RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons
I didn't quite finish the analogy... Imagine the wheel of a car being an electron, which is perfectly balanced and rotates perfectly. Now add a lead weight (a quantum of heat), and the wheel now is wobbling all around since it is 'out of balance'. That in turn causes the entire car (atom) to shimmy. The glue holding the lead weight can't stand the stress and the lead weight is ejected. That quantum of heat then 'hits' or 'gets absorbed into' some other subatomic element, perhaps of the same atom, or a neighboring atom, and causes that one to be temporarily 'out of balance' and causes that atom to vibrate for a few attoseconds or so, but it too gets ejected. In what direction is it ejected? That too is more or less random for bulk matter. Thus, it makes perfect sense why QM is probability-based, and is so accurate when it comes to explaining things at the atomic scale. Now imagine billions of heat quanta constantly and randomly being shuffled from atom to atom... that's what's going on in bulk matter. -Mark
[Vo]:Slow-motion pictures of atoms and molecules... getting closer!
World's best metronome enables slow-motion pictures of atoms and molecules http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-world-metronome-enables-slow-motion-pict ures.html Well, science is getting close to being able to do the definitive experiment which I asked for earlier in the year. They just have to overcome this problem: With this short wavelength light pulses, it is possible to take flash photos of single molecules and atoms. However, the intense energy of each light pulse destroys the sample. And they are able to somewhat. Therefore, the slow-motion movie production of a molecular process requires the repetition of the same process with a fresh sample and *each picture is taken a bit later*. Well, that's a good try, but not sure it's accurate enough to do what I need. unfortunately. *When* they can take a single hydrogen atom, suspend it in a vacuum (using a magnetic field?), and then take their 'flash photos' of it with an attosecond shutter speed, then we will know what an electron *really* is.. And they might also need to be able to cause a slight delay of the shutter, a number of times, to cause it to match the phase of the electron oscillation. The abstract for the peer-reviewed article is here: Optical flywheels with attosecond jitter http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nphoton.2011.326.ht ml Abstract It has been known for some time that the steady-state pulse propagating inside a mode-locked laser is the optical equivalent of a mechanical flywheel. By measuring the timing error spectrum between phase-locked optical pulse trains emitted from two nearly identical 10 fs Ti:sapphire lasers, we demonstrate a record low integrated timing error of less than 13 attoseconds, measured from d.c. to the Nyquist frequency of the pulse train, which is 41 MHz. This corresponds to the lowest high-frequency phase noise ever recorded of -203 dBc Hz-1 (assuming a 10 GHz carrier) for offset frequencies greater than 1 MHz. Such a highly uniform train of pulses will enable the synchronization of pump-probe experiments that measure the evolution dynamics of chemical and atomic processes evolving on femtosecond and attosecond timescales. The ultralow timing jitter of such pulse trains will also allow photonic analog-to-digital conversion of mid-infrared waveforms with a resolution of 6 bits. -Mark
[Vo]:The perfect liquid -- now even more perfect.
In my qualitative model, I see the vacuum of space being a polarizable medium which is under tremendous pressure, and with very little viscosity. This PhysOrg article says scientists have lowered the 'lower bound' for the viscosity of the perfect fluid made up of the quark-gluon plasmas encountered in high energy particle accelerator collisions. Could that also apply to the 'viscosity' of the vacuum??? Time will tell, but I'll bet it does. http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-liquid-.html The physicists at Vienna UT found a way to include this anisotropy in their equations - and surprisingly the limit for the viscosity can be broken in this new model. The viscosity depends on several other physical parameters, but it can be lower than the number previously considered to be the absolute lower bound, Dominik Steineder explains. The on-going quark-gluon-experiments at CERN will provide opportunities for testing the new theoretical predictions. Abstract here: http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i2/e021601 -Mark
[Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling
Gee, my serendipitous 'webbing' this eve has been quite interesting and fruitful. here's one more. I promise I'll go to bed after this one! Seeing the Quantum in Quantum Zero-Point Fluctuations http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/8 PDF for actual article being described: http://physics.aps.org/featured-article-pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.033602 This statement made me think about the problem of how the 'missing' gammas are absorbed into the lattice as phonons: This approach yields relatively high-frequency mechanical resonances (with gigahertz-scale frequencies), which makes cooling easier and yields well-separated sidebands. The tight localization of modes also yields *very strong optomechanical couplings*. And especially this.. In addition, this setup allows a single mechanical resonance to be coupled to many distinct optical resonances. Would a gamma be considered 'optical'? I do not know whether the conditions which were present in the experiment above are present in LENR. so it may not be relevant. G'nite, -Mark
Re: [Vo]:More home E-Cat data announced
*what do you make of this statement by Joe Zawodny / NASA a few days ago?* * * http://joe.zawodny.com/index.php/2009/01/13/capture-the-moment/ == On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#** comment-171562http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-171562 * Andrea Rossi January 17th, 2012 at 4:41 PM http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=563** cpage=14#comment-171562http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-171562 Dear Mark Szlazak: It will be cm 30 x 30 x 12 circa. Not able to make electricity yet. Able to make heat and sanitary water ( this is a new of today: resolved also this problem). Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#** comment-171368http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#comment-171368 * Andrea Rossi January 17th, 2012 at 10:04 AM http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=473** cpage=17#comment-171368http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#comment-171368 Dear Christian Scholl: The principle is this, yes, but it will be simplyfied. Warm Regards, A.R. * Christian SCHOLL http://www.cem-expert.fr/**index.cfmhttp://www.cem-expert.fr/index.cfm January 16th, 2012 at 11:19 PM http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=473** cpage=17#comment-171038http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#comment-171038 Dear Andrea Rossi, Domestic E-Cat will be delivered with differents heat exchanger: boiler for hot water, heat exchanger for hot air, full cupper electrode to replace steatite water heater ? Best regards, C.SCHOLL
Re: [Vo]:More home E-Cat data announced
That to me looks like it was from Jan 13 2009, not a few days ago. On 18/01/12 13:05, Paul Calvo wrote: what do you make of this statement by Joe Zawodny / NASA a few days ago? http://joe.zawodny.com/index.php/2009/01/13/capture-the-moment/ == On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-171562 * Andrea Rossi January 17th, 2012 at 4:41 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-171562 Dear Mark Szlazak: It will be cm 30 x 30 x 12 circa. Not able to make electricity yet. Able to make heat and sanitary water ( this is a new of today: resolved also this problem). Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#comment-171368 * Andrea Rossi January 17th, 2012 at 10:04 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#comment-171368 Dear Christian Scholl: The principle is this, yes, but it will be simplyfied. Warm Regards, A.R. * Christian SCHOLL http://www.cem-expert.fr/index.cfm January 16th, 2012 at 11:19 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#comment-171038 Dear Andrea Rossi, Domestic E-Cat will be delivered with differents heat exchanger: boiler for hot water, heat exchanger for hot air, full cupper electrode to replace steatite water heater ? Best regards, C.SCHOLL
Re: [Vo]:More home E-Cat data announced
Which make it even more interesting. AG On 18/01/2012 11:38 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: That to me looks like it was from Jan 13 2009, not a few days ago. On 18/01/12 13:05, Paul Calvo wrote: *what do you make of this statement by Joe Zawodny / NASA a few days ago?* * * http://joe.zawodny.com/index.php/2009/01/13/capture-the-moment/
Re: [Vo]:More home E-Cat data announced
It's remarkable how quick things change with this. In a previous post on JONP a few days ago, Rossi specified a size of 40x40x40, now it's significantly smaller. It's great that he can now provide hot water too as that increases the appeal even further allowing for complete replacement of conventional gas / oil boilers in the home. I'm not familiar with how UL certification works but wouldn't these changes, especially such a size change, affect the certification process? I'm assuming the Rossi is only getting certification for the core reactor unit and everything else will be 'bolt on' afterwards. On 17/01/12 23:38, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-171562 * Andrea Rossi January 17th, 2012 at 4:41 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-171562 Dear Mark Szlazak: It will be cm 30 x 30 x 12 circa. Not able to make electricity yet. Able to make heat and sanitary water ( this is a new of today: resolved also this problem). Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#comment-171368 * Andrea Rossi January 17th, 2012 at 10:04 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#comment-171368 Dear Christian Scholl: The principle is this, yes, but it will be simplyfied. Warm Regards, A.R. * Christian SCHOLL http://www.cem-expert.fr/index.cfm January 16th, 2012 at 11:19 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=17#comment-171038 Dear Andrea Rossi, Domestic E-Cat will be delivered with differents heat exchanger: boiler for hot water, heat exchanger for hot air, full cupper electrode to replace steatite water heater ? Best regards, C.SCHOLL
Re: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licenses?
I feel as though I'm watching a late night B-grade movie. Incredible. T
Re: [Vo]:More home E-Cat data announced
The box may contain a primary coolant circulating pump that is speed controlled by the electronics as part of the regulation of the energy generation process. AG On 18/01/2012 11:48 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: It's remarkable how quick things change with this. In a previous post on JONP a few days ago, Rossi specified a size of 40x40x40, now it's significantly smaller. It's great that he can now provide hot water too as that increases the appeal even further allowing for complete replacement of conventional gas / oil boilers in the home. I'm not familiar with how UL certification works but wouldn't these changes, especially such a size change, affect the certification process? I'm assuming the Rossi is only getting certification for the core reactor unit and everything else will be 'bolt on' afterwards.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licenses?
