please bear with me while I describe what I want to 
achieve:

I have a phone already and this will continue to be used mainly in 
playing music, already transferred from my iTunes account.  (Some of this had 
been copied from CD's and, although I do have copies elsewhere, I really want 
to ensure iTunes doesn't demolish my music source.

I have lots of apps on my current phone, some of which I will want to 
transfer or at least have on my new phone and some I will not.

In addition, I will want to get all of my music onto the new phone also 
and this will be the same music that is on the older one.

I am thinking of doing this, as follows:
First, I'll backup my current phone, if I can, using iTunes.

When it comes to the new one, I'd rather set up as a new iPhone, ensure 
its name is different to the one I've been using, add it to the list of items I 
use that Apple needs to know about and then download those apps I want directly 
from the Store?  Or is there a better way to achieve this without getting 
messed up with two different phones, one computer with iTunes and lots of apps 
to sort?

When it comes to copying the music, using iTunes and my rather slow 
laptop, will I be safe if I've got different names for each of my phones, but 
they'll share the same account and music?

If anyone can offer some pointers to help me to do this without too 
many hitches, I'd be most grateful.

Carol P


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Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE

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I've never done an encripted backup before.  Can anyone run through the 
steps, please?  Specifically, what do I need to check, or don't I!


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "John Diakogeorgiou" <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE



Mary doing this will also get your music back.

On 9/15/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Sounds a good plan, Mary.

Think I'll do some house cleaning on this 4S also because I don't want 
all

the apps I have at present, so let's tidy them now!  

Carol P

  - Original Message -
  From: Mary Otten
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:53 PM
  Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


  E hi Carol,
  What I plan to do is to get my old phone exactly how I want it with the
folders and apps I want on my new phone. Then I will make an encrypted
backup using iTunes. Then, when I get a new phone, I will set that up 
using
the encrypted backup from iTunes. This will not do anything for the music 
I
don't think. But it should give me all of my apps and data that are 
backed

up and keep my folder structure. So I hope anyway.
  Mary

  Sent from my iPad

  On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:56 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone

<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Don't mind that, but there would be a lot to do, so thanks for that 
one;

 I'll avoid that route.

I really don't want to download all apps though, so what do I do?

Carol P

  - Original Message -
  From: Mary Otten
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:32 PM
  Subject: Re: WHEN I SET UP MY NEW PHONE


  One thing I can think of with respect to your new phone and just
downloading the apps you want from the store is that, if you have a lot 
of

folders, you won't have those if you use this method. You have to redo
everything. How good are you at that?
  Mary

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:26 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via
VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hi all,

I just want to make sure I know the best way to set up things 
when I

get my new phone, so please bear with me while I describe what I want to
achieve:

I have a phone already and this will continue to be used mainly 
in

playing music, already transferred from my iTunes account.  (Some of this
had been copied from CD's and, although I do have copies elsewhere, I 
really

want to ensure iTunes doesn't demolish my music source.

I have lots of apps on my current phone, some of which I will 
want

to transfer or at least have on my new phone and some I will not.

In addition, I will want to get all of my music onto the new 
phone

also and this will be the same music that is on the older one.

I am thinking of doing this, as follows:
First, I'll backup my current phone, if I can, using iTunes.

When it comes to the new one, I'd rather set up as a new iPhone,
ensure its name is different to the one I've been using, add it to the 
list
of items I use that Apple needs to know about and then download those 
apps I

want directly from the Store?  Or is there a better way to achieve this
without getting messed up with two different phones, one computer with
iTunes and lots of apps to sort?

When it comes to copying the music, using iTunes and my rather 
slow

laptop, will I be safe if I've got different names for each of my phones,
but they'll share the same account and music?

If anyone can offer some pointers to help me to do this without 
too

many hitches, I'd be most grateful.

Carol P


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Hi all,

I just want to make sure I know the best way to set up things when I get my new 
phone, so please bear with me while I describe what I want to achieve:

I have a phone already and this will continue to be used mainly in playing 
music, already transferred from my iTunes account.  (Some of this had been 
copied from CD's and, although I do have copies elsewhere, I really want to 
ensure iTunes doesn't demolish my music source.

