Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Well, I have finally managed to do it! Thanks! I think my problem was that I 
wasn't keeping my hands straight! It seems to be working okay now.

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 24 Mar 2016, at 7:56 pm, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

What I do is when my phone is in portrait orientation, I put 4 fingers
on the screen vertically and then swipe to the right or left. This has
worked for me every time so far, that is when I remember that I'm
doing a 4 finger and not a 3 finger swipe, grin. I have noticed a
small delay between when I do the swipe and when the apps change. I
have also noticed that unlike in the app switcher, the order of the
apps does not change. So if you have clock, phone, calendar, and then
BARD Mobile from left to right, if you go from BARD Mobile to the
calendar, those apps stay in the same position. This is different from
the app switcher since once you double tap an app, it is transposed or
switches places with whatever the app to the left of the home screen
was.

Wayne

> On 3/24/16, Dan  wrote:
> Hello,
> My wife who is sighted isn't able to make this switching command work on her
> iPhone 6S. Is there another swipe command to switch apps for sighted
> people?
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> For those who are having trouble with the four finger swipe, try this.
>> Make sure you have at least two apps open and are in one of those apps.
>> Lay the phone on the table and turn it in landscape orientation with a
>> long side toward you.
>> Place four fingers on the edge of the screen away from you and swipe
>> toward yourself lifting your fingers off the display after just a short
>> distance.
>> If you don't switch apps, try it again in the opposite direction by either
>> turning the phone around, or starting on the edge of the screen nearest
>> you.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:13 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Richard, I have to assume I just can't do it. I will keep trying
>> from time to time, because who knows…
>> 
>> Carol P
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

No, you don't have to use the rotor for this one. That's the thing. 
Sometimes I have been able to capture text that is not actually showing 
in a textbox, so I think it's useful!


Just listen to a little text and then to the three finger quadruple tap. 
Go to an editbox, perhaps in Notepad, and paste in the normal way. See 
what you get! 


In addition, you can try it in the HELP section for trying out gestures 
if you wish instead of producing the text in the edit box.


Carol P
.
On 24/03/2016 12:18, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe 
it's only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't 
think, when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen 
changes, so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact 
with at that point.


On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:

I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> wrote:


I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
get what you want ...

In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.

Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
easily as we can.

No doubt, someone will enlighten me!


Carol P

On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
that mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
<blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:


I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
the mainstream does not have.

Christina

On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:

It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson
> wrote:


Dear listers
You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been
in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least,
swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running
apps. I know this has worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but
wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!
Thanks, Robin

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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Christopher Chaltain]

And it also works fine on my iPhone 4S.

On 24/03/16 11:49, Richard Turner wrote:


No, it works fine on my 5s and my iPod Touch 6th generation.
Some people just have a hard time doing the 4 finger swipe.
And, you have to be in an app and have more than one running for it to work.
It won't work from the home screen.
Richard



(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Maybe that’s why some can get the four finger swipe with VO to work and some 
can’t. Maybe it only works on the newest phone. Has anyone here been able to 
use the four finger swipe with older phones?

On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi,

Yes, we tried all of those methods, with no luck.
It could also be that feature is specific to the 6S and 6S Plus, since sighted 
users do have a way to switch between apps with 3D Touch, but that's just a 
theory.Sent from my iPad Pro


On Mar 24, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:

Hi Daniel,

did you and your roommate try a regular swipe, or swiping with two or three 
fingers to switch apps? My guess is that the feature is available to everyone 
but only requires four fingers if VoiceOVer is running.

Best,
Anna




On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the volume.
As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I live 
with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only available 
when VoiceOver is running.

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:

So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do non-rotor 
users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or sometimes a pop-up 
button), that requires rotor gestures from us?

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
point.


On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
get what you want ...

In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.

Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
easily as we can.

No doubt, someone will enlighten me!


Carol P


On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
that mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
<<mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:


I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
the mainstream does not have.

Christina

On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson
<robin.christopher...@gmail.com
<mailto:robin.christopher...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Dear listers
You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been
in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least,
swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running
apps. I know this has worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but
wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!
Thanks, Robin

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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Christopher Chaltain]

The reason they require roter gestures for us is so that we can tell 
VoiceOver to pass our gestures through to the object and not interpret 
our gestures to read the next word or character. A sighted person would 
touch the pop up and then slide their finger to select a setting or 
flick up or down to cycle through different options.


