Re: [Vo]:Mylow Outted
William Beaty wrote: Anyone want to speculate on *why* people post huge involve hoax videos? It's not always money, not always disinformation. I bet it's just plain dishonesty. Some people are mild psychopaths, and for them, lying and truth aren't much different. Genuine discoveries are hard to do, On Sun, 24 May 2009, Terry Blanton wrote: And it was just phishin' line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrwfeature=channel Of course, the MIBs forced his to do it: http://pesn.com/2009/05/21/9501543_Mylow-fakery-forced/ If I had a dollar for every time someone has told me, They (The Oligarchy) won't allow a F E machine to come to market, I'd have a lot more money than I have now. Ed Storms noted that he has yet to have the M I B pay him a visit. I'm still looking for a machine which will answer Puthoff's One Watt Challenge. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
well, that wont put me into sleep dep. I go into rem about 4 minutes after falling asleep. i actually sleep BETTER in 1 hour cat naps. (And ive just found, thats a main symptom of narcolepsy. explains a lot actually) Something to remember. electrons don't actaully orbit the nucleus. they bounce around randomly, perhaps actually appearing and dissapearing, or, tunneling, within vague cloud like areas known as orbitals (because of the old Neils Bohr orbital model of the atom. ) These orbitals are actually what cause the transmission spectrums, the transmission spectra is based on an electron absorbing energy, temporarily getting a boost up to a higher orbital, then dropping back down in rank to where it was before. releasing a photon that is the exact energy, and thus frequency (and thus color) of the amount of energy difference between the two states. This is why each atom has a pretty unique spectrum, its based in large part on the top filled orbitals. When electrons are shared in a chemical bond, they bounce back and forth between the filled orbitals of the paired atoms, spending weekends with daddy and weeks with mommy (mommy being the most electronegative of the pair, if they arent the same atom) Now, this fact, based on the distances involved in chemical bonds, means that the electrons are jumping at least the actual radius of the atom more than they were before. And, i recall a video i saw in chemistry long ago that showed mapping of this electron motion. Basically, it showed the general shape of an orbital , the p orbital as i recall, formed by mapping the position of the electron as it moved. there were several outliers, like, edge of the screen dots. I asked my prof at the time if that meant the electron was now and then bouncing way outside of the orbital. His statement, i don't think so, i think its just noise, but it might be. (Favorite chem teacher ever. Was not afraid to say, I don't know. ) might that form of electron tunneling be your radio signal? jumping to orbitals that are the exact same energy, because its the same element at the same energy state? Alex On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:03 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: Im now imagining a rick moranis ribosome wandering around the cell, are you the gatekeeper? I am the keymaster. Give Moranis a radio direction finder, and it all becomes easy! Actually, my previous message was a lead-in to one of my old rants, http://amasci.com/tesla/biores.html Years ago I suffered a 'visionary experience,' and gained insights into all sorts of weird topics, plus much delusional crap which doesn't work when tested. Among it all was a tidbit: the idea that anomalous biological forces exist, forces which act like radio transmitters and receivers, with key-codes to allow biomolecules to be attracted together over many nanometers distance. At the time I was mostly unaware of the unsolved problem in biology, but I'd had suspicions. Heres the quick description: - Even though electrons orbiting atoms don't radiate photons, they do create an extremely intense AC field in the nearfield region surrounding the atom. It's related to AC Casmir forces. Physicists would see this as QM, as a field of virtual photons at the frequency of the atom's absorption line, an AC field of indeterminate phase, oriented along an indeterminate axis. Electrical engineers would imagine that every atom is a tiny AC electromagnet driven by a sinewave source. The atom's local field is AC, so there's no average force being applied to nearby matter. And atoms don't radiate continuously (i.e. there's no loss mechanism.) So, if an electron's period is in the infrared frequencies, the atom will have an AC field which extends outward to 1/4 infrared wavelength (or hundreds of nanometers.) So atoms are different than we believe. They're much larger. But only identical atoms could feel this large size. Example: sodium atoms possess an intense AC field at the sodium line frequency, and if two sodium atoms are ultra-cold and not moving fast with Doppler shift, the oscillations are identical for both atoms, synchronized. They act like bar magnets attracting each other. But these are AC electromagnets. They only see other sodiums, and won't respond to other atoms having a different frequency. But what if two sodium atoms happen to be out of phase? Even if they have identical frequency, might they not repel instead of attracting? Well, that's the same problem as two magnets having their poles out of orientation. Like two magnets they'd experience repulsion, a torque, then they'd flip themselves around, attract, and slam together. (Atoms could only slam together if ultra-cold and not being jostled thermally.) - Molecules: Two atoms with identical frequencies, if bound together into a molecule, will create a line split frequency, a double-hump spectrum
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
On Sat, 30 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: well, that wont put me into sleep dep. I go into rem about 4 minutes after falling asleep. i actually sleep BETTER in 1 hour cat naps. (And ive just found, thats a main symptom of narcolepsy. explains a lot actually) People in the uberman/polyphasic sleep community think it's a learnable behavior. Perhaps it helps to start out with unusual brain chemistry! But at least in my own case, my creative insanity switches on only when I carefully avoid processed food (normal american chow). Heh: and then I start getting city parking spaces at the Jedi Master level of anomalous luck. Something to remember. electrons don't actaully orbit the nucleus. Yep, that's the visualizable grade-school diagram. (Or the diagram of Rydberg atoms in the process of decay.) How can we explain the nature of EM fields in the nearfield region of a very small, sharply tuned RLC resonator? Say that it's being driven by the Casmir background, and so cannot radiate. But that doesn't mean it lacks strong fields in the nearfield region. The danger is that we'd note the lack of real photons being emitted by an atom's electron cloud, conclude that no AC fields exist in the nearfield region, therefore assume no significant EM interactions exist between two distant atoms. But transformers and capacitors are fundamentally different than pairs of distant radio antennas, and they work fine at frequencies with waves too long to radiate. The lack of light photons does not imply a lack of strong coupling between two nearby coils. (Transformers and capacitors function entirely by tunneling photons, of course.) These orbitals are actually what cause the transmission spectrums, the transmission spectra is based on an electron absorbing energy, If I try to boil down all the weird ideas that popped into my head, then here's the real question: do atoms experience significant Vanderwaals forces with nearby atoms of the same species, but not with atoms of different species? (Nearby, as in 50 nanometers, not molecular bond lengths.) The only experiments I've encountered are the very recent ones involving an AFM tip separated from a surface by many nanometers. The tip experiences a large unexplained friction, but only if the tip carries a tiny crystal of the same material of which the nearby surface is composed. In other words, an atom isn't attracted to a similar surface, but instead it causes the surface atoms to emit phonons into the crystal lattice whenever the single atom tries to move nearby. The single atom behaves as if it's trapped in electromagnetic flypaper. And the single atom is far far outside the atomic diameters of the surface atoms. Knowing that there's something weird going on in the tens-nM atomic region, I'd been waiting for such an experiment to crop up. I saw that QM is still incomplete, because people think that atoms are fundamentally different than tiny metal antennas. On the other hand, this topic isn't outside of physics. Instead it's filed under VanderWaals interaction, little understood, little studied, and not given high importance. You can look up VanderWaals explanations and find they cover some of what I'm talking about: an atom's electron cloud undergoes a QM noise fluctuation, creating non-uniform charge distribution, creating a huge EM field which can affect distant atoms by provoking a similar fluctuation But what if the two atoms are of the same element? Then they contain matched resonators, and the energy being borrowed from the virtual sea may be larger than when it's frequency is far from an absorption/emission line. might that form of electron tunneling be your radio signal? jumping to orbitals that are the exact same energy, because its the same element at the same energy state? Definitely. It's nonradiative, brief, virtual-existing tunneling events. The atom constantly emits a line spectrum but absorbs it simultaneously, so no real photons escape. No light, but only the coil/capacitor fields of macroscopic components in oscillation. Or here's another way to say it: a lone electron is surrounded by an intense field of virtual photons, same as a lone proton. Let them combine to form a hydrogen atom, and what happens to this photon population? The textbooks I've encountered don't discuss it. Are they assuming that, since the ground state orbital has a spherical shape, therefore any EM field must be radial and entirely contained inside the orbital? Well, what happens if experiments show otherwise. And also, what happens if another hydrogen atom is passing by at 30nM distance? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:magnetic motor
