RE: Sonos headphones are here

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

They sound like nice headphones, but not nice enough for me to upgrade from my 
Sony WH-1000XM4 headphones. 
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos headphones are here
 
Since I have had the Apple Airpods Max since they came out, unless they die, I 
don’t see any real need to buy these.
The extra battery life looks great, but to my ears, the Apple Airpods Max are 
fantastic.
 
Like you say, since they didn’t include Wi-Fi, the battery life is really the 
only thing I would want, but only if these die.
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sonos headphones are here
 
No worries Richard, now instead of posting the first message I'll simply say 
that I am deeply disappointed that these are just another pair of super 
expensive Bluetooth headsets. I really thought that apart from that they would 
also support Wi-Fi connectivity when you are at home as all other Sonos 
products do and that they could be used as any other Sonos player and could be 
grouped with other Sonos players if, for example, my wife was watching a movie 
on our Arc surround setup and I wanted to listen on the headset while I was 
doing something else. Apparently it is very easy to transfer whatever is 
playing on another Sonos speaker to the headset which is somewhat nice, but I 
find it disappointing nonetheless. The first review I just read did sound 
positive in terms of the headset's design and sound quality. Apparently it is a 
definite step up from Apple's Airpods Max at a $100 lower price point and also 
competes well against Sony's top of the line offering. I may order one just to 
experience it, but I am 95% certain that I would probably send it back. Here 
the link to the review from Cult of Mac:
 
Sonos Ace headphones, the company's first, take on AirPods Max | Cult of Mac 
<https://www.cultofmac.com/857004/sonos-ace-headphones-take-on-airpods-max/#google_vignette>
 
 
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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 7:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Sonos headphones are here
 
 
 
Sorry Sieghared to beat you to the punch, but for those waiting for Sonos to 
release headphones, they announced them today.  They will be available June 5th 
for $449 US.
https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/sonos-ace
 
 
Richard, USA
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RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Yes, this is what I’m using currently, but am still in search of an accessible 
wireless option
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kenny 
Nead
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
I had a Weber mini it worked great with it’s app.
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
That sucks. I was starting to talk myself into grabbing one to see if I could 
somehow jerry-rig/mount the wireless probe into a drum roaster. This has been 
my dilemma with somehow finding a way to keep track of the coffee  bean 
roasting temp since a wired leave-in probe wouldn’t work. 
Ah well, the search continues.
 
Cristóbal
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
I received a reply from Chef IQ which unfortunately is not encouraging. I wrote 
them back and they replied again, the thread is below:
 
On May 16, 2024, at 5:51?AM, CHEF iQ Support supp...@chefiq.com 
<mailto:supp...@chefiq.com>  wrote:
 
Good Morning Sieghard,
Thanks for reaching out to CHEF iQ Support my name is Eve, 
At this time we do not offer accessibility for the blind / visually impaired. 
However, I have referred this to the appropriate team.
 
Best Regards, 
Eve
Customer Support Representative 
CHEFiQ.com
 <mailto:supp...@chefiq.com> supp...@chefiq.com
 
--- Original Message ---
From: Sieghard Weitzel [siegh...@outlook.com]
Sent: 5/16/2024, 12:55 PM
To: supp...@chefiq.com <mailto:supp...@chefiq.com> 
Subject: Re: Chef iQ Support 00356737
 
That is very unfortunate and disappointing. As our population ages there are 
more and more  people with visual impairments and for many companies 
Accessibility has become part of their philosophy. It is not difficult to make 
an app that is accessible, but in the meantime I had already heard that 
apparently somebody tried your product some time ago and found it very 
difficult to use if not inaccessible. Obviously Chef IQ does not care about 
this and I will therefore go ahead and order the Meater Plus thermometer even 
if I think you may have a better product. 
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
From: nore...@salesforce.com <mailto:nore...@salesforce.com>  
nore...@salesforce.com <mailto:nore...@salesforce.com>  On Behalf Of CHEF iQ 
Support
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:02 AM
To: siegh...@outlook.com <mailto:siegh...@outlook.com> 
Subject: Re: Chef iQ Support 00356737
 
Hello Sieghard,
 
I do apologize we are working on it. 
 
Eve
Customer Support Representative 
CHEFiQ.com
supp...@chefiq.com <mailto:supp...@chefiq.com> 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 4:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Thanks for that and I should have thought to check Applevis. Anyways, let's see 
what Chef IQ has to say, 3 years can be a long time and if it was discussed on 
Applevis I hope somebody contacted them to recommend accessibility improvments. 
If this was the case and nothing has been done regarding accessibility then my 
conclusion would be that the company is not very interested in it. Ultimateily 
I may just order both the Meater Plus and the Chef IQ and try/compare them and 
then send back the one I don't like.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
A quick follow up. this topic got me curious. I came across this thread on 
Applevis <https://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/food-drink/chef-iq>  about the Chef 
IQ app. It’s from three years ago and by the review, while it seems you can 
work with the app, acccessibility might be a challenge. Hopefully there have 
been accessibility improvements since this review was posted.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com> 
> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Honestly, no. Someone on the Blind subreddit did 

RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

That sucks. I was starting to talk myself into grabbing one to see if I could 
somehow jerry-rig/mount the wireless probe into a drum roaster. This has been 
my dilemma with somehow finding a way to keep track of the coffee  bean 
roasting temp since a wired leave-in probe wouldn’t work. 
Ah well, the search continues.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
I received a reply from Chef IQ which unfortunately is not encouraging. I wrote 
them back and they replied again, the thread is below:
 
On May 16, 2024, at 5:51?AM, CHEF iQ Support supp...@chefiq.com 
<mailto:supp...@chefiq.com>  wrote:
 
Good Morning Sieghard,
Thanks for reaching out to CHEF iQ Support my name is Eve, 
At this time we do not offer accessibility for the blind / visually impaired. 
However, I have referred this to the appropriate team.
 
Best Regards, 
Eve
Customer Support Representative 
CHEFiQ.com
 <mailto:supp...@chefiq.com> supp...@chefiq.com
 
--- Original Message ---
From: Sieghard Weitzel [siegh...@outlook.com]
Sent: 5/16/2024, 12:55 PM
To: supp...@chefiq.com <mailto:supp...@chefiq.com> 
Subject: Re: Chef iQ Support 00356737
 
That is very unfortunate and disappointing. As our population ages there are 
more and more  people with visual impairments and for many companies 
Accessibility has become part of their philosophy. It is not difficult to make 
an app that is accessible, but in the meantime I had already heard that 
apparently somebody tried your product some time ago and found it very 
difficult to use if not inaccessible. Obviously Chef IQ does not care about 
this and I will therefore go ahead and order the Meater Plus thermometer even 
if I think you may have a better product. 
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
From: nore...@salesforce.com <mailto:nore...@salesforce.com>  
nore...@salesforce.com <mailto:nore...@salesforce.com>  On Behalf Of CHEF iQ 
Support
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:02 AM
To: siegh...@outlook.com <mailto:siegh...@outlook.com> 
Subject: Re: Chef iQ Support 00356737
 
Hello Sieghard,
 
I do apologize we are working on it. 
 
Eve
Customer Support Representative 
CHEFiQ.com
supp...@chefiq.com <mailto:supp...@chefiq.com> 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 4:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Thanks for that and I should have thought to check Applevis. Anyways, let's see 
what Chef IQ has to say, 3 years can be a long time and if it was discussed on 
Applevis I hope somebody contacted them to recommend accessibility improvments. 
If this was the case and nothing has been done regarding accessibility then my 
conclusion would be that the company is not very interested in it. Ultimateily 
I may just order both the Meater Plus and the Chef IQ and try/compare them and 
then send back the one I don't like.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
A quick follow up. this topic got me curious. I came across this thread on 
Applevis <https://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/food-drink/chef-iq>  about the Chef 
IQ app. It’s from three years ago and by the review, while it seems you can 
work with the app, acccessibility might be a challenge. Hopefully there have 
been accessibility improvements since this review was posted.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com> 
> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Honestly, no. Someone on the Blind subreddit did suggest it as an accessible 
option with VoiceOver  though so I pulled the trigger on one when it  went on 
sale as a lightning deal, but by the time I got it, I’d already received the 
reply from Meater about it’s limitations for what I wanted to use it for. 
I’m currently using a Weber leave-in probe with a stainless steel stovetop 
popcorn maker which works well enough. The nice thing about the Weber app is 
that when you leave VO focus on the temperature readout, VO speaks the 
temperature change in realtime. 
I’d be curious to know what the Chef IQ folks say if they get back to you. 
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, M

RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

A quick follow up. this topic got me curious. I came across this thread on  
<https://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/food-drink/chef-iq> Applevis about the Chef 
IQ app. It’s from three years ago and by the review, while it seems you can 
work with the app, acccessibility might be a challenge. Hopefully there have 
been accessibility improvements since this review was posted.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: Cristóbal Muñoz  
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Honestly, no. Someone on the Blind subreddit did suggest it as an accessible 
option with VoiceOver  though so I pulled the trigger on one when it  went on 
sale as a lightning deal, but by the time I got it, I’d already received the 
reply from Meater about it’s limitations for what I wanted to use it for. 
I’m currently using a Weber leave-in probe with a stainless steel stovetop 
popcorn maker which works well enough. The nice thing about the Weber app is 
that when you leave VO focus on the temperature readout, VO speaks the 
temperature change in realtime. 
I’d be curious to know what the Chef IQ folks say if they get back to you. 
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Did you use it at all, just wondering how easy the app is to use.
I actually think the Chef Iq sounds a little better, it says it can handle over 
700+°F for ambient temperature and it comes with a hub which is used as a 
charging base and which also has a speaker which can speak the temperature. It 
also connects the thermometer to your device via Wi-Fi, I assume it's Bluetooth 
from the probe to the hub, but then it's WiFi so you have better range. 
Thirdly, you can add I think up to 2 additional probes through the one hub 
which could be a bonus. Lastly, Chef IQ seems to also make a smart pressure 
cooker and other small appliances which all work through the same app.
I sent them an email to ask about Voiceover accessibility, let's see if they 
reply and what they say.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
I bought one a few months ago, but ended up returning it. In my case, I was/am 
looking for something to measure the temperature of the roasting chamber while 
roasting coffee beans. I wrote the Meater folks and explained what I wanted to 
use it for, but they said that while it could handle higher temps when inserted 
into something, it was only rated around 200 and something degrees Fahrenheit 
for ambient temps (don’t recall the exact temperature they told me, but I know 
it wasn’t more than 300º). In order to properly roast coffee beans, you have to 
get around 400º depending on the bean. That and the way beans are roasted (lots 
of agitation), it might be too rough for the probe.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Hi,
 
Just saw this promoted in an email from A T Guys and was wondering if anybody 
has purchased and used it:
 
Meater Plus 
<https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=66_id=418>
 
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
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RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Honestly, no. Someone on the Blind subreddit did suggest it as an accessible 
option with VoiceOver  though so I pulled the trigger on one when it  went on 
sale as a lightning deal, but by the time I got it, I’d already received the 
reply from Meater about it’s limitations for what I wanted to use it for. 
I’m currently using a Weber leave-in probe with a stainless steel stovetop 
popcorn maker which works well enough. The nice thing about the Weber app is 
that when you leave VO focus on the temperature readout, VO speaks the 
temperature change in realtime. 
I’d be curious to know what the Chef IQ folks say if they get back to you. 
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Did you use it at all, just wondering how easy the app is to use.
I actually think the Chef Iq sounds a little better, it says it can handle over 
700+°F for ambient temperature and it comes with a hub which is used as a 
charging base and which also has a speaker which can speak the temperature. It 
also connects the thermometer to your device via Wi-Fi, I assume it's Bluetooth 
from the probe to the hub, but then it's WiFi so you have better range. 
Thirdly, you can add I think up to 2 additional probes through the one hub 
which could be a bonus. Lastly, Chef IQ seems to also make a smart pressure 
cooker and other small appliances which all work through the same app.
I sent them an email to ask about Voiceover accessibility, let's see if they 
reply and what they say.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
I bought one a few months ago, but ended up returning it. In my case, I was/am 
looking for something to measure the temperature of the roasting chamber while 
roasting coffee beans. I wrote the Meater folks and explained what I wanted to 
use it for, but they said that while it could handle higher temps when inserted 
into something, it was only rated around 200 and something degrees Fahrenheit 
for ambient temps (don’t recall the exact temperature they told me, but I know 
it wasn’t more than 300º). In order to properly roast coffee beans, you have to 
get around 400º depending on the bean. That and the way beans are roasted (lots 
of agitation), it might be too rough for the probe.
 
Cristóbal
 
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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Hi,
 
Just saw this promoted in an email from A T Guys and was wondering if anybody 
has purchased and used it:
 
Meater Plus 
<https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=66_id=418>
 
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
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RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I bought one a few months ago, but ended up returning it. In my case, I was/am 
looking for something to measure the temperature of the roasting chamber while 
roasting coffee beans. I wrote the Meater folks and explained what I wanted to 
use it for, but they said that while it could handle higher temps when inserted 
into something, it was only rated around 200 and something degrees Fahrenheit 
for ambient temps (don’t recall the exact temperature they told me, but I know 
it wasn’t more than 300º). In order to properly roast coffee beans, you have to 
get around 400º depending on the bean. That and the way beans are roasted (lots 
of agitation), it might be too rough for the probe.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer
 
Hi,
 
Just saw this promoted in an email from A T Guys and was wondering if anybody 
has purchased and used it:
 
Meater Plus 
<https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=66_id=418>
 
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
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RE: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

One major bug that appears to have popped up is that the audio playback speed 
no matter how fast you set it, stays on the default speed. In otherwords, 
molasses. I tried playing different audiobooks and it’s the same no matter what 
file you play. 
Already wrote VDR support about it.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CC
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:51 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream
 
Folks, it's Thursday, 9 nMay, 2024. I just downloaded voicedream version 4.34 
and still no downloadbutton for bookshare Phone is running ios16.7.2. Has 
anyone else had better luck with this update?  
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:04:43 PM UTC-4 Kelby Carlson wrote:
Support did finally get back to me and said that they should be pushing out an 
update that they anticipate will fix this. It does sound like an iOS 
compatibility issue.



On May 7, 2024, at 12:57 AM, Arnold Schmidt mailto:als...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I think I remember that some of those who are having this no download button  
problem say they can download from Bookshare's web site, just not into Voice 
Dream directly. If this be the case for you, there should be a download button 
if you look up a book on the site. If so, download it, then go into voice 
dream, tap the add button, and file browser will be one of the choices. Import 
books that way until this situation gets fixed.  If you choose this method, 
don't forget to open files and delete the book once you know it is in voice 
dream. 
 
You say you are running 16.x. I wonder if version 17.x is needed to run the 
latest voice dream? If so, this is unfortunate! 
 
Arnold Schmidt 
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On May 6, 2024, at 12:13 PM, CC mailto:ccunqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Book share invoice change subscriptions are up-to-date. I'm running 16.7.2 on 
an older model iPhone. Since May 1, 2024 no download buttons appear when I 
search book share results. I am able to download from CELA. Applause support 
sent a message on Saturday asking if it occurred with all books in the book 
share library. I told them that yes it did. No downloads. I use VD for hours 
daily and hope for a solution soon.
On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:40:47 AM UTC-4 Dana Leet wrote:

We did pay for the subscription and my husband and I both are able to download 
from Bookshare Reader buttons are available for us 

> On May 5, 2024, at 9:53 AM, Alan Lemly  <mailto:wal...@gmail.com> > wrote: 
> 
> Hi John, 
> 
> Out of curiosity, what are your results when you do a search for Bookshare 
> titles from within VDR as opposed to checking download history? Does the add 
> button appear next to those search results? Also, did you subscribe to VDR at 
> the new recently created subscription pricing model? 
> 
> I'm getting the add button with all search results and download history but I 
> noticed it was missing when I drilled down on New York Times fiction 
> bestsellers. I did subscribe when the pricing recently changed. 
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:55 AM, 'john riehl' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 
>> 
>> I can confirm this issue. I have an active Bookshare account. When I go 
>> into my Download history as an option for downloading books into VDR the 
>> Download button does not appear after each book as it used to. All that you 
>> see is a list of book titles with no way to perform an action on them. 
>> 
>> John Riehl 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com>  
>> mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
>> Kelby Carlson 
>> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 12:12 AM 
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com>  
>> Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream 
>> 
>> No, it's still active and I can download them from the website. 
>> 
>>>> On May 2, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Chris Chaffin >>> <mailto:chaffi...@gmail.com> > wrote: 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Is your subscription with Bookshare up to date? 
>>> I accidentally let mine expire, and that is how things looked to me if I 
>>> accessed it through Voice Dream. Once I renewed my subscription, the 
>>> download buttons reappeared. 
>>> 
>>> I am running the most recent update. I just checked and I have the download 
>>> buttons. 
>>> 
>>> Chris 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On May 2, 2024, at 8:58 PM, Kelby Carlson >>>> <mailto:kelbyc...@gmail.com> > wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> Starting today, I am no longer able to add Bookshare books to my Voice 
>>>> Drea

RE: looking for an app

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

A spotlight search should bring it up for you.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 1:06 PM
To: IPhone 
Subject: looking for an app
 
Hi,
 
Can anyone tell me where on the phone to find the Reminders  app?
 
The phone is a SE 2020. The alerts are coming in but I can't find the app to 
delete those alerts. I've hunted everywhere. This is not my phone, so I'm not 
sure exactly where to look.
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. 
Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my money’s 
worth and then some for this app if this is the case. 
I believe BookPlayer also has an in-app payment option for cloud storage and 
syncing. 
For some folks, the 60 bucks for VDR might even be worth it as you can use just 
one app for both eBooks and audiobooks. Everyone knows their own budget though.
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never 
heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just 
too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to 
download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly 
reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s 
doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I don’t know if it’s been stated, but for those who received that message, were 
you one time purchasers or already on the subscription based model?  I got the 
VDR update too, but no such banner or at least not yet. I bought the app way 
back in 2011 or 2012 and have certainly gotten my money’s worth. 

There’s an alternative app called Bookplayer 
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bookplayer/id1138219998>  which is very 
accessible. 

You can always use Apple’s native book app for eBooks and Kindle even supports 
ePub files now.

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

I updated and when the notice came up in the app I clicked on the learn more 
thing at the bottom of the screen and the announcement went away and it did not 
take me anywhere I could learn more, it just wen back to the list of books I 
have.

 

Not impressed.

 

Dan Beaver

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA

On 3/25/2024 4:30 PM, Peggy Kane wrote:

 

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️





On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:27 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Where did you receive this message?  I updated VDR today, and a window popped 
up saying something about a price change, but didn't get to read in more detail 
because It got closed before I could do something.

Cheers,
Leo Bado.

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for those who understand us enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.

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<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
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Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream

Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. A 
pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in there 
reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It was a 
wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one of the first 
to buy it for I think 5 dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but much more 
important places to put my money. On Social Security with a guide dog and so 
guess it goes away. Still want to cry after all the books from Bookshare it has 
read to me.  

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Hi,

I just updated the app, and never received a message at all from Voice Dream.

How is it possible for them to start charging for something? Some of us have 
been using for free actually not for free that we paid for already that is my 
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RE: BARD App

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I get this too 
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 12:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD App
 
I only experience this with the BARD app myself.
 
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2024 8:01 PM
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Subject: RE: BARD App
 
What other apps?
 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
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Subject: Re: BARD App
 
I’m not from the US and I don’t use bard, I do however have a pair of these 
headphones, and this problem occurs in other apps.
Sent from my iPhone
 
On 14 Mar 2024, at 00:21, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:
 
It doesn’t come and go for me. The pause button on my Shokz Open Moves never 
pauses a BARD book.
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: BARD App
 
Steve it seems to come and go
 
 
Corey Cook
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Steve Cook
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Subject: BARD App
 
Hi All, 
 
Wanted to check with others before reporting this. I use the Open Com Blue 
Tooth headset with my iPhone 14 for reading books. With the latest update, I 
have noticed when pressing the button to stop play back, this no longer works. 
Is anyone else experiencing this? I have cleared the app switcher and restarted 
my iPhone. 
 
 
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RE: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

You can also change the equalizer by pressing and holding both the volume up 
and down button at the same time until the change is announced.
Be sure to keep the box it came in as well as a copy of your receipt. I too 
have the Open Run and have had other models throughout the years. I love the 
bone conduction feature as it leaves my ears open. I'm one of those blindies 
who loses all sense of direction if my ears are covered up. Anyway... the 
reason I say to hold onto all your stuff for the headset is that for every 
single version I've had, I have had to get a replacement roughly a year after 
purchase. Getting a replacement thankfully is pretty seamless and it's a 
generous 2 year warranty, but just something to keep in mind. This really is 
the only gripe I have about the Shokz headsets. 


Cristóbal

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
Headphones for iPhone

Hello Everyone,

A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting 
Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.

I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the 
Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using a 
Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.

I think they are absolutely amazing.

What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app for 
iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I 
absolutely love.

The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.

In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days 
later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  

With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which to 
choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.

The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.

There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit model.
1.
The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.

2.
The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the 
sound.

3.
Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both ears.

4.
Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between 
Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two, devices, 
simultaneously.

You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me, just 
go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.

Mark


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RE: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is inconsistent

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I generally buy on the website instead of the app for this reason. I always try 
to score a Kindle Unlimited promo sub to make the Kindle version free wherever 
possible to only pay at the discounted price on Audible.
That and I use the  Library extension <https://www.libraryextension.com/>  
that'll let you know if the title you're looking for is already available in 
the library systems you're a member of
 
Cristóbal
 
-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 10:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is 
inconsistent
 
Hi Mary,
 
I almost always prefer to purchase via the Amazon primary site because the 
Audible version is much less expensive when you also purchase the Kindel 
version, at the same time.
 
I recently purchased a Kendle with Whisper sync title for a total of $11 while 
purchasing the Audible title, only, would have cost $22.
 
My advice?  Always check for Whisper sync and, if available, buy the Kindle 
version with audible narration.
 
