RE: My iPhone 6+ is here and it is HUGE and THIN!
As some news reports seem to show I would be very careful about putting that phone in a pocket. Please get a case for it. Corey Cook Facebook: mailto:corey.coo...@gmail.com corey.coo...@gmail.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My iPhone 6+ is here and it is HUGE and THIN! Hi. What about the speaker is that the same as earlier models or has it been improved. Best regards Annie. Den 24/09/2014 kl. 20.01 skrev Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com: I apologize for the cross-post but I know there are quite a few people on the macvoiceover list who are not on the viphone list. Yes, the 6+ is HUGE and THIN! Well, not really huge, I suppose, but huge in comparison with my 5 and 5S. I think it will be okay. It will give me a better opportunity to find things on the screen. Since I carry a fanny-pack around all the time with both phones and an assortment of those little Motorola hx550 bluetooth earphones and whatever else I may need, the size shouldn't be an issue for me. But honestly, I think those with pockets may want to look for a different carrying alternative, especially if your 5 or 5S fit perfectly but with not much room to spare. It's also definitely thinner and, one thing I hadn't known, the power button is placed differently. If I'm identifying correctly (it's still restoring from my iPhone 5 backup and syncing so I haven't locked/unlocked yet), the power button is not on the top right corner any more. Instead it is down the side a bit, the opposite side from the mute switch and volume buttons. It definitely has a different footprint from the 5 and 5S and most certainly from the 4S, but I think I will like it very much once I get used to it. I don't think the increased size makes it clunky; it still feels pretty to me. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple Accessibility
Likewise, I just received an email from them earlier today. -Original Message- From: John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple Accessibility I just wanted to tell everyone to please report bugs. Apple Accessibility is listening. I sent them a bug report a few days ago. Today I received an email from them asking questions about my report. This tells me that they are working on the issues which we are reporting. Please continue to inform them in a positive and informative fashion. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Braille Keyboard in iOs8
Yeah I can't either. The podcasts make it sound so easy. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Keyboard in iOs8 Yes, and no matter what I do I can't get things to come out normally. I thought it was just me; glad to know others are having this problem, even if it proves to be yet one more bug. On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com mailto:finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: When I calibrate the dots on the Braille keyboard there is a difference in Table and Away modes. In Table mode dots 1, 2, and 3 appear on the right of the cell; in Away mode they appear on the left. This means that the Table Mode produces a backwards Braille cell. Is anyone else having this issue? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
The only Issue I have is with the Safari bug but I’ve found a work around until Apple fixes this issue. I have ios 8 on my ipod touch 5th generation and won’t be updating my ipad mini. From: Alex Hall Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major problems. Yes, VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm willing to put up with those problems, though, to get the braille input, interactive notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8 features. It's a personal choice, though, and if you don't want the bugs, there's no harm at all in waiting. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon. Wayne On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to
Fwd: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)
Hi all, I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller phones won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large screen market, since so many people seem to like that. But I would also like to know how those of you on here who get the larger phones are managing them one-handed. Mary Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Macworld Daily macwo...@newsletters.macworld.com Date: September 24, 2014 at 12:00:11 PM PDT To: motte...@gmail.com Subject: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) Reply-To: siteh...@macworld.com Follow: 09.24.2014 View in a Browser Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) 09.23.2014 1:10 PM Mo' screen size, mo' problems? Kirk McElhearn might return to his year-old iPhone 5s rather than suffer thumb-strain from using the iPhone 6 one-handed. iPhone 6 pocket problems: Some buyers report that sitting down bends phones 09.23.2014 12:20 PM Are you sitting on it wrong? -ADVERTISEMENT- MACWORLD SUPERGUIDES Check our Guides packed with practical how-tos, in-depth features, tips and tricks, and more! OS X ON MACWORLD Our award-winning editors keep you up to date How to downgrade your iPhone or iPad from iOS 8 to iOS 7 09.24.2014 3:30 AM iOS 8 has a lot of great features, but if your device doesn't behave well with it, you may wish to revert to iOS 7 (while you still can). 14 iPhone apps that use Touch ID 09.24.2014 3:00 AM From banking services to password managers, developers were quick to build Touch ID compatibility into their iOS 8 apps. Talko looks like a solution to the problem that iOS 8's Messages has already solved 09.23.2014 1:24 PM Software titan Ray Ozzie's new app offers live calling, but there's little else to distinguish this messaging app from what the iPhone already does natively. Apple quickly drops iOS 8.0.1 to fix HealthKit bug 09.24.2014 10:42 AM Some users experiencing issues with cellular connectivity and Touch ID after updating their software. Makin' copies: How to preserve automatically deleted iOS installers 09.24.2014 6:00 AM In the bad old days, Apple allowed iOS installer files to pile up. That's no longer the case but some people still want them. Chris Breen provides a way to automatically create them. The Week in iOS Accessories: Gear for your old iPhone that fits your new iPhone, too 09.24.2014 4:00 AM Instead of replacing an entire accessory arsenal, most of these products made for the iPhone 5/5s are also compatible with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Hands-on with Pebble Firmware 2.5; iOS 8 users get better notifications 09.23.2014 2:30 PM A small tweak to notifications makes the Pebble smartwatch much more useful. And there's new compass support too. Desktop PCs aren't bad, but Americans love TVs (and Apple!) the most 09.24.2014 11:10 AM The latest American Customer Satisfaction Index report finds that U.S. consumers overwhelmingly love their TVs, Apple, and yes, their comfy old desktop PCs. But Amerca's fascnation with computing devices in general is waning a bit. You are subscribed to this newsletter as: motte...@gmail.com More Macworld Newsletters / Manage Subscriptions / Unsubscribe IDG Consumer SMB Privacy Policy © 2014 IDGCSMB, 501 2nd Street, San Francisco, CA 94107 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS 8.01, Voiceover and Safari Bug Still Present
H, You must have gotton the update just before it was pulled. Are you having issues with cellier connectivity? there was an artical regarding this so was wondering. Matthew On 09/24/2014 02:52 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote: It appears as if when you activate any link on any web page in Safari when running Voiceover, the moment you activate the Back button, complete instability occurs, it is not possible to flick through the content of the page, no links or headings typically are being reported in the rotor, and the page is generally just not navigable in any way. I sure hope they can fix that one. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out
I tried to update on my iPd, no dice, tried it on the phone, the update isn't available. Well it looks like we will live in bug land for a while yet. Sent from my buggy iPhone *** When talent and skill work together u get a masterpiece; when faith and patience work together u get the Master's peace. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Trea Abma trea.a...@gmail.com wrote: I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved. From: Rich Ring Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Rich Ring Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that the update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male gailcrowe1...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, It sure is! I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you beat me to it. LOL! - Original Message - From: Cristóbal To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of accessibility fixes, but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any improvements on their devices... -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit
RE: Maps - Location Off
You might also give google maps a try. It is good and it is free. DJ _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Maps - Location Off Only being a few address is normal for any GPS. They range from being as far off as from 15 to 50 feet. The average inaccuracy is about 15 to 30 feet. So, what you're experiencing is perfectly normal. The weather and surroundings can affect the accuracy. You should never rely solely on any GPS for mobility, although it is a great tool as an addition to your own mobility skills. On a regular basis, I use Navigon, or the Seeing Eye app, and am starting to use the Maps app that is built into the iPhone 5. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Sherry Wells mailto:sherrywe...@ameritech.net To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Maps - Location Off Hi all, I'm a new IPhone user have a 5s. I've been playing around with maps an noticed my location is always slightly off where I really am. At home maps has me in the address next door for instance. This isn't even consistent as once, maps had me several addresses down the street. I have tried a couple of other locations too maps is always slightly off. Is this normal? And if one were to use maps to get anywhere, would you end up a door or two down from where you really wanted to go? At this point, I would not have any confidence in using maps. Do others use it or does everyone just get one of the better gps apps? Thanks. Regards, Sherry Wells -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Bending iPhone?