I have previously heard of this Australian inventor claims that his motor produces 24 KW. Has anybody heard anything about him lately? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_MNR=1 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:magnetic motor
From Thomas: I have previously heard of this Australian inventor claims that his motor produces 24 KW. Has anybody heard anything about him lately? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_MNR=1 It was fun to watch. Nevertheless, the YouTube video seems to follow a same pattern of similar inventions of this nature: We are given a promising presentation but with little substance to back up such claims. No where in this report is there any indication that the inventors have closed the loop. What the inventors seem to claim is that the device generates approximately five times the amount of power it consumes. What That claim in itself should raise in immediate red flag. If this device is generating that much output power versus input power consumed the inventors should have closed the loop long, long, LONG ago. The device shouldn't need to have to consume ANY outside power whatsoever. The fact that there does not appear to be any indication that that the inventors have actually done so should immediately draw harsh suspicion. Perhaps the You-Tube video was badly edited and important facts were left out. I hope so. But I doubt it. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
leaking pen wrote: Something to remember. electrons don't actually orbit the nucleus. they bounce around randomly, perhaps actually appearing and dissapearing, or, tunneling, within vague cloud like areas known as orbitals (because of the old Neils Bohr orbital model of the atom. ) Perhaps the nucleus is a toroid and the electrons go through the hole in the center. When electrons are shared in a chemical bond, they bounce back and forth between the filled orbitals of the paired atoms, spending weekends with daddy and weeks with mommy (mommy being the most electronegative of the pair, if they arent the same atom) Now, this fact, based on the distances involved in chemical bonds, means that what a classic Generation X analogy! but it might be. (Favorite chem teacher ever. Was not afraid to say, I don't know. ) wonderful teacher might that form of electron tunneling be your radio signal? jumping to orbitals that are the exact same energy, because its the same element at the same energy state? Why not, radio waves are electromagnetic radiation, ditto for light. . --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:H. G. Wells describes our predicament in 1913
H. G. Wells described the situation with cold fusion in his 1913 S.F. novel The World Set Free which is about nuclear energy. A character describes the world as it was before the coming of ultra-cheap, plentiful nuclear energy and a nuclear war: . . . Everywhere there were obsolete organisations seizing upon all the new fine things that science was giving to the world, nationalities, all sorts of political bodies, the churches and sects, proprietorship, seizing upon those treat powers and limitless possibilities and turning them to evil uses. And they would not suffer open speech, they would not permit of education, they would let no one be educated to the needs of the new time You who are younger cannot imagine the mixture of desperate hope and protesting despair in which we who could believe in the possibilities of science lived in those years before atomic energy came 'It was not only that the mass of people would not attend, would not understand, but that those who did understand lacked the power of real belief. They said the things, they saw the things, and the things meant nothing to them 'I have been reading some old papers lately. It is wonderful how our fathers bore themselves towards science. They hated it. They feared it. They permitted a few scientific men to exist and work—a pitiful handful 'Don't find out anything about us,' they said to them; 'don't inflict vision upon us, spare our little ways of life from the fearful shaft of understanding. But do tricks for us, little limited tricks. Give us cheap lighting. And cure us of certain disagreeable things, cure us of cancer, cure us of consumption, cure our colds and relieve us after repletion' http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1059/1059-h/1059-h.htm Chapter 1, Section 3 of this book reads like my book. No coincidentally; I read this years ago, before it was converted to e-text. So did Arthur Clarke, of course, and it was one of the inspirations for Profiles of the Future. To find this section look for this text: Holsten, before he died, was destined to see atomic energy dominating every other source of power, but for some years yet a vast network of difficulties in detail and application kept the new discovery from any effective invasion of ordinary life. . . . - Jed
[Vo]:Jack Sarfatti' paper on the ZPE
Someone mentioned the Sarfatti name, and I Goggled Jack. The paper goes along like a standard scientific treatise and then suddenly he throws in some totally off the wall gibberish about UFO's traveling through worm holes. I've heard that Jack and Hal Puthoff don't get along. He criticized Hal, but didn't put him in the credits. http://stardrive.org/Jack/Casimir.pdf --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:H. G. Wells describes our predicament in 1913
Brilliant sage that he was, he did not quite get the nuclear bomb right: Those used by the Allies were lumps of pure Carolinum, painted on the outside with unoxidised cydonator inducive enclosed hermetically in a case of membranium. A little celluloid stud between the handles by which the bomb was lifted was arranged so as to be easily torn off and admit air to the inducive, which at once became active and set up radio-activity in the outer layer of the Carolinum sphere. This liberated fresh inducive, and so in a few minutes the whole bomb was a blazing continual explosion. It was more like a giant fire than an explosion. I also hope he did not get the War of the Worlds right. :-) Terry On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: H. G. Wells described the situation with cold fusion in his 1913 S.F. novel The World Set Free which is about nuclear energy. A character describes the world as it was before the coming of ultra-cheap, plentiful nuclear energy and a nuclear war: . . . Everywhere there were obsolete organisations seizing upon all the new fine things that science was giving to the world, nationalities, all sorts of political bodies, the churches and sects, proprietorship, seizing upon those treat powers and limitless possibilities and turning them to evil uses. And they would not suffer open speech, they would not permit of education, they would let no one be educated to the needs of the new time You who are younger cannot imagine the mixture of desperate hope and protesting despair in which we who could believe in the possibilities of science lived in those years before atomic energy came 'It was not only that the mass of people would not attend, would not understand, but that those who did understand lacked the power of real belief. They said the things, they saw the things, and the things meant nothing to them 'I have been reading some old papers lately. It is wonderful how our fathers bore themselves towards science. They hated it. They feared it. They permitted a few scientific men to exist and work—a pitiful handful 'Don't find out anything about us,' they said to them; 'don't inflict vision upon us, spare our little ways of life from the fearful shaft of understanding. But do tricks for us, little limited tricks. Give us cheap lighting. And cure us of certain disagreeable things, cure us of cancer, cure us of consumption, cure our colds and relieve us after repletion' http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1059/1059-h/1059-h.htm Chapter 1, Section 3 of this book reads like my book. No coincidentally; I read this years ago, before it was converted to e-text. So did Arthur Clarke, of course, and it was one of the inspirations for Profiles of the Future. To find this section look for this text: Holsten, before he died, was destined to see atomic energy dominating every other source of power, but for some years yet a vast network of difficulties in detail and application kept the new discovery from any effective invasion of ordinary life. . . . - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Jack Sarfatti' paper on the ZPE