On 24/03/16 07:39, Flor Lynch wrote:

So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do
non-rotor users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or
sometimes a pop-up button), that requires rotor gestures from us?

-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
point.

On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:

I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
get what you want ...

In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.

Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
easily as we can.

No doubt, someone will enlighten me!


Carol P

On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
that mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
<<mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:


I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
the mainstream does not have.

Christina

On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson
<robin.christopher...@gmail.com
<mailto:robin.christopher...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Dear listers
You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been
in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least,
swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running
apps. I know this has worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but
wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!
Thanks, Robin

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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Wayne Merritt]

What I do is when my phone is in portrait orientation, I put 4 fingers
on the screen vertically and then swipe to the right or left. This has
worked for me every time so far, that is when I remember that I'm
doing a 4 finger and not a 3 finger swipe, grin. I have noticed a
small delay between when I do the swipe and when the apps change. I
have also noticed that unlike in the app switcher, the order of the
apps does not change. So if you have clock, phone, calendar, and then
BARD Mobile from left to right, if you go from BARD Mobile to the
calendar, those apps stay in the same position. This is different from
the app switcher since once you double tap an app, it is transposed or
switches places with whatever the app to the left of the home screen
was.

Wayne

On 3/24/16, Dan  wrote:
> Hello,
> My wife who is sighted isn't able to make this switching command work on her
> iPhone 6S. Is there another swipe command to switch apps for sighted
> people?
> Thanks.
>
>
> Dan
>
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> For those who are having trouble with the four finger swipe, try this.
>> Make sure you have at least two apps open and are in one of those apps.
>> Lay the phone on the table and turn it in landscape orientation with a
>> long side toward you.
>> Place four fingers on the edge of the screen away from you and swipe
>> toward yourself lifting your fingers off the display after just a short
>> distance.
>> If you don't switch apps, try it again in the opposite direction by either
>> turning the phone around, or starting on the edge of the screen nearest
>> you.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:13 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Richard, I have to assume I just can't do it. I will keep trying
>> from time to time, because who knows…
>>
>> Carol P
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Dan]

Hello,
My wife who is sighted isn't able to make this switching command work on her 
iPhone 6S. Is there another swipe command to switch apps for sighted people?
Thanks.


Dan

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> For those who are having trouble with the four finger swipe, try this.
> Make sure you have at least two apps open and are in one of those apps.
> Lay the phone on the table and turn it in landscape orientation with a long 
> side toward you.
> Place four fingers on the edge of the screen away from you and swipe toward 
> yourself lifting your fingers off the display after just a short distance.
> If you don't switch apps, try it again in the opposite direction by either 
> turning the phone around, or starting on the edge of the screen nearest you.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:13 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Richard, I have to assume I just can't do it. I will keep trying from 
> time to time, because who knows…
> 
> Carol P
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Richard Turner]

For those who are having trouble with the four finger swipe, try this.
Make sure you have at least two apps open and are in one of those apps.
Lay the phone on the table and turn it in landscape orientation with a long 
side toward you.
Place four fingers on the edge of the screen away from you and swipe toward 
yourself lifting your fingers off the display after just a short distance.
If you don't switch apps, try it again in the opposite direction by either 
turning the phone around, or starting on the edge of the screen nearest you.
HTH,
Richard






(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:13 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Thanks, Richard, I have to assume I just can't do it. I will keep trying from 
time to time, because who knows…

Carol P

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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Richard, I have to assume I just can't do it. I will keep trying from 
time to time, because who knows…

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 24 Mar 2016, at 4:49 pm, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


No, it works fine on my 5s and my iPod Touch 6th generation.
Some people just have a hard time doing the 4 finger swipe.
And, you have to be in an app and have more than one running for it to work.
It won't work from the home screen.
Richard