When I get mine, I am getting an Otterbox for it also. I carry mine inside a pocket and clip it to the pocket about 98% of the time, want to continue doing that so I will go for the 6 rather than the plus, would live the better battery life but the size may not work with me. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Bending iphones? Hi, I don't want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn't specify 6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying them around in their front shirt pockets. That's all I know. Hope it's nothing. Keep your ears to the ground. Keith -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: KNFB reader rocks!
Wow! Still using a 4S? Mine triggers the voiceover reset about 90% of the time. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: KNFB reader rocks! Hi all, I am having lunch at my local sandwich shop. They have a menu mounted on the wall behind the cash register. I took a picture of the menu... Worked pretty well! Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I will and I have the money, it will be done before I discuss remodeling the kitchen, or moving again. BTW, I used Talking Goggles to assure myself that my oven was set where I wanted it, it took a bit to get the result but much better than guessing and getting it wrong. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Bending iPhone?
Yes, actually I saw a keyboard one could roll up, It was strange and I did not feel that comfortable typing on it but then, I use a standard keyboard all day long at work so, those with small keys or oddly placed keys are not my friends. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bending iphones? Ever seen a rubber keyboard?They do exist, so, maybe, this could be a thing of the future. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote: Oh, that would be hilarious! I guess I'd better not laugh to hard because someday it may happen: something in settings that says choose shape for iPhone! -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Teresa, yes, I sure hope Apple makes on I can just roll up and shove into my pocket. Unfortunately this will probably be the iPhone 59 or something like that. From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:33 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bending iphones? I rememer once using aluminum canes that bowed almost as soon as I touched them. It's an aluminum characteristic. Maybe someday the iPhone will actually be flexible in an intentional sense. Until that point, let's be careful. :) Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Steve mailto:pipeguy...@gmail.com pipeguy...@gmail.com wrote: Because of the aluminum frame in the iPhone 6, it will bend. There are lots of videos on the net and some complaints on social networks like Twitter about it bending. It is most vulnerable near the buttons. Steve - Original Message - From: mailto:siegh...@live.ca Sieghard Weitzel To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: RE: Bending iphones? I guess we’ll hear more about it if there is a real issue. My first response here is that just from being in a shirt pocket the iPhone won’t bend. Give it a hard enough impact and it will probably bend. I am actually speaking from my own experience since I bent my 5S this summer. I had it in the back pocket of a pair of shorts when I took my dog for a walk to the river. I stepped on a rock which rolled out from under my foot and I was on a fairly steep downhill slope so I just sort of fell down on my behind on about fist-size rocks. Since the iPhone was in my back pocket I sat on it and at first it seemed OK, once I got home I noticed a gap between the touch screen and the top edge of the stainless steel frame big enough to stick a dime through. The phone was working fine and a few weeks later when I was in Vancouver I took it to an Apple Store and since I had bought Apple Care which covers 2 accidental damages, I was able to have it replaced with a new phone for a $79 fee, I guess you can call it a deductible since I see Apple Care as an insurance. My nephew whose parents (my brother and his wife) have a cattle ranch got knocked against a fence post by an unfriendly cow and he bent his iPhone 5. It’s a minor bent and his phone has been working like that for over a year. I think one would have to know the “rest of the story” as Paul Harvey used to say to see why the iPhone 6 Plus in question got bent. For all I know somebody is just trying to give Apple a bad name (again) with such a story, but I guess we’ll find out if this is a real issue or a manufactured one. Regards, Sieghard From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:17 AM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Bending iphones? Hi, I don’t want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn’t specify 6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying them around in their front shirt pockets.
Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)
Hello I am loving my iPhone six. I use it one handed all the time. Touching the home button twice, bring all icons towards the bottoms of the screen. My annoying problems are all with iOS 8! Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller phones won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large screen market, since so many people seem to like that. But I would also like to know how those of you on here who get the larger phones are managing them one-handed. Mary Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Macworld Daily macwo...@newsletters.macworld.com Date: September 24, 2014 at 12:00:11 PM PDT To: motte...@gmail.com Subject: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) Reply-To: siteh...@macworld.com Follow: 09.24.2014 View in a Browser Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) 09.23.2014 1:10 PM Mo' screen size, mo' problems? Kirk McElhearn might return to his year-old iPhone 5s rather than suffer thumb-strain from using the iPhone 6 one-handed. iPhone 6 pocket problems: Some buyers report that sitting down bends phones 09.23.2014 12:20 PM Are you sitting on it wrong? -ADVERTISEMENT- MACWORLD SUPERGUIDES Check our Guides packed with practical how-tos, in-depth features, tips and tricks, and more! OS X ON MACWORLD Our award-winning editors keep you up to date How to downgrade your iPhone or iPad from iOS 8 to iOS 7 09.24.2014 3:30 AM iOS 8 has a lot of great features, but if your device doesn't behave well with it, you may wish to revert to iOS 7 (while you still can). 14 iPhone apps that use Touch ID 09.24.2014 3:00 AM From banking services to password managers, developers were quick to build Touch ID compatibility into their iOS 8 apps. Talko looks like a solution to the problem that iOS 8's Messages has already solved 09.23.2014 1:24 PM Software titan Ray Ozzie's new app offers live calling, but there's little else to distinguish this messaging app from what the iPhone already does natively. Apple quickly drops iOS 8.0.1 to fix HealthKit bug 09.24.2014 10:42 AM Some users experiencing issues with cellular connectivity and Touch ID after updating their software. Makin' copies: How to preserve automatically deleted iOS installers 09.24.2014 6:00 AM In the bad old days, Apple allowed iOS installer files to pile up. That's no longer the case but some people still want them. Chris Breen provides a way to automatically create them. The Week in iOS Accessories: Gear for your old iPhone that fits your new iPhone, too 09.24.2014 4:00 AM Instead of replacing an entire accessory arsenal, most of these products made for the iPhone 5/5s are also compatible with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Hands-on with Pebble Firmware 2.5; iOS 8 users get better notifications 09.23.2014 2:30 PM A small tweak to notifications makes the Pebble smartwatch much more useful. And there's new compass support too. Desktop PCs aren't bad, but Americans love TVs (and Apple!) the most 09.24.2014 11:10 AM The latest American Customer Satisfaction Index report finds that U.S. consumers overwhelmingly love their TVs, Apple, and yes, their comfy old desktop PCs. But Amerca's fascnation with computing devices in general is waning a bit. You are subscribed to this newsletter as: motte...@gmail.com More Macworld Newsletters / Manage Subscriptions / Unsubscribe IDG Consumer SMB Privacy Policy © 2014 IDGCSMB, 501 2nd Street, San Francisco, CA 94107 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you
text notifications stopped working
Hey guys, OK, something does not make sense here. I am not getting any notifications for text sounds. I upgraded this afternoon, the messages are coming in I can see them in messages, but no sound is playing for texts. This makes no sense. I have literally changed nothing. Any ideas? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS 8.01, Voiceover and Safari Bug Still Present
I have not yet experienced any cellular instability or connection problems--at least, so far. Will there be an update to the update? -Original Message- From: matthew dyer Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8.01, Voiceover and Safari Bug Still Present H, You must have gotton the update just before it was pulled. Are you having issues with cellier connectivity? there was an artical regarding this so was wondering. Matthew On 09/24/2014 02:52 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote: It appears as if when you activate any link on any web page in Safari when running Voiceover, the moment you activate the Back button, complete instability occurs, it is not possible to flick through the content of the page, no links or headings typically are being reported in the rotor, and the page is generally just not navigable in any way. I sure hope they can fix that one. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is doin g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information
Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Russ, I would sure like to know how you work around the Safari bug with Voiceover and IOS 8. Thanks. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
I CAN RUN ALEX FASTER WITH THE 8.01 UPGRADE!!!