Jack don't get along wit' nobody. 'Cept maybe Uri Geller. Terry On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:30 AM, thomas malloy temal...@usfamily.net wrote: Someone mentioned the Sarfatti name, and I Goggled Jack. The paper goes along like a standard scientific treatise and then suddenly he throws in some totally off the wall gibberish about UFO's traveling through worm holes. I've heard that Jack and Hal Puthoff don't get along. He criticized Hal, but didn't put him in the credits. http://stardrive.org/Jack/Casimir.pdf --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:10 AM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: People in the uberman/polyphasic sleep community think it's a learnable behavior. Perhaps it helps to start out with unusual brain chemistry! But at least in my own case, my creative insanity switches on only when I carefully avoid processed food (normal american chow). Heh: and then I start getting city parking spaces at the Jedi Master level of anomalous luck. Really? I should look them up. If its causing my blood sugar issues and falling asleep at work, id almost be willing to do something to change the no no i wouldnt. I LOVE being able to take a 5 minute nap and have a 15 minute subjective time frame dream. To digress just a little, I discovered your essays on the wave nature of traffic about a month before getting my license (got it at 22. Just didn't need one sooner, i took the bus everywhere. ) and had a massive impact on my driving style. Without speeding, i always get places before friends that speed becuase , Being unworried, relaxed, letting the road itself dictate things, i get openings when i need them to change lanes just appearing before me, my lights are always green, and people pull out of parking spots right in front of me the moment i enter the lot. Friends of mine riding with me are mystified and amazed. And i find that if im running late, in a rush, harried, angry, wanting everything to move faster. I get screwed with red lights, walls of cars, and no spots to park. I actually bought a website, churchoftheroad, to do a little something about that kind of thing, but, alas, still is a blank page. But i digress.. Something to remember. electrons don't actaully orbit the nucleus. Yep, that's the visualizable grade-school diagram. (Or the diagram of Rydberg atoms in the process of decay.) How can we explain the nature of EM fields in the nearfield region of a very small, sharply tuned RLC resonator? Say that it's being driven by the Casmir background, and so cannot radiate. But that doesn't mean it lacks strong fields in the nearfield region. The danger is that we'd note the lack of real photons being emitted by an atom's electron cloud, conclude that no AC fields exist in the nearfield region, therefore assume no significant EM interactions exist between two distant atoms. But transformers and capacitors are fundamentally different than pairs of distant radio antennas, and they work fine at frequencies with waves too long to radiate. The lack of light photons does not imply a lack of strong coupling between two nearby coils. (Transformers and capacitors function entirely by tunneling photons, of course.) These orbitals are actually what cause the transmission spectrums, the transmission spectra is based on an electron absorbing energy, If I try to boil down all the weird ideas that popped into my head, then here's the real question: do atoms experience significant Vanderwaals forces with nearby atoms of the same species, but not with atoms of different species? (Nearby, as in 50 nanometers, not molecular bond lengths.) Well, vanderwall includes so called London Forces, yes? I was under the impression that those occured between dissimilar atoms, for example, the london forces in water that cause its high viscosity and surface tension occure between O in one atom and H in another. But then, there are many forces included as vanderwall, yes? Is there a particular one you are thinking of that I could hunt down and look more at? The only experiments I've encountered are the very recent ones involving an AFM tip separated from a surface by many nanometers. The tip experiences a large unexplained friction, but only if the tip carries a tiny crystal of the same material of which the nearby surface is composed. In other words, an atom isn't attracted to a similar surface, but instead it causes the surface atoms to emit phonons into the crystal lattice whenever the single atom tries to move nearby. The single atom behaves as if it's trapped in electromagnetic flypaper. And the single atom is far far outside the atomic diameters of the surface atoms. I will have to hunt that one down as well. Very cool. Knowing that there's something weird going on in the tens-nM atomic region, I'd been waiting for such an experiment to crop up. I saw that QM is still incomplete, because people think that atoms are fundamentally different than tiny metal antennas. On the other hand, this topic isn't outside of physics. Instead it's filed under VanderWaals interaction, little understood, little studied, and not given high importance. I saw a quote from a fiction character in a webcomic i read recently that made me laugh. Quantum Mechanics is a lot like religion. One side endeavors to prove their answer is correct by twisting facts and ignoring others, to make their version of reality fit, no matter how stupid it
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:44 AM, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net wrote: leaking pen wrote: Something to remember. electrons don't actually orbit the nucleus. they bounce around randomly, perhaps actually appearing and dissapearing, or, tunneling, within vague cloud like areas known as orbitals (because of the old Neils Bohr orbital model of the atom. ) Perhaps the nucleus is a toroid and the electrons go through the hole in the center. That would be the f orbital. http://www.chemistry.ucsc.edu/~soliver/151A/Handouts/d-orbitals.gif When electrons are shared in a chemical bond, they bounce back and forth between the filled orbitals of the paired atoms, spending weekends with daddy and weeks with mommy (mommy being the most electronegative of the pair, if they arent the same atom) Now, this fact, based on the distances involved in chemical bonds, means that what a classic Generation X analogy! Considering that the parents who actually have such a setup are generally boomers with their gen x kids, I figured it would be as classic an analogy for the generation that actually HAD such a high number of divorces and split up kids. But hey, whatever floats your boat. but it might be. (Favorite chem teacher ever. Was not afraid to say, I don't know. ) wonderful teacher might that form of electron tunneling be your radio signal? jumping to orbitals that are the exact same energy, because its the same element at the same energy state? Why not, radio waves are electromagnetic radiation, ditto for light. . --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:H. G. Wells describes our predicament in 1913
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: . . . Everywhere there were obsolete organisations seizing upon all the new fine things that science was giving to the world, nationalities, all sorts of political bodies, the churches and sects, proprietorship, seizing upon those treat powers and limitless possibilities and turning them to evil uses. And they would not suffer open speech, they would not permit of education, they would let no one be educated to the needs of the new time You who are younger cannot imagine the mixture of desperate hope and protesting despair in which we who could believe in the possibilities of science lived in those years before atomic energy came For this, Wells could be labelled communist -- as would anybody advocating, or even simply predicting, major social upheaval such as this. Which would include the inhabitants of Vortexia as well, BTW... However, Wells' actual Fabian roots show thru in his The Shape of Things to Come. Especially in the movie version (not his fault, wot). - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoiz4MACgkQXo3EtEYbt3Eq3QCg0GlzTJoLq9oJRgLPUoIxniXh PZAAn1f9kedsKghWajxdqtwYrZuctcSC =aA7D -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
