Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
yes, absolutely the 4S and 5 cameras work better. You can scan from farther away. I recently did a trip to the supermarket with our beta version on a 4S and was able to easily read shelf tags from about 2 feet away. It was way cool! N On Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:59:12 PM UTC-5, Gail The U. S. Male wrote: Nancy, have you found that the cameras in the iPhone 4S and 5 makes a difference over the iPhone 4? I know the camera is more megapixels, so, I would think the larger ones would work better, but I don’t think I’ve seen anything on list confirming this. Thanks. *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Nancy M *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:12 AM *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Cc:* wfga...@charter.net javascript: *Subject:* Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes We've found that different solutions work for different people. And they even work differently for the same people under different circumstances. Like any purchase, you need to consider the cost and the benefit of the various solutions. It may help to understand what Digit-Eyes is intended to do. Most of the people here sound like they are thinking of it in the context of reading UPC labels. It does do this, but the purpose of Digit-Eyes is to help with labeling -- both creating your own (text or recordable QR code labels) and for reading those created by others (QR code and three barcodes: UPC, Code 3 of 9 and code 128). Some people use it for both labeling and reading; some for just reading UPCs. You can even buy the two functions separately if you want to. Our vision in creating Digit-Eyes was to create a tool that fit the following criteria: a) *small* (does anyone really like to use a device that is awkward or obtrusive -- particularly in public?) b) *portable* (AT isn't much use unless it is where you are, not in another room or left at home) c) *robust and very reliable* (AT equipment that isn't working or that is undependable is very frustrating) d) *working* (electronic devices that are out of battery are worthless) e) *replaceable* (if you lose your iPhone, when you synch up your new one, you'll find all your saved labels are restored from your backup) f) *easy to learn and use* (Digit-Eyes does require some practice -- like many things -- but it is generally very simple to use, just a matter of repetition) g) *both inexpensive and powerful in terms of data* (what good is it to have product identification system that can't identify your item? we have about 28 million UPC/EAN codes and the updates are both continuous and free. Most of the other solutions have about a 50% product identification rate; Digit-Eyes runs 95%+ in most countries and languages) h) *very inexpensive in terms of supply* (our target is 1 cent per label or less) i) * very inexpensive in terms of acquisition* (Our target was to have a product that anyone could easily afford and not have to save up or get a grant to buy. Begging for money isn't fun and our family has a LOT of things to do where $500 or $1000 would come in handy!) I think that in most cases, we did hit the design objectives. The tradeoffs are that you do need to learn to use the iPhone camera and if you are using it to read UPC codes, you need to learn about code placement and (like every other solution), it isn't for everyone. Some people read Braille, some don't. Some people like having a dog, some don't. Some people are very comfortable using JAWS, some are not. Here are a couple of things we've learned: a) a lot of people use the print-it-yourself labels and love them. b) a lot of people use the washable pre-printed labels, ditto. Oddly, we have as many positive comments from sighted spouses as from our intended user base. c) finding UPCs has become simpler because manufacturers are moving the labels from the sides to the bottoms of boxes d) the improvements in the Apple cameras are making it possible for us to analyze much larger image portions all at once, which means that finding codes and labels is easier e) about 1 in 50 customers needs help learning to use the camera and Skype is a great way to do this. Every time I (or one of our staff) works with someone over Skype, we learn stuff about how that app is used. I think if you get Digit-Eyes and learn to use it, that you'll like it (most people do); if it turns out that it is not for you, you can return it to Apple. Cordially, Nancy If you have an existing barcode scanner that attaches to your PC (like the Metrologic one), you can also now use the desktop version if you are so inclined: https://www.digit-eyes.com/cgi-bin/digiteyes.fcgi?action=quickScan On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:30:02 AM UTC-5, William F. Gallik wrote: I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5
Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
I highly do not recommend digit eyes. I bought it tried it and returned it promptly. I would rather recommend the omni or summit bar code readers. Brent Harbolt - Original Message - From: William F. Gallik wfgal...@charter.net To: List viPhone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