Hi Everyone; As the subject line says, I can run Alex faster with the 8.1 upgrade. And, when I use the touch-typing mode, the timing between the letters is longer. It seems to be more forgiving. Anthony Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is doin g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are
Re: text notifications stopped working
Check your do not disturb settings, this was happening to my friend. She had to turn do not disturb off. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Jed Barton jedbar...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, OK, something does not make sense here. I am not getting any notifications for text sounds. I upgraded this afternoon, the messages are coming in I can see them in messages, but no sound is playing for texts. This makes no sense. I have literally changed nothing. Any ideas? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Update on answering calls with iPad
Hi, Ok! Here it is. When I turn hand off off and on again, sometimes it works. You don't have to do it with a person with an iDevice. It will work with landlines and other phone users. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to make this work all of the time? Jenn TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Fwd: Problem with pdf files
The problem I reported with respect to Alex and pdf files in Ibooks seems spsecific to Alex. I switched to Samantha and I did not hear the objct replacement character at the end of every page. I am running 8.0 but I guess there has been an update, which I will try to see if that solves the problem. Begin forwarded message: From: denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com Subject: Problem with pdf files Date: September 24, 2014 at 3:55:45 PM CDT To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Hello all, I have upgraded to IOS 8 on my Ipad. I am reading an pdf file in ibooks. At the end of every page Alex repeatedly says object repplacement character. I have the punctuation to none. But nothing changed. Has anyone had this problem? I have not seen this before updating Denise R. avant 1st Vice President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois Live the life you want Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
8.1?
Where is 8.1? Just went to settings and was told my software is up to date. My phone didn't see any new software. Thoughts? Olivia Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 8.1?
Hello Olivia, it was pulled because somebody had accidentally hit the submit button. It wasn't supposed to come out to the public till next week. In court until one of the engineers day helps develop. On Sep 24, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Olivia Norman olivianor...@gmail.com wrote: Where is 8.1? Just went to settings and was told my software is up to date. My phone didn't see any new software. Thoughts? Olivia Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out
Hello allI found the following on Facebook. Basically don't update to the latest iOS 8.1. Here's the link! https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10204496318545736id=1623042232 *** Mickey Quenzer *** *** Assistive Technology Training And Consulting Services LLC *** *** Web site: http://www.attacs.net *** *** Phone: 541-218-3975 *** On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Yolanda ylt...@gmail.com wrote: It has been pulled now due to fp problems. On 9/24/2014 3:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Neal, this update was being tested internally even before 8.0 was put in the hands of the public. It also went out to carriers. But developers didn't get it, which is standard practice. The next release developers are likely to test will be 8.1, rather than an update to 8.0. Today's developments have ended what patience I had left with Apple. The good thing about this mess is that I don't think there is now any question about whether Apple's commitment to accessibility is waining. Clearly it's as strong as ever. What we're dealing with instead is a crisis in Apple's quality assurance that affects more than just blind people. Heads need to roll. Apple has a very solid reputation, but iOS 8 is starting to turn into a debacle. I am grateful, and thankful, for my Apple products, but I also paid decent money for them as did all the professionals who have lost money today because they updated in good faith and got no cell service at the end of the process. We're entitled to expect the devices to work as advertised, that's just a matter of consumer law and good faith. Apple is one of the world's wealthiest companies, with sufficient money to throw at improving their testing process. It needs to be done, and we do them no favours by giving them a free pass on what is a series of serious errors. People in all kinds of professions rely on these devices. If the narrative develops that the devices can't be relied on anymore, Apple are sunk. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 25/09/2014, at 6:28 am, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Hi, I applaud Apple’s quick update release. What is bothersome is that they put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to pull it. I bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on the beta team, do you get to see these updates first, or is the testing of these done in house. This also raises the question of updates released that may, in fact, break things that already work. I guess we will have to wait and see, but I am curious about who tests the updates they release. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I imagine it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the iPhone6. On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma trea.a...@gmail.com wrote: I updated and didn’t have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved. From: Rich Ring Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Rich Ring Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out However, I’ve heard that some users are losing cell service and that the update also breaks touch ID. I think I’ll wait! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male gailcrowe1...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, It sure is! I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you beat me to it. LOL! - Original Message - From: Cristóbal To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out Checking the changelong, there’s no specific mention of accessibility fixes, but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any improvements on their devices… -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Re: Sending Audio In A Text.
Well, when I've tried to put a subject line in an audio message after I put in my subject, you only get the iMessage option. Conversely, you can't do an audio message and then try to get back to the subject line; it's not happening. On Sep 24, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Neither do I! Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s! On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:25 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote: I don't personally use the subject line in messages. I would assume you could though. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Kathy Brandt katya20...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I gather it's not possible to put text in the subject line when you're doing an audio message? On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:37 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote: Do you mean using the audio feature in Messages. You have to double tap and hold on the record button and do not lift off of the button until you are done recording. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone; My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8. I am unable to reply. I also upgraded to IOS8. Please help? Thanks Anthony Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message
RE: 8.1?