Terry, I find it difficult to believe these guys would not be able to get Rossi on a Skype connection, especially as they had Dick Smith's $200k riding on the call. I have no association with this group. AG On 19/01/2012 12:15 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: I feel as though I'm watching a late night B-grade movie. Incredible. T
RE: [Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling
Hi Mark Good finds - burning the midnight oil it seems - but for the record, the massive preponderance of evidence is that gammas are not absorbed into phonons. In fact there is not a single shred of evidence that this can happen. There is too much disproportion in wavelength. However UV and EUV are both absorbed, absorbed strongly, and are optical. There is plenty of good evidence that anomalous gain does manifest in EUV. The area of so-called soft x-rays is a middle ground. These are not considered optical and are little studied. Jones Gee, my serendipitous 'webbing' this eve has been quite interesting and fruitful. here's one more. I promise I'll go to bed after this one! Seeing the Quantum in Quantum Zero-Point Fluctuations http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/8 PDF for actual article being described: http://physics.aps.org/featured-article-pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.033602 This statement made me think about the problem of how the 'missing' gammas are absorbed into the lattice as phonons: This approach yields relatively high-frequency mechanical resonances (with gigahertz-scale frequencies), which makes cooling easier and yields well-separated sidebands. The tight localization of modes also yields *very strong optomechanical couplings*. And especially this.. In addition, this setup allows a single mechanical resonance to be coupled to many distinct optical resonances. Would a gamma be considered 'optical'? I do not know whether the conditions which were present in the experiment above are present in LENR. so it may not be relevant. G'nite, -Mark
Re: [Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling
I think we should be considering the possibility that there are no gammas in the first place. After the LENR event the nucleus will be in a highly excited and state and will need to release its energy. The conventional route is via gamma (and/or an energetic particle) with the options determined by energy and momentum balance. One possibility that keeps being suggested in this forum is that there is some kind of resonant optical vibrational mode within small domains within the lattice. The more quanta of energy there is associated with the mode, the higher the probability that energy from some coupled excited state will be coupled into the state (because quanta of vibartional energy obey Bose statistics). This will then pump the mode to a more energetic state, much in the manner of a laser. This may be the route that the energy from the excited Nickel/Copper nucleus is able to be coupled to thermal lattice energy, via the intermediate resonant mode. The principles of such systems were looked at by Herbert Frohlich in the 1960's http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960168902429 If this was the case, then what we ought to be doing is seeing if we can extract the energy from the mode before it is thermalised, which would dramatically increase the efficiency of the system if we want it to do work, such as generate electricity. Nigel On 18/01/2012 14:51, Jones Beene wrote: Hi Mark Good finds -- burning the midnight oil it seems - but for the record, the massive preponderance of evidence is that gammas are not absorbed into phonons. In fact there is not a single shred of evidence that this can happen. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons
An ensemble of coherent objects acts in unison based on discrete quantum levels. When quantum particles (matter waves) are coherent, phase (A description of the quantum properties that define each specific quantum property associated with the ensemble) can only be applied based on discrete quantum leveling. Since the ensemble is locked together and must act as one unit, as the entangled ensemble grows larger in number, it is increasing hard to precisely meet conditions that will cause the ensemble to move to a new quantum level. *See: Viewpoint: Rydberg Atoms Jump in Bunches* http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/5 to get a feel for how quantum lockup causes coherent ensembles to act in unison. This is helpful in understanding the many facets of how the Rossi reaction works. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 8 Jan 2012 02:35:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] Where N can be 1 to very many, N identical waves are said to be coherent. These many waves have the same waveform; they are all in fact the same wave. Since particles are matter waves, N particles that are identical and indistinguishable are coherent. These matter waves can be made identical by any number of resonance interactions. I think that to be coherent they also need to be in phase, which is nearly impossible to achieve if they are in motion relative to one another. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licenses?
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Terry, I find it difficult to believe these guys would not be able to get Rossi on a Skype connection, especially as they had Dick Smith's $200k riding on the call. Perhaps Rossi did not want to be found. Dick Smith's $200K was contingent on an independent test. Rossi does not want independent tests as he has said many times. Where are the tests promised by the Universities of Bologna and Upsala? Last year they were fervently promised to come soon. Now, they are not needed.One can only venture a guess about the reasons why, LOL.
RE: [Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling
Yes, and let me add this. Peter Hagelstein has been the primary proponent of the magic phonon hypothesis - the nearly complete adsorption of gamma rays by phonons - but he is quick to admit there is no physical evidence for it. What he does not say is that the evidence would be incredibly easy for him to demonstrate, if it were there - and moreover - within walking distance for him to find the proper place to do it. He can get surely get free time on a beam line at MIT or other source of gamma radiation. Following which, the procedure to measure Pd-D to see if it does absorb gammas (nearly perfectly) or not, is almost self-evident. Yes, It is that simple ! . yet it has not been done. Connect the dots. The lack of evidence in this case, where it should be so simple to come by, is itself evidence indicating that the magic-phonon hypothesis is bogus. Jones From: Nigel Dyer I think we should be considering the possibility that there are no gammas in the first place. After the LENR event the nucleus will be in a highly excited and state and will need to release its energy. The conventional route is via gamma (and/or an energetic particle) with the options determined by energy and momentum balance. One possibility that keeps being suggested in this forum is that there is some kind of resonant optical vibrational mode within small domains within the lattice. The more quanta of energy there is associated with the mode, the higher the probability that energy from some coupled excited state will be coupled into the state (because quanta of vibrational energy obey Bose statistics). This will then pump the mode to a more energetic state, much in the manner of a laser. This may be the route that the energy from the excited Nickel/Copper nucleus is able to be coupled to thermal lattice energy, via the intermediate resonant mode. The principles of such systems were looked at by Herbert Frohlich in the 1960's http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960168902429 If this was the case, then what we ought to be doing is seeing if we can extract the energy from the mode before it is thermalized, which would dramatically increase the efficiency of the system if we want it to do work, such as generate electricity. Nigel Jones Beene wrote: Hi Mark Good finds - burning the midnight oil it seems - but for the record, the massive preponderance of evidence is that gammas are not absorbed into phonons. In fact there is not a single shred of evidence that this can happen. Jones
RE: [Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling
But what is the likelihood that Peter would get permission to use a beam line for that debunked/junk science called cold fusion? Probability is very low. and if the hot fusion group has any say, the probability is zero. -mi From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling Yes, and let me add this. Peter Hagelstein has been the primary proponent of the magic phonon hypothesis - the nearly complete adsorption of gamma rays by phonons - but he is quick to admit there is no physical evidence for it. What he does not say is that the evidence would be incredibly easy for him to demonstrate, if it were there - and moreover - within walking distance for him to find the proper place to do it. He can get surely get free time on a beam line at MIT or other source of gamma radiation. Following which, the procedure to measure Pd-D to see if it does absorb gammas (nearly perfectly) or not, is almost self-evident. Yes, It is that simple ! . yet it has not been done. Connect the dots. The lack of evidence in this case, where it should be so simple to come by, is itself evidence indicating that the magic-phonon hypothesis is bogus. Jones From: Nigel Dyer I think we should be considering the possibility that there are no gammas in the first place. After the LENR event the nucleus will be in a highly excited and state and will need to release its energy. The conventional route is via gamma (and/or an energetic particle) with the options determined by energy and momentum balance. One possibility that keeps being suggested in this forum is that there is some kind of resonant optical vibrational mode within small domains within the lattice. The more quanta of energy there is associated with the mode, the higher the probability that energy from some coupled excited state will be coupled into the state (because quanta of vibrational energy obey Bose statistics). This will then pump the mode to a more energetic state, much in the manner of a laser. This may be the route that the energy from the excited Nickel/Copper nucleus is able to be coupled to thermal lattice energy, via the intermediate resonant mode. The principles of such systems were looked at by Herbert Frohlich in the 1960's http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960168902429 If this was the case, then what we ought to be doing is seeing if we can extract the energy from the mode before it is thermalized, which would dramatically increase the efficiency of the system if we want it to do work, such as generate electricity. Nigel Jones Beene wrote: Hi Mark Good finds - burning the midnight oil it seems - but for the record, the massive preponderance of evidence is that gammas are not absorbed into phonons. In fact there is not a single shred of evidence that this can happen. Jones
RE: [Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling
I don't think it would be a problem at any University that has one - to secure a standard gamma source for testing, for this reason. If there is any conceivable way to shield against gammas more efficiently - then this is very valuable knowledge for such things as space exploration. Plus it is new physics. and it does not absolutely have to be associated with you-know-what, to be important. Hagelstein does a few other things besides LENR, after all. From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint But what is the likelihood that Peter would get permission to use a beam line for that debunked/junk science called cold fusion? Probability is very low. and if the hot fusion group has any say, the probability is zero. -mi From: Jones Beene Yes, and let me add this. Peter Hagelstein has been the primary proponent of the magic phonon hypothesis - the nearly complete adsorption of gamma rays by phonons - but he is quick to admit there is no physical evidence for it. What he does not say is that the evidence would be incredibly easy for him to demonstrate, if it were there - and moreover - within walking distance for him to find the proper place to do it. He can get surely get free time on a beam line at MIT or other source of gamma radiation. Following which, the procedure to measure Pd-D to see if it does absorb gammas (nearly perfectly) or not, is almost self-evident. Yes, It is that simple ! . yet it has not been done. Connect the dots. The lack of evidence in this case, where it should be so simple to come by, is itself evidence indicating that the magic-phonon hypothesis is bogus. Jones From: Nigel Dyer I think we should be considering the possibility that there are no gammas in the first place. After the LENR event the nucleus will be in a highly excited and state and will need to release its energy. The conventional route is via gamma (and/or an energetic particle) with the options determined by energy and momentum balance. One possibility that keeps being suggested in this forum is that there is some kind of resonant optical vibrational mode within small domains within the lattice. The more quanta of energy there is associated with the mode, the higher the probability that energy from some coupled excited state will be coupled into the state (because quanta of vibrational energy obey Bose statistics). This will then pump the mode to a more energetic state, much in the manner of a laser. This may be the route that the energy from the excited Nickel/Copper nucleus is able to be coupled to thermal lattice energy, via the intermediate resonant mode. The principles of such systems were looked at by Herbert Frohlich in the 1960's http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960168902429 If this was the case, then what we ought to be doing is seeing if we can extract the energy from the mode before it is thermalized, which would dramatically increase the efficiency of the system if we want it to do work, such as generate electricity. Nigel Jones Beene wrote: Hi Mark Good finds - burning the midnight oil it seems - but for the record, the massive preponderance of evidence is that gammas are not absorbed into phonons. In fact there is not a single shred of evidence that this can happen. Jones
[Vo]:Dick Smith warns against investing in cold fusion
That worked out well. Good job Andrea! See: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/dick-smith-warns-against-investment-in-cold-fusion-technology/story-e6frg8y6-1226247794568 - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith warns against investing in cold fusion
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: That worked out well. Good job Andrea! See: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/dick-smith-warns-against-investment-in-cold-fusion-technology/story-e6frg8y6-122624779456http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/dick-smith-warns-against-investment-in-cold-fusion-technology/story-e6frg8y6-1226247794568 Six lines of text about a missed meeting is probably not going to pull back Rossi very much. The question is why Dick Smith said anything about it and why he didn't reschedule the meeting. Maybe someone should ask him what else he knows or thinks he knows.