Digit eyes is a great AP, use it all the time. This person is just wrong, flat wrong. If a person can not locate a bar code, this is certainly not the falt, of digit eyes, this does not make it a worthless ap. I would say it is a operator problem. This is so unfair... -Original Message- From: William F. Gallik Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:30 AM To: List viPhone Subject: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
Hi all. The nice thing about multiple apps in the AppStore is that what works for one person might not work for others. I've heard good and bad this about Digit-Eyes just like I've heard good and bad things about oMoby. One app might fit a person's needs better than another. I've personally not tried Digit-Eyes, so cannot comment on how good or bad it is, but from reading their page and from reading many posts on this list, and even from Nancy herself, I would say that if you know how to use the app, and you understand what it's supposed to do and how, then there should be no reason to not like it. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos Until I was 13, I thought my name was 'Shut Up.' -- Joe Namath Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/4/2012 10:23 AM, Don wrote: Digit eyes is a great AP, use it all the time. This person is just wrong, flat wrong. If a person can not locate a bar code, this is certainly not the falt, of digit eyes, this does not make it a worthless ap. I would say it is a operator problem. This is so unfair... -Original Message- From: William F. Gallik Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:30 AM To: List viPhone Subject: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
I have had great success with Digit Eyes. What helps is knowing where you typically would find a barcode and then getting an idea as to how far away from the barcode you need to be in order to ensure the camera captures it. I always suggest starting out close and slowly back away and at least with the 4S you would find six to eight inches is about right. On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:30 AM, William F. Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote: I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit- Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
It does take somewhat of a learning curve to find the bar code. That said, Of all of the apps that I've used, digit eyes reads it faster than any other app I've seen out there. Agreed, multidirectional bar code readers, like the ID Mate products, is a lot easier, but comes with a much heavier price tag. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:23 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes Digit eyes is a great AP, use it all the time. This person is just wrong, flat wrong. If a person can not locate a bar code, this is certainly not the falt, of digit eyes, this does not make it a worthless ap. I would say it is a operator problem. This is so unfair... -Original Message- From: William F. Gallik Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:30 AM To: List viPhone Subject: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
We've found that different solutions work for different people. And they even work differently for the same people under different circumstances. Like any purchase, you need to consider the cost and the benefit of the various solutions. It may help to understand what Digit-Eyes is intended to do. Most of the people here sound like they are thinking of it in the context of reading UPC labels. It does do this, but the purpose of Digit-Eyes is to help with labeling -- both creating your own (text or recordable QR code labels) and for reading those created by others (QR code and three barcodes: UPC, Code 3 of 9 and code 128). Some people use it for both labeling and reading; some for just reading UPCs. You can even buy the two functions separately if you want to. Our vision in creating Digit-Eyes was to create a tool that fit the following criteria: a) *small* (does anyone really like to use a device that is awkward or obtrusive -- particularly in public?) b) *portable* (AT isn't much use unless it is where you are, not in another room or left at home) c) *robust and very reliable* (AT equipment that isn't working or that is undependable is very frustrating) d) *working* (electronic devices that are out of battery are worthless) e) *replaceable* (if you lose your iPhone, when you synch up your new one, you'll find all your saved labels are restored from your backup) f) *easy to learn and use* (Digit-Eyes does require some practice -- like many things -- but it is generally very simple to use, just a matter of repetition) g) *both inexpensive and powerful in terms of data* (what good is it to have product identification system that can't identify your item? we have about 28 million UPC/EAN codes and the updates are both continuous and free. Most of the other solutions have about a 50% product identification rate; Digit-Eyes runs 95%+ in most countries and languages) h) *very inexpensive in terms of supply* (our target is 1 cent per label or less) i) * very inexpensive in terms of acquisition* (Our target was to have a product that anyone could easily afford and not have to save up or get a grant to buy. Begging for money isn't fun and our family has a LOT of things to do where $500 or $1000 would come in handy!) I think that in most cases, we did