8.1 is not out. 8.01 was released earlier today but pulled due to problems. SO yes, your software is up to date. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2014 11:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: 8.1? Where is 8.1? Just went to settings and was told my software is up to date. My phone didn't see any new software. Thoughts? Olivia Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: iCloud
hi again, I'll be trading in my old phone and probly reseting it to factory settings. if I log into Icloud using hte id I use for my 4s after reseting it Would my contacts and bookmarks stay in icloud if I don't erase them? As far as a incripted backup I really don't use itoons well. I'm using windows xp and jaws 10 so it's not really supported. Basicly I want my contacts from my 4s to stay in Icloud when I reset the 4s so I can grab them when I get the 6+. I'm sorry. I don't hink I'm being really clear here. Billy Maynard - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:38 PM Subject: Re: iCloud Hi Billy, if all you want is to be sure you have safeguarded your contacts, bookmarks etc, then that happens automatically as long as you're signed into iCloud. You don't need to take any other action. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 25/09/2014, at 9:34 am, Billy Maynard biljm...@comcast.net wrote: hello again, I don't wanna backup the full phone. I only have 5 gig free. the phone has more than that if I back up everything. I just want the contacts and sefary bookmarks backed up. like I said they're on but, under storage and data icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs. I'm not sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being stored. That's all I want an d not the full phone backup. Billy Maynard - Original Message - From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM Subject: Re: iCloud You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your screen as well as which apps are on the phone. On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard biljm...@comcast.net wrote: hello, I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have contacts and sefary on but, when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of storage. under storage and data iCloud is off. Do I need this setting on so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince. This is my first iPhone upgrade. on data and storage under the backup heading where iCloud is off it says backup camra roll, accounts, documents and settings when the phone is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it to back up pictures is why I never turned this on. Thanks for any help, Billy Maynard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)
This feature works well. Iwould not worry about future products. John Diakogeorgiou On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller phones won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large screen market, since so many people seem to like that. But I would also like to know how those of you on here who get the larger phones are managing them one-handed. Mary Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Macworld Daily macwo...@newsletters.macworld.com Date: September 24, 2014 at 12:00:11 PM PDT To: motte...@gmail.com Subject: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) Reply-To: siteh...@macworld.com Follow: 09.24.2014 View in a Browser Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) 09.23.2014 1:10 PM Mo' screen size, mo' problems? Kirk McElhearn might return to his year-old iPhone 5s rather than suffer thumb-strain from using the iPhone 6 one-handed. iPhone 6 pocket problems: Some buyers report that sitting down bends phones 09.23.2014 12:20 PM Are you sitting on it wrong? -ADVERTISEMENT- MACWORLD SUPERGUIDES Check our Guides packed with practical how-tos, in-depth features, tips and tricks, and more! OS X ON MACWORLD Our award-winning editors keep you up to date How to downgrade your iPhone or iPad from iOS 8 to iOS 7 09.24.2014 3:30 AM iOS 8 has a lot of great features, but if your device doesn't behave well with it, you may wish to revert to iOS 7 (while you still can). 14 iPhone apps that use Touch ID 09.24.2014 3:00 AM From banking services to password managers, developers were quick to build Touch ID compatibility into their iOS 8 apps. Talko looks like a solution to the problem that iOS 8's Messages has already solved 09.23.2014 1:24 PM Software titan Ray Ozzie's new app offers live calling, but there's little else to distinguish this messaging app from what the iPhone already does natively. Apple quickly drops iOS 8.0.1 to fix HealthKit bug 09.24.2014 10:42 AM Some users experiencing issues with cellular connectivity and Touch ID after updating their software. Makin' copies: How to preserve automatically deleted iOS installers 09.24.2014 6:00 AM In the bad old days, Apple allowed iOS installer files to pile up. That's no longer the case but some people still want them. Chris Breen provides a way to automatically create them. The Week in iOS Accessories: Gear for your old iPhone that fits your new iPhone, too 09.24.2014 4:00 AM Instead of replacing an entire accessory arsenal, most of these products made for the iPhone 5/5s are also compatible with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Hands-on with Pebble Firmware 2.5; iOS 8 users get better notifications 09.23.2014 2:30 PM A small tweak to notifications makes the Pebble smartwatch much more useful. And there's new compass support too. Desktop PCs aren't bad, but Americans love TVs (and Apple!) the most 09.24.2014 11:10 AM The latest American Customer Satisfaction Index report finds that U.S. consumers overwhelmingly love their TVs, Apple, and yes, their comfy old desktop PCs. But Amerca's fascnation with computing devices in general is waning a bit. You are subscribed to this newsletter as: motte...@gmail.com More Macworld Newsletters / Manage Subscriptions / Unsubscribe IDG Consumer SMB Privacy Policy © 2014 IDGCSMB, 501 2nd Street, San Francisco, CA 94107 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners
Re: 8.1?
8.1 is not available. The one that was accidentally released today was pulled shortly after due to incompletion. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Olivia Norman olivianor...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:45 PM Subject: 8.1? Where is 8.1? Just went to settings and was told my software is up to date. My phone didn't see any new software. Thoughts? Olivia Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Actually, the update is not planned for release until next week. An Apple engineer accidentally set it to public. Apple has already withdrawn the update once they discovered the error. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 25 Sep 2014, at 07:36, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I hate to say it, but I am hopeful that today's IOS 8.0.1 debacle will only help VO development in the future as after today Apple has a lot of egg on its face and I guess it just goes to show that it's not only VoiceOver that is being very poorly tested, as Apple needs to really reassess its testing and may be slow down the releases of operating systems. On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Thing is, I do use quite regularly Braille with my iPhone 5. I'm sure it is more stable on the 6 since the 6 has a 64 bit processor and better inner components. That, along with the sluggishness and the Braille issues, are the big reasons why I am staying with iOS 7, at least for now. Wayne On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: I've not seen VO crash on the 6. If you don't use braille or Bluetooth and are a bit tolerant you will be fine. On 9/24/14, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like I can wait a bit for the new phone, which should be here in at most another 2 weeks. Hopefully by then Apple will have put out a minor update or two to fix all the annoyances. I could put it on my 5, but given that several have reported VO crashing, I am not in that much of a hurry to get iOS 8. Besides, if the bugs persist, then I will get to endure them with everyone else on the brand new iPhone 6, oh boy. Wayne On 9/24/14, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote: I'm not having many problems on my phones and the instructions sent to me re: the rivvo helped me with all my bluetooth keyboards. Crashing is annoying but on my iPad, I much prefer it stopping and restarting to what it has sometimes done to me: stopping and hanging in the middle of an email so that i had to turn off vo, lock the iPad, unlock it and turn on vo again. For me, stopping and restarting and even some characters that repeat which I may have to delete are better than that: of course I'd rather have none of the above :-) -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major problems. Yes, VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm willing to put up with those problems, though, to get the braille input, interactive notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8 features. It's a personal choice, though, and if you don't want the bugs, there's no harm at all in waiting. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon. Wayne On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn
IPod nano 5th generation not being recognized by windows
Hi I recently got an iPod nano 5th generation. I’ve managed to connect it once initially to my windows 7 computer. After that though, upon plugging it in, I get a message saying that windows cannot recognize this device. How do I fix this problem so my iPod will always connect. Jen -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: iCloud