I love the tuned circuit theory. This DNA video is very fascinating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jtmOZaIvS0feature=related This textillian version shows the nucleotides swarming into place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dveIc7svytI With all these radio signals in the cell, I wonder what prevents intermodulation distortion from causing interference? Terry On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:36 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2009, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/04/does-dna-have-t.html Does DNA Have Telepathic Properties? Terry, there's also a DNA Telepathy announcement from two or three years back, where two portions of DNA crystal were found to have identical segments via fluorescent tagging ...even though they were on either side of a membrane, and separated by many nanometers. Someone here at the UW published a paper on it. Search on dna telepathy for old hits? Here's one http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080124103151.htm Also, there's an enormous unsolved problem in biology which is similar to this 'telepathy' problem, yet nobody talks about it: In living cells, how to keys and locks almost instantly find each other over vast distances, and how can they do it in an environment where organized water behaves as a solid at the micro-level? This problem becomes very obvious in the famous Harvard animation of the workings of a cell, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZZ3DD_tV9k http://multimedia.mcb.harvard.edu/media.html Watch ribosomes come flying in from a distance, then somehow finding and docking to a pore on the nucleus membrane. What attracts them to the membrane? How to they find the pore itself? Wouldn't there have to be some kind of weird, key-lock attractive force that pulls that particular pore-type protein to that particular ribosome-type protein? And next, immediately the film shows another mystery, where the tip of a nucleus RNA comes flying up from below, docks with the pore/ribosome assembly, and starts running the tape to assemble a protein. Why was the tip of the RNA strand attracted to the nuclear membrane? How could it seek out the membrane pore? (Stupid hint, grin: imagine that the video takes place in total darkness, so the molecules can't see where to go!) In other parts of the film, the animators didn't solve the mystery by illustrating unknown forces which nobody talks about. Instead they did it by cheating. When a fiber of actin or tubulin assembles itself, the animators simply created a film of these fibers dissolving, with all the broken parts diffusing away. THEN THEY RAN THE FILM BACKWARDS! It's a total violation of 3rd law entropy, with time running backwards. Molecules come flying in from vast distances and link onto the growing fiber tip. What force drives this amazing phenomenon? More importantly, what forces select the proper type of molecule subunit, and only attracts that type of molecule towards the growing end of the fiber? What mechanism can make it seem that time can run backwards, to assemble subcellular fibers? Nobody knows. Long ago it was explained by diffusion. But then calculations showed that diffusion took too much time. Then years later the discovery of solid organized intracellular water made the problem even more inexplicable. I suspect that the real problem is psychological: Since we KNOW that cellular biology has nearly all problems solved, and no huge revolutions in biological science happen anymore, therefore it's impossible that any vast unknown could still exist. (If it did, it would make our contemporary science look ignorant and primitive, like something from last century! ) So, there's really nothing left to explore, at least nothing big. We're only cleaning up the details, such as the protein-folding mystery. And so, if an entire community of smart and highly trained people looks directly at an enormous unsolved problem ...they won't see it. They're selectively blind. And it's not even the complicated problems that they miss. It's the obvious ones that even little kids would point out. Daddy, why does the continent of Africa fit onto south America like two pieces of a puzzle? Mommy, why does that animation of molecules look like time is running backwards? If mommy is a cell biologist, then... shut up kid, you aren't smart enough to understand. But the little kid is right. DNA has been found to have a bizarre ability to put itself together, even at a distance, when according to known science it shouldn't be able to. Explanation: None, at least not yet. What's realy amazing: your news item causes a stir, when most of the simplest cellular processes require that the molecules somehow must be attracted together over a distance, as if keys and locks with matching codes: can sense each other. Scientists are reporting evidence that contrary to our current
Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net mounted the barricade and roared out: It seems to me also true the probability of mating itself may change due to mutations, and this is a form of of natural selection. The gradual development of an appearance change amongst a sub-population of a species could gradually isolate that group genetically, even though it is not isolated geographically. The classic example of this being an ongoing fact all at once in the Here and Now, is with ring species: http://bio.research.ucsc.edu/~barrylab/classes/animal_behavior/SPECIATE.HTM I'll bet you don't get THAT gene meme in the Bible. - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoi4NYACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GLVwCg7SHbxK3WAvMf7waCC8Rgs1bB 8eUAoJDAhnpDd1Qm96YgzV1yxNfnPSwK =cIdl -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:H. G. Wells describes our predicament in 1913
so you anticipate a nuclear war in the middle of the 21st century thanks to cold fusion? harry - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:00 pm Subject: [Vo]:H. G. Wells describes our predicament in 1913 H. G. Wells described the situation with cold fusion in his 1913 S.F. novel The World Set Free which is about nuclear energy. A character describesthe world as it was before the coming of ultra-cheap, plentiful nuclear energy and a nuclear war: . . . Everywhere there were obsolete organisations seizing upon all the new fine things that science was giving to the world, nationalities, all sorts of political bodies, the churches and sects, proprietorship, seizing upon those treat powers and limitless possibilities and turning them to eviluses. And they would not suffer open speech, they would not permit of education, they would let no one be educated to the needs of the new time You who are younger cannot imagine the mixture of desperate hope and protesting despair in which we who could believe in the possibilities of science lived in those years before atomic energy came 'It was not only that the mass of people would not attend, would not understand, but that those who did understand lacked the power of real belief. They said the things, they saw the things, and the things meantnothing to them 'I have been reading some old papers lately. It is wonderful how our fathers bore themselves towards science. They hated it. They feared it. They permitted a few scientific men to exist and work—a pitiful handful 'Don't find out anything about us,' they said to them; 'don't inflict vision upon us, spare our little ways of life from the fearful shaft of understanding. But do tricks for us, little limited tricks. Give us cheaplighting. And cure us of certain disagreeable things, cure us of cancer, cure us of consumption, cure our colds and relieve us after repletion' http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1059/1059-h/1059-h.htm Chapter 1, Section 3 of this book reads like my book. No coincidentally; I read this years ago, before it was converted to e-text. So did Arthur Clarke, of course, and it was one of the inspirations for Profiles of the Future. To find this section look for this text: Holsten, before he died, was destined to see atomic energy dominating every other source of power, but for some years yet a vast network of difficultiesin detail and application kept the new discovery from any effective invasion of ordinary life. . . . - Jed
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
On Sun, 31 May 2009, Terry Blanton wrote: I love the tuned circuit theory. This DNA video is very fascinating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jtmOZaIvS0feature=related Good one! Floating proteins come wiggling in from afar and find their docking site. Now I recall I first encountered the topic around 1985, when trying to build a museum exhibit device to demonstrate an active site on a molecule: a set of magnets in a pattern, and a corresponding set of opposite magnets. There was no attraction until a tiny fraction of a nanometer. But even if real molecules could attract enzymes from 10X farther, they couldn't suck in enzymes from more than a few atomic diameters distance. But in order to function, biochem would need to pull in enzymes from hundreds of atom-diameter distances (if not tens of thousands.) This textillian version shows the nucleotides swarming into place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dveIc7svytI With all these radio signals in the cell, I wonder what prevents intermodulation distortion from causing interference? Narrowband transmitters and receivers! VERY narrow band, using high-Q superconducting tuning coils, and no modulation other than the line-splitting of one or more closely-coupled resonators. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
--- On Sun, 5/31/09, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: Good one! Floating proteins come wiggling in from afar and find their I have had the pop-science idea that the reason the proteins, and other bits and pieces, found their mates, and found them so quickly, was that at their scales, just randomly moving around meant that they were destined to come near one another in a very short period of time. If they had some help from electrical forces which tended to pull them together when they were in the vicinity of each other, then the two factors guaranteed that adenine would quickly unite with thymine, guanine with cytosine, etc., etc. So, even if they were relatively far apart to start with, should this make much difference in their being able to get together?
[Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
People in the uberman/polyphasic sleep community think it's a learnable behavior. Perhaps it helps to start out with unusual brain chemistry! Really? I should look them up. Search for blogs, uberman or polyphasic keyword. Various people have managed to trigger the Uberman sleep mode. I did it accidentally while working on huge software deadlines. It lasts at least for weeks, once you get into it. You could go and work for three employers, if they were jobs that allowed ten-minute naps every few hours. Be like Tesla, coming home at 6AM to go to work on personal projects, then get back to Edison's company at 10AM for a full day of normal work. (But did Tesla's sleep habits cause his hallucinatory and photographic memory experiences, or the reverse?) If its causing my blood sugar issues and falling asleep at work, id almost be willing to do something to change the no no i wouldnt. That's exactly it: if you're trapped in polyphasic sleep, then you're hypersensitive to bread/pasta/rice/potatoes and anything full of corn syrup, such as spaghetti sauce. Normal food screws you up. Or more crackpotty: you have to eat living things, or meat that was cooked minutes ago, no leftovers (though oddly, smoked meat seems to work.) I was forced, FORCED I tell you, to survive entirely on nuts, artisan beer, and fresh salmon and herbs w/asparagus, cooked in the microwave at work. Also I found that I needed larger amounts of zinc, so started taking supplements. Some brands didn't work though. letting the road itself dictate things, i get openings when i need them to change lanes just appearing before me, my lights are always green, and people pull out of parking spots right in front of me the moment i enter the lot. Ah, that's exactly the Jedi Master effect. If you're in polyphasic sleep, it's as if the gods are watching you, and doling out anomalous synchronicity rewards and punishment based on your petty acts of self- importance verus saintliness. Well, more probably your subconscious is awake and watching your tiny conscious personality, and giving it ethical lessons. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
On Sun, 31 May 2009, Rhong Dhong wrote: I have had the pop-science idea that the reason the proteins, and other bits and pieces, found their mates, and found them so quickly, was that at their scales, just randomly moving around meant that they were destined to come near one another in a very short period of time. I think that's the assumption made by the biochem community: it has to be explained by pure diffusion (random wandering and re-tries.) When I started questioning this, someone pointed out an old paper that actually tried some statistical calcs for one particular setup, and found that diffusion was orders of magnitude too slow to explain the reaction rates. Let me see if I can find the ref. Ah, it;s at the bottom of http://amasci.com/tesla/biores.html, below the links Here's one I remember. When a ribosome is spewing out a protein, it has to wait for the previous tRNA to move away, then it has to wait for one special tRNA with matched anticodon out of a large number of unmatched ones, to randomly drift in and dock at the ribosome. It's like shaking up a bag of keys, with one padlock, and waiting long enough for the right key to randomly get positioned near the keyhole. Then the lock changes code, and has to repeat the whole process. The sequence has to occur fast enough to explain the rate of protein synthesis by ribosomes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6O6uRb1D38 But that was old ideas, and today we know that water in cells is a near solid, organized water, so diffusion of large molecules is greatly slowed. So the rate of protein synthesis is even more inexplicable than before. If the ribosome can issue a radio call for the next matched tRNA, ignore the unmatched ones, and have the matched one be ferried into place by electrically biased diffusion, much is explained. As you say, diffusion would succeed over short scales, if there was some other force operating over long length scales. If they had some help from electrical forces which tended to pull them together when they were in the vicinity of each other, then the two factors guaranteed that adenine would quickly unite with thymine, guanine with cytosine, etc., etc. So, even if they were relatively far apart to start with, should this make much difference in their being able to get together? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
On Sun, 31 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: If I try to boil down all the weird ideas that popped into my head, then here's the real question: do atoms experience significant Vanderwaals forces with nearby atoms of the same species, but not with atoms of different species? (Nearby, as in 50 nanometers, not molecular bond lengths.) Well, vanderwall includes so called London Forces, yes? I was under the impression that those occured between dissimilar atoms, for example, the london forces in water that cause its high viscosity and surface tension occure between O in one atom and H in another. Right, I've been labeling London force as VanderWaals. So basically I'm asking whether the London force is stronger between atoms which have matched absorption lines. The simple example would be two large-N atoms of the same element having many matched lines, though I recall that mercury and O2 has a match. Hmmm, now that you say the above, isn't the temperature of liquid Argon, Neon, etc. determined by the London force? Mix liquid argon with neon in 1:1 mixture, so they start keeping each other apart, and see if the boiling point gets weird. But if the force is strong over great distances, then maybe we'd see little effect. How about vapor pressure over a liquid argon surface. If there was attraction, then perhaps in a vacuum chamber the argon pressure within 10nM of the liquid argon surface would be inexplicably high, or perhaps the condensation rate seen during transients in vapor pressure would be higher than that predicted purely from first principles, thermo stats. Here's one possible ref: Search keywords: Volokitin Persson Non-contact friction enhanced by resonant atoms http://www.aip.org/pnu/2003/split/652-3.html Seriously, things not given high importance always seem to be where the breakthroughs and answers come from, dont they? Yeah, Vanderwaals force always seemed intriguing, only because everybody else is only fascinated by things like numerical solution of covalent bond physics. field must be radial and entirely contained inside the orbital? Well, what happens if experiments show otherwise. And also, what happens if another hydrogen atom is passing by at 30nM distance? My only question is how this tunneling creates an attraction. Is the electron actually imparting a force moving the atoms closer together while doing it? Photon tunneling is also called magnetic field and electric field. How could tiny electric dipoles attract each other? Whether DC fields, or AC fields at the same frequency, I think the math is identical. But now add a ferroelectric environment: liquid environment of water dipoles. One might imagine that the ferroelectric liquid would behave as a shield. But perhaps at short length scales it doesn't? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
http://tinyurl.com/mqpszt has some info on london forces and their effect on boiling temp. heres some thougts on similar materials and weights and mp and bp. http://cost.georgiasouthern.edu/chemistry/general/molecule/forces.htm On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: If I try to boil down all the weird ideas that popped into my head, then here's the real question: do atoms experience significant Vanderwaals forces with nearby atoms of the same species, but not with atoms of different species? (Nearby, as in 50 nanometers, not molecular bond lengths.) Well, vanderwall includes so called London Forces, yes? I was under the impression that those occured between dissimilar atoms, for example, the london forces in water that cause its high viscosity and surface tension occure between O in one atom and H in another. Right, I've been labeling London force as VanderWaals. So basically I'm asking whether the London force is stronger between atoms which have matched absorption lines. The simple example would be two large-N atoms of the same element having many matched lines, though I recall that mercury and O2 has a match. Hmmm, now that you say the above, isn't the temperature of liquid Argon, Neon, etc. determined by the London force? Mix liquid argon with neon in 1:1 mixture, so they start keeping each other apart, and see if the boiling point gets weird. But if the force is strong over great distances, then maybe we'd see little effect. How about vapor pressure over a liquid argon surface. If there was attraction, then perhaps in a vacuum chamber the argon pressure within 10nM of the liquid argon surface would be inexplicably high, or perhaps the condensation rate seen during transients in vapor pressure would be higher than that predicted purely from first principles, thermo stats. Here's one possible ref: Search keywords: Volokitin Persson Non-contact friction enhanced by resonant atoms http://www.aip.org/pnu/2003/split/652-3.html Seriously, things not given high importance always seem to be where the breakthroughs and answers come from, dont they? Yeah, Vanderwaals force always seemed intriguing, only because everybody else is only fascinated by things like numerical solution of covalent bond physics. field must be radial and entirely contained inside the orbital? Well, what happens if experiments show otherwise. And also, what happens if another hydrogen atom is passing by at 30nM distance? My only question is how this tunneling creates an attraction. Is the electron actually imparting a force moving the atoms closer together while doing it? Photon tunneling is also called magnetic field and electric field. How could tiny electric dipoles attract each other? Whether DC fields, or AC fields at the same frequency, I think the math is identical. But now add a ferroelectric environment: liquid environment of water dipoles. One might imagine that the ferroelectric liquid would behave as a shield. But perhaps at short length scales it doesn't? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