hit the design objectives. The tradeoffs are that you do need to learn to use the iPhone camera and if you are using it to read UPC codes, you need to learn about code placement and (like every other solution), it isn't for everyone. Some people read Braille, some don't. Some people like having a dog, some don't. Some people are very comfortable using JAWS, some are not. Here are a couple of things we've learned: a) a lot of people use the print-it-yourself labels and love them. b) a lot of people use the washable pre-printed labels, ditto. Oddly, we have as many positive comments from sighted spouses as from our intended user base. c) finding UPCs has become simpler because manufacturers are moving the labels from the sides to the bottoms of boxes d) the improvements in the Apple cameras are making it possible for us to analyze much larger image portions all at once, which means that finding codes and labels is easier e) about 1 in 50 customers needs help learning to use the camera and Skype is a great way to do this. Every time I (or one of our staff) works with someone over Skype, we learn stuff about how that app is used. I think if you get Digit-Eyes and learn to use it, that you'll like it (most people do); if it turns out that it is not for you, you can return it to Apple. Cordially, Nancy If you have an existing barcode scanner that attaches to your PC (like the Metrologic one), you can also now use the desktop version if you are so inclined: https://www.digit-eyes.com/cgi-bin/digiteyes.fcgi?action=quickScan On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:30:02 AM UTC-5, William F. Gallik wrote: I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
Also, for reference, Digit-Eyes reads multi-directionally.Unlike some of the other video analysis products, you don't have to line anything up. That isn't a reasonable expectation for customer's who can't see. N On Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:06:59 AM UTC-5, Thom3of5 wrote: It does take somewhat of a learning curve to find the bar code. That said, Of all of the apps that I've used, digit eyes reads it faster than any other app I've seen out there. Agreed, multidirectional bar code readers, like the ID Mate products, is a lot easier, but comes with a much heavier price tag. Thom -Original Message- From: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:23 AM To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes Digit eyes is a great AP, use it all the time. This person is just wrong, flat wrong. If a person can not locate a bar code, this is certainly not the falt, of digit eyes, this does not make it a worthless ap. I would say it is a operator problem. This is so unfair... -Original Message- From: William F. Gallik Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:30 AM To: List viPhone Subject: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
Hi Brent, As Raul pointed out, apps work differently for different users, I also found Digit Eyes to be very easy to use and have achieved good results, my problem is more that often it does not pull up a product even though it reads the barcode just fine because a lot of Canadian Safeway products are unfortunately not in the database because they use a different barcode because of the bilingual packaging. I wish there was a way to custom add products, hopefully in a later update this will be possible. Also, keep in mind Brent that when you post that you highly advise against buying an app it helps a lot if you list specifically what makes you give that recommendation and what exactly you found didn't work for you with said app. I think any scanning apps are problematic because of their visual nature. It's like OCR apps, some people on the list have had rather good results with Prizmo, others with SayText etc. But just because you may not have gotten a good result with Prizmo in a particular situation doesn't mean it doesn't work. A few people even said they couldn't get any useable results with Fleksy and I'd say at least 9 out of 10 people or better just love the app and how easy it is to type with it. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
Hi William, First, a few points: 1. I sure hope you didn't buy an iPhone 5 90% for barcode scanning, you could have bought an iPod Touch 5th Gen for that in a couple of weeks as it has a camera which is perfectly adequate for that. 2. No matter how good an app or solution is, you still have to find the silly barcode and that will never change. In itself that does not make an app such as Digit Eyes all but unuseable as your noteworthy techie seems to believe. 3. Any noteworthy techie has his or her opinions and if that person has a shaky hand, is unable to hold the iPhone reasonably straight compared to whatever it is your are scanning or anything of a similar nature, they will of course not recommend the app because they can't get it to work. They maybe a wiz in other things, but that means nothing. So, is Digit Eyes worth it? Absolutely. I have used it with good success many times although I have not used with custom labels which would probably make it an even better experience. The main thing is that you have to read their instructions and tips on how to find barcodes. It helps if you maybe have sighted help a few times to assist you in that because there are definite rules as to where barcodes are placed on product and while there are many exceptions it really pays off to know these rules and to know how to apply them. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