Yes John Diakogeorgiou On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Billy Maynard biljm...@comcast.net wrote: hi again, I'll be trading in my old phone and probly reseting it to factory settings. if I log into Icloud using hte id I use for my 4s after reseting it Would my contacts and bookmarks stay in icloud if I don't erase them? As far as a incripted backup I really don't use itoons well. I'm using windows xp and jaws 10 so it's not really supported. Basicly I want my contacts from my 4s to stay in Icloud when I reset the 4s so I can grab them when I get the 6+. I'm sorry. I don't hink I'm being really clear here. Billy Maynard - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:38 PM Subject: Re: iCloud Hi Billy, if all you want is to be sure you have safeguarded your contacts, bookmarks etc, then that happens automatically as long as you're signed into iCloud. You don't need to take any other action. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 25/09/2014, at 9:34 am, Billy Maynard biljm...@comcast.net wrote: hello again, I don't wanna backup the full phone. I only have 5 gig free. the phone has more than that if I back up everything. I just want the contacts and sefary bookmarks backed up. like I said they're on but, under storage and data icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs. I'm not sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being stored. That's all I want an d not the full phone backup. Billy Maynard - Original Message - From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM Subject: Re: iCloud You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your screen as well as which apps are on the phone. On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard biljm...@comcast.net wrote: hello, I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have contacts and sefary on but, when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of storage. under storage and data iCloud is off. Do I need this setting on so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince. This is my first iPhone upgrade. on data and storage under the backup heading where iCloud is off it says backup camra roll, accounts, documents and settings when the phone is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it to back up pictures is why I never turned this on. Thanks for any help, Billy Maynard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received
Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)
So, you don't find all that extra tapping to be kind of a pain in the backside? I guess that's good. It does seem rather inefficient. Not that they have a choice. I don't have a better suggestion, except for perhaps they might consider making another phone the size of the fives when the 5S is no longer in production. Fat chance though, I suppose. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:23 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: This feature works well. Iwould not worry about future products. John Diakogeorgiou On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller phones won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large screen market, since so many people seem to like that. But I would also like to know how those of you on here who get the larger phones are managing them one-handed. Mary Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Macworld Daily macwo...@newsletters.macworld.com Date: September 24, 2014 at 12:00:11 PM PDT To: motte...@gmail.com Subject: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) Reply-To: siteh...@macworld.com Follow: 09.24.2014 View in a Browser Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) 09.23.2014 1:10 PM Mo' screen size, mo' problems? Kirk McElhearn might return to his year-old iPhone 5s rather than suffer thumb-strain from using the iPhone 6 one-handed. iPhone 6 pocket problems: Some buyers report that sitting down bends phones 09.23.2014 12:20 PM Are you sitting on it wrong? -ADVERTISEMENT- MACWORLD SUPERGUIDES Check our Guides packed with practical how-tos, in-depth features, tips and tricks, and more! OS X ON MACWORLD Our award-winning editors keep you up to date How to downgrade your iPhone or iPad from iOS 8 to iOS 7 09.24.2014 3:30 AM iOS 8 has a lot of great features, but if your device doesn't behave well with it, you may wish to revert to iOS 7 (while you still can). 14 iPhone apps that use Touch ID 09.24.2014 3:00 AM From banking services to password managers, developers were quick to build Touch ID compatibility into their iOS 8 apps. Talko looks like a solution to the problem that iOS 8's Messages has already solved 09.23.2014 1:24 PM Software titan Ray Ozzie's new app offers live calling, but there's little else to distinguish this messaging app from what the iPhone already does natively. Apple quickly drops iOS 8.0.1 to fix HealthKit bug 09.24.2014 10:42 AM Some users experiencing issues with cellular connectivity and Touch ID after updating their software. Makin' copies: How to preserve automatically deleted iOS installers 09.24.2014 6:00 AM In the bad old days, Apple allowed iOS installer files to pile up. That's no longer the case but some people still want them. Chris Breen provides a way to automatically create them. The Week in iOS Accessories: Gear for your old iPhone that fits your new iPhone, too 09.24.2014 4:00 AM Instead of replacing an entire accessory arsenal, most of these products made for the iPhone 5/5s are also compatible with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Hands-on with Pebble Firmware 2.5; iOS 8 users get better notifications 09.23.2014 2:30 PM A small tweak to notifications makes the Pebble smartwatch much more useful. And there's new compass support too. Desktop PCs aren't bad, but Americans love TVs (and Apple!) the most 09.24.2014 11:10 AM The latest American Customer Satisfaction Index report finds that U.S. consumers overwhelmingly love their TVs, Apple, and yes, their comfy old desktop PCs. But Amerca's fascnation with computing devices in general is waning a bit. You are subscribed to this newsletter as: motte...@gmail.com More Macworld Newsletters / Manage Subscriptions / Unsubscribe IDG Consumer SMB Privacy Policy © 2014 IDGCSMB, 501 2nd Street, San Francisco, CA 94107 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,
Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)
I think that you will find the 6 more comfortable than you think. It is very comfortable anc easy to use with two hands. John Diakogeorgiou On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:39 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: So, you don't find all that extra tapping to be kind of a pain in the backside? I guess that's good. It does seem rather inefficient. Not that they have a choice. I don't have a better suggestion, except for perhaps they might consider making another phone the size of the fives when the 5S is no longer in production. Fat chance though, I suppose. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:23 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: This feature works well. Iwould not worry about future products. John Diakogeorgiou On Sep 24, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am really curious how people react to this article. I have a 5S, which I love. But operating the phone one-handed is very, very important to me. And this writer is playing right into my fear, that in future years smaller phones won't be available. I understand why Apple is chasing the large screen market, since so many people seem to like that. But I would also like to know how those of you on here who get the larger phones are managing them one-handed. Mary Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Macworld Daily macwo...@newsletters.macworld.com Date: September 24, 2014 at 12:00:11 PM PDT To: motte...@gmail.com Subject: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) Reply-To: siteh...@macworld.com Follow: 09.24.2014 View in a Browser Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe) 09.23.2014 1:10 PM Mo' screen size, mo' problems? Kirk McElhearn might return to his year-old iPhone 5s rather than suffer thumb-strain from using the iPhone 6 one-handed. iPhone 6 pocket problems: Some buyers report that sitting down bends phones 09.23.2014 12:20 PM Are you sitting on it wrong? -ADVERTISEMENT- MACWORLD SUPERGUIDES Check our Guides packed with practical how-tos, in-depth features, tips and tricks, and more! OS X ON MACWORLD Our award-winning editors keep you up to date How to downgrade your iPhone or iPad from iOS 8 to iOS 7 09.24.2014 3:30 AM iOS 8 has a lot of great features, but if your device doesn't behave well with it, you may wish to revert to iOS 7 (while you still can). 14 iPhone apps that use Touch ID 09.24.2014 3:00 AM From banking services to password managers, developers were quick to build Touch ID compatibility into their iOS 8 apps. Talko looks like a solution to the problem that iOS 8's Messages has already solved 09.23.2014 1:24 PM Software titan Ray Ozzie's new app offers live calling, but there's little else to distinguish this messaging app from what the iPhone already does natively. Apple quickly drops iOS 8.0.1 to fix HealthKit bug 09.24.2014 10:42 AM Some users experiencing issues with cellular connectivity and Touch ID after updating their software. Makin' copies: How to preserve automatically deleted iOS installers 09.24.2014 6:00 AM In the bad old days, Apple allowed iOS installer files to pile up. That's no longer the case but some people still want them. Chris Breen provides a way to automatically create them. The Week in iOS Accessories: Gear for your old iPhone that fits your new iPhone, too 09.24.2014 4:00 AM Instead of replacing an entire accessory arsenal, most of these products made for the iPhone 5/5s are also compatible with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Hands-on with Pebble Firmware 2.5; iOS 8 users get better notifications 09.23.2014 2:30 PM A small tweak to notifications makes the Pebble smartwatch much more useful. And there's new compass support too. Desktop PCs aren't bad, but Americans love TVs (and Apple!) the most 09.24.2014 11:10 AM The latest American Customer Satisfaction Index report finds that U.S. consumers overwhelmingly love their TVs, Apple, and yes, their comfy old desktop PCs. But Amerca's fascnation with computing devices in general is waning a bit. You are subscribed to this newsletter as: motte...@gmail.com More Macworld Newsletters / Manage Subscriptions / Unsubscribe IDG Consumer SMB Privacy Policy © 2014 IDGCSMB, 501 2nd Street, San Francisco, CA 94107 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message
One way Apple could better test its products
Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on using VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when Microsoft touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with keyboard shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same thing, but I think people who want to develop products for people with differing abilities should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes. Obviously, there are other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of pairs of shoes, but I bet it would work better for everyone as a result. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: My iPhone 6+ is here and it is HUGE and THIN!