I have lots of apps on my current phone, some of which I will want to transfer 
or at least have on my new phone and some I will not.

In addition, I will want to get all of my music onto the new phone also and 
this will be the same music that is on the older one.

I am thinking of doing this, as follows:
First, I'll backup my current phone, if I can, using iTunes.

When it comes to the new one, I'd rather set up as a new iPhone, ensure its 
name is different to the one I've been using, add it to the list of items I use 
that Apple needs to know about and then download those apps I want directly 
from the Store?  Or is there a better way to achieve this without getting 
messed up with two different phones, one computer with iTunes and lots of apps 
to sort?

When it comes to copying the music, using iTunes and my rather slow laptop, 
will I be safe if I've got different names for each of my phones, but they'll 
share the same account and music?

If anyone can offer some pointers to help me to do this without too many 
hitches, I'd be most grateful.

Carol P

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Re: Apple Online Store goes offline ahead of iPhone 6s/Plus pre-orders – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Got mine ordered!  

Carol P

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  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:52 AM
  Subject: Apple Online Store goes offline ahead of iPhone 6s/Plus pre-orders – 
MacDailyNews - Welcome Home


  This serves as a reminder that the below devices should now be ready to 
pre-order.

http://macdailynews.com/2015/09/11/apple-online-store-goes-offline-ahead-of-iphone-6splus-pre-orders/


Apple Online Store goes offline ahead of iPhone 6s/Plus pre-orders
Ahead of pre-orders for iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, scheduled to start on 
September 12 at 12:00am PDT/3:00am EDT, Apple’s Online Store has gone offline 
with the message: 
We can’t wait to show you
what we have in store.

Our virtual doors are just about to open.

Thank you so much for your enthusiasm and your patience as we work to get 
everyone in as quickly as possible.

Keep checking back, because it won’t be long now.



Apple’s Online Store is here.

  MacDailyNews Take: Get ready, get set…


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Re: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

So, could you just clarify how these work.

Once you've charged up the charger and used it with your phone, how many 
more times can you repeat this process?


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Lemly" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries


Maria,

Sieghard has confirmed that the Anker Mini 3200mAh will charge your iPhone
at least one full time. I bought one of these models for a friend and it is
about the size of a lipstick. I have the Anker® Astro E1 5200mAh Ultra
Compact Portable Charger External Battery Power Bank with PowerIQ™
Technology and it is a bit larger at about 3 and a half inches long, and
inch and a half wide, and about a half inch deep. Small enough to be easily
transportable in a purse or small bag.

I like the Anker units because even though they use LED lights to display
how far along they are with charging, they automatically begin charging when
connected to either a wall outlet or your computer's USB port and they
automatically turn off when disconnected. They also automatically turn on
when you connect your iDevice to them to be charged using the supplied micro
USB cable.

Good luck with your shopping.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 11:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

Maria,

Yes, a 3200 MAH battery can easily provide one full charge for an iPhone 6,
probably more like one and a half. The iPhone 6 has an 1,810 MAH battery so
3,200 is plenty.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the Anker products.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mária Orovcíková
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

Hello list,
I have been following the discussion about external batteries with
interest and I thought to ask you if someone has experience with the
following model:
2nd Gen Astro Mini 3200mAh Portable Charger External Battery Power Bank
with PowerIQ Technology.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps
=[Apple+MFi+Certified]+Anker+2nd+Gen+Astro+Mini+3200mAh+Portable+Charger+Ext
ernal+Battery+Power+Bank+
Please, does anyone know of what size is the battery? It is 3200 mAh
battery, so do you think it would charge Iphone 6, let's say from 3% to
100% just once?
I currently have New Trent iCurve IMP70D 7000mAh External Battery Pack.
I am not sure if this model works with Iphone 6, I have not tried it
yet. I have bought it when I had Iphone 4. The capacity is great, but as
for size, it is not confortable for me to carry it in purse when I
travel, so I need something small in size, but big in capacity.
Thank you for your help in advance.
With kind regards
Maria

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Re: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Sorry, perhaps I haven't explained myself.

