RE: Braille input with IOS

[Rick Alfaro]

Thanks Richard. That’s perfect, just what I was looking for.

 

 

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Here you go Rick: 

 

https://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-braille-screen-input-ios

 

 

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On Dec 21, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Rick Alfaro mailto:rick.alf...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Can anyone point me to a good app or tutorial on using Braille input? I’ve used 
it very little and would like to become more proficient with it. I do know 
grade 2 and uncontracted Brialle but need to learn more on how it’s implemented 
on my iPhone 15 pro. Appreciate any suggestions.

 

 

 

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Re: Braille input with IOS

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Here you go Rick: https://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-braille-screen-input-iosRichard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 21, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:Can anyone point me to a good app or tutorial on using Braille input? I’ve used it very little and would like to become more proficient with it. I do know grade 2 and uncontracted Brialle but need to learn more on how it’s implemented on my iPhone 15 pro. Appreciate any suggestions.   Warmest regards, Rick Alfarorick.alf...@gmail.com 



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Braille input with IOS

[Rick Alfaro]

Can anyone point me to a good app or tutorial on using Braille input? I've
used it very little and would like to become more proficient with it. I do
know grade 2 and uncontracted Brialle but need to learn more on how it's
implemented on my iPhone 15 pro. Appreciate any suggestions.

 

 

 

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Braille Input Mostly Broken in iTunes Store App

[dani pagador]

Hi, Everyone.
Using an iPhone 8 with 13.5.1.

I just got done having a frustrating experience trying to purchase a
gift through the iTunes store. There's a Gift button as the last
choice in the Share option when you find the thing you want to
preview. I can use either a Braille display or BSI to input the
recipient into the To field, but everything goes downhill from there.
When I try to input Braille either with the display or BSI in the From
and Message fields, it doesn't let me. I can input the capital sign,
but can't input any letters or numbers. I'm horrible at the onscreen
print keyboard, so it added to the frustration.
Where do I go to report this problem? Is anyone else experiencing it?

Thanks,
Dani

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Re: Checking out the Braille input option

[Sandy Finley]

Danny,

I love Braille Screen Input.  Swiping left and right with three fingers (while 
you have the phone in landscape mode for BSI)  goes to Contracted Braille and 
what Apple calls Six Dot Braile respectively. In addition to the AppleVis guide 
referred to by  Richard, a list of commands can be found by going to :
1. Settings, 
2. Acccessibility, 
3. VoiceOver
4. Commands,
5. Braille Screen Input.
This is if you have updated to iOS 13. 

Sandy

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> On Sep 23, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Sandy Finley  
> wrote:
> 
> To change t from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> No you can do contracted braille.
>> Go to www.applevis.com
>> and look for braille screen input guide.
>> It is very thorough.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Judy Holloway  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi, Danny. You can use either contracted or uncontracted Braille. This is 
>>> adjusted in the settings. To delete a character, flick left with one 
>>> finger. To delete a word, flick left with two fingers. Flick right with two 
>>> fingers for a new line. Writing in Braille on the iPhone screen is 
>>> wonderful!!
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Judy
>>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2019 10:20 AM, "'Yates, Danney' via VIPhone" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Using I Phone XR and have begun to  play around a bit  with the Braille 
>>> input option.  Anyone know any tips and tricks?  I’m able to do a bit of 
>>> writing but cannot figure out how to delete or backspace.
>>> 
>>> Is this only grade 1?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Danney
>>> 
>>>  
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Re: Checking out the Braille input option

[Richard Turner]

No you can do contracted braille.
Go to www.applevis.com
and look for braille screen input guide.
It is very thorough.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 23, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Judy Holloway  wrote:



Hi, Danny. You can use either contracted or uncontracted Braille. This is 
adjusted in the settings. To delete a character, flick left with one finger. To 
delete a word, flick left with two fingers. Flick right with two fingers for a 
new line. Writing in Braille on the iPhone screen is wonderful!!

Thanks.

Judy

On Sep 23, 2019 10:20 AM, "'Yates, Danney' via VIPhone" 
 wrote:

Using I Phone XR and have begun to  play around a bit  with the Braille input 
option.  Anyone know any tips and tricks?  I’m able to do a bit of writing but 
cannot figure out how to delete or backspace.

Is this only grade 1?



Danney



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Re: Checking out the Braille input option

[Judy Holloway]

Hi, Danny. You can use either contracted or uncontracted Braille. This is adjusted in the settings. To delete a character, flick left with one finger. To delete a word, flick left with two fingers. Flick right with two fingers for a new line. Writing in Braille on the iPhone screen is wonderful!!
Thanks.
Judy

On Sep 23, 2019 10:20 AM, "'Yates, Danney' via VIPhone"  wrote:

Using I Phone XR and have begun to  play around a bit  with the Braille input option.  Anyone know any tips and tricks?  I’m able to do a bit of writing but cannot figure out how
 to delete or backspace.
Is this only grade 1?
 
Danney
 





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Checking out the Braille input option

['Yates, Danney' via VIPhone]

Using I Phone XR and have begun to  play around a bit  with the Braille input 
option.  Anyone know any tips and tricks?  I'm able to do a bit of writing but 
cannot figure out how to delete or backspace.
Is this only grade 1?

Danney

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Re: Problem with braille input after update.

[Sandy Finley]

I recently learned about a BSI feature which, for some reason,  alluded me. If 
you are using table  top mode, swiping three fingers on your right hand down 
will either lock or unlock orientation. If I Unlock orientation, recalibrate 
the dots and then swipe three fingers down tolock orientation, the calibration 
remains longer than when I do not use this feature. hth  Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Mark Muscat  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> Problem solved, however I think it maybe a bug. Found that I left zoom on as 
> I was demonstrating it to someone yesterday.
> Thanks all.
> Regards Mark.
> 
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 14 Feb 2019, at 2:46 am, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't had any problems with it recently, but when I do, oftentimes 
>> switching it between contracted and six-dot, then back to contracted, will 
>> straighten it out. I don't know why this works. 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2019, at 11:17 PM, Mark Muscat  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> Is anyone experiencing a problem with the braille screen input? I’ve just 
>> completed the recent update. Finding the brow input is not working as it 
>> should be. I even tried to calibrate the dots again. Just checking to see if 
>> anyone else is experiencing the same problem. Or if it is a known problem, 
>> is there anything I should do to rectify it?
>> Thanks and regards
>> 
>> 
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Re: Problem with braille input after update.

[Mark Muscat]

Hello all,
Problem solved, however I think it maybe a bug. Found that I left zoom on as I 
was demonstrating it to someone yesterday.
Thanks all.
Regards Mark.


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> On 14 Feb 2019, at 2:46 am, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I haven't had any problems with it recently, but when I do, oftentimes 
> switching it between contracted and six-dot, then back to contracted, will 
> straighten it out. I don't know why this works. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
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> On Feb 12, 2019, at 11:17 PM, Mark Muscat  wrote:
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> Hello
> Is anyone experiencing a problem with the braille screen input? I’ve just 
> completed the recent update. Finding the brow input is not working as it 
> should be. I even tried to calibrate the dots again. Just checking to see if 
> anyone else is experiencing the same problem. Or if it is a known problem, is 
> there anything I should do to rectify it?
> Thanks and regards
> 
> 
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Re: Problem with braille input after update.

[Arnold Schmidt]

I haven't had any problems with it recently, but when I do, oftentimes 
switching it between contracted and six-dot, then back to contracted, will 
straighten it out. I don't know why this works. 

Arnold Schmidt 


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On Feb 12, 2019, at 11:17 PM, Mark Muscat  wrote:

Hello
Is anyone experiencing a problem with the braille screen input? I’ve just 
completed the recent update. Finding the brow input is not working as it should 
be. I even tried to calibrate the dots again. Just checking to see if anyone 
else is experiencing the same problem. Or if it is a known problem, is there 
anything I should do to rectify it?
Thanks and regards


Mark Muscat
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Problem with braille input after update.

[Mark Muscat]

Hello
Is anyone experiencing a problem with the braille screen input? I’ve just 
completed the recent update. Finding the brow input is not working as it should 
be. I even tried to calibrate the dots again. Just checking to see if anyone 
else is experiencing the same problem. Or if it is a known problem, is there 
anything I should do to rectify it?
Thanks and regards


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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Yes, tracking down what is actually causing the problem is like trying to be a 
super sleuth when you know you’ve scarcely got a clue...

> On 3 Feb 2019, at 16:52, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
> 
> Dear Harry & List:
> 
> It is clues such as it works with onscreen keyboard but not from the Orbit 
> which help software authors/revisers, track down the source of the error.
> 
> Friend of mine would phone me occasionally to say the paper feeder on her 
> Diablo 630 HPRO5 printer died. I would ask what death sounds it made. She 
> would describe them. I would say sounds like motor turning, however, gears 
> not meshing. She would phone distributor who ran the repair depot including 
> my comment. Repairperson said her descriptions were usually spot on! He knew 
> which parts too bring.
> 
> One day she said printer was blowing circuit cards rapidly. She listed the 
> cards, I said about all I thought they had in common was power. She mentioned 
> my comment to the repairperson who pulled out his voltmeter, which registered 
> 24 bolts coning from a 12-volt supply! He said I was correct, her regulator 
> chip had died. The bugler blew Taps for the chip, which died in action, 
> replaced it with new regulator, and was the last she saw of her repairperson 
> in months.
> 
> Machinery often gives audible & other clues as to what is wrong with it. We 
> have to recognize the symptoms & advise the fixer of them.
> 
> If a sheet feeder makes sounds like paper jammed in gears, it probably is 
> jammed paper causing it to missfeed.
> 
> Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.
> 
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: 
> January 31, 2019 3:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille input problem in Mail app
> 
> Thanks, Brian!
> You are right: when the Orbit refuses to recognise the command for capitals 
> or numbers, I can reach over to use the on-screen keyboard on my iPhone XS, 
> which does suggest it is an Orbit firmware bug. 
> I will get Orbit onto it!
> Regards
> Harry
> 
>> On 31 Jan 2019, at 07:57, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Harry & List:
>> 
>> Check with Apple Disability Support (877) 204-3039. Also with the makers of 
>> the Orbit. First thing to check is can you use the on-screen keyboard of 
>> your phone or IPad to enter a capital letter. If you can, it is an Orbit 
>> problem. Let the Orbit people know you tried the phone and it is working OK.
>> 
>> Bad firmware is bothersome.
>> /Brian K. Lingard
>> 
>> 
>> Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.
>> 
>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: 
>> January 29, 2019 1:06 PM
>> To: Abridged Recipients 
>> Subject: Braille input problem in Mail app
>> 
>> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
>> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 
>> 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters 
>> and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the 
>> Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the 
>> Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does 
>> anyone have such problems or solutions?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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RE: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Brian K. Lingard]

Dear Harry & List:

It is clues such as it works with onscreen keyboard but not from the Orbit 
which help software authors/revisers, track down the source of the error.

Friend of mine would phone me occasionally to say the paper feeder on her 
Diablo 630 HPRO5 printer died. I would ask what death sounds it made. She would 
describe them. I would say sounds like motor turning, however, gears not 
meshing. She would phone distributor who ran the repair depot including my 
comment. Repairperson said her descriptions were usually spot on! He knew which 
parts too bring.

One day she said printer was blowing circuit cards rapidly. She listed the 
cards, I said about all I thought they had in common was power. She mentioned 
my comment to the repairperson who pulled out his voltmeter, which registered 
24 bolts coning from a 12-volt supply! He said I was correct, her regulator 
chip had died. The bugler blew Taps for the chip, which died in action, 
replaced it with new regulator, and was the last she saw of her repairperson in 
months.

Machinery often gives audible & other clues as to what is wrong with it. We 
have to recognize the symptoms & advise the fixer of them.

If a sheet feeder makes sounds like paper jammed in gears, it probably is 
jammed paper causing it to missfeed.

Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.