I think the speaker sounds a bit better. John Diakogeorgiou On Sep 24, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. What about the speaker is that the same as earlier models or has it been improved. Best regards Annie. Den 24/09/2014 kl. 20.01 skrev Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com: I apologize for the cross-post but I know there are quite a few people on the macvoiceover list who are not on the viphone list. Yes, the 6+ is HUGE and THIN! Well, not really huge, I suppose, but huge in comparison with my 5 and 5S. I think it will be okay. It will give me a better opportunity to find things on the screen. Since I carry a fanny-pack around all the time with both phones and an assortment of those little Motorola hx550 bluetooth earphones and whatever else I may need, the size shouldn't be an issue for me. But honestly, I think those with pockets may want to look for a different carrying alternative, especially if your 5 or 5S fit perfectly but with not much room to spare. It's also definitely thinner and, one thing I hadn't known, the power button is placed differently. If I'm identifying correctly (it's still restoring from my iPhone 5 backup and syncing so I haven't locked/unlocked yet), the power button is not on the top right corner any more. Instead it is down the side a bit, the opposite side from the mute switch and volume buttons. It definitely has a different footprint from the 5 and 5S and most certainly from the 4S, but I think I will like it very much once I get used to it. I don't think the increased size makes it clunky; it still feels pretty to me. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: One way Apple could better test its products
Hi Neil, that is what the Apple accessibility department for. I know that they are a small team that is why they asked people like them to fix bugs. They go on with voiceover. In this case, it was not a voice over issue that was causing the problem. It was a service issue if you want to read all the threads. On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on using VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when Microsoft touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with keyboard shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same thing, but I think people who want to develop products for people with differing abilities should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes. Obviously, there are other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of pairs of shoes, but I bet it would work better for everyone as a result. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: One way Apple could better test its products
Hi, I did not write that message in response to any previous messages about 8.1 or 8.0. Just thought it would be a good idea. And yes, you're right about the accessibility team. But I bet there are people at Apple who have no clue what it is like to use their products as a person with a disability. I think Of course, they will never know, in that they can always take off their blindfolds or take out the ear plugs or take off the tented glasses. But who knows, they may learn something along side the accessibility team. Myself, I'd give a lot to know what it is like to operate the iPhone as a sighted person. Smile. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: One way Apple could better test its products Hi Neil, that is what the Apple accessibility department for. I know that they are a small team that is why they asked people like them to fix bugs. They go on with voiceover. In this case, it was not a voice over issue that was causing the problem. It was a service issue if you want to read all the threads. On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on using VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when Microsoft touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with keyboard shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same thing, but I think people who want to develop products for people with differing abilities should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes. Obviously, there are other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of pairs of shoes, but I bet it would work better for everyone as a result. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: One way Apple could better test its products
One day?? That would be nowhere near long enough. How well were you able to use the iPhone after 1 day? I think that a good source of information on testing would be the people who take calls on the phone number that especially for those who are handicapped. I'm thinking that they would have a better feel for our difficulties in using the devices than any of the other tech reps. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:56 PM Subject: One way Apple could better test its products Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on using VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when Microsoft touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with keyboard shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same thing, but I think people who want to develop products for people with differing abilities should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes. Obviously, there are other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of pairs of shoes, but I bet it would work better for everyone as a result. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two
Check the archives of the list. Instructions were given not all that long ago. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Jerry Mader To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:32 PM Subject: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two I would really like to downgrade back. I'm tired of these bugs. Is there any way to do that and how would I go about doing so? Thanks Jerry Mader -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two
Hi all, I'm still using my iPhone 5 and still running ios 7.12. I will not update to ios 8 do to all the major bugs in ios 8. I will wait until the bugs in ios 8 are fixed and the next update will come out. Hopefully by then all the major bugs in ios 8 won't be in ios 8.1. Lori and the Gipper -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Probably on one side or the other of a door. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Kerri To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:27 PM Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions where can I find knob? *** Cats know how we feel; they don't care, but they know. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Bending iphones?
I've never been in an auto accident, but that won't stop me from wearing a seat belt. Same goes for a motor cycle helmet when 4-wheeling or dirt biking through the desert near the Colorado river. Same for getting my iPhone into a case. Common sense tells me that protection may be needed, and if I don't get it, I might wish that I had done so later. But, then would be too late. I'm not forcing anyone to do what I think is best, but common sense tells me what to do. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Cheryl Homiak To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Bending iphones? To each his/her own! I don't try to tell people who want cases that they are sissies for not having one or that they are being over-protective, because I don't think that; I think they believe they are making what is a wise decision for them. Those of us who choose to go caseless, especially those who have gone caseless since the 3gs, know the risks and responsibilities and have made what we feel is the best decision for us. To discuss the pros and cons is healthy and good, but let's not push people to do what we do in this area no matter how strongly we feel about it for ourselves. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: You don't want to be an alarmist, but that's exactly what your message makes you out to be. No details given, and forwarding an apparent news blurb. If this is true, though, to all those who have iPhones and do not see the need for a case, now, do you see a potential need?? Better be safe than sorry. After all, thin aluminum is not rigid. A good sturdy case, on the other hand, is. A dollar in prevention is worth not having to replace an expensive phone. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:17 AM Subject: Bending iphones? Hi, I don't want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn't specify 6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying them around in their front shirt pockets. That's all I know. Hope it's nothing. Keep your ears to the ground. Keith -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All
Speak messages on locked screen?
I O S 8. I hear a notification tone when I get a message with my screen locked, but the message is not spoken as it was in IOS 7. In Accessibility there is an item that says 'speak messages always'; but it doesn't speak when the screen is locked. Is this true for everyone, or am I just special??? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Knfb reader and whole pages? and new member!
Hi! OK depending on how Jennifer, is trying to take the picture! It might be the setting for field of view is set on Landscape and Jennifer, is putting the item and phone in portrait! So I was wondering if changing the setting to Portrait will help Jennifer, and others having bad results in that rotation! If I'm coming across right the phone is in portrait but the app is looking in landscape! HTH Colin On 24 Sep 2014, at 15:42, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Jennifer, It should say that all 4 edges are visible. If you get the announcement that top and left or bottom and right or any combination of edges is visible you are either not lined up right or maybe you have to go a bit higher. Think of it that way: if it says top and right edge is visible, that means in order to also get the bottom edge you have to move down a bit. If you have the page in front of you in portrait mode that would mean closer to you. It also says the right edge is visible so you also have to move a bit to the left. If you do this and it now says top and left edge is visible you moved to far left but still not far enough down. If it suddenly says bottom and left is visible you moved too far down and too far left. I hope this makes sense to you. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Barr Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:23 AM To: iPhone List Subject: Knfb reader and whole pages? Hi all. I'm getting good scans with Knfb reader... but I can never get the whole page to show up. My field of view report always says the top or bottom edges are visible... what should it say? Any advice? Jennifer Barr Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Hi, Congratulations on your patience. You have to be an angel to have your phone crash 10 to 15 times a day and still not regret upgrading to IOS 8 I wish I had your patience Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is doin g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following
Money Reader