I love digit-eyes. Are barcodes easy to find? ONce you get the general hang of finding them. There is a general how to find the barcode suggestion on the digit-eyes app. I use digit-eyes all the time, and have worked with people to learn hwo to use it. On 10/4/12, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi all. The nice thing about multiple apps in the AppStore is that what works for one person might not work for others. I've heard good and bad this about Digit-Eyes just like I've heard good and bad things about oMoby. One app might fit a person's needs better than another. I've personally not tried Digit-Eyes, so cannot comment on how good or bad it is, but from reading their page and from reading many posts on this list, and even from Nancy herself, I would say that if you know how to use the app, and you understand what it's supposed to do and how, then there should be no reason to not like it. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos Until I was 13, I thought my name was 'Shut Up.' -- Joe Namath Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/4/2012 10:23 AM, Don wrote: Digit eyes is a great AP, use it all the time. This person is just wrong, flat wrong. If a person can not locate a bar code, this is certainly not the falt, of digit eyes, this does not make it a worthless ap. I would say it is a operator problem. This is so unfair... -Original Message- From: William F. Gallik Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:30 AM To: List viPhone Subject: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
I don't think it is unfair, at all. Having used a dedicated bar code reader and compared to bar-code scanning apps including Digiteyes, the ease of use is far superior on things like the IdMate Omni, Summit or Quest. If you are quite patient, have good dexterity, you can use Digit-Eyes. However, it takes a bit longer to scan a bar code, seems to be more dependent on lighting than the IdMate laser scanning device, and there is a longer delay between the time it acquires a bar code and the time it has the initial identification. Steve - Original Message - From: Don n5...@yahoo.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes Digit eyes is a great AP, use it all the time. This person is just wrong, flat wrong. If a person can not locate a bar code, this is certainly not the falt, of digit eyes, this does not make it a worthless ap. I would say it is a operator problem. This is so unfair... -Original Message- From: William F. Gallik Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:30 AM To: List viPhone Subject: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
Hi Steve, I believe these dedicated solutions use a locally stored database and don't go out online to look it up which accounts for the small lag. Also, you didn't mention how much an IDMate Omni, Summit or Quest costs, I understand it is slightly more than $10 or $20 and I don't typically count the cost of the iPhone because I have it anyways and it does a hundred other things for me. Considering how well Digit Eyes works and how much it costs it wins every time in this comparison. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes I don't think it is unfair, at all. Having used a dedicated bar code reader and compared to bar-code scanning apps including Digiteyes, the ease of use is far superior on things like the IdMate Omni, Summit or Quest. If you are quite patient, have good dexterity, you can use Digit-Eyes. However, it takes a bit longer to scan a bar code, seems to be more dependent on lighting than the IdMate laser scanning device, and there is a longer delay between the time it acquires a bar code and the time it has the initial identification. Steve - Original Message - From: Don n5...@yahoo.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes Digit eyes is a great AP, use it all the time. This person is just wrong, flat wrong. If a person can not locate a bar code, this is certainly not the falt, of digit eyes, this does not make it a worthless ap. I would say it is a operator problem. This is so unfair... -Original Message- From: William F. Gallik Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:30 AM To: List viPhone Subject: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy is worth the effort. The advice I seek is whether or not others can recommend using Digit-Eyes or not? Thanks! Holland's Person, Bill - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
