Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi David,

I think your comparing Apples to oranges.  Not liking an app, an app not being 
as intuitive as you wish, or not having the features you expected, is different 
from not being able to use an app.  I’m sure if sighted people bought an app, 
and every time they launched it, all they saw was a black screen, they would 
scream from the mountain tops for their money back.  Why? because the app goes 
beyond not being useful, its unusable for them.

That is what we are talking about here.  Is the equivalent of walking into a 
store, buying an appliance, getting it home just to find out it doesn’t turn 
on.  Asking for your money back doesn't make you poor and helpless.

And in my opinion, the example you gave with digieyes means absolutely nothing. 
 People abuse policies all the time.  It doesn’t matter if blind or sighted.  
Why take one example and let that calibrate your moral compass? haha.

You might as well say, I no longer use the internet because people download 
content illegally with it.

I usually agree with you but, I think your totally wrong here.  I think your 
confusing some hypersensitive blind independence streak with sound business and 
fairness to a segment of consumers.  Like I said, I’m sure if a sighted person 
bought an app for say, $4.99, and the app gave no visual feedback, Apple would 
hear about it, and people would be asking for their money back.

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:05 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Here is my problem with all this stuff around accessibility of apps. Apple 
> clearly states in their documentation for those who are not blind, that all 
> sales are final. People on this list argue that sighted persons can look at 
> the, up to five, screen shots to ascertain if the app will work for them. Get 
> real, folks, five pictures does not tell a person how well an app works. Five 
> pictures only tells a person if they will find the lay-out of five 
> appearances of app screens to be acceptable. I have read many reviews of apps 
> where the reviewer comments that the app is a waste of money and the reviewer 
> wishes he/she did not waste the money on the app. And, this is the case no 
> matter how expensive the app is.
> 
> So, basically, what I interpret people to be saying is, we are special. We 
> require charity. We do not wish to be treated like everybody else.
> 
> For example, and the reason I am so specific about this, and the reason I 
> have never, and will never, unless Apple changes its general policy, ask for 
> an app refund is, a couple months after DigitEyes was placed for sale on the 
> App Store, a person on this list at that time could not figure out how to get 
> DigitEyes to work for himself/herself, so the person told Apple that 
> DigitEyes was not accessible and received a refund. DigitEyes was 
> specifically developed to be accessible. It just was not useable for that 
> person for whatever reason. Therefore, the person flagrantly and completely 
> abused Apple's charity refund policy for us poor, helpless, blind folk.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 12/09/2013, at 22:10, Joanne Chua  wrote:
> 
>> If blind and vips people insist that if an app is not accessible with 
>> voiceover, we have the rights to refun/return the apps deal to 
>> inaccessibility within the apps. Now, i have a question and a thought, if a 
>> developer specificly develop apps for voiceover and does not have other way 
>> of accessing the apps but voiceover, can an ordinary non-voiceover user 
>> refun the app with the condition that is being too accessible for the 
>> minority, but inaccessible for the other people?
>> Of course, this is just a point of arguement, it does not involve any of the 
>> app development policy or anything or such. Just looking at things in 
>> different angle..
>> 
>> 
>> Joanne Chua
>> The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
>> Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
>> Send from my iPad
>> 
>> On 12/09/2013, at 19:13, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>> 
>>> So this 90-day policy has "always" been the case, right? Nothing has been 
>>> changed nor lawsuits nor petitions been used to force compliance by Apple, 
>>> right?
>>> 
>>> As a general statement conveying my own personal opinion, this incident is 
>>> more proof for the value of asking questions and educating oneself rather 
>>> than starting long, expensive legal wars. .
>>> 
>>> I would now ask for a link to a "terms of agreement" webpage on the matter 
>>> of accessibility, which we can all point to when the issue of refunds for 
>>> inaccessible apps pops up. This will serve to educate ourselves and to 
>>> educate the next Apple customer service employee who doesn't clearly 
>>> understand the apple refund policy. We would be in a much better place to 
>>> present a good case if we can provide customer service

Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I’m going to assume most people will be using there thumb for the fingerprint 
reader since the overwhelming majority use their thumb to press the home 
button.  I’m not a braille user but, I couldn’t imagine most people developing 
callus on their thumbs from braille reading.

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:

> The only problem I see with a fingerprint scanner is that, while fingerprints 
> don't change, the surface of fingers do, especially we, the blind who use our 
> fingers more often then most, especially for Braille reading and the like, 
> will no doubt develop callouses on their fingers which may interfere with the 
> scanner's ability to read said fingerprints.
> 
> Like I said, it may not be a problem in the short term, but if one can't 
> afford to purchase the latest and greatest every year when it comes out, this 
> will no doubt impact one's decision, but as the fingerprint setting can be 
> turned off, this may render this problem a moot point.  Assuming you turn off 
> the fingerprint setting before you develop the callouses.  LOL.
> 
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RE: My next upgrade

[Debbie Palmer]

Still a bit pricey the Iphone tariffs Chris  I get 900 mins talk time,
unlimited test and 750mb and 500 mins talk time vodafone to vodafone and
mine is £15.  Why are the Iphone tariff's more expensive?

Debbie

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verizon nfl mobile

[Larry McCreary]

Hello,
I installed nfl mobile in my verizon iphone 4s and can't get it to work.  I 
have sent the text message to verify the account and it has been recognized.  I 
am prompted to sign in or continue.  I open continue and the app closes.  What 
do I need to do to correct this problem.  Also is there a charge to use this 
app for audio?
Thanks much.
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Re: verizon nfl mobile

[Les Kriegler]

Larry, I have the exact same problem as you. I installed mobile last evening, 
and I cannot get it to work either. Every time I try to activate a stream, I 
get an air message. So I'm not certain where to go either.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Larry McCreary  wrote:

> Hello,
> I installed nfl mobile in my verizon iphone 4s and can't get it to work.  I 
> have sent the text message to verify the account and it has been recognized.  
> I am prompted to sign in or continue.  I open continue and the app closes.  
> What do I need to do to correct this problem.  Also is there a charge to use 
> this app for audio?
> Thanks much.
> larry
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Re: iTunesU, online education

[Alexandra - Keinohrhasenfan]

Looking for courses in computer sciences on a university level.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: iTunesU, online education


hard to know what to suggest, without knowing what sort of education
you're looking for!
At 10:50 AM 9/11/2013, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>did anyone ever participate in free online courses like the ones offered by
>udacity? I created an account there, signed up and found out that I 
>couldn't
>take the course properly. There are short videos you have to watch.
>Afterwards, you have to answer some questions. After having answered the
>first question, I wasn't able to go back to the next video using jaws.
>
>So I checked out iTunesU which unfortunately doesn't seem to offer this 
>kind
>of interactive education with a combination of videos and questions.
>
>Can anyone recommend a good app for the iPhone or alternatively an
>accessible MOOC like udacity to gain some knowledge?
>
>Best regards and thanks for your help,
>
>Alexandra
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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Robin]

Does anyone know with all of the new features of iOS 7, will 
VoiceOver on iDevices have other options than that of Samantha? How 
about VoiceOver Alex from the MAC? Just wondering.


Sent From Berkeley,CA
At 01:28 PM 9/10/2013, you wrote:
The 5 s has a 64 bit processor and a slightly better camera than the 
5. It also has the finger print scanner though I would be very 
hesitant to use that. The 5 c in basically a plastic version of the iphone 5.

Original message:

I've seen lots of posts about the purchase of these phones, but haven't seen
any posts about the features offered.  What is the difference between the
two?  I now have the 4S, and was planning on upgrading to the 5, with the
hopes that one would be offered at a less expensive price.  Someone
mentioned the 5 will be no longer available?



Karen P



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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Victor Gouveia]

Hi Ricardo,

True, most people don't use their thumbs for Braille reading, but then 
there's that silly thing called life that keeps getting in the way of one's 
perfectly coiffed digits.


Remember what sets us apart from other animals is the fact that we do have 
opposable thumbs, hence we tend to use our thumbs more than any other finger 
in our repertoire.


In addition, with us being blind, we use our hands more than most people, so 
callouses are pretty much a sure thing for us, regardless of which digit we 
use to read Braille.


Of course, you do realize that the "reading Braille" was just an example of 
the various things we do with our fingers don't you?


I mean, I wasn't being that obtuse, was I?  Smiles.


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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[RobH.]

Thumbs get used a lot for hammer target practice.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Hi Ricardo,

True, most people don't use their thumbs for Braille reading, but then
there's that silly thing called life that keeps getting in the way of one's
perfectly coiffed digits.

Remember what sets us apart from other animals is the fact that we do have
opposable thumbs, hence we tend to use our thumbs more than any other finger
in our repertoire.

In addition, with us being blind, we use our hands more than most people, so
callouses are pretty much a sure thing for us, regardless of which digit we
use to read Braille.

Of course, you do realize that the "reading Braille" was just an example of
the various things we do with our fingers don't you?

I mean, I wasn't being that obtuse, was I?  Smiles.


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BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Bill Holton]

The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Victor Gouveia]

Hi Sieghard,

As with most bio-scanners, Fingerprint, Retinal, facial or Voice, they can 
be very, very finicky, and therefore subject to error.


As your post identified, scars and other skin deformities may interfere with 
the scanners ability to detect the print correctly.  I actually think that 
it's not a matter of it "may" effect it, I think it's a matter of it "will" 
effect it, and become useless.


As we belong to a population that uses it's hands more than the regular 
population, the likelihood we will develop callouses on our fingertips is 
pretty high, and callouses are, for wont of a better term, scarring which 
interferes with fingerprints in a big way.


I haven't always been blind, and I've been privy to fingerprints that were 
calloused, and where the callouses were located, there were, what looked 
like, smudges in place of the etchings of the print, so, where identifying 
swirls would have been, were just smudges.


I suppose that one could take better care of their fingers, but, as I said 
in a previous post, that pesky life tends to get in the way, and callouses 
are pretty much a sure thing, right along with taxes and death.  Smile.


In any case, at the end of the day, bio-scanners are in actuality not a good 
way of securing anything, as they are not infallible.  About the only 
bio-scanners that are infallible are plasma and DNA scanners, as those are 
the only two things about the human body that do not change, and I don't 
see Apple coming up with blood scanners anytime soon.  Smiles.


P.S.

If you want a perfect example of how bad bio-scanners are, just look at how 
many people have problems using Siri because Siri isn't understanding what 
they're saying?  Grins.


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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know 
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time for 
it.

Scott Rumery
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Apple accessibility history and refunds was RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Wayne gmail]

Hi David.  Thanks for that up close and personal review of Apple's history
with access for blind users.  I too have lived through most of that same
history but from the point of view of a blind mainframe programmer / analyst
who needed accessible products to do my job.
  My first experience with accessibility was a TI994a with a synthesizer
which I programmed myself and used to write my own editor in school.  TI was
surprised because they thought that synthesizer was for programming
games.
  It is clear, from what you say that Apple was interested in accessibility.
However, I began and retired from my career as a blind programmer / analyst
with absolutely no usable tools from Apple.  Therefore it is also clear that
Apple wasn't interested enough to make it happen.  Hard to believe now that
Apple reigns supreme but for quite a few of those years Apple was mainly
interested in staying alive and did not have a lot of resources to invest in
accessibility.
   Part of what Apple did to stay alive was to emphasize strongly the
education market.  Your account makes it look very much as though Apple
decided to make accessibility happen when that market was threatened by a
cutoff of a lot of the federal money which funded the purchase of their
computers in the education market.  About that time, thanks in part to the
return of Steve Jobs, Apple began innovating and becoming the major player
in the mobility market.  They did it well and are still showing the rest of
the world that accessibility can be built right into the OS at a cost which
doesn't break the bank.
   There are lots of things like business philosophy and approach to working
with developers which influence how accessible things were and shall be.
I'm grateful that Microsoft,  IBM, and some third party companies  made it
possible for me to make a good living and program computers for 25 years. I
am sorry Apple wasn't in there effectively innovating way back then.
   Even now, the issue of refunds would not be such a hot one if most of the
apps in Apple's marketplace worked well with VO.  That marketplace is
controlled by Apple and they have chosen to encourage developer
participation with accessibility as a desirable option but not a
requirement.  Since they control the marketplace, they do have some
responsibility for the products they sell.  I think they have made a
reasonable and decent choice to quietly give refunds but not complicate
their lives by publicizing it.  If they made it public and official they
would face the choice of being open to a lot of fraudulent requests or take
on the administrative cost of requiring us to prove our eligibility for such
refunds.  In none of this do I see any moral issue either good or bad.  It
does, I am sure, frustrate those who like things consistent and clear cut.
I personally like fuzzy logic because it allows for people to be treated as
people rather than rules to be kept or broken.  It does complicate the lives
of customer service employees quite a bit though.
However you look at it we are customers not charity cases.  The same is true
of accessibility requirements fostered by the ADA which threatened funding
of purchases from Apple at the turn of the century.  Those purchases were
being made with taxes collected from taxpayers who, in many cases such as
mine, meant a disabled person or one with a disabled family member.
  I am sincerely grateful to Apple for the breakthroughs and innovations on
behalf of their disabled customers and plan to show that with my customer
dollars.  I have no illusions about the situation though.  For instance, the
accessibility of IBook and Kindle on phones and tablets is now being used by
a consortium of EReader developers led by Amazon to justify requesting an
accessibility waiver from ADA for their devices.  