RE: [Vo]:Dick Smith warns against investing in cold fusion
The article is not viewable in its entirety from your link, but if Vortexians would like access to the whole article, it can be accessed via a quick Google News search. I think that we're all still in wait-and-see mode regarding Rossi and Defkalion. The only thing that I have taken away from this is that MY's assertion (that Rossi could be pulling an investor fraud scheme) now has some evidenciary basis: Mr Millin, 67, told The Australian yesterday he had threatened to sue Mr Smith for $100m because he believed he had proved the technology worked and that he was owed the $200,000. He said Byron New Energy Charitable Trust had planned to use some of that money (understood to be $100,000) to buy the Australian rights to the technology. (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/lure-of-cold-fusion-backfires/story-e6frg8y6-1226246813122) There now appears to be direct evidence of non-customer investments for country licensing for the first time since Ampenergo/Defkalion. When these factors are added to analysis of Rossi's actions, it renders arguments of he can't be scamming anyone, because his customers' money will be in escrow until they are satisfied it works totally and uttery meaningless. This is NOT to be taken as evidence that Rossi is running a scam. It is only meant to demonstrate that there is indeed possibility to take investors' money while they wait for the first sales to begin. I think that Rossi's (relatively) short, self-imposed timetables actually contraindicate a long-con. That said, I'm not yet jumping into the commodities markets, buying nickel and shorting oil. Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:55:20 -0500 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Dick Smith warns against investing in cold fusion That worked out well. Good job Andrea! See: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/dick-smith-warns-against-investment-in-cold-fusion-technology/story-e6frg8y6-1226247794568 - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith warns against investing in cold fusion
Do you subscribe that newspaper? 2012/1/18 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: That worked out well. Good job Andrea! See: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/dick-smith-warns-against-investment-in-cold-fusion-technology/story-e6frg8y6-122624779456http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/dick-smith-warns-against-investment-in-cold-fusion-technology/story-e6frg8y6-1226247794568 Six lines of text about a missed meeting is probably not going to pull back Rossi very much. The question is why Dick Smith said anything about it and why he didn't reschedule the meeting. Maybe someone should ask him what else he knows or thinks he knows. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licenses?
Until the NI control system is developed, Rossi is the only operator qualified to keep the E-Cat within operational limits through manual control. Because of improper temperature control due to operational inexperience and/or ineptness, another untrained outside tester will either cause the E-Cat to flame out or melt down. Rossi may change his mind about letting a third party operator get his hand on the controls of the E-Cat for demos when the moron/snake proof automated control system is debugged and made operational. On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, I find it difficult to believe these guys would not be able to get Rossi on a Skype connection, especially as they had Dick Smith's $200k riding on the call. Perhaps Rossi did not want to be found. Dick Smith's $200K was contingent on an independent test. Rossi does not want independent tests as he has said many times. Where are the tests promised by the Universities of Bologna and Upsala? Last year they were fervently promised to come soon. Now, they are not needed.One can only venture a guess about the reasons why, LOL.
[Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Hello group, Have a look at this interesting Youtube video by ecat.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc Apparently it's been filmed on January 12th. It shows that: - Rossi is currently in Bologna - Rossi's test site appears to be cold - The 1 MW E-Cat container shown during the last public demo is in Bologna too - There appears to be a new control box. Have I missed anything else? Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Have I missed anything else? Only the lie where Rossi says the customer did not return it. -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa Hello group, Have a look at this interesting Youtube video by ecat.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc Apparently it's been filmed on January 12th. It shows that: - Rossi is currently in Bologna - Rossi's test site appears to be cold - The 1 MW E-Cat container shown during the last public demo is in Bologna too - There appears to be a new control box. Have I missed anything else? Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
At 10:56 AM 1/18/2012, Jones Beene wrote: Have I missed anything else? Only the lie where Rossi says the customer did not return it. Distinguish between Return for a refund vs Returned for fitting a new control unit. What's that gray bulb attached to what looks like the heat exchanger. Maybe just a water knock suppresser (I can't think of the technical name ... I had one attached to my well water pump).
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
1) so they are wearing jackets in the warehouse; in many tilt-up industrial parks like this, a small (front) section is walled off and made into offices and *is* heated, whereas the large warehouse section is not heated to save on heating costs. 2) Geez, I think there is more than one large shipping container in the world. For christ's sake, he very likely obtained another container immediately after the other one left! After all, IF he had an actual customer for the first one as Jones says, then he OBVIOUSLY is working on getting the next one ready, and would have obtained another container and begun installing all the 'guts'. It is now over two months since the first one was taken away, so how much time is needed to install the guts??? If you've got all the e-Cats, then installing racking and wiring and piping, etc. wouldn't take more than a few weeks at most. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Have I missed anything else? Only the lie where Rossi says the customer did not return it. -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa Hello group, Have a look at this interesting Youtube video by ecat.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc Apparently it's been filmed on January 12th. It shows that: - Rossi is currently in Bologna - Rossi's test site appears to be cold - The 1 MW E-Cat container shown during the last public demo is in Bologna too - There appears to be a new control box. Have I missed anything else? Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
S.A., thanks for the vid! I have taken the liberty of creating a little collage where I try to compare pictures of the different 1 MW units which I have found (one version from mid september, one from the beginning of october, then the 1MW plant from the end of october as well as the newest one) http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/830/ecatcollage.png/ (You might have to download the complete picture to your HDD in order to see all the details, as this is over 4 MB in size!) You can see slight changes between the newest one and the one from the end of october (compare row 2, columns 1 and 2, on the first picture, the newest one is missing two reactors, perhaps they haven't been put in), however this doesn't prove anything (as always...). Then the sheath of the tubes next to Rossi in the 6th october test seem to be of a different material than the one on the newest cat (however this might be due to different light exposure). On row 2, column 2 you can also see an additional red vessel (hydrogen container?). In row 3, column 1 and 2, those red vessels all seem to face the same direction. Regarding new information: One thing that you didn't mention: ecat.com says that domestic Ecats will be ready for the market 12 to 18 month (I think they mean 12 to 18 month from now, as they do not state this precisely; so this means that availability might be pushed back until summer next year; this doesn't really surprise me...). Wolf Hello group, Have a look at this interesting Youtube video by ecat.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc Apparently it's been filmed on January 12th. It shows that: - Rossi is currently in Bologna - Rossi's test site appears to be cold - The 1 MW E-Cat container shown during the last public demo is in Bologna too - There appears to be a new control box. Have I missed anything else? Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:New Krivit Stuff
Two new entries .. both interesting High-Energy Meets Low-Energy: A First at CERN http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/16/high-energy-meets-low-energy-a-first-at-cern/ ... Jan. 16, 2012: Celani reports in an e-mail to LENR researchers that he has received an invitation to speak at CERN about LENR. The key point is that CERN changed from [being] fully negative to [having] deep interest, Celani wrote. - - - - - - - - - - - Prescient 1994 Insights From Fleischmann, Pons and Preparata on LENR Theory http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/17/prescient-1994-insights-from-fleischmann-pons-and-preparata-on-lenr-theory/ An article by Larsen. Links to an unknown paper : Before May 2008, we had never encountered this paper in our many Internet searches for citable prior publications on low-energy nuclear reaction research theory. But in May 2008, it suddenly popped up on a search. Possible Theories of Cold Fusion http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1994/1994FleischmannPonsPreparata-PossibleTheories.pdf [ followed by an explanation of how FPP described aspects of WL theory ] (You can also get it at http://www.lenr-canr.org/PDetail3.htm#1066 Fleischmann, M., S. Pons, and G. Preparata, Possible theories of cold fusion. Nuovo Cimento Soc. Ital. Fis. A, 1994. 107: p. 143. ) (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:New Krivit Stuff
On 2012-01-18 21:12, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Two new entries .. both interesting High-Energy Meets Low-Energy: A First at CERN http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/16/high-energy-meets-low-energy-a-first-at-cern/ According to Daniele Passerini (22passi), who's received a copy as well, Celani's email about CERN was supposed to remain confidential, and I think there might have been good reasons for that. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
On 2012-01-18 20:44, Wolf Fischer wrote: thanks for the vid! I have taken the liberty of creating a little collage where I try to compare pictures of the different 1 MW units which I have found (one version from mid september, one from the beginning of october, then the 1MW plant from the end of october as well as the newest one) Thanks for the collage. It looks like the container has never been moved from its original location. Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:New Krivit Stuff
It wouldn't be the first time that Krivit would have released something that he shouldn't have. All of the recent info that comes to mind was all derived from CMNS communications. Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:19:41 +0100 From: shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Krivit Stuff On 2012-01-18 21:12, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Two new entries .. both interesting High-Energy Meets Low-Energy: A First at CERN http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/16/high-energy-meets-low-energy-a-first-at-cern/ According to Daniele Passerini (22passi), who's received a copy as well, Celani's email about CERN was supposed to remain confidential, and I think there might have been good reasons for that. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licenses?
Axil, It may not just be the control system. If the reactor actually works (questionable) unless it is designed correctly with proper thermal/heat transfer surface, etc. it may not be able to get rid of the heat properly if the reaction hits a sweet spot. W L gave a low estimate of 4000 x chemical (conservatively down from 8M x chemical potential) on one of their slides and that could potentially be alot of heat to get rid of in a short period of time if the right conditions are met. Just a lump of powder in a reactor chamber would have a very hard time transferring that energy without overheating/melting. Co-deposition of the reactants onto a heat transfer surface sounds like a good solution to me. On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Until the NI control system is developed, Rossi is the only operator qualified to keep the E-Cat within operational limits through manual control. Because of improper temperature control due to operational inexperience and/or ineptness, another untrained outside tester will either cause the E-Cat to flame out or melt down. Rossi may change his mind about letting a third party operator get his hand on the controls of the E-Cat for demos when the moron/snake proof automated control system is debugged and made operational. On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, I find it difficult to believe these guys would not be able to get Rossi on a Skype connection, especially as they had Dick Smith's $200k riding on the call. Perhaps Rossi did not want to be found. Dick Smith's $200K was contingent on an independent test. Rossi does not want independent tests as he has said many times. Where are the tests promised by the Universities of Bologna and Upsala? Last year they were fervently promised to come soon. Now, they are not needed.One can only venture a guess about the reasons why, LOL.