In iOS 8, Looktel Money Reader does not turn on the camera light in order to see a bill. VoiceOver says Money reader running, but nothing happens after that. it asked permission to access the camera, and I gave it. Settings says it is using the back facing camera, which is what I expected. But no identification is happening. Is there a setting somewhere I am missing? I deleted and reinstalled it, shut down the phone and shut it up again, ... no joy. thanks for any help. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS 8 and Phone Calls
No I haven't had any problems herring people on phone calls. Isaac Hebert hebertisaa...@gmail.com On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net wrote: Is anyone having issues with hearing people when making or receiving calls on their IPhone 5S? Several times since upgrading to IOS 8 I made calls and the person on the other end could not hear me. The same has happened when people have called me. I'd rather be infected with love for the tiniest sliver of a second than live a hundred years smothered by a lie.--Lena Haloway Blind Treasures sa...@blindtreasures.com PH: 804-726-8900 Web: www.blindtreasures.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Creating ringtones from songs with iTunes
Hello, I have been trying to put ringtones on my IPhone for about a week now. I’ve tried the instruction in an e-mail and I can’t figure out a couple of things. First: When I get to the part about creating an AAC version, those settings are unavailable to me. Second, I’ve also tried creating the ringtones using goldwav and making sure that I use the M4R extension to no avail. I know I must be doing something wrong or missed a step somewhere. Thanks! Eve -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple Accessibility
I have also wrote to apple accessibility about the numbers sticking when dialing a phone number in to the keypad. Isaac Hebert hebertisaa...@gmail.com On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote: Hi, I can confirm what you said. I also reported a bug to Apple Accessibility and along with the canned reply about that they had forwarded the message and so on, there came a message in which someone asked questions about the bug in question. Besides, in all the time i have had my IPhone i can't remember a bug that hasn't been fixed, but it may take some time. /Krister 24 sep 2014 kl. 17:13 skrev John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com: I just wanted to tell everyone to please report bugs. Apple Accessibility is listening. I sent them a bug report a few days ago. Today I received an email from them asking questions about my report. This tells me that they are working on the issues which we are reporting. Please continue to inform them in a positive and informative fashion. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
new to this list
Hello All! My name is Pam, I'm totally blind use voiceover exclusively. A friend just told me about this list. I have some questions. #1. What's the V for in the name of this list? Voiceover? #2. I've got a 2 year old IPhone 4S with Sprint am thinking of upgrading. Do you recommend: A. The 5S B. The new 6 C. I just wait awhile longer. I really appreciate any feedback on this. Thank You, Pam -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: iCloud
hi, Thanks for all your responces. Sometimes sadly I'm not clear as to what I'm trying to accomplish. I know but, getting it accross sometimes fails. Thank you all for your time and help. I hate to really get a 6+ running ios 8 consitering problums people have but, verizon is only honouring the upgrade of a 4s value at $200 untill the 30 of September. After that hte tradein value is only $40. I'm between a rock and a hardplace thus. I want to get the most tradein value I can so I have to upgrade now rather than later when ios 8 is a more stable thing. Again. Tahnk you all for your time and assistance in my indever. Sincerely, Billy Maynard - Original Message - From: John Diakogeorgiou To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 PM Subject: Re: iCloud Yes John Diakogeorgiou On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Billy Maynard biljm...@comcast.net wrote: hi again, I'll be trading in my old phone and probly reseting it to factory settings. if I log into Icloud using hte id I use for my 4s after reseting it Would my contacts and bookmarks stay in icloud if I don't erase them? As far as a incripted backup I really don't use itoons well. I'm using windows xp and jaws 10 so it's not really supported. Basicly I want my contacts from my 4s to stay in Icloud when I reset the 4s so I can grab them when I get the 6+. I'm sorry. I don't hink I'm being really clear here. Billy Maynard - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:38 PM Subject: Re: iCloud Hi Billy, if all you want is to be sure you have safeguarded your contacts, bookmarks etc, then that happens automatically as long as you're signed into iCloud. You don't need to take any other action. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 25/09/2014, at 9:34 am, Billy Maynard biljm...@comcast.net wrote: hello again, I don't wanna backup the full phone. I only have 5 gig free. the phone has more than that if I back up everything. I just want the contacts and sefary bookmarks backed up. like I said they're on but, under storage and data icloud backup isn't on.since the cloud says 5 gigs of 5 gigs. I'm not sure the contacts and sefary bookmarks are being stored. That's all I want an d not the full phone backup. Billy Maynard - Original Message - From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:20 PM Subject: Re: iCloud You need this on. You also need to make sure that the phone has been backed up. Once you've done this, it will remember the layout of your screen as well as which apps are on the phone. On 9/24/14, Billy Maynard biljm...@comcast.net wrote: hello, I'm just upgrading my first iphone (4s) upto a 6+ I on my 4 s have contacts and sefary on but, when I look under th iCloud I stil have 5 gigs of storage. under storage and data iCloud is off. Do I need this setting on so that when I reset my iPhone 4s to factory and get my 6+ to download my contacts and bookmarks?Sorry, I might be dince. This is my first iPhone upgrade. on data and storage under the backup heading where iCloud is off it says backup camra roll, accounts, documents and settings when the phone is plugged in and locked. I didn't tell it to back up pictures is why I never turned this on. Thanks for any help, Billy Maynard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are
Re: Speak messages on locked screen?
Sorry to disappoint you, you are not special, as I am having the problem to, and I think the notifications not being spoken in the lock screen but hearing the notification sound is one of the many many many bugs with VO in IOS8. On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Anna Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I O S 8. I hear a notification tone when I get a message with my screen locked, but the message is not spoken as it was in IOS 7. In Accessibility there is an item that says 'speak messages always'; but it doesn't speak when the screen is locked. Is this true for everyone, or am I just special??? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Knfb reader and whole pages?
Hi, It should say all 4 sides are visible. If you can't get that, try holding your camera a bit higher. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenifer Barr Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:23 AM To: iPhone List Subject: Knfb reader and whole pages? Hi all. I'm getting good scans with Knfb reader... but I can never get the whole page to show up. My field of view report always says the top or bottom edges are vissible... what should it say? Any advice? Jenifer Barr Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Wow David if that is true that is hilarious. What the heck is going on at Apple and when did they become such a clown company? LOL. On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:25 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the update is not planned for release until next week. An Apple engineer accidentally set it to public. Apple has already withdrawn the update once they discovered the error. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 25 Sep 2014, at 07:36, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I hate to say it, but I am hopeful that today's IOS 8.0.1 debacle will only help VO development in the future as after today Apple has a lot of egg on its face and I guess it just goes to show that it's not only VoiceOver that is being very poorly tested, as Apple needs to really reassess its testing and may be slow down the releases of operating systems. On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Thing is, I do use quite regularly Braille with my iPhone 5. I'm sure it is more stable on the 6 since the 6 has a 64 bit processor and better inner components. That, along with the sluggishness and the Braille issues, are the big reasons why I am staying with iOS 7, at least for now. Wayne On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: I've not seen VO crash on the 6. If you don't use braille or Bluetooth and are a bit tolerant you will be fine. On 9/24/14, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like I can wait a bit for the new phone, which should be here in at most another 2 weeks. Hopefully by then Apple will have put out a minor update or two to fix all the annoyances. I could put it on my 5, but given that several have reported VO crashing, I am not in that much of a hurry to get iOS 8. Besides, if the bugs persist, then I will get to endure them with everyone else on the brand new iPhone 6, oh boy. Wayne On 9/24/14, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote: I'm not having many problems on my phones and the instructions sent to me re: the rivvo helped me with all my bluetooth keyboards. Crashing is annoying but on my iPad, I much prefer it stopping and restarting to what it has sometimes done to me: stopping and hanging in the middle of an email so that i had to turn off vo, lock the iPad, unlock it and turn on vo again. For me, stopping and restarting and even some characters that repeat which I may have to delete are better than that: of course I'd rather have none of the above :-) -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major problems. Yes, VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm willing to put up with those problems, though, to get the braille input, interactive notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8 features. It's a personal choice, though, and if you don't want the bugs, there's no harm at all in waiting. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon. Wayne On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle
Re: Speak messages on locked screen?
I think it is because you are special, and because of that I too am special! it is a feature I miss and also cannot get it to work on my 5! -Original Message- From: Anna Byrne Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Speak messages on locked screen? I O S 8. I hear a notification tone when I get a message with my screen locked, but the message is not spoken as it was in IOS 7. In Accessibility there is an item that says 'speak messages always'; but it doesn't speak when the screen is locked. Is this true for everyone, or am I just special??? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Sending Audio In A Text.