on the uberman sleep schedule... im confused... After moving a couple years ago, i had a LOT of laundry to do. to get through it all, i spent 3 days setting my alarm clock at roughly hour intervals. get up with the alarm, change dryer and washer loads, fold clothes, back to sleep for an hour. I got about 6 actual hours of sleep a night, and fantastic sleep. Why spread it through the day? why not just artificially reset your sleep schedule by waking up for 10 to 15 ever 40 minutes or so? On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:30 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: People in the uberman/polyphasic sleep community think it's a learnable behavior. Perhaps it helps to start out with unusual brain chemistry! Really? I should look them up. Search for blogs, uberman or polyphasic keyword. Various people have managed to trigger the Uberman sleep mode. I did it accidentally while working on huge software deadlines. It lasts at least for weeks, once you get into it. You could go and work for three employers, if they were jobs that allowed ten-minute naps every few hours. Be like Tesla, coming home at 6AM to go to work on personal projects, then get back to Edison's company at 10AM for a full day of normal work. (But did Tesla's sleep habits cause his hallucinatory and photographic memory experiences, or the reverse?) If its causing my blood sugar issues and falling asleep at work, id almost be willing to do something to change the no no i wouldnt. That's exactly it: if you're trapped in polyphasic sleep, then you're hypersensitive to bread/pasta/rice/potatoes and anything full of corn syrup, such as spaghetti sauce. Normal food screws you up. Or more crackpotty: you have to eat living things, or meat that was cooked minutes ago, no leftovers (though oddly, smoked meat seems to work.) I was forced, FORCED I tell you, to survive entirely on nuts, artisan beer, and fresh salmon and herbs w/asparagus, cooked in the microwave at work. Also I found that I needed larger amounts of zinc, so started taking supplements. Some brands didn't work though. letting the road itself dictate things, i get openings when i need them to change lanes just appearing before me, my lights are always green, and people pull out of parking spots right in front of me the moment i enter the lot. Ah, that's exactly the Jedi Master effect. If you're in polyphasic sleep, it's as if the gods are watching you, and doling out anomalous synchronicity rewards and punishment based on your petty acts of self- importance verus saintliness. Well, more probably your subconscious is awake and watching your tiny conscious personality, and giving it ethical lessons. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
On Sun, 31 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: on the uberman sleep schedule... im confused... Different groups seem to worship different schedules. As for me, I found that I'd be happily working away, when suddenly I'd hit a wall. I'd have to crawl off to collapse somewhere for a few minutes REM sleep. But then it would pass, and I'd leap up and go strong for several more hours. A fast-cycling biological clock, no theories, just empirical. And once this phenomenon grabbed me, it continued without further effort. However, to switch back to 8hr nightly sleep, *huge* effort was needed. (In a different situation we might say insomnia is no joke.) I also found what NOT to do: if I kept working through the haze, I'd wake up again, and could continue for hours. But the missed naps had bad effects, both healthwise and for avoiding something resembling schitzophrenia. So I learned to take the onset of groggyness very seriously, and not skip any naps, even if I was supposed to be in a work meeting, etc. After moving a couple years ago, i had a LOT of laundry to do. to get through it all, i spent 3 days setting my alarm clock at roughly hour intervals. get up with the alarm, change dryer and washer loads, fold clothes, back to sleep for an hour. I got about 6 actual hours of sleep a night, and fantastic sleep. Why spread it through the day? why not just artificially reset your sleep schedule by waking up for 10 to 15 ever 40 minutes or so? Once you get into that mode, you start sleeping and waking naturally with no alarm clocks. But sleeps might be 10-30 minutes long, with several waking hours between. And when sleep time arrives, there's no mistaking it, it's like drinking a large glass of vodka. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
When I do this, I find the REM extremely bizarre. It also takes me a good 10 minutes to come out of it. I must admit, however, that I find my creativity enhanced with the half hour REMs during the hourly cat naps. Maybe it's the frequent insanity which avoids permanent insanity. :-) Terry On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:07 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: on the uberman sleep schedule... im confused... Different groups seem to worship different schedules. As for me, I found that I'd be happily working away, when suddenly I'd hit a wall. I'd have to crawl off to collapse somewhere for a few minutes REM sleep. But then it would pass, and I'd leap up and go strong for several more hours. A fast-cycling biological clock, no theories, just empirical. And once this phenomenon grabbed me, it continued without further effort. However, to switch back to 8hr nightly sleep, *huge* effort was needed. (In a different situation we might say insomnia is no joke.) I also found what NOT to do: if I kept working through the haze, I'd wake up again, and could continue for hours. But the missed naps had bad effects, both healthwise and for avoiding something resembling schitzophrenia. So I learned to take the onset of groggyness very seriously, and not skip any naps, even if I was supposed to be in a work meeting, etc. After moving a couple years ago, i had a LOT of laundry to do. to get through it all, i spent 3 days setting my alarm clock at roughly hour intervals. get up with the alarm, change dryer and washer loads, fold clothes, back to sleep for an hour. I got about 6 actual hours of sleep a night, and fantastic sleep. Why spread it through the day? why not just artificially reset your sleep schedule by waking up for 10 to 15 ever 40 minutes or so? Once you get into that mode, you start sleeping and waking naturally with no alarm clocks. But sleeps might be 10-30 minutes long, with several waking hours between. And when sleep time arrives, there's no mistaking it, it's like drinking a large glass of vodka. (( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
I have a saying that a lot of friends have made an axiom, actually. First said it when i was 12. I think you have to be insane, to not be insane. See, being a LITTLE insane is good, as anyone who is COMPLETELY sane in this world will soon be driven COMPLETELY INsane. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: When I do this, I find the REM extremely bizarre. It also takes me a good 10 minutes to come out of it. I must admit, however, that I find my creativity enhanced with the half hour REMs during the hourly cat naps. Maybe it's the frequent insanity which avoids permanent insanity. :-) Terry On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:07 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: on the uberman sleep schedule... im confused... Different groups seem to worship different schedules. As for me, I found that I'd be happily working away, when suddenly I'd hit a wall. I'd have to crawl off to collapse somewhere for a few minutes REM sleep. But then it would pass, and I'd leap up and go strong for several more hours. A fast-cycling biological clock, no theories, just empirical. And once this phenomenon grabbed me, it continued without further effort. However, to switch back to 8hr nightly sleep, *huge* effort was needed. (In a different situation we might say insomnia is no joke.) I also found what NOT to do: if I kept working through the haze, I'd wake up again, and could continue for hours. But the missed naps had bad effects, both healthwise and for avoiding something resembling schitzophrenia. So I learned to take the onset of groggyness very seriously, and not skip any naps, even if I was supposed to be in a work meeting, etc. After moving a couple years ago, i had a LOT of laundry to do. to get through it all, i spent 3 days setting my alarm clock at roughly hour intervals. get up with the alarm, change dryer and washer loads, fold clothes, back to sleep for an hour. I got about 6 actual hours of sleep a night, and fantastic sleep. Why spread it through the day? why not just artificially reset your sleep schedule by waking up for 10 to 15 ever 40 minutes or so? Once you get into that mode, you start sleeping and waking naturally with no alarm clocks. But sleeps might be 10-30 minutes long, with several waking hours between. And when sleep time arrives, there's no mistaking it, it's like drinking a large glass of vodka. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