Re: [Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling
The Constants of the Motion Tend toward the Electromagnetic in a Bose condensate stimulated at a Dimensional Frequency of 1.094 megahertz meters Frank Znidarsic 1999. As before, Mechanical waves couple with electromagnetic waves under this condition. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:48 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling Yes, and let me add this. Peter Hagelstein has beenthe primary proponent of the “magic phonon” hypothesis - the nearlycomplete adsorption of gamma rays by phonons - but he is quick to admit thereis no physical evidence for it. What he does not say is thatthe evidence would be incredibly easy for him to demonstrate, if it were there- and moreover - within walking distance for him to find the proper place to doit. He can get surely get freetime on a beam line at MIT or other source of gamma radiation. Following which,the procedure to measure Pd-D to see if it does absorb gammas (nearly perfectly)or not, is almost self-evident. Yes, It is that simple ! …yet it has not been done. Connect the dots. The lack of evidence in this case, whereit should be so simple to come by, is itself evidence indicating that themagic-phonon hypothesis is bogus. Jones From:Nigel Dyer I think we should be considering the possibility thatthere are no gammas in the first place. After the LENR event thenucleus will be in a highly excited and state and will need to release itsenergy. The conventional route is via gamma (and/or an energeticparticle) with the options determined by energy and momentum balance. One possibility that keeps being suggested in this forum is that there is somekind of resonant optical vibrational mode within small domains within thelattice. The more quanta of energy there is associated with themode, the higher the probability that energy from some coupled excited statewill be coupled into the state (because quanta of vibrational energy obeyBose statistics). This will then pump the mode to a more energetic state,much in the manner of a laser. This may be the route that the energy fromthe excited Nickel/Copper nucleus is able to be coupled to thermal latticeenergy, via the intermediate resonant mode. The principles of such systems were looked at by Herbert Frohlich in the 1960's http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960168902429 If this was the case, then what we ought to be doing is seeing if we canextract the energy from the mode before it is thermalized, which woulddramatically increase the efficiency of the system if we want it to do work,such as generate electricity. Nigel Jones Beene wrote: Hi Mark Good finds – burning themidnight oil it seems - but for the record, the massive preponderance ofevidence is that gammas are not absorbed into phonons. In fact there is not asingle shred of evidence that this can happen. Jones
Re: [Vo]:New Krivit Stuff : National Instruments
At 12:19 PM 1/18/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2012-01-18 21:12, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Two new entries .. both interesting High-Energy Meets Low-Energy: A First at CERN http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/16/high-energy-meets-low-energy-a-first-at-cern/ According to Daniele Passerini (22passi), who's received a copy as well, Celani's email about CERN was supposed to remain confidential, and I think there might have been good reasons for that. 22passi also has a National Instruments (Italy) Press Release -- with CERN and Rossi (Leonardi) in the same paragraph ! http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/01/se-ha-ragione-ocasapiens.html Link to http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/web/all/0EDB0AF6A3E7862579560030DDD8 Google translate : National Instruments provides solutions in the field of high energy physics PRESS RELEASE - National Instruments continues to provide measurement and control technologies for high performance in research and physics. NI offers standard commercial tools (COTS - commercial off-the-shelf) to support thousands of technicians and engineers working to meet the challenges of the alternative energy sector with sophisticated devices. With the design of software systems NI LabVIEW , modular instrumentation PXI platform, reconfigurable control and acquisition NI CompactRIO and other tools, National Instruments has supported many researchers to simplify the development of projects, offering advanced control solutions that would otherwise be been prohibitively expensive. For over 35 years, National Instruments has offered to innovators the tools they need to cope with major engineering challenges in the world, said Stephen Concezzi, sciences segment manager at National Instruments and big physics. We are excited about the many opportunities to support our customers to simplify the development of energy projects or advanced physics. Innovators around the world use the approach of the graphic design of NI to respond effectively to major engineering challenges in the medical field , in urban infrastructure, alternative energy and other critical applications in character. Especially in the field of physics, NI has provided solutions to some of the most advanced projects including the ' LHC (Large Hadron Collider) at CERN and the control systems of Tokamak . In addition, the Corporation intends to enter Leonardo NI tools in its control system. For more info on NI solutions for big physics applications visit ni.com / physics . About National Instruments National Instruments ( italy.ni.com ) is revolutionizing the way in which engineers and scientists design, prototype and deploy systems for measurement, automation and embedded applications.
Re: [Vo]:New Krivit Stuff : National Instruments
The National Instruments press release (although interesting) is quite old (from November 14th). Here is the original: http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/websearch/2c6b449a3f0f8f3a862579480060a07f Wolf At 12:19 PM 1/18/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2012-01-18 21:12, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Two new entries .. both interesting High-Energy Meets Low-Energy: A First at CERN http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/16/high-energy-meets-low-energy-a-first-at-cern/ According to Daniele Passerini (22passi), who's received a copy as well, Celani's email about CERN was supposed to remain confidential, and I think there might have been good reasons for that. 22passi also has a National Instruments (Italy) Press Release -- with CERN and Rossi (Leonardi) in the same paragraph ! http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/01/se-ha-ragione-ocasapiens.html Link to http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/web/all/0EDB0AF6A3E7862579560030DDD8 Google translate : National Instruments provides solutions in the field of high energy physics PRESS RELEASE - National Instruments continues to provide measurement and control technologies for high performance in research and physics. NI offers standard commercial tools (COTS - commercial off-the-shelf) to support thousands of technicians and engineers working to meet the challenges of the alternative energy sector with sophisticated devices. With the design of software systems NI LabVIEW , modular instrumentation PXI platform, reconfigurable control and acquisition NI CompactRIO and other tools, National Instruments has supported many researchers to simplify the development of projects, offering advanced control solutions that would otherwise be been prohibitively expensive. For over 35 years, National Instruments has offered to innovators the tools they need to cope with major engineering challenges in the world, said Stephen Concezzi, sciences segment manager at National Instruments and big physics. We are excited about the many opportunities to support our customers to simplify the development of energy projects or advanced physics. Innovators around the world use the approach of the graphic design of NI to respond effectively to major engineering challenges in the medical field , in urban infrastructure, alternative energy and other critical applications in character. Especially in the field of physics, NI has provided solutions to some of the most advanced projects including the ' LHC (Large Hadron Collider) at CERN and the control systems of Tokamak . In addition, the Corporation intends to enter Leonardo NI tools in its control system. For more info on NI solutions for big physics applications visit ni.com / physics . About National Instruments National Instruments ( italy.ni.com ) is revolutionizing the way in which engineers and scientists design, prototype and deploy systems for measurement, automation and embedded applications.
Re: [Vo]:New Krivit Stuff
I don't like Krivits behavior, still: Why don't they just throw him out / cancel his membership / whatsoever? Shouldn't be too difficult, or? Also, if information should be kept confidential, then why post it on any kind of semi-public forum? Wolf It wouldn't be the first time that Krivit would have released something that he shouldn't have. All of the recent info that comes to mind was all derived from CMNS communications. Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:19:41 +0100 From: shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Krivit Stuff On 2012-01-18 21:12, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Two new entries .. both interesting High-Energy Meets Low-Energy: A First at CERN http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/16/high-energy-meets-low-energy-a-first-at-cern/ According to Daniele Passerini (22passi), who's received a copy as well, Celani's email about CERN was supposed to remain confidential, and I think there might have been good reasons for that. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:57:36 -0800: Hi, [snip] What if you could take something like uranium-238, which is relatively abundant, add sufficient neutrons to it and then let it alpha and beta decay to uranium-235? Since any amount of U235 created would be small, you would still have the problem of extracting it from the U238, just as you do with natural Uranium. In short no one would bother. Why wait years to get the equivalent of something that you can dig out of the ground right now? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Congress responds quickly to opposition to SOPA and PIPA -- how this relates to cold fusion
Google, Wikipedia and many other web sites are campaigning against the proposed laws governing the Internet, the so-called SOPA and PIPA acts. Key supporters of the acts in Congress have already bowed to public pressure. The acts are not likely to pass. See: http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/01/16/jimmy_wales_wikipedia_blackout_to_protest_sopa_on_wednesday.html If it becomes generally known that cold fusion is real, and that it will save thousands of dollars a year per person, there will be an enormous brouhaha in the mass media. There is likely to be opposition to cold fusion from the fossil fuel industry, the DoE and others. Some people, including Ed Storms, predict that it may take many years to push aside this opposition to allow reactors and commercial development in the U.S. I suppose that is possible, but I predict another scenario. I predict that people will be outraged when they learn that vested interests are preventing them from saving huge sums of money. Nothing excites people more than money. Nothing is more likely to trigger widespread activism. I predict the voters will raise hell, the way they are today with SOPA and PIPA. Within months, or perhaps even weeks, the opposition will be swept aside. I predicate this prediction on the hope that the public becomes fully aware of the potential of cold fusion. It is possible this potential will not be reported in the mass media. Perhaps the mass media will continue to report the kind of nonsense Mark Gibbs in Forbes has been publishing lately. In that case, all bets are off. Cold fusion will be effectively suppressed if that happens. It all depends on whether we can reach the public, and motivate the public. I quoted a British engineer in the intro to my book, who described how it was that effective anti-pollution laws were finally passed in England, after centuries of dithering: on public opinion, and on it alone, finally rests the issue. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:mechanical-to-optical coupling
Where’s the proof? From: fznidar...@aol.com The Constants of the Motion Tend toward the Electromagnetic in a Bose condensate stimulated at a Dimensional Frequency of 1.094 megahertz meters Frank Znidarsic 1999. As before, Mechanical waves couple with electromagnetic waves under this condition. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene Yes, and let me add this. Peter Hagelstein has been the primary proponent of the “magic phonon” hypothesis - the nearly complete adsorption of gamma rays by phonons - but he is quick to admit there is no physical evidence for it. What he does not say is that the evidence would be incredibly easy for him to demonstrate, if it were there - and moreover - within walking distance for him to find the proper place to do it. He can get surely get free time on a beam line at MIT or other source of gamma radiation. Following which, the procedure to measure Pd-D to see if it does absorb gammas (nearly perfectly) or not, is almost self-evident. Yes, It is that simple ! … yet it has not been done. Connect the dots. The lack of evidence in this case, where it should be so simple to come by, is itself evidence indicating that the magic-phonon hypothesis is bogus. Jones From: Nigel Dyer I think we should be considering the possibility that there are no gammas in the first place. After the LENR event the nucleus will be in a highly excited and state and will need to release its energy. The conventional route is via gamma (and/or an energetic particle) with the options determined by energy and momentum balance. One possibility that keeps being suggested in this forum is that there is some kind of resonant optical vibrational mode within small domains within the lattice. The more quanta of energy there is associated with the mode, the higher the probability that energy from some coupled excited state will be coupled into the state (because quanta of vibrational energy obey Bose statistics). This will then pump the mode to a more energetic state, much in the manner of a laser. This may be the route that the energy from the excited Nickel/Copper nucleus is able to be coupled to thermal lattice energy, via the intermediate resonant mode. The principles of such systems were looked at by Herbert Frohlich in the 1960's http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960168902429 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960168902429 If this was the case, then what we ought to be doing is seeing if we can extract the energy from the mode before it is thermalized, which would dramatically increase the efficiency of the system if we want it to do work, such as generate electricity. Nigel Jones Beene wrote: Hi Mark Good finds – burning the midnight oil it seems - but for the record, the massive preponderance of evidence is that gammas are not absorbed into phonons. In fact there is not a single shred of evidence that this can happen. Jones