From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: January 
31, 2019 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

Thanks, Brian!
You are right: when the Orbit refuses to recognise the command for capitals or 
numbers, I can reach over to use the on-screen keyboard on my iPhone XS, which 
does suggest it is an Orbit firmware bug. 
I will get Orbit onto it!
Regards
Harry

> On 31 Jan 2019, at 07:57, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Harry & List:
> 
> Check with Apple Disability Support (877) 204-3039. Also with the makers of 
> the Orbit. First thing to check is can you use the on-screen keyboard of your 
> phone or IPad to enter a capital letter. If you can, it is an Orbit problem. 
> Let the Orbit people know you tried the phone and it is working OK.
> 
> Bad firmware is bothersome.
> /Brian K. Lingard
> 
> 
> Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.
> 
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: 
> January 29, 2019 1:06 PM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Braille input problem in Mail app
> 
> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 
> which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and 
> numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail 
> app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit 
> firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have 
> such problems or solutions?
> Thanks
> Harry

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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Richard!boddly, your instructions worked a treat on my iPad iOS 12.2 
beta, but when I tried on my iPhone iOS 12.1.3 that did not work and in the 
process of adjusting the settings on the iPhone, the Orbit Reader became 
utterly unresponsive: the iPhone declared. It was connected, but no keyboard 
input was recognised! I tried forget this device, restarting, rebooting, 
nothing worked - and then somehow, the orbit started being recognised again. 
Shudder! I think I’ll use it with my iPad instead if I cannot sort the iPhone!
Thanks again. 
Harry

> On 31 Jan 2019, at 13:55, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hello again, 
> You need you braille settings on the iPhone to be on contracted, not 6 dot.  
> At least, that is my setting and I'm not having the issue.
> PS. Apple's accessibility is 1-877-204-3930. Brian had it as 3039 at the end. 
> Richard
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> I am writing this on my Orbit Reader 20, running version 57 and my iPhone SE 
>> running iOS 12.1.3. 
>> As you can tell if you read by letter I'm having no issues with number signs 
>> or capital signs.
>> I forgot to check my braille  settings, but I think you want input set to 
>> contracted.
>> I'll check my settings and write again shortly.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't 
>> have any." -- Alice Walker
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:10 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Could anyone who uses a Braille keyboard let me know if they have problems 
>>> getting capital letters or numbers when replying to an email in the Mail 
>>> app using iOS 12.1.3 or the beta of iOS 12.2? I’ve just borrowed a 
>>> BraillePen Slim and it has the same problem as the Orbit Reader - and only 
>>> when replying to emails in the Mail app. That is on both iPhone XS iOS 
>>> 12.1,3 and on iPad 2018 iOS 12.2 beta. So perhaps it is an iOS bug after 
>>> all?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>>>> On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently 
>>>> issued some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille 
>>>> input. I did that once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of 
>>>> trouble when trying to do things like log into my banking app. For that 
>>>> reason I switched to eight-dot Computer Braille and left it that way. Go 
>>>> to Settings > General > Accessibility > Voiceover > Braille. Check to see 
>>>> what Braille Input is set to; perhaps you accidentally switched it to 
>>>> eight-dot Computer Braille. If you did, switch it back to either 
>>>> uncontracted or contracted six-dot, whichever you prefer. Just a thought: 
>>>> let us know what happens. Oh, and if anybody knows what command you use to 
>>>> switch Braille input on the fly, please post it here so that I can make a 
>>>> note of it. 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tom  
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
>>>>> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit 
>>>>> Reader 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital 
>>>>> letters and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but 
>>>>> not in the Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both 
>>>>> iOS and the Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault 
>>>>> lies. Does anyone have such problems or solutions?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Harry
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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Richard Turner]

Hello again,
You need you braille settings on the iPhone to be on contracted, not 6 dot.  At 
least, that is my setting and I'm not having the issue.
PS. Apple's accessibility is 1-877-204-3930. Brian had it as 3039 at the end. 
Richard


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jan 31, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello,
I am writing this on my Orbit Reader 20, running version 57 and my iPhone SE 
running iOS 12.1.3.
As you can tell if you read by letter I'm having no issues with number signs or 
capital signs.
I forgot to check my braille  settings, but I think you want input set to 
contracted.
I'll check my settings and write again shortly.
Richard



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:10 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Could anyone who uses a Braille keyboard let me know if they have problems 
getting capital letters or numbers when replying to an email in the Mail app 
using iOS 12.1.3 or the beta of iOS 12.2? I’ve just borrowed a BraillePen Slim 
and it has the same problem as the Orbit Reader - and only when replying to 
emails in the Mail app. That is on both iPhone XS iOS 12.1,3 and on iPad 2018 
iOS 12.2 beta. So perhaps it is an iOS bug after all?
Thanks
Harry

On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange 
mailto:lang...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently issued 
some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I did that 
once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when trying to do 
things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched to eight-dot 
Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General > Accessibility 
> Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set to; perhaps you 
accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If you did, switch it 
back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, whichever you prefer. Just a 
thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if anybody knows what command you 
use to switch Braille input on the fly, please post it here so that I can make 
a note of it.
Thanks,
Tom

On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when composing 
emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 which I 
recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and numbers work 
fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail app nor in the 
Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit firmware very 
recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have such problems 
or solutions?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Richard Turner]

Hello,
I am writing this on my Orbit Reader 20, running version 57 and my iPhone SE 
running iOS 12.1.3.
As you can tell if you read by letter I'm having no issues with number signs or 
capital signs.
I forgot to check my braille  settings, but I think you want input set to 
contracted.
I'll check my settings and write again shortly.
Richard



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On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:10 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Could anyone who uses a Braille keyboard let me know if they have problems 
getting capital letters or numbers when replying to an email in the Mail app 
using iOS 12.1.3 or the beta of iOS 12.2? I’ve just borrowed a BraillePen Slim 
and it has the same problem as the Orbit Reader - and only when replying to 
emails in the Mail app. That is on both iPhone XS iOS 12.1,3 and on iPad 2018 
iOS 12.2 beta. So perhaps it is an iOS bug after all?
Thanks
Harry

On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange 
mailto:lang...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently issued 
some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I did that 
once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when trying to do 
things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched to eight-dot 
Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General > Accessibility 
> Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set to; perhaps you 
accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If you did, switch it 
back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, whichever you prefer. Just a 
thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if anybody knows what command you 
use to switch Braille input on the fly, please post it here so that I can make 
a note of it.
Thanks,
Tom

On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when composing 
emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 which I 
recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and numbers work 
fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail app nor in the 
Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit firmware very 
recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have such problems 
or solutions?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Could anyone who uses a Braille keyboard let me know if they have problems 
getting capital letters or numbers when replying to an email in the Mail app 
using iOS 12.1.3 or the beta of iOS 12.2? I’ve just borrowed a BraillePen Slim 
and it has the same problem as the Orbit Reader - and only when replying to 
emails in the Mail app. That is on both iPhone XS iOS 12.1,3 and on iPad 2018 
iOS 12.2 beta. So perhaps it is an iOS bug after all?
Thanks
Harry

> On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently 
> issued some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I 
> did that once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when 
> trying to do things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched 
> to eight-dot Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General 
> > Accessibility > Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set 
> to; perhaps you accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If 
> you did, switch it back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, 
> whichever you prefer. Just a thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if 
> anybody knows what command you use to switch Braille input on the fly, please 
> post it here so that I can make a note of it. 
> Thanks,
> Tom  
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
>> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 
>> 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters 
>> and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the 
>> Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the 
>> Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does 
>> anyone have such problems or solutions?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Brian!
You are right: when the Orbit refuses to recognise the command for capitals or 
numbers, I can reach over to use the on-screen keyboard on my iPhone XS, which 
does suggest it is an Orbit firmware bug. 
I’ll get Orbit onto it!
Regards
Harry

> On 31 Jan 2019, at 07:57, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
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> 
> Dear Harry & List:
> 
> Check with Apple Disability Support (877) 204-3039. Also with the makers of 
> the Orbit. First thing to check is can you use the on-screen keyboard of your 
> phone or IPad to enter a capital letter. If you can, it is an Orbit problem. 
> Let the Orbit people know you tried the phone and it is working OK.
> 
> Bad firmware is bothersome.
> /Brian K. Lingard
> 
> 
> Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: 
> January 29, 2019 1:06 PM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Braille input problem in Mail app
> 
> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 
> which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and 
> numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail 
> app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit 
> firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have 
> such problems or solutions?
> Thanks
> Harry
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RE: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Brian K. Lingard]

Dear Harry & List:

Check with Apple Disability Support (877) 204-3039. Also with the makers of the 
Orbit. First thing to check is can you use the on-screen keyboard of your phone 
or IPad to enter a capital letter. If you can, it is an Orbit problem. Let the 
Orbit people know you tried the phone and it is working OK.

Bad firmware is bothersome.
/Brian K. Lingard


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-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: January 
29, 2019 1:06 PM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Braille input problem in Mail app

I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when composing 
emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 which I 
recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and numbers work 
fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail app nor in the 
Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit firmware very 
recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have such problems 
or solutions?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Hi, Tom!
I’ve checked and my iPhone is set to UEB six dot. Curious how it is now only 
when replying to emails that the problem now arises with capital letters and 
numbers! 
Mysteries, mysteries...
Thanks
Harry

> On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently 
> issued some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I 
> did that once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when 
> trying to do things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched 
> to eight-dot Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General 
> > Accessibility > Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set 
> to; perhaps you accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If 
> you did, switch it back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, 
> whichever you prefer. Just a thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if 
> anybody knows what command you use to switch Braille input on the fly, please 
> post it here so that I can make a note of it. 
> Thanks,
> Tom  
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
>> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 
>> 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters 
>> and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the 
>> Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the 
>> Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does 
>> anyone have such problems or solutions?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

thanks, tom and anna! i have narrowed the problem down to just one area which 
is that when i reply to an email, as i am doing now, i cannot get capital 
letters nor numbers. i can get them when i compose or forward an email but not 
when i reply! today all other apps are working fine with the orbit reader. does 
this mean it is a bug in ios or in orbit?
thanks
harry 

> On 30 Jan 2019, at 01:31, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently 
> issued some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I 
> did that once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when 
> trying to do things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched 
> to eight-dot Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General 
> > Accessibility > Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set 
> to; perhaps you accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If 
> you did, switch it back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, 
> whichever you prefer. Just a thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if 
> anybody knows what command you use to switch Braille input on the fly, please 
> post it here so that I can make a note of it. 
> Thanks,
> Tom  
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
>> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 
>> 20 which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters 
>> and numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the 
>> Mail app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the 
>> Orbit firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does 
>> anyone have such problems or solutions?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Braille input problem in Mail app

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
This is just a wild guess, but it may be possible that you inadvertently issued 
some command from your Orbit Reader that changed your Braille input. I did that 
once a long time ago and it caused me all kinds of trouble when trying to do 
things like log into my banking app. For that reason I switched to eight-dot 
Computer Braille and left it that way. Go to Settings > General > Accessibility 
> Voiceover > Braille. Check to see what Braille Input is set to; perhaps you 
accidentally switched it to eight-dot Computer Braille. If you did, switch it 
back to either uncontracted or contracted six-dot, whichever you prefer. Just a 
thought: let us know what happens. Oh, and if anybody knows what command you 
use to switch Braille input on the fly, please post it here so that I can make 
a note of it. 
Thanks,
Tom  

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when 
> composing emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 
> which I recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and 
> numbers work fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail 
> app nor in the Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit 
> firmware very recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have 
> such problems or solutions?
> Thanks
> Harry
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Braille input problem in Mail app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I can no longer type capital letters nor numbers in the Mail app when composing 
emails. I am running iOS 12.1.3 on iPhone XS and an Orbit Reader 20 which I 
recently updated to firmware version 01.01.57. Capital letters and numbers work 
fine in Notes, Pages, Contacts and Calendar but not in the Mail app nor in the 
Safari search bar. Because I updated both iOS and the Orbit firmware very 
recently, I have no idea where the fault lies. Does anyone have such problems 
or solutions?
Thanks
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Re: Using Braille input, and locking in tabletop mode

[englishrider91]

Terry, having your earpiece to the left won't make anything backward for you. 
You may want to go find the Guide to Braille Screen Input on AppleVis. There's 
a section or comment in the guide about what to do if your dots do get flipped 
around. They explained it better than I could at the moment. I'm rather sleepy.