  Once again, thank you for that fascinating review of the background!
There were things in there which are new to me.

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 1:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

This is incorrect. Initial accessibility for the Apple II computer, which
occurred in 1983, was developed by Apple, not a 3rd party vendor. In
addition, ZoomText style screen enlargement was provided on the original Mac
back in 1986. I know because I worked with both products. The initial screen
reader for the Apple II was not very good. The original screen enlargement
for the Mac was better than TSI Vista Screen enlargement for DOS computers.

The first full-fledge screen reader for Apple Mac was developed by Berkeley
Systems in the mid 90's. When Berkeley Systems went out of business because
they did not have enough customer base to meet their expenses around the
turn of the century, the company which bought out their source code let
OutSpoken for Mac die and used some of the OutSpoke

Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Regina Alvarado]

Jumping in here about the bioscanners-fingerprint option. Because the 
possibility of error, I imagine that is why you can also put in a pass code. 
When I finally upgrade, I think I am going to use my little finger for the 
scanner as in my case it is the least likely to have nicks and calluses. NOW 
watch, something will happen to scar my little finger! LOL!

Reggie and Allegra

On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:28 AM, "RobH."  wrote:

Thumbs get used a lot for hammer target practice.
- Original Message - 
From: "Victor Gouveia" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Hi Ricardo,

True, most people don't use their thumbs for Braille reading, but then
there's that silly thing called life that keeps getting in the way of one's
perfectly coiffed digits.

Remember what sets us apart from other animals is the fact that we do have
opposable thumbs, hence we tend to use our thumbs more than any other finger
in our repertoire.

In addition, with us being blind, we use our hands more than most people, so
callouses are pretty much a sure thing for us, regardless of which digit we
use to read Braille.

Of course, you do realize that the "reading Braille" was just an example of
the various things we do with our fingers don't you?

I mean, I wasn't being that obtuse, was I?  Smiles.


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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Bill Holton]

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

Scott Rumery
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Re: verizon nfl mobile

[Fred Olver]

Yes there is a charge to use audio pass. You have to have an account on 
nfl.com to use the app. go to nfl.com and type in audio pass as a search 
term.



Fred Olver



Author of Dealing with Vision Loss



have a look it just makes sense.

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com






- Original Message - 
From: "Larry McCreary" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:26 AM
Subject: verizon nfl mobile


Hello,
I installed nfl mobile in my verizon iphone 4s and can't get it to work.  I 
have sent the text message to verify the account and it has been recognized. 
I am prompted to sign in or continue.  I open continue and the app closes. 
What do I need to do to correct this problem.  Also is there a charge to use 
this app for audio?

Thanks much.
larry

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New Ipad or Ipod Touch?

[Larry Lumpkin]

Has anyone seen any relia le informatio  on whether or not Apple plans to 
release a new Ipad or Ipod Touch.  I prefer the full-sized ipad.  Thanks.

Sent from my iPad

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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Michael Malver]

For those of us who want to obsessively watch the app store for its release,
what was the bard app  named?


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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:15 AM
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Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

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From: Bill Holton
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Wayne gmail]

Oh the doubting Thomas!!   Thanks for finding the bugs so we
don't have to!  The demo of the early version Jane did a few months ago were
very encouraging.  I'm looking forward to it.

Regards,
Wayne

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Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android version 
of the app to be completed?

Ricardo Walker
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Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
> would have released them both at the same time.
> Original message:
>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
>> is over and the app has been submitted.
> 
> 
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> 
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
>> for it.
> 
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

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Okay that is such awesome news. I can't wait to give it a try.

Scott
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> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
> is over and the app has been submitted.
> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[John Diakogeorgiou]

That is great news. Thanks for the info.

On 9/13/13, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> Okay that is such awesome news. I can't wait to give it a try.
>
> Scott
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:03 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
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>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
>> beta
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>>
>>
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>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>> time
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>>
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Mike Arrigo]

Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish 
they would have released them both at the same time.

Original message:

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.




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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.



Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:



The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.



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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Russ Kiehne]

Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

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On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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nfl mobile app

[Larry McCreary]

Is the nil app audio available to version customer?  I thought it is from the 
info I have seen here.  I have installed the app what do I need to do to get 
live audio broadcast?
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Re: Camera Pixels was: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

I was not disagreeing with what you said at all.  I was just saying that 
many people expected the 5S would have a 12 mega pixel camera.  As we now 
know, it doesn't.  It has an 8.  To be honest with you, using the camera to 
take pictures that I can see anyway is low on my list of priorities.  I 
mainly see it as a camera to be used for OCR.  If I offended you in any way, 
please accept my humble apologies.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Joanne Chua" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Camera Pixels was: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


the 12mp example i used is for explainatory purposes only. In fact, i
stated very clear is 12MP Compact digital camera, not 12mp iphone
camera.
Photography apps or not does not change the physical hardware of a
piece of hardware. Those are use to enhance the image, it does not
improve the pixels counting.
What i was trying to say is that, it is not just the pixels count for
photographs, it is much more complecated than that.
Why do i know this? As a sami professional photographer, and also
having endless contacts that in the professional photography field and
graphic pre-press field, i think, i do understand a little as to how
cameras work.

On 13/09/2013, Alan Paganelli  wrote:

The new 5S has an 8 mega pixel camera not the 12 mega pixels some believed
however, with the faster processor and a much better lens for the camera,
pictures should greatly improve.  There are no end of photography apps in
the app store.  iPhone Life or at least the iPhone life app often mentions
such apps and add on lenses and other photography add ons.
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- Original Message -
From: "Joanne Chua" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:38 PM
Subject: Camera Pixels was: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Yes indeed, the number of pixels for a camera does not determine the 
quality


of the picture. Usually photographers needs big number of pixels for 
future


post photo use, such as blow it up in a wide print format,, photoshop and
other post photo pre preint purposes.
In fact, for an untrain user, nwhen you view on screen with a pare of aked
eye, if you compare a photo that take with the same spec of camera, that 
one


stand 12MP and another stand 20MP, with the same environment and setting,
one cannot easily tell which is which, unless you blow both photo up to 
say


A3 size or such.
Lots of professional photographer will agree that even a camera that could
have 41mp such as the latest lumia, but the quality of the camera lance is
not good enough or strong enough for any quality use. a compact digital
camera that is say, 16mp or 21mp "mp as mega pixels".
For a normal consumer they might think 41mp camera is a "wow" factor, but
41mp photo will take up to hundrets mb memory for one photo.
Now, the quality of lance will be all together another matter. If you 
buying


a camera, when you choose against a 16MP compact digital camera, or a 8MP
DSLR (Single Lance Reflects), most professional photographer will choose 
the


8MP DSLR. Reason behind is because of the quality of the lance, although 
you


may suffer from less pixels, but the clarity of the image will be grater
than the 16mp compack digital camera. One good camera lance could cost 
more


than thousands US$, and this simply can't be replace by a compack digital
camera, or even a 41mp camera phone.



Joanne Chua
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On 11/09/2013, at 23:00, John Diakogeorgiou  
wrote:



The number of megapixels in a camera is not the deciding factor as to
the quality of the picture. How the software renders the picture is
also very important. I was listening to cnet tv yesterday and they
specifically commented on how the pictures coming from the Apple
camera looks better than any other phone regardless of the number of
pixels.

On 9/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



As always a well written and complete overview. I am also still on a 4S
and
feel much the same 

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Bill Holton]

BARD Mobile


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Malver
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 11:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

For those of us who want to obsessively watch the app store for its release,
what was the bard app  named?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Holton
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Re: Journaling Food App

[Traci Duncan]

2 apps I recommend you look at further are:
Fooducate, there is a free & paid version.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fooducate-diet-tracker-healthy/id398436747?mt=8

My Fitness Pal
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/calorie-counter-diet-tracker/id341232718?mt=8

I like both of these apps for different reasons.  I use Fooducate mostly to 
look up foods, find out the nutrition & serving size, and the points.  If I 
remember correctly, I preferred my fitness pal for tracking my daily food & 
drink intake.  Say for example, one of your favorite lunches is a turkey 
sandwich on whole wheat, serving of chips, and an apple.  You can enter all 
that in once, then save it as a meal.  If you eat that meal again, you only 
need to tap the meal instead of adding all the items again.

Both apps have a barcode scanner, which I've had good success with.

Good luck on your healthy journey.
Traci
On Sep 12, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Candie Stiles  wrote:

> Tap and Track is also a very good and accessible app for keeping track of the 
> verious foods and calories you consume.
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:25 PM, CD  wrote:
> 
>> I’m going to be working with a nutritionist. Is there an accessible app out 
>> there where I can journal my food intake daily?  Thanks!
>>  
>> Carla
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Re: verizon nfl mobile

[Christopher Chaltain]

You can sign up for and use NFL Audio Pass by just going to 
nfl.com/audiopass.


I'm not a Verizon customer myself, but I don't think Verizon customers 
need to sign up for audio Pass in order to get games streamed to their 
phones.


On 09/13/2013 10:03 AM, Fred Olver wrote:

Yes there is a charge to use audio pass. You have to have an account on
nfl.com to use the app. go to nfl.com and type in audio pass as a search
term.


Fred Olver



Author of Dealing with Vision Loss



have a look it just makes sense.

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com






- Original Message - From: "Larry McCreary"

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:26 AM
Subject: verizon nfl mobile


Hello,
I installed nfl mobile in my verizon iphone 4s and can't get it to
work.  I have sent the text message to verify the account and it has
been recognized. I am prompted to sign in or continue.  I open continue
and the app closes. What do I need to do to correct this problem.  Also
is there a charge to use this app for audio?
Thanks much.
larry



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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Yup.  I definitely here yah.  But, maybe that’ just wasn’t practical for any 
number of reasons.  Lack of funding, development setbacks, etc.

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On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying that 
> iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS would have put 
> the resources and schedules in place so that they'd   both be ready at 
> the same time.
> 
> On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android 
>> version of the app to be completed?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
>>> would have released them both at the same time.
>>> Original message:
 I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
 is over and the app has been submitted.
>>> 
>>> 
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 Of Scott Rumery
 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
 How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
 know
 that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
 for it.
>>> 
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Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, so you are saying that the screen reader Text Talker which used the 
Echo synthesizer was developed by Apple? That's not how I remember my 
history. I don't know about the other points you mentioned because I was 
a kid in the 80s, but I specifically remember using Text Talker with 
Echo in the mid-80s. As far as I know, that wasn't developed by Apple.


but what does it matter really on who is right or who isn't. It has no 
direct relation to the purpose of the list.



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On 9/13/2013 1:14 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

This is incorrect. Initial accessibility for the Apple II computer, which 
occurred in 1983, was developed by Apple, not a 3rd party vendor. In addition, 
ZoomText style screen enlargement was provided on the original Mac back in 
1986. I know because I worked with both products. The initial screen reader for 
the Apple II was not very good. The original screen enlargement for the Mac was 
better than TSI Vista Screen enlargement for DOS computers.

The first full-fledge screen reader for Apple Mac was developed by Berkeley 
Systems in the mid 90's. When Berkeley Systems went out of business because 
they did not have enough customer base to meet their expenses around the turn 
of the century, the company which bought out their source code let OutSpoken 
for Mac die and used some of the OutSpoken for Windows code in their own screen 
reader. I currently do not remember which company this was.

After Berkeley Systems folded, Apple approached screen reader developers to see 
if any of them would develop a new screen reader for the Mac. In fact, Apple 
worked closely with Berkeley Systems on OutSpoken for Mac. I know this because 
a cousin was an independent consultant for Apple who was assigned to work with 
Berkeley Systems on trouble-shooting difficulties for several months in the mid 
90's. During this time, Apple paid his consulting fees.

After screen reader developers, including Freedom Scientific, turned Apple 
down, Apple took screen reader development in-house in 2003 and released the 
initial iteration of VoiceOver with OSX Tiger in 2005. This means, Apple's 
initial screen reader development from concept design to roll-out took around 
two years.