Mark
 
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<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 5:33 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is 
inconsistent
 
If you don’t see the option to buy with cash, as head out or though has said, 
make sure you updated your app. As for it being easier to purchase with a 
credit, sure it’s easier. It’s also stupid if the cash price is less than what 
you paid for the credit. If you’re willing to trade efficiency for cash, OK. 
I’m not. If they didn’t have the option, I would just do all my cash purchases 
online. On the website on my computer. However, since this option is available, 
I expect it to work all of the time, not just when it feels like it. 
Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Hendrickson < <mailto:louv...@gmail.com> 
> louv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The easiest way to purchase audible books through the app, is with 
> credits.  I have always done this, and will continue to do so.  It is 
> much easier, to purchase credits through the computer on the audible 
> website , then use the audible app to purchase books with those same 
> credits.  I just updated my audible app today as well.  Good luck.
> 
>> On 2/6/24, Gerardo Corripio < <mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> 
>> gera1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maybe you haven't updated the Audible app from within the App Store? 
>> Make sure you've the latest update.
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 6 feb 2024, a la(s) 6:10 p.m., Barbara Stahl 
>>> < <mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com> stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com> 
>>> escribió:
>>> 
>>> That is so strange when I go into the Audible app every book I 
>>> click on it tells me that I can only purchase them with a credit 
>>> because this app does not support cash purchases how are you able to 
>>> do it
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Mary Otten < <mailto:motte...@gmail.com> 
>>>> motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> At some point in the not too distant past, audible started 
>>>> offering books in their app for cash. I bought a couple today, 
>>>> because they were less than had I spent a credit. The first one I 
>>>> bought, I had to try several times, it finally took me to the App 
>>>> Store dialogue where I could confirm with the side button. Then I bought a 
>>>> couple with credits.
>>>> Finally, I wanted to buy one more with cash for the same reason I 
>>>> quoted above. I tried several times, and all it would say is there 
>>>> was an error and the purchase was unsuccessful. I got an OK button 
>>>> and I could try again and again and again. I waited a few minutes and 
>>>> tried again.
>>>> Nothing. So I went to the website and bought it there. Has anyone 
>>>> else experienced intermittent failure with this capability within the app?
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
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RE: iOS 17.3, Anyone?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I've noticed a couple of times so far when dictating something in an email, my 
dictation entry is posted twice. Don't know if it's just one of those random 
things or possibly a bug. Have only experienced in the message field of an 
email. Nowhere else.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 17.3, Anyone?

That's great news, Ryan.

Let's hope we can all report the same.

Thanks again.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 2:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 17.3, Anyone?

I installed it and I have not noticed any new bugs yet. 
Ryan Mann
Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Jan 24, 2024, at 5:51 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> I see that iOS 17.3 is now available.
> 
> Has anyone installed it yet?  If so, are there any new bugs to report? 
> Or any issues that we should know?
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
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RE: Digital meet thermometer with Bluetooth

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Haven't had to change mine yet so couldn’t say.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Digital meet thermometer with Bluetooth

Hi,
The battery on my iGrill died when I was getting ready to smoke a beautiful 
rack of pork ribs. What kind of battery do I need?If I remember correctly, it 
is a CR2032 3-volt battery and I can get a 10-pack of those on Amazon for 5 
bucks. Is that what I need?
Thanks,
Tom


> On Dec 14, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> This is what I use when roasting coffee. The nice thing about the app is 
> that VO speaks the temperature change when VO focus is on that element.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dave Lehnis
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Digital meet thermometer with Bluetooth
> 
> Thank you. I will check it out. Your assistance is much appreciated.
> 
> Dave Lehnis.
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2023, at 10:04 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use the iGrill Mini from Weber that is a leave-in thermometer.  The wire 
>> connecting the probe to the brains of the unit is close to 4 feet long so is 
>> works in ovens, on grills, etc.
>> 
>> This is a single probe.  I gather you can buy a set from 2 to 4 probes if 
>> you are cooking multiple things at once.
>> It is around $45 dollars at Amazon.
>> https://www.amazon.com/Weber-7202-iGrill-Mini/dp/B01M30DCHG/ref=sr_1_
>> 2
>> ?keywords=igrill+mini=1702576893=8-2
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>> 
>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS 
>> version 2024.2310.70.400
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Dave Lehnis
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Digital meet thermometer with Bluetooth
>> 
>> I am hoping there might be a few suggestions for a meat thermometer that can 
>> be used with the iPhone. Most of them are for smokers and that could work 
>> but I will want an app so I can do the settings on my phone. Any suggestions 
>> will be quite helpful. I have an iPhone 11.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Dave Lehnis
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RE: Digital meet thermometer with Bluetooth

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

This is what I use when roasting coffee. The nice thing about the app is that 
VO speaks the temperature change when VO focus is on that element.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Lehnis
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Digital meet thermometer with Bluetooth

Thank you. I will check it out. Your assistance is much appreciated.

Dave Lehnis.

> On Dec 14, 2023, at 10:04 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I use the iGrill Mini from Weber that is a leave-in thermometer.  The wire 
> connecting the probe to the brains of the unit is close to 4 feet long so is 
> works in ovens, on grills, etc.
> 
> This is a single probe.  I gather you can buy a set from 2 to 4 probes if you 
> are cooking multiple things at once.
> It is around $45 dollars at Amazon.
> https://www.amazon.com/Weber-7202-iGrill-Mini/dp/B01M30DCHG/ref=sr_1_2
> ?keywords=igrill+mini=1702576893=8-2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS 
> version 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dave Lehnis
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Digital meet thermometer with Bluetooth
> 
> I am hoping there might be a few suggestions for a meat thermometer that can 
> be used with the iPhone. Most of them are for smokers and that could work but 
> I will want an app so I can do the settings on my phone. Any suggestions will 
> be quite helpful. I have an iPhone 11.
> 
> Thanks.
> Dave Lehnis
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RE: Sound notifications on a locked screen do not work

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Funny, I don’t' get notifications when I'm using the phone, but no problem if 
it's locked.
Ah well, it's always something...

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sound notifications on a locked screen do not work

Hello friends,
After updating my iPhone 14 Pro to iOS 17.2 I have begun to face a problem with 
notifications alerts. I can no longer get sound alerts at all when my phone 
screen is locked. I made sure that I turned on all the show on locked screen 
for all the notifications of  the appspps I want, but to no avail.
Did anyone else face this problem? If so, how did you folks deal with it? It is 
very frustrating to deal with it. I spent over two hours fiddling with the 
various notifications settings without any success.
Thanks a million for any help or suggestions.
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: App to see power light?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I too agree the BeMyEyes  AI channel would be a good option. 
There’s also another dedicated light detection app for iPhone called 
SeeingAssistant-Light 
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/seeing-assistant-light/id690177283>  you amy 
want to try. 
My condolences for your loss.
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2023 8:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App to see power light?
 
Yes, that is very sad news and I cannot imagine the loss …
 
I echo Jody’s recommendation of Be My Eyes AI channel.
I just checked our modem and it informed me that there is a vertical series of 
lights all illuminated green which usually means proper functionality or some 
statement like that.
So, if there is an issue, my guess is it would tell you if some are blinking, 
or red, etc.
 
Of course, if the AI doesn’t do it, you can always call a volunteer for help 
through the app.
 
Blessings,
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Jody 
ianuzzi
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 8:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: App to see power light?
 
Hello Kim,
 
I know I'm so sorry to hear about your husband.
 
I suggest to Be My Eyes app.
JODY
 
To Boldly Go   
 
 
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"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik 
Weihenmayer
 
On Dec 7, 2023, at 9:20 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
Hello,

My husband recently died so I no longer have sighted help.  Sometimes my 
internet goes down or I think it has.  I’m looking for an app that will either 
tell me if the power light is on and/or what color it is.


As always,


Thanks,


Kim

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RE: volume while using the phone

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

For the most part, I find audio ducking too distracting. Be it on the iPhone or 
even Jaws on the PC. 
On my iPhone though, I have audio bucking and a few other VO settings listed in 
quick settings (two finger quadruple tap). It comes in handy for those times 
you click on a webpage or video clip and get blasted with all that noise. 
 
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 6:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: volume while using the phone
 
Kay, 
 
Based on your comment, it sounds as if you're confused about how audio ducking 
works on the iPhone. With it on, the audio from the phone, music app, etc. 
Ducks or lowers when VoiceOver is speaking so that the VoiceOver is more easily 
heard. 
 
Alan Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 1, 2023, at 5:57 PM, Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
If audio ducking was on, that would mean the voice would drop when other voices 
were speaking and I sure don't want that.  It is not ducking for sure.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> 
 
“Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” 
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- Original Message - 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2023 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: volume while using the phone
 
Hi Kay,
 
Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, and Audio.  Be sure Audio Ducking is 
set to On.  That should take care of it.
 
Karen P
 
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 1:16 PM
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Subject: volume while using the phone
 
Hi all,
I have a strange problem with the voice over volume while talking on the phone. 
 When using the phone if I need to dial in numbers I can barely hear voiceover 
at all.  Yes, I have made sure that the voiceover volume on the rotor is at 100 
percent and it is still low.  the voices on the phone are much louder than 
Voiceover.  This doesn't happen anywhere else but on the phone.  Otherwise, the 
volumes are all fine.  Anything else I should be looking at?  Thanks much for 
any ideas.
Kay Malmquist
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RE: Is this due to latest update

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

The other day, I reached out to their accessibility team regarding a VO issue I 
was having where VO would just randomly go silent for 20 to 30 seconds. Very 
similar to a nasty bug we dealt with maybe back with iOS 7 or 8 or one of those 
versions. 
Low and behold, they acknowledged the issue after I gave a detailed description 
of when and how etc. They asked me to generate a diagnostic report via a link 
they provided and said they were working on it.
Sometimes it does feel like you’re just screaming into the void, and others… 
reaching out to report a bug really does help.


Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is this due to latest update
 
I also get this, make sure you email Apple Accessibility and let them know, 
they can’t fix it if nobody tells them and they may not give it much priority 
if only 1 or 2 people report it.
 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
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Subject: RE: Is this due to latest update
 
This certainly solved my problems.
Alison
 
 
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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Is this due to latest update
 
It is. Try going to settings, accessibility,  VoiceOver, and at the bottom is 
double tap time out. Try increasing it to 3 or 3.5. 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 
 
 
On Nov 28, 2023, at 11:16 AM, danneyya...@gmail.com 
<mailto:danneyya...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I’ve noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn’t always 
get a response and will  sometimes trigger something other than what I’m 
focused on.  Second issue is that when I dictate a text message, using Siri, 
she will only read the first part of it back to me, then  after the microphone 
seems to go on and off, will finally read it all back.  Almost like she isn’t 
aware that I’ve completed my dictating.
With these issues occurring after the update, I just wondered if this  could be 
a factor?
Dan
 
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RE: be my ai?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Search for Be My Eyes instead. There is no BeMyAI. The Ai feature is part of 
the BeMyEyes app.

Cristóbal

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: be my ai?

I have read a lot about "be my ai" on this list, but when I go into the app 
store, I can't find it.
I have tried searching for "be my ai" and "be my AI" but neither search returns 
the app in the list as far as I can tell.

I am finding it more and more important to use scanned images to do stuff so 
this app and all of its positive reviews has me curious.

So where do I get it?

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RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

This topic reminds me of these two articles.

Blind Olympic athletes show the universal nature of pride and shame 
<https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/blind-olympic-athletes-show-the-universal-nature-of-pride-and-shame>
 

The role of visual experience in the production of emotional facial expressions 
by blind people: <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5902524/> 

Sometimes, BeMyEyes descriptions aren’t appreciated. The other day, I used it 
to snap a photo of a bag of green coffee beans that I wanted to roast. I held 
the bag of beans in my left hand and snapped the picture with my iPhone in my 
right hand. BeMyEyes came back with a description of the type of bean, region 
where they were grown, altitude and a whole bunch of other info I wouldn’t 
gotten if I tried using SeeingAI. Cool cool… 

At the end of the very detailed description, BeMyEyes also wrote that the bag 
was being held by someone with a harry arm. WTH! What’s up with the 
editorializing? 

 

Cristóbal

 

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Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 12:31 PM
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What did your friend say about your expression? I assume it described you as 
"serious" because you weren't smiling.

 

 

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Malcolm Parfitt

Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 4:52 PM

To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

 

Hello friends.

 

I appreciate that none of you know me personally and like me have no idea what 
I look like.

 

However, at my request a friend of mine took a picture of me recently when we 
were in what we call in the UK a pub.  I was very interested in the results I 
obtained when asking Be My AI to describe the photo.  It’s description was:

 

The man in the picture has a fair complexion and a sturdy build. His hair is 
short and appears to be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of 
hair. His eyes are partially closed, and he has a somewhat stern or serious 
expression on his face. His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is 
clean-shaven.

 

He is wearing a dark-colored polo shirt with a collar. The shirt has a small 
embroidery on the right side of his chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in a 
cursive font with gold thread. The shirt appears to be of a comfortable fit.

 

The lighting in the picture is focused on him, making him the central element 
of the image. There is no additional information provided about the man, such 
as his name or what he is doing in the pub.

 

 

What interested me most is that this is the closest we can get to a sighted 
person looking in a mirror.

 

The other thing that struck me was the description of my expression.  I had 
never really thought about expressions but I suddenly thought are expressions 
learned or natural.  How far do our expressions mirror those of sighted people. 
 I didn’t feel serious at the time, and if Be My AI’s description of my 
expression was accurate then why would I look serious?

 

Do our expressions really express our mood as sighted people’s do?

 

Not really an Apple question admittedly but an interesting subject.

 

Apologies in advance for the off-topic post but I would be most interested in 
your opinions.

Malcolm Parfitt

 

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RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Figurative term... From there really being nothing or next to nothing described 
when we were younger till now, it feels like AD is everywhere. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 6:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

I am not sure where you find audio descriptions everywhere. A couple of weeks 
ago I looked through the top 10 movies on Netflix and I think out of them 1 or 
2 had audio descriptions and some of them were brand new 2023 releases. 
Captions for the hearing impaired exist on literally everything and it 
shouldn't evben be allowed these days to release a new movie or TV series 
without audio descriptions.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 3:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

To be clear,  I was responding to the app accessibility aspect of the question. 
It's funny. For so long all we wanted was more audio description. Now that it's 
everywhere, I find myself less and less interested in watching TV or even the 
movies. 

 
-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal Muñoz  
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Haven't use it in a long time, but can't you also just access Paramount Plus 
and other streaming services via the Apple TV app on your device? 

Cristóbal

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Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Mark, you write:
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

If that happens it would of course be absolutely amazing, but not to be 
impressed by it now probably means you have not use the Be My AI feature in the 
Be My Eyes app. I am also somebody who is not all that easily impressed any 
more, but every time I request a description of a photo on my iPhone or one I 
just took, I am impressed all over again and I can't wait until it's possible 
to submit short videos using Be My AI which hopefully will be possible at some 
point.

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From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 1:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Hello All,

Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS / iPad / 
Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description feature, as of today, 
in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.

I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, today, and 
was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I did not think it 
would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I mean; but I was pleasantly 
surprised.

Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, the first 
EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.

And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.  

I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not offer 
the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, alas, it has 
not.

Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I know I 
will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.

So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to subscribe 
to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.  

Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't want to 
provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably certain that it will 
provide the expected service.

It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so scarcely 
available.

If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:  
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I guess what I meant, was if there are accessibility issues with the app, 
couldn’t you just access the same content via the TV app bypassing the 
provider's own app?

Cristóbal

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From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Hi Cristóbal,

The short answer is that subscribing to Paramount Plus, independently of Apple 
and subscribing to Paramount Plus through Apple is not the same.  

Based on all the articles I've read, I have decided to subscribe directly to 
Paramount; I will still be able to view the content on all of my Apple devices 
via the Paramount Plus app.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Haven't use it in a long time, but can't you also just access Paramount Plus 
and other streaming services via the Apple TV app on your device? 

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Mark, you write:
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

If that happens it would of course be absolutely amazing, but not to be 
impressed by it now probably means you have not use the Be My AI feature in the 
Be My Eyes app. I am also somebody who is not all that easily impressed any 
more, but every time I request a description of a photo on my iPhone or one I 
just took, I am impressed all over again and I can't wait until it's possible 
to submit short videos using Be My AI which hopefully will be possible at some 
point.

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 1:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Hello All,

Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS / iPad / 
Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description feature, as of today, 
in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.

I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, today, and 
was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I did not think it 
would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I mean; but I was pleasantly 
surprised.

Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, the first 
EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.

And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.  

I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not offer 
the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, alas, it has 
not.

Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I know I 
will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.

So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to subscribe 
to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.  

Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't want to 
provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably certain that it will 
provide the expected service.

It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so scarcely 
available.

If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:  
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

To be clear,  I was responding to the app accessibility aspect of the question. 
It's funny. For so long all we wanted was more audio description. Now that it's 
everywhere, I find myself less and less interested in watching TV or even the 
movies. 

 
-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal Muñoz  
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Haven't use it in a long time, but can't you also just access Paramount Plus 
and other streaming services via the Apple TV app on your device? 

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Mark, you write:
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

If that happens it would of course be absolutely amazing, but not to be 
impressed by it now probably means you have not use the Be My AI feature in the 
Be My Eyes app. I am also somebody who is not all that easily impressed any 
more, but every time I request a description of a photo on my iPhone or one I 
just took, I am impressed all over again and I can't wait until it's possible 
to submit short videos using Be My AI which hopefully will be possible at some 
point.

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 1:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Hello All,

Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS / iPad / 
Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description feature, as of today, 
in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.

I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, today, and 
was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I did not think it 
would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I mean; but I was pleasantly 
surprised.

Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, the first 
EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.

And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.  

I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not offer 
the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, alas, it has 
not.

Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I know I 
will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.

So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to subscribe 
to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.  

Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't want to 
provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably certain that it will 
provide the expected service.

It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so scarcely 
available.

If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:  
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Haven't use it in a long time, but can't you also just access Paramount Plus 
and other streaming services via the Apple TV app on your device? 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Mark, you write:
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

If that happens it would of course be absolutely amazing, but not to be 
impressed by it now probably means you have not use the Be My AI feature in the 
Be My Eyes app. I am also somebody who is not all that easily impressed any 
more, but every time I request a description of a photo on my iPhone or one I 
just took, I am impressed all over again and I can't wait until it's possible 
to submit short videos using Be My AI which hopefully will be possible at some 
point.

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 1:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Hello All,

Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS / iPad / 
Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description feature, as of today, 
in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.

I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, today, and 
was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I did not think it 
would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I mean; but I was pleasantly 
surprised.

Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, the first 
EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.

And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.  

I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not offer 
the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, alas, it has 
not.

Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I know I 
will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.

So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to subscribe 
to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.  

Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't want to 
provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably certain that it will 
provide the expected service.

It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so scarcely 
available.

If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:  
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Graysky (a Bluesky client) and VoiceOver accessibility

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Hello list,

Has anyone had a chance to play with Graysky and have they found it to be
accessible? Someone on Bluesky said they’ve been using the beta and that
some of their Voiceover accessibility feedback has been addressed. However,
when I downloaded the app now that it’s out of beta, I get nowhere. There’s
no Voiceover feedback at all when swiping or tapping. 

Also, as the Bluesky app and website are pretty difficult to navigate to
outright inaccessible, I’ve been using Mona to access 

Bluesky via Skybridge.
<https://www.newsdirectory3.com/using-mastodon-client-as-a-bluesky-client-a-
step-by-step-guide-with-sky-bridge-proxy/> 

This has worked well as Mona’s already a very accessible Mastodon client,
but the issue I’m coming across is that I get a ton of internal server error
or your connection has timed out messages. I encounter the same connection
issues with Ivory

So it doesn’t seem like it’s an app specific issue.

I figured I’d give Graysky a try and see if there’s any difference or
improvement with the Skybridge workaround, but as I can’t do anything with
it when I open the app…

Anyway, if there are any bluesky users on here and have been able to get
Graysky to work or if they know of a fix for the connectivity issues with
third party apps, it would be great to get some feedback.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

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RE: New iPhone 15 Pro Operating at Normal Temperature

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I personally use the assistive touch button for another way to jump to the home 
screen along with the app switcher and control center. I’m most likely going to 
upgrade from my XR to a 15 Pro/Pro Max, but will keep the assistive touch 
button for the same purposes and probably use the action button for something 
else.

Cristóbal

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From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New iPhone 15 Pro Operating at Normal Temperature

Hello Richard and congratulations on your new iPhone 15 Pro.  May it bring you 
many years of accessible joy.

Also, thanks for the info about setting up the Action button to take you to the 
home screen.  That never would have occurred to me.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 6:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: New iPhone 15 Pro Operating at Normal Temperature

All,

I just  set up my new iPhone Pro yesterday afternoon at the local Apple store.
• Apparently, as others have indicated, the overheating issue seems to have 
been resolved. The phone operates at normal temperature inside the Apple 
silicon case I purchased for the phone.
• One comment: my personal experience of the upgrade from an iPhone  8 to face 
recognition on the 15 Pro is a bit of a challenge. It’s quite different.
• By the way, later in the evening I had great telephone support from the Apple 
accessibility desk. I had a marathon session with one agent. Among other 
things, the agent arranged for one of the left-side activation buttons (the top 
button) to bring up the home screen. He did this by helping me create a 
shortcut and using the activation button to initiate the shortcut. This helps 
me maintain some semblance of long-established patterns of use. Great support 
from Apple.

Best to all,

Richard Petty
mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net




From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:34 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on 
iPhone 15 Series

I don't think the regular iPhone 15 and 15 Plus have Titanium frames, but of 
course I could be wrong.
Of course it's also beyond me why if  you have an iPhone 14 Pro Max you would 
buy a 15 Plus which has the exact same chip, it lacks the LiDAR sensor your 14 
Pro Max has and as far as I can tell all you get is an action button to which 
you can map one single function and you have a USB-C port instead of a 
Lightning port.
Of course if you decide you don't want it any more you can send it to me, it is 
starting to get cold up here in Northern British Columbia and this may make a 
nice hand warmer 藍

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:11 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 
15 Series

Hello All,

Well, I have been working with a 15 Plus for over a week. I have truly been 
putting it through it proverbial paces and I can tell you that the device heats 
up far faster and far warmer than does my beloved 14 Pro Max.

It's really quite interesting as I understand that the 15 Plus is just a 14 
series inside that titanium case.  Is this true?

Regardless, with only a screen protector installed and using a cheap $10 case I 
purchased at the Apple store, using the device for any uninterrupted length of 
time when performing longer tasks such as performing system restores, lengthy 
GPS navigation, App updates (over 30 or so at a time) the phone really heats 
up.  I'm not saying it is heating to a dangerous level but I am saying that it 
is heating up so much and so fast that I have decided to not purchase a 15 Pro 
Max, this year.