Anyhow, good luck with this new writing mode for you. It's great.

Also, you don't have to actually have the phone on a table to do tabletop mode. 
The way I hold it is to have my thumbs on the back of the phone with the bottom 
corners resting on the balls of my fingers, right by my palms. The corners are 
usually resting sort of between the pointer and middle fingers. I then tilt the 
phone toward me a little. I hope this is making sense.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Aug 19, 2018, at 2:20 AM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all who have been kind enough to respond to this.
> 
> 
> I really appreciate the help. Now I have another question, or 2.
> 
> 
> How do you all hold your phones?
> 
> I wonder this, because considering how I am holding my phone will likely 
> affect how the orientation is set. At least, I would think so, anyway.
> 
> 
> So if I am texting, or something like that, I usually hold my phone up 
> straight, as if I were going to put it to my ear. I hold it in my left hand, 
> as I am prodominately left-handed. I use my right hand to tap the screen and 
> such.
> 
> 
> So if I want my Braille input screen to be in the tabletop mode, can I lay my 
> phone down with the earpiece to the left?
> 
> Now I am assuming this will make things somewhat backward for me?
> 
> 
> I think I have a couple more questions. But at the moment I can't remember 
> them. So any help again is much appreciated. I am determined to figure this 
> out.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
> 
>> On 8/18/2018 8:12 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:
>> Hello Terry,
>> 
>> First, table top mode is only used when typing with braille input.  You 
>> would face your phone as you normally do while navigating on your phone.
>> Braille input is used to type in an edit field, like a text message or 
>> email, not to navigate your phone.
>> 
>> Now if you always want to use table top mode when typing with Braille Input, 
>> then while in table top mode, just do a three finger swipe across your phone 
>> toward you.  This will lock the Braille input orientation, so every time you 
>> switch to Braille input, it will automatically be in table top mode, and it 
>> will not change just because you move or pick up your phone.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have just recently learned about the Braille input method. I did not 
>>> realize this was something I could do with my phone. I kind of feel like a 
>>> dork! LOL!
>>> Anyway, now that I am aware of it, I want to learn how to use it. I 
>>> followed some great instructions I got. But I am thinking I am not doing 
>>> something right.
>>> 
>>> When I go in to the rotter, and to Braille input, it’s set on the away 
>>> screen. When I am holding the phone long-ways, and on it’s side. When I lay 
>>> it flat, it states tabletop mode. I want to keep it here, I believe. So I 
>>> swipe to lock it. I keep thinking I have it. But maybe not?
>>> 
>>> The layout then looks funny to me. I seem to have to swipe sideways to see 
>>> all my Apps.
>>> Is this how it should be?
>>> And once I am on an App I want to open, how do I get it to do just that?
>>> Double-typing on it now doesn’t seem to work.
>>> 
>>> Also, how do I switch back to the regular phone settings?
>>> Also, if my phone is normally locked in portrait mode, do I need to change 
>>> this setting, before going to the Braille input screen?
>>> 
>>> Thank you in advance for any help. This is all quite odd to me, but very 
>>> exciting.
>>> 
>>> Terri
>>> 
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Re: Using Braille input, and locking in tabletop mode

[l . d . ethier23]

Hello Terri,
Îm holding my phone as you ask.
Try this; set your rotor to braille input , hold your phone landscape whith 
your home button to the left and hold it a bit higher the side close to you and 
try to flip three fingers down to lock.
Hoping it’s understandable

Lyne

> Le 19 août 2018 à 08:25, Chris Chaffin  a écrit :
> 
> Terri,
> 
> I hold my phone with the home button to the right when using Braille Input 
> and do not have a problem.
> If things do not work right for you, you can try recalibrating it by placing 
> your 3 fingers from your right hand on the screen then the fingers from your 
> left hand.
> But normally you very seldom have to do this.
> 
> The best thing to do is to start the notes app, and just practice.  The more 
> you use it, the more comfortable you will get.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 2:20 AM, Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all who have been kind enough to respond to this.
>> 
>> 
>> I really appreciate the help. Now I have another question, or 2.
>> 
>> 
>> How do you all hold your phones?
>> 
>> I wonder this, because considering how I am holding my phone will likely 
>> affect how the orientation is set. At least, I would think so, anyway.
>> 
>> 
>> So if I am texting, or something like that, I usually hold my phone up 
>> straight, as if I were going to put it to my ear. I hold it in my left hand, 
>> as I am prodominately left-handed. I use my right hand to tap the screen and 
>> such.
>> 
>> 
>> So if I want my Braille input screen to be in the tabletop mode, can I lay 
>> my phone down with the earpiece to the left?
>> 
>> Now I am assuming this will make things somewhat backward for me?
>> 
>> 
>> I think I have a couple more questions. But at the moment I can't remember 
>> them. So any help again is much appreciated. I am determined to figure this 
>> out.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
>>> On 8/18/2018 8:12 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:
>>> Hello Terry,
>>> 
>>> First, table top mode is only used when typing with braille input.  You 
>>> would face your phone as you normally do while navigating on your phone.
>>> Braille input is used to type in an edit field, like a text message or 
>>> email, not to navigate your phone.
>>> 
>>> Now if you always want to use table top mode when typing with Braille 
>>> Input, then while in table top mode, just do a three finger swipe across 
>>> your phone toward you.  This will lock the Braille input orientation, so 
>>> every time you switch to Braille input, it will automatically be in table 
>>> top mode, and it will not change just because you move or pick up your 
>>> phone.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Terri Stimmel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I have just recently learned about the Braille input method. I did not 
>>>> realize this was something I could do with my phone. I kind of feel like a 
>>>> dork! LOL!
>>>> Anyway, now that I am aware of it, I want to learn how to use it. I 
>>>> followed some great instructions I got. But I am thinking I am not doing 
>>>> something right.
>>>> 
>>>> When I go in to the rotter, and to Braille input, it’s set on the away 
>>>> screen. When I am holding the phone long-ways, and on it’s side. When I 
>>>> lay it flat, it states tabletop mode. I want to keep it here, I believe. 
>>>> So I swipe to lock it. I keep thinking I have it. But maybe not?
>>>> 
>>>> The layout then looks funny to me. I seem to have to swipe sideways to see 
>>>> all my Apps.
>>>> Is this how it should be?
>>>> And once I am on an App I want to open, how do I get it to do just that?
>>>> Double-typing on it now doesn’t seem to work.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, how do I switch back to the regular phone settings?
>>>> Also, if my phone is normally locked in portrait mode, do I need to change 
>>>> this setting, before going to the Braille input screen?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you in advance for any help. This is all quite odd to me, but very 
>>>> exciting.
>>>> 
>>>> Terri
>>>> 
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Re: Using Braille input, and locking in tabletop mode

[Chris Chaffin]

Terri,

I hold my phone with the home button to the right when using Braille Input and 
do not have a problem.
If things do not work right for you, you can try recalibrating it by placing 
your 3 fingers from your right hand on the screen then the fingers from your 
left hand.
But normally you very seldom have to do this.

The best thing to do is to start the notes app, and just practice.  The more 
you use it, the more comfortable you will get.

Hope this helps.

Chris


> On Aug 19, 2018, at 2:20 AM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all who have been kind enough to respond to this.
> 
> 
> I really appreciate the help. Now I have another question, or 2.
> 
> 
> How do you all hold your phones?
> 
> I wonder this, because considering how I am holding my phone will likely 
> affect how the orientation is set. At least, I would think so, anyway.
> 
> 
> So if I am texting, or something like that, I usually hold my phone up 
> straight, as if I were going to put it to my ear. I hold it in my left hand, 
> as I am prodominately left-handed. I use my right hand to tap the screen and 
> such.
> 
> 
> So if I want my Braille input screen to be in the tabletop mode, can I lay my 
> phone down with the earpiece to the left?
> 
> Now I am assuming this will make things somewhat backward for me?
> 
> 
> I think I have a couple more questions. But at the moment I can't remember 
> them. So any help again is much appreciated. I am determined to figure this 
> out.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
> 
>> On 8/18/2018 8:12 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:
>> Hello Terry,
>> 
>> First, table top mode is only used when typing with braille input.  You 
>> would face your phone as you normally do while navigating on your phone.
>> Braille input is used to type in an edit field, like a text message or 
>> email, not to navigate your phone.
>> 
>> Now if you always want to use table top mode when typing with Braille Input, 
>> then while in table top mode, just do a three finger swipe across your phone 
>> toward you.  This will lock the Braille input orientation, so every time you 
>> switch to Braille input, it will automatically be in table top mode, and it 
>> will not change just because you move or pick up your phone.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have just recently learned about the Braille input method. I did not 
>>> realize this was something I could do with my phone. I kind of feel like a 
>>> dork! LOL!
>>> Anyway, now that I am aware of it, I want to learn how to use it. I 
>>> followed some great instructions I got. But I am thinking I am not doing 
>>> something right.
>>> 
>>> When I go in to the rotter, and to Braille input, it’s set on the away 
>>> screen. When I am holding the phone long-ways, and on it’s side. When I lay 
>>> it flat, it states tabletop mode. I want to keep it here, I believe. So I 
>>> swipe to lock it. I keep thinking I have it. But maybe not?
>>> 
>>> The layout then looks funny to me. I seem to have to swipe sideways to see 
>>> all my Apps.
>>> Is this how it should be?
>>> And once I am on an App I want to open, how do I get it to do just that?
>>> Double-typing on it now doesn’t seem to work.
>>> 
>>> Also, how do I switch back to the regular phone settings?
>>> Also, if my phone is normally locked in portrait mode, do I need to change 
>>> this setting, before going to the Braille input screen?
>>> 
>>> Thank you in advance for any help. This is all quite odd to me, but very 
>>> exciting.
>>> 
>>> Terri
>>> 
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Re: Using Braille input, and locking in tabletop mode

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello all who have been kind enough to respond to this.


I really appreciate the help. Now I have another question, or 2.


How do you all hold your phones?

I wonder this, because considering how I am holding my phone will likely affect 
how the orientation is set. At least, I would think so, anyway.


So if I am texting, or something like that, I usually hold my phone up 
straight, as if I were going to put it to my ear. I hold it in my left hand, as 
I am prodominately left-handed. I use my right hand to tap the screen and such.


So if I want my Braille input screen to be in the tabletop mode, can I lay my 
phone down with the earpiece to the left?

Now I am assuming this will make things somewhat backward for me?


I think I have a couple more questions. But at the moment I can't remember 
them. So any help again is much appreciated. I am determined to figure this out.


Thank you,


Terri

On 8/18/2018 8:12 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:
Hello Terry,

First, table top mode is only used when typing with braille input.  You would 
face your phone as you normally do while navigating on your phone.
Braille input is used to type in an edit field, like a text message or email, 
not to navigate your phone.

Now if you always want to use table top mode when typing with Braille Input, 
then while in table top mode, just do a three finger swipe across your phone 
toward you.  This will lock the Braille input orientation, so every time you 
switch to Braille input, it will automatically be in table top mode, and it 
will not change just because you move or pick up your phone.

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Aug 18, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Terri Stimmel 
mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have just recently learned about the Braille input method. I did not realize 
this was something I could do with my phone. I kind of feel like a dork! LOL!
Anyway, now that I am aware of it, I want to learn how to use it. I followed 
some great instructions I got. But I am thinking I am not doing something right.

When I go in to the rotter, and to Braille input, it’s set on the away screen. 
When I am holding the phone long-ways, and on it’s side. When I lay it flat, it 
states tabletop mode. I want to keep it here, I believe. So I swipe to lock it. 
I keep thinking I have it. But maybe not?

The layout then looks funny to me. I seem to have to swipe sideways to see all 
my Apps.
Is this how it should be?
And once I am on an App I want to open, how do I get it to do just that?
Double-typing on it now doesn’t seem to work.

Also, how do I switch back to the regular phone settings?
Also, if my phone is normally locked in portrait mode, do I need to change this 
setting, before going to the Braille input screen?

Thank you in advance for any help. This is all quite odd to me, but very 
exciting.