I understood the fact that a battery charge would do one or two complete 
charges of your phone.  What I was asking was how many times you can charge 
the charger itself, thus giving 1-2 further charges of your phone?


Sorry if I wasn't clear enough 

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries


Hi Carol,

You can charge as long as the battery has power and how much that is depends 
on the capacity of the battery. A 3,200 MAH battery will charge a 5S 
probably close to twice from when you first get the low battery warning at 
20%, a 6 maybe not quite twice and a 6 Plus most likely just once and then 
maybe a little bit. It really depends on the battery, the phone, when you 
start charging and also what you do while it is charging. If, for example, 
your phone is at 20% when you plug it in and you then use a GPS app for a 
couple of hours while it is charging, the phone will use up a lot more power 
and it will charge slower.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 12:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

So, could you just clarify how these work.

Once you've charged up the charger and used it with your phone, how many
more times can you repeat this process?

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Lemly" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries


Maria,

Sieghard has confirmed that the Anker Mini 3200mAh will charge your iPhone
at least one full time. I bought one of these models for a friend and it is
about the size of a lipstick. I have the Anker® Astro E1 5200mAh Ultra
Compact Portable Charger External Battery Power Bank with PowerIQ™
Technology and it is a bit larger at about 3 and a half inches long, and
inch and a half wide, and about a half inch deep. Small enough to be easily
transportable in a purse or small bag.

I like the Anker units because even though they use LED lights to display
how far along they are with charging, they automatically begin charging when
connected to either a wall outlet or your computer's USB port and they
automatically turn off when disconnected. They also automatically turn on
when you connect your iDevice to them to be charged using the supplied micro
USB cable.

Good luck with your shopping.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 11:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

Maria,

Yes, a 3200 MAH battery can easily provide one full charge for an iPhone 6,
probably more like one and a half. The iPhone 6 has an 1,810 MAH battery so
3,200 is plenty.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the Anker products.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mária Orovcíková
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

Hello list,
I have been following the discussion about external batteries with
interest and I thought to ask you if someone has experience with the
following model:
2nd Gen Astro Mini 3200mAh Portable Charger External Battery Power Bank
with PowerIQ Technology.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps
=[Apple+MFi+Certified]+Anker+2nd+Gen+Astro+Mini+3200mAh+Portable+Charger+Ext
ernal+Battery+Power+Bank+
Please, does anyone know of what size is the battery? It is 3200 mAh
battery, so do you think it would charge Iphone 6, let's say from 3% to
100% just once?
I currently have New Trent iCurve IMP70D 7000mAh External Battery Pack.
I am not sure if this model works with Iphone 6, I have not tried it
yet. I have bought it when I had Iphone 4. The capacity is great, but as
for size, it is not confortable for me to carry it in purse when I
travel, so I need something small in size, but big in capacity.
Thank you for your help in advance.
With kind regards
Maria

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Re: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Great.  That's what I thought would be the case and it's good to have it 
confirmed!  


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries


No problem. A good external battery is similar to your iPhone's battery and 
probably has a lifecycle of at least 500 charges. It should last you several 
years and eventually you probably notice that while you may have been able 
to charge your phone twice from 20% to 100% you suddenly only get up to 60% 
or something like that the second time around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

Sorry, perhaps I haven't explained myself.

I understood the fact that a battery charge would do one or two complete 
charges of your phone.  What I was asking was how many times you can charge 
the charger itself, thus giving 1-2 further charges of your phone?


Sorry if I wasn't clear enough 

Carol P

- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries


Hi Carol,

You can charge as long as the battery has power and how much that is depends
on the capacity of the battery. A 3,200 MAH battery will charge a 5S
probably close to twice from when you first get the low battery warning at
20%, a 6 maybe not quite twice and a 6 Plus most likely just once and then
maybe a little bit. It really depends on the battery, the phone, when you
start charging and also what you do while it is charging. If, for example,
your phone is at 20% when you plug it in and you then use a GPS app for a
couple of hours while it is charging, the phone will use up a lot more power
and it will charge slower.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 12:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

So, could you just clarify how these work.