(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe that’s why some can get the four finger swipe with VO to work and some 
> can’t. Maybe it only works on the newest phone. Has anyone here been able to 
> use the four finger swipe with older phones?
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, we tried all of those methods, with no luck.
>> It could also be that feature is specific to the 6S and 6S Plus, since 
>> sighted users do have a way to switch between apps with 3D Touch, but that's 
>> just a theory.Sent from my iPad Pro
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> 
>>> did you and your roommate try a regular swipe, or swiping with two or three 
>>> fingers to switch apps? My guess is that the feature is available to 
>>> everyone but only requires four fingers if VoiceOVer is running.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the 
>>>> volume.
>>>> As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I 
>>>> live with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only 
>>>> available when VoiceOver is running.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do 
>>>>> non-rotor users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or 
>>>>> sometimes a pop-up button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
>>>>> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
>>>>> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
>>>>> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
>>>>> point.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>>>>>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>>>>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>>>>>> get what you want ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>>>>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>>>>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>>>>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>>>>>> easily as we can.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Carol P

Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Richard Turner]

No, it works fine on my 5s and my iPod Touch 6th generation.
Some people just have a hard time doing the 4 finger swipe.
And, you have to be in an app and have more than one running for it to work.
It won't work from the home screen.
Richard



(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe that’s why some can get the four finger swipe with VO to work and some 
> can’t. Maybe it only works on the newest phone. Has anyone here been able to 
> use the four finger swipe with older phones?
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, we tried all of those methods, with no luck.
>> It could also be that feature is specific to the 6S and 6S Plus, since 
>> sighted users do have a way to switch between apps with 3D Touch, but that's 
>> just a theory.Sent from my iPad Pro
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> 
>>> did you and your roommate try a regular swipe, or swiping with two or three 
>>> fingers to switch apps? My guess is that the feature is available to 
>>> everyone but only requires four fingers if VoiceOVer is running.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the 
>>>> volume.
>>>> As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I 
>>>> live with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only 
>>>> available when VoiceOver is running.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do 
>>>>> non-rotor users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or 
>>>>> sometimes a pop-up button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
>>>>> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
>>>>> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
>>>>> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
>>>>> point.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>>>>>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>>>>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>>>>>> get what you want ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>>>>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>>>>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>>>>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>>>>>> easily as we can.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
>>>>>>>> voiceover. So yes, peo

Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. Cook did not say anything about the swipe a gesture during the 
presentation. I'm not sure where you're getting that information.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe that’s why some can get the four finger swipe with VO to work and some 
> can’t. Maybe it only works on the newest phone. Has anyone here been able to 
> use the four finger swipe with older phones?
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, we tried all of those methods, with no luck.
>> It could also be that feature is specific to the 6S and 6S Plus, since 
>> sighted users do have a way to switch between apps with 3D Touch, but that's 
>> just a theory.Sent from my iPad Pro
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> 
>>> did you and your roommate try a regular swipe, or swiping with two or three 
>>> fingers to switch apps? My guess is that the feature is available to 
>>> everyone but only requires four fingers if VoiceOVer is running.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the 
>>>> volume.
>>>> As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I 
>>>> live with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only 
>>>> available when VoiceOver is running.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do 
>>>>> non-rotor users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or 
>>>>> sometimes a pop-up button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
>>>>> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
>>>>> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
>>>>> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
>>>>> point.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>>>>>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>>>>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>>>>>> get what you want ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>>>>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>>>>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>>>>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>>>>>> easily as we can.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
>>>>>>>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
>>>>>>>> that mainstream users don't.
>

Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Christina C.]

Joney,

What do you remember about it? Was it a four finger swipe and did Tim Cook say 
that it only works on the 6S or 6S plus?  I know a few sighted users of the 
iPhone and one of their biggest gripes is not having a way to move from one 
open app to another very quickly other than the back button which only shows up 
under certain circumstances. It seems to me that more people would be talking 
about this new iOS feature if they could actually quickly swipe back and forth 
between open apps.  Confusing :)

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Joney  wrote:
> 
> Tim Cook talked about it on the presentation and showed it as an update for 
> all.
> 
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com 

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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Christina C.]