Re: [Vo]:New Krivit Stuff
I'm not 100% sure of this but it is my understanding Mr.Krivit isn't a member of CMNS. The implication is that someone (or several individuals) who are CMNS members privately feed Krivit CMNS information. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Congress responds quickly to opposition to SOPA and PIPA -- how this relates to cold fusion
Jed, I agree with you that it all depends on how fast the LENR community gets the truth out. Therefore, as much as I would prefer your scenario over Eds, getting the truth out is exactly the problem IMHO: The media will brainwash people and the big energy lobby will brainwash the politicians. Let some mass media promote the idea that cold fusion involves a nuclear reaction (also including some gamma rays) and nuclear reactions are bad (just look at Fukushima). Just some stupid statement like this and it will become much more difficult and will take a longer time to get the truth out. Additional time which will help lobbyists to force some political actions regarding the protection of the economy (which is not that far fetched regarding a short term view and this is what it is mostly about today, sadly enough). Therefore you would have fear for your health (gamma rays...) and fear for your job. It's fear which helps you steer the people. Wolf Google, Wikipedia and many other web sites are campaigning against the proposed laws governing the Internet, the so-called SOPA and PIPA acts. Key supporters of the acts in Congress have already bowed to public pressure. The acts are not likely to pass. See: http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/01/16/jimmy_wales_wikipedia_blackout_to_protest_sopa_on_wednesday.html If it becomes generally known that cold fusion is real, and that it will save thousands of dollars a year per person, there will be an enormous brouhaha in the mass media. There is likely to be opposition to cold fusion from the fossil fuel industry, the DoE and others. Some people, including Ed Storms, predict that it may take many years to push aside this opposition to allow reactors and commercial development in the U.S. I suppose that is possible, but I predict another scenario. I predict that people will be outraged when they learn that vested interests are preventing them from saving huge sums of money. Nothing excites people more than money. Nothing is more likely to trigger widespread activism. I predict the voters will raise hell, the way they are today with SOPA and PIPA. Within months, or perhaps even weeks, the opposition will be swept aside. I predicate this prediction on the hope that the public becomes fully aware of the potential of cold fusion. It is possible this potential will not be reported in the mass media. Perhaps the mass media will continue to report the kind of nonsense Mark Gibbs in Forbes has been publishing lately. In that case, all bets are off. Cold fusion will be effectively suppressed if that happens. It all depends on whether we can reach the public, and motivate the public. I quoted a British engineer in the intro to my book, who described how it was that effective anti-pollution laws were finally passed in England, after centuries of dithering: on public opinion, and on it alone, finally rests the issue. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the collage. It looks like the container has never been moved from its original location. It is probably the same container, in that case. I think it would be difficult to place a second one in exactly the same spot. I was watching people erect a concrete parking garage the other day. They were moving huge beams and pre-formed slabs into precisely aligned positions, with a crane. This can be done, but it is a lot of work. I assume if they brought in a second shipping container they would not go to the effort to set it down precisely where the first one was. - Jed
[Vo]:How Corporations Respond To Challenge
Once upon a time, a fellow named Ralph challenged GM because of their dangerous products. How did they respond to this technological/legal issue? Simply apologize and fix the problem with the Corvair's rear axle (I owned one)? No, GM hired investigators to dig up some dirt on Ralph Nader and also tried to entrap him with prostitutes ( didn't work, he was frustratingly pure) http://www.harley.com/people/ralph-nader.html In Senate testimony, GM was forced to apologize to Nader. Ask yourself, how much of the iceberg is below water, unseen? How far would a corporation or the government go to prevent disruptive technology? Remember though, first they must perceive something as disruptive. It does no good if the technology emerges too quickly or too indistinctly for them to respond in time. Long distance carriers and other utilities companies lamented their failure to apply better (metered) charges for internet use, while it was still in its infancy. IBM curses the day they chose hardware manufacture , handing over disc operating systems to some shlub named Gates. Who knows? Entrenched, pseudo-skepticism about LENR might even save some inventor/researchers lives - allowing for it to emerge.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
On 18 January 2012 23:57, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the collage. It looks like the container has never been moved from its original location. It is probably the same container, in that case. I think it would be difficult to place a second one in exactly the same spot. And also demoplants ad hoc configuration where ecats were stacked on top of the container does not look like that it was indented for sale. It still looks more like a prototype than actual product for sale. –Jouni
Re: [Vo]:Rossi selling Licenses?
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Until the NI control system is developed, Rossi is the only operator qualified to keep the E-Cat within operational limits through manual control. Because of improper temperature control due to operational inexperience and/or ineptness, another untrained outside tester will either cause the E-Cat to flame out or melt down. Rossi may change his mind about letting a third party operator get his hand on the controls of the E-Cat for demos when the moron/snake proof automated control system is debugged and made operational. I would just love to see a melt down or even better one of those famous explosions Rossi mentioned on his blog a while back. Then we could measure the yield and learn something maybe. Of course it should be out in the desert where nobody would be hurt. I wish Rossi would give us just one explosion. I'd settle for 0.01 kiloton-hr per hr (just Rossifying the units).
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
If this container looks like the same container, in the exact same spot, and it is unlikely that they would go to the trouble of repeatedly placing different containers (or the same container multiple times) in the exact spot, doesn't that mean that the original 1-MW container has never left Rossi's facility? What does that suggest about his story that the secret customer took delivery of it? John From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com It is probably the same container, in that case. I think it would be difficult to place a second one in exactly the same spot. I was watching people erect a concrete parking garage the other day. They were moving huge beams and pre-formed slabs into precisely aligned positions, with a crane. This can be done, but it is a lot of work. I assume if they brought in a second shipping container they would not go to the effort to set it down precisely where the first one was. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: 1) so they are wearing jackets in the warehouse; in many tilt-up industrial parks like this, a small (front) section is walled off and made into offices and *is* heated, whereas the large warehouse section is not heated to save on heating costs. Tell me again why the office and wharehouse of the owner of a megawatt plant whose output is thermal remains frigidly cold? Reminds me of these: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Just some speculation from my side, but I think that the reactor has been moved at least once. In the following video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t19C-7WJPTMfeature=related taken from the october 28th, the camera man starts at the back of the BBB and then moves along the left side of the reactor to the front. On the left side, there is another table standing and still the camera man seems to get though without problems. If you compare this to the pictures from my collage (especially at 1,1), there seems to be less space on the picture, especially at the opening to the front. But perhaps this is just my perception. Wolf Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the collage. It looks like the container has never been moved from its original location. It is probably the same container, in that case. I think it would be difficult to place a second one in exactly the same spot. I was watching people erect a concrete parking garage the other day. They were moving huge beams and pre-formed slabs into precisely aligned positions, with a crane. This can be done, but it is a lot of work. I assume if they brought in a second shipping container they would not go to the effort to set it down precisely where the first one was. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Akira, Then are you saying Rossi was a bit untruthful when he said the customer was completely satisfied with the demo, and took delivery? Anyway - I'm not so sure that it is exactly in the same position on Jan 12 as Oct 28. It is in a similar position, as it would need to be, near the loading dock door and on the mat. Jones -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa It looks like the container has never been moved from its original location. Cheers, S.A. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
I did some further analysis of the picture and I am now pretty sure that the Ecat has either NOT been moved or it has been put back to exactly the same position. I have reuploaded the picture in the following link: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/ecatcollage.png/ The important stuff is in the pictures in row 3 (i drew a red circle around the additional black lines and the crossings which I think are important; At the back of the ecat I only inserted the vertical black line, the crossing horizontal black line is from the window / wall / whatever). Both vertically as well as horizontally this seems to be the same position (give or take a few centimeters because of the picture resolution as well as the slightly different angle / position of the camera man). Wolf Akira, Then are you saying Rossi was a bit untruthful when he said the customer was completely satisfied with the demo, and took delivery? Anyway - I'm not so sure that it is exactly in the same position on Jan 12 as Oct 28. It is in a similar position, as it would need to be, near the loading dock door and on the mat. Jones -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa It looks like the container has never been moved from its original location. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
I agree, the positioning and detail of the container seems identical to a degree that is unlikely if it were not the same container. Is it absolutely sure that these videos were taken months apart? On 18 January 2012 23:18, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: I did some further analysis of the picture and I am now pretty sure that the Ecat has either NOT been moved or it has been put back to exactly the same position. I have reuploaded the picture in the following link: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-**images/696/ecatcollage.png/http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/ecatcollage.png/ The important stuff is in the pictures in row 3 (i drew a red circle around the additional black lines and the crossings which I think are important; At the back of the ecat I only inserted the vertical black line, the crossing horizontal black line is from the window / wall / whatever). Both vertically as well as horizontally this seems to be the same position (give or take a few centimeters because of the picture resolution as well as the slightly different angle / position of the camera man). Wolf Akira, Then are you saying Rossi was a bit untruthful when he said the customer was completely satisfied with the demo, and took delivery? Anyway - I'm not so sure that it is exactly in the same position on Jan 12 as Oct 28. It is in a similar position, as it would need to be, near the loading dock door and on the mat. Jones -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa It looks like the container has never been moved from its original location. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