Of course I am comparing the 15 Plus with my beloved 14 Pro Max with the same 
level of screen brightness.

Okay, just thought I would pass this along.

Keep in mind, this is just my experience:  Your milage may vary.

I hope you are all doing well.

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RE: not being notified of all text messages

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

It's a known bug that has yet to be fix by Appple. Some of us deal with it, but 
others are unaffected. It's supremely annoying. I usually have to restart my 
phone once a day. The restart helps, but only for a while. Sometimes, the rest 
of the day, sometimes, just hours.  

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not being notified of all text messages

When I noticed the messages that I missed in the MMessages app, VoiceOver did 
not say muted for any of them. W Ryan Mann Certified Assistive Technology 
Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Oct 22, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Make sure you haven't accidently muted certain conversations. It is pretty 
> obvious, though, if you did Voiceover would say the person's name followed by 
> "muted".
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ryan Mann
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 7:56 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: not being notified of all text messages
> 
> I am running iOS 17.03 on an iPhone XR.  For some text messages, I hear my 
> text tone and the message.  For other messages, I don’t even hear the tone 
> and the only way I know about them is if I go into the messages app.  There 
> does not seem to be any pattern of which messages I get notified about and 
> which ones I don’t.  I do not have any focus on and Do Not Disturb is not on 
> either.  Why would this be happening?
> 
> Ryan Mann
> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist 
> rmann0...@gmail.com
> 386-383-5175
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RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Using two numbers on my business cell. Tello and US Mobile. I don't have data 
on this phone, so I pay around $12 for each line.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

I suppose your phone would have to be unlocked to do this?


On Oct 18, 2023, at 3:16 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello LenRon,

This is great news.  

I've been thinking about doing this for a while and think I will take the 
proverbial plunge as a second number would be extremely useful, at times.

Thank you so much for your reply,

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

I am doing this and it works fine. At and TMobile are the companies.

On 10/18/23, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Is anyone currently using two eSIM cards on an iPhone?  You know, 
> using one telephone number as a primary and a second number as a secondary 
> number?
> 
> If so, how is that working for you?
> 
> Also, If you do have 2 eSIM cards currently installed, are they from 
> different wireless providers?
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Be My AI soon available for Be My Eyes users on iOS

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I’ve never really played around with shortcuts so don’t’ know if it’s either 
possible or if a shortcut already exists, but could you set something up where 
you can say something like “describe image” and have a photo taken and 
subsequently activate the BeMyAI feature wihtout having to open the BeMyEyes 
app or go into the sharesheet to select the same option? That or tie such a 
shortcut to the new action button skipping the voice prompt all together?

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 11:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI soon available for Be My Eyes users on iOS

 

The amount of detail you get from Be My AI when you take a picture of a photo, 
painting or even just a room is amazing.

I just randomly snapped a picture towards one side of our bedroom the other day 
and here is what Be My AI described:

 

The picture shows a cozy room with wooden flooring. On the left side, there is 
a wooden dresser with five drawers and a small TV on top of it. The wall above 
the dresser is plain with a light gray color. 

On the right side, there is a window with a white horizontal blind. The window 
has a wooden frame that matches the color of the dresser. 

In the bottom right corner, there is a wooden chair with armrests and a 
cushioned seat with a patterned fabric. There are clothes draped over the back 
of the chair. 

In the bottom center of the picture, there is a dog lying on a gray mat. The 
dog is light-colored, possibly a Labrador or a similar breed. Next to the dog, 
there is an orange toy. 

The room appears to be well-lit with natural light coming from the window.

 

All of the above is spot on including the fact that I do have a yellow, almost 
white labrador guide dog. 

The only "incorrect" description is the small TV, it is in fact my open laptop 
on top of the dresser. But I was holding the phone at about hip height when I 
was lying on my bed and the dresser is a bit higher, only the screen would be 
visible and not the keyboard.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 6:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Be My AI soon available for Be My Eyes users on iOS

 

Note personally identifiable information has been removed.

Subject: Be My AI soon available for Be My Eyes users on iOS

Announcing Be My AI with a screenshot of the app demonstrating Be My AI's 
describing capabilities

Hi dennis, 

 

We are thrilled to announce that Be My AI will soon be available to hundreds of 
thousands of Be My Eyes users on iOS devices worldwide! 

 

Thanks to the tremendous work of over 19,000 beta testers and the team at Be My 
Eyes, we’re moving to an open beta phase and releasing Be My AI to our

iPhone users starting this week. Over the next few weeks we will be adding more 
and more users every day, so that soon everyone using an iOS device will

have direct access to our new AI-powered feature. Make sure to keep your app 
updated. 

 

While using Be My AI is not intended to replace a white cane or a guide dog, 
using it in your everyday life is powerful, quick and simple. Once you have

access, open the Be My Eyes app, click on the ‘Be My AI’ tab, and take a 
picture of just about anything. Be My AI will give you a detailed description

of it, and you can chat and ask further questions to get more information. Be 
My AI is available now in any of 19 languages, with more to come. 

 

And don’t worry - if Be My AI can’t answer all your questions, if you want to 
check its results, or if you just need a little more assistance than Be My

AI can provide, you still can easily reach one of our dedicated volunteers, 
just like before. 

 

You can 

learn more about Be My AI and how to use it in our new blog post

or by visiting the 

Help Center

on our website. 

 

This global release of Be My AI into an open beta test means that hundreds of 
thousands of people will now be able to experience this exciting new tool.

Make sure to share the news with your friends, family and colleagues! 

 

Right now we’ll only be releasing Be My AI with users who use iOS devices. But 
Android users fear not. We are currently in a closed beta test of Be My

AI on Android devices, and we hope to make it more broadly available for open 
beta testing in the coming months. If you are interested in joining the Android

beta test, you can already 

sign up for the Android waitlist

in the Be My Eyes app. 

 

If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to us at 

supp...@bemyeyes.com <mailto:supp...@bemyeyes.com> .

 

 

And happy exploring! 

 

P.S: Do you know another blind or low-vision person who can benefit from this 
new feature? Make sure to forward this email to them and invite them to try out 
Be My AI 

RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Did you by any chance turn VO speech off? Three finger double tap toggles that 
setting.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Pinder
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

 

Hi All

 

I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays 
the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 
phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? 
Does anyone have any suggestions? 

Thanks a lot.

 

Best wishes

 

Paula

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RE: iOs doorbell

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Enough of a lag that it's the exception more than the rule that you can 
actually catch whoever rang the doorbell to inquire who it is or what they 
needed. 
Big brother concerns aside, whenever our Ring gives up the ghost, we'll 
probably opt for the Nest Doorbell. Facial recognition, detect if it's an 
animal triggering the motion sensor or if a package was dropped off etc.
I wouldn’t say that the ring is useless, but ... perhaps not as useful as one 
might think. If you're sighted, it's no big deal since you can just glance at 
the accompanying snapshot in the alert to see who it is. Be it for the motion 
sensor or doorbell, but that doesn't help us.
Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Star Gazer 
Subject: Re: iOs doorbell

Is there some hesitation from your iPhone between when the bell is rung and 
when your phone let's you answer it?  I've spoken to others that claim this.

Dave


On 9/8/2023 8:35 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>   We have a Ring doorbell and you can have it ring 
> through your phone and/or an Alexa. It works real well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Traci Duncan
> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 7:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iOs doorbell
>
> Hi all, I have a couple questions, which might seem silly. Have you heard of 
> a remote doorbell? Is there anything like this that I can activate with my 
> iPhone?
>
> I’m asking because we need to train our dog with better 
> doorbell/visitor behaviors. The tips are suggesting ringing a doorbell 
> when there are no visitors to begin associating that sound with 
> something positive. He is new to us and 10 years old. Keep your paws 
> crossed I can do this. ;)
>
> Thanks,
> Traci
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RE: Tracking distance walked

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I use my wife’s old Fitbit charge as she’s now an Apple watch user. I strap it 
to my ankle and forget about it. The ankle thing is actually pretty accurate, 
but the heart rate monitor feature isn’t reliable when you put it down there. 
The Fitbit unit itself isn’t accessible, but the iOS app is completely VO 
accessible. Very handy as I have a treadmill as well as an exercise bike.

I also use the vibrating alarm feature as my alarm in the morning so I don’t 
wake up my wife who is absolutely not a morning person

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 7:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Tracking distance walked

 

Try putting your phone in your front pocket so it moves with each step and see 
if that works.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
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Portillo
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 7:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Tracking distance walked

 

On a holster on my hip, or sometimes in my pocket.

I was bummed because there was a weekend where I had gone on vacation 
somewhere, and my apple watch wasn’t working for some reason, but my phone was. 
I had walked about a million steps during those couple days, but they never 
registered.



 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 7:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Tracking distance walked

 

Where do you carry your phone?

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Jim 
Portillo
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 7:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Tracking distance walked

 

You know what is interesting. I use the health app, but it only works for me 
when I’m wearing my watch. If I don’t wear it, my iPhone won’t pick up my 
steps. I’m not sure why.

I look at my results on my phone, so I know that the phone is talking to the 
watch.

I wonder how I can fix this.

Jim

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Tracking distance walked

 

I don’t use it myself, but my wife gets this information out of the Health app 
on her iPhone. She likes it because it’s always running.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Tracking distance walked

 

Hi,

 

I have Blind Square, Good Maps Outdoors, and Apple Maps on my iPhone.  I would 
like to use one of them to measure the distance I have walked.  Is there a way 
to do that?

 

Thanks.

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RE: Accessible Nespresso machines

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

With that budget, your best bet would be to get something along the lines of a 
Wacaco Picopresso: https://www.wacaco.com/products/picopresso  or maybe the 
Leverpresso: https://hughinc.com/collections/leverpresso
Flair also makes some good manual espresso machines, but they tend to have a 
lot of little parts and the workflow doesn't seem as simple. 
As you asked this on the ViPhone list, can I assume you're looking for 
Bluetooth or WiFi connectivity as well? Honestly, you're not going to find 
anything "smart" at that price point.
Breeville's Bambino line is a good starter machine, but even that will set you 
back depending on which one you want $400 to $500  . 
I just recently went through my espresso machine finding journey and it was 
harder than I thought. A lot of machines are automatic or semiautomatic and as 
always, capacitive buttons and touch screens are the big thing now so that 
makes our choices limited. 
I finally opted for the Cafelat Robot which is a manual lever espresso machine. 
No electronics or screens or buttons. Old school elbow grease. As accessible as 
you can get. Some folks even call the Leverpresso linked above  a poor man's 
Robot. I used a cashback credit card and in addition to an online code and the 
fact that I bought it from a Canadian store helped drive down the price for me, 
but even the Robot is upwards of $400. It punches way above its weight as a lot 
of the money goes into quality espresso making parts and materials. Many of 
those much more expensive machines are so expensive because there is a lot of 
metal and tubing and electronics to heat up water and to make sure it stays hot 
while going through the machine etc. all those espresso machines you see 
selling for $50 or $80 aren't worth bothering with. 
Good luck on finding something for your friend.

Cristóbal

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Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessible Nespresso machines

Hi,
No more than $200.
Jen

> On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Maybe the most you want to spend would help more rather than saying "not 
> looking for anything super expensive" because that is always a relative term. 
> For some not super expensive may mean $100 and for somebody else it may mean 
> $300 and considering some of these espresso/coffee machines can run into the 
> many thousands a number might be good.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Accessible Nespresso machines
> 
> Hi,
> I am looking to purchase an espresso machine for a friend who is totally 
> blind and I am wondering if there are certain models that are accessible with 
> the iPhone or some app because I was reading online that they have software 
> updates.  I know nothing about these machines being visually impaired well 
> with no vision I know that if they don't have a lot of extra stuff usually it 
> makes it easier to use.  Do they function along the same line as a Keurig 
> where are you put the pot in select what size you want then it just does the 
> rest on its own.  Are the pods just for coffee or do they make other hot 
> drinks.  Also not looking for anything super expensive.
> Thanks for any help and would be interested to know what you like or dislike 
> about this brand of machine
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RE: Talking cooking thermometers

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Let me ask just to be clear… With the  Weber thermometer and app, do you the 
VoiceOver user have to constantly flick away and back to the temperature 
display to get the current reading or can VO speak the temperature reading as 
it changes if you leave VO focus on that element? 

This would resolve so much and be incredibly helpful for when you’ve got both 
hands tied up or if you want to monitor the rate at which something is heating 
up. 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking cooking thermometers

 

The iGrill Mini by Weber is a leave-in meat probe that works with their ap. So 
the brains are bluetooth, but it has a very long wire to the brains, and you 
pair it with your iPhone. I've used it for a few years now and love. They do 
have models with more probes, but we never cook more than one thing at a time 
that needs temperature monitoring. It is available through Amazon.

E Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Aug 1, 2023, at 5:14 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I have as well the Kizen talking thermometer. It does read the temperature 
faster than the ThermowWorks RT8400, but the RT8400 does have that hands free 
feature which is super helpful and the RT8400’s probe is roughly one quarter of 
an inch longer than the Kizen. I did reach out to ThermoWorks asking about the 
BlueDot and whether the RT8400 could be bought, but with a longer or different 
probe. This is what I got back: 

“Hello Cristóbal, 
There is a possibility that your smartphone has features to assist you.  Your 
smart device, phone, or pad could access our program data if it has 
sight-impaired access features, and the phone read the areas of the program set 
up in the phone software settings.  I have talked to customers who are sight 
impaired and do this.  It has been a while, and the process wasn't perfect, but 
technology is always improving on smart devices, maybe technology has 
progressed enough to be a viable possibility for you.  I will pass your 
expressed needs on to our product development team, we are always working to 
improve our products.
You asked if the T8400 has an option for a longer probe.  There is only one 
size probe in our T8400 Talking Thermometer, the probe isn't removable, or 
interchangeable.
If you have any further questions, please let us know.
Best regards,
Beverly L. Bowman
Customer Care”

I didn’t expect much more than that, but it never hurts to ask.

I also posted my query about a hands free thermometer with a leave-in probe 
(attached to a wire/cable) option on the blind subreddit and someone did bring 
up Meater thermometers that supposedly can read out the temperature changes 
with VO, but they all seem to be wireless probes. Not exactly what I’m looking 
for. If anyone’s interested, their website is: https://meater.com/

I think ultimately, the solution to my search will be if one of the existing 
bluetooth thermometer app developers can make it so VO simply speaks out the 
display with the temperature readings as it changes. 

Anyway, the search continues I guess. 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Talking cooking thermometers

 

First of all, sorry for the "rumage", my keyboard is getting old and it 
sometimes ignores double presses of letters as in "rummage".

Also, here again the Dropbox link to my demo as I forgot to edit it the first 
time around:

 

Demo of Kizen InstaPen Pro Voice 
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7g469agslxkdikf7urssg/DV-2023-07-27-161413.mp3?rlkey=xj2j8p0gvwia4l1w6m2fpl75o=1>
 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 4:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Talking cooking thermometers

 

Hello,

 

This topic came up a week or two ago and while the talking instant read 
thermometer I am mentioning here is not in any way a smart device connected to 
an iPhone, I wanted to briefly write a few sentences about it because I feel 
that certain stand-alone speaking devices should not be off-topic as long as  
you compare them with Bluetooth or Wi-Fi models which connect to the phone.

Anyways, I bought the following model:

Kizen Instapen Pro Instant Read Meat Thermometer - Best Waterproof Thermometer 
with Talking Function, Backlight & Calibration. Digital Food Therm

RE: Talking cooking thermometers

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I have as well the Kizen talking thermometer. It does read the temperature 
faster than the ThermowWorks RT8400, but the RT8400 does have that hands free 
feature which is super helpful and the RT8400’s probe is roughly one quarter of 
an inch longer than the Kizen. I did reach out to ThermoWorks asking about the 
BlueDot and whether the RT8400 could be bought, but with a longer or different 
probe. This is what I got back: 

“Hello Cristóbal, 
There is a possibility that your smartphone has features to assist you.  Your 
smart device, phone, or pad could access our program data if it has 
sight-impaired access features, and the phone read the areas of the program set 
up in the phone software settings.  I have talked to customers who are sight 
impaired and do this.  It has been a while, and the process wasn't perfect, but 
technology is always improving on smart devices, maybe technology has 
progressed enough to be a viable possibility for you.  I will pass your 
expressed needs on to our product development team, we are always working to 
improve our products.
You asked if the T8400 has an option for a longer probe.  There is only one 
size probe in our T8400 Talking Thermometer, the probe isn't removable, or 
interchangeable.
If you have any further questions, please let us know.
Best regards,
Beverly L. Bowman
Customer Care”

I didn’t expect much more than that, but it never hurts to ask.

I also posted my query about a hands free thermometer with a leave-in probe 
(attached to a wire/cable) option on the blind subreddit and someone did bring 
up Meater thermometers that supposedly can read out the temperature changes 
with VO, but they all seem to be wireless probes. Not exactly what I’m looking 
for. If anyone’s interested, their website is: https://meater.com/

I think ultimately, the solution to my search will be if one of the existing 
bluetooth thermometer app developers can make it so VO simply speaks out the 
display with the temperature readings as it changes. 

Anyway, the search continues I guess. 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking cooking thermometers

 

First of all, sorry for the "rumage", my keyboard is getting old and it 
sometimes ignores double presses of letters as in "rummage".

Also, here again the Dropbox link to my demo as I forgot to edit it the first 
time around:

 

Demo of Kizen InstaPen Pro Voice 
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7g469agslxkdikf7urssg/DV-2023-07-27-161413.mp3?rlkey=xj2j8p0gvwia4l1w6m2fpl75o=1>
 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 4:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Talking cooking thermometers

 

Hello,

 

This topic came up a week or two ago and while the talking instant read 
thermometer I am mentioning here is not in any way a smart device connected to 
an iPhone, I wanted to briefly write a few sentences about it because I feel 
that certain stand-alone speaking devices should not be off-topic as long as  
you compare them with Bluetooth or Wi-Fi models which connect to the phone.

Anyways, I bought the following model:

Kizen Instapen Pro Instant Read Meat Thermometer - Best Waterproof Thermometer 
with Talking Function, Backlight & Calibration. Digital Food Thermometer

Here are links for both Amazon Canada and Amazon.com:

 

Amazon Canada link 
<https://www.amazon.ca/Kizen-InstapenPro-Instant-Read-Thermometer/dp/B07F2ZZVP4/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=kizen+instapen+pro+voice=1690496082=8-1>
 

Amazon.com link 
<https://www.amazon.com/Kizen-Instapen-Instant-Read-Thermometer/dp/B07F2ZZVP4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=143VQYWQ2JI6I=Kizen+Instapen+Pro+Instant+Read+Meat+Thermometer+-+Best+Waterproof+Thermometer+with+Talking+Function%2C+Backlight+%26+Calibration.+Digital+Food+Thermometer=1690497952=kizen+instapen+pro+instant+read+meat+thermometer+-+best+waterproof+thermometer+with+talking+function%2C+backlight+%26+calibration.+digital+food+thermometer%2Caps%2C165=8-1>
 

 

>From Amazon Canada this is currently available for $39.50 Canadian, on 
>Amazon.com is is only $21.20 US, but before anybody from Canada thinks they 
>can get a deal, make sure you notice where it says "No Import Fees Deposit & 
>$9.74 Shipping to Canada". If you add up $21.20 and $9.74 you end up with 
>$30.94 US which is approx. $41 Canadian so definitely no savings here.

 

When I received it it came in a small cardboard box and it looked and felt 
well-made. There is a display on one side and above it are 3 buttons, the 
middle one you press to make it speak the temperature, the left one (if you 
look at it with the tip folded out and pointing up) switches from Fahrenheit to 
Celsius and th

RE: Accessible meat thermometer

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

For what it's worth, I wrote ThermoWorks late last week before stumbling upon 
this thread. Their response 
"Thank you for your email. Currently, we only have the RT8400 with the talking 
feature. Our Signals are app-based, and you can have your device or phone read 
the screen, but we have no leave-in probe that will talk with every computer 
increase or decrease. 
 I am happy to discuss the Signals with you. 
 Wireless Connectivity: Monitor using your phone or tablet
With both Bluetooth and Wi-Fi built in, Signals broadcasts the details of your 
cook to whomever, wherever in the world.
 4 Channels: Monitor your cooker and multiple meats
View all four channels, including High and Low Alarms and Min and Max 
temperatures for each, on the big, bold display or on your smart device.
 Intelligent, Durable Design: Features that add up to quality and useability
Splash-proof molding for durable outside use, and magnetic backing for added 
placement options. Outlasts the competition by years."
I haven't written back yet, but I'm guessing I won't get too much useful info 
regarding their iOS app and VO accessibility.  It appears that they've got a 
restocking fee depending on the condition of the item. " If a product is 
returned without a return authorization number, is damaged, worn, or is missing 
parts or packaging, a restocking fee may be assessed." 
I roasted some coffee beans on the stove yesterday and used my ThermoWorks 
thermometer. While the first time you press the talk button, it does seem to 
take a bit to get the first reading, but after that, readings are fast and 
again, you can have the thermometer read out temps as they change. This hands 
free feature really is helpful since often you may have both hands busy and or 
don't want to be touching your phone's screen depending on what you're 
cooking/making.
I agree, if someone's already using one of these units, it would be great if 
they can do a little demo With VoiceOver. That or if there's already another 
smart thermometer out there that can be used hands free, it would be great if 
they can mention the model.
Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 1:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessible meat thermometer

Tom, not sure if you would be willing to do this, but if you are, could you do 
a little demo of the Blue Dot by which I mean a recording where you show how it 
works say in a cup of water and how it reads in the app, e.g. if you open the 
app and put focus on it, will it read continuously? This could be demonstrated 
by putting a cup with cold water in the sink with the Blue Dot in it and let it 
read out the temperature, then add warm or hot water to show how it reads the 
increasingly warmer temperatures (if that is how it works).

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 4:33 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Accessible meat thermometer

You can also get the Blue Dot from thermo works.  The probe is Blue tooth and 
communicates with your iPhone.