You can also rase it to your hear to talk, then pull phone away and it will send, at least it does this on the 5s. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sending Audio In A Text. Do you mean using the audio feature in Messages. You have to double tap and hold on the record button and do not lift off of the button until you are done recording. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone; My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8. I am unable to reply. I also upgraded to IOS8. Please help? Thanks Anthony Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
John, If you remember, the very same thing happened with the IOS 7 and the iPhone 4. Apple said it would work but it turned out very slow and crashing. It did end up working very well when they cleaned out the bugs. I suspect the same thing will happen here. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is doin g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message
Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
LOL! funny charles. of course, the person meant KNFB reader. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:37 PM Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Probably on one side or the other of a door. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Kerri To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:27 PM Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions where can I find knob? *** Cats know how we feel; they don't care, but they know. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade. The key is, and you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the purposes that you do. The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's fullest potential. If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead and upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty. I know I need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not need to do. I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list
Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
I wouldn't go so far as saying it's a piece of crap, but what does concern me has been a recent pattern of poor quality assurance. Some problems with iOS 7 were fixed, and some we just learn to live with. Apple has the appearance of a company that is pushing things out the door entirely too quickly. When one does that, there are always consequences. I am watching what's going on, and waiting the moment before I update to iOS8. -Len On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: John, If you remember, the very same thing happened with the IOS 7 and the iPhone 4. Apple said it would work but it turned out very slow and crashing. It did end up working very well when they cleaned out the bugs. I suspect the same thing will happen here. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is doin g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the 35 or so VO bugs is
RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out
Neal, I think that Apple is trying so hard to satisfy the people who are impatient that they are cranking out the updates too fast and don't have time to properly check them. Having seen what has happened last year and this year also, I still think that they feel that timing to put out the new product is more important than coming out with the right thing from the get go. They set themselves a deadline and go crazy trying to stick to it and the result is what we get. I guess they have evaluated that their reputation can stand the problems and they seem to be right. No matter how many bugs there are, people seem to forgive Apple for putting out a product before it is ready. When people camp out on the sidewalk for two days to be the first to get the new product, I guess you don't have to worry about several dozen bugs. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is that they put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to pull it. I bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on the beta team, do you get to see these updates first, or is the testing of these done in house. This also raises the question of updates released that may, in fact, break things that already work. I guess we will have to wait and see, but I am curious about who tests the updates they release. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I imagine it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the iPhone6. On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma trea.a...@gmail.com wrote: I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved. From: Rich Ring mailto:richr...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Rich Ring mailto:richr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that the update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male gailcrowe1...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, It sure is! I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you beat me to it. LOL! - Original Message - From: mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com Cristóbal To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of accessibility fixes, but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any improvements on their devices... -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out
This is not a complaint, just an observation. I know lots of companies that tie the release of their next version to a particular time of year, and if it's not ready, well it just may go out anyway. I'm guessing that there are a lot of mid level workers at apple who likely knew this was not ready for prime time but the choice may have been made for them by the higher ups. Those mid-level workers may be just as frustrated as we are. After all, many of them use iOS 8 also. I just hope the managers who set the time for this release didn't let so many bugs in the house that it will be a very long process to kill them all. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out Neal, I think that Apple is trying so hard to satisfy the people who are impatient that they are cranking out the updates too fast and don't have time to properly check them. Having seen what has happened last year and this year also, I still think that they feel that timing to put out the new product is more important than coming out with the right thing from the get go. They set themselves a deadline and go crazy trying to stick to it and the result is what we get. I guess they have evaluated that their reputation can stand the problems and they seem to be right. No matter how many bugs there are, people seem to forgive Apple for putting out a product before it is ready. When people camp out on the sidewalk for two days to be the first to get the new product, I guess you don't have to worry about several dozen bugs. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is that they put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to pull it. I bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on the beta team, do you get to see these updates first, or is the testing of these done in house. This also raises the question of updates released that may, in fact, break things that already work. I guess we will have to wait and see, but I am curious about who tests the updates they release. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I imagine it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the iPhone6. On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma trea.a...@gmail.com wrote: I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was able to delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved. From: Rich Ring mailto:richr...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Rich Ring mailto:richr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that the update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male gailcrowe1...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, It sure is! I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm downloading it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to the list, but you beat me to it. LOL! - Original Message - From: mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com Cristóbal To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: iOS 8.0.1 is out Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of accessibility fixes, but maybe those who install it can comment on whehter they notice any improvements on their devices... -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is doin g, never
Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is! On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its
Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Yes, and I have seen similar things from just about every large company out there. In fact, I have seen similar things from most businesses. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 25 Sep 2014, at 08:52, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote: The only Issue I have is with the Safari bug but I’ve found a work around until Apple fixes this issue. I have ios 8 on my ipod touch 5th generation and won’t be updating my ipad mini. From: Alex Hall Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major problems. Yes, VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm willing to put up with those problems, though, to get the braille input, interactive notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8 features. It's a personal choice, though, and if you don't want the bugs, there's no harm at all in waiting. On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon. Wayne On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible isthat we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 andthat is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there
Re: Speak messages on locked screen?
Go to settings, general, accessibility, VoiceOver, and switch on speak notifications. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 25 Sep 2014, at 13:58, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: Sorry to disappoint you, you are not special, as I am having the problem to, and I think the notifications not being spoken in the lock screen but hearing the notification sound is one of the many many many bugs with VO in IOS8. On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Anna Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I O S 8. I hear a notification tone when I get a message with my screen locked, but the message is not spoken as it was in IOS 7. In Accessibility there is an item that says 'speak messages always'; but it doesn't speak when the screen is locked. Is this true for everyone, or am I just special??? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Well, I am so glad I saw this coming based on last year's experience. That's why I didn't upgrade yet and why I probably will wait at least to the release of 8.1. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is! On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Sharonda, Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for a while Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have supported it. On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote: First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me. But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice on and off. Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as well. I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up. Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out
A question about the health app.
Hi: I have an i-phone 5 and am running the 8.0 version, and I was working in the health app. It says that this can be activated from the lock screen, but I do not see a button to use this app when the screen is locked. It is say that this is turned on, so what else do I do to be able to use this app on a lock screen? Cathy Pilot Dog, Tiny: -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Texting withoud i message
Or buying her an iphone for her birthday! On 24 Sep 2014, at 22:25, Rob mr.robertc...@icloud.com wrote: OK, It seems that you have 2 options, 1 turn off iMessage before sending to that person, or 2. enable the option to send a text if iMessage is not available. When I try to text someone and they are not on wi-fi, the send iMessage button turns to send using text button. On 9/24/2014 12:52 AM, Harry Bell wrote: My partner has an iPad at home and an android phone she carries everywhere. If I want to text her and I know the iPad is at home switched off, it can be a bit of a struggle to ensure the message is not sent as an I message!! Harry On 23 Sep 2014, at 21:50, Rob mr.robertc...@icloud.com wrote: Hi, Why would you want to change it? Apple magically knows when you are texting to another apple device, so it sends as an iMessage. It does not count against your monthly text allowed by your cell provider. So, if it is not broke, why fix it? On 9/23/2014 3:23 PM, TaraPrakash wrote: Dear all Every time I send a text message My phone calls it and I message how do I make sure that might text goes as a regular message and not as I message thanks for any input about this Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two
How do I check the archives? I'm not sure how to do that. Thanks in advance. Sorry for asking a question that was already brought up on the list. I wasn't able to see half of my email because I have been having trouble with my computer so half of my emails had to be zapped. I just now got it working again. Could someone send me, off list a refresher on how to downgrade if possible?. I'd appreciate that, but if not could someone tell me how I could search the archives, and could you tell me what to search for by chance?. Thanks Jerry Mader _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two Check the archives of the list. Instructions were given not all that long ago. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Jerry Mader mailto:managem...@maderradio.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:32 PM Subject: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two I would really like to downgrade back. I'm tired of these bugs. Is there any way to do that and how would I go about doing so? Thanks Jerry Mader -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