Maybe that’s why some can get the four finger swipe with VO to work and some 
can’t. Maybe it only works on the newest phone. Has anyone here been able to 
use the four finger swipe with older phones?
> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, we tried all of those methods, with no luck.
> It could also be that feature is specific to the 6S and 6S Plus, since 
> sighted users do have a way to switch between apps with 3D Touch, but that's 
> just a theory.Sent from my iPad Pro
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Daniel,
>> 
>> did you and your roommate try a regular swipe, or swiping with two or three 
>> fingers to switch apps? My guess is that the feature is available to 
>> everyone but only requires four fingers if VoiceOVer is running.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the 
>>> volume.
>>> As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I 
>>> live with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only 
>>> available when VoiceOver is running.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do 
>>>> non-rotor users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or 
>>>> sometimes a pop-up button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
>>>> 
>>>> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
>>>> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
>>>> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
>>>> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
>>>> point.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>>>>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>>>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>>>>> get what you want ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>>>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>>>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>>>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>>>>> easily as we can.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
>>>>>>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
>>>>>>> that mainstream users don't.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
>>>>>>> <<mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
>>>>>>>> is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
>>>>>>>> anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this

Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

Yes, we tried all of those methods, with no luck.
It could also be that feature is specific to the 6S and 6S Plus, since sighted 
users do have a way to switch between apps with 3D Touch, but that's just a 
theory.Sent from my iPad Pro

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> did you and your roommate try a regular swipe, or swiping with two or three 
> fingers to switch apps? My guess is that the feature is available to everyone 
> but only requires four fingers if VoiceOVer is running.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the 
>> volume.
>> As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I 
>> live with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only 
>> available when VoiceOver is running.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do 
>>> non-rotor users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or 
>>> sometimes a pop-up button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
>>> 
>>> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
>>> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
>>> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
>>> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
>>> point.
>>> 
>>>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>>>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>>>> 
>>>> Sandy
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>>>> get what you want ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>>>> easily as we can.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carol P
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
>>>>>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
>>>>>> that mainstream users don't.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
>>>>>> <<mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
>>>>>>> is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
>>>>>>> anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
>>>>>>> feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
>>>>>>> surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
>>>>>>> the mainstream does not have.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Christina
>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It is new and 9.3.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>

Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Daniel,

did you and your roommate try a regular swipe, or swiping with two or three 
fingers to switch apps? My guess is that the feature is available to everyone 
but only requires four fingers if VoiceOVer is running.

Best,
Anna



> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the 
> volume.
> As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I 
> live with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only 
> available when VoiceOver is running.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> 
>> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do non-rotor 
>> users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or sometimes a pop-up 
>> button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
>> 
>> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
>> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
>> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
>> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
>> point.
>> 
>>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>>> 
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>>> get what you want ...
>>>> 
>>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>>> easily as we can.
>>>> 
>>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Carol P
>>>> 
>>>>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
>>>>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
>>>>> that mainstream users don't.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
>>>>> <<mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
>>>>>> is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
>>>>>> anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
>>>>>> feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
>>>>>> surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
>>>>>> the mainstream does not have.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Christina
>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is new and 9.3.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson
>>>>>>> <robin.christopher...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:robin.christopher...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dear listers
>>>>>>>> You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been
>>>>>>>> in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least,
>>>>>>>> swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running
>>>>>>>> apps. I know this has worked on an iPad Air 2 for

Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the volume.
As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I live 
with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only available 
when VoiceOver is running.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
> 
> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do non-rotor 
> users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or sometimes a pop-up 
> button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
> 
> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
> point.
> 
>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>> get what you want ...
>>> 
>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>> easily as we can.
>>> 
>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> 
>>>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
>>>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
>>>> that mainstream users don't.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
>>>> <<mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
>>>>> is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
>>>>> anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
>>>>> feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
>>>>> surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
>>>>> the mainstream does not have.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Christina
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is new and 9.3.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson
>>>>>> <robin.christopher...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:robin.christopher...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear listers
>>>>>>> You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been
>>>>>>> in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least,
>>>>>>> swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running
>>>>>>> apps. I know this has worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but
>>>>>>> wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!
>>>>>>> Thanks, Robin
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Flor Lynch]

So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do non-rotor 
users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or sometimes a pop-up 
button), that requires rotor gestures from us?