> On Jul 15, 2023, at 3:37 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> The webber grill one has a leave-in probe with a cable about a yard long.  I 
> You can swipe the phone at any point to hear the current temperature.
> At 05:03 PM 7/15/2023, you wrote:
>> I've had the ThermoWorks thermometer for a few years and while not instant 
>> in its readings, off hand, I don't think it takes five or six seconds to 
>> speak readings. One thing I like about it is that by double pressing the 
>> button for it to speak readings, you can have it announce readings as they 
>> change making it a hands free solution. Unfortunately though, the probe is 
>> less than five inches long.
>> I've been in search of a talking thermometer with a leave-in meat probe, but 
>> have had no luck. I did buy the Oregon Scientific AW131 Wireless Talking BBQ 
>> Oven Thermometer as it's advertise as a talking thermometer and while it 
>> does indeed have a leave-in probe, it seems it'll only speak as you're 
>> getting/hit the temperature you set. While in my case my sighted wife could 
>> help me set the temp since there's really no way of doing so without sight, 
>> it unfortunately doesn't have the function that the ThermoWorks thermometer 
>> or other basic talking thermometers have by simply pressing a button to 
>> speak temperature readings or as the readings change.
>> My first and ideal choice would be to have a talking thermometer with a 
>> leave-in probe, but as that appears to not be the case, I am resigning 
>> myself to checking out smart options.
>> Let me ask, with the iGrill/Weber probe and app, does the app speak 
>> temperature readings as they change or do you the iPhone user have

RE: Spring for Twitter

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

You don't need to turn off 2FA anymore. I didn't when I logged back in over the 
weekend anyway. I hadn't used Spring up until it just started working again as 
I didn't want to disable 2FA on my account.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wendy Lin
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 7:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Spring for Twitter

Yeah it’s strange about the new 2FA rule. We can’t use our phone number 
anymore. I was prompt to removing my phone number. So now my 2FA is completely 
turned off unfortunately. I wonder when will Elon leave? It’s probably been 
more than 6 weeks by now since the news about Linda taking over as the Twitter 
CEO.

> On Jul 15, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> It started working again last night after the latest ap update hit the app 
> store. I just had to log in again and grant access to Spring. I guess we'll 
> see how long it lats this time. I believe it worked earlier than yesterday, 
> but my understanding was that you had to disable 2FA which I wasn't 
> interested in doing. I suppose the developer figured out a workaround to that 
> limitation. 
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Wendy Lin
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 4:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Spring for Twitter
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’ve heard of it but never really used it myself. I’ve always used the 
> regular Twitter app and sometimes the web client for things like making 
> account modifications which we can’t do on the Twitter app.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Friends,
>> 
>> Does Spring still work on Twitter?  The last I remember it had died 
>> again after its reincarnation.  Please do inform.
>> 
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RE: Is Hoopla Accessible?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Accessible? Yes... Intuitive? Meh... 
I don't have a problem with playing a checked out audiobook per se, but the 
playback speed picker can sometimes be picky and in general, there's a lot of 
extra scrolling and tapping that can make the app overall a chore to use 
sometimes. 
I do my audiobook searches and whatnot on the website with my PC, but for me 
anyway, the audiobook player in the app is fine so I do all my listening on my 
iPhone.
Hoopla's really a good service. I’m fortunate in that I have a Los Angeles 
Public Library card which is like the second or third  largest library system 
in the US. Therefore, their catalog selection s quite vast. I've saved myself a 
ton of Audible credits by checking Hoopla and the other library systems I'm a 
member of first to see if they have a particular title before pulling the 
trigger on Audible. 
The one thing that sucks about Hoopla and Libby for that matter; for those of 
us who are members of multiple library systems, is that you can't do a global 
search with all the systems you have a library card to like you can on 
Overdrive.com. 

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 6:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is Hoopla Accessible?

In addition to Hoopla, there's also Canopy. It's been a while since I brought 
them up, but I believe everything is accessible except for the players. If I 
remember correctly, they're still usable but you can't get to all of the 
features, like fast forward, rewind, ... You will need a library card, but 
other than that, they're free, so you can check them out with no risk.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 11:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is Hoopla Accessible?

I found out about them from a sighted person as one more source of audio books. 
 Thanks in advance for Any opinions about them

Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

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RE: Spring for Twitter

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

It started working again last night after the latest ap update hit the app 
store. I just had to log in again and grant access to Spring. I guess we'll see 
how long it lats this time. I believe it worked earlier than yesterday, but my 
understanding was that you had to disable 2FA which I wasn't interested in 
doing. I suppose the developer figured out a workaround to that limitation. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wendy Lin
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 4:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Spring for Twitter

Hello,

I’ve heard of it but never really used it myself. I’ve always used the regular 
Twitter app and sometimes the web client for things like making account 
modifications which we can’t do on the Twitter app.


> On Jul 6, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> 
> Hi Friends,
> 
> Does Spring still work on Twitter?  The last I remember it had died 
> again after its reincarnation.  Please do inform.
> 
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RE: Accessible meat thermometer

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I've had the ThermoWorks thermometer for a few years and while not instant in 
its readings, off hand, I don't think it takes five or six seconds to speak 
readings. One thing I like about it is that by double pressing the button for 
it to speak readings, you can have it announce readings as they change making 
it a hands free solution. Unfortunately though, the probe is less than five 
inches long. 
I've been in search of a talking thermometer with a leave-in meat probe, but 
have had no luck. I did buy the Oregon Scientific AW131 Wireless Talking BBQ 
Oven Thermometer as it's advertise as a talking thermometer and while it does 
indeed have a leave-in probe, it seems it'll only speak as you're getting/hit 
the temperature you set. While in my case my sighted wife could help me set the 
temp since there's really no way of doing so without sight, it unfortunately 
doesn't have the function that the ThermoWorks thermometer or other basic 
talking thermometers have by simply pressing a button to speak temperature 
readings or as the readings change. 
My first and ideal choice would be to have a talking thermometer with a 
leave-in probe, but as that appears to not be the case, I am resigning myself 
to checking out smart options.
Let me ask, with the iGrill/Weber probe and app, does the app speak temperature 
readings as they change or do you the iPhone user have to swipe away and back 
on that element in order for VO to speak the readings? IN other words, with the 
app open, is it a hands free operation from there? If not, is there another 
smart option that lets you monitor temperature in real time without having to 
tap on the iPhone screen?

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Penny 
Reeder
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessible meat thermometer

Have you tested the app with VoiceOver? Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> Webber sells a thermometer that communicates with the iPhone. There is a 
> probe to put into the meat with a cable about three feet long with a disk 
> looking thingy at the other end.  You tell the app what kind of meet you are 
> cooking, and it tells the iPhone the temperature you want.  then you put the 
> meat on the grill and close it, the cable connected to a little thingy at one 
> end and the probe at the other, blue tooth to the iPhone.  As the meat heats, 
> the phone reports the temperature.  When it reaches the temperature it has 
> told you the meat should be, an alarm sounds.  It's amazing!
> 
> The thingy only says "Webber Grill'; the app says "thermo", so I don't know 
> how best to identify it.  It's awesome, though.
> At 02:06 PM 7/15/2023, you wrote:
>> Please let us know how the one you just ordered seems. I am interested in 
>> instant readings and accuracy. Thanks’ Penny
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 15, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A link to a talking thermometer dfrom Thermoworks was posted recently, 
>>> unfortunately the talking version says it has a reading time of I think 5-6 
>>> seconds whereas a sighted person gets a reading with the newer Thermopen 
>>> One in 1-2 seconds.
>>> 
>>> I just ordered another brand from Amazon, somebody has posted about it a 
>>> while back, but I don't have it yet. I think it said it is supposed to giv 
>>> ve a reading in 2-3 seconds.
>>> 
>>> Anyways, here is the link to the talking thermometer from Thermoworks, once 
>>> again, I feel this is a cheaper version of the Thermopen because the 
>>> Classic Thermopen is currently on sale for $59.99 and the newer Thermopen 
>>> One costs $99.99 whereas this talking model is only $41:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <https://www.thermoworks.com/talking-thermometer/>ThermoWorks RT8400 
>>> Digital Talking Thermometer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Penny Reeder
>>> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 12:09 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Accessible meat thermometer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What I really want -- and have been looking for, for literally years, is a 
>>> Thermopen that talks! If anyone ever finds one, I hope you'll spread the 
>>> word far and wide! Maybe one of us who is particularly persuasive can 
>>> persuade the company to add a speaking function? (That would be wonderful!)
&

RE: Enjoy your Instant Pot while it lasts - the company has filed for bankruptsy

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I’ve had my Bluetooth IP for eight or so years now. I always expected it to 
last longer than the supported app and for a while, that seemed to be the case 
until I guess enough people complained about the situation where they put out 
an app update. I suppose now we’ll see how long the Bluetooth app continues to 
function. Although, Fresco which also supports “smart” appliances including 
Instant Pot is still going strong, so maybe that’ll be an option for WiFi model 
owners… Who knows, maybe the API will end up being open source too…

I don’t’ know about “traditional” and all. I mean, use the tools available to 
you. It’s basically a pressure cooker and what’s untraditional about that? I 
still use my IP all the time. I expect I’ll just have to mark up the buttons 
when the app finally gives up the ghost, but it’s not like it’s going to or 
should keel  over any time soon. Bummer they’re going belly up though. I 
haven’t really paid attention since I have no need for one, but I’m guessing 
there are other smart options similar to what the IP does out there by now. 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 11:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Enjoy your Instant Pot while it lasts - the company has filed for 
bankruptsy

 

I know many on the list bought into the Instant Pot craze about 4 or 5 years 
ago, I kept considering it and was waitiand waiting for the new Smart model 
(not the Bluetooth one) to come out and to be available for a reasonable price 
here in Canada. At one point it was somewhat reasonable, but I thought it would 
go on sale again and then it didn't and then it seemed to disappear. Now I just 
came across an article on CBC News about Instant Brands which apparently came 
into existance when Instant Pot and Corelle Brands merged, another rwell-known 
brand which  is part of that company's port folio is Pyrex cookware. In the 
article it says that Instant Brands has gone into Chapter 11 bankruptsy 
protection and that the assets of the company may be liquidated. Of course it 
is quite possible that maybe some other outfit picks up some or all of the 
pieces although I believe the era of the Instant Pot and similar all-in-one 
cooking appliances has passed and was nothing more than a fad. In the end I am 
glad I didn't get one of these gadgets as I actually do like cooking according 
to more traditional methods making things from scratch and with local 
ingredients including those we grow in our own garden in the summer and fall. . 
For anybody who is interested, here is a link to the article:

 

Instant Brands, maker of Instant Pot and Pyrex cookware, files for bankruptcy | 
CBC News <https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/instant-brands-bankruptcy-1.6874487> 

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Paraphrasing... 
Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
Me: I want to call my wife.
Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
Me: Yes, Call my wife.
Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot garbage 
all these years later. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17. 

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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I went ahead and changed the Siri voice to Aaron as well. I guess I'll see if 
it makes any difference on my end. I will say though, talk about having to get 
used to it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rob 
Armstrong
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Others may correct me if what I say is wrong.  Yes, I think Samantha is a Siri 
voice.  But I agree that it's hard to tell because the Siri voices are now 
labeled Voice 1, Voice 2, ETC.

I currently use the Aaron VoiceOver voice.  That voice is now called Voice 1 
for Siri.

Does anyone have a list of the person names for the Siri voices?

Rob

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

I'm already using the Samantha VoiceOver voice. 
Unless Samantha is considered a Siri voice?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I'm already using the Samantha VoiceOver voice. 
Unless Samantha is considered a Siri voice?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Switch your voiceover voice from a siri voice to a voiceover voice & it will 
stop the frequent screen curtain message. This suggestion comes from Apple & 
worked for me.

DonnaSounds serious, have never done it, what would this affect besides 
possibly this issue.
> Dan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> Have you tried doing a hard reboot?
> Mr. Ed
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on
> 
> My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think 
> that the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen 
> actually lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and 
> the focus is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me 
> on webpages and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no 
> idea how to make it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could 
> always try restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it 
> starts happening too often.  
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>> 
>> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my 
>> screen curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of 
>> reading something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I 
>> have typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, 
>> and to add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

My phone's been doing this since I don't know when. I just figure it was one of 
those VO quirks that randomly happen. I know it was going on since at least iOS 
15.x when all the other extraneous VO chatter really started, but before that, 
I couldn't say. I'm going to have to pay attention about the being placed at 
the top of the screen part next time it happens. Off-hand, I don't recall if 
that's the case on my XR.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Hi Christopher, you should try to work with screen curtain on for an extended 
period of time and I believe you will find that whenever this happens if you 
have screen curtain on Voiceover will say "screen curtain on" just as if you 
were restarting Voiceover.
For me clearing the app switcher or restarting the phone does not seem to make 
a difference or if it dcoes it is short-lived; I have an iPhone 13 Pro.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

Once in a great while, I'll have the issue where my focus keeps jumping to the 
top of the screen. I think it has to do with either an IOS update or changing 
my TTS voice. Clearing out my App Switcher and restarting the phone always 
takes care of  this for me.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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Stahl
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

My iphone 8 does this all the time, and yes, its rather annoying.  I think that 
the particular app is refreshing itself or something.  The screen actually 
lights up for a second and then the screen curten returns again and the focus 
is usually moved to the top of the page.  This often happens for me on webpages 
and photos, but it also happens in other apps too.  I have no idea how to make 
it stop, its just something that I put up with.  You could always try 
restarting your phone and or emptying the app switcher if it starts happening 
too often.

> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>
> For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
> curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
> something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have 
> typically kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to 
> add some privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring?
> Dan
>
>
>
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ISO an accessible VOIP for business alternative to Google Voice

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Hello list,

I’ve been using Google Voice for my business line and it’s worked well
enough till now, but I’ve recently been having reliability issues with it.
Calls not coming through, dropped calls, poor call quality and in general
just not a smooth user experience. Then again, you get what you pay for
right…

Therefore, I’m in search of a VOIP replacement and as always, accessibility
is priority #1.

I’ve poked around and OpenPhone    seems to be a
service that pops up as one of the better options out there. There are a
bunch of others with robust features and all that, but I don’t need video
call capability and all the analytics breakdowns etc. Just call and text
capability on iOS and PC (be it a desktop app and or the web). I’m also not
looking to pay $30 plus a month per line/user.

I currently use Nextiva   for my virtual fax and
while they do offer VOIP packages, you check out their reviews and man… talk
about rough. I’ve got no complaints about the fax side of things, but the
VOIP feedback gives you pause. That and they can get expensive real quick.

So, all that said, has anyone put OpenPhone through its paces? Is the iOS
app accessible? Any accessibility deal breakers? Again, this would be for
calls and texts on PC and iOS. 

If not OpenPhone, then is there another VOIP for business alternative out
there that plays nice with the iPhone? 

Also, I’m an MS Office 365 for business user so simply upgrading to paid
Google Voice with their G Suite or Google Workspace or whatever they’re
calling it now isn’t something I’m going to really do.

Thanks,

 

 

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RE: Home button gestures on an iPad

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

The assistive touch button is a very useful feature. How to Enable a Virtual 
Home Button on iPhone or iPad with AssistiveTouch 

 

I’ve used it in the past when the home button on one of my older phones was all 
wonky and I didn’t feel like hassling with trying to fix it.

It’s also convenient to have with all the larger sized iPhones. On my XR, I 
have it placed on the right side of the screen (I’m right handed) just above 
the dock of apps. Not necessary, but it’s still nice to have options to do this 
or that gesture 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home button gestures on an iPad

 

How do you do things like access Siri, reach the app switcher, and control 
Voiceover like you would do with presses of the home button?

 

Andy

 

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From: Robert Doc Wright   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 6:35 PM

Subject: Re: Home button gestures on an iPad

 

translation slide up until you feel a vibration or a higher pitched tone than 
the one you heard when you touch the iPad at the bottom.

- Original Message - 

From: Jennie Facer   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 5:12 PM

Subject: Home button gestures on an iPad

 

Hi Andy, 

 

What i would suggest is sliding up from the bottom of the screen until you feel 
a couple of bumps. I think it could be the same for sighted people, just 
without VoiceOver’s clicks.

 

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi 



 

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

There’s still that annoying dictation bug where what you say is often inserted 
twice, but not a show stopper per se.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com   
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: Accessibility of Acaia apps and scales

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

What can I say? We all have our hobbies and vices. I don’t smoke, rarely drink 
and don’t’ get high. But I’m a sucker for some quality coffee…

These scales are of course ridiculously overpriced. Even most coffee folks will 
say so, but it’s not like we have many options. Smart or regular scale, there 
just aren’t that many out there we can use that can weigh to the tenth or 
hundredth of a gram which is what you need for good coffee or espresso and is 
also accessible. If it were up to me, I’d just buy a cheap jewelry scale for 
like 15 bucks off of Amazon, but alas…

Thing is, I’m sure the Smart Chef scale is fast enough, but what’s laggy is the 
voice prompt built into the app that announces the weight as you pour. I have 
another kitchen scale that I prefer called the Drop Scale which I believe I’ve 
recommended on here before, but unfortunately that one doesn’t fit between the 
legs on the base of my espresso machine (10.5 CM). With that scale, you just 
swipe VoiceOver focus to the element that displays the weight and VO reads it 
in real time and is nice and responsive. No separate voice announcements 
included.

I think I’m going to have to post this inquiry on AppleVis too and see if I 
have any luck there as I haven’t gotten any feedback on this or any other lists 
I’ve posted too. Not even Reddit… 

Ah well…

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2023 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility of Acaia apps and scales

 

Hi Cristobal, reading your email I am sure glad I don't like coffee! 藍

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2023 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Accessibility of Acaia apps and scales

 

Hello list,

So I currently use the Smart Chef kitchen scale from Reflex for making coffee 
as well as with my espresso machine. The app’s accessible and everything, but 
the spoken announcement of the measurement as you pour is on the laggy side. 
Therefore, I’m in search of a more responsive and accessible alternative. 

Acaia has a series of coffee/espresso scales that are on the higher end of 
Smart coffee scales. The Pearl S scale 
<https://acaia.co/collections/coffee-scales/products/pearl-model-s?variant=43635168968932>
  apparently speaks the measurement and time as you pour independent of an app. 
If I had my choice, I’d probably opt for this one straight away. Unfortunately 
though, it won’t fit in between the legs of my espresso machine (Cafelat 
Robot). They also have two other scales. The Lunar scale 
<https://acaia.co/collections/coffee-scales/products/lunar_2021?variant=43059769606372>
  that has the same dimensions of the Smart Chef scale as well as the Pyxis 
scale 
<https://acaia.co/collections/coffee-scales/products/pyxis?variant=42060048728292>
  which is super tiny, but will fit. These unfortunately do not have voice 
prompts like the Pearl. 

Does anyone here use any of these scales? Are the Acaia apps at all accessible 
and if so, how’s the latency with speaking the liquid as you pour? Their scales 
have a bunch of other features like visual graphs where you can compare 
different espresso shot profiles, but I’m mostly interested in being able to 
know the pouring info as well as the timer.  I currently use a separate 
interval timer app as well as the Smart Chef scale app to measure out my shots 
and pour-overs and while that workflow is accessible enough, the lagginess of 
the Smart Chef scale makes pulling a precise espresso shot harder.

I did already reach out to Acaia with this same inquiry and this is their 
response: “We have previously worked with visually impaired people to develop 
technology to assist them with coffee brewing. This work and research led to 
incorporating sound and voice into the new Pearl S scale we released in 
November 2022. In addition to the Pearl S scale, we have made some of our 
supplemental applications, such as Brewmaster, compatible with native 
text-to-voice software on iOS and most Android mobile devices.”

While this is an encouraging response, we all know “accessible” can mean 
different things to different people. I was hoping for some real world blind 
user feedback since the prices for these scales aren’t for the faint of heart. 

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

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RE: Voice dream Reader for Mac

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Ah… now if only they’d come out with a Windows version. 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2023 10:20 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Fwd: Voice dream Reader for Mac

 

Hi Richard and all,

 

I got the following response from Voice Dream reader support. It’s cool that 
the same subscription covers both; certainly a good deal for Mac users.

 

Best,

Anna

 





Begin forwarded message:

 

From: "Voice Dream Support" 

Subject: Re: Voice dream Reader for Mac

Date: April 27, 2023 at 8:50:39 PM CDT

To: "Anna Dresner" 

 

Hi Anna,

 

The subscription will work for both the Mac app and the iOS app. It will take 
another week or so to make sure the subscriptions are unified, but if you 
purchase one, it will work for the other. Hope that helps!

 

Voice Dream Support



 

 

On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 11:14 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hello, 

I understand that the iOS version of Voice dream reader is going to a 
subscription of $60 a year for new users. Is the Mac version also changing 
owners, and if so, how will the subscription work for that? I use the Mac 
version and have the $50 a year subscription. Will that cost remain the same? 
Will there be a price break for new users who use both versions? 

Thanks, 
Anna

 

 

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RE: Voice Dream Reader subscription details from the new owners, Applause Group

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Justify? It’s their app now. They can charge what they see fit at this point. 
If you already bought it, you have nothing to worry about anyway. 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelby 
Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 7:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader subscription details from the new owners, 
Applause Group

 

The only specific improvement they noted on the AppleVis forum was new voices; 
there's no way that justifies such a drastic increase in price. I would want to 
know much more about improvements they hope to make that would justify this 
than I do now to be convinced; "it's not sustainable" is simply not an adequate 
answer. It's wise of them to grandfather old users in; I'd seriously consider 
re-purchasing a Victor Reader Stream or going back to my old Apex to read books 
rather than pay that much.





On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:39 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Your crystal ball must be amazing! To assert that no improvements will come on 
the first day of a change is ludicris at best. 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Apr 25, 2023, at 6:28 PM, Kelby Carlson mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com> > wrote:



This is a terrible decision, and it doesn't sound like the subscription will 
come with actual improvements. In general this kind of a subscription model for 
static products is repugnat, but especially so when it comes to something as 
basic as reading books. Imagine if Ambutech suddenly announced it was making 
use of their canes contingent on monthly payments; it would be outrageous.

 

I hope someone develops a free or single-purchase alternative in light of this.





On Apr 25, 2023, at 7:51 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

As far as I know, there was never a free version of Voice Dream Reader. It used 
to have a fixed price and now it’s going to a subscription model. From what 
others have said on this list, the fixed price version will continue to be 
supported and get updates.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader subscription details from the new owners, 
Applause Group

 

Especailly here in Latinamerica especially, if the person doesn’t have the 
means to pay for the subscription, opting to remain with the free version of 
Voice Dream REader, what limitations could be encountered?