It must be noted that Apple was notified by US Federal Purchasing (I do not remember which specific department, but suspect it may have been Dept of Education), that federal funds would no longer be able to be spent on Apple computers if Apple did not have minimum screen reader access. To my best understanding, this notification was made in 2001 or 2002. It was during the time after OutSpoken for Mac was discontinued, and may have been the impetus encouraging Apple to approach Windows screen reader developers. However, given that Apple has always had a commitment to disability access, as proven by their initial basic screen reader in the Apple II and their screen enlargement in the early Mac, and by the fact that they paid my cousin's developer consultation fees in the mid 90's to do work with Berkeley Systems, I am not convinced that the US Federal Purchasing being threatened to be ended was what caused Apple to jump so fully onto the accessibility bandwagon. Besides, only basic 

access is required by the Federal Government. Also, it was a known fact, and 
fairly well researched and proven, that blind people could not successfully, 
independently, and completely effectively, utilise a purely touchscreen device. 
In fact, a Google-based researcher was attempting to get Apple to work with him 
on developing a tactile overlay to help blind people use the original iPhone, 
and was not happy with Apple because they refused to work with him.


Apple revolutionised everyone's understanding of what was possible with 
touchscreen access when they released iPhone 3GS with full VO integration in 
2009. Academic researchers were caught completely by surprise. Peer-reviewed, 
high-end, academic research around factors of successful touchscreen access for 
the blind do not appear in the research journals (touch input with audio 
output) until late 2010. This indicates such research was not designed or 
started until after the iPhone 3GS.

Therefore, the facts do not support the assertion that Apple only became 
focused on accessibility after forced to do so by the federal purchasing under 
accessibility legislation.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Christopher Chaltain]

My recollection of the mid 80's was that 3rd party applications, from 
companies like Raised Dot Computing and The American Printing House for 
the Blind, were necessary for a blind person to use an Apple II. In 
doing a bit of research on the web, I found the page 
http://codi.tamucc.edu/archives/computing/.lazzaro.htm where it syas


Apple II was one of the first computers to become popular among the blind
because of the inexpensive Textalker screen reader and Echo II synthesizer
(see "The Search For Speech," December 1984 BYTE, page A48). But the Apple
II couldn't make off-the-shelf software talk, because it couldn't run two
programs at the same time; it could use only software that had speech
ability written in. Microtalk and GW Micro offer specially written, talking
Apple application programs, as does the American Printing House for the
Blind.

Also, the page at http://www2.edc.org/ncip/library/vi/speech.htm 
summarizes access technologies, but doesn't mention anything developed 
by Apple in the early 80's.


Prior to Apple starting to develop VoiceOver in house, Apple didn't 
demonstrate any more commitment to accessibility than any other company 
at the time, such as Microsoft.


There was nothing in this thread as to why Apple became so committed to 
accessibility a little over a decade ago, so I'm not sure why you felt 
so compelled to refute the assertion that this was a result of pressure 
from the federal government.


I don't know what compelled Apple to embrace accessibility across their 
product line. The time line you present below seems to indicate that it 
was at least in part due to the enforcement of federal purchasing 
requirements, but regardless, Apple has gone far beyond any legislative 
requirements and started this with their existing product lines, which 
did not have any built in accessibility. As I said, I think this makes 
Apple's story even more praise worthy.


On 09/13/2013 01:14 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

This is incorrect. Initial accessibility for the Apple II computer, which 
occurred in 1983, was developed by Apple, not a 3rd party vendor. In addition, 
ZoomText style screen enlargement was provided on the original Mac back in 
1986. I know because I worked with both products. The initial screen reader for 
the Apple II was not very good. The original screen enlargement for the Mac was 
better than TSI Vista Screen enlargement for DOS computers.

The first full-fledge screen reader for Apple Mac was developed by Berkeley 
Systems in the mid 90's. When Berkeley Systems went out of business because 
they did not have enough customer base to meet their expenses around the turn 
of the century, the company which bought out their source code let OutSpoken 
for Mac die and used some of the OutSpoken for Windows code in their own screen 
reader. I currently do not remember which company this was.

After Berkeley Systems folded, Apple approached screen reader developers to see 
if any of them would develop a new screen reader for the Mac. In fact, Apple 
worked closely with Berkeley Systems on OutSpoken for Mac. I know this because 
a cousin was an independent consultant for Apple who was assigned to work with 
Berkeley Systems on trouble-shooting difficulties for several months in the mid 
90's. During this time, Apple paid his consulting fees.

After screen reader developers, including Freedom Scientific, turned Apple 
down, Apple took screen reader development in-house in 2003 and released the 
initial iteration of VoiceOver with OSX Tiger in 2005. This means, Apple's 
initial screen reader development from concept design to roll-out took around 
two years.

It must be noted that Apple was notified by US Federal Purchasing (I do not 
remember which specific department, but suspect it may have been Dept of 
Education), that federal funds would no longer be able to be spent on Apple 
computers if Apple did not have minimum screen reader access. To my best 
understanding, this notification was made in 2001 or 2002. It was during the 
time after OutSpoken for Mac was discontinued, and may have been the impetus 
encouraging Apple to approach Windows screen reader developers. However, given 
that Apple has always had a commitment to disability access, as proven by their 
initial basic screen reader in the Apple II and their screen enlargement in the 
early Mac, and by the fact that they paid my cousin's developer consultation 
fees in the mid 90's to do work with Berkeley Systems, I am not convinced that 
the US Federal Purchasing being threatened to be ended was what caused Apple to 
jump so fully onto the accessibility bandwagon. Besides, only basic ac

cess is required by the Federal Government. Also, it was a known fact, and 
fairly well researched and proven, that blind people could not successfully, 
independently, and completely effectively, utilise a purely touchscreen device. 
In fact, a Google-based researcher was attempting to get Apple to work with him 
on developin

Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Chuck Dean]

Please, let's not turn this into a long drawnout discussion And clog 
everybody's inboxes. Anything said here is just going to be supposition, and 
not productive

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yup.  I definitely here yah.  But, maybe that’ just wasn’t practical for any 
> number of reasons.  Lack of funding, development setbacks, etc.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
>> I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying 
>> that iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS would 
>> have put the resources and schedules in place so that they'dboth be 
>> ready at the same time.
>> 
>> On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android 
>>> version of the app to be completed?
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
 Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
 would have released them both at the same time.
 Original message:
> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
> is over and the app has been submitted.
 
 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
 
> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
> know
> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
> for it.
 
> Scott Rumery
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
 
>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
 
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Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

Inside my OCR folder, I have 11 apps.  In an effort to clean up my iPhone a 
bit, could the group offer up their summery on the following apps.

I’ll first list the 2 I use more frequently.
Prizmo
TapTapSee

I occasionally use:
RedLaser
VizWiz
Reviews, (use to be Consmer.)

Here are the apps I’ve used very little, so don’t really know if they are worth 
keeping.

DocScanner
ImageToText
Color ID
SayText
Recognizer, (regret this app big time)
Perfect OCR


So, my thought was, there are some of you that probably have far more useable 
experience with these apps, and you may be able to advice me on keep or discard.

Thanks for your help, :)
Traci

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Anthony Vece]

Hi Alan;

I had an iPhone 4S.

Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 12, 2013, at 3:53 PM, "Alan Paganelli"  
wrote:

> That's interesting you saying you have an iPhone 5 and you said you should of 
> stuck with the iPhone 4.  May I ask what makes you say that?
> ---
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! Move 
> out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Anthony Vece" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
> 
> 
> Hi Chris;
> 
> I have the 5 with Verizon and, i'm staying put also.
> 
> Now that I look back on it I should have stayed with the 4.
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
> 
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
>> I'm sticking with my 4S for now. Maybe I'll be tempted to upgrade before the 
>> next iPhone comes out, but I'm not unhappy with my iPhone 4S, and I don't 
>> see anything in the 5S right now that compels me to upgrade. I don't see 
>> this as a failing of Apple, and I'm not passing judgment on anyone who does 
>> choose to upgrade. The 4S just meets my needs right now, and I personally 
>> don't see a reason to spend the money to get a 5S.
>> 
>> On 09/11/2013 05:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
>>> You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it
>>> were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going
>>> from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>> 
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>> 
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>>> my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Tess" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C
>>> 
>>> 
 I am torn myself.
 I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if
 it is
 really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year or so
 and see if something else comes afloat.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Rick Alfaro
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C
 
 Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those of us
 that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their
 carrier of
 choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
 improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for one and
 would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm definitely
 going
 for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that
 there's
 no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
 thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy
 lines at
 the retail stores.
 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Rick Alfaro
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Raul A. Gallegos
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
 
 Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last
 year
 and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to upgrade. Not
 only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences
 between
 4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to me and I'll be getting
 this one. I'm looking forward to the new 64-bit chip and a better camera.
 The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.
 
 --
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 I didn't slap you, I simply high fived your face. - Sheldon Cooper
 Twitter
 and Facebook user ID: rau47
 
 On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
> The 5c is the same internally as the 5. The only difference is that
> the 5c
 has a plastic back and comes in different colours. The 5s, on the other
 hand, has several upgrades. The 

storing folders from an sd card on my phone

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi everyone. My braille note MPower has officially died. Here's my question. I 
have a bunch of folders on an sd card that I use regularly. I'd like to see if 
I can upload those folders on to my phone. They are word documents, and some 
are Spanish. What app can I use for storing? I want to use them with my braille 
display. Thanks! 


Rebecca and Zeb
email: rilni...@gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/rebeccai5
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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Mike Reiser]

Developers have to support at least a couple of versions of ios and thus 
different screen sizes of the iPhone. Seems like that's fragmentation to me but 
I don't know. 

Twitter michaelsreiser

Skype michael-rei...@comcast.net

Facebook mikereiser08@gmail.netSent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> Just out of curiocity, can you explain your statement "While fragmentation
> is a bit of a problem on iOS, it's not nearly as bad".
> 
> Thanks,
> Sieghard
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Reiser
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
> 
> I certainly will be upgrading to the five S.  I was considering switching to
> android, but I don't trust Google when it comes to universal design. Plus
> the ecosystem is just too fragmented. While fragmentation is a bit of a
> problem on iOS, it's not nearly as bad. I have a for S, and really want to
> take advantage of the fingerprint reader. Plus my screen is misinterpreting
> taps to mean two figner double taps. I'm pretty much broke at this point, so
> won't be upgrading until the first of next month when I get my check, but I
> definitely plan to do it then.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Twitter michaelsreiser
> 
> Skype michael-rei...@comcast.net
> 
> Facebook mikereiser08@gmail.netSent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:30 AM, John Diakogeorgiou 
> wrote:
> 
>> The number of megapixels in a camera is not the deciding factor as to 
>> the quality of the picture. How the software renders the picture is 
>> also very important. I was listening to cnet tv yesterday and they 
>> specifically commented on how the pictures coming from the Apple 
>> camera looks better than any other phone regardless of the number of 
>> pixels.
>> 
>> On 9/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As always a well written and complete overview. I am also still on a 
>>> 4S and feel much the same as you. There may yet be few uses of NFC 
>>> here in North America, but they are slowly increasing and once Apple 
>>> puts a NFC chip in the iPhone this could give the technology a bit of 
>>> a boost although I also feel there are still security volnerabilities 
>>> which need to be addressed before I’d trust it completely.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is interesting how Apple often introduces something new and how 
>>> then said feature or technological advance is played down by the 
>>> media. Then within a year or so Android and others quietly come out 
>>> with their version of same feature/technology. I think SIRI was a 
>>> good example for this and I would be very surprised if we didn’t see 
>>> high-end Android phones suddenly having fingerprint sensors very 
>>> soon. Just as SIRI was a big incentive for me to upgrade, Touch ID is 
>>> probably at the top of the list for me this time along with the 
>>> faster performance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I believe the iPhone 5C and 5S will be extremely successful for Apple 
>>> once again just as the 5 was which nobody really thought. With the 4S 
>>> Apple put out a true world phone and I feel that this is more true 
>>> for the 5C and 5S again as it was for the iPhone 5 last year. 
>>> Furthermore, there are a lot of iPhone 4 and 4S and even some 3GS 
>>> users out there who I think will most definitely upgrade. These 
>>> people especially if they come from the 3GS or 4 will be extremely 
>>> happy with how fast the iPhone will be and with the quality of the
> pictures.
>>> 
>>> The Nokia Lumia 1020 may have a 41 Megapixel camera and by a few 
>>> might be touted as the gold standard in camera phones, but it would 
>>> be interesting to read an objective review and comparison of the 2 in 
>>> terms of picture quality and camera features.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After everything is said and done I will most likely upgrade although 
>>> it is a bit disappointing that I will have to wait for the initial 
>>> in-store release to order my shiny new 5S since Apple is not offering 
>>> 5S preorders and I live in a very small and remote community where 
>>> the closest Apple Store is in Vancouver which by road is a 12-hour 
>>> drive or a 1.5 hour flight and I don’t want it bad enough to fly to 
>>> Vancouver to stand in line on Friday morning next week!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The iPhone 5s now has jitter protection, Apple specifically mentions 
>>> this on its site, saying that it helps people with unsteady hands 
>>> when taking pictures. The bunch of camera features taken together 
>>> really sound like they could represent an improvement.
>>> 
>

Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

[Michael Capelle]

to my knowledge, no.