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
point.

On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:

I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
get what you want ...

In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.

Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
easily as we can.

No doubt, someone will enlighten me!


Carol P

On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
that mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
<<mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:


I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
the mainstream does not have.

Christina

On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson
<robin.christopher...@gmail.com
<mailto:robin.christopher...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Dear listers
You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been
in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least,
swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running
apps. I know this has worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but
wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!
Thanks, Robin

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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Christopher Chaltain]

No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's 
only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think, 
when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes, 
so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that 
point.


On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:

I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> wrote:


I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
get what you want ...

In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.

Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
easily as we can.

No doubt, someone will enlighten me!


Carol P

On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
that mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
<blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:


I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
the mainstream does not have.

Christina

On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:

It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson
> wrote:


Dear listers
You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been
in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least,
swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running
apps. I know this has worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but
wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!
Thanks, Robin

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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Christopher Chaltain]

No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's 
only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think, 
when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes, 
so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that 
point.


On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:

I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> wrote:


I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
get what you want ...

In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.

Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
easily as we can.

No doubt, someone will enlighten me!


Carol P

On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
that mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
<blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:


I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
the mainstream does not have.

Christina

On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:

It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson
> wrote:


Dear listers
You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been
in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least,
swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running
apps. I know this has worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but
wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple tap when 
> capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to get what you want 
> ...
> 
> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when you 
> have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you can then do 
> this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume is the same as the 
> clipboard) and paste it where required.
> 
> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so easily 
> as we can.
> 
> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
> 
> 
> Carol P
> 
>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use 
>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature that 
>> mainstream users don't.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 
>>> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this is also 
>>> available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that anywhere on the 
>>> internet. I know lots of people who would love this feature on their iPhone 
>>> who does not use voice over. I’d be surprised to know that voice Over users 
>>> have a new cool feature that the mainstream does not have.
>>> 
>>> Christina
 On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten   
  wrote:
 
 It is new and 9.3.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson 
  wrote:
 
> Dear listers
>  
> You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been in iOS 
> forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least, swiping left or 
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> worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but wasn’t aware it was available on 
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>  
> Thanks, Robin
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Sorry, I meant to add that this is not new, but still a very useful feature!

Carol P


On 24/03/2016 00:25, Richard Turner wrote:


That method of copying text has been around for a while. I don't 
remember off hand when it came in, but it is not new in 9.3.
The text selection on the rotor is new in the iOS 9 cycle, which when 
available is also quite handy.

Richard



(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:09 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> wrote:


I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple 
tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to 
get what you want ...
In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when 
you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you 
can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume 
is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.


Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so 
easily as we can.


No doubt, someone will enlighten me!


Carol P

On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not 
use voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a 
feature that mainstream users don't.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.  
wrote:


I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this 
is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that 
anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this 
feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be 
surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature 
that the mainstream does not have.


Christina
On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:


It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson 
> wrote:



Dear listers
You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been 
in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least, 
swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running 
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Joney]

Tim Cook talked about it on the presentation and showed it as an update for all.

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He will  lead you through it."

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> The Applevis podcast stated that the four finger swipe is not a voiceover 
> only gesture but also for sighted users.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Daniel Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
>  
> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use 
> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature that 
> mainstream users don't.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this is also 
>> available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that anywhere on the 
>> internet. I know lots of people who would love this feature on their iPhone 
>> who does not use voice over. I’d be surprised to know that voice Over users 
>> have a new cool feature that the mainstream does not have.
>>  
>> Christina
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>> It is new and 9.3.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson 
>>>> <robin.christopher...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear listers
>>>>  
>>>> You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been in iOS 
>>>> forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least, swiping left or 
>>>> right with four fingers switches between running apps. I know this has 
>>>> worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but wasn’t aware it was available on 
>>>> the phone. Enjoy!
>>>>  
>>>> Thanks, Robin
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Marie]

The Applevis podcast stated that the four finger swipe is not a voiceover only 
gesture but also for sighted users.
Marie


From: Daniel Miller 
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use 
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature that 
mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:


  I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this is also 
available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that anywhere on the internet. 
I know lots of people who would love this feature on their iPhone who does not 
use voice over. I’d be surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool 
feature that the mainstream does not have. 