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel






El 25 abr 2023, a la(s) 4:05 p.m., Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > escribió:



Greetings all,

 

I’ve been in contact with the new owners of Voice Dream Reader.

Current users will be “GrandFathered in” so will not have to pay the 
subscription fee.  

New users, as of today, April 25th, 2023, will have to subscribe.  The current 
price is $59.99 per year.  That may go down in time.

In my humble opinion, that is a very reasonable price for such a fabulous app.  
That works out to $5.00 per month.

I have used Voice Dream Reader since its first year in the app store.  I would 
gladly pay $59.99 per year because it is such a great app!  I just want the app 
to continue to improve, which I believe it will.

 

Here is a statement from the new owner/developer of Voice Dream Reader:

When a new user downloads the app, they will see a subscription screen that 
explains the app a bit more, the price and a button to start a free trial. 

An important difference between the paid upfront and the subscription model is 
that we'll be offering a free trial, so anyone can try the app and see if it's 
worth it for them without spending any money. 

The free trial will be 7 days as of the date a new user starts using the app.

 

The support email will continue to be supp...@voicedream.com 
<mailto:supp...@voicedream.com>  

 

the Applause Group purchased the app and the brand from Winston Chen so the 
contact email won’t change.

 

For those who also use, or will use, the Scanner and Writer apps from Winston, 
they will remain his property and will be renamed to VDScan and VDWrite and 
will not be subscriptions.

The new names will probably show up in the app store in a week or so.

Winston’s new company will be named Opus Noma.

 

HTH,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

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RE: Speech Central

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Write the developer with this feedback so they can improve upon the app with 
future releases. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelby 
Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speech Central

A few people have recommended Speech Central as a potential alternative to 
VoiceDream Reader. I've been exploring it, especially reading PDF files. There 
are a couple of obvious issues that make it unworkable for me as an 
alternative. First, the maximum speed of the voice is way too low; and second, 
there is no easy way to move by page, which is extremely odd for an app that 
reads PDF files. Overall, it has a promising interface, but even just those two 
problems are dealbreakers.

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RE: Pit boss grilling app

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Let me ask, with any of these Bluetooth thermometers, is or can the temperature 
readings  be announced in the background or do you have to be in the app itself 
in order to get access to the thermometer probe feedback?

I roast my own coffee and currently use a talking thermometer which works, but 
is kind of a janky setup. I already use the stopwatch  app on my phone to time 
the roast. Thus my interest in something that doesn’t require its app to be 
open in order to get that feedback.

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
James
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pit boss grilling app

 

I use the Weber Smart Connect Hub.  You get an ambient probe for measuring your 
grill’s temperature and a meat probe.  I have a spare one from an iGrill I got 
a few years ago.  I also use a Weber Kettle 22 inch.  I’ve smoked plenty of 
ribs, chicken, pork butts, and other meats on there.  Oh yeah, and plenty of 
beer and tunes!

 

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max





On Apr 25, 2023, at 12:21 AM, joseph hudson mailto:jhud7...@twc.com> > wrote:

Hi Chris, I found the messaging question that you had brought up. I didn't 
find a come pleat thread. But here I believe is the message that you are 
speaking of. And I believe that these archives are public. So you don't have to 
be a member to read them.

 



 
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On Apr 24, 2023, at 4:14 PM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> > mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I recall about a year ago we had a discussion about smokers on the blind 
handyman list. I can’t remember the exact issue but I seem to remember a user 
having issues with the app, and when they called pit boss customer support the 
support was so atrocious that they ended up returning the pit boss grill and 
getting a Treger. I yeard the treger app was ok but I haven’t used it 
personally.

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com< 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2023 5:08 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pit boss grilling app

 

Hello Kayla,

 

I was going to tell you that Pit Boss uses the same app as Louisiana Grills and 
that app is called "Smoke It". You may or may not know that both Pit Boss and 
Louisiana Grill are brands owned by the same company, Danson LLC.

I sell Louisiana Grill at my retail store and personally own a Founders Series 
1200 and the app can be used, but it's not great and I had to have sighted help 
at first because sometimes Voiceover reads stuff in the app which visually is 
not there so you sort of have to know what you can tap and how to use it.

I was told by my Canadian distributor of Louisiana Grill that apparently the 
company is working on a new app, but that was last year and I haven't heard 
anything further. I live in Northwestern British Columbia and our winter is a 
full 5 months from November through March and while a few people use their wood 
pellet grills throughout the year, the main season for this sort of stuff up 
here is definitely from mid or late April (around now basically) to the middle 
or end of October. There is a lot of salmon fishing here so September and 
October are big month for people smoking their fish.

 

Now, I just opened my Smoke It app for the first time this year and immediately 
received a pop-up message that Pit Boss now has their own app and typing "Pit 
boss" into the search field of the App Store did find it easily enough. What is 
not at all clear is whether this new Pit Boss app is supposed to work also with 
the Louisiana Grill products or not and calling their customer service line 
today wasn't much use as they are not open on Sundays. I will, however, call 
them tomorrow to find out because both Smoke It as well as the newer Pit Boss 
app get pretty bad ratings and they really should get their act together.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly subscription?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

It is, but for new accounts only. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Leo Bado
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice Dream Reader for IOS, yearly suscription?

 

Hi everyone, is it true that Voice Dream Reader for IOS is changing to a yearly 
subscription model? Or is this just a rumor?

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

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Users complain about bug causing Apple devices to constantly ask for Apple ID password [U]

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Just an FYI in case others have experienced this. And here I thought I had
somehow gotten malware on my phone. 

https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/15/bug-apple-devices-ask-apple-id-password/ 

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RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Have been doing so with every iOS release since it first popped up. It is super 
annoying and is a big time productivity killer

Cristóbal

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Hi folks 

I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media 
groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read so 
that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct your 
phrases. 

Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.

Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call 
accessibil...@apple.com 

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Spring for Twitter's working again

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

So I was mildly surprised when I came across an update for Spring in the app
store this morning. I was even more surprised to discover it works again. I
just had to go through the authentication process while logging into Twitter
(in my case, I used 1Password as my 2FA option as I’d opted out of the SMS
option a few days ago) and that was it. 

So far, so good. Everything’s working as it should. Whether it’ll last… who
knows.

Just thought I’d drop a note to the list.

 

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RE: weird issue with capitalone 365 and voiceover

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

She literally typed “I’ve uninstalled and reinstalled the app.”

I know I did a transfer from an external account to my Capital One savings 
account this past Tuesday, but I want to say there was an app update since 
then. Maybe Wednesday? It’s possible it was a funky update for some VO users.

I’ll try going through the process later, but am in the middle of something 
right now.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Logan
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: weird issue with capitalone 365 and voiceover

 

Works as expected for me.  I just did a test and no issues.  Have you deleted 
and reinstalled the app?

 

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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 7:25 AM
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Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: weird issue with capitalone 365 and voiceover

 

All:

I have an iPhone 13 Pro max running iOS 16.3.1.

Capitalone Mobile app version 5.109.1.

Issue is with Voiceover running, I cannot transfer money to and from an 
external account to any of my Capitalone accounts. If voiceover is off, a 
sighted person can select the external account and it works fine. Web site 
works fine. I’ve uninstalled and reinstalled the app. Tried screen recognition, 
etc.

Repro steps:

1.  Log in to Capitalone mobile app.
2.  Double tap an account from the list.
3.  Double tap transfer.
4.  On from account, double tap the external account at the end of the list 
under heading external accounts.
5.  When you are returned to the screen notice it chose the last account in 
the capitalone list.

 

 

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RE: OverDrive app being retired

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

As a sidenote, I always do my searches on overdrive.com on the PC since you can 
do a search with all the library systems you’re a member of at one time. Once I 
find what I want to read, I select the library that either has it available or 
the shortest hold time and place a hold on it or add it to my wish list or 
whatever and do my reading/listening on Libby when the book becomes available.

Unfortunately CloudLibrary nor Hoopla seem to have similar global search 
capabilities. You have to go library system by library system.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
k...@axistech.net
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 3:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: OverDrive app being retired

 

I have been using Libby for about a year and it is very accessible with 
Voiceover and you can read the books with Kindle.

 

Karl

 

 

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Van Lant
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 7:48 PM
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Subject: OverDrive app being retired

 

My local library had an article in the March newsletter saying Overdrive is 
being discontinued by the developer at the end of April. We are being told to 
use Libby instead.  One thing I noticed when I was reading the benefits listed 
for Libby is that it says you can transfer books to Kindle. I haven’t 
researched it to see if that means the Kindle app, wherein we could use 
VoiceOver.  I don’t have the time to read more now, but saved this Libby help 
link and wanted to share, so others aren’t surprised by the news.

 

https://help.libbyapp.com/en-us/index.htm

 

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smart cooking thermometer options

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Hello list,

On a separate general blind tech mailing list, someone inquired about an
accessible thermometer. Richard Turner who’s a member of this list suggested
the iGrill as a Bluetooth option.

I thought I’d ask the same question here as I did on that list as this is a
dedicated iOS group and hopefully get more specific iPhone feedback to my
inquiry…

Regarding this thermometer or perhaps another option, does the probe or is
there an option for a probe to dangle in something such as a pot or
receptacle instead of being speared into a piece of meat 

Also, does the app for this thermometer or another model have to be open in
order for the temperature to be announced or is there a setting for the temp
to be spoken aloud in the background?

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

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RE: Twitter delaying changes to its API after announcing many new limitations, 9 to 5 Mac

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Deep down, we're all teenagers to one degree or another  trapped in this high 
school of life...
44 billion bucks and you're desperate  about a popularity contest...
Comforting to know that the "titans of industry" are just like us littles. 

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Subject: RE: Twitter delaying changes to its API after announcing many new 
limitations, 9 to 5 Mac

Hello Sieghard,

Yes, I saw an article on this and was truly surprised.

With as much influence as he already has on the world, why would such things 
matter to him.

In a very real way, I feel very sorry for him.  He must be a tortured soul, 
indeed.  History has proven that such people should not be allowed to come to 
power.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

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Weitzel
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Subject: RE: Twitter delaying changes to its API after announcing many new 
limitations, 9 to 5 Mac

And Elon has instructed his technicians to make sure his Tweets always get the 
most attention; I thought it was very funny when he realized that the 
President's Tweet during Super Bowl had more engagement than his own:

Elon Musk allegedly threatened to fire Twitter’s engineers after his tweets 
during the Super Bowl attracted less engagement than president Joe Biden’s. 
During the Sunday game in which the Philadelphia Eagles faced off against the 
Kansas City Chiefs, Mr Biden tweeted a video of first lady Jill Biden 
supporting the Eagles, while Mr Musk also showed support for the same team in a 
now-deleted tweet. While the US president’s tweet garnered about 29 million 
impressions, Mr Musk’s post got around 9 million, according to Platformer’s Zoë 
Schiffer and Casey Newton. Following this, the Twitter chief reportedly ordered 
the company’s remaining engineers to make changes to the platform to ensure his 
tweets got better engagement. Citing sources close to the matter, Platformer 
reported that Mr Musk flew to the Bay Area, where Twitter’s San Francisco head 
office is located, to chat with his team in person.


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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 5:58 PM
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Subject: Twitter delaying changes to its API after announcing many new 
limitations, 9 to 5 Mac

Hello Everyone,

As we have a great deal of Twitter users in this community, I thought you might 
find the following article, interesting.

Mark

9to5Mac - Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 5:36 PM Twitter delaying changes to its 
API after announcing many new limitations
 
Earlier this month, Twitter announced a series of changes to its API that will 
directly impact how third-party platforms can access the social network. 
However, amid much controversy, Twitter is now delaying the changes to its API 
"for a few more days."

As announced by the official Twitter Dev account, the upcoming changes to the 
Twitter API have been delayed. The company doesn't say when the changes will go 
into effect, but it suggests that this will happen very soon.
Previously, the new rules were expected to take effect from February 9.
Twitter then said that the changes would be delayed until February 13, but the 
new rules are now being postponed again. According to Twitter, the delay is due 
to "efforts to create an optimal experience for the developer community." The 
company also claims that there's an "immense amount of enthusiasm for the 
upcoming changes with Twitter API."

What's changing in the Twitter API?
Earlier this year, Twitter announced that it would no longer allow developers 
to use its API to create third-party clients for the social network. This was 
the end of popular apps such as Tweetbot and Twitterrific.
After that, the company also revealed its plans to shut down its free API, 
which would result in a lot of good bots and automated accounts stopping 
working.

Following a slew of complaints, Twitter owner Elon Musk said the social network 
would then offer a "light, write-only API for bots providing good content that 
is free." However, this new free API comes with a number of limitations. For 
instance, it only allows 1,500 tweets per month. Developers who need more than 
this must pay at least $100 per month to access the API.
Even for those paying, Twitter will still not allow developers to create 
third-party clients as in the past. It's unclear what led Twitter to delay 
changes to its API, but the negative response to the latest announcements may 
have pushed the company to take a step back.
As noted by Fortune, some volunteer developers have been using Twitter's API to 
get real-time help requests from people affected by the earthquakes in Turkey 
and Syria. With the new restrictions, these developers may no longer be able to 
do 

RE: Libby App for Local Library

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Same goes for CloudLibrary. A lot more libraries use Libby/Overdrive (on the 
web), some use both services or just Cloud library. The one annoyance about 
these iOS apps is that you can’t do a global search for a title if you’re a 
member  of more than one library system (I belong to 13 systems). Libby’s a 
little easier as far as switching between systems, but still… I for the most 
part do my searches on Overdrive.com as it does have this feature. I’ll just 
add a title to my wish list or place a hold on it via the web on my PC and when 
it becomes available, check it out on my iPhone via Libby, CloudLibrary or 
Hoopla. 

Magazines are trickier to read on Libby. Not impossible, The layout’s just 
funky with VoiceOver and not very intuitive. I for the most part don’t read 
magazines because I find them too much of a hassle getting around on that app. 
Just my personal experience though. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Libby App for Local Library

 

There’s also an app called Hoopla, where you can “check out” streaming material 
from your library, which includes audio books, ebooks, music, movies and TV 
shows. It’ll use the same library card for the same library that works with 
Libby.

 

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
B.
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Libby App for Local Library

 

Hi All,

 

I heard about this app today called, Libby.  This app will connect you to your 
local library for various types of free reading material.  You can read about 
it and get the app using the link below.

 

https://help.libbyapp.com/en-us/6103.htm 

 

 

With Libby, you can borrow free ebooks, digital audiobooks, and magazines from 
your library. All you need is a library card.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Give Pinafore for Mastodon a try

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Homuth
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I need to download one of those apps for my phone – maybe I’ll pay more 
attention to my Mastodon account then. Any accessible apps for Windows that 
aren’t the website? The thing likes to bounce around on me once I reach a 
certain number of messages scrolled.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: January 22, 2023 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I joined dragonscave.space. It has a lot of blind users on that instance. You 
can move from instance to instance, but I haven’t done this myself.

 

I use the Tusker app on IOS. It’s currently in beta. I’ve also used Mercury and 
Metatext, which are also accessible. The Mastodon app is accessible but doesn’t 
have as many features as other apps. I’ve heard good things about Toot, but I 
haven’t used it myself.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 11:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

What is a good channel to join?  If you join and don’t like the channel you 
join to can that be changed so your handle is at something else?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

The fact that Twitter is used by so many governments and organizations is kind 
of irrelevant, unless they’re contributing to Twitter’s bottom line. Elon Musk 
isn’t out to make Twitter a public square or a utility; he’s out to make it 
profitable and get a return on his investment. If governments and organizations 
bring in users which in turn bring in advertisers then this makes sense, but 
this hasn’t been the case for the last eight years.

 

I like Mastodon, but I don’t consider it a Twitter replacement. For me it feels 
more like something between Twitter and Facebook. I thin this might be in part 
due to the greater character limits on toots. I also find Mastodon to be more 
conversational than Twitter or even email, but this may just be the way I use 
Twitter. I also like the content warnings in Mastodon. It makes it easier to 
avoid inflammatory toots and gives me a chance to warn people about something I 
might be tooting. What I like most about Mastodon though, and the absolute #1 
reason I’m more active on Mastodon then I’ve been on either Facebook or Twitter 
is the plethora of accessible clients. I guess I have a pretty low bar when it 
comes to how much inconvenience I’ll put up with to participate in social 
media, and I find Mastodon clients set that bar lower than the alternatives.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I’m riding the bus until the wheels fall off. So far, nothing as far as 
VoiceOver accessibility has broken or at least not that I’ve noticed. Of the 
main social media platforms, it slowly became one of the more accessible ones 
out there. Terrible that the accessibility team was let go along with a lot of 
other people, but the work they did to make Twitter very accessible is still 
there. 

Spring for the most part is still working. I’ve noticed that I can’t reply or 
retweet, but it’s easy enough to access the option to view a particular tweet 
in the native Twitter app and do whatever I want with that tweet from there. 
Once Spring’s gone, I guess I’ll have to see how I get along with the actual 
twitter appt itself. 

I mean, Mastodon’s “ok,” but it’s like night and day as far as engagement and 
level of information. Who knows, Musk may very well run twitter into bankruptcy 
as he’s hinted at already and sell it off to whoever and it’ll end up under new 
management and structure where we’ll be able to go through this all over again. 
It’s used by  so many. Not just people, but Governments, organizations and so 
on, it’s har

RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I noticed that too. It’s fully functioning for me again. It’s also for the past 
few days been providing the number of impressions for every tweet. I guess it’s 
only a matter of time until it too gets its access cut off, but until then… 
I’ll keep using it. I think Chicken Nugget 

and TW-Blue are still working on the Windows side as well.

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
maryjo.lord...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I was replying using Spring today.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I’m riding the bus until the wheels fall off. So far, nothing as far as 
VoiceOver accessibility has broken or at least not that I’ve noticed. Of the 
main social media platforms, it slowly became one of the more accessible ones 
out there. Terrible that the accessibility team was let go along with a lot of 
other people, but the work they did to make Twitter very accessible is still 
there. 

Spring for the most part is still working. I’ve noticed that I can’t reply or 
retweet, but it’s easy enough to access the option to view a particular tweet 
in the native Twitter app and do whatever I want with that tweet from there. 
Once Spring’s gone, I guess I’ll have to see how I get along with the actual 
twitter appt itself. 

I mean, Mastodon’s “ok,” but it’s like night and day as far as engagement and 
level of information. Who knows, Musk may very well run twitter into bankruptcy 
as he’s hinted at already and sell it off to whoever and it’ll end up under new 
management and structure where we’ll be able to go through this all over again. 
It’s used by  so many. Not just people, but Governments, organizations and so 
on, it’s hard to see some other platform supplant or replicate what it does any 
time soon.

There will likely be a Twitter 3.0 or 4.0, but who knows what that’ll look like 
or who will run it. Might as well just go with the flow for now. 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I’m pissed about this. Less than a year ago, I paid good money for Tweetbot, 
and now I’ve got no money, and no app!

Sent from my iPhone

 

On 20 Jan 2023, at 18:38, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

There is a few big differences between Apple and Twitter. Yes, Apple often does 
things the way they think people should do them, they even have released 
devices which didn't really exist because they felt that is what people should 
use, iPhone and iPad are examples of that.

However, Apple is a public company and they are held accountable by their 
shareholders whereas Twitter is now Elon Musk's privately owned company and as 
such he really can do what he wants. Also Apple has made a clear commitment to 
accessibility a long time ago now (it started in 2009 with Voiceover being on 
every product) and I don't think currently Elon Musk has any thoughts for 
"minor" annoyances like accessibility. Of course I could be wrong and his 
vision for Twittter might be something nobody really can imagine now and maybe 
fantastic accessibility is part of it, we'll just have to wait and see.

Whether anybody continues to use Twitter as it is now or not is entirely up to 
them, nobody who happens to disagree with what he is doing has the right to 
tell people to get off Twitter and delete their accounts. I think most people 
agree that Mastodon is not yet a replacement for Twitter and once again we'll 
have to wait and see if it ever will be or if it will fade back into obscurity 
as a platform for a small number of users.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

Twitter is just fine. What’s your source for them firing their accessibility 
team? Just because Twitter doesn’t allow third-party apps to be utilized 
doesn’t  mean that it’s a bad company. 

Many companies do you things how they want. Look at Apple.

 

Feliciano 

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RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I’m riding the bus until the wheels fall off. So far, nothing as far as 
VoiceOver accessibility has broken or at least not that I’ve noticed. Of the 
main social media platforms, it slowly became one of the more accessible ones 
out there. Terrible that the accessibility team was let go along with a lot of 
other people, but the work they did to make Twitter very accessible is still 
there. 

Spring for the most part is still working. I’ve noticed that I can’t reply or 
retweet, but it’s easy enough to access the option to view a particular tweet 
in the native Twitter app and do whatever I want with that tweet from there. 
Once Spring’s gone, I guess I’ll have to see how I get along with the actual 
twitter appt itself. 

I mean, Mastodon’s “ok,” but it’s like night and day as far as engagement and 
level of information. Who knows, Musk may very well run twitter into bankruptcy 
as he’s hinted at already and sell it off to whoever and it’ll end up under new 
management and structure where we’ll be able to go through this all over again. 
It’s used by  so many. Not just people, but Governments, organizations and so 
on, it’s hard to see some other platform supplant or replicate what it does any 
time soon.

There will likely be a Twitter 3.0 or 4.0, but who knows what that’ll look like 
or who will run it. Might as well just go with the flow for now. 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I’m pissed about this. Less than a year ago, I paid good money for Tweetbot, 
and now I’ve got no money, and no app!

Sent from my iPhone





On 20 Jan 2023, at 18:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 

There is a few big differences between Apple and Twitter. Yes, Apple often does 
things the way they think people should do them, they even have released 
devices which didn't really exist because they felt that is what people should 
use, iPhone and iPad are examples of that.

However, Apple is a public company and they are held accountable by their 
shareholders whereas Twitter is now Elon Musk's privately owned company and as 
such he really can do what he wants. Also Apple has made a clear commitment to 
accessibility a long time ago now (it started in 2009 with Voiceover being on 
every product) and I don't think currently Elon Musk has any thoughts for 
"minor" annoyances like accessibility. Of course I could be wrong and his 
vision for Twittter might be something nobody really can imagine now and maybe 
fantastic accessibility is part of it, we'll just have to wait and see.