Terri

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Re: Using Braille input, and locking in tabletop mode

[l . d . ethier23]

Sorry but, you can use it to open apps too

Lyne

> Le 18 août 2018 à 21:12, Chris Chaffin  a écrit :
> 
> Hello Terry,
> 
> First, table top mode is only used when typing with braille input.  You would 
> face your phone as you normally do while navigating on your phone.
> Braille input is used to type in an edit field, like a text message or email, 
> not to navigate your phone.
> 
> Now if you always want to use table top mode when typing with Braille Input, 
> then while in table top mode, just do a three finger swipe across your phone 
> toward you.  This will lock the Braille input orientation, so every time you 
> switch to Braille input, it will automatically be in table top mode, and it 
> will not change just because you move or pick up your phone.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have just recently learned about the Braille input method. I did not 
>> realize this was something I could do with my phone. I kind of feel like a 
>> dork! LOL!
>> Anyway, now that I am aware of it, I want to learn how to use it. I followed 
>> some great instructions I got. But I am thinking I am not doing something 
>> right.
>> 
>> When I go in to the rotter, and to Braille input, it’s set on the away 
>> screen. When I am holding the phone long-ways, and on it’s side. When I lay 
>> it flat, it states tabletop mode. I want to keep it here, I believe. So I 
>> swipe to lock it. I keep thinking I have it. But maybe not?
>> 
>> The layout then looks funny to me. I seem to have to swipe sideways to see 
>> all my Apps.
>> Is this how it should be?
>> And once I am on an App I want to open, how do I get it to do just that?
>> Double-typing on it now doesn’t seem to work.
>> 
>> Also, how do I switch back to the regular phone settings?
>> Also, if my phone is normally locked in portrait mode, do I need to change 
>> this setting, before going to the Braille input screen?
>> 
>> Thank you in advance for any help. This is all quite odd to me, but very 
>> exciting.
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS
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Re: Using Braille input, and locking in tabletop mode

[l . d . ethier23]

Hello,
To turn back to regular mode you just have to turn rotor 
Two open apps you just have to swipe two fingers to the right

Lyne

> Le 18 août 2018 à 20:31, Maria Reyes  a écrit :
> 
> Hi, 
> You can't really lock it into table top mode. You can lock the orientation, 
> though. A three finger swipe up will lock the orientation. So if you have 
> your phone with your home button to the left and lock the orientation, the 
> phone will stay that way.On Aug 18, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Terri Stimmel 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have just recently learned about the Braille input method. I did not 
>> realize this was something I could do with my phone. I kind of feel like a 
>> dork! LOL!
>> Anyway, now that I am aware of it, I want to learn how to use it. I followed 
>> some great instructions I got. But I am thinking I am not doing something 
>> right.
>> 
>> When I go in to the rotter, and to Braille input, it’s set on the away 
>> screen. When I am holding the phone long-ways, and on it’s side. When I lay 
>> it flat, it states tabletop mode. I want to keep it here, I believe. So I 
>> swipe to lock it. I keep thinking I have it. But maybe not?
>> 
>> The layout then looks funny to me. I seem to have to swipe sideways to see 
>> all my Apps.
>> Is this how it should be?
>> And once I am on an App I want to open, how do I get it to do just that?
>> Double-typing on it now doesn’t seem to work.
>> 
>> Also, how do I switch back to the regular phone settings?
>> Also, if my phone is normally locked in portrait mode, do I need to change 
>> this setting, before going to the Braille input screen?
>> 
>> Thank you in advance for any help. This is all quite odd to me, but very 
>> exciting.
>> 
>> Terri
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Re: Using Braille input, and locking in tabletop mode

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello Terry,

First, table top mode is only used when typing with braille input.  You would 
face your phone as you normally do while navigating on your phone.
Braille input is used to type in an edit field, like a text message or email, 
not to navigate your phone.

Now if you always want to use table top mode when typing with Braille Input, 
then while in table top mode, just do a three finger swipe across your phone 
toward you.  This will lock the Braille input orientation, so every time you 
switch to Braille input, it will automatically be in table top mode, and it 
will not change just because you move or pick up your phone.

Hope this helps.

Chris


> On Aug 18, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have just recently learned about the Braille input method. I did not 
> realize this was something I could do with my phone. I kind of feel like a 
> dork! LOL!
> Anyway, now that I am aware of it, I want to learn how to use it. I followed 
> some great instructions I got. But I am thinking I am not doing something 
> right.
> 
> When I go in to the rotter, and to Braille input, it’s set on the away 
> screen. When I am holding the phone long-ways, and on it’s side. When I lay 
> it flat, it states tabletop mode. I want to keep it here, I believe. So I 
> swipe to lock it. I keep thinking I have it. But maybe not?
> 
> The layout then looks funny to me. I seem to have to swipe sideways to see 
> all my Apps.
> Is this how it should be?
> And once I am on an App I want to open, how do I get it to do just that?
> Double-typing on it now doesn’t seem to work.
> 
> Also, how do I switch back to the regular phone settings?
> Also, if my phone is normally locked in portrait mode, do I need to change 
> this setting, before going to the Braille input screen?
> 
> Thank you in advance for any help. This is all quite odd to me, but very 
> exciting.
> 
> Terri
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Re: Using Braille input, and locking in tabletop mode

[Maria Reyes]

Hi, 
You can't really lock it into table top mode. You can lock the orientation, 
though. A three finger swipe up will lock the orientation. So if you have your 
phone with your home button to the left and lock the orientation, the phone 
will stay that way.On Aug 18, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Terri Stimmel 
 wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have just recently learned about the Braille input method. I did not 
> realize this was something I could do with my phone. I kind of feel like a 
> dork! LOL!
> Anyway, now that I am aware of it, I want to learn how to use it. I followed 
> some great instructions I got. But I am thinking I am not doing something 
> right.
> 
> When I go in to the rotter, and to Braille input, it’s set on the away 
> screen. When I am holding the phone long-ways, and on it’s side. When I lay 
> it flat, it states tabletop mode. I want to keep it here, I believe. So I 
> swipe to lock it. I keep thinking I have it. But maybe not?
> 
> The layout then looks funny to me. I seem to have to swipe sideways to see 
> all my Apps.
> Is this how it should be?
> And once I am on an App I want to open, how do I get it to do just that?
> Double-typing on it now doesn’t seem to work.
> 
> Also, how do I switch back to the regular phone settings?
> Also, if my phone is normally locked in portrait mode, do I need to change 
> this setting, before going to the Braille input screen?
> 
> Thank you in advance for any help. This is all quite odd to me, but very 
> exciting.
> 
> Terri
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Using Braille input, and locking in tabletop mode

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,

I have just recently learned about the Braille input method. I did not realize 
this was something I could do with my phone. I kind of feel like a dork! LOL!
Anyway, now that I am aware of it, I want to learn how to use it. I followed 
some great instructions I got. But I am thinking I am not doing something right.

When I go in to the rotter, and to Braille input, it’s set on the away screen. 
When I am holding the phone long-ways, and on it’s side. When I lay it flat, it 
states tabletop mode. I want to keep it here, I believe. So I swipe to lock it. 
I keep thinking I have it. But maybe not?

The layout then looks funny to me. I seem to have to swipe sideways to see all 
my Apps.
Is this how it should be?
And once I am on an App I want to open, how do I get it to do just that?
Double-typing on it now doesn’t seem to work.

Also, how do I switch back to the regular phone settings?
Also, if my phone is normally locked in portrait mode, do I need to change this 
setting, before going to the Braille input screen?

Thank you in advance for any help. This is all quite odd to me, but very 
exciting.

Terri

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Re: the be3st way to use the braille input on the iPhone

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Casey,

The configuration will be up to you and how you use the phone. I use the screen 
away mode because that's easiest for me. Others like the table top mode. I 
can't tell you how to use the table top mode. The screen away mode I can tell 
you about. You hold the phone so that the screen is away from you in landscape. 
You put your left index, middle and ring finger; on the left and then the index 
middle and ring fingers on the right. Now you can just start brailleing away. 
When you are done just use your rotor and get out of Braille screen input and 
it will automatically be in your mail or text. It is basically a keyboard 
already in your phone. It is not a stand alone app. 

Hope this helps,

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

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> Hi I would like to start using the braille input on my iPhone.
> So what is the best configuration to use and what is the best way to have the 
> phone when using it and then onc eyou start using it how then do you take 
> what you have written and past it in A text message if you would like to?
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the be3st way to use the braille input on the iPhone

[Casey]

Hi I would like to start using the braille input on my iPhone.
So what is the best configuration to use and what is the best way to have the 
phone when using it and then onc eyou
start using it how then do you take what you have written and past it in A text 
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Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

[englishrider91]

There's a great article about all this on AppleVis.
A Guide to Braille Screen Input on iOS:
https://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios-voiceover/guide-braille-screen-input-ios


Thanks,
Ari

> On Feb 8, 2018, at 5:38 AM, Janet Bell <ja...@jan25.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> please can someone tell me when you are using braille input where is the 
> backspace and if there is not one how to delete something and also where is 
> the line up or down button. and finally do you still swipe right when you are 
> in text messages.  sorry but never done this before.  Janet
>  
> From: Maria Reyes
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: at sign in Iphone braille input
>  
> Janet, 
> Go to Settings > general > Accessibility > VoiceOver then select rotor from 
> the menu. Flick until you hear braille screen input then double tap. You 
> should have it in your rotor when you go to type. 
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>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Janet Bell <ja...@jan25.plus.com> wrote:
>> 
>> please can someone tell me how to get the braille keyboard on an iPhone and 
>> is there any help you can get to use it and learn keystrokes please?  Janet
>>  
>> From: Devin Prater
>> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 3:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: at sign in Iphone braille input
>>  
>> Type dot four, then dot 1.
>> Devin Prater
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>> 
>> , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
>> World Services for the Blind
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 9:23 AM, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>> How do I enter an at sign using braille input on an Iphone?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

[Janet Bell]

please can someone tell me when you are using braille input where is the 
backspace and if there is not one how to delete something and also where is the 
line up or down button. and finally do you still swipe right when you are in 
text messages.  sorry but never done this before.  Janet

From: Maria Reyes 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

Janet,  
Go to Settings > general > Accessibility > VoiceOver then select rotor from the 
menu. Flick until you hear braille screen input then double tap. You should 
have it in your rotor when you go to type. 


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On Feb 5, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Janet Bell <ja...@jan25.plus.com> wrote:


  please can someone tell me how to get the braille keyboard on an iPhone and 
is there any help you can get to use it and learn keystrokes please?  Janet

  From: Devin Prater 
  Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 3:31 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

  Type dot four, then dot 1.

  Devin Prater
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  , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
World Services for the Blind 


On Feb 5, 2018, at 9:23 AM, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com> wrote:

How do I enter an at sign using braille input on an Iphone?




Thanks.




Dan Beaver



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Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

[Janet Bell]

thanks Maria will give it a go probably struggle for ages but hopefully will 
succeeed.  Janet

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Janet,  
Go to Settings > general > Accessibility > VoiceOver then select rotor from the 
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On Feb 5, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Janet Bell <ja...@jan25.plus.com> wrote:


  please can someone tell me how to get the braille keyboard on an iPhone and 
is there any help you can get to use it and learn keystrokes please?  Janet

  From: Devin Prater 
  Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 3:31 PM
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  Subject: Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

  Type dot four, then dot 1.

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How do I enter an at sign using braille input on an Iphone?




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Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

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Janet, 
Go to Settings > general > Accessibility > VoiceOver then select rotor from the 
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> please can someone tell me how to get the braille keyboard on an iPhone and 
> is there any help you can get to use it and learn keystrokes please?  Janet
>  
> From: Devin Prater
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> Type dot four, then dot 1.
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>> How do I enter an at sign using braille input on an Iphone?
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Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

[Janet Bell]

please can someone tell me how to get the braille keyboard on an iPhone and is 
there any help you can get to use it and learn keystrokes please?  Janet

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 3:31 PM
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Subject: Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

Type dot four, then dot 1.

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  On Feb 5, 2018, at 9:23 AM, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com> wrote:

  How do I enter an at sign using braille input on an Iphone?




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Re: at sign in Iphone braille input

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Type dot four, then dot 1.
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at sign in Iphone braille input

[Dan]

  
  
How do I enter an at sign using braille input on an Iphone?