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Alfaro

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Siri in iOS 7

Any idea if that new male voice will also be available for use with VO? I
would assume so but you know what can happen with assumptions. (smile)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Siri in iOS 7

Hi Alan,

The new mal e SIRI voice is an iOS 7 feature and will be available on any
device which has SIRI.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

According to yesterdays presentation, he said "we have created a new voice
for siri and then let us hear a short bit of speech from both voices.  They
did not sound like any I have heard before so I can only assume they are
totally new.  We'll have until at least next weekend to find out when
somebody on the list is lucky enough to lay hands on a 5S.  I wouldn't want
to be a worker at an Apple or AT&T store this weekend.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Eubank" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Question about Siri in iOS 7


I just had a quick question for anyone who may be able to answer it. I just
downloaded vocalizer expressive for my screen reader last night. When I
listened to both Tom and Samantha who I thought we're going to be the new
voices for Siri and iOS 7 what I was hearing did not seem to match what I
heard from Siri during the Apple keynote from yesterday or the WWDC event in

June. Now, when I say Samantha, I mean the improved female voice. To me it
sounds like an improved version of Samantha but the Samantha that I have a
vocalizer expensive sounds just the same as before. And Tom doesn't match
the mail voice either. So I just wondered And sorry that was supposed to say

the Samantha that is in vocalizer expressive. Also, again, the mail voice
shown during the presentation from Apple does not match Tom's voice either.
So I'm confused I don't understand what's going on. Is Apple not using the
vocalizer expressive voices anymore? Thanks a lot

Sent from my iPhone

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downgrading i-OS

[Rami]

Hello
as we already know, i-OS 7 will be out next weak. i actually intend to 
upgrade, but i heard that apple changed the voices. in case the Arabic 
voice was not as good as the current one, will there be a way for me to 
downgrade to 6.1.3 again? if yes, how can i do this?

thanks in advance.

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RE: Journaling Food App

[CD]

Yeah I just want a tracker probably not as indepth as MyFitnessPal.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jennie Facer
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Journaling Food App

 

Lumen trails has a calorie intake category.

 

Jenn

 

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of CD
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Journaling Food App

 

I'm going to be working with a nutritionist. Is there an accessible app out
there where I can journal my food intake daily?  Thanks!

 

Carla

 

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Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Joseph FreeTech]

Hi Tracy,

Since each of these apps can be used for different purposes, how about you 
specify what it is you intend to do with the apps you intend to keep. 
.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Traci Duncan" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps


Hi all,

Inside my OCR folder, I have 11 apps.  In an effort to clean up my iPhone a 
bit, could the group offer up their summery on the following apps.

I’ll first list the 2 I use more frequently.
Prizmo
TapTapSee

I occasionally use:
RedLaser
VizWiz
Reviews, (use to be Consmer.)

Here are the apps I’ve used very little, so don’t really know if they are 
worth keeping.

DocScanner
ImageToText
Color ID
SayText
Recognizer, (regret this app big time)
Perfect OCR


So, my thought was, there are some of you that probably have far more 
useable experience with these apps, and you may be able to advice me on keep 
or discard.

Thanks for your help, :)
Traci

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RE: playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Terrie Terlau]

Ricardo,
Do you know if this procedure will work on iTunes on the PC? I rather think
not, but am checking just in case.
Thanks.
Terrie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:31 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

Hi,

This is pretty straight forward.  Just turn on iTunes homesharing on your
Mac in iTunes and on your IOS device in settings/ music.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

> Hi,
> I wish to use my iTunes library on my Mac.
> Thanks,
> Max.
> 
> On 13/09/2013, at 2:11 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it is.
>> 
>> Where do you want to get your music from?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:55 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
>>> Thanks for any advice.
>>> Max.
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Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Isaac Hebert]

Tap Tap is a great app for OCR. Vizwiz is also a great app for OCR.
The red of the apps you mentioned you can remove.

On 9/13/13, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
> Hi Tracy,
>
> Since each of these apps can be used for different purposes, how about you
> specify what it is you intend to do with the apps you intend to keep.
> .
>
> Joseph
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Traci Duncan" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:43 AM
> Subject: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Inside my OCR folder, I have 11 apps.  In an effort to clean up my iPhone a
>
> bit, could the group offer up their summery on the following apps.
>
> I’ll first list the 2 I use more frequently.
> Prizmo
> TapTapSee
>
> I occasionally use:
> RedLaser
> VizWiz
> Reviews, (use to be Consmer.)
>
> Here are the apps I’ve used very little, so don’t really know if they are
> worth keeping.
>
> DocScanner
> ImageToText
> Color ID
> SayText
> Recognizer, (regret this app big time)
> Perfect OCR
>
>
> So, my thought was, there are some of you that probably have far more
> useable experience with these apps, and you may be able to advice me on keep
>
> or discard.
>
> Thanks for your help, :)
> Traci
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[John Diakogeorgiou]

How long does it usually take for an app which is submitted to become
available? Also was it tested with IOS7?

On 9/13/13, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android
> version of the app to be completed?
>
> Ricardo Walker
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> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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>> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they
>> would have released them both at the same time.
>> Original message:
>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
>>> beta
>>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>>
>>
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>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
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>>> Of Scott Rumery
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>>> know
>>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>>> time
>>> for it.
>>
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>
 The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Richard Ring]

One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more blind 
iOS users than android users.

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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
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> Original message:
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>> is over and the app has been submitted.
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Scott Rumery
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
>> for it.
> 
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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problem using nfl mobile

[john riehl]

Iam new to the list. I downloaded NFL Mobile. I'm a Verizon customer, not an
NFL pass owner. After going through the sign-in process I got into the app
but had trouble finding the games. Many of the buttons didn't seem to be
labeled. Can someone give me a tip on how to access the actual games using
NFL Mobile?  Thanks. 

PS There were several apps; I chose the first one that came up on the list,
which says it was produced by the NFL. 

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Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

[Anthony Vece]

Hey Alan;

Don't forget about VERIZON.

Anthony



Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:15 PM, "Alan Paganelli"  
wrote:

> According to yesterdays presentation, he said "we have created a new voice 
> for siri and then let us hear a short bit of speech from both voices.  They 
> did not sound like any I have heard before so I can only assume they are 
> totally new.  We'll have until at least next weekend to find out when 
> somebody on the list is lucky enough to lay hands on a 5S.  I wouldn't want 
> to be a worker at an Apple or AT&T store this weekend.
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> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! Move 
> out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
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> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
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> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Josh Eubank" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 PM
> Subject: Question about Siri in iOS 7
> 
> 
> I just had a quick question for anyone who may be able to answer it. I just 
> downloaded vocalizer expressive for my screen reader last night. When I 
> listened to both Tom and Samantha who I thought we're going to be the new 
> voices for Siri and iOS 7 what I was hearing did not seem to match what I 
> heard from Siri during the Apple keynote from yesterday or the WWDC event in 
> June. Now, when I say Samantha, I mean the improved female voice. To me it 
> sounds like an improved version of Samantha but the Samantha that I have a 
> vocalizer expensive sounds just the same as before. And Tom doesn't match the 
> mail voice either. So I just wondered And sorry that was supposed to say the 
> Samantha that is in vocalizer expressive. Also, again, the mail voice shown 
> during the presentation from Apple does not match Tom's voice either. So I'm 
> confused I don't understand what's going on. Is Apple not using the vocalizer 
> expressive voices anymore? Thanks a lot
> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Christopher Chaltain]

There are also those apps which are only available on Android and come 
out for Android first. I don't have any examples in mind, other than say 
Google, but I know they've been discussed on several lists as iPhone 
users have had to wait for apps that Android users already had access to.


I don't know the results of the survey you're referring to, but I 
suspect you're right. Given how recent the survey was though, I doubt it 
had any impact on the release schedule for the NLS app.


On 09/13/2013 01:12 PM, Scott Davert wrote:

HI.
Sorry, but those choosing to run Android must accept the fact of doing
so that it sometimes results in apps not being as readily available. I
understand the frustration since I'm a braille user and braille is
always a lower priority than speech support for apps. Which is why I
cannot choose Android at this time because of the lack of said braille
support. You may recall that they did a survey asking patrons this
question, what would they use the app on? My guess, and this is all it
is, would be that the majority of respondents said they would use it
on iDevices, so they took that approach. I do agree, why should they
wait to release on both platforms at the same time? There are other
devs who choose Android first, and that's their right.
As to the other questions in this thread, Neil Bernstein estimated it
could take up to 2 weeks given the fact that there are so many updates
coming out right now with the release of iOS 7 pending. . I know it
was at least tested with one iOS 7 device.

HTH,
Scott

On 9/13/13, Chuck Dean  wrote:

Please, let's not turn this into a long drawnout discussion And clog
everybody's inboxes. Anything said here is just going to be supposition, and
not productive

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hi,

Yup.  I definitely here yah.  But, maybe that’ just wasn’t practical for
any number of reasons.  Lack of funding, development setbacks, etc.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:


I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying
that iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS would
have put the resources and schedules in place so that they'dboth be
ready at the same time.

On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android
version of the app to be completed?

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish
they would have released them both at the same time.
Original message:

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
beta
is over and the app has been submitted.




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Of Scott Rumery
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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because
I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
time
for it.



Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton 
wrote:



The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.



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Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Fred Olver]

recognizer was not supposed to be an OCR app. It was to be able to recognize 
items, you take a pic of something, put an audible label with it and the next 
time the app sees the item it will tell you what you recorded for it.
Fred Olver 

 

Author of Dealing with Vision Loss  

 

have a look it just makes sense. 

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com

 

 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Traci Duncan 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:43 PM
  Subject: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps


  Hi all,




  Inside my OCR folder, I have 11 apps.  In an effort to clean up my iPhone a 
bit, could the group offer up their summery on the following apps.




  I’ll first list the 2 I use more frequently.

  Prizmo

  TapTapSee




  I occasionally use:

  RedLaser

  VizWiz

  Reviews, (use to be Consmer.)




  Here are the apps I’ve used very little, so don’t really know if they are 
worth keeping.




  DocScanner

  ImageToText

  Color ID

  SayText

  Recognizer, (regret this app big time)

  Perfect OCR







  So, my thought was, there are some of you that probably have far more useable 
experience with these apps, and you may be able to advice me on keep or discard.




  Thanks for your help, :)

  Traci


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Re: verizon nfl mobile

[Chris Chaffin]

The only thing I can think of is that it might require you to have a NFL 
account on their web site.
I do not know this for certain, just guessing based on what you said in your 
message.


But it does not cost to have an account on the NFL site.
That way you could tap the sign in button and not the continue button.

Just a thought.

Chris


-Original Message- 
From: Les Kriegler

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: verizon nfl mobile

Larry, I have the exact same problem as you. I installed mobile last 
evening, and I cannot get it to work either. Every time I try to activate a 
stream, I get an air message. So I'm not certain where to go either.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Larry McCreary  
wrote:



Hello,
I installed nfl mobile in my verizon iphone 4s and can't get it to work. 
I have sent the text message to verify the account and it has been 
recognized.  I am prompted to sign in or continue.  I open continue and 
the app closes.  What do I need to do to correct this problem.  Also is 
there a charge to use this app for audio?

Thanks much.
larry

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Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Joseph FreeTech]

Actually, neither of these apps are intended to be used for OCR: optical 
character recognition.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Isaac Hebert" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps


Tap Tap is a great app for OCR. Vizwiz is also a great app for OCR.
The red of the apps you mentioned you can remove.