Once you've charged up the charger and used it with your phone, how many
more times can you repeat this process?

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Lemly" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries


Maria,

Sieghard has confirmed that the Anker Mini 3200mAh will charge your iPhone
at least one full time. I bought one of these models for a friend and it is
about the size of a lipstick. I have the Anker® Astro E1 5200mAh Ultra
Compact Portable Charger External Battery Power Bank with PowerIQ™
Technology and it is a bit larger at about 3 and a half inches long, and
inch and a half wide, and about a half inch deep. Small enough to be easily
transportable in a purse or small bag.

I like the Anker units because even though they use LED lights to display
how far along they are with charging, they automatically begin charging when
connected to either a wall outlet or your computer's USB port and they
automatically turn off when disconnected. They also automatically turn on
when you connect your iDevice to them to be charged using the supplied micro
USB cable.

Good luck with your shopping.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 11:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

Maria,

Yes, a 3200 MAH battery can easily provide one full charge for an iPhone 6,
probably more like one and a half. The iPhone 6 has an 1,810 MAH battery so
3,200 is plenty.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the Anker products.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mária Orovcíková
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Please, I would like to know more about external batteries

Hello list,
I have been following the discussion about external batteries with
interest and I thought to ask you if someone has experience with the
following model:
2nd Gen Astro Mini 3200mAh Portable Charger External Battery Power Bank
with PowerIQ Technology.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps
=[Apple+MFi+Certified]+Anker+2nd+Gen+Astro+Mini+3200mAh+Portable+Charger+Ext
ernal+Battery+Power+Bank+
Please, does anyone know of what size is the battery? It is 3200 mAh
battery, so do you think it would charge Iphone 6, let's say from 3% to
100% just 

Re: Unable to update apps since updating iOS

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Just asking another question about this ...

Is the name you give your phone (so not the default) only used when you're 
working with iTunes or would you have to reset it before getting info back 
over the air from iCloud, for example?


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: Unable to update apps since updating iOS


Hi Kimber,

Did you do any sort of preparation before doing the update, e.g. backup your 
phone, force quit all apps, perform a Reset all Network Settings? John's 
suggestion to go to Settings > General > Reset and do a Reset All Network 
Settings would also be my advice. Remember after your phone reboots you have 
to reconnect again to your WiFi and enter the password. Following the simple 
steps I outlined above can prevent most upgrade issues.
One last comment, if you have given your iPhone a custom name in Settings > 
General > About you will have to enter that name again after a Reset All 
Network Settings since that procedure will put the default name back.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kimber Gardner

Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 7:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unable to update apps since updating iOS

For how long? I've left the update process active for as long as 30
minutes and nothing changed.

K

On 9/11/15, martinnelso...@gmail.com  wrote:
Hi; I have had the same problem. I found that if I remain signed in the 
apps

will update. I hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 11, 2015, at 4:54 AM, Kimber Gardner 
wrote:

Hi All,

Ever since I updated the iOS on my phone I am unable to update any of
my apps. When I open the app store I can see the list of available
updates, but when I tap the update button for an individual app I get
a connecting message but nothing more.

I have tried with several different apps. I have cleared the app
switcher, powered off the phone and powered it back on, all to no
avail.

Any ideas what might be going on?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

Kimber


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WORKFLOW APP

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Hi all,

I still haven't really understood the concept here yet or got an idea of what 
the Workflow app is actually achieving for everyone out there so, anyone care 
to enlighten me a little further, please?

Does it basically use other apps to get work done?

Examples of use would be interesting ...

Carol P

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BRAILLING WITH THE ONBOARD BRAILLE KEYBOARD AND/OR mBRAILLE

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Hi all,

I'm still using my faithful 4S, but don't think it will go much further as 
things are getting quite sluggish now.  In fact, I have noticed over recent 
upgrades that it's been more and more difficult - and now sometimes impossible 
- for me to position my fingers correctly (as the IOS sees it) for input in 
Braille.  I am a fast and accurate Brailler and do not believe I should be 
having all this amount of trouble.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Has anyone else, particularly if you're using a 4S, seen this behaviour and has 
anyone else contacted the Accessability Team.  I have just done so and hope 
others, if you find the problem , will also do the same.