Whether anybody continues to use Twitter as it is now or not is entirely up to 
them, nobody who happens to disagree with what he is doing has the right to 
tell people to get off Twitter and delete their accounts. I think most people 
agree that Mastodon is not yet a replacement for Twitter and once again we'll 
have to wait and see if it ever will be or if it will fade back into obscurity 
as a platform for a small number of users.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

Twitter is just fine. What’s your source for them firing their accessibility 
team? Just because Twitter doesn’t allow third-party apps to be utilized 
doesn’t  mean that it’s a bad company. 

Many companies do you things how they want. Look at Apple.

 

Feliciano 

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RE: accessible bluetooth elliptical equipment

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

While not an elliptical, Concept2: https://www.concept2.com/ makes a SkiERG. I 
have the rowERG and am probably going to get the BikeERG when our current 
recumbent bike gives up the ghost which will be most likely sooner than later. 
They all make use of their little PM5 device which is used to measure your 
progress through their app which is completely iOS accessible. The app went a 
major overhaul and redesign around the middle of last year with the input of 
the ACB. Not that using the rower and accessing my workouts before the app 
redesign was impossible, but it took a lot more work with memorization of 
button pressing sequences on the actual PM5 whereas now, I can do more or less 
I want everything from within the app as well as review my workout results 
after every row etc. 

The same idea should apply for the exercise machines as well.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 2:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible bluetooth eliptical equipment

 

I do not know of one, but I do know that my mom got one due to being a real 
estate agent someone was giving it away but then they changed their mind and 
how to pay half of what it cost and it is the Sole E55 it is an older model and 
I had to have an overlay that was tactile made by halos tactile overlays and I 
paid nearly $100 for that to happen in order to make it accessible enough. I’m 
not aware of any Bluetooth on it it’s just simple it does have a fan as well. 
We only paid $600 for it.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 16, 2023, at 2:43 PM, 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

I would be extremely interested infinding this information out as well. I use 
the elliptical in the gym where I live, but it’s a touchscreen, and I have a 
difficult time with the settings. I especially would like to change the 
resistance to make the workout more of a challenge, but I am not able to do 
this with the elliptical’s they have here.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 16, 2023, at 3:51 PM, Dan mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi all,

 

I normally walk our road for exercise.  However, far too many homes have been 
built over the past few years and people are driving much too fast on our road 
for it to be safe any longer.  I have started using an old elliptical we have 
had for several years.  It has no bluetooth interface and is starting to have 
some other issues mechanically.

 

Do any of you know of any elliptical equipment that has accessible bluetooth 
apps?  My wife would like us to get something like this so I can keep track of 
my accomplishments independently.

 

Thanks for any info.

 

  

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA

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RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Wow. I’ve  been really really out of the loop. The past six or eights weeks 
have been crazy with work. My mailing list inbox is still a mess.

Thanks for the quick summary.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, 
January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

 

In short yes.

The drama was that Google decided that VIPhone list was sending out spam and 
blocked the list. Cara and Mark could not get them to undo that decision; so 
they created VIPhone2 and in not too terribly long of a time; poof, VIPhone 
began working again. So all those who had signed on with the new list now had 
two lists owned by Cara and moderated by Mark.

Mark began posting all of his messages to both lists; so many of us were 
getting two copies ... I inquired which list had the most traffic and Mark said 
the original one did.

I unsubscribed from VIPhone2.

So now, as you can tell, VIPhone2 is basically dead.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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On Jan 9, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Talk about being out of the loop and behind on emails. I wasn't even aware of 
a second/back up list. Was there some drama?

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, 
January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

Fazil,

Mark wrote as follows:

Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, I will only post to the original ViPhone 
mailing list.
So, if you have not yet done so, you may subscribe to the original V iPhone 
group by sending an email to:
viphone+subscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+subscr...@googlegroups.com> 
Also, I am no longer approving requests to join the ViPhone 2 mailing list.
If, for some reason, the primary ViPhone mailing list stops working, then we 
will, once again, activate ViPhone 2.

So if you look at the email header and see "From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> " all should be fine, otherwise do as Mark 
says and send an email to the address provided above.
I never subscribed to the ViPhone 2 list, but I assume it will indicate in the 
"From" field that it is from the ViPhone 2  list.




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 11:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, 
January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

Do I have to do anything on my end for this change to be effective, or it would 
be automatic?
Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Flor 
Lynch
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2023 6:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, 
January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

That's fine, thanks for the 'heads up'.


On 1/9/2023 2:27 AM, M. Taylor wrote:



Essentially, as far as I am concerned, the answer is, "Yes."  Please remember 
that I am referring only to the V iPhone 2, group, not the original list.

 

Let's not make this more complicated than it has to be; okay?

 

Mark

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Flor 
Lynch

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 5:16 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 

Subject: Re: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, 
January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

 

Does this mean that the viphone2 list will be discontinued or paused for all 
members?

 

 

On 1/9/2023 12:17 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Simon,

 

The original V iPhone mailing list has been back  up and running for quite a 
while and it just doesn't make sense to keep using 2 groups for the same 
discussions.

 

Mark

 

-Original Message-

From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@g

RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Talk about being out of the loop and behind on emails. I wasn't even aware of a 
second/back up list. Was there some drama?

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, 
January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

Fazil,

Mark wrote as follows:

Starting Tuesday, January 10, 2023, I will only post to the original ViPhone 
mailing list.
So, if you have not yet done so, you may subscribe to the original V iPhone 
group by sending an email to:
viphone+subscr...@googlegroups.com
Also, I am no longer approving requests to join the ViPhone 2 mailing list.
If, for some reason, the primary ViPhone mailing list stops working, then we 
will, once again, activate ViPhone 2.

So if you look at the email header and see "From: viphone@googlegroups.com" all 
should be fine, otherwise do as Mark says and send an email to the address 
provided above.
I never subscribed to the ViPhone 2 list, but I assume it will indicate in the 
"From" field that it is from the ViPhone 2  list.




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 11:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Attention All V iPhone 2, Group List Members! Starting Tuesday, 
January 10, 2023, Mark Will Only Post to the Original V iPhone Mailing List

Do I have to do anything on my end for this change to be effective, or it would 
be automatic?
Thanks!

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That's fine, thanks for the 'heads up'.


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RE: seeking recommendations for kitchen scales and cooking thermometers

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Catching up on my email, I guess I'll paste my answer to the other thread about 
kitchen scales to this one too even though it's a few days old now. Hopefully 
it'll be of some use to you as well.

Regarding the talking scale thing… I guess I’m just snake bit when it comes to 
My Weigh. Those scales give out on me in a matter of days whenever I try to use 
them. From what I recall and someone who’s using them can chime in, those scale 
can only weigh to the gram. That might be an issue depending on the level of 
accuracy you’re looking for too. Also, The audio feedback was kind of lagging. 
Not an issue for most things, but for coffee pour overs and Aeropresses and 
such, latency or the lack of real time feedback becomes a factor. 
When this topic’s come up before, I’ve always recommended the DropScale from 
Drop company now rebranded as Fresco. Checking them out though, it seems 
they’re no longer selling that scale anymore. Fresco’s partnered with bigger 
appliance brands like GE, Kenwood and Instant Brands and Bosch instead it looks 
like. Too bad. The dropscale’s a good little Bluetooth scale. 
In any event. I recently got a Reflex kitchen scale as it too is one that’s 
been brought up on this list as an accessible option. Playing around with it, 
It’s accessible enough. It seems the company has a million apps for every 
possible function. The most accessible one for VoiceOver users though is 
probably the “Just Scale” app. One annoying thing about it is that you have to 
sign up to use the scale (thank you hide my email Apple). 
One difference between the dropscale and this scale is that with the dropscale, 
you could place VoiceOver focus on the element where the weight would be spoke 
and VO would speak it in real time. It was pretty responsive with very little 
latency if any to make a difference. Again, probably not a huge dealbreaker for 
most things, but for coffee brewing recipes, every milliliter counts. The 
Reflex scale on the other hand has a separate talking function from within the 
app that you can adjust (selecting voice/speed) that will announce the weight 
as well. It’s advertised as an accessibility feature for the visually impaired, 
but it feels gimmicky. I’ve got the app voice playback speed cranked to 100%, 
but no matter how fast it speaks the weight, it doesn’t give me the readings 
fast enough or as close to when they are occurring to keep a current snapshot 
of where I am in my pour for example. Again, I’m a coffee geek so for me and in 
my circumstance, this is an issue, but it may not be for others. Unfortunately, 
none of the Reflex apps seem to have the ability to have VoiceOver speak the 
readings of the weight fluctuations by simply placing VO on that element. The 
dropscale has the reflex scale beat in this regard hands down. I will say 
though, connectivity with the Reflex app is super-fast. Not that connecting to 
the dropscale was an exercise in patience, but concerns about hassling with 
having to connect with a scale etc. really are no big deal. I would also add 
that both these scales weigh to the tenth of the gram. 
There are other Bluetooth apps advertised on Amazon ranging from around $12 to 
$40 or so. I’m tempted to try another one. Mainly, something that would allow 
VoiceOver to speak the measurement readings like the dropscale. I’ve had this 
thing for over four years now, but like all Internet connected things, they 
won’t last forever or at least their apps won’t. 
A few weeks ago, I also posted an inquiry regarding the Acaia bluetooth 
espresso scales and if anyone had experience with them. These are ridiculously 
expensive scales used to measure out espresso shots and pour overs (everyone’s 
got their hobby). Reflex has a pretty small 500gram scale that might work for 
the type of mannual espresso machine I’m looking to get, but it might be just a 
centimeter or two too big. That and again, the latency for measuring out a shot 
would probably be a dealbreaker anyway. So if anyone knows of a super small 
bluetooth kitchen scale that can weigh to the tenth of the gram and has minimal 
VoiceOver latency feedback, I’d like to know as well… 
If you don’t have to worry about real time measurement readings against a timer 
or anything like that, then the Reflex scales would probably check a lot of 
boxes for you. I believe they were even going to come out with a 33 LBS model, 
but not sure about that now.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keith 
Kramlinger
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 9:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: seeking recommendations for kitchen scales and cooking thermometers

hi,
I am seeking recommendations for kitchen scales and cooking thermometers.
Thanks in advance for any recommendations on reliable tools and any specific 
places at which to acquire these.
Best, Keith

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RE: Talking scale

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I bought my cup and spoon sets from Blind Mice Mart. I believe they also have 
the bowl set.

Regarding the talking scale thing… I guess I’m just snake bit when it comes to 
My Weigh. Those scales give out on me in a matter of days whenever I try to use 
them. From what I recall and someone who’s using them can chime in, those scale 
can only weigh to the gram. That might be an issue depending on the level of 
accuracy you’re looking for too. Also, The audio feedback was kind of lagging. 
Not an issue for most things, but for coffee pour overs and Aeropresses and 
such, latency or the lack of real time feedback becomes a factor. 

When this topic’s come up before, I’ve always recommended the DropScale from 
Drop company now rebranded as Fresco. Checking them out though, it seems 
they’re no longer selling that scale anymore. Fresco’s partnered with bigger 
appliance brands like GE, Kenwood and Instant Brands and Bosch instead it looks 
like. Too bad. The dropscale’s a good little Bluetooth scale. 

In any event. I recently got a Reflex kitchen scale as it too is one that’s 
been brought up on this list as an accessible option. Playing around with it, 
It’s accessible enough. It seems the company has a million apps for every 
possible function. The most accessible one for VoiceOver users though is 
probably the “Just Scale” app. One annoying thing about it is that you have to 
sign up to use the scale (thank you hide my email Apple). 

One difference between the dropscale and this scale is that with the dropscale, 
you could place VoiceOver focus on the element where the weight would be spoke 
and VO would speak it in real time. It was pretty responsive with very little 
latency if any to make a difference. Again, probably not a huge dealbreaker for 
most things, but for coffee brewing recipes, every milliliter counts. The 
Reflex scale on the other hand has a separate talking function from within the 
app that you can adjust (selecting voice/speed) that will announce the weight 
as well. It’s advertised as an accessibility feature for the visually impaired, 
but it feels gimmicky. I’ve got the app voice playback speed cranked to 100%, 
but no matter how fast it speaks the weight, it doesn’t give me the readings 
fast enough or as close to when they are occurring to keep a current snapshot 
of where I am in my pour for example. Again, I’m a coffee geek so for me and in 
my circumstance, this is an issue, but it may not be for others. Unfortunately, 
none of the Reflex apps seem to have the ability to have VoiceOver speak the 
readings of the weight fluctuations by simply placing VO on that element. The 
dropscale has the reflex scale beat in this regard hands down. I will say 
though, connectivity with the Reflex app is super-fast. Not that connecting to 
the dropscale was an exercise in patience, but concerns about hassling with 
having to connect with a scale etc. really are no big deal. I would also add 
that both these scales weigh to the tenth of the gram. 

There are other Bluetooth apps advertised on Amazon ranging from around $12 to 
$40 or so. I’m tempted to try another one. Mainly, something that would allow 
VoiceOver to speak the measurement readings like the dropscale. I’ve had this 
thing for over four years now, but like all Internet connected things, they 
won’t last forever or at least their apps won’t. 

A few weeks ago, I also posted an inquiry regarding the Acaia bluetooth 
espresso scales and if anyone had experience with them. These are ridiculously 
expensive scales used to measure out espresso shots and pour overs (everyone’s 
got their hobby). Reflex has a pretty small 500gram scale that might work for 
the type of mannual espresso machine I’m looking to get, but it might be just a 
centimeter or two too big. That and again, the latency for measuring out a shot 
would probably be a dealbreaker anyway. So if anyone knows of a super small 
bluetooth kitchen scale that can weigh to the tenth of the gram and has minimal 
VoiceOver latency feedback, I’d like to know as well… 

If you don’t have to worry about real time measurement readings against a timer 
or anything like that, then the Reflex scales would probably check a lot of 
boxes for you. I believe they were even going to come out with a 33 LBS model, 
but not sure about that now.

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Talking scale

 

Hi Richard,

 

I have their 9-cup set and also the measuring spoon set and they are very nice. 
Just looking on their website they do mention Maxiaids on their website under 
online sellers, but not Amazon at all. I also saw only one place in Canada, but 
I wonder if that is more of a wholesaler/distributor who then sells to smaller 
resellers.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf

RE: iphone app to check blood pressure

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I have a talking blood pressure unit from some brand called Yu Well I got off 
of Amazon. It works well enough. I use an app called SmartBP to track my 
readings. It's completely VoiceOver accessible. Something like $10 a year.

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Heinrichs
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; la...@comcast.net; lp2...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: iphone app to check blood pressure

I'd personally prefer the app for reasons I put in the list lol.

Maria

On 9/15/2022 7:59 PM, la...@comcast.net wrote:
> An app? Whatever happened to medical privacy?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Maria Heinrichs 
> Date: Thursday, September 15, 2022 06:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com;Louise Peyton 
> Subject: Re: iphone app to check blood pressure
>
>
> Are you kidding me I'd love that! Seriously I'd love that! Have you 
> ever experienced a blood pressure cuff that squeezed again before it 
> had even completely let up because there was an error like you had it 
> too low on your arm or something? That's happened to me numerous 
> times, but the last time it did that, it squeezed so hard and it 
> seemed to take a long time before it stopped, and I don't think it's 
> considered claustrophobia because when you're claustrophobic, you feel 
> scared in a confined space, but I felt like I would never get my arm 
> out ever again. I got so scared my mom had to come over and press on 
> the power button I guess it is, so the air would go out and the cuff 
> would let up. If there would be an app, that would be fantastic! Please, let 
> me know! Thanks.
> Maria On 9/15/2022 6:43 PM, Louise Peyton wrote:
>> Hello, all:
>>
>> Is there an app I can use with an IPhone that would help check blood 
>> pressure.  I found two talking blood pressure machines which were not 
>> as accurate as my primary care doctor's whose monitor doesn't speak 
>> audibly. This is quite frustrating since my blood pressure can fluctuate.
>>
>> The other question is would I need to purchase an Apple watch or just 
>> use some type of app strictly with the phone?  Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Louise
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RE: BARD 2.0 is coming soon!

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

More or less the same sentiments here. I will add that they do offer titles 
that are pretty obscure and that you’re not likely to find in recorded format 
anywhere else. The app itself had gotten better, but it’s in general just meh… 
I too would not pay for the service now, but being grandfathered in, I do still 
use it from time to time.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 10:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD 2.0 is coming soon!

 

At the risk of going too deep into thread creep, I would only use Learning Ally 
as a very last resort because their readers are poor to terrible  for the most 
part.  IN college, 50 years ago, I had to use them exclusively for audio books 
because in the day, they were the only source for text books.  I was reading a 
book for my Freshman Fiction class, Sons and Lovers by D. H. Lawrence.  The 
book started out with a fabulous British reader!  I swear, in mid paragraph, 
but it was probably at a page break, a woman with a very, very strong southern 
US accent took over.  I had to jump up and stop the player, which BTW was a 
real-to-real player and calm my outrage.  I won’t repeat what I likely said …

 

There were at least 6 other readers before finishing the book.  

But, without them, I would not have been able to get through college, so I am 
grateful.  I am also grateful they Grandfathered those of us into the Learning 
Ally from Recordings for the Blind because I absolutely wouldn’t pay for the 
service even if that was the only source for a book.  I’d scan the book myself 
first.

 

OK, back to focusing on BARD, 

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/> 

礪

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Matthew Bullis
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 9:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: BARD 2.0 is coming soon!

 

I only use Learning Ally when I can't find something somewhere else. There app 
is terrible. It doesn’t use the magic tap to start and stop playback, you can't 
increase the speed without going into several screen levels deep, and the thing 
that's the search says magnifying glass. It's definitely usable and accessible, 
but not efficient or nice.

Matthew

 


On Sep 16, 2022, at 8:27 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com 
<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>  wrote:



Definitely all good things. I sure wish Learning Ally hadn't redone it's web 
site when they were no longer Recordings for the Blind, and made getting boks 
so arduous. I rarely use them anymore. Are they up to date on thelatest texts 
books, etc? Is anyone here still enjoying their many offereings?

   Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: BARD 2.0 is coming soon!

 

I particularly like the idea of being able to download directly from the search 
results.  Sometimes, I want to download a book immediately, not put it on the 
wish list and then download it.

The improved search results will also be welcome.

 

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/> 

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com <mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 8:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: BARD 2.0 is coming soon!

 

   BARD is a true life line. Much of this we can do already but 
some of the added flexibility is  nice.

 

   Deidre

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: BARD 2.0 is coming soon!

 

>From BARD Support: Note the update is due out by September 23rd it is not 
>available yet.

The email below is from BARD Support.

 

Announcing BARD Mobile for iOS 2.0

We're excited to tell you that NLS has released version 2.0 of BARD Mobile for 
iOS. In this version, the BARD Website option is replaced by a new and powerful 
search engine that has the following abilities:

"  Search by keyword, title, author, or annot

RE: Is there a way to get a finer adjustment of the speech rate in Voiceover on my iPhone 13 Pro Max running iOS 16?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

You can play with the slider in the accessibility/VoiceOver settings, but it 
takes some double tapping and holding and sliding up/down and messing with it 
to get some extra tweaking. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 9:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is there a way to get a finer adjustment of the speech rate in 
Voiceover on my iPhone 13 Pro Max running iOS 16?

 

Sadly, 5% is the smallest increment of change and that as you found is only if 
it is on the rotor.

 

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com  

礪

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kevin Minor
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 9:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Is there a way to get a finer adjustment of the speech rate in 
Voiceover on my iPhone 13 Pro Max running iOS 16?

 

Hi.

 

I upgraded to iOS 16 Monday night, and noticed that Alex at 50% seemed 
significantly slower. I changed the rotar to speaking rate, and increased it to 
55%. It was speaking a lot faster, so I was hoping to go somewhere in between. 
I went into Voiceover settings, and tried to slow the rate down. To my 
surprise, I went from 55% to 45%, so it was even worse, and I thought I could 
make finer adjustments there. Is there somewhere I can make a happy medium 
between the huge change in Voiceover, and the smaller, but not small enough, 
change on the home screen?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

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RE: New voices iOS 16

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

A lot of us however do use our phone's speaker out of pleasure or necessity all 
the time though.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 6:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

If you use your iPhone's built in speaker, then eloquence doesn't sound good.  
However, if you use a bluetooth speaker or headset, it sounds fine.  I pretty 
much always use some kind of bluetooth speaker or headset with my phone.  I 
hardly ever just use my phones speaker to do things.

On 9/14/22, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I have been looking forward to eloquence for a while now. I’ve been 
> using it all day yesterday and I’m not sure I like it. It sounds kind 
> of muddy. I’m using a 13 pro.
>
>
>
> Chris Judge
>
>  <https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: September 12, 2022 7:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16
>
>
>
> Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak 
> when I was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a 
> nice quality voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a 
> younger man’s clothes!
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of CHELA Robles
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
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>
>
> Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of 
> those voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind 
> of funny to read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice 
> singing your whole email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched 
> it to eloquence though, because then I can hear it at a much faster 
> speed that I’m used to reading emails in on my windows, computer. I 
> usually have it set to 70% on my computer if you were wondering.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
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> I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium 
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> I personally like the following new voices.
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> Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.
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RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I went ahead and got it. My friend’s got some vision left. So even if he can’t 
figure it out, I’m sure a family member or his girlfriend will help him out 
setting it up.

Thanks again,

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

No worries on the typo.  I would have fixed it, but apparently that causes 
problems for people hunting in the archives later.  

 

BTW, here is a specific video he did at the request of one visually impaired 
customer.  He gave me permission to share it.  It won’t make a lot of sense 
without the device in hand, but this will give you an idea of his commitment to 
making something useful for the blind.  He would also like to know what the 
target size for things to scan would be for his next version.

I will start a new thread with that question.

Here is the video link:

https://youtu.be/W3ZTDWDxTSI 
<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FW3ZTDWDxTSI=05%7C01%7C%7Cfc2ce021a3944c6900d308da8bd8db9f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637976060769910074%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=LQy3N%2BYlShkovi5BtSkWATEym%2BSgVMbjfFMEILhTHTM%3D=0>
 

 

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 7:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

Thank you for the follow up. And don’t’ I feel like an ignoramus. I just 
noticed I had a fat finger and typoed  recommendations in the subject line. Oh 
well.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

HI Cristóbal and all,

I heard back from the person who makes the ScannerBin.  IN fact, he sent me the 
stand he is currently selling, which is an improvement from the one I bought a 
few years ago.