On 9/13/13, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
> Hi Tracy,
>
> Since each of these apps can be used for different purposes, how about you
> specify what it is you intend to do with the apps you intend to keep.
> .
>
> Joseph
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Traci Duncan" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:43 AM
> Subject: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Inside my OCR folder, I have 11 apps.  In an effort to clean up my iPhone 
> a
>
> bit, could the group offer up their summery on the following apps.
>
> I’ll first list the 2 I use more frequently.
> Prizmo
> TapTapSee
>
> I occasionally use:
> RedLaser
> VizWiz
> Reviews, (use to be Consmer.)
>
> Here are the apps I’ve used very little, so don’t really know if they are
> worth keeping.
>
> DocScanner
> ImageToText
> Color ID
> SayText
> Recognizer, (regret this app big time)
> Perfect OCR
>
>
> So, my thought was, there are some of you that probably have far more
> useable experience with these apps, and you may be able to advice me on 
> keep
>
> or discard.
>
> Thanks for your help, :)
> Traci
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Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

It sure will.  :).  Open iTunes on your PC, enable home sharing, and follow the 
same steps I stated previously on your IOS device.

hth

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On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Terrie Terlau  wrote:

> Ricardo,
> Do you know if this procedure will work on iTunes on the PC? I rather think
> not, but am checking just in case.
> Thanks.
> Terrie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:31 PM
> To: viphone
> Subject: Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is pretty straight forward.  Just turn on iTunes homesharing on your
> Mac in iTunes and on your IOS device in settings/ music.
> 
> hth
> 
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> 
> On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I wish to use my iTunes library on my Mac.
>> Thanks,
>> Max.
>> 
>> On 13/09/2013, at 2:11 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it is.
>>> 
>>> Where do you want to get your music from?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
>>> 
>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:55 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
 Thanks for any advice.
 Max.
 
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Re: MSN accounts and IPhone or IPod?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, just choose a hot mail account set up and it will work. I imagine 
that with the service being called Outlook now, they will update that in 
future iOS releases, but it's Hot mail for now.


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On 9/12/2013 11:46 PM, Jim Portillo wrote:

Hi there,

Does anyone on this list have their I Device set up with an MSN
account?  I gave an IPod to someone, and we’re having a hard time
setting up his email with his msn account.  I was hoping someone could
give me their settings, such as host name, port settings, incoming and
outgoing settings, etc.  We’d appreciate it.

Jim

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

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It lets you listen to National Library Services books on the IPhone.

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Re: downgrading i-OS

[Bill Gallik]

Isn't it possible to save the iPhone backup residing on the computer to a 
designated folder and then move it back into the "official" backup location 
if it is necessary to get back to the current iOS?  That's what I'd try to 
do.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Rami" 

To: 
Cc: "Alan Paganelli" 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:55 PM
Subject: downgrading i-OS



Hello
as we already know, i-OS 7 will be out next weak. i actually intend to 
upgrade, but i heard that apple changed the voices. in case the Arabic 
voice was not as good as the current one, will there be a way for me to 
downgrade to 6.1.3 again? if yes, how can i do this?

thanks in advance.

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

The funny thing is, I always hold my iPhone in my left hand as I'm right 
handed and so I use my iPhone with my right hand.  I never hit the home key 
with my thumb.  I figure, they don't call it a thumb scanner, they call it a 
finger print scanner.   So my thanks to Ricardo for my morning 
chuckle.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Victor Gouveia" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C



Hi Ricardo,

True, most people don't use their thumbs for Braille reading, but then 
there's that silly thing called life that keeps getting in the way of 
one's perfectly coiffed digits.


Remember what sets us apart from other animals is the fact that we do have 
opposable thumbs, hence we tend to use our thumbs more than any other 
finger in our repertoire.


In addition, with us being blind, we use our hands more than most people, 
so callouses are pretty much a sure thing for us, regardless of which 
digit we use to read Braille.


Of course, you do realize that the "reading Braille" was just an example 
of the various things we do with our fingers don't you?


I mean, I wasn't being that obtuse, was I?  Smiles.


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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

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Hi! Sorry to sound so ignorant, but can someone please let us know what this 
app is all about? My curiosity is aroused! :-) (Voice Converted to Text via 
iPhone;Excuse typos) 

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Re: problem using nfl mobile

[Les Kriegler]

This is very helpful. I followed your instructions and actually got a video to 
play when I went to the game Center. I don't expect to see any life e.g. at, as 
the games are not until Sunday. What is interesting is that I contacted 
Verizon, and they would've set me up with a service at five dollars a month. 
They said it was not audio pass, it sounds like they were going to set me up to 
watch the games. I'm not interested in that. So perhaps your instructions will 
finally be the ticket to give me the live broadcast on Sunday.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:15 PM, "Chris Chaffin"  wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> I have found 2 ways of listening to games in the app.
>  
> First way to listen to a game:
>  
> * double tap on the menu button in the top left corner.
> * right flick until you get to teams, and Double tap.
> * Then right flick to the team you want to listen too, and double tap.
> * Then right flick until you come to game center, and double tap.
> * Then there is a listen to audio live button near the bottom of the screen, 
> so you might want to go to the bottom of the screen, and  left flick up until 
> you get to it, then double tap.
> * Most of the time, it then starts playing.
> * But all of the controls are then at the top of the screen.  So then go to 
> the top left, and right flick, and you will find a play button, stop button, 
> a source button, and even a volume control.
>  
> The source button is where you control which team feed you listen too.
> I think the default is the home team, but you can change it to the away team 
> if you like.
> Double tap the source button, then right flick until you get to away and 
> double tap.
>  
>  
> The second way I found to listen to games:
>  
> * Double tap the menu button in the upper left of the screen.
> * Right flick and double tap schedule.
> * I just touch the center of the screen, and it normally puts me in a list of 
> games for that week.  You can right and left flick until you find the game 
> you want.  It also has the time each game starts.
> * So after you find the game you want, just double tap it.
> * Now you will need to find that listen audio live button near the bottom as 
> mentioned above and double tap it.
> * As stated above, it normally automatically starts playing at this time for 
> me, but as mentioned above, the controls are at the top of the screen.  Just 
> go to the upper left and right flick.
>  
> Again, the source button is where you change the team feed you want to listen 
> too.
>  
> I hope this has been helpful.
>  
> Chris Chaffin
>  
> From: john riehl
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: problem using nfl mobile
>  
> Iam new to the list. I downloaded NFL Mobile. I’m a Verizon customer, not an 
> NFL pass owner. After going through the sign-in process I got into the app 
> but had trouble finding the games. Many of the buttons didn’t seem to be 
> labeled. Can someone give me a tip on how to access the actual games using 
> NFL Mobile?  Thanks.
> PS There were several apps; I chose the first one that came up on the list, 
> which says it was produced by the NFL.
> Thanks.
> John riehl
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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

I would like to second that assessment.  I think before we all go off the 
deep end over this finger print scanner thing, let's wait until somebody 
actually gets one before we start going off half cocked with speculation.

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website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "RobH." 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C



Thumbs get used a lot for hammer target practice.
- Original Message - 
From: "Victor Gouveia" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Hi Ricardo,

True, most people don't use their thumbs for Braille reading, but then
there's that silly thing called life that keeps getting in the way of 
one's

perfectly coiffed digits.

Remember what sets us apart from other animals is the fact that we do have
opposable thumbs, hence we tend to use our thumbs more than any other 
finger

in our repertoire.

In addition, with us being blind, we use our hands more than most people, 
so
callouses are pretty much a sure thing for us, regardless of which digit 
we

use to read Braille.

Of course, you do realize that the "reading Braille" was just an example 
of

the various things we do with our fingers don't you?

I mean, I wasn't being that obtuse, was I?  Smiles.


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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Joseph FreeTech]

Bard is the NLS service allowing registered blind users to download recorded 
audio books to one's reading device such as Victor Reader. I'm assuming many 
are excited because this means one will be able to read these books on their 
IOS device. The books are read by actual people and are not necessarily text 
files read by synthetic speech. After today's post, this means we should be 
able to download NLS books by the end of the month.

Joseph

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Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Hi! Sorry to sound so ignorant, but can someone please let us know what this 
app is all about? My curiosity is aroused! :-) (Voice Converted to Text via 
iPhone;Excuse typos)

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Re: downgrading i-OS

[Chris H]

Not at all. Apple usually gives us a week to downgrade after the new Os 
is out before showing it out the door as it were smile.


On 12/09/2013 19:55, Rami wrote:

Hello
as we already know, i-OS 7 will be out next weak. i actually intend to
upgrade, but i heard that apple changed the voices. in case the Arabic
voice was not as good as the current one, will there be a way for me to
downgrade to 6.1.3 again? if yes, how can i do this?
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Re: downgrading i-OS

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, not really, and if you could, not easily.

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On 9/12/2013 1:55 PM, Rami wrote:

Hello
as we already know, i-OS 7 will be out next weak. i actually intend to
upgrade, but i heard that apple changed the voices. in case the Arabic
voice was not as good as the current one, will there be a way for me to
downgrade to 6.1.3 again? if yes, how can i do this?
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Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Fred Olver]

No, it was not developed by Apple, I believe it came from Street 
Electronics, Mike somebody worked on it if I remember correctly.



Fred Olver



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have a look it just makes sense.

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com






- Original Message - 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps


Hi, so you are saying that the screen reader Text Talker which used the
Echo synthesizer was developed by Apple? That's not how I remember my
history. I don't know about the other points you mentioned because I was
a kid in the 80s, but I specifically remember using Text Talker with
Echo in the mid-80s. As far as I know, that wasn't developed by Apple.

but what does it matter really on who is right or who isn't. It has no
direct relation to the purpose of the list.


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On 9/13/2013 1:14 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
This is incorrect. Initial accessibility for the Apple II computer, which 
occurred in 1983, was developed by Apple, not a 3rd party vendor. In 
addition, ZoomText style screen enlargement was provided on the original 
Mac back in 1986. I know because I worked with both products. The initial 
screen reader for the Apple II was not very good. The original screen 
enlargement for the Mac was better than TSI Vista Screen enlargement for 
DOS computers.


The first full-fledge screen reader for Apple Mac was developed by 
Berkeley Systems in the mid 90's. When Berkeley Systems went out of 
business because they did not have enough customer base to meet their 
expenses around the turn of the century, the company which bought out 
their source code let OutSpoken for Mac die and used some of the OutSpoken 
for Windows code in their own screen reader. I currently do not remember 
which company this was.


After Berkeley Systems folded, Apple approached screen reader developers 
to see if any of them would develop a new screen reader for the Mac. In 
fact, Apple worked closely with Berkeley Systems on OutSpoken for Mac. I 
know this because a cousin was an independent consultant for Apple who was 
assigned to work with Berkeley Systems on trouble-shooting difficulties 
for several months in the mid 90's. During this time, Apple paid his 
consulting fees.


After screen reader developers, including Freedom Scientific, turned Apple 
down, Apple took screen reader development in-house in 2003 and released 
the initial iteration of VoiceOver with OSX Tiger in 2005. This means, 
Apple's initial screen reader development from concept design to roll-out 
took around two years.


It must be noted that Apple was notified by US Federal Purchasing (I do 
not remember which specific department, but suspect it may have been Dept 
of Education), that federal funds would no longer be able to be spent on 
Apple computers if Apple did not have minimum screen reader access. To my 
best understanding, this notification was made in 2001 or 2002. It was 
during the time after OutSpoken for Mac was discontinued, and may have 
been the impetus encouraging Apple to approach Windows screen reader 
developers. However, given that Apple has always had a commitment to 
disability access, as proven by their initial basic screen reader in the 
Apple II and their screen enlargement in the early Mac, and by the fact 
that they paid my cousin's developer consultation fees in the mid 90's to 
do work with Berkeley Systems, I am not convinced that the US Federal 
Purchasing being threatened to be ended was what caused Apple to jump so 
fully onto the accessibility bandwagon. Besides, only basic
access is required by the Federal Government. Also, it was a known fact, and 
fairly well researched and proven, that blind people could not successfully, 
independently, and completely effectively, utilise a purely touchscreen 
device. In fact, a Google-based researcher was attempting to get Apple to 
work with him on developing a tactile overlay to help blind people use the 
original iPhone, and was not happy with Apple because they refused to work 
with him.


Apple revolutionised everyone's understanding of what was possible with 
touchscreen access when they released iPhone 3GS with full VO integration 
in 2009. Academic researchers were caught completely by surprise. 
Peer-reviewed, high-end, academic research around factors of successful 
touchscreen access for the blind do not appear in the research journals 
(touch input with audio output) until late 2010. This indicates such 
research was not designed or started until after the iPhone 3GS.