The interview was in Bologna on Jan 12, but it does not mean that all the footage in this video was also taken in Jan 12. Maybe it's a montage from older videos. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: I did some further analysis of the picture and I am now pretty sure that the Ecat has either NOT been moved or it has been put back to exactly the same position. I have reuploaded the picture in the following link: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-**images/696/ecatcollage.png/http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/ecatcollage.png/ The important stuff is in the pictures in row 3 (i drew a red circle around the additional black lines and the crossings which I think are important; At the back of the ecat I only inserted the vertical black line, the crossing horizontal black line is from the window / wall / whatever). Both vertically as well as horizontally this seems to be the same position (give or take a few centimeters because of the picture resolution as well as the slightly different angle / position of the camera man). Wolf Akira, Then are you saying Rossi was a bit untruthful when he said the customer was completely satisfied with the demo, and took delivery? Anyway - I'm not so sure that it is exactly in the same position on Jan 12 as Oct 28. It is in a similar position, as it would need to be, near the loading dock door and on the mat. Jones -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa It looks like the container has never been moved from its original location. Cheers, S.A. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
At 03:18 PM 1/18/2012, Wolf Fischer wrote: I did some further analysis of the picture and I am now pretty sure that the Ecat has either NOT been moved or it has been put back to exactly the same position. I have reuploaded the picture in the following link: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/ecatcollage.png/ The important stuff is in the pictures in row 3 (i drew a red circle around the additional black lines and the crossings which I think are important; At the back of the ecat I only inserted the vertical black line, the crossing horizontal black line is from the window / wall / whatever). Both vertically as well as horizontally this seems to be the same position (give or take a few centimeters because of the picture resolution as well as the slightly different angle / position of the camera man). Wolf I photoshopped the heck out of it (Copying Line 3 first image over second image, and then warping the first image to match the second). Based on the 3 red cylinders and the pipes connecting to them, I'd say that it's the exact same Big Blue Box. The pipes seem to have exactly the same bends. And it doesn't seem to have moved (or if so, not by more than a few inches). If anyone really, really cares about it, I'll make an animated GIF to fade from one image to the other.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
I really really care about it! :) 2012/1/18 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com At 03:18 PM 1/18/2012, Wolf Fischer wrote: I did some further analysis of the picture and I am now pretty sure that the Ecat has either NOT been moved or it has been put back to exactly the same position. I have reuploaded the picture in the following link: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-**images/696/ecatcollage.png/http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/ecatcollage.png/ The important stuff is in the pictures in row 3 (i drew a red circle around the additional black lines and the crossings which I think are important; At the back of the ecat I only inserted the vertical black line, the crossing horizontal black line is from the window / wall / whatever). Both vertically as well as horizontally this seems to be the same position (give or take a few centimeters because of the picture resolution as well as the slightly different angle / position of the camera man). Wolf I photoshopped the heck out of it (Copying Line 3 first image over second image, and then warping the first image to match the second). Based on the 3 red cylinders and the pipes connecting to them, I'd say that it's the exact same Big Blue Box. The pipes seem to have exactly the same bends. And it doesn't seem to have moved (or if so, not by more than a few inches). If anyone really, really cares about it, I'll make an animated GIF to fade from one image to the other. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
I have done a blink comparison. The 2 images were not taken from exactly the same spot. I have tried to apply corrections. https://picasaweb.google.com/100758632386227249211/January192012?authuser=0feat=directlink Apparently it is the same E-Cat BBB as from 28 Oct 2011. Look at the orientation of the white labels on the 3 red bottles. They are identical as are the angles of the pipes connecting them to the Fat E-Cat modules. It is difficult to believe the Red bottles would have been screwed on and fixed to their receptors at exactly the same rotation angle, so the white labels are in exactly the same orientation in the 2 images. Likewise for the vertical pipes. They are in the same relative alignment and angle to each other on 12 Jan 2012 and 28 Oct 2011. From those video based images I have assumed the 28 Oct 2011 BBB and the 12 Jan 2012 BBB is the same BBB. The position appears to be virtually the same judging from the front edge of the left forward fork lift lifting hole versus the painted to unpainted floor line where it crosses the bottom of the BBB and from the alignment of the left rear upper corner of the BBB versus the frame work on the upper wall of the building. If anything the Jan BBB may be slightly closer to the door. There has been work done inside the unit. AG On 19/01/2012 5:17 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Have a look at this interesting Youtube video by ecat.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc Apparently it's been filmed on January 12th. It shows that: - Rossi is currently in Bologna - Rossi's test site appears to be cold - The 1 MW E-Cat container shown during the last public demo is in Bologna too - There appears to be a new control box. Have I missed anything else? Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Daniel, So too do I care about these images! What we don't really know is if the Jan 12 2012 video is really from Jan 12 2012 or not. In the Oct 28 image there are a lot of stains on the floor in front of the E-Cat. In the Jan 12 images, these stains are missing. I do note there are other stains on the floor that are in both images. I would expect that as time passes, the floor will accumulate more and more stains. Less stains = earlier photo, more stains = later photo AG On 19/01/2012 10:34 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I really really care about it! :) 2012/1/18 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com At 03:18 PM 1/18/2012, Wolf Fischer wrote: I did some further analysis of the picture and I am now pretty sure that the Ecat has either NOT been moved or it has been put back to exactly the same position. I have reuploaded the picture in the following link: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-__images/696/ecatcollage.png/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/ecatcollage.png/ The important stuff is in the pictures in row 3 (i drew a red circle around the additional black lines and the crossings which I think are important; At the back of the ecat I only inserted the vertical black line, the crossing horizontal black line is from the window / wall / whatever). Both vertically as well as horizontally this seems to be the same position (give or take a few centimeters because of the picture resolution as well as the slightly different angle / position of the camera man). Wolf I photoshopped the heck out of it (Copying Line 3 first image over second image, and then warping the first image to match the second). Based on the 3 red cylinders and the pipes connecting to them, I'd say that it's the exact same Big Blue Box. The pipes seem to have exactly the same bends. And it doesn't seem to have moved (or if so, not by more than a few inches). If anyone really, really cares about it, I'll make an animated GIF to fade from one image to the other. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
-Original Message- From: Wolf Fischer I did some further analysis of the picture and I am now pretty sure that the E-cat has either NOT been moved or it has been put back to exactly the same position. Did anyone look for a time stamp on the video? It was obviously not taken at the same time at the earlier one, since the door is now closed. Also, when did the second video surface? Had Terry not posted that Rossi has already let it slip that he was replacing gaskets in the megawatt unit, then it would be easy for him, or a supporter to say the second video was taken on October 29, say, right before it was to be shipped, and furthermore that Rossi was doing the work at the customer's facility. Rght. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
At 04:04 PM 1/18/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: I really really care about it! :) http://lenr.qumbu.com/120118_bbb_000.gif All 6 MB of it
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Thank you very much! It looks like the same container with exactly the same stuff attached on. 2012/1/18 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com At 04:04 PM 1/18/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: I really really care about it! :) http://lenr.qumbu.com/120118_**bbb_000.gifhttp://lenr.qumbu.com/120118_bbb_000.gif All 6 MB of it -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Daniel, You seem to be implying that you are content that Rossi could have lied about there being a mystery customer, when there was none; instead of that he lied about the customer sending it back? Jones From: Daniel Rocha Thank you very much! It looks like the same container with exactly the same stuff attached on. http://lenr.qumbu.com/120118_bbb_000.gif All 6 MB of it
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Jones, All that can be said at the present point in time is the images are of the same BBB. Until we can determine the date of the Jan 12 video interview's images of the BBB, any assumptions are just guess work. Differential staining on the floor in front of the E-Cat plant is suggestive of the Jan 12 image actually being taken before the 28 Oct image. AG On 19/01/2012 11:41 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Daniel, You seem to be implying that you are content that Rossi could have lied about there being a mystery customer, when there was none; instead of that he lied about the customer sending it back? Jones
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AG, I agree. However, even if the maker of the Jan 12 vid incorporated a clip of the BBB from before it was shipped, we still have to deal with AR's statement that he was replacing gaskets on that same unit at this time. The location is not known but if it is somewhere besides Bologna, then that is the problem ... since the statement came hours before the interview - when we know he was in Bologna. Was he at the customer's facility the afternoon before, and then caught a quick flight back, to do the interview? That would explain it, but methinks the strings of rationalization that make this episode not seem to be as suspicious as it is - are getting longer by the hour. Again, let me say that my problem is NOT with the technology, which is valid, but with the man. Jones -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat Jones, All that can be said at the present point in time is the images are of the same BBB. Until we can determine the date of the Jan 12 video interview's images of the BBB, any assumptions are just guess work. Differential staining on the floor in front of the E-Cat plant is suggestive of the Jan 12 image actually being taken before the 28 Oct image. AG On 19/01/2012 11:41 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Daniel, You seem to be implying that you are content that Rossi could have lied about there being a mystery customer, when there was none; instead of that he lied about the customer sending it back? Jones
Re: [Vo]:How Corporations Respond To Challenge
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: IBM curses the day they chose hardware manufacture , handing over disc operating systems to some shlub named Gates. I'll bet they do! Who knows? Entrenched, pseudo-skepticism about LENR *might even save some inventor/researchers lives - allowing for it to emerge.* I doubt anyone's life is at stake, or ever has been, but if the technology survives it will be because the established vested interests ignored it instead of trying to crush it. Established companies usually do ignore threats to their existence, usually until it is too late. They do not take competition seriously unless it comes from an established competitor of their own size. Most competitors play by the same rules, so they are seldom an existential threat. See the books by Christensen for details. http://www.claytonchristensen.com/ Established companies seldom if ever try to develop radically new technology, especially when it is likely to shrink the overall dollar value of the market. - Jed
[Vo]:Misunderstanding Rossi
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Did anyone look for a time stamp on the video? It was obviously not taken at the same time at the earlier one, since the door is now closed. Also, when did the second video surface? Had Terry not posted that Rossi has already let it slip that he was replacing gaskets in the megawatt unit, then it would be easy for him, or a supporter to say the second video was taken on October 29, say, right before it was to be shipped, and furthermore that Rossi was doing the work at the customer's facility. Rght. How has Rossi survived financially? When AR made his agreement with DGT, he made it clear that they could have rights to all but the military. Many on the internet interpreted this to mean that AR did NOT want his invention to be used by the military and assigned him to noble causes (not Nobel, who regretted making TNT). Well, this author interpreted it differently. I saw it as an indication that AR already HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE MILITARY. (I know, Mary, don't bother.) Now, all indications (to this author) is that AR is being funded by the military and his demonstration in October marked a milestone for a payment whether they took delivery or not. I would suggest that he probably got €500M or more and now is working to achieve full duty operation in order to achieve a second milestone. Or not. T