That makes sense. Actually, hunh. like cats and most other hunting animals. I wonder what type of sleep schedule our primitive ancestors had. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: on the uberman sleep schedule... im confused... Different groups seem to worship different schedules. As for me, I found that I'd be happily working away, when suddenly I'd hit a wall. I'd have to crawl off to collapse somewhere for a few minutes REM sleep. But then it would pass, and I'd leap up and go strong for several more hours. A fast-cycling biological clock, no theories, just empirical. And once this phenomenon grabbed me, it continued without further effort. However, to switch back to 8hr nightly sleep, *huge* effort was needed. (In a different situation we might say insomnia is no joke.) I also found what NOT to do: if I kept working through the haze, I'd wake up again, and could continue for hours. But the missed naps had bad effects, both healthwise and for avoiding something resembling schitzophrenia. So I learned to take the onset of groggyness very seriously, and not skip any naps, even if I was supposed to be in a work meeting, etc. After moving a couple years ago, i had a LOT of laundry to do. to get through it all, i spent 3 days setting my alarm clock at roughly hour intervals. get up with the alarm, change dryer and washer loads, fold clothes, back to sleep for an hour. I got about 6 actual hours of sleep a night, and fantastic sleep. Why spread it through the day? why not just artificially reset your sleep schedule by waking up for 10 to 15 ever 40 minutes or so? Once you get into that mode, you start sleeping and waking naturally with no alarm clocks. But sleeps might be 10-30 minutes long, with several waking hours between. And when sleep time arrives, there's no mistaking it, it's like drinking a large glass of vodka. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:H. G. Wells describes our predicament in 1913
Terry Blanton wrote: Brilliant sage that he was, he did not quite get the nuclear bomb right . . . This liberated fresh inducive, and so in a few minutes the whole bomb was a blazing continual explosion. It was more like a giant fire than an explosion. Except that it went on for months. A bit like core of the Chernobyl reactor. Maybe Wells wasn't so far off. Imagine that reactor core dropped into a city. At Los Alamos during the war, some people thought the bomb would not be ready in time, and they thought about dumping radioactive garbage on the Germans. Harry Veeder wrote: so you anticipate a nuclear war in the middle of the 21st century thanks to cold fusion? I sure hope not! Without cold fusion, I do anticipate many many conventional wars in the middle of the 21st century fighting over oil, and water, like the last two wars we fought in Iraq. And if the spirit of the anti-cold fusion, anti-science fanatics prevails, then in the more distant future I expect wars over food and land, fought with sticks and rocks. Things tend to either progress or regress. Civilization seldom remains in stasis for long. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
Solo sailors at sea, and especially in shipping lanes, learn to wake up every 20 minutes or so to take a look around the horizon. We do this whether we are sleeping during the night or day. It creates a sustainable rhythm without, it seems, impairing sailing adeptness, personal energy or boat performance. Lawrence -Original Message- From: leaking pen [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:20 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep on the uberman sleep schedule... im confused... After moving a couple years ago, i had a LOT of laundry to do. to get through it all, i spent 3 days setting my alarm clock at roughly hour intervals. get up with the alarm, change dryer and washer loads, fold clothes, back to sleep for an hour. I got about 6 actual hours of sleep a night, and fantastic sleep. Why spread it through the day? why not just artificially reset your sleep schedule by waking up for 10 to 15 ever 40 minutes or so? On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:30 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: People in the uberman/polyphasic sleep community think it's a learnable behavior. Perhaps it helps to start out with unusual brain chemistry! Really? I should look them up. Search for blogs, uberman or polyphasic keyword. Various people have managed to trigger the Uberman sleep mode. I did it accidentally while working on huge software deadlines. It lasts at least for weeks, once you get into it. You could go and work for three employers, if they were jobs that allowed ten-minute naps every few hours. Be like Tesla, coming home at 6AM to go to work on personal projects, then get back to Edison's company at 10AM for a full day of normal work. (But did Tesla's sleep habits cause his hallucinatory and photographic memory experiences, or the reverse?) If its causing my blood sugar issues and falling asleep at work, id almost be willing to do something to change the no no i wouldnt. That's exactly it: if you're trapped in polyphasic sleep, then you're hypersensitive to bread/pasta/rice/potatoes and anything full of corn syrup, such as spaghetti sauce. Normal food screws you up. Or more crackpotty: you have to eat living things, or meat that was cooked minutes ago, no leftovers (though oddly, smoked meat seems to work.) I was forced, FORCED I tell you, to survive entirely on nuts, artisan beer, and fresh salmon and herbs w/asparagus, cooked in the microwave at work. Also I found that I needed larger amounts of zinc, so started taking supplements. Some brands didn't work though. letting the road itself dictate things, i get openings when i need them to change lanes just appearing before me, my lights are always green, and people pull out of parking spots right in front of me the moment i enter the lot. Ah, that's exactly the Jedi Master effect. If you're in polyphasic sleep, it's as if the gods are watching you, and doling out anomalous synchronicity rewards and punishment based on your petty acts of self- importance verus saintliness. Well, more probably your subconscious is awake and watching your tiny conscious personality, and giving it ethical lessons. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
Maybe they have the protein equivalent of bird songs? Harry - Original Message - From: Rhong Dhong rongdon...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009 6:26 pm Subject: Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP --- On Sun, 5/31/09, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: Good one! Floating proteins come wiggling in from afar and find their I have had the pop-science idea that the reason the proteins, and other bits and pieces, found their mates, and found them so quickly, was that at their scales, just randomly moving around meant that they were destined to come near one another in a very short period of time. If they had some help from electrical forces which tended to pull them together when they were in the vicinity of each other, then the two factors guaranteed that adenine would quickly unite with thymine, guanine with cytosine, etc., etc. So, even if they were relatively far apart to start with, should this make much difference in their being able to get together?
[Vo]:Need big list of legit heretical research
Gerald Pollack, a sucessful maverick biochemist at the UW, is trying to collect a list of books which describe crazy fringe research projects and proposals not currently attracting any government funding. My own list is below. Any more suggestions? Book suggestions, NOT research proposals. Also, collections of taboo topics are desired over books about individuals. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty chem washington edu Research Engineer billbamascicom UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 206-543-6195Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 THE SOURCEBOOK PROJECT: FRONTIERS OF SCIENCE Compiled by WR Corliss INFINITE ENERGY MAGAZINE THE CONSCIOUS UNIVERSE Dr. Dean Radin FORBIDDEN ARCHEOLOGY Michael Cremo SEVEN EXPERIMENTS THAT COULD CHANGE THE WORLD, A do-it yourself guide to revolutionary science, Rupert Sheldrake FORBIDDEN SCIENCE, Suppressed research that could change our lives Richard Milton SCIENTIFIC LITERACY AND THE MYTH OF THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD Henry H. Bauer DEVIANT SCIENCE The Case of Parapsychology, James McClenon DARWIN'S CREATION MYTH, by Alexander Mebane COSMIC PLASMAS, by Hannes Aflven THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE Thornhill Talbott DARK LIFE Michael Taylor THE DEEP HOT BIOSPHERE Thomas Gold THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF IGNORANCE Ronald Duncan, Miranda Weston-Smith eds. Also, any tales of vindicated heretics? HIDDEN HISTORIES OF SCIENCE R. Silvers, ed. 1995 CONFRONTING THE EXPERTS, B. Martin, ed., 1996 THE ART OF SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION, W. Beveridge 1950 SCIENCE IS A SACRED COW, Anthony Standen 1950
Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