  
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Re: iPHone screen Braille input

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Go to VoiceOver Settings, choose Rotor, and select Braille Screen Input. Move 
it if you want it in a different place on the rotor.

To use it, turn the rotor to Braille Screen Input to use it.

Best,
Anna




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I haven't done this in a long time.  I forget how to set it up.  Any
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re: iOS's Braille Input to read only words upon spacing?

[Wayne Scott]

I think you can find that in Settings.

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Subject: iOS's Braille Input to read only words upon spacing?

Using iOS''s Braille Input method, I can't find anywhere to set 
it up,
so that instead of reading each Braille character I type, it only 
reads
words? I'd like to have the virtual qerty keyboard still read me 
each
letter, though.  Is this doable? Are the virtual qwerty keyboard 
and
Braille keyboard integrated into iOS independent of each other in 
terms

of settings?


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Re: iOS's Braille Input to read only words upon spacing?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello Gera,

In VoiceOver Settings, go to Typing Feedback. There are separate controls for 
software keyboards, hardware keyboards, and Braille Screen Input. Set the 
latter to Characters and Words, and you should be all set.

Best,
Anna



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> though. Is this doable? Are the virtual qwerty keyboard and Braille keyboard 
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iOS's Braille Input to read only words upon spacing?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Using iOS''s Braille Input method, I can't find anywhere to set it up, 
so that instead of reading each Braille character I type, it only reads 
words? I'd like to have the virtual qerty keyboard still read me each 
letter, though. Is this doable? Are the virtual qwerty keyboard and 
Braille keyboard integrated into iOS independent of each other in terms 
of settings?



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Re: the differences between braille input on the iPhones

[Matthew Bullis]

You'll need to experiment to find which mode lets you braille the 
fastest and most efficiently. If you set the mode to use contracted 
braille with a three finger swipe right, the word is translated as soon 
as you press space, so a receiver of your message doesn't know how you 
composed the message. You can configure the dot placement, but you don't 
have to do this each time you enter braille screen mode. You'll soon get 
the feel and shape of your hands on the screen, and will quickly be able 
to use this mode. It's the only way I text and otherwise send output on 
my iPhone, as I never use dictation to talk with people. Having this 
mode was the final clincher that caused me to personally invest in an 
iPhone after having one given to me for my work purposes.


Matthew


On 12/31/2016 7:46 AM, Casey wrote:

hi since we have been talking about braille input on the i Phones?
Can someone please share the difference between the two modes of 
railing on the iPhone.
Like witch one of the two will give you the feel of typing on A 
braille writer and witch one is the best one to use that will let you 
get the best results and let you type reasonably fast and can you use 
grade two on the braille input as well?
And if you did this will the text message read fine on the persons end 
that you send them to if you use grade two braille?
One last thing when you select braille screen input do you have to 
first configure the dot placement with you fingers first or how 
exactly does that work?





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the differences between braille input on the iPhones

[Casey]

hi since we have been talking about braille input on the i Phones?
Can someone please share the difference between the two modes of railing 
on the iPhone.
Like witch one of the two will give you the feel of typing on A braille 
writer and witch one is the best one to use that will let you get the 
best results and let you type reasonably fast and can you use grade two 
on the braille input as well?
And if you did this will the text message read fine on the persons end 
that you send them to if you use grade two braille?
One last thing when you select braille screen input do you have to first 
configure the dot placement with you fingers first or how exactly does 
that work?



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Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi, Mary!
I believe it was 8.
Regarding upgrading to larger phone my experience is I typed
  better on 4S than I type now on 6S Plus.
I'm experienced in Braille typing, started way back with Braille
  Touch and MBraille and with BSI from iOS 8 and I was better on
  small display.
Braille Screen Input is nice but, unfortunately, I'm sticking
  with MBraille since BSI still doesn't support my language and I
  can't preview the text without leaving the Braille Input mode. I'm
  using it for short notes or messages when I skip diacritic
  characters but for more serious work I can't live without
  MBraille.
I also miss the clicks while I'm typing and I don't want to hear
  the letters Itype. Try it out and if you'd like it my suggestion
  is to purchase MBraille.



  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

16.9.2016. u 18:03, Mary Otten je
  napisao/la:


  Which version of iOS saw the introduction of on screen braille input? I am newly interested in this mode, because I will be getting a larger phone, and because you can now use contracted braille. But I need to go back and find a basic tutorial on it's methodology. I thought it was iOS 9, but my quick perusal of Jonathan's iOS 9 book didn't turn that up. So it must've been iOS 8, or my search wasn't thorough enough.
Mary


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Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Rajmund]

Hi Mary, Yep, they've replied earlier. They don't experience it as of now, but 
there are 2 more iPads that will eventually be updated. If they happen to 
experience it, or know something more, I'll let you know. Same if I know  
something on another list.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

>
>
> Thanks for the offer of help. I'm sure this guide that you sent me the URL 
> for will do the job. But if I have any questions, I have your address. Smile. 
> By the way, did you ever hear back from your friend about my strange table in 
> the mail problem.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Mary,
> > IOS8. Although I'm more than happy to help you out off list, should you 
> > wish. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from a Braille Sense 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
> > To: VIPhone 'ChalmersAS' via  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:04 pm
> > Subject: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Which version of iOS saw the introduction of on screen braille input? I am 
> >> newly interested in this mode, because I will be getting a larger phone, 
> >> and because you can now use contracted braille. But I need to go back and 
> >> find a basic tutorial on it's methodology. I thought it was iOS 9, but my 
> >> quick perusal of Jonathan's iOS 9 book didn't turn that up. So it must've 
> >> been iOS 8, or my search wasn't thorough enough.
> >> Mary
> >> 
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Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for the offer of help. I'm sure this guide that you sent me the URL for 
will do the job. But if I have any questions, I have your address. Smile. By 
the way, did you ever hear back from your friend about my strange table in the 
mail problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> IOS8. Although I'm more than happy to help you out off list, should you wish. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
> To: VIPhone 'ChalmersAS' via  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:04 pm
> Subject: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Which version of iOS saw the introduction of on screen braille input? I am 
>> newly interested in this mode, because I will be getting a larger phone, and 
>> because you can now use contracted braille. But I need to go back and find a 
>> basic tutorial on it's methodology. I thought it was iOS 9, but my quick 
>> perusal of Jonathan's iOS 9 book didn't turn that up. So it must've been iOS 
>> 8, or my search wasn't thorough enough.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Rajmund. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> http://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios-voiceover/guide-braille-screen-input-ios
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:30 pm
> Subject: Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> OK, I assume Alex's podcast is on Apple viz. I will check there. Not 
>> familiar with the tutorial. And I'm not familiar with the individual. Any 
>> hints on location for that one?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Dani Pagador <axs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 8, I think. Alex H. does an excellent podcast, and there's also a good
>>> tutorial by Meg. Love the onscreen Braille. Wish there was a way to
>>> make it the default keyboard. I can't upgrade to IOS10 because I have
>>> a 5th gen iPod. *blinks back tears*
>>> 
>>> On 9/16/16, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Which version of iOS saw the introduction of on screen braille input? I am
>>>> newly interested in this mode, because I will be getting a larger phone, 
>>>> and
>>>> because you can now use contracted braille. But I need to go back and find 
>>>> a
>>>> basic tutorial on it's methodology. I thought it was iOS 9, but my quick
>>>> perusal of Jonathan's iOS 9 book didn't turn that up. So it must've been 
>>>> iOS
>>>> 8, or my search wasn't thorough enough.
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Dani Pagador]

Both on Applevis. Alex's is a podcast, and mehgcap (copied from the
guide, but jFW pronounces it "megcap".) is under the guides. Both are
excellent resources.

On 9/16/16, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios-voiceover/guide-braille-screen-input-ios
>
>
>
> Sent from a Braille Sense
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:30 pm
> Subject: Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?
>
>>
>>
>> OK, I assume Alex's podcast is on Apple viz. I will check there. Not
>> familiar with the tutorial. And I'm not familiar with the individual. Any
>> hints on location for that one?
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Dani Pagador <axs@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > 8, I think. Alex H. does an excellent podcast, and there's also a good
>> > tutorial by Meg. Love the onscreen Braille. Wish there was a way to
>> > make it the default keyboard. I can't upgrade to IOS10 because I have
>> > a 5th gen iPod. *blinks back tears*
>> >
>> > On 9/16/16, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Which version of iOS saw the introduction of on screen braille input? I
>> >> am
>> >> newly interested in this mode, because I will be getting a larger
>> >> phone, and
>> >> because you can now use contracted braille. But I need to go back and
>> >> find a
>> >> basic tutorial on it's methodology. I thought it was iOS 9, but my
>> >> quick
>> >> perusal of Jonathan's iOS 9 book didn't turn that up. So it must've
>> >> been iOS
>> >> 8, or my search wasn't thorough enough.
>> >> Mary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Rajmund]

http://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios-voiceover/guide-braille-screen-input-ios



Sent from a Braille Sense 

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From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:30 pm
Subject: Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

>
>
> OK, I assume Alex's podcast is on Apple viz. I will check there. Not familiar 
> with the tutorial. And I'm not familiar with the individual. Any hints on 
> location for that one?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Dani Pagador <axs@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 8, I think. Alex H. does an excellent podcast, and there's also a good
> > tutorial by Meg. Love the onscreen Braille. Wish there was a way to
> > make it the default keyboard. I can't upgrade to IOS10 because I have
> > a 5th gen iPod. *blinks back tears*
> > 
> > On 9/16/16, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Which version of iOS saw the introduction of on screen braille input? I am
> >> newly interested in this mode, because I will be getting a larger phone, 
> >> and
> >> because you can now use contracted braille. But I need to go back and find 
> >> a
> >> basic tutorial on it's methodology. I thought it was iOS 9, but my quick
> >> perusal of Jonathan's iOS 9 book didn't turn that up. So it must've been 
> >> iOS
> >> 8, or my search wasn't thorough enough.
> >> Mary
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Rajmund]

Hi Mary,
IOS8. Although I'm more than happy to help you out off list, should you wish. 



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Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Mary Otten]

OK, I assume Alex's podcast is on Apple viz. I will check there. Not familiar 
with the tutorial. And I'm not familiar with the individual. Any hints on 
location for that one?
Mary


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> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Dani Pagador <axs@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 8, I think. Alex H. does an excellent podcast, and there's also a good
> tutorial by Meg. Love the onscreen Braille. Wish there was a way to
> make it the default keyboard. I can't upgrade to IOS10 because I have
> a 5th gen iPod. *blinks back tears*
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>> Which version of iOS saw the introduction of on screen braille input? I am
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>> because you can now use contracted braille. But I need to go back and find a
>> basic tutorial on it's methodology. I thought it was iOS 9, but my quick
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>> 8, or my search wasn't thorough enough.
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Re: On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Dani Pagador]

8, I think. Alex H. does an excellent podcast, and there's also a good
tutorial by Meg. Love the onscreen Braille. Wish there was a way to
make it the default keyboard. I can't upgrade to IOS10 because I have
a 5th gen iPod. *blinks back tears*

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On screen braille input, when was it introduced?

[Mary Otten]

Which version of iOS saw the introduction of on screen braille input? I am 
newly interested in this mode, because I will be getting a larger phone, and 
because you can now use contracted braille. But I need to go back and find a 
basic tutorial on it's methodology. I thought it was iOS 9, but my quick 
perusal of Jonathan's iOS 9 book didn't turn that up. So it must've been iOS 8, 
or my search wasn't thorough enough.
Mary


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Re: Strange thing happening when using the braille input mode

[englishrider91]

I think there's a section on this issue in the AppleVis guide to Braille Screen 
Input.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:16 AM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
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> It’s by design. Always have done this since it was introduced in iOS 8. Use 
> it every day so should know . Try to learn to live with it.
>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 07:39, Carla Savage <cokwahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks, 
>> I'm having a strange issue whilst using braille input mode. The dots have 
>> changed so I have to turn my phone into landscape mode with the home button 
>> on the left rather than the right as I was used to. I've tried 
>> re-calibrating the dots but it seems to prefer the other way round. Any 
>> suggestions as to how to correct this? It's not a deal breaker as I'm mainly 
>> use MBrailbbe to write or my Mini Seika via bluetooth but for quick texts, I 
>> do use the braille input mode. 
>> Thanks in advance for any help, 
>> Carla. 
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Re: Strange thing happening when using the braille input mode

[Brett]

Hi,


I don't have an answer for you, but for me when using built-in iOS 
braille, the home button is on the right.