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Again, let me say that my problem is NOT with the technology, which is valid, but with the man. Again let me ask: IF the technology is valid then WHY do you give a rat's ass about the man?! What difference does he make? I cannot understand this obsession that you share with Mary Yugo about Rossi's personality and his personal business. Shrug your shoulders and stop thinking about him. He is a strange fellow. We all know that. He will be a rich source of biographies in the future. There have been many strange scientists and inventors, and also many strange programmers, farmers, grocery clerks, doctors and ship captains -- such as Capt. Francesco Schettino of the Costa Concordia. We got it. Okay, already. Change the subject. - Jed
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What if there was a political figure up for a re-election whose chances at re-election were iffy. How would this political figure use this to his advantage after other various green energy initiatives back fired? Would you have one of your agencies buy a few units and work with the inventor to claim that this was a result of a special support program to create new industry and jobs? What would be the outcome of an announcement that the politician lead the effort and provided financing and technical support for development? When would you have the scientist's come forward with the discovery? Early fall? Late summer? October? Remember Al Gore invented the Internet! On Jan 18, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Did anyone look for a time stamp on the video? It was obviously not taken at the same time at the earlier one, since the door is now closed. Also, when did the second video surface? Had Terry not posted that Rossi has already let it slip that he was replacing gaskets in the megawatt unit, then it would be easy for him, or a supporter to say the second video was taken on October 29, say, right before it was to be shipped, and furthermore that Rossi was doing the work at the customer's facility. Rght. How has Rossi survived financially? When AR made his agreement with DGT, he made it clear that they could have rights to all but the military. Many on the internet interpreted this to mean that AR did NOT want his invention to be used by the military and assigned him to noble causes (not Nobel, who regretted making TNT). Well, this author interpreted it differently. I saw it as an indication that AR already HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE MILITARY. (I know, Mary, don't bother.) Now, all indications (to this author) is that AR is being funded by the military and his demonstration in October marked a milestone for a payment whether they took delivery or not. I would suggest that he probably got €500M or more and now is working to achieve full duty operation in order to achieve a second milestone. Or not. T
Re: [Vo]:Misunderstanding Rossi
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Douglas Hill hil...@lemoyne.edu wrote: What if there was a political figure up for a re-election whose chances at re-election were iffy. This would presume that the military supported the re-election of the present political body. That could be interesting if the Manchurian Candidate was supported by the MIC that Eisenhower warned us about in 1961. Otherwise, I would see no reason for the military to support the current regime. The MIC seems to be independent of politics. T
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
But it is odd that he shows right after that Australian PR failure, with the missing conference, a video with the same container and same attachments without any apparent modification. It's like he's saying that there were no sale, no customer. It is like calling himself a scamer! 2012/1/19 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Again, let me say that my problem is NOT with the technology, which is valid, but with the man. Again let me ask: IF the technology is valid then WHY do you give a rat's ass about the man?! What difference does he make? I cannot understand this obsession that you share with Mary Yugo about Rossi's personality and his personal business. Shrug your shoulders and stop thinking about him. He is a strange fellow. We all know that. He will be a rich source of biographies in the future. There have been many strange scientists and inventors, and also many strange programmers, farmers, grocery clerks, doctors and ship captains -- such as Capt. Francesco Schettino of the Costa Concordia. We got it. Okay, already. Change the subject. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Jones, The only thing we do know for sure about that video is the date is was posted onto the internet. I do note in the first 10 seconds of the video you can see inside what may be a prototype of the home E-Cat, with a home sized parallel plate heat exchanger in the background. This is new and would suggest that at least the first part of the video was filmed post 28 Oct 2011. To me the image of the Jan 12 plant looks to be earlier than the 28 Oct images from several details such as the floor stains, the work that is being done inside the BBB (lot of wires are not attached) and the Brown Box controller is not connected to the BBB. Would think, being an engineer, if the plant had been returned, the first thing to do would be to attach the controller and run it up to recheck which modules are leaking. I suggest the 12 Jan images of the BBB are pre the 28 Oct test and we really can't date when the interview was done. AG On 19/01/2012 12:23 PM, Jones Beene wrote: AG, I agree. However, even if the maker of the Jan 12 vid incorporated a clip of the BBB from before it was shipped, we still have to deal with AR's statement that he was replacing gaskets on that same unit at this time. The location is not known but if it is somewhere besides Bologna, then that is the problem ... since the statement came hours before the interview - when we know he was in Bologna. Was he at the customer's facility the afternoon before, and then caught a quick flight back, to do the interview? That would explain it, but methinks the strings of rationalization that make this episode not seem to be as suspicious as it is - are getting longer by the hour. Again, let me say that my problem is NOT with the technology, which is valid, but with the man. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest the 12 Jan images of the BBB are pre the 28 Oct test and we really can't date when the interview was done. There are colored tags on the combination manifold at the bottom of the B^3. It looks to me that the tags are in the same position in both videos. T
Re: [Vo]:Misunderstanding Rossi
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: The MIC seems to be independent of politics. Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between the tail and the dog. T
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Daniel, Look at the stains on the floor in front of the opened doors of the BBB on 28 Oct and in the supposed 12 Jan video. No stains in the 12 Jan image and stains in the 28 Oct video. Also the 12 Jan BBB video is of a E-Cat in construction (lots of things inside not connected) and in the Oct 28 video of a completed plant. This suggests the 12 Jan 2012 video of the BBB was taken before 28 Oct 2011. However the images of the new home E-Cat prototype and the home sized parallel plate heat exchanger are new. AG On 19/01/2012 1:05 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: But it is odd that he shows right after that Australian PR failure, with the missing conference, a video with the same container and same attachments without any apparent modification. It's like he's saying that there were no sale, no customer. It is like calling himself a scamer!
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
I cannot see colors well, I have some color blindness, deuteranomaly. Can you enhance the image? 2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com Daniel, Look at the stains on the floor in front of the opened doors of the BBB on 28 Oct and in the supposed 12 Jan video. No stains in the 12 Jan image and stains in the 28 Oct video. Also the 12 Jan BBB video is of a E-Cat in construction (lots of things inside not connected) and in the Oct 28 video of a completed plant. This suggests the 12 Jan 2012 video of the BBB was taken before 28 Oct 2011. However the images of the new home E-Cat prototype and the home sized parallel plate heat exchanger are new. AG On 19/01/2012 1:05 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: But it is odd that he shows right after that Australian PR failure, with the missing conference, a video with the same container and same attachments without any apparent modification. It's like he's saying that there were no sale, no customer. It is like calling himself a scamer! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Misunderstanding Rossi
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I would suggest that he probably got €500M or more and now is working to achieve full duty operation in order to achieve a second milestone. Check that. €500k was what I intended to say. But, as Bob has so gracefully pointed out, I have a problem with exponents. T
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Admitted, like many of you, I had loved to discover differences in the BBB setup: scratches, transportation numbers, etc. But they don't seem to be there. I've been thinking this: E-cat.com and the swedish guys behind it have a business to run. Even if run by physicists, they are mainly involved for the sales opportunity. They must be pretty much outside the loop of the 10kW E-Cat development, and even if they were in the loop, it's not ready for selling. So to start making money now, they have to turn to the 1 MW unit, which is advertised as 'available now, lead time 4 months'. As part of their marketing, they must have come up with this plan for an interview. Upon arrival in Bologna with their cameras, they discover the hall to be pretty empty, (at least I find that plausible from most of the footage). For audience late to the story, that doesn't do them much good for credibility of the existence of the 1 MW container. The point I am trying to make is: wouldn't it be plain logical, then, to use some older footage they must have made in late October or early November, when their deal was struck, and mix this in with the interview? In other words: For us vortexers, seeing an empty spot would have been great confirmation, but from a marketing perspective: pretty dull info. Want to show large blue boxes! Andre Blum On 01/18/2012 10:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net mailto:jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Again, let me say that my problem is NOT with the technology, which is valid, but with the man. Again let me ask: IF the technology is valid then WHY do you give a rat's ass about the man?! What difference does he make? I cannot understand this obsession that you share with Mary Yugo about Rossi's personality and his personal business. Shrug your shoulders and stop thinking about him. He is a strange fellow. We all know that. He will be a rich source of biographies in the future. There have been many strange scientists and inventors, and also many strange programmers, farmers, grocery clerks, doctors and ship captains -- such as Capt. Francesco Schettino of the Costa Concordia. We got it. Okay, already. Change the subject. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Jed sez: Jones Beene wrote: Again, let me say that my problem is NOT with the technology, which is valid, but with the man. Again let me ask: IF the technology is valid then WHY do you give a rat's ass about the man?! What difference does he make? I cannot understand this obsession that you share with Mary Yugo about Rossi's personality and his personal business. Shrug your shoulders and stop thinking about him. He is a strange fellow. We all know that. He will be a rich source of biographies in the future. There have been many strange scientists and inventors, and also many strange programmers, farmers, grocery clerks, doctors and ship captains -- such as Capt. Francesco Schettino of the Costa Concordia. We got it. Okay, already. Change the subject. I second that. Unfortunately, this is what tends to happen when we've had a couple of slow news days. We begin fighting over yesterday's informational scraps and tidbits. Some of us seem to have acquired a genuine talent for going back and resurrecting something odd that Rossi sed. Of course, that is not difficult to do since there has been such a smorgasbord of Rossi sayings to choose from. I'm sure Rossi will say something even more outrageous, or contradictory soon. What will we end up doing about that? Why, put it through the meat grinder, of course... just like everything else. I want my Rossi burger medium-rare please. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Daniel, See what I can do. Will play with Gamma and Contrast. Did you look at MY blinker? It is very obvious. https://picasaweb.google.com/100758632386227249211/January192012?authuser=0feat=directlink You need to click on the LEFT image in the album to see the animated GIF image changing every 0.5 second. AG On 19/01/2012 1:26 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I cannot see colors well, I have some color blindness, deuteranomaly. Can you enhance the image?