This one, the camera whole just fits my 13 pro camera, but it is tight.  The 
tricky part is I don’t think a blind person would be able to assemble it 
without a sighted person identifying the various flaps that need to be folded 
and tucked into place.

It is also in more pieces than the original one.

There is however a new optional strip of LED lights that hang over the opening 
where you place your document.  They are powered by a 5 volt USB port, so any 
standard phone charger or USB port on a computer.  The cord is about 3 feet 
long.  So, if you need the lights, you have to be close to power.  And, the 
lights can be easily removed if not needed and put back in place when needed.  
It is a little hard to explain.  That is one of the parts that would need  
sighted assistance to attach.

 

I’ll be updating my site, but the current description is on his web site at 
www.scannerbin.com <http://www.scannerbin.com> 

 

Once assembled, it is a handy scanning box.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 7:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

I’d be curious to know what he says. Thanks for replying to my message.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

Hello,

I have a page about the scanning stands I am aware of currently that are 
designed partly, if not entirely, with the visually impaired in mind.

 

The first one on that page is the ScannerBin, which apparently now has an 
additional component which is LED lights to make sure there are no shadows on 
the document.  I just wrote the guy who makes that one to see if it also has a 
larger hole for the camera array; the model I have was made before the pro 

RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Thank you for the follow up. And don’t’ I feel like an ignoramus. I just 
noticed I had a fat finger and typoed  recommendations in the subject line. Oh 
well.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

HI Cristóbal and all,

I heard back from the person who makes the ScannerBin.  IN fact, he sent me the 
stand he is currently selling, which is an improvement from the one I bought a 
few years ago.

This one, the camera whole just fits my 13 pro camera, but it is tight.  The 
tricky part is I don’t think a blind person would be able to assemble it 
without a sighted person identifying the various flaps that need to be folded 
and tucked into place.

It is also in more pieces than the original one.

There is however a new optional strip of LED lights that hang over the opening 
where you place your document.  They are powered by a 5 volt USB port, so any 
standard phone charger or USB port on a computer.  The cord is about 3 feet 
long.  So, if you need the lights, you have to be close to power.  And, the 
lights can be easily removed if not needed and put back in place when needed.  
It is a little hard to explain.  That is one of the parts that would need  
sighted assistance to attach.

 

I’ll be updating my site, but the current description is on his web site at 
www.scannerbin.com <http://www.scannerbin.com> 

 

Once assembled, it is a handy scanning box.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 7:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

I’d be curious to know what he says. Thanks for replying to my message.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

Hello,

I have a page about the scanning stands I am aware of currently that are 
designed partly, if not entirely, with the visually impaired in mind.

 

The first one on that page is the ScannerBin, which apparently now has an 
additional component which is LED lights to make sure there are no shadows on 
the document.  I just wrote the guy who makes that one to see if it also has a 
larger hole for the camera array; the model I have was made before the pro 
iPhone models with the larger square camera array like on my 13 pro and so it 
is awkward to get the camera level.  Otherwise, a very ingenious heavy 
cardboard box.  You need to have the camera roughly 10.5 to 12 inches above the 
document to get the entire page in view and many people have trouble doing this 
free-hand, so a stand is very helpful.

 

 

 

https://www.turner42.com/ScanningStands.html

If interested in the ScannerBin, first check out his web site that is linked 
from my page and read of the new features.  I will post when I hear back from 
him.

 

 

https://www.turner42.com/ScanningStands.html

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Bill 
Gallik
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

Pardon me if I sound excessively cynical, but I purchased one of these so 
called “scan stands “in 2013 only to find I could have easily constructed 
something much, much more robust with a shoebox.

 

My advice, don’t waste your money.

 

  

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RE: Embarrassing question.

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

A little compassion and consideration can go a long way. What’s wrong with 
asking about VoiceOver accessible dating apps? 

Seems like a perfectly legitimate topic for this list… Not a topic I’m 
personally interested in or would have the faintest idea about as I’ve been 
married for a while now, but I also don’t don’t play fantasy sports and 
wouldn’t have the first clue about anything regarding apps to play fantasy 
sports or gambling on the same. 

The poster was pretty brave to put himself out there like that. What’s 
embarrassing and horrible is this kneejerk response. 

Just press the delete button and move on. 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Embarrassing question.

 

The original poster regarding this topic should be very embarrassed as this is 
the wrong group to be talking about stuff like this even though I’m not the 
moderator of the group this is horrible stuff.  In my opinion I think the 
original poster that posted that’s been talking about all this should be 
blocked so he’s not allowed to send any email.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto


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RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions, 9 to 5 Mac

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I can imagine the marketing now... Will you be ready for when the big one hits? 
Scientists say it's only a matter of time. Don't count on cellular networks to 
hold up to the onslaught of panicked people all trying to livestream, call and 
text at the same time. In a world where natural disasters are more and more 
becoming the norm. Can you really afford not to be prepared? It's a small price 
to pay for peace of mind. Just in case...
Shoot. I think I may have just talked myself into getting one depending on what 
other goodies the phone may have. I live like less than four miles from the San 
Andreas fault.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite 
functions, 9 to 5 Mac

Let's just keep in mind that even if the iPhone 14 may include the capability 
to send out an emergency SOS via satellite , that first of all this may be 
reserved to the Pro models as are so many of the cutting-edge features.
Secondly, the feature will most certainly require an additional subscription 
because while they mention this may give devices like the Garmin Inreach a run 
for their money, a Garmin Inreach (the cheapest costs $529.99 Canadian ($399.99 
US) requires a monthly subscription which then allows the user to send simple 
text messages via satellite as well as to send out an emergency SOS which goes 
to the International Emergency Rescue Coordination Center. From there a local 
search and rescue group is deployed if necessary.
There are less expensive devices like the Zoleo Satellite Communicator which 
costs $269.99 here in Canada, I assume maybe $199.99 in the US, but still the 
subscription plans are all similar starting around $15 US or so a month ($19.99 
Canadian) for a basic plan where every message you sent costs money all the way 
up to $49.99 or so ($70 Canadian) which gives you unlimited messages.
Both with the Inreach Mini or the Zoleo you are better off using your smart 
phone to compose the messages, both can pair to your phone via Bluetooth so you 
can type on the phone and just sent via the device. The Zoleo in fact only has 
two buttons on the device itself, one sends a preprogrammed "I'm OK" message 
and the other sends the emergency SOS which will activate search and rescue to 
the location where the device is located. Garmin has much more expensive 
devices such as the Montana 700I which is a full-fletched GPS with touch screen 
which also includes Inreach functionality and since it has a touch screen you 
can text directly from the device with an on-screen keyboard like on the 
iPhone, but this guy is $$979.99 Canadian, probably about $749.99 or so US.
Both Inreach and Zoleo by the way use the Iridium satellite network, another 
one is Globalstar, it is used by the "Spot" family of devices which include an 
asset tracker (a little device you can attach to a car, snowmobile, side by 
side or other vehicle and which tracks its location) as well as similar 2-way 
satellite messenger devices to the Inreach and Zoleo. In fact, the Spot X is 
like a little Blackberry with an actual small physical keyboard on it, but it's 
not nearly as popular at least here in northern BC because the further north 
one goes in Canada (or Alaska) the worse is Globalstar which has their 
satellites all over the equator.
 
Nonetheless I think it would be great if ultimately the iPhone and also Android 
phones could communicate via satellite and then customers who needed this 
functionality could simply subscribe to whatever plan Apple chooses to offer. 
Whether this will replace dedicated devices, however, is also questionable 
because devices like the Inreach Mini or Zoleo work for days or weeks on a 
single charge and we all know how long the iPhone battery lasts and if somebody 
is out on a 10 day hike or hunt one would have to carry an awful lot of 
external batteries and/or solar charges to make sure you don't run out of 
juice. Still it would be a great option for people who go out for a day or who 
often drive in remote areas without cell connection where they can easily 
charge their iPhone in a vehicle.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite 
functions, 9 to 5 Mac

9to5Mac - Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:36 AM
Gurman: Next Apple Watch Pro could feature long-rumored satellite functions

For over a year, it's been rumored that Apple is working on the ability to 
bring satellite features to the iPhone. First suggested for the iPhone 13 
series, this function may now be available with the upcoming iPhone 14.
While this function could help iPhone users report 

RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I’d be curious to know what he says. Thanks for replying to my message.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

Hello,

I have a page about the scanning stands I am aware of currently that are 
designed partly, if not entirely, with the visually impaired in mind.

 

The first one on that page is the ScannerBin, which apparently now has an 
additional component which is LED lights to make sure there are no shadows on 
the document.  I just wrote the guy who makes that one to see if it also has a 
larger hole for the camera array; the model I have was made before the pro 
iPhone models with the larger square camera array like on my 13 pro and so it 
is awkward to get the camera level.  Otherwise, a very ingenious heavy 
cardboard box.  You need to have the camera roughly 10.5 to 12 inches above the 
document to get the entire page in view and many people have trouble doing this 
free-hand, so a stand is very helpful.

 

 

 

https://www.turner42.com/ScanningStands.html

If interested in the ScannerBin, first check out his web site that is linked 
from my page and read of the new features.  I will post when I hear back from 
him.

 

 

https://www.turner42.com/ScanningStands.html

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Bill 
Gallik
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 1:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

Pardon me if I sound excessively cynical, but I purchased one of these so 
called “scan stands “in 2013 only to find I could have easily constructed 
something much, much more robust with a shoebox.

 

My advice, don’t waste your money.

 

  

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Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Hello list,

Was wondering what scan stands folks are using with their iPhones or could
recommend for a new iPhone user. I personally don’t use one, but a friend of
mine is a recent android switcher to iPhone and he’s at that stage where his
RP is making him more reliant on VoiceOver than magnification. So he’s
relatively new to OCR apps and in general the VO environment that we’d
generally use. Included in this is getting the hang of scanning random
documents and mail and such. His frustration level right now like I’m sure a
lot of us experienced is … pretty high. I believe he’s got an iPhone 13 if
that makes any sort of difference.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

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Accessibility of Acaia app/scales

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Hello list,

I was wondering if anyone’s had the opportunity to use the Acaia ap with any
of their scales? Pearl, Lunar, Pyxis…?

I’m considering buying a manual lever espresso machine, but its dimensions
are such that only a very small number of scales fit under where you can
place the cup to be able to measure out the shot. Some of these scales
included. They’re ridiculously expensive and the app doesn’t seem to have
been updated in around a year… So my expectations for VoiceOver
accessibility aren’t all that high, but I figured I’d ask just in case.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

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RE: Question regarding Libby

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I think only once I was able to get a library card without having to get it in 
person. I was just lucky that I spoke to a nice librarian in Riverside County 
who after I explained my travel situation issued me a card without me having to 
go to a local branch. That's always the biggest challenge. You can always get a 
temporary card online, but that's good for maybe a month or so. Living in So 
Cal does offer that benefit that we have so many library systems close by, but 
still, it can be a real hassle and barrier if you have to go in person to get a 
card. Some libraries partner with other libraries to make their collections 
available. The San Bernardino County library system is separate from the city 
of San Bernardino library. The city library collection itself is pretty puny 
and not all that impressive, but if you have a San Bernardino city public 
library car, you then get access to the Alhambra Civic Center Library, Beaumont 
Library District, Beverly Hills Public Library, Buena Park Library District, 
Camarillo Public Library, Moorpark City Library, Redondo Beach Public Library, 
Torrance Public Library, Whittier Public Library for example. Same goes if you 
have a card from any of these same libraries. 
There are some library systems where you can pay to be a member even if you 
wouldn't otherwise qualify. The Brooklyn library in New York state and Orange 
County in Florida come to mind. I think they charge something like $50 a year. 
A cool thing about Libby up until a couple of updates ago was that when you 
would search for library systems, after you'd click on a result, among the 
information provided would be the number of audiobooks and eBooks in the 
system's collection. Unfortunately that info no longer seems to be displayed or 
at least not for me anyway.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2022 9:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question regarding Libby

Hello Terri,

Christopher's answer was spot on.  

If you want to borrow a title that is not available, you can place it on hold 
and when it becomes available, you will be notified either via email or from 
within the app, or both.  It's up to you.  The great thing about Libby is now 
you can see exactly where you are in the hold queue so you can kind of get an 
idea of how much longer you will have to wait.  Remember, all of the titles in 
your public library system are free to borrow.

Just so you know, depending upon your library and the type of title you borrow, 
you can keep a book for up to 21 days.  

So, you borrow the book.  All things being equal, in Libby, the book will 
automatically be downloaded to your devices.  You can turn this feature off; 
doing so will mean that you will be streaming an audiobook instead of having it 
physically on your devices.

Once the book has been borrowed, you will see an Open button.  Activate this 
button and you will be taken to an interface very much similar to that of the 
Audible app.

As a new public library subscriber, I think your greatest challenge will be 
acquiring a library card.  

With very few exceptions, your public library log-in credentials will simply be 
a matter of you entering your library card number and a 4-digit pin.  You only 
need do this once.  

Because I live in such a densely populated area, I have tons of library 
branches within driving distance of my home.  As a result, I have yet to apply 
for a library card, online.  

In short, as much as I love supporting authors by purchasing their work via 
Apple Books, Kindle, and Audible, I think it equally important to support our 
public library system by both donating funds, when possible, and enjoying the 
library catalog  as much as possible.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2022 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question regarding Libby

Hello everyone,


I have heard of Libby before. But I haven't ever attempted to use it.


However, after reading about Mark's experience with it, I thought I would 
download it, and give it a try.


I have a question though, that I hope someone can answer.


If I am able to search my library, and find audiobooks I want to read, how do I 
actually listen to them?

And, if they are on hold, does this mean I can't get one, until a physical copy 
is available?


I am slightly confused as to how this works. Any thoughts, or 
suggestions are much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

On 7/31/2022 7:06 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> After reading several posts, here on the list, I decided to really give
> Libby, the public library app for borrowing both audiobook and e-books, a
> try.
>
> Until this point, I've been a big fan of Over Drive.
>
> Well, after forcing myself to delete the Over Drive app from all of my
> devices

RE: can anyone out there use the Libby app from Overdrive?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I believe there's a Libby Windows app through the Microsoft store, but it's 
nothing I've ever played with so can't speak as to its accessibility. 


Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sandrastreeter...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: can anyone out there use the Libby app from Overdrive?

Can it be accessed using a PC?


Sandra

The gift of mental energy comes from God, the supreme being and if we 
concentrate  our thoughts on this truth we get into harmony with this great 
power.
(Nikola Tesla)

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 12:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: can anyone out there use the Libby app from Overdrive?

For what it's worth, I find the Libby app easier to navigate than the Overdrive 
app. The audiobooks can be played at 3X speed instead of the 2X in Overdrive 
which is a plus as well. 
All the whish list and holds stuff is tied to your library account not to the 
app. So when you log into Libby or CloudLibrary for that matter, your lists 
will appear there as well.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 9:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: can anyone out there use the Libby app from Overdrive?

I use Libby all the time for audiobooks and I find it much much easier than 
overdrive ever was. As for migrating your wish list I don’t know if that can be 
done.

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can 
be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen

> On Jul 22, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> So other than ebooks, is the libby app as easy to use and to navigate as the 
> overdrive app?  
> Also, I have several books in my overdrive wish list. Is it possible to 
> migrate this list over to the libby app, or would I have to add each book to 
> the libby wish list individually?  
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 11:42 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> DRM's got nothing to do with that. As far as Voiceover reading the text, I 
>> found that accessible. It was the navigating chapters and continuous reading 
>> to be wonky. Then again, that was just my experience. Perhaps someone who 
>> was more determined to figure it out can chime in.
>> 
>> Cristóbal
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Kimberly
>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 7:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: can anyone out there use the Libby app from Overdrive?
>> 
>> I couldn’t read an e-book in the Libby app at all, unless I opened it as a 
>> kindle book. You also have the option of EPUB but I didn’t try that because 
>> it indicated that it had DRM protection and I wasn’t sure that would work 
>> with voiceover. Libby works great for audiobooks and that’s what I mostly 
>> use it for. But you can’t beat Kindle for e-books in my opinion. 
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
>> ” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can 
>> be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen
>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 9:40 AM, Cristobal Munoz  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Overdrive app for iOS is going to be phased out for Libby. I’ve mainly 
>>> use Libby for audiobooks. The audiobook experience is completely 
>>> accessible. Playback can go as fast as 3X. I tried reading one e-book in 
>>> the same app. It wasn’t really intuitive and I really couldn’t get around 
>>> it well enough, but I didn’t really stick with it enough to try figuring it 
>>> out. As someone else mentioned though, you have the option to open e-books 
>>> in the Kindle app as well though. Not saying that the Libby app isn’t 
>>> accessible, but I just didn’t have time or the desire to try to figure it 
>>> out with that book.
>>> All in all though, the Libby app is pretty much voiceover accessible. I 
>>> have six library systems connected to it.
>>> Another app you can consider is CloudLibrary. Some library systems use 
>>> Libby and others cloud library.
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2022, at 8:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Dan,
>>>> 
>>>> The app I use for reading titles from the public library is Over Drive.  
>>>> Essentially, it is an older version of Libby, made by the same developer.  
>>>> Give it a try.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  O

RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

The premise still holds. Just because you don’t... Folks are still using their 
nose and whatever else tickles their fancy. And yes, people have and do use the 
body part you're eluding to. A friend confided in me that his girlfriend at the 
time (it didn't last) for kicks used his eleventh digit as her special touch 
ID. Talk about TMI. Some things you'd just rather not know about others. Again, 
it's all good. the point is we have options. Tomato Tommato.
Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Yes, a 9-year old article from when Touch Id was quite a novelty and people 
tried all sorts of stupid stuff. I'm sure using my nose will be very reliable 
and since baring my chest in the winter to use a nipple or taking off my boots 
to try a toe doesn't seem exactly practical I think I'll stick with Face Id. 
Oh, sorry, forgot the cat's paw, but then again since I think cats don't have 
any use except for catching mice on a farm I think I won’t buy one for that 
purpose and I think my lab's paw is too rough and big for the home button of 
the SE. There is of course one more male body part which I am surprised wasn't 
even mentioned in the article, but once again, I'll keep it where it's warm in 
the winter and I also don't want to get arrested for public exposure.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Well there you go. The beauty of options right? Different strokes for different 
folks. Then again, you can use more than just your fingers for touch ID. People 
do use their nose so they don't have to take off their gloves in colder 
environs. Then you get the more ... adventurous types that use even more body 
parts for touch ID.
https://9to5mac.com/2013/09/21/touch-id-on-iphone-5s-can-be-used-with-more-than-just-your-fingers/

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Origin

RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Well there you go. The beauty of options right? Different strokes for different 
folks. Then again, you can use more than just your fingers for touch ID. People 
do use their nose so they don't have to take off their gloves in colder 
environs. Then you get the more ... adventurous types that use even more body 
parts for touch ID.
https://9to5mac.com/2013/09/21/touch-id-on-iphone-5s-can-be-used-with-more-than-just-your-fingers/

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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RE: can anyone out there use the Libby app from Overdrive?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

DRM's got nothing to do with that. As far as Voiceover reading the text, I 
found that accessible. It was the navigating chapters and continuous reading to 
be wonky. Then again, that was just my experience. Perhaps someone who was more 
determined to figure it out can chime in.

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 7:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: can anyone out there use the Libby app from Overdrive?

 I couldn’t read an e-book in the Libby app at all, unless I opened it as a 
kindle book. You also have the option of EPUB but I didn’t try that because it 
indicated that it had DRM protection and I wasn’t sure that would work with 
voiceover. Libby works great for audiobooks and that’s what I mostly use it 
for. But you can’t beat Kindle for e-books in my opinion. 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can 
be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen

> On Jul 11, 2022, at 9:40 AM, Cristobal Munoz  wrote:
> 
> The Overdrive app for iOS is going to be phased out for Libby. I’ve mainly 
> use Libby for audiobooks. The audiobook experience is completely accessible. 
> Playback can go as fast as 3X. I tried reading one e-book in the same app. It 
> wasn’t really intuitive and I really couldn’t get around it well enough, but 
> I didn’t really stick with it enough to try figuring it out. As someone else 
> mentioned though, you have the option to open e-books in the Kindle app as 
> well though. Not saying that the Libby app isn’t accessible, but I just 
> didn’t have time or the desire to try to figure it out with that book.
> All in all though, the Libby app is pretty much voiceover accessible. I have 
> six library systems connected to it.
> Another app you can consider is CloudLibrary. Some library systems use Libby 
> and others cloud library.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2022, at 8:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dan,
>> 
>> The app I use for reading titles from the public library is Over Drive.  
>> Essentially, it is an older version of Libby, made by the same developer.  
>> Give it a try.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 1:16 PM
>> To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
>> Subject: can anyone out there use the Libby app from Overdrive?
>> 
>> I have installed it and I thought I remembered some folks talking about 
>> using it with VO.  I have opened a book but I can't figure out how to read 
>> the book at all.  I see lots of controls but not text.  Oh yes, it is an 
>> ebook.
>> 
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RE: I have a question that's possibly off topic regarding accessible security system

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

This is the real world application drawback for us. For sighted folks, it’s no 
big deal as they can just at a glance see in the notification screen capture or 
check the history if it was an Amazon or UPS driver doing a tuck and roll 
delivery which often it can be. Very rarely does anyone hang around after 
ringing the doorbell anymore

I’ve had a sign at my front door for years saying “no surveys, cermons or 
solicitations” which has thankfully cut down on most of the unwanted traffic to 
my doorbell.

In practicle terms though, the Ring doesn’t really add that much to the blind 
user experience in my oppinion at least. Mainly for the reasons mentioned 
above. It’s still good to have should something shady were to ever go down and 
have a record of it. The most exciting thing we ever captured was I think a 
bird of prey totally annihilating a dove or some small bird on our front lawn 
in the early morning.

Every blue moon I’ll still get a persistent solicitor or someone who wants to 
save my soul though and that’s when I appreciate having something like the 
Ring. Please read the sign. Thank you, but no. We’re not interested. Again, no. 
Dude… can’t you read?  Please leave. I’m not opening the door. Beat it. Now. 
Lady, get lost. We’re not buying what you’re selling. 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: Marty  
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 6:58 PM
To: Cristobal Muñoz 
Subject: Re: I have a question that's possibly off topic regarding accessible 
security system

 

I wonder why Apple hasn't come up with the iBell or some such that functions 
like Facetime.  This would be a doorbell device that when pressed, your phone 
rings and you answer it like answering a call.  I have an Amcrest Smart 
doorbell and the ap is so inconvenient that by the time I get through the 
screens to answer the doorbell, the person has left.  the Amcrest was supposed 
to have a desktop version that I would be able to answer my door on my 
computer, but it is totally inaccessible.