Nancy, have you found that the cameras in the iPhone 4S and 5 makes a difference over the iPhone 4? I know the camera is more megapixels, so, I would think the larger ones would work better, but I don't think I've seen anything on list confirming this. Thanks. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy M Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:12 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: wfgal...@charter.net Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes We've found that different solutions work for different people. And they even work differently for the same people under different circumstances. Like any purchase, you need to consider the cost and the benefit of the various solutions. It may help to understand what Digit-Eyes is intended to do. Most of the people here sound like they are thinking of it in the context of reading UPC labels. It does do this, but the purpose of Digit-Eyes is to help with labeling -- both creating your own (text or recordable QR code labels) and for reading those created by others (QR code and three barcodes: UPC, Code 3 of 9 and code 128). Some people use it for both labeling and reading; some for just reading UPCs. You can even buy the two functions separately if you want to. Our vision in creating Digit-Eyes was to create a tool that fit the following criteria: a) small (does anyone really like to use a device that is awkward or obtrusive -- particularly in public?) b) portable (AT isn't much use unless it is where you are, not in another room or left at home) c) robust and very reliable (AT equipment that isn't working or that is undependable is very frustrating) d) working (electronic devices that are out of battery are worthless) e) replaceable (if you lose your iPhone, when you synch up your new one, you'll find all your saved labels are restored from your backup) f) easy to learn and use (Digit-Eyes does require some practice -- like many things -- but it is generally very simple to use, just a matter of repetition) g) both inexpensive and powerful in terms of data (what good is it to have product identification system that can't identify your item? we have about 28 million UPC/EAN codes and the updates are both continuous and free. Most of the other solutions have about a 50% product identification rate; Digit-Eyes runs 95%+ in most countries and languages) h) very inexpensive in terms of supply (our target is 1 cent per label or less) i) very inexpensive in terms of acquisition (Our target was to have a product that anyone could easily afford and not have to save up or get a grant to buy. Begging for money isn't fun and our family has a LOT of things to do where $500 or $1000 would come in handy!) I think that in most cases, we did hit the design objectives. The tradeoffs are that you do need to learn to use the iPhone camera and if you are using it to read UPC codes, you need to learn about code placement and (like every other solution), it isn't for everyone. Some people read Braille, some don't. Some people like having a dog, some don't. Some people are very comfortable using JAWS, some are not. Here are a couple of things we've learned: a) a lot of people use the print-it-yourself labels and love them. b) a lot of people use the washable pre-printed labels, ditto. Oddly, we have as many positive comments from sighted spouses as from our intended user base. c) finding UPCs has become simpler because manufacturers are moving the labels from the sides to the bottoms of boxes d) the improvements in the Apple cameras are making it possible for us to analyze much larger image portions all at once, which means that finding codes and labels is easier e) about 1 in 50 customers needs help learning to use the camera and Skype is a great way to do this. Every time I (or one of our staff) works with someone over Skype, we learn stuff about how that app is used. I think if you get Digit-Eyes and learn to use it, that you'll like it (most people do); if it turns out that it is not for you, you can return it to Apple. Cordially, Nancy If you have an existing barcode scanner that attaches to your PC (like the Metrologic one), you can also now use the desktop version if you are so inclined: https://www.digit-eyes.com/cgi-bin/digiteyes.fcgi?action=quickScan On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:30:02 AM UTC-5, William F. Gallik wrote: I finally joined modern society and ordered an iPhone 5 with a main objective of using Digit-Eyes. I was advised by a noteworthy techie that Digit-Eyes is not quite the panacea I may have thought it was. He suggested that the frustrations of trying to locate the UPC makes the product pretty much useless. I should also say that I listened to one of the audio demonstrations presented by a gentleman (his name escapes me at the moment) who stressed the potential frustrations of trying to locate the UPCs. But his ultimate recommendation was that the efficacy
Re: Seeking Advice on Digit-Eyes
I want to thank all who replied to my request for advice on Digit-Eyes. For a mere $20, I believe it's worth the risk to install this ap on my new iPhone. It's certainly more affordable than several other bar code readers available in excess of $1000. Obviously, it was my intention all along to look into Digit-Eyes despite the advice from my noteworthy techie. I had listened to an TechTalk demo given by Rick Harmon where he discussed several bar scanning products with a main focus on Digit-Eyes. He also provided a fairly detailed overview on locating the UPC on several different types of products. But before forging ahead, I did want to get a feel of the product from a broader pool of opinions. The comments offered here have convinced me that difficulties with Digit-Eyes is probably an individual matter and many folks have no such difficulties. Again, thank all of you for your obviously sincere replies. Sincerely Bill Gallik Leader Dog Holland - Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