Cheers,

Brett.



On 7/2/2016 4:16 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

It’s by design. Always have done this since it was introduced in iOS 8. Use it every 
day so should know . Try to learn to live with it.

On 1 Jul 2016, at 07:39, Carla Savage <cokwahn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks,
I'm having a strange issue whilst using braille input mode. The dots have 
changed so I have to turn my phone into landscape mode with the home button on 
the left rather than the right as I was used to. I've tried re-calibrating the 
dots but it seems to prefer the other way round. Any suggestions as to how to 
correct this? It's not a deal breaker as I'm mainly use MBrailbbe to write or 
my Mini Seika via bluetooth but for quick texts, I do use the braille input 
mode.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Carla.


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Re: Strange thing happening when using the braille input mode

[christopher hallsworth]

It’s by design. Always have done this since it was introduced in iOS 8. Use it 
every day so should know . Try to learn to live with it.
> On 1 Jul 2016, at 07:39, Carla Savage <cokwahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, 
> I'm having a strange issue whilst using braille input mode. The dots have 
> changed so I have to turn my phone into landscape mode with the home button 
> on the left rather than the right as I was used to. I've tried re-calibrating 
> the dots but it seems to prefer the other way round. Any suggestions as to 
> how to correct this? It's not a deal breaker as I'm mainly use MBrailbbe to 
> write or my Mini Seika via bluetooth but for quick texts, I do use the 
> braille input mode. 
> Thanks in advance for any help, 
> Carla. 
> 
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Re: Strange thing happening when using the braille input mode

[Oriol Gómez]

it's always been this way. tabletop mode makes you put the phone with
the home button facing left, it's always done that for me

On 7/1/16, Carla Savage <cokwahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I'm having a strange issue whilst using braille input mode. The dots have
> changed so I have to turn my phone into landscape mode with the home button
> on the left rather than the right as I was used to. I've tried
> re-calibrating the dots but it seems to prefer the other way round. Any
> suggestions as to how to correct this? It's not a deal breaker as I'm mainly
> use MBrailbbe to write or my Mini Seika via bluetooth but for quick texts, I
> do use the braille input mode.
> Thanks in advance for any help,
> Carla.
>
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Strange thing happening when using the braille input mode

[Carla Savage]

Hi folks, 
I'm having a strange issue whilst using braille input mode. The dots have 
changed so I have to turn my phone into landscape mode with the home button on 
the left rather than the right as I was used to. I've tried re-calibrating the 
dots but it seems to prefer the other way round. Any suggestions as to how to 
correct this? It's not a deal breaker as I'm mainly use MBrailbbe to write or 
my Mini Seika via bluetooth but for quick texts, I do use the braille input 
mode. 
Thanks in advance for any help, 
Carla. 


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Re: Liking the Braille Input"feature but

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I often have the same problem. I think it's because it's easy to move your hand 
out of position when you enter a space character. I recommend touching the edge 
of the phone with the thumb of the hand you're using to space to help anchor 
it. Also, for a while, write in six-dot braille and set your phone to speak 
every character. That way, you'll have lots of feedback while you're developing 
muscle memory. if you switch to contracted and start having trouble, switch 
back to six-dot for a bit. You can switch at any time by flicking right with 
three fingers.

HTH,
Anna


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Using an IPhone 4S with iOS"with"latest iOS, liking the Braille"input 
> feature, but kind of getting frustrated because with the little mistakes I 
> make, as you can see within this EMail! Tip/tricks maybe that could serve"mb 
> to get a beter handle on how Braille is"inputed? Yes"I can delete, but it's 
> kind of geting tiring! My vc:wview ofBraille"Input whan I"first heard of it, 
> was to breezb through tying of"EMails and others! I can't understand why 
> these"little"mistakes, having learned Braille since age 5! Thanks for info.
> 
> Gera
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Liking the Braille Input"feature but

[Gerardo Corripio]

Using an IPhone 4S with iOS"with"latest iOS, liking the Braille"input feature, 
but kind of getting frustrated because with the little mistakes I make, as you 
can see within this EMail! Tip/tricks maybe that could serve"mb to get a beter 
handle on how Braille is"inputed? Yes"I can delete, but it's kind of geting 
tiring! My vc:wview ofBraille"Input whan I"first heard of it, was to breezb 
through tying of"EMails and others! I can't understand why 
these"little"mistakes, having learned Braille since age 5! Thanks for info.

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Re: Question about braille input

[Devin Prater]

When you turn your rotor to braille screen input, it will be in table top mode, 
which is like the Perkins brailler. Then, move the phone so that it is on its 
side. You’ll hear “away mode," then drop it back onto its back in landscape 
mode so that it is in tabletop mode. If the dots aren’t the way you want, turn 
it onto its other side. When the dots are the way you want them, swipe up with 
three fingers. You’ll hear “orientation locked.” This way, it’ll stay like that 
no matter how you have the phone positioned.
Sent from my Mac.

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> On Apr 25, 2016, at 1:01 AM, Amirudin Abdullah <amir.iphone669...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I messed up with my settings. I did reset it but it is the same. How to 
> recalibrate braille screen input? I want to make it looks similar to Perkins 
> brailler. let say i am holding the phone in  landscape, The home button is to 
> the left, and I am using the table top mode, I want to locate the  dot one at
> 
>  The site where  the volume buttons are. Followed by dot 2 down to it, and to 
> the left is dot 3.  Can I make  all those changes using the Braille input in 
> iOS? Hope my questions are clear. Thanksالى اللقاء
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Question about braille input

[Amirudin Abdullah]

Hi
I messed up with my settings. I did recet it but it is the same. How to 
recalibrate braille screen input? I want to make it looks similar to perkins 
brailler. let say i am holding the phone in  landscape, The home button is to 
the left, and I am using the table top mode, I want to locate the  dot one at

 The site where  the volume buttons are. Followed by dot 2 down to it, and to 
the left is dot 3.  Can i make  all those changes using the Braille input in 
iOS? Hope my questions are clear. Thanksالى اللقاء

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Re: Braille input

[rajmund]

Hi,
I tually prefer swiping, particularly, since I use index finger for the space, 
usually, and now, I can just swipe it, at last. :)

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 31 Mar 2016, at 4:21 pm, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Getting all ten fingers on an iPhone screen could be difficult, particularly 
> with the smaller ipHones. I do think having a spacebar on the screen would be 
> helpful, though, since I'm sure that one reason I have trouble with onscreen 
> braille input is that when I flick right to enter a space, my hand probably 
> moves right.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's to bad that the braille inmput doesn't work like the braille input on 
>> the new BrailleNote touch that was just released by Humanware.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Outman
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Braille input
>> 
>> I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
>> activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.
>> 
>> I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the 
>> explore mode.
>> 
>> I need some help to get up and running with this better.
>> 
>> Bill Outman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of SCOTT VAN GORP
>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Braille input
>> 
>> This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about 
>> three fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a 
>> device or software problem. Thank you!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello,
>>> up and down does, but, not left and right.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. 
>>>> tabletop mode or screen away mode.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ari
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI 
>>>>> keyboard so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it 
>>>>> will use.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Greg WOcher
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way 
>>>>>> I could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would 
>>>>>> be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Getting all ten fingers on an iPhone screen could be difficult, particularly 
with the smaller ipHones. I do think having a spacebar on the screen would be 
helpful, though, since I'm sure that one reason I have trouble with onscreen 
braille input is that when I flick right to enter a space, my hand probably 
moves right.

Best,
Anna



> On Mar 31, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's to bad that the braille inmput doesn't work like the braille input on 
> the new BrailleNote touch that was just released by Humanware.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Bill Outman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille input
> 
> I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
> activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.
> 
> I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the 
> explore mode.
> 
> I need some help to get up and running with this better.
> 
> Bill Outman
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> SCOTT VAN GORP
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille input
> 
> This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about 
> three fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a 
> device or software problem. Thank you!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hello,
>> up and down does, but, not left and right.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>> 
>>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
>>> mode or screen away mode.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard 
>>>> so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Greg WOcher
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way 
>>>>> I could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would 
>>>>> be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[Russ Kiehne]

It's to bad that the braille inmput doesn't work like the braille input on 
the new BrailleNote touch that was just released by Humanware.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Outman

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille input

I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.


I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the 
explore mode.


I need some help to get up and running with this better.

Bill Outman



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of SCOTT VAN GORP

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille input

This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about 
three fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a 
device or software problem. Thank you!


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:

hello,
up and down does, but, not left and right.

Sent from my iPhone 5S


On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. 
tabletop mode or screen away mode.



Thanks,
Ari


On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:

Hello,
Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or 
right should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you 
have one or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the 
BSI keyboard so that when you start using it your preferred grade is 
what it will use.


Regards,
Greg WOcher


On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:

Hi List,

I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a 
way I could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help 
would be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone


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Re: Braille input

[Brett]

Hi Bill, 

If you tap dots 4 5 6 together quickly followed by dots 1 2 and 3 together, 
this will calabrate the dots to where your fingers are. 

Hope this helps, 
Brett. 

Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 31 Mar 2016, at 7:46 AM, Bill Outman <wout...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
> activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.  
> 
> I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the 
> explore mode.  
> 
> I need some help to get up and running with this better.  
> 
> Bill Outman 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> SCOTT VAN GORP
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille input
> 
> This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about 
> three fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a 
> device or software problem. Thank you!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hello,
>> up and down does, but, not left and right.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>> 
>>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
>>> mode or screen away mode.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard 
>>>> so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Greg WOcher
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way 
>>>>> I could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would 
>>>>> be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Braille input

[Bill Outman]

I have been following this thread on Braille input and it encouraged me to 
activate it as well as handwriting mode on my iPhone 5S.  

I am having some trouble getting the dot positions down, even using the explore 
mode.  

I need some help to get up and running with this better.  

Bill Outman 



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SCOTT VAN GORP
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille input

This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about three 
fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a device or 
software problem. Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> up and down does, but, not left and right.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
>> mode or screen away mode.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard 
>>> so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg WOcher
>>> 
>>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi List,
>>>> 
>>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
>>>> could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
>>>> greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[SCOTT VAN GORP]

This gesture actually fixed in issue I was having. I had forgotten about three 
fingers up and down locking the orientation. I thought I was having a device or 
software problem. Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 1:09 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> up and down does, but, not left and right.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
>> mode or screen away mode.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one 
>>> or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard 
>>> so that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg WOcher
>>> 
>>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi List,
>>>> 
>>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
>>>> could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
>>>> greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[rajmund]

hello,
up and down does, but, not left and right.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 28 Mar 2016, at 6:23 pm, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
> mode or screen away mode.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
>> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one or 
>> the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard so 
>> that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Greg WOcher
>> 
>>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
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>>> greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[englishrider91]

I thought the three-finger flick down locks your orientation, i.e. tabletop 
mode or screen away mode.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or right 
> should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you have one or 
> the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the BSI keyboard so 
> that when you start using it your preferred grade is what it will use.
> 
> Regards,
> Greg WOcher
> 
>> On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
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>> could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
>> greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille input

[Wayne Merritt]

I think you can also set the grade entered in the VoiceOver settings,
under Braille. Note that each time you bring up this screen, you will
probably be given a message about needing to turn on Bluetooth to use
a Braille display. Just hit OK and don't worry about it.

Wayne

On 3/28/16, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hello,
> flick 3 fingers to the left and right, respectively, to toggle braille
> grades.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 10:42 am, Michael Maslo <michaelmasl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Braille input

[rajmund]

hello,
flick 3 fingers to the left and right, respectively, to toggle braille grades.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 28 Mar 2016, at 10:42 am, Michael Maslo <michaelmasl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Braille input

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Once you have braille activated a three finger swipe to the left or 
right should switch between grade 1 and grade 2 braille. Also once you 
have one or the other selected a three finger swipe down will lock the 
BSI keyboard so that when you start using it your preferred grade is 
what it will use.