Using Braille in any form seems to be more and more difficult and is really not 
how I'd like it to be or remember when first I started with my 4S, almost four 
years ago, I think.

Carol P

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Re: facebook not dispalying in date order

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Anyone else found that you have to keep going to "More" in the Facebook app 
to get more than just a few items showing?


I actually find this very tedious and think, if we accept it as VI users, 
we're again slowing ourselves down when it comes to dealing efficiently and 
quickly with our correspondence.


Am I just missing something here?

Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Mária Orovčíková" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: facebook not dispalying in date order


Hello,
in the latest versions and a few versions back, once you click "more"
button, "most recent" button is rather near the top of the screen
Hope that helps.
With kind regards
Maria
On 1. 9. 2015 4:36, Mary Otten wrote:
In the most recent upgraded Facebook, I am not seeing that "most recent" 
choice anymore. I opened up more and flipped all the way through past log 
out and help in settings and groups and a whole bunch of other things, and 
then I got to the bottom where it shows the usual tabs. What am I missing?


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Brent Harding > wrote:


Does that change the setting globally for the website or any other apps 
one uses FB in?


- Original Message -
*From:* Jeffrey Shockley 
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2015 9:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: facebook not dispalying in date order

Hi,
Go to the “More” button, down at the very most bottom right, and
double tap it. Then, flick right until you find where it says
“Most Recent,” and double tap that.
After doing this, the most recent posts will be at the top, and
the more you scroll down, the older they will get. That’s the
only way I know to do sort of what you’re asking.
hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:25 PM, cwc > wrote:

I know that this has been asked before, but I did not see the
answer.When I read my news feeds in facebook, I notice that they
are not in any particular order.Is there a way to at least get
them in date order?


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Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

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Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between 
transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone.


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display


How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer,
Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between the
display's clipboard,  and the phone?

-Original Message- 
From: Andrew Lamanche

Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

Hi Carol,

I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the
lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle.  I am not sure - nor
do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem.  But I
thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point against buying
their product which otherwise is very attractive.

I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I encounter the
problem.  I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch it is.
it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what.

Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've found
out.  And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for my
records privately.  I will keep in touch with respect to Smart Beetle.

Best wishes

Andrew
On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:


Hi Andrew,

Thanks so much for doing the test for me.

I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense machines 
here and had experienced this lag.  There are two reasons why I wanted to 
add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for taking 
around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been solved 
by the introduction of the Beetle.


However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will soon be a 
new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will solve 
at least a good part of the lagging.  I have mentioned this to the 
Accessability Team at


accessibil...@apple.com

and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can.

I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to do the 
driver and not HIMS themselves.


If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost for you, 
especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait for the 
translation.  I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same whether 
you're copying from the clipboard or writing in real time, and it's a 
lag in translation, I think.  However, I'm not the expert, so we'll just 
go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us.  Smiles


I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight this 
issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what I've 
gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all about 
it.  . . ..


By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred we 
take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this is the 
case.


I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to death. 
Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key!  Smiles


Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do 
the same.


Cheers and thanks for your input on this.

Carol P

- Original Message - From: Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com
To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display


Dear Carol,

I’m afraid I’ve got bad news.  I’ve done the test as  you’ve asked me to 
and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the text 
input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method.  This 
is disappointing.  I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the lag was 
definitely there even though the text was quite short.  also, I found 
editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag.  It 
took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right letter 
and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds for the 
text to appear on the display.  Very disappointed.


One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my iPhone as 
a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see whether 
it is the Braille mode that slows it down.  Apparently it is possible to 
use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille 
display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use it using 
a shortcut key.  I will have to read some more about it.  In a way, I’m 
anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have struggled to 
raise more finances for a more expensive product.  Maybe not all is lost