Therefore, the facts do not support the assertion that Apple only became 
focused on accessibility after forced to do so by the federal purchasing 
under accessibility legislation.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Scott Davert]

HI.
Sorry, but those choosing to run Android must accept the fact of doing
so that it sometimes results in apps not being as readily available. I
understand the frustration since I'm a braille user and braille is
always a lower priority than speech support for apps. Which is why I
cannot choose Android at this time because of the lack of said braille
support. You may recall that they did a survey asking patrons this
question, what would they use the app on? My guess, and this is all it
is, would be that the majority of respondents said they would use it
on iDevices, so they took that approach. I do agree, why should they
wait to release on both platforms at the same time? There are other
devs who choose Android first, and that's their right.
As to the other questions in this thread, Neil Bernstein estimated it
could take up to 2 weeks given the fact that there are so many updates
coming out right now with the release of iOS 7 pending. . I know it
was at least tested with one iOS 7 device.

HTH,
Scott

On 9/13/13, Chuck Dean  wrote:
> Please, let's not turn this into a long drawnout discussion And clog
> everybody's inboxes. Anything said here is just going to be supposition, and
> not productive
>
> Chuck (mobile)
> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yup.  I definitely here yah.  But, maybe that’ just wasn’t practical for
>> any number of reasons.  Lack of funding, development setbacks, etc.
>>
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying
>>> that iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS would
>>> have put the resources and schedules in place so that they'dboth be
>>> ready at the same time.
>>>
>>> On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 Hi,

 What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android
 version of the app to be completed?

 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info

 On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish
> they would have released them both at the same time.
> Original message:
>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
>> beta
>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Scott Rumery
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because
>> I know
>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>> time
>> for it.
>
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton 
>> wrote:
>
>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Rick Alfaro]

Same here, I almost always use my index finger for the home button. The only
exception to that is if I have need to use the phone one-handed in which
case I use my left thumb.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

The funny thing is, I always hold my iPhone in my left hand as I'm right
handed and so I use my iPhone with my right hand.  I never hit the home key
with my thumb.  I figure, they don't call it a thumb scanner, they call it a
finger print scanner.   So my thanks to Ricardo for my morning
chuckle.
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- Original Message -
From: "Victor Gouveia" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


> Hi Ricardo,
>
> True, most people don't use their thumbs for Braille reading, but then 
> there's that silly thing called life that keeps getting in the way of 
> one's perfectly coiffed digits.
>
> Remember what sets us apart from other animals is the fact that we do have

> opposable thumbs, hence we tend to use our thumbs more than any other 
> finger in our repertoire.
>
> In addition, with us being blind, we use our hands more than most people, 
> so callouses are pretty much a sure thing for us, regardless of which 
> digit we use to read Braille.
>
> Of course, you do realize that the "reading Braille" was just an example 
> of the various things we do with our fingers don't you?
>
> I mean, I wasn't being that obtuse, was I?  Smiles.
>
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[John Diakogeorgiou]

Yes

On 9/13/13, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
> ---
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>
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>>
>> time for it.
>>
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Rick Alfaro]

It can really vary. From experience I've had beta testing other apps, it can
be as quick as one week but definitely can go longer. With the release of
IOS 7, I would imagine they must be flooded with updates so it wouldn't
surprise me if it took a while.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

any idea how long it takes apple to approve apps?
On 9/13/2013 9:29 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
> That is great news. Thanks for the info.
>
> On 9/13/13, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>> Okay that is such awesome news. I can't wait to give it a try.
>>
>> Scott
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:03 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
>>
>>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that 
>>> the beta is over and the app has been submitted.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Behalf Of Scott Rumery
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news 
>>> because I know that there are a lot of blind people who have been 
>>> waiting a very log time for it.
>>>
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>>
 The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

Thanks!
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- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony Vece" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Hi Alan;

I had an iPhone 4S.

Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 12, 2013, at 3:53 PM, "Alan Paganelli"  
wrote:


That's interesting you saying you have an iPhone 5 and you said you should 
of stuck with the iPhone 4.  May I ask what makes you say that?

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- Original Message - From: "Anthony Vece" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C


Hi Chris;

I have the 5 with Verizon and, i'm staying put also.

Now that I look back on it I should have stayed with the 4.

Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


I'm sticking with my 4S for now. Maybe I'll be tempted to upgrade before 
the next iPhone comes out, but I'm not unhappy with my iPhone 4S, and I 
don't see anything in the 5S right now that compels me to upgrade. I 
don't see this as a failing of Apple, and I'm not passing judgment on 
anyone who does choose to upgrade. The 4S just meets my needs right now, 
and I personally don't see a reason to spend the money to get a 5S.


On 09/11/2013 05:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

You would be going up 2 models.  It probably would be worth it.  If it
were me, and I was going from a 4S to a 5S I'd do it.  Sense I'm going
from a 4 to a 5S I'm for sure going to do it.
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on

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- Original Message - From: "Tess" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C



I am torn myself.
I have the 4S, and waited until this came out, but I am wondering if
it is
really worth spending money for it, or just wait until another year or 
so

and see if something else comes afloat.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

Those are my views as well. This will be a great upgrade for those of 
us

that are on the 4s cycle and eligible for an upgrade with their
carrier of
choice. For those on an iPhone 5, although the 5s has some really nice
improvements, it probably wouldn't be worth paying full price for one 
and

would make more sense waiting a year for the iPhone 6.  I'm definitely
going
for the 5s but I have to admit thatg I'm somewhat disappointed that
there's
no pre-order possible for that model. Not sure but I believe Apple's
thinking behind that is wanting to create more excitement and crazy
lines at
the retail stores.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Hi, these are my thoughts as well. When I got the 4S in February last
year
and then saw the 5 out later that year it wasn't worth it to upgrade. 
Not

only that, but it was too soon money-wise, but with the differences
between
4S and 5S, and the time elapsed, it's worth it to me and I'll be 
getting
this one. I'm looking forward to the new 64-bit chip and a better 
camera.

The fingerprint capabilities is also a nice thing to me.

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On 9/10/2013 10:14 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

The 5c is the same internally as

Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7

[Alan Paganelli]

What about it?  I'm with AT&T.  Am I missing something?
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- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony Vece" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Siri in iOS 7


Hey Alan;

Don't forget about VERIZON.

Anthony



Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:15 PM, "Alan Paganelli"  
wrote:


According to yesterdays presentation, he said "we have created a new voice 
for siri and then let us hear a short bit of speech from both voices. 
They did not sound like any I have heard before so I can only assume they 
are totally new.  We'll have until at least next weekend to find out when 
somebody on the list is lucky enough to lay hands on a 5S.  I wouldn't 
want to be a worker at an Apple or AT&T store this weekend.

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- Original Message - From: "Josh Eubank" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Question about Siri in iOS 7


I just had a quick question for anyone who may be able to answer it. I 
just downloaded vocalizer expressive for my screen reader last night. When 
I listened to both Tom and Samantha who I thought we're going to be the 
new voices for Siri and iOS 7 what I was hearing did not seem to match 
what I heard from Siri during the Apple keynote from yesterday or the WWDC 
event in June. Now, when I say Samantha, I mean the improved female voice. 
To me it sounds like an improved version of Samantha but the Samantha that 
I have a vocalizer expensive sounds just the same as before. And Tom 
doesn't match the mail voice either. So I just wondered And sorry that was 
supposed to say the Samantha that is in vocalizer expressive. Also, again, 
the mail voice shown during the presentation from Apple does not match 
Tom's voice either. So I'm confused I don't understand what's going on. Is 
Apple not using the vocalizer expressive voices anymore? Thanks a lot


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi.

I had great success with Tonido, the set of desktop and IOS apps that
someone had recommended on this list.

I'm sure you may know that the Apple TV does not support DLNA and I was
looking for a solution for being able to access all of my media files on my
NAS without having to add them through iTunes. Tonido did the trick for me.
After installing the desktop app for Windows and going through the setup,
and downloading the IOS app, I'm now able to access my NAS and play to my
Apple TV via AirPlay. Works great.

The desktop program is kind of weird with a screen reader but definitely
usable with some patience and a good knowledge of your screen reader. You
need to use the desktop app to setup your Tonido account and specify which
folders you want to share. Once that's done, you don't have to mess with it
any more.

Just thought I would update the list for anyone wanting to try Tonido.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
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Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:35 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

Hi,

It sure will.  :).  Open iTunes on your PC, enable home sharing, and follow
the same steps I stated previously on your IOS device.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Terrie Terlau  wrote:

> Ricardo,
> Do you know if this procedure will work on iTunes on the PC? I rather 
> think not, but am checking just in case.
> Thanks.
> Terrie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:31 PM
> To: viphone
> Subject: Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is pretty straight forward.  Just turn on iTunes homesharing on 
> your Mac in iTunes and on your IOS device in settings/ music.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I wish to use my iTunes library on my Mac.
>> Thanks,
>> Max.
>> 
>> On 13/09/2013, at 2:11 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it is.
>>> 
>>> Where do you want to get your music from?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!
>>> 
>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:55 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
 Thanks for any advice.
 Max.
 
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Re: downgrading i-OS

[Chris H]

A backup isn't enough I don't think. That will only backup the contacts, 
settings, etc.


On 13/09/2013 19:34, Bill Gallik wrote:

Isn't it possible to save the iPhone backup residing on the computer to
a designated folder and then move it back into the "official" backup
location if it is necessary to get back to the current iOS?  That's what
I'd try to do.

Holland's Boy, Bill
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- Original Message - From: "Rami" 
To: 
Cc: "Alan Paganelli" 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:55 PM
Subject: downgrading i-OS



Hello
as we already know, i-OS 7 will be out next weak. i actually intend to
upgrade, but i heard that apple changed the voices. in case the Arabic
voice was not as good as the current one, will there be a way for me
to downgrade to 6.1.3 again? if yes, how can i do this?
thanks in advance.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

any idea how long it takes apple to approve apps?
On 9/13/2013 9:29 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

That is great news. Thanks for the info.

On 9/13/13, Scott Rumery  wrote:

Okay that is such awesome news. I can't wait to give it a try.

Scott
On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:03 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:


I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
time
for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't want to put words in Mike's mouth, but I suspect he isn't saying 
that iPhone users should have been made to wait but rather that NLS 
would have put the resources and schedules in place so that they'd 	both 
be ready at the same time.


On 09/13/2013 11:38 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

What would have been the point of having IOS users wait for an Android version 
of the app to be completed?

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish they 
would have released them both at the same time.
Original message:

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.




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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.



Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:



The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.



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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Alan Paganelli]

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you 
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?

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- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log 
time for it.


Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Rick Alfaro]

Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
---

Regards,

Alan

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- Original Message -
From: "Scott Rumery" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log

> time for it.
>
> Scott Rumery
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>
>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[John Diakogeorgiou]

That was already asked and answered in the thread.

On 9/13/13, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> Does anybody know what the name of this app will be?
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Russ Kiehne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
>> Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Holton
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
>> beta
>> is over and the app has been submitted.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Scott Rumery
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>> know
>> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>> time
>> for it.
>>
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
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>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Mike Arrigo]

This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android 
users is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of 
accessibility that is provided is now on the same level, another good thing.

Original message:
One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more 
blind iOS users than android users.



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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:



Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish 
they would have released them both at the same time.

Original message:




I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.





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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
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The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.





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Re: downgrading i-OS

[Christopher Chaltain]

I haven't done this myself, but from earlier discussions on list and a 
bit of research via Google in the past, you'll either need a signed copy 
of the firmware from Apple, which you can usually still get for a week 
or so after a new version of IOS has been released, or you need to save 
your shsh blob before upgrading. Here's just one place where you can 
read a bit more: http://www.ijailbreak.com/how-to-downgrade/


On 09/13/2013 02:02 PM, Chris H wrote:

A backup isn't enough I don't think. That will only backup the contacts,
settings, etc.

On 13/09/2013 19:34, Bill Gallik wrote:

Isn't it possible to save the iPhone backup residing on the computer to
a designated folder and then move it back into the "official" backup
location if it is necessary to get back to the current iOS?  That's what
I'd try to do.

Holland's Boy, Bill
- "Chase after the truth like all hell and you'll free yourself, even
though you never touch its coat tails."
- Clarence Darrow, American Lawyer & Politician, 1857-1938
- Original Message - From: "Rami" 
To: 
Cc: "Alan Paganelli" 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:55 PM
Subject: downgrading i-OS



Hello
as we already know, i-OS 7 will be out next weak. i actually intend to
upgrade, but i heard that apple changed the voices. in case the Arabic
voice was not as good as the current one, will there be a way for me
to downgrade to 6.1.3 again? if yes, how can i do this?
thanks in advance.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Alan Paganelli]

Does anybody know what the name of this app will be?
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Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

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Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
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website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Holton

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
know

that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[eric oyen]

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that have 
discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). all of 
these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my experience 
that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want reliability without 
sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one device, 
but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
> ---
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
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>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
> 
>> time for it.
>> 
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Christopher Chaltain]

According to an answer on the list already, it's called BARD Mobile.