  Christina

On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson 
<robin.christopher...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Dear listers

  You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been in iOS 
forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least, swiping left or right 
with four fingers switches between running apps. I know this has worked on an 
iPad Air 2 for a while but wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!

  Thanks, Robin

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RE: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Cristóbal]

This Voiceover jesture has actually been  around for a while. There’s still the 
bug where when copying text that’s a link, VO will also copy the word link. 
Easy enough to delete once pasted, but still. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

 

I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple tap when 
capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to get what you want ...

In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when you have 
to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you can then do this 
gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume is the same as the 
clipboard) and paste it where required.

Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so easily as 
we can.

No doubt, someone will enlighten me!


Carol P

On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use 
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature that 
mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this is also 
available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that anywhere on the internet. 
I know lots of people who would love this feature on their iPhone who does not 
use voice over. I’d be surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool 
feature that the mainstream does not have. 

 

Christina

On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson 
<robin.christopher...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear listers

 

You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been in iOS forever 
but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least, swiping left or right with 
four fingers switches between running apps. I know this has worked on an iPad 
Air 2 for a while but wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!

 

Thanks, Robin

 

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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Richard Turner]

That method of copying text has been around for a while. I don't remember off 
hand when it came in, but it is not new in 9.3.
The text selection on the rotor is new in the iOS 9 cycle, which when available 
is also quite handy.
Richard



(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:09 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple tap when 
> capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to get what you want 
> ...
> 
> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when you 
> have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you can then do 
> this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume is the same as the 
> clipboard) and paste it where required.
> 
> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so easily 
> as we can.
> 
> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
> 
> 
> Carol P
> 
>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use 
>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature that 
>> mainstream users don't.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 
>>> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this is also 
>>> available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that anywhere on the 
>>> internet. I know lots of people who would love this feature on their iPhone 
>>> who does not use voice over. I’d be surprised to know that voice Over users 
>>> have a new cool feature that the mainstream does not have.
>>> 
>>> Christina
 On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 It is new and 9.3.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson 
  wrote:
 
> Dear listers
>  
> You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been in iOS 
> forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least, swiping left or 
> right with four fingers switches between running apps. I know this has 
> worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but wasn’t aware it was available on 
> the phone. Enjoy!
>  
> Thanks, Robin
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple tap 
when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to get what 
you want ...


In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when 
you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you can 
then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume is the 
same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.


Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so 
easily as we can.


No doubt, someone will enlighten me!


Carol P

On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use 
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature 
that mainstream users don't.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C. > wrote:


I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this 
is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that anywhere 
on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this feature on 
their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be surprised to know 
that voice Over users have a new cool feature that the mainstream 
does not have.


Christina
On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:


It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson 
> wrote:



Dear listers
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[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use 
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature that 
mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this is also 
> available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that anywhere on the 
> internet. I know lots of people who would love this feature on their iPhone 
> who does not use voice over. I’d be surprised to know that voice Over users 
> have a new cool feature that the mainstream does not have.
> 
> Christina
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> It is new and 9.3.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>  wrote:
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>>> Dear listers
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>>>  
>>> Thanks, Robin
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

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> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but wasn’t aware it was available on the 
>> phone. Enjoy!
>>  
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Christina C.]

I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this is also 
available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that anywhere on the internet. 
I know lots of people who would love this feature on their iPhone who does not 
use voice over. I’d be surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool 
feature that the mainstream does not have.

Christina
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> It is new and 9.3.
> 
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> > 
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>> Dear listers
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>> phone. Enjoy!
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Mary Otten]

It is new and 9.3.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson 
>  wrote:
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> Dear listers
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> You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been in iOS 
> forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least, swiping left or 
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> Enjoy!
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Mega discovery in 9.3

[Robin Christopherson]

Dear listers

You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been in iOS forever 
but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least, swiping left or right with 
four fingers switches between running apps. I know this has worked on an iPad 
Air 2 for a while but wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!

Thanks, Robin

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