On 6/13/2022 10:00 AM, Cristobal Muñoz wrote:

Hey man… that’s what sighted spouses are for. Earn your keep sweety and start 
tagging people as you see them.

 

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Subject: RE: I have a question that's possibly off topic regarding accessible 
security system

 

Just don’t totally rely on what the Nest app says is correct, it works, but 
there are times when it mixes up people. You also have to tell the app first 
who is who.

 

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security system

 

Cristobel:

 

That sounds cool.  I hadn’t heard of that feature  with the nest.  A great 
advancement for the blind community. 

 

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RE: I have a question that's possibly off topic regarding accessible security system

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Take a chill pill and you’re welcome  for the input.

 

Cristóbal

 

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Subject: RE: I have a question that's possibly off topic regarding accessible 
security system

 

By the way, is the below message supposed to be funny, I sure did not find it 
humorous!

Actually it’s a bit crude to women and offensive!

 

Hey man… that’s what sighted spouses are for. Earn your keep sweety and start 
tagging people as you see them.

 

 

 

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Subject: RE: I have a question that's possibly off topic regarding accessible 
security system

 

Not everybody may have a sighted spouse, however.

I do have one, but if I were to follow that logic I could just say that is what 
my sighted employees are for when it comes to reading stuff to me, helping me 
with whatever etc. Of course not everybody is in a position where he or she has 
between 2 and 4 sighted employees nearby between 9 AM and 6 PM.

 

 

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Subject: RE: I have a question that's possibly off topic regarding accessible 
security system

 

Hey man… that’s what sighted spouses are for. Earn your keep sweety and start 
tagging people as you see them.

 

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Subject: RE: I have a question that's possibly off topic regarding accessible 
security system

 

Just don’t totally rely on what the Nest app says is correct, it works, but 
there are times when it mixes up people. You also have to tell the app first 
who is who.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Holly
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Subject: Re: I have a question that's possibly off topic regarding accessible 
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Cristobel:

 

That sounds cool.  I hadn’t heard of that feature  with the nest.  A great 
advancement for the blind community. 

 

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RE: screen protector for apple watch?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I don’t have an Apple Watch, but my wife got this protector for her series 7 41 
MM model. It comes in a packet of two. 

Smiling 2 Pack Case Built in Tempered Glass Screen Protector Compatible with 
Apple Watch Series 7 41mm, Hard PC Case Ultra-Thin Bumper Overall Protective 
Cover- Transparent 
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Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wendy Lin
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 8:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: screen protector for apple watch?

 

I don’t have an Apple Watch myself but I’ve always had a screen protector on my 
iPhone. I find it’s best to still keep my Apple devices protected, even though 
I barely drop my phone.





On Nov 27, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

 

I wasn’t able to find one for my series 7,

 

I first tried otterbox or life proof

But they at the time had nothing.

 

Instead I used the phone protection cover which I had for my series 4,

Due to the series 7 being 1 mm larger in size the cover fits perfectly

 

It has a slightly raised edge around the screen that  gives it a slight 
protection.

Other than that 

I’ve not been able to find a screen protection

 

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Malmquist
Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2021 9:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: screen protector for apple watch?

 

Yes all, that is the question.  I have seen what I have done to watches in the 
past so that is the question.  Where to get one and what is the best?  My phone 
I'm not so worried about, but my watch, you better believe it.  Any suggestions 
are appreciated.  Thanks much.


Kay Malmquist
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anybody it does. Light houses don't fire cannons to call attention to their 
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FW: 2021 Thanksgiving and Black Friday Sale

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I already have these apps on my iPhone and PC, but thought I’d share in case
anyone’s interested. Both the iOS and Windows apps are accessible. With Jaws
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Cristóbal

 

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RE: AfterShokz headset question

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I don’t know who said that you can’t mute, but it sure wasn’t me. The process 
that I call janky to mute is my opinion, but I’m not the only one to have the 
same opinion. This is a common theme with feedback from folks who weren’t 
entirely convinced or had gripes about the headset. 

Also, it wasn’t me who said the headset was too quiet. Again, that was the 
feedback I got  from others on the other end of the call. Cell phone to cell 
phone, my iPhone or laptop to cell phones, land line etc. The call quality on 
my end was no different that the Aeropex, but again, folks on the other end had 
trouble hearing me. 

I’m going to pass on giving them an another shot as you suggest since I already 
bought a set from Amazon and directly from AfterShokz as I’d mentioned 
previously. 

To reiterate, I like the concept, the fit was comfortable  and would give them 
another try if and when Aftershokz comes out with version 2.0, but for$160 for 
a headset specifically marketed and “designed” for WFH and other working 
environments, they were and again, for me, just not convincing. Maybe at $80 or 
whatever, sure, but not for $160. 

If you find they work for you though, that’s great.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Saturday, November 6, 2021 4:45 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: AfterShokz headset question

 

Cristobal,

 

I don't know if you watched this video or not, but he did not sound quiet at 
all when he reviewed the headset. Moreover, his complaint was that the headset 
didn't have noise cancellation, not that the headset was too quiet.

 

I still think that you should probably give them another shot if you think they 
are too quiet. In no situation are they too quiet.

 

As for the mute function, it is a press of two buttons, nothing janky about 
them. I can understand that you might want a single button, but saying that 
they cannot mute is just wrong.

 

These weren't made to be used in a call center environment, by the way, they 
are intended for use while out and about, for bike riders, for people who need 
to hear what is going on in their environment.

 

Listen to that review of yours, and you'll see that the quality is pretty 
decent, and far above that $30 headset he was comparing against.

 

 

 

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 11:58 AM Cristobal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I tried a pare from Amazon as well as directly from Aftershokz. I’m on the 
phone all day for my business and there were quite a few people who said the 
same. Sounded too far, muffled and in general not close or crisp. My experience 
is similar to this guy’s YouTube review: https://youtu.be/8FLOK_Eymo8 I wanted 
them to work, but for $160, I just wasn’t convinced with the call quality 
feedback I was receiving. It seems call quality and the lack of a mute button 
are common complaints for people who end up returning them. I know there’s a 
janky mute function by pressing multiple buttons etc., but it just feels too 
clunky. A simple dedicated mute button would make a world of difference. 
Especially for a headset that’s marketed for WFH and teleworking in general. 

If you find it works for you, then that’s great. It just wasn’t the case for 
me. I ended up going back to my Plantronics 5200 headset.

But again, as far as fit and comfort, the opencomm feel like they’ve got more 
give than the Aeropex

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: AfterShokz headset question

 

Hi, 

 

I have to agree with the others here. I have had very good results with the 
Open Comm and those I called all said they could hear me fine. To confirm this, 
I called two people using both the Open Comm and my Trex Titanium and they both 
said it was much clearer with the Open Comm. 

 

At first, it did take me a bit to realize that the boom actually turns from 
back to front. When I first got them, the boom arm was turned back to lay along 
the side of the Open Comm. I had to rotate the boom arm to come around to the 
front and then all went well. I'm wondering if perhaps you tried them with the 
boom arm still turned back on itself. This would have put the microphone back 
behind your ear and would have produced a poor signal. Just a thought.  
Otherwise, perhaps you ended up with a defective set. 

 

Dave Clement

Winnipeg MB

 


On Nov 5, 2021, at 5:36 PM, Marco Curralejo mailto:marco.c...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Definitely agree with Nemo on this 1. I have had a pair since January and had 
absolutely no dramas with them at all. Quite a few people have heard at me 
using them and bought them and had the same experience. Not sure why you are 
getting the low volume and a poor microphone quality when nobody else is.

 

On 6 November 2021 08:57:

RE: AfterShokz headset question

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I ended up returning mine as I got feedback from a few people that I sounded 
distant and in general had a hard time hearing me when I was using them. I 
wanted to use them for work, so poor call quality was a dealbreaker for me. 
Also, the fact that it has no dedicated mute button also turned out to be a 
pain in the butt.

Hopefully they’ll improve on future versions as I like the concept, but if you 
are working from home and want to use them for that, then you may be 
disappointed. As far as the band, it felt like it had more give than the 
Aeropex which was nice.

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AfterShokz headset question

 

Hi, 

 

I find the Open Comm head band to be very comfortable, more so than the band on 
my Trex Titanium. Just how flexible it is I can't say for sure as I did not 
need to try to alter it. 

 

I think the microphone does deliver a better result than other models. It is at 
the end of a pivoting boom arm and thus is closer to your mouth. The boom arm 
also contains a secondd microphone which is used to do some noise cancellation 
functions. This really helps deliver a clear vocal input signal when you are in 
a loud or noisy environment. 

 

Dave Clement

Winnipeg MB

 


On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:15 PM, Nimer Jaber mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Richard,

 

The Aeropex and the OpenComm are similar. The band is quite flexible. That 
said, if the aeropex don’t work for you, I’m not sure the OpenComm will.

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 10:00 Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Nimer, or anyone else,

Is the OpenComm headphones any more adjustable than the Aeropex?  My head is 
slightly too large to where the aeropex comfortably.

 

It sounds like the microphone is a huge improvement in these.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

 

My Web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 8:50 AM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: AfterShokz headset question

 

Hello Maria,

 

I am personally a fan of the Aftershokz OpenComm headset, simply because it is 
similar to their other headsets, particularly the Aeropex, with an added boom 
mic, which greatly enhances the experience for phone calls. Their last few 
generations have included multi-pairing, and this includes the OpenComm.

 

Thanks.

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 7:01 AM Mária Orovčíková mailto:maria.orovcik...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello list,
Please, I would like to hear your opinion which AfterShokz model is the 
best.
Does any model have multipoint function, so that I can have paired two 
devices simultaneously and seamless switching between them without 
having to turn on/off one device or another?
Thank you for your help in advance.
Maria

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RE: App to show a specific calendar group

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I use Fantastical (free version) Google Calendar and the native iPhone app for 
my different calendars. For a  sighted person, it's easy enough to color-code 
different calendar entries. I.E. work, personal etc., but I at least found it 
to be too cluttered to have all my calendars contained in one app. Note, I 
easily have over two hundred appointments that I have to manage for my 
businesses each month. That on top of all my personal stuff, it's just easier 
to have each calendar set up in its own app.

Cristóbal

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Subject: App to show a specific calendar group

Good day. I am looking for an app to show me a specific calendar. For example, 
I have created several calendars in addition to the Home and Work calendars 
provided. If I want to see all of the events in my Doctor calendar, I cannot 
find an easy way to do this in either the native calendar app or in Fantastical 
II, which is the calendar app I normally use. If I go to the calendar options 
in these apps, I'm presented with a list of calendars that I can choose to show 
or hide, such as for holidays, birthdays, or my own calendars. When I choose a 
certain group, I'm not shown a list of events in that group. If I try to do a 
search for a certain calendar group, like my "Family" group, I'm shown a few 
recurring events but not the full list of events which I know are in that 
group. Does anyone know of a way I can view these calendar groups, or an app I 
can use to view them? I'm using an iPhone
11 with iOS 15.0.2, for what it's worth.

Thanks,
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RE: I find iOS 15 to be one of the least buggy upgrades in a long time, what are the more significant bugs you still experience?

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Indeed. It was very distracting. Glad to know it was just a setting. 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 8:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I find iOS 15 to be one of the least buggy upgrades in a long 
time, what are the more significant bugs you still experience?

 

Thanks for that "fix" which is not really a fix but simply a setting which you 
adjust to your liking.

When a new version of iOS comes out it is always a good idea to set aside some 
time and go through all the items in Voiceover settings to see what might be 
new and how changing certain settings make things better for you or not.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Amy 
Ruell
Sent: October 7, 2021 8:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I find iOS 15 to be one of the least buggy upgrades in a long 
time, what are the more significant bugs you still experience?

 

Hi Penny,

Go to settings, accessibility, vision/voice over, audio, sounds and haptics, no 
item discovered, and turn haptic off.

That should do it.

Amy

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Penny Reeder
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I find iOS 15 to be one of the least buggy upgrades in a long 
time, what are the more significant bugs you still experience?

 

Is there a fix on the “haptic on no items” thing? I didn’t know what to call 
it, but i do know it’s driving me crazy! Thanks for Qany advice! Penny

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 7, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Robin Frost mailto:robin...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Richard and all,

Thanks for replying it's greatly appreciated.  I tried that and even tried 
resetting all settings which brought its own fun and didn't impact the 
situation for long. I.e. it'd work for a while and then quit. However, it seems 
that the arrival of 15.0.1 has made things better. I'll take it for as long as 
it lasts.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 10/3/2021 9:17 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I was having issues on my 13 pro with that setting. 

Try toggling it off; restart the phone; toggle it back on and see if it works.

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner 

  

 

 

 

 

website:  www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> 

 

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

 

On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:24 PM, Robin Frost  <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Hi,

I might be late to the party here so if someone else mentioned this already 
pardon the repetition.  My most significant issue with iOS 15 through to 15.0.1 
is tap to wake is broken on my 13 Pro Max but is working on another device 
running a beta version so hopefully it's not device specific and a fix is on 
the horizon. One can hope anyway.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 10/3/2021 2:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My post pointed out my experience and apart from that I was asking about bugs 
others experience, I am not trying to minimize anything.

 

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<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of Maria 
Campbell
Sent: October 2, 2021 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I find iOS 15 to be one of the least buggy upgrades in a long 
time, what are the more significant bugs you still experience?

 

Obviously, one size does not fit all.  Many of us did in fact find annoying 
bugs in 15.  That annoying haptic on no items discovered was terrible, and my 
hey Siri doesn't work on the locked phone, which isn't a biggy, but not a 
problem before.  And, all the phrases removed from hey Siri might be a big 
problem to people with typing issues.  Please stop minimizing the problems of 
some just because they don't affect you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1i...@gmail.com> 
 
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 10/2/2021 4:10 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I can’t’ think of any significant bugs I’ve encountered in IOS 15. In addition, 
you also have to weigh how much a particular bug may impact you against any new 
features you want to take advantage of in IOS 15.

 

--

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Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: I find iOS 15 to be one of the least buggy upgrades in a long time, 

RE: Yes virginia, there is a Santa Claus

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Right now, I just configured the email accounts I need to know about on my 
business iPhone that’s still on iOS 14.8. I now get the alerts in stereo (one 
phone in each pocket), but it’ll work until Apple pushes out a new iOS release 
addressing it. 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Yes virginia, there is a Santa Claus

 

I don't have that issue, either. I just sent my self a test email and made sure 
my phone was unlocked and on the home screen and my iPhone played the email 
sound I have set for my personal account.

I normally have banners for Mail turned off and also don't have it show up in 
Notification Centre, but I enabled temporary banners just to test it and sent 
myself another message with the subject "Another Test".

When it arrived the sound played and Voiceover said "Mail Sieghard Weitzel, 
Another Test, no content". The no content of course because I didn't actually 
write anything in the message body.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: September 27, 2021 9:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Yes virginia, there is a Santa Claus

 

The one major bug I’m dealing with and don’t recall reading about in the 
AppleVis write-up is that when the phone is unlocked, notifications are silent. 
I don’t know if for sighted people the banner comes up, but with VoiceOver at 
least, you are left oblivious as to any sort of incoming notification. In my 
case, I deal with time sensitive emails so it was turning into a bigtime 
annoyance for me. I thought it might have to do with the new focus settings in 
iOS 15, but after monkeying around with that for a while and other settings 
like having VoiceOver speak notifications, nothing changed.

I finally called Apple Accessibility on Friday after the work week was done and 
explained my issue. Turns out, it’s a known bug and they’re “workig on it.” Not 
much Solace since that pretty much means wait till iOS 15.1 comes out. 

Anyway, he documented my call and bug report. He said the more people contact 
them about it, the better.  So… get on it people and bug Apple about it if 
you’re experiencing this too. 

If the phone’s locked or even if I’m on a phone call, the notifications do come 
in. It’s just when it’s unlocked and in use that there is no sound whatsoever. 
Again, no idea if the banners are still popping up, but even with VoiceOver set 
to speak incoming notifications, it doesn’t’ help. 

Other than that, can’t say iOS 15 has been otherwise buggy for me.

 

 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Yes virginia, there is a Santa Claus

 

I find that iOS 15 has very few bugs or at least very few serious bugs. I have 
an iPhone 11 so I don't know if other hardware has different issues, but I have 
no problems with the wallet, no issues with the share sheet and I just fixed 
the app switcher problem where flicking left sometimes doesn't say which app 
you are on by turning off Reduced Motion, this can be found in Voiceover 
Settings > Motion

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: September 27, 2021 1:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Yes virginia, there is a Santa Claus

 

how cool is that! I hope you enjoy your new phone. A friend of mine told me not 
to get it yet because all the bugs need to be ironed out in 15. I want to get 
the new phone that is labeled as Pro Max. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

 

On Sep 26, 2021, at 6:38 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

OK< a completely misleading subject line, but Santa Claus came yesterday 
cleverly disguised as a UPS delivery person with my iPhone 13 Pro, Sierra Blue, 
256GB.

(For those who do not get the reference of the subject line, I will post a link 
to a Wikipedia article at the end of this email.)

 

Yes, UPS made good on the text Saturday morning letting me know that my package 
would be delivered today, not Monday. 

 

We had just helped a friend setup her new iPhone 12 Pro with the wireless data 
transfer from her old 6S, so I was sure my experience would be similar…

You know what happens when you assume?...

 

After 2 hours and a couple of failed attempts, I called Apple Accessibility.

I got a wonderful woman named Regina, who was more than happy to sit with us 
through this

RE: Yes virginia, there is a Santa Claus

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

The one major bug I’m dealing with and don’t recall reading about in the 
AppleVis write-up is that when the phone is unlocked, notifications are silent. 
I don’t know if for sighted people the banner comes up, but with VoiceOver at 
least, you are left oblivious as to any sort of incoming notification. In my 
case, I deal with time sensitive emails so it was turning into a bigtime 
annoyance for me. I thought it might have to do with the new focus settings in 
iOS 15, but after monkeying around with that for a while and other settings 
like having VoiceOver speak notifications, nothing changed.

I finally called Apple Accessibility on Friday after the work week was done and 
explained my issue. Turns out, it’s a known bug and they’re “workig on it.” Not 
much Solace since that pretty much means wait till iOS 15.1 comes out. 

Anyway, he documented my call and bug report. He said the more people contact 
them about it, the better.  So… get on it people and bug Apple about it if 
you’re experiencing this too. 

If the phone’s locked or even if I’m on a phone call, the notifications do come 
in. It’s just when it’s unlocked and in use that there is no sound whatsoever. 
Again, no idea if the banners are still popping up, but even with VoiceOver set 
to speak incoming notifications, it doesn’t’ help. 

Other than that, can’t say iOS 15 has been otherwise buggy for me.

 

 

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Yes virginia, there is a Santa Claus

 

I find that iOS 15 has very few bugs or at least very few serious bugs. I have 
an iPhone 11 so I don't know if other hardware has different issues, but I have 
no problems with the wallet, no issues with the share sheet and I just fixed 
the app switcher problem where flicking left sometimes doesn't say which app 
you are on by turning off Reduced Motion, this can be found in Voiceover 
Settings > Motion

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: September 27, 2021 1:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Yes virginia, there is a Santa Claus

 

how cool is that! I hope you enjoy your new phone. A friend of mine told me not 
to get it yet because all the bugs need to be ironed out in 15. I want to get 
the new phone that is labeled as Pro Max. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

 

On Sep 26, 2021, at 6:38 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

OK< a completely misleading subject line, but Santa Claus came yesterday 
cleverly disguised as a UPS delivery person with my iPhone 13 Pro, Sierra Blue, 
256GB.

(For those who do not get the reference of the subject line, I will post a link 
to a Wikipedia article at the end of this email.)

 

Yes, UPS made good on the text Saturday morning letting me know that my package 
would be delivered today, not Monday. 

 

We had just helped a friend setup her new iPhone 12 Pro with the wireless data 
transfer from her old 6S, so I was sure my experience would be similar…

You know what happens when you assume?...

 

After 2 hours and a couple of failed attempts, I called Apple Accessibility.

I got a wonderful woman named Regina, who was more than happy to sit with us 
through this process.  Of course, it failed for her too.  Then, she had us 
reboot both my SE 2020 and the new iPhone 13 pro and this time, the process 
went very smoothly.  I was afraid I would have to truly start from scratch, but 
it went much faster and got everything trasnferred over.

 

I think the fancy new screen may make a little difference in swiping.  It is 
quite responsive, but that could also be just the new chip.

 

I bought an inexpensive ESR clear case for it, which fits very nicely.  The 
case came with a surprise; a stand.  It is like the decrotive plate holders, a 
plastic V with knotches near the end of each half and it hinges at one end and 
when you spread the sides open, the phone sits at a nice angle in landscape 
mode.

 

I’m listing the observations/opinions in no particular order below.

 

The Sound.  Well, I was expecting better sound.  I was not expecting this 
quality of sound.  When in that little stand that came with the case, sitting 
at my desk about 2 feet in front of the phone, the stereo separation is very 
clear and the sound quality is quite impressive.

Now, my SE 2020 I got last year, had significantly better sound than the SE 
first generation and of course, had the stereo if you had your nose about on 
the display.  The 13 Pro sounds way better than the SE second generation.  
Bigger, clearer, and while the phone is only slightly longer than the SE second 
generation, the separation is noticeably better.

I never heard the 11 or 12 pro, so maybe they are as 

How to get more columns to appear at one time with Google Sheets for iPhone

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Hello list,

So I have a Google Sheets spreadsheet for my company where my subcontractors
invoice after services provided. They submit their bill via Google Forms and
the spreadsheet populates with their data automatically.

While I can navigate a bunch of rows before having to do a three finger
flick up or down, I’m currently only limited to three columns and thus have
to do a lot of three finger flicking left or right if I want to access all
the information on a particular row. My form is so that when the data
populates into the spreadsheet, it goes from column A to column K.

Is there in fact a way to have more columns appear on the iPhone screen at
one time? This is with an iPhone XR, so screen real estate shouldn’t be an
issue.

Thanks in advance,

Cristóbal

 

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