On Sun, 31 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: I wonder what type of sleep schedule our primitive ancestors had. While in accelerated mode I wondered about this, and saw the answer in some detail. Are fever-dreams trustworthy? In town mode everybody crawls into their wigwams and sleeps at night, so the society remains synched up. In individual hunter mode you might chase down large game for hours, catnapping, even without shooting it, until it gives up. (Impressive big hunter drives it in a wide circle, so it finally walks into the villiage and collapses.) In being hunted down by invaders mode, the ones who sleep more will fall behind: a large natural selection force. If some humans needed 8hrs sleep, then a mutant sleepless tribe could always run them into the ground like large game. Our ancestors are the ones whose bodies/minds figured out the solution. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
I wonder what type of sleep schedule our primitive ancestors had. Ask grok... -Mark -Original Message- From: leaking pen [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep That makes sense. Actually, hunh. like cats and most other hunting animals. I wonder what type of sleep schedule our primitive ancestors had. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: on the uberman sleep schedule... im confused... Different groups seem to worship different schedules. As for me, I found that I'd be happily working away, when suddenly I'd hit a wall. I'd have to crawl off to collapse somewhere for a few minutes REM sleep. But then it would pass, and I'd leap up and go strong for several more hours. A fast-cycling biological clock, no theories, just empirical. And once this phenomenon grabbed me, it continued without further effort. However, to switch back to 8hr nightly sleep, *huge* effort was needed. (In a different situation we might say insomnia is no joke.) I also found what NOT to do: if I kept working through the haze, I'd wake up again, and could continue for hours. But the missed naps had bad effects, both healthwise and for avoiding something resembling schitzophrenia. So I learned to take the onset of groggyness very seriously, and not skip any naps, even if I was supposed to be in a work meeting, etc. After moving a couple years ago, i had a LOT of laundry to do. to get through it all, i spent 3 days setting my alarm clock at roughly hour intervals. get up with the alarm, change dryer and washer loads, fold clothes, back to sleep for an hour. I got about 6 actual hours of sleep a night, and fantastic sleep. Why spread it through the day? why not just artificially reset your sleep schedule by waking up for 10 to 15 ever 40 minutes or so? Once you get into that mode, you start sleeping and waking naturally with no alarm clocks. But sleeps might be 10-30 minutes long, with several waking hours between. And when sleep time arrives, there's no mistaking it, it's like drinking a large glass of vodka. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep
That was unfair, mean spirited, and does not belong in this conversation. Alex 2009/5/31 Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net: I wonder what type of sleep schedule our primitive ancestors had. Ask grok... -Mark -Original Message- From: leaking pen [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inventors and Uberman/polyphasic sleep That makes sense. Actually, hunh. like cats and most other hunting animals. I wonder what type of sleep schedule our primitive ancestors had. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009, leaking pen wrote: on the uberman sleep schedule... im confused... Different groups seem to worship different schedules. As for me, I found that I'd be happily working away, when suddenly I'd hit a wall. I'd have to crawl off to collapse somewhere for a few minutes REM sleep. But then it would pass, and I'd leap up and go strong for several more hours. A fast-cycling biological clock, no theories, just empirical. And once this phenomenon grabbed me, it continued without further effort. However, to switch back to 8hr nightly sleep, *huge* effort was needed. (In a different situation we might say insomnia is no joke.) I also found what NOT to do: if I kept working through the haze, I'd wake up again, and could continue for hours. But the missed naps had bad effects, both healthwise and for avoiding something resembling schitzophrenia. So I learned to take the onset of groggyness very seriously, and not skip any naps, even if I was supposed to be in a work meeting, etc. After moving a couple years ago, i had a LOT of laundry to do. to get through it all, i spent 3 days setting my alarm clock at roughly hour intervals. get up with the alarm, change dryer and washer loads, fold clothes, back to sleep for an hour. I got about 6 actual hours of sleep a night, and fantastic sleep. Why spread it through the day? why not just artificially reset your sleep schedule by waking up for 10 to 15 ever 40 minutes or so? Once you get into that mode, you start sleeping and waking naturally with no alarm clocks. But sleeps might be 10-30 minutes long, with several waking hours between. And when sleep time arrives, there's no mistaking it, it's like drinking a large glass of vodka. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Need big list of legit heretical research
Remote Viewing Secrets: A Handbook (Paperback) by Joseph McMoneagle assuming that there is no gov funding currently. I could be wrong. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:57 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: Gerald Pollack, a sucessful maverick biochemist at the UW, is trying to collect a list of books which describe crazy fringe research projects and proposals not currently attracting any government funding. My own list is below. Any more suggestions? Book suggestions, NOT research proposals. Also, collections of taboo topics are desired over books about individuals. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty chem washington edu Research Engineer billbamascicom UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 206-543-6195Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 THE SOURCEBOOK PROJECT: FRONTIERS OF SCIENCE Compiled by WR Corliss INFINITE ENERGY MAGAZINE THE CONSCIOUS UNIVERSE Dr. Dean Radin FORBIDDEN ARCHEOLOGY Michael Cremo SEVEN EXPERIMENTS THAT COULD CHANGE THE WORLD, A do-it yourself guide to revolutionary science, Rupert Sheldrake FORBIDDEN SCIENCE, Suppressed research that could change our lives Richard Milton SCIENTIFIC LITERACY AND THE MYTH OF THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD Henry H. Bauer DEVIANT SCIENCE The Case of Parapsychology, James McClenon DARWIN'S CREATION MYTH, by Alexander Mebane COSMIC PLASMAS, by Hannes Aflven THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE Thornhill Talbott DARK LIFE Michael Taylor THE DEEP HOT BIOSPHERE Thomas Gold THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF IGNORANCE Ronald Duncan, Miranda Weston-Smith eds. Also, any tales of vindicated heretics? HIDDEN HISTORIES OF SCIENCE R. Silvers, ed. 1995 CONFRONTING THE EXPERTS, B. Martin, ed., 1996 THE ART OF SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION, W. Beveridge 1950 SCIENCE IS A SACRED COW, Anthony Standen 1950
RE: [Vo]:Need big list of legit heretical research
There used to be US gov't funding some years ago, but it was discontinued. The fact that it received such funding is being used to bolster current claims to credibility. -Original Message- From: leaking pen [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:02 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Need big list of legit heretical research Remote Viewing Secrets: A Handbook (Paperback) by Joseph McMoneagle assuming that there is no gov funding currently. I could be wrong. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:57 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: Gerald Pollack, a sucessful maverick biochemist at the UW, is trying to collect a list of books which describe crazy fringe research projects and proposals not currently attracting any government funding. My own list is below. Any more suggestions? Book suggestions, NOT research proposals. Also, collections of taboo topics are desired over books about individuals. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty chem washington edu Research Engineer billbamascicom UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 206-543-6195Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 THE SOURCEBOOK PROJECT: FRONTIERS OF SCIENCE Compiled by WR Corliss INFINITE ENERGY MAGAZINE THE CONSCIOUS UNIVERSE Dr. Dean Radin FORBIDDEN ARCHEOLOGY Michael Cremo SEVEN EXPERIMENTS THAT COULD CHANGE THE WORLD, A do-it yourself guide to revolutionary science, Rupert Sheldrake FORBIDDEN SCIENCE, Suppressed research that could change our lives Richard Milton SCIENTIFIC LITERACY AND THE MYTH OF THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD Henry H. Bauer DEVIANT SCIENCE The Case of Parapsychology, James McClenon DARWIN'S CREATION MYTH, by Alexander Mebane COSMIC PLASMAS, by Hannes Aflven THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE Thornhill Talbott DARK LIFE Michael Taylor THE DEEP HOT BIOSPHERE Thomas Gold THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF IGNORANCE Ronald Duncan, Miranda Weston-Smith eds. Also, any tales of vindicated heretics? HIDDEN HISTORIES OF SCIENCE R. Silvers, ed. 1995 CONFRONTING THE EXPERTS, B. Martin, ed., 1996 THE ART OF SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION, W. Beveridge 1950 SCIENCE IS A SACRED COW, Anthony Standen 1950
[Vo]:U.Missouri Videos
Hey Vorts, I got most (not all) the UM seminar on video. I'm sure UM will put it up on their site too, but I thought I'd do some redundancy. You know how these things go, right? I'm uploading 6 clips right now. By Monday morning if you to go my channel on YouTube you should find them. S