Regards,
Greg WOcher

On 3/28/2016 5:42 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:


Hi List,

I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone



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Braille input

[Michael Maslo]

Hi List, 

I put the braille input in my rotor.  I was wondering if there was a way I 
could write grade 2 braille instead of only grade one?  Any help would be 
greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone

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RE: icons with braille input

[Hicks Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST)]

Thanks so much for taking the time to check that!


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Hi,

Is it possible to enter icons like smiley faces or frowny faces using the 
braille input keyboard?

I have done a google on this and can't seem to find anything.

Thanks.

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re: icons with braille input

[rajmund]

Hi,
Depends, :D :P :( :) ;) and that can be, by using the correct 
dots, but you can't enter imogi.


Sent from a BrailleNote

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Date sent: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:12:18 -0500
Subject: icons with braille input

Hi,

Is it possible to enter icons like smiley faces or frowny faces 
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I have done a google on this and can't seem to find anything.

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Re: icons with braille input

[englishrider91]

If you're using the BANA code, 'you can't enter a smilieface or frownieface, 
though, because the symbols are exactly alike, in terms of how they look in 
Braille. If you use UEB, however, you can make smilie/frownie faces, since left 
parin and right parin are now two distinct symbols. I'm not sure what the 
symbols are, however, since I haven't yet transitioned to UEB. This info is 
well documented, however. I think NBP (National Braille Press) published a 
guide to the changes from BANA Braille to UEB. It's free. If NBP wasn't the one 
who published the guide, someone else did. Maybe it was BANA themselves? It's 
some organization like that, however. Hope this helps.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Feb 13, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Dani Pagador <axs@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Yes, it's doable. It's a matter of entering the text equivalent for
> the emoticon e.g., :) for the smiley face. You'd have to remember the
> punctuation marks that form the emoticon, but it's doable. VO reads
> the text equivalent, too.
> 
> HTH,
> Dani, who'll go look to see what I can find re text representation
> 
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>> Is it possible to enter icons like smiley faces or frowny faces using the
>> braille input keyboard?
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>> I have done a google on this and can't seem to find anything.
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>> Thanks.
>> 
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icons with braille input

[Dan Beaver]

Hi,

Is it possible to enter icons like smiley faces or frowny faces using the 
braille input keyboard?

I have done a google on this and can't seem to find anything.

Thanks.

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Re: icons with braille input

[Dani Pagador]

Yes, it's doable. It's a matter of entering the text equivalent for
the emoticon e.g., :) for the smiley face. You'd have to remember the
punctuation marks that form the emoticon, but it's doable. VO reads
the text equivalent, too.

HTH,
Dani, who'll go look to see what I can find re text representation

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> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to enter icons like smiley faces or frowny faces using the
> braille input keyboard?
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Re: Anchor Keyboard typing as if it were a braille input device

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I'd love to know how you did this, I'd consider using JKL, SDF for on the 
phone, as it would be easier.

- Original Message -
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2016 5:58 pm
Subject: Anchor Keyboard typing as if it were a braille input device

>
>
> Hi:
> I have an anchor keyboard and a VarioUltra paired to my 6s. When I use
> the Anchor to type a text or email, it thinks it is a braille display.
> Although I am using beta software, this problem existed in 9.2 as well
> so I don't think it's the beta that is causing the issue. I think its
> a setting I did but don't remember which one. If anyone has ano ideas
> I would greatly appreciate it since I prefer to type long messages
> with the Bluetooth keyboard.
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Re: Anchor Keyboard typing as if it were a braille input device

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I have no idea.

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Jan 31, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hello,
> I'd love to know how you did this, I'd consider using JKL, SDF for on the 
> phone, as it would be easier.
> 
> - Original Message -
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 30, 2016 5:58 pm
> Subject: Anchor Keyboard typing as if it were a braille input device
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi:
>> I have an anchor keyboard and a VarioUltra paired to my 6s. When I use
>> the Anchor to type a text or email, it thinks it is a braille display.
>> Although I am using beta software, this problem existed in 9.2 as well
>> so I don't think it's the beta that is causing the issue. I think its
>> a setting I did but don't remember which one. If anyone has ano ideas
>> I would greatly appreciate it since I prefer to type long messages
>> with the Bluetooth keyboard.
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Anchor Keyboard typing as if it were a braille input device

[John Diakogeorgiou]

Hi:
I have an anchor keyboard and a VarioUltra paired to my 6s. When I use
the Anchor to type a text or email, it thinks it is a braille display.
Although I am using beta software, this problem existed in 9.2 as well
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Re: Weird Stuff Happening With Braille Input

[rajmund]

Hello,
Try a 3 flick up when in braille. Does it say orientation locked or unlocked? 2 
What's your screen rotation?



Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.

> On 18 Dec 2015, at 4:20 pm, Keith Bundy <kb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello, all. I am using IOS 9.2 and had no issue with on-screen braille input 
> until two days ago. Prior to that time, rotoring to Braille would give me the 
> message, "Landscape, hoem button to the right, screen away mode". (The home 
> button was actually to the left, but it made for great Braille input for me.
> 
> Two days ago, with no warning and no changes that I know of being made to the 
> system, rotoring to Braille got me the message, "Landscape, home button to 
> the left, screen away mode". I found that the Braille orientation had been 
> reversed, with dots 123 now on the right and dots 456 now on the left. I can 
> flip the phone to write as I am used to writing, but I am wondering what 
> happened and how I can restore my phone to what it was two days ago in terms 
> of on-screen braille input.
> 
> I have also noticed since this happened that not all dots are being 
> recognized consistently, so I have to proofread very carefully and change 
> lots of errors. I have always had very good luck with Braille input and make 
> very few errors, so I am wondering what is wrong.
> 
> I have rebooted the phone by turning it off and back on, and I even reset it 
> with pressing the Home and Power buttons simultaneously until the Apple 
> symbol appeared. Any additional explanations or suggestions would definitely 
> be appreciated, as Braille input on the screen has become a major part of how 
> I operate my phone.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Keith
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Weird Stuff Happening With Braille Input

[Keith Bundy]

Hello, all. I am using IOS 9.2 and had no issue with on-screen braille
input until two days ago. Prior to that time, rotoring to Braille would
give me the message, "Landscape, hoem button to the right, screen away
mode". (The home button was actually to the left, but it made for great
Braille input for me.

Two days ago, with no warning and no changes that I know of being made to
the system, rotoring to Braille got me the message, "Landscape, home button
to the left, screen away mode". I found that the Braille orientation had
been reversed, with dots 123 now on the right and dots 456 now on the left.
I can flip the phone to write as I am used to writing, but I am wondering
what happened and how I can restore my phone to what it was two days ago in
terms of on-screen braille input.

I have also noticed since this happened that not all dots are being
recognized consistently, so I have to proofread very carefully and change
lots of errors. I have always had very good luck with Braille input and
make very few errors, so I am wondering what is wrong.

I have rebooted the phone by turning it off and back on, and I even reset
it with pressing the Home and Power buttons simultaneously until the Apple
symbol appeared. Any additional explanations or suggestions would
definitely be appreciated, as Braille input on the screen has become a
major part of how I operate my phone.

Thanks.


Keith

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Re: Weird Stuff Happening With Braille Input

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Keith,

I get similar problems from time to time and almost give up with it. However, 
it does help if you calibrate the Braille dots and also if you can move the 
phone around in your hands and you'll find you will get it back to the original 
setting.

To calibrate  the dots, first place your right hand where you think the dots 4, 
5 and 6 should be and press just a little on the keyboard and after a short 
pause you will hear a noise. Then, do the same with your left hand. See if that 
helps. It is supposed to!

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 18 Dec 2015, at 4:20 pm, Keith Bundy <kb5...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello, all. I am using IOS 9.2 and had no issue with on-screen braille input 
until two days ago. Prior to that time, rotoring to Braille would give me the 
message, "Landscape, hoem button to the right, screen away mode". (The home 
button was actually to the left, but it made for great Braille input for me.

Two days ago, with no warning and no changes that I know of being made to the 
system, rotoring to Braille got me the message, "Landscape, home button to the 
left, screen away mode". I found that the Braille orientation had been 
reversed, with dots 123 now on the right and dots 456 now on the left. I can 
flip the phone to write as I am used to writing, but I am wondering what 
happened and how I can restore my phone to what it was two days ago in terms of 
on-screen braille input.

I have also noticed since this happened that not all dots are being recognized 
consistently, so I have to proofread very carefully and change lots of errors. 
I have always had very good luck with Braille input and make very few errors, 
so I am wondering what is wrong.

I have rebooted the phone by turning it off and back on, and I even reset it 
with pressing the Home and Power buttons simultaneously until the Apple symbol 
appeared. Any additional explanations or suggestions would definitely be 
appreciated, as Braille input on the screen has become a major part of how I 
operate my phone.

Thanks.


Keith

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anyone experiencing these braille input problems on ios 9?

[Paul Erkens]

Hi listers,

Lately, the iphone of a friend who does not read English started acting 
strangely while inputting braille. We did what we could, as described below. 
Please think with us.. Here’s what happens.

Suddenly, and with no apparent reason so far discovered, when he wants to type 
braille on the phone, the orientation seems to have changed 180 degrees. That 
is, in landscape, he used to have the volume buttons facing the floor, resting 
the phone on his pinkies and keeping it gripped with his thumbs, that is now 
upside down. I.e.: The volume buttons now have to point to the ceiling and the 
home button has to point to the right. Second problem now is, that when he 
types characters that consist only of the 4 upper braille dots, so 1 2 4 and 5, 
all is well. But any character where either dots 3 and or 6 are involved, the 
inputted characters do not come out as typed. For instance, an m, as in Mike, 
becomes an f. An n, as in november, becomes a g. I thought that he needed to 
recalibrate his dots and so he did, but no change. This dot 3 6 problem gets 
even more strange, because the letter k, as in kind, becomes a semi colon. In 
his braille table, dots 2 and 3. That prooves that dot 3 is seen indeed. After 
a reboot, the problem changes, and then, different characters come out. For 
instance, then, he can no longer type the a, as in action. That becomes a 
comma, dot 2.

Here’s what he tried to resolve this issue:
A sighted person came and looked, with an interesting outcome. It appears that, 
even though we as braille users now need to hold the phone with the volume 
buttons facing toward the ceiling, for a sighted person, the dots are still in 
their original, correct orientation. I.e.: according to his son, dots 1 2 3 are 
still near the home button, and 4 5 and 6 are toward the speaker end. Still, 
hitting dot 1 makes the phone think it is dot 4. Recalibration does not help, 
so we tried the following, with no change in input behaviour.

1. He unlocked the generic iphone screen orientation lock, using the control 
center screen.
2. He unlocked his voiceover braille orientation lock, using a 3 finger swipe 
up, while in landscape screen away braille mode.
3. He turned voiceover off and on.
4. He turned the phone off and back on.
5. We held the home button and the on off button for 12 seconds, the iphone 
rebooted, but no help.

What did help, was that he restored his icloud backup a few days old. However, 
the problem came back today.
He did not play any games, nor did anything provocative to the phone, such as 
installing or removing apps, or changing any setting, hoping to catch the 
problem if it returned. But it seems he just used the phone to answer and write 
his email, sms and i messages.

So, finally we are turning to you listers. Any other suggestions on what might 
be going on here are very welcome. We seem to be out of options. Please drop me 
a line if you have the slightest idea what to try next.

Kind regards,
Paul.

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Re: anyone experiencing these braille input problems on ios 9?