On 09/13/2013 02:12 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

Does anybody know what the name of this app will be?
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- Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!

-Original Message- From: Bill Holton
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the
beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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Of Scott Rumery
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because
I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
time
for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Rick Alfaro]

I believe it is called Bard Mobile.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


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Does anybody know what the name of this app will be?
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- Original Message -
From: "Russ Kiehne" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


> Wow, that is great news.  I'm really looking forward to this app!
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Bill Holton
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
> is over and the app has been submitted.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I 
> know
> that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
> for it.
>
> Scott Rumery
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>
>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Re: problem using nfl mobile

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello,

I have found 2 ways of listening to games in the app.

First way to listen to a game:

* double tap on the menu button in the top left corner.
* right flick until you get to teams, and Double tap.
* Then right flick to the team you want to listen too, and double tap.
* Then right flick until you come to game center, and double tap.
* Then there is a listen to audio live button near the bottom of the screen, so 
you might want to go to the bottom of the screen, and left flick up until you 
get to it, then double tap.
* Most of the time, it then starts playing.
* But all of the controls are then at the top of the screen.  So then go to the 
top left, and right flick, and you will find a play button, stop button, a 
source button, and even a volume control.

The source button is where you control which team feed you listen too.
I think the default is the home team, but you can change it to the away team if 
you like.
Double tap the source button, then right flick until you get to away and double 
tap.


The second way I found to listen to games:

* Double tap the menu button in the upper left of the screen.
* Right flick and double tap schedule.
* I just touch the center of the screen, and it normally puts me in a list of 
games for that week.  You can right and left flick until you find the game you 
want.  It also has the time each game starts.
* So after you find the game you want, just double tap it.
* Now you will need to find that listen audio live button near the bottom as 
mentioned above and double tap it.
* As stated above, it normally automatically starts playing at this time for 
me, but as mentioned above, the controls are at the top of the screen.  Just go 
to the upper left and right flick.

Again, the source button is where you change the team feed you want to listen 
too.

I hope this has been helpful.

Chris Chaffin

From: john riehl 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: problem using nfl mobile

Iam new to the list. I downloaded NFL Mobile. I’m a Verizon customer, not an 
NFL pass owner. After going through the sign-in process I got into the app but 
had trouble finding the games. Many of the buttons didn’t seem to be labeled. 
Can someone give me a tip on how to access the actual games using NFL Mobile?  
Thanks. 

PS There were several apps; I chose the first one that came up on the list, 
which says it was produced by the NFL. 

Thanks. 

John riehl

 

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Downcast question Is continuous play of podcasts possible

[TaraPrakash]

Dear all  i want downcast To play podcasts continuously  I want it to move to 
next part cost when one is finished  So that it always is playing some podcasts 
or the other. Is it possible? 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:19 PM, Shane clark  wrote:

> Ok, so I got a notification earlier saying all feeds were refreshed and no 
> new episodes were available. So why did I get it out of the blue? Again, I 
> stream all new episodes, and I'm set to automatically refresh every three 
> hours. I'm just confused as to why I got this notification when I did... Do 
> these occur when the app is running in the background or does it have to be 
> closed? I read the help section, but I'm still trying to get the hang of it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:25 PM, "Jesus Garcia"  wrote:
> 
>> Also, remember that if you have downcast set to download only when connected 
>> to a wifi connection which I think is the default then it will not complete 
>> the download until you have said connection.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 13:20
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Downcast question
>>  
>> In iOS 6, audio-related apps are only allowed to run in the background for 
>> quite a short time. So if you run the app and then switch to another app, 
>> Downcast can keep going for a bit, fetching your podcasts and updating your 
>> feeds. But if you don't switch back from time to time, it's eventually going 
>> to time out and stop doing that. They implemented the location awareness 
>> feature to get around this. So for example it can be set up to update your 
>> feeds when you arrive at the airport.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>>  
>> On 13/09/2013, at 1:51 AM, Shane Clark  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So it doesn 't refresh without opening the app? I thought that  maybe it  
>> did it by itself, because I thought I got a notification one time before 
>> saying two new items were available without opening the app
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> My guess is that it refreshes when you open the app if it's been 3 hours or 
>> more since the last refresh. Double-tap the rEfresh button near the top of 
>> the screen, and Downcast should do it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Shane clark  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have my feeds in Downcast to refresh every 3 hours and in notifications 
>> say new episodes button on, and feed refreshing button on. However, today 
>> around 2:30, I was listening to a podcast, and got done, and just left 
>> Downcast running in the background. I checked it about 30 minutes ago to see 
>> if any new podcast where available, and nothing was available… However, when 
>> I opened up podcast five new episodes all of a sudden became available… Why 
>> is this? Why isn't the podcasts refreshing themselves automatically? I 
>> thought that when you left Downcast Running in the background, and you had 
>> everything set up to automatically refresh, that it would without having to 
>> open up the app.
>> Any ideas?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Subscribe

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You are subscribed
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Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

can u give us any tips for using the app with the screen reader? on 
setting up the folders? this is where I get stuck.


On 9/13/2013 12:31 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Hi.

I had great success with Tonido, the set of desktop and IOS apps that
someone had recommended on this list.

I'm sure you may know that the Apple TV does not support DLNA and I was
looking for a solution for being able to access all of my media files on my
NAS without having to add them through iTunes. Tonido did the trick for me.
After installing the desktop app for Windows and going through the setup,
and downloading the IOS app, I'm now able to access my NAS and play to my
Apple TV via AirPlay. Works great.

The desktop program is kind of weird with a screen reader but definitely
usable with some patience and a good knowledge of your screen reader. You
need to use the desktop app to setup your Tonido account and specify which
folders you want to share. Once that's done, you don't have to mess with it
any more.

Just thought I would update the list for anyone wanting to try Tonido.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:35 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

Hi,

It sure will.  :).  Open iTunes on your PC, enable home sharing, and follow
the same steps I stated previously on your IOS device.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Terrie Terlau  wrote:


Ricardo,
Do you know if this procedure will work on iTunes on the PC? I rather
think not, but am checking just in case.
Thanks.
Terrie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:31 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: playing music on my iPhone from my network

Hi,

This is pretty straight forward.  Just turn on iTunes homesharing on
your Mac in iTunes and on your IOS device in settings/ music.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Agent086b  wrote:


Hi,
I wish to use my iTunes library on my Mac.
Thanks,
Max.

On 13/09/2013, at 2:11 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:


Yes, it is.

Where do you want to get your music from?


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:55 AM, Agent086b  wrote:


Hi,
is it possible to play music on my iPhone by connecting to my network?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like 
having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the 
battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my 
Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right 
where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher 
and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that 
it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting 
a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I 
know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading 
again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated to my book 
reading and being only one button away from reading.


I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. 
I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a 
lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.


Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the 
BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my 
iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the 
BARD Mobile app.


On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:

there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that have 
discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). all of 
these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my experience 
that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want reliability without 
sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one device, 
but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:


Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.


Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
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Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Rumery" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval



How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log



time for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:


The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.

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Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Traci Duncan]

:) thank you for the replies so far.  I figured OCR & recognizer apps was a 
sweeping subject for the list of apps.

Let' see, I absolutely love tapTapSee.  It is the app that has pretty much 
replaced vizWiz for me.  I have used it to read names of products in my hand, 
I've used it to read something on the tv screen, and I've used it to identify 
pics on my device.

I think it is mostly the OCR apps that have me overwhelmed.  I don't use them 
enough to know which work really well.  I've used Prizmo for reading mail or 
longer portions of text.  I've also used it when I've taken a screen shot of an 
online receipt and have it read it to me.

I'm just not familiar enough with Perfect OCR, ImageToText, DocScanner, or 
SayText.

When I first got Recognizer, I gave it a whirl, but I had a hard time having it 
recognize similar items of the same type.  It's a very cool app with impressive 
technology, but lol, guess not for me.  :)

Hopefully that answer some questions.  I should look in my store history and 
remind myself which ones I paid for.

Traci
On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:

> Actually, neither of these apps are intended to be used for OCR: optical 
> character recognition.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Isaac Hebert" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps
> 
> 
> Tap Tap is a great app for OCR. Vizwiz is also a great app for OCR.
> The red of the apps you mentioned you can remove.
> 
> On 9/13/13, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> Since each of these apps can be used for different purposes, how about you
>> specify what it is you intend to do with the apps you intend to keep.
>> .
>> 
>> Joseph
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Traci Duncan" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:43 AM
>> Subject: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Inside my OCR folder, I have 11 apps.  In an effort to clean up my iPhone 
>> a
>> 
>> bit, could the group offer up their summery on the following apps.
>> 
>> I’ll first list the 2 I use more frequently.
>> Prizmo
>> TapTapSee
>> 
>> I occasionally use:
>> RedLaser
>> VizWiz
>> Reviews, (use to be Consmer.)
>> 
>> Here are the apps I’ve used very little, so don’t really know if they are
>> worth keeping.
>> 
>> DocScanner
>> ImageToText
>> Color ID
>> SayText
>> Recognizer, (regret this app big time)
>> Perfect OCR
>> 
>> 
>> So, my thought was, there are some of you that probably have far more
>> useable experience with these apps, and you may be able to advice me on 
>> keep
>> 
>> or discard.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help, :)
>> Traci
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the
> battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
> Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
> where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher
> and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that
> it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting
> a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I
> know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading
> again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated to my book
> reading and being only one button away from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
> I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
> lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
> BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my
> iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the
> BARD Mobile app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
>> devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just
>> a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app,
>>> and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some
>>> may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>>
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>>
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
>>> on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>>> my
>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>>
 How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
 know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very
 log
>>>
 time for it.

 Scott Rumery
 On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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RE: battery drainage found problem

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi,

I had a similar problem and couldn't solve it.  I called my provider and
they changed the channel I was using on the router claiming that probably I
was getting some interference from a recent installion close to me.  Never
had a problem since.

Ron & Danvers


Falling down is part of LIFE...
Getting back up is LIVING...

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lois Butterfield
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: battery drainage found problem

Hi May,

Mine has been draining more quickly lately because it isn't staying
connected to my wireless.  I don't know if the signal is not as strong from
my router, or what is new.  I am hoping that with the new software, whatever
problem is causing this will be fixed.  I think that maybe constantly
connecting and disconnecting is draining the battery.  

You might try just checking off and on to see if your WIFI is connected.  If
you see 3G or LTE, you'll know you're not connected to WIFI.

Unfortunately, I don't know of a solution.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of May and Noah
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: battery drainage found problem

Good day everyone.

First off thanks to everyone that sent in suggestions about how to fix my
battery drainage issue. Well I found the problem but now I'm stumped again
and could use some suggestions on how this possibly could be fixed.

Here is what I discovered today since I have been keeping an eye on
what's up with my phone and the battery. After a nice dead phone and then a
full charge I unplugged the phone today and headed out at 7:20 yesterday
morning and by 9:30, 2 hours later it was still sitting at 99%. Lets say
maybe around noon I dropped to 95%. That's totally awesome and what I'm use
to my phone being like. Ok, so, get back home and we our connected back to
our wifi and here's where we discovered the problem. When I am connected to
wifi it's killing my battery. It's dropping maybe 5 to 10% every few
minutes.

So we double checked to see if in actually was the wifi so I now have wifi
off and when I did the battery was sitting at 78% that was maybe around
midnight. It is now 4 in the morning and my battery is sitting at 76%. So
I'm pretty sure now that it is wifi that is killing my battery all of a
sudden.

Does anyone have any ideas on how or why this might be?

keep in mind that this is probably the same issue on the phone I had until
recent. Two different phones, two different carriers.at a lost now.
May and Prince Noah
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Bill Holton]

Do you have Dropbox?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I still haven't found an easy way to put audio books on the IPhone
which are not Audible books. So without this, I still need my
BookSense.

On 9/13/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like
> having a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the
> battery consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my
> Booksense, and by pressing just one button, start reading a book right
> where I left off. No need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher
> and bring up my BARD Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that
> it's a physical button, and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting
> a physical button while the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I
> know it's not that hard to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading
> again, but it is convenient to have a device dedicated to my book
> reading and being only one button away from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around.
> I can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a
> lanyard, so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the
> BARD Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my
> iPhone and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the
> BARD Mobile app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode
reader).
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been
my
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the
extra
>> devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just
>> a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app,
>>> and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some
>>> may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>>
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>>
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
>>> on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>>> my
>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>>
 How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
 know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very
 log
>>>
 time for it.