[Alex Hall]

You covered all my suggestions already, except one. As much as I hate to 
suggest it, have you done a settings reset? That should clear out whatever 
mysterious gremlin is causing the problem, hopefully. Less drastically, but 
even less likely to help: have you tried a different braille code, just to see 
if that has the same issues?
> On Nov 17, 2015, at 13:21, Paul Erkens  wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
> Lately, the iphone of a friend who does not read English started acting 
> strangely while inputting braille. We did what we could, as described below. 
> Please think with us.. Here’s what happens.
> 
> Suddenly, and with no apparent reason so far discovered, when he wants to 
> type braille on the phone, the orientation seems to have changed 180 degrees. 
> That is, in landscape, he used to have the volume buttons facing the floor, 
> resting the phone on his pinkies and keeping it gripped with his thumbs, that 
> is now upside down. I.e.: The volume buttons now have to point to the ceiling 
> and the home button has to point to the right. Second problem now is, that 
> when he types characters that consist only of the 4 upper braille dots, so 1 
> 2 4 and 5, all is well. But any character where either dots 3 and or 6 are 
> involved, the inputted characters do not come out as typed. For instance, an 
> m, as in Mike, becomes an f. An n, as in november, becomes a g. I thought 
> that he needed to recalibrate his dots and so he did, but no change. This dot 
> 3 6 problem gets even more strange, because the letter k, as in kind, becomes 
> a semi colon. In his braille table, dots 2 and 3. That prooves that dot 3 is 
> seen indeed. After a reboot, the problem changes, and then, different 
> characters come out. For instance, then, he can no longer type the a, as in 
> action. That becomes a comma, dot 2.
> 
> Here’s what he tried to resolve this issue:
> A sighted person came and looked, with an interesting outcome. It appears 
> that, even though we as braille users now need to hold the phone with the 
> volume buttons facing toward the ceiling, for a sighted person, the dots are 
> still in their original, correct orientation. I.e.: according to his son, 
> dots 1 2 3 are still near the home button, and 4 5 and 6 are toward the 
> speaker end. Still, hitting dot 1 makes the phone think it is dot 4. 
> Recalibration does not help, so we tried the following, with no change in 
> input behaviour.
> 
> 1. He unlocked the generic iphone screen orientation lock, using the control 
> center screen.
> 2. He unlocked his voiceover braille orientation lock, using a 3 finger swipe 
> up, while in landscape screen away braille mode.
> 3. He turned voiceover off and on.
> 4. He turned the phone off and back on.
> 5. We held the home button and the on off button for 12 seconds, the iphone 
> rebooted, but no help.
> 
> What did help, was that he restored his icloud backup a few days old. 
> However, the problem came back today.
> He did not play any games, nor did anything provocative to the phone, such as 
> installing or removing apps, or changing any setting, hoping to catch the 
> problem if it returned. But it seems he just used the phone to answer and 
> write his email, sms and i messages.
> 
> So, finally we are turning to you listers. Any other suggestions on what 
> might be going on here are very welcome. We seem to be out of options. Please 
> drop me a line if you have the slightest idea what to try next.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Paul.
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Braille Input and messages

[Chris Chaffin]

When I go and try to use the ios braille input to type a text or iMessage, it 
does not work for me.  It works fine everywhere else, but not there.
This is not new, it has been going on since at least ios 8.2, and possibly 
earlier, I just do not remember earlier than that. 
I will also say that this is not phone specific.  It used to do the same thing 
on my iPhone 5, and now it does it on my iphone 6, which I got in May.

I am not sure what I am doing wrong, like I said, I use it everywhere else just 
fine.
This is what I do.
1, Open messages.
2, Flick down to who I want to send a message too and double tap on their name.
3, Go down to the bottom of the screen and double tap the message edit box.
4, Switch the rotor to braille, and hold the phone in away mode.
5, When I try to type, nothing happens.  I tried switching it to table top 
mode, then back to away mode, still nothing happens when I try to type.  I have 
also tried to calibrate the dots, but still no response.
6, When I switch the rotor to something else and check the message box, there 
is of coarse nothing there.

Is there anything else that I need to do before I start typing?
Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Any help or guidance would be appreciated.

Chris


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Re: Braille Input and messages

[Keith B.]

I just got an iPhone 6 on Saturday. I had not noticed this problem with my 
5S, but I am noticing it now. The only difference is that sometimes, when I 
rotor back to portrait mode, there will be typing in the edit field. 

I had begun to think this might be a problem with my phone. I'm really glad 
you posted this, as now I'm convinced it must be some kind of bug.

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 8:26:35 AM UTC-5, Chris Chaffin wrote:

 When I go and try to use the ios braille input to type a text or iMessage, 
 it does not work for me.  It works fine everywhere else, but not there. 
 This is not new, it has been going on since at least ios 8.2, and possibly 
 earlier, I just do not remember earlier than that. 
 I will also say that this is not phone specific.  It used to do the same 
 thing on my iPhone 5, and now it does it on my iphone 6, which I got in 
 May. 

 I am not sure what I am doing wrong, like I said, I use it everywhere else 
 just fine. 
 This is what I do. 
 1, Open messages. 
 2, Flick down to who I want to send a message too and double tap on their 
 name. 
 3, Go down to the bottom of the screen and double tap the message edit 
 box. 
 4, Switch the rotor to braille, and hold the phone in away mode. 
 5, When I try to type, nothing happens.  I tried switching it to table top 
 mode, then back to away mode, still nothing happens when I try to type.  I 
 have also tried to calibrate the dots, but still no response. 
 6, When I switch the rotor to something else and check the message box, 
 there is of coarse nothing there. 

 Is there anything else that I need to do before I start typing? 
 Has anyone else experienced this problem? 

 Any help or guidance would be appreciated. 

 Chris 


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Re: Braille Input and messages

[Dan Beaver]

Hmmm,

I am using it on an Iphone 5 and have had no problems like you describe at 
all.

If you enter braille input mode and move a finger around the screen does it 
give you any tones or bleeps at all?

Also, did you set the braill input type under voice over in accessibility 
settings?
Dan  beaver


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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 9:30 AM
To: VIPhone List viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Input and messages

When I go and try to use the ios braille input to type a text or iMessage, 
it does not work for me.  It works fine everywhere else, but not there.
This is not new, it has been going on since at least ios 8.2, and possibly 
earlier, I just do not remember earlier than that.
I will also say that this is not phone specific.  It used to do the same 
thing on my iPhone 5, and now it does it on my iphone 6, which I got in May.

I am not sure what I am doing wrong, like I said, I use it everywhere else 
just fine.
This is what I do.
1, Open messages.
2, Flick down to who I want to send a message too and double tap on their 
name.
3, Go down to the bottom of the screen and double tap the message edit box.
4, Switch the rotor to braille, and hold the phone in away mode.
5, When I try to type, nothing happens.  I tried switching it to table top 
mode, then back to away mode, still nothing happens when I try to type.  I 
have also tried to calibrate the dots, but still no response.
6, When I switch the rotor to something else and check the message box, 
there is of coarse nothing there.

Is there anything else that I need to do before I start typing?
Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Any help or guidance would be appreciated.

Chris


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Re: Braille Input and messages

[Chris Chaffin]

Yes, braille input is on my rotor, and I have the braille settings on grade 1.
Like I said, it works fine everywhere else.
And no, I do not get any type of response when moving my finger around on the 
screen.

Chris


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 On Jul 16, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Dan Beaver dbeaver...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hmmm,
 
 I am using it on an Iphone 5 and have had no problems like you describe at 
 all.
 
 If you enter braille input mode and move a finger around the screen does it 
 give you any tones or bleeps at all?
 
 Also, did you set the braill input type under voice over in accessibility 
 settings?
 Dan  beaver
 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 9:30 AM
 To: VIPhone List viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Input and messages
 
 When I go and try to use the ios braille input to type a text or iMessage, 
 it does not work for me.  It works fine everywhere else, but not there.
 This is not new, it has been going on since at least ios 8.2, and possibly 
 earlier, I just do not remember earlier than that.
 I will also say that this is not phone specific.  It used to do the same 
 thing on my iPhone 5, and now it does it on my iphone 6, which I got in May.
 
 I am not sure what I am doing wrong, like I said, I use it everywhere else 
 just fine.
 This is what I do.
 1, Open messages.
 2, Flick down to who I want to send a message too and double tap on their 
 name.
 3, Go down to the bottom of the screen and double tap the message edit box.
 4, Switch the rotor to braille, and hold the phone in away mode.
 5, When I try to type, nothing happens.  I tried switching it to table top 
 mode, then back to away mode, still nothing happens when I try to type.  I 
 have also tried to calibrate the dots, but still no response.
 6, When I switch the rotor to something else and check the message box, 
 there is of coarse nothing there.
 
 Is there anything else that I need to do before I start typing?
 Has anyone else experienced this problem?
 
 Any help or guidance would be appreciated.
 
 Chris
 
 
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Re: In braille input mode, how do i know where the keys start?

[Alex Hall]

Character echo does work, but only in 6 dot mode. If you use contracted 
braille, dots are not spoken as you type. I use word feedback so I can hear 
what I've written when I do the space gesture. Explore Mode is working as 
expected here, I'm not sure why yours isn't.
 On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello, 
 It appears that, even if one has set typing feedback to characters, they are 
 not spoken out in Braille input. It's trial and error but works quite well 
 once you get the hang of it. A work around is to type 1 character and 
 backspace with left single finger swipe !hear what dots are being inputed. 
 
 Interestingly, there used to be a half baked feature in 8.2 called explore 
 mode. 
 It is now gone completely if I'm right but gives me hope it's in the works. 
 I'll ask accessibility about it. 
 
 About dot calibration you have to start with dots 456 and then follow with 
 123 and should then hear Dots calibrated 
 Hth, Ioana  
 
 
 
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 On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello
 This may sound like a silly question so let me try to explain:
 I’m trying out the braille input mode in iOs8.3 and it appears that i have 
 to have the rotor set to characters in order to know where the actual 
 braille keys begin, right? How else could i determine this without typing 
 trange letters or signs at random? Looks like the keyboard for braille is 
 always there as oposed to the standard keyboard that only pops up when a 
 text field is editable. Also Voiceover tells me to calibrate the braille by 
 moving and then lifting 3 fingers on one hand then 3 on the other, however 
 no matter what i do, braille keyboard seems to be in the same place.
 Sorry for all these questions but i’m new to this part of the iPhone and try 
 to determine if to use it or not.
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Re: In braille input mode, how do i know where the keys start?

[Penny Reeder]

Alex, Thank you for this comprehensive set of instructions. They are
perfect! I had tried the braille input a few times since I upgraded to
IOS 8 (and above), but gave up in frustration. After reading your
instructions (and following along), I was successful right away. You
are a born teacher!
Penny

On 4/9/15, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 Character echo does work, but only in 6 dot mode. If you use contracted
 braille, dots are not spoken as you type. I use word feedback so I can hear
 what I've written when I do the space gesture. Explore Mode is working as
 expected here, I'm not sure why yours isn't.
 On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 It appears that, even if one has set typing feedback to characters, they
 are not spoken out in Braille input. It's trial and error but works quite
 well once you get the hang of it. A work around is to type 1 character and
 backspace with left single finger swipe !hear what dots are being inputed.


 Interestingly, there used to be a half baked feature in 8.2 called explore
 mode.
 It is now gone completely if I'm right but gives me hope it's in the
 works.
 I'll ask accessibility about it.

 About dot calibration you have to start with dots 456 and then follow with
 123 and should then hear Dots calibrated
 Hth, Ioana



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
 wrote:

 Hello
 This may sound like a silly question so let me try to explain:
 I'm trying out the braille input mode in iOs8.3 and it appears that i
 have to have the rotor set to characters in order to know where the
 actual braille keys begin, right? How else could i determine this without
 typing trange letters or signs at random? Looks like the keyboard for
 braille is always there as oposed to the standard keyboard that only pops
 up when a text field is editable. Also Voiceover tells me to calibrate
 the braille by moving and then lifting 3 fingers on one hand then 3 on
 the other, however no matter what i do, braille keyboard seems to be in
 the same place.
 Sorry for all these questions but i'm new to this part of the iPhone and
 try to determine if to use it or not.
 /Krister

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Re: In braille input mode, how do i know where the keys start?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi there,
See question below:

 9 apr 2015 kl. 15:22 skrev Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com:
 
 I use word feedback so I can hear what I've written when I do the space 
 gesture

But don’t you get a lot of random characters typed when trying to find the 
positions for the braille keys? I also want to have character echo set to word 
mode but then i don’t know where the dots actually begin.
/Krister

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