 Scott Rumery
 On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Chuck Dean]

I had not used the MLS books in quite a while, but when I heard that the Bard 
app was going to be released I ordered up a machine to familiarize myself with 
the system. I was amazed at how nice the machine felt. Very solid big buttons 
etc. etc., it was kind of comforting to have a  talking book machine in my hand 
again.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having a 
> separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, and 
> I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while the 
> Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard to get 
> the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to have a 
> device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away from 
> reading.
> 
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I can 
> operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, so I can 
> just hang it from my neck.
> 
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD 
> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone and 
> my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile app.
> 
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
>> devices on hand.
>> 
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
>> phone.
>> 
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>> 
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>> 
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> 
 How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
 know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log
>>> 
 time for it.
 
 Scott Rumery
 On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
 
> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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RE: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi,

They have already said that you will be able to use multiple finger prints
if a few people need to use the phone.  In that case, you should be able to
use two or three of your own fingers.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Donnie Harris
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

Sieghard,
I wonder if there is going to be a way to rescan your finger print in case
of a finger injury, like you just mentioned here.
I do mechanic work all of the time and always have cuts, scrapes etc...
Maybe they will allow a second finger to be scanned just in case of an
injury like this, it could kind of like the imfamous security question on a
secured website.
Just wondering, hopfully they will give some thought to an accident like
this.
I realize there would have to be a password involved or else a thief could
rescan it for their finger print.
Just my 2 cents!
Donnie Harris.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C


: Hi Victor,
:
: According to Apple the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone takes a high
: resolution image of the sub epidermal layer of the skin and I think this
may
: avoid some of the issues you are worried about although a cut or scarring
: may effect it. Here is some information I just found:
:
: The most interesting new feature found in the iPhone 5s is undoubtably its
: Touch ID system that scans of users' fingerprints on the device and lets
: them use the fingerprint data to unlock their devices and make purchases
: through the iTunes Store. The Wall Street Journal reports that an unnamed
: Apple spokesperson has provided some important new details about how Touch
: ID will work and how it will keep users' privacy safe.
:
: First, Apple says that it isn't storing full scans of users' fingerprints
on
: the device and is only storing "fingerprint data" that stays encrypted on
: the iPhone 5s processor. Because this data is fragmented pieces of
: information about users' fingerprints rather than full images, Apple says
: that hackers won't be able to reverse engineer the users' original scans
if
: they crack the chip.
:
: Those aren't the only security features Apple has built into Touch ID, of
: course. The company also tells users that they need to create a passcode
: before scanning their fingerprints that they'll need to use when they
reboot
: their phone or if their phone has stayed unlocked for more than two days. 
In
: other words, using your fingerprint alone won't be enough to unlock your
: iPhone in all circumstances. Additionally, Apple has put up a firewall
: between Touch ID and third-part apps so there's no way for a rogue
: application to steal your fingerprint data.
:
: Finally, Apple cautions users that they shouldn't expect Touch ID to work
: perfectly all the time. In particular Apple's engineers found that the
: fingerprint scanner doesn't respond well when users' hands are wet with
: sweat or other liquids. The sensor also has trouble in instances where
: users' fingers have been scarred or disfigured in some way.
:
:
: Regards,
: Sieghard
:
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: From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
: Of Victor Gouveia
: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:55 AM
: To: viphone@googlegroups.com
: Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C
:
: The only problem I see with a fingerprint scanner is that, while
: fingerprints don't change, the surface of fingers do, especially we, the
: blind who use our fingers more often then most, especially for Braille
: reading and the like, will no doubt develop callouses on their fingers
which
: may interfere with the scanner's ability to read said fingerprints.
:
: Like I said, it may not be a problem in the short term, but if one can't
: afford to purchase the latest and greatest every year when it comes out,
: this will no doubt impact one's decision, but as the fingerprint setting
can
: be turned off, this may render this problem a moot point.  Assuming you
turn
: off the fingerprint setting before you develop the callouses.  LOL.
:
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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Joseph FreeTech]

Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no 
longer an issue.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down 
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my 
experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want 
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra 
devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a 
phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
> why
> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
> upgrading
> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
> on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
> my
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very 
>> log
>
>> time for it.
>>
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>
>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>
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Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Tracy,

Both Prizmo and Perfect OCR are good apps and worth keeping. If you get the 
StandScan Pro, you'll get amazing results with Prizmo.

Cheers,

Anne


On 13 Sep 2013, at 22:39, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> :) thank you for the replies so far.  I figured OCR & recognizer apps was a 
> sweeping subject for the list of apps.
> 
> Let' see, I absolutely love tapTapSee.  It is the app that has pretty much 
> replaced vizWiz for me.  I have used it to read names of products in my hand, 
> I've used it to read something on the tv screen, and I've used it to identify 
> pics on my device.
> 
> I think it is mostly the OCR apps that have me overwhelmed.  I don't use them 
> enough to know which work really well.  I've used Prizmo for reading mail or 
> longer portions of text.  I've also used it when I've taken a screen shot of 
> an online receipt and have it read it to me.
> 
> I'm just not familiar enough with Perfect OCR, ImageToText, DocScanner, or 
> SayText.
> 
> When I first got Recognizer, I gave it a whirl, but I had a hard time having 
> it recognize similar items of the same type.  It's a very cool app with 
> impressive technology, but lol, guess not for me.  :)
> 
> Hopefully that answer some questions.  I should look in my store history and 
> remind myself which ones I paid for.
> 
> Traci

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Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

[Alan Paganelli]

I'm right handed but I use a Bluetooth ear peace on my left side because 
that's the side I used for my dog guide.  And, it left my right hand free. 
Even when using a cane in my right hand I still use the ear peace in my left 
ear.  So I don't use call waiting on my iPhone either.  I turned it off.  If 
I'm talking on the phone, that means I'm busy! call back later.  So I rarely 
use the home button which was why I was curious.  Lastly, thanks to 
everybody for being very helpful and not laughing at me to much. 

---

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Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Alfaro" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: Features of the 5S and 5C


Same here, I almost always use my index finger for the home button. The 
only

exception to that is if I have need to use the phone one-handed in which
case I use my left thumb.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C

The funny thing is, I always hold my iPhone in my left hand as I'm right
handed and so I use my iPhone with my right hand.  I never hit the home 
key
with my thumb.  I figure, they don't call it a thumb scanner, they call it 
a

finger print scanner.   So my thanks to Ricardo for my morning
chuckle.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my

website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Victor Gouveia" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Features of the 5S and 5C



Hi Ricardo,

True, most people don't use their thumbs for Braille reading, but then
there's that silly thing called life that keeps getting in the way of
one's perfectly coiffed digits.

Remember what sets us apart from other animals is the fact that we do 
have



opposable thumbs, hence we tend to use our thumbs more than any other
finger in our repertoire.

In addition, with us being blind, we use our hands more than most people,
so callouses are pretty much a sure thing for us, regardless of which
digit we use to read Braille.

Of course, you do realize that the "reading Braille" was just an example
of the various things we do with our fingers don't you?

I mean, I wasn't being that obtuse, was I?  Smiles.


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Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Chuck Dean]

Unless you are desperate for the space, why delete any apps? I made a folder I 
call junk drawer, which I put apps and that I don't use very much. You never 
know, you might want it  someday.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Tracy,
> 
> Both Prizmo and Perfect OCR are good apps and worth keeping. If you get the 
> StandScan Pro, you'll get amazing results with Prizmo.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 13 Sep 2013, at 22:39, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
>> :) thank you for the replies so far.  I figured OCR & recognizer apps was a 
>> sweeping subject for the list of apps.
>> 
>> Let' see, I absolutely love tapTapSee.  It is the app that has pretty much 
>> replaced vizWiz for me.  I have used it to read names of products in my 
>> hand, I've used it to read something on the tv screen, and I've used it to 
>> identify pics on my device.
>> 
>> I think it is mostly the OCR apps that have me overwhelmed.  I don't use 
>> them enough to know which work really well.  I've used Prizmo for reading 
>> mail or longer portions of text.  I've also used it when I've taken a screen 
>> shot of an online receipt and have it read it to me.
>> 
>> I'm just not familiar enough with Perfect OCR, ImageToText, DocScanner, or 
>> SayText.
>> 
>> When I first got Recognizer, I gave it a whirl, but I had a hard time having 
>> it recognize similar items of the same type.  It's a very cool app with 
>> impressive technology, but lol, guess not for me.  :)
>> 
>> Hopefully that answer some questions.  I should look in my store history and 
>> remind myself which ones I paid for.
>> 
>> Traci
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Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Timothy Emmons]

How does it identify pics on your device? I have tap tap see so was just 
curious. Thanks. 
On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

> :) thank you for the replies so far.  I figured OCR & recognizer apps was a 
> sweeping subject for the list of apps.
> 
> Let' see, I absolutely love tapTapSee.  It is the app that has pretty much 
> replaced vizWiz for me.  I have used it to read names of products in my hand, 
> I've used it to read something on the tv screen, and I've used it to identify 
> pics on my device.
> 
> I think it is mostly the OCR apps that have me overwhelmed.  I don't use them 
> enough to know which work really well.  I've used Prizmo for reading mail or 
> longer portions of text.  I've also used it when I've taken a screen shot of 
> an online receipt and have it read it to me.
> 
> I'm just not familiar enough with Perfect OCR, ImageToText, DocScanner, or 
> SayText.
> 
> When I first got Recognizer, I gave it a whirl, but I had a hard time having 
> it recognize similar items of the same type.  It's a very cool app with 
> impressive technology, but lol, guess not for me.  :)
> 
> Hopefully that answer some questions.  I should look in my store history and 
> remind myself which ones I paid for.
> 
> Traci
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Joseph FreeTech  
> wrote:
> 
>> Actually, neither of these apps are intended to be used for OCR: optical 
>> character recognition.
>> 
>> Joseph
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Isaac Hebert" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps
>> 
>> 
>> Tap Tap is a great app for OCR. Vizwiz is also a great app for OCR.
>> The red of the apps you mentioned you can remove.
>> 
>> On 9/13/13, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>> 
>>> Since each of these apps can be used for different purposes, how about you
>>> specify what it is you intend to do with the apps you intend to keep.
>>> .
>>> 
>>> Joseph
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Traci Duncan" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:43 AM
>>> Subject: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Inside my OCR folder, I have 11 apps.  In an effort to clean up my iPhone 
>>> a
>>> 
>>> bit, could the group offer up their summery on the following apps.
>>> 
>>> I’ll first list the 2 I use more frequently.
>>> Prizmo
>>> TapTapSee
>>> 
>>> I occasionally use:
>>> RedLaser
>>> VizWiz
>>> Reviews, (use to be Consmer.)
>>> 
>>> Here are the apps I’ve used very little, so don’t really know if they are
>>> worth keeping.
>>> 
>>> DocScanner
>>> ImageToText
>>> Color ID
>>> SayText
>>> Recognizer, (regret this app big time)
>>> Perfect OCR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, my thought was, there are some of you that probably have far more
>>> useable experience with these apps, and you may be able to advice me on 
>>> keep
>>> 
>>> or discard.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help, :)
>>> Traci
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Re: Listing OCR & Recognizer apps

[Christopher Chaltain]

It's not a big deal either, but deleting apps you aren't using does make 
an update all go faster.


On 09/13/2013 04:04 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:

Unless you are desperate for the space, why delete any apps? I made a folder I 
call junk drawer, which I put apps and that I don't use very much. You never 
know, you might want it  someday.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:


Hello Tracy,

Both Prizmo and Perfect OCR are good apps and worth keeping. If you get the 
StandScan Pro, you'll get amazing results with Prizmo.

Cheers,

Anne


On 13 Sep 2013, at 22:39, Traci Duncan  wrote:


:) thank you for the replies so far.  I figured OCR & recognizer apps was a 
sweeping subject for the list of apps.

Let' see, I absolutely love tapTapSee.  It is the app that has pretty much 
replaced vizWiz for me.  I have used it to read names of products in my hand, 
I've used it to read something on the tv screen, and I've used it to identify 
pics on my device.

I think it is mostly the OCR apps that have me overwhelmed.  I don't use them 
enough to know which work really well.  I've used Prizmo for reading mail or 
longer portions of text.  I've also used it when I've taken a screen shot of an 
online receipt and have it read it to me.

I'm just not familiar enough with Perfect OCR, ImageToText, DocScanner, or 
SayText.

When I first got Recognizer, I gave it a whirl, but I had a hard time having it 
recognize similar items of the same type.  It's a very cool app with impressive 
technology, but lol, guess not for me.  :)

Hopefully that answer some questions.  I should look in my store history and 
remind myself which ones I paid for.

Traci


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