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
If you know anything about engineers... good engineers... they are real anal about details, and the fact that all the labels on things all being in the same orientation is not strong evidence of the same container. This certainly is an interesting set of pictures, and raises questions in my mind, but still inconclusive... the only certainty in the last year's events is uncertainty. -mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest the 12 Jan images of the BBB are pre the 28 Oct test and we really can't date when the interview was done. There are colored tags on the combination manifold at the bottom of the B^3. It looks to me that the tags are in the same position in both videos. T
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: It is very obvious. Indeed it is. The telltale is the tilt in the pipe feeding the pressure meter on the outside. The only question, as Beene points out, is when the vid was filmed. IMO, the B^3 is unmoved. (Besides, the top Ottomans outside the box would have been blown off when pulled by a truck.) Probably archived stock anyway. T
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
1. Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-172039 Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. 2. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=14#comment-172124 Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: It is very obvious. Indeed it is. The telltale is the tilt in the pipe feeding the pressure meter on the outside. The only question, as Beene points out, is when the vid was filmed. IMO, the B^3 is unmoved. (Besides, the top Ottomans outside the box would have been blown off when pulled by a truck.) Probably archived stock anyway. T -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Daniel, Try this image of the non and stained floors. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/shO4Ub6pXlC5p1kWhUIZ89MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink AG On 19/01/2012 1:26 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I cannot see colors well, I have some color blindness, deuteranomaly. Can you enhance the image?
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Can't those stains be cleaned? 2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com Daniel, Try this image of the non and stained floors. https://picasaweb.google.com/**lh/photo/**shO4Ub6pXlC5p1kWhUIZ89MTjNZETY** myPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlinkhttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/shO4Ub6pXlC5p1kWhUIZ89MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink AG On 19/01/2012 1:26 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I cannot see colors well, I have some color blindness, deuteranomaly. Can you enhance the image? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Rossi videos remind me of the Blair Witch Project. The camera just needs to shake a little more. On Wednesday, January 18, 2012, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PM Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 Andrea Rossi talks about E-cat manufacturing and future electric production. In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PM Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: It is very obvious. Indeed it is. The telltale is the tilt in the pipe feeding the pressure meter on the outside. The only question, as Beene points out, is when the vid was filmed. IMO, the B^3 is unmoved. (Besides, the top Ottomans outside the box would have been blown off when pulled by a truck.) Probably archived stock anyway. T -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Daniel, Sure but other floor stains in the same area have not been removed / cleaned up. Note the dirty area is not just in front of the BBB. It continues along the edge of the painted / non painted edge in front of the BBB. There are no signs of scratched on the painted floor where various pieces of heavy equipment sat as well. I have looked at / studied every image of the 28 Oct E-Cat plant I could find. I find the Jan 12 images look / feel earlier than 28 Oct but I could be wrong. AG On 19/01/2012 1:56 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Can't those stains be cleaned?
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
You guys must have missed the post by Patrick Ellul: 1. Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PM Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. 2. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PM Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. - the floor strings are a moot point...someone must have mopped Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:05:47 +1030 From: aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Daniel, Sure but other floor stains in the same area have not been removed / cleaned up. Note the dirty area is not just in front of the BBB. It continues along the edge of the painted / non painted edge in front of the BBB. There are no signs of scratched on the painted floor where various pieces of heavy equipment sat as well. I have looked at / studied every image of the 28 Oct E-Cat plant I could find. I find the Jan 12 images look / feel earlier than 28 Oct but I could be wrong. AG On 19/01/2012 1:56 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Can't those stains be cleaned?
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
This is comical! Ya gotta laugh. So, did Rossi confirm what the Collective seems to be converging to??? Y Thnk!!! BTW, Thanks go to Patrick Ellul for taking the direct route, and just asking the horse! Good job Patrick! -Mark From: Robert Leguillon [mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com You guys must have missed the post by Patrick Ellul: 1. Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PM Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. 2. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PM Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. - the floor strings are a moot point...someone must have mopped
Re: [Vo]:Misunderstanding Rossi
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: (I know, Mary, don't bother.) Don't mind if I do. After all, you brought it up! Now, all indications (to this author) is that AR is being funded by the military Could you indulge me by revealing exactly what indications there are that AR has anything whatever to do with the US or any other military and is being funded by military groups, other than that the probable shill he put up during the October 28 demo was given the arbitrary rank of Colonel?
Re: [Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency
I don’t believe that neutrons are involved in the Rossi reaction. The best indication now is that two PROTONS gently tunnel their way into a heavy nucleus. Next, a truism of bomb physics: isotopes with even mass numbers cannot be used for a bomb. The mass number of U238 is 238. This is even. Therefore, this isotope cannot be used to make a bomb. The number of protons in the nucleus of an atom determines an element's atomic number. In other words, each element has a unique number that identifies how many protons are in one atom of that element. For example, all hydrogen atoms, and only hydrogen atoms, contain one proton and have an atomic number of 1. All carbon atoms, and only carbon atoms, contain six protons and have an atomic number of 6. Oxygen atoms contain 8 protons and have an atomic number of 8. Adding two protons to U238 will give Plutonium 240. This stuff has an even mass number and cannot be used to make a bomb. Only odd mass number isotopes can provide feedstock for bombs: that is U233, U235, Pu239, and Np237. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Sure, the US went off the gold standard decades ago (a mistake in my opinion), but where does money get invested when currencies weaken… precious metals. You do realize that we’re not just talking transmutation of two or three elements… the LENR tests which looked for transmuted elements found many… some over ten different elements, and I’m not counting isotopes as separate elements. LENR would most likely have a very disruptive impact on that market… which has advantages as well as disadvans… a lot of those metals are used in technologies like integrated circuits and special alloys for aircraft, and the price will come down, which is good for the consumer. Yeah -- I've taken a look at some of the NAA and SIMS spectra. The isotopes are all over the map. If the data are taken at face value, it looks like whatever you put on the nickel or palladium surface could potentially be modified significantly. It's interesting on some level to think that you could generate isotopes using a controlled process of some kind, and being able to do this would no doubt be valuable for scientific and technological applications. But there are three considerations that give me pause, here. The first two are related to evidence and the third to safety. First, a lot of the spectra in the papers are small and hard to read and don't give you clear error bars, so it's difficult to get a sense of how much above error the shifts are at the end of the experiment. Some papers give this level of detail, which is helpful to have. But in any event the following slides give a good overview of some of the subtleties involved in this kind of measurement: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ApicellaMmassspectr.pdf. Second, I don't have a good sense of what the difference between a genuine shift in isotopes, on one hand, and contamination of some kind, on the other, would look like. The question legitimately arises whether there are simply impurities in the hydrogen gas or heavy water that are glomming onto the cathode. I imagine there are some people who could look at the spectra and immediately get a sense of the difference. A third concern relates to safety. The possibility has already been brought up that if these experiments emit gamma rays (I've read several papers that indicate that they do under certain circumstances), then it's likely that any devices would be regulated. It's fine to create regulations, but since such devices involve components that you can purchase over the Internet and assemble at home, there's only so much you can do to keep any emerging technology under control. What if you could take something like uranium-238, which is relatively abundant, add sufficient neutrons to it and then let it alpha and beta decay to uranium-235? This is the kind of thing that happens in the course of r-process nucleosynthesis, which seems like it might be similar to what is going on in LENR. This chart suggests that if you can get something into the actinide series, you're well on your way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Radioactive_decay_chains_diagram.svg I can only imagine that there are complications here and there, including losing relatively unstable isotopes before they can accumulate. But the larger point is that the discovery of LENR, if it is real, might have negative implications as well as positive ones.
RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
I think, this is the first time for me that Rossi was caught in a direct lie... Or is it just me, remembering Rossi saying that the container had been shipped? Of course this also sheds some light on all the insider sources ;) Or Rossi is lieing again... Wolf -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet. Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net schrieb: This is comical! Ya gotta laugh. So, did Rossi confirm what the Collective seems to be converging to??? Y Thnk!!! BTW, Thanks go to Patrick Ellul for taking the direct route, and just asking the horse! Good job Patrick! -Mark From: Robert Leguillon [mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com You guys must have missed the post by Patrick Ellul: 1. Italo R. January 18th, 2012 at 2:02 PM Dear Ing. Rossi, I have watched this interview with you in Bologna realized on the 12th of January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc In it appears a 1 MW container. May I ask you if that container is the same used in the last test with ing. Fioravanti and already sold to your customer? Thank you. Kind regards, Italo R. 2. Andrea Rossi January 18th, 2012 at 6:44 PM Dear Italo R. Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments and with ! the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready. Warm Regards, A.R. - the floor strings are a moot point...someone must have mopped
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Perhaps the original 1MW plant never shipped to the customer's location as the customer wanted it fixed before shipping, i.e. the leaking gaskets, the control system etc. As I recall Rossi never said the unit was delivered to the customer's premises although I could be wrong on this. On 18/01/12 18:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Have a look at this interesting Youtube video by ecat.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pc Apparently it's been filmed on January 12th. It shows that: - Rossi is currently in Bologna - Rossi's test site appears to be cold - The 1 MW E-Cat container shown during the last "public" demo is in Bologna too - There appears to be a new control box. Have I missed anything else? Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Jones Isn't it possible that the US customer's facility is in Italy? If the customer is military, as speculated to be, then it's possible that they are using one of their bases in Italy to monitor and deal with Rossi and the 1MW plant. The US have a base near Vicensa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Italy) which is only 150Km from Bologna so it's quite possible that Rossi was at the 'customer's facility' the day before the interview. Not saying it's so but just saying we don't know everything. On 19/01/12 01:53, Jones Beene wrote: AG, I agree. However, even if the maker of the Jan 12 vid incorporated a clip of the BBB from before it was shipped, we still have to deal with AR's statement that he was "replacing gaskets" on that same unit at this time. The location is not known but if it is "somewhere" besides Bologna, then that is the problem ... since the statement came hours before the interview - when we know he was in Bologna. Was he at the customer's facility the afternoon before, and then caught a quick flight back, to do the interview? That would explain it, but methinks the strings of rationalization that make this episode "not seem" to be as suspicious as it is - are getting longer by the hour. Again, let me say that my problem is NOT with the technology, which is valid, but with the man. Jones -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat Jones, All that can be said at the present point in time is the images are of the same BBB. Until we can determine the date of the Jan 12 video interview's images of the BBB, any assumptions are just guess work. Differential staining on the floor in front of the E-Cat plant is suggestive of the Jan 12 image actually being taken before the 28 Oct image. AG On 19/01/2012 11:41 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Daniel, You seem to be implying that you are content that Rossi could have lied about there being a mystery customer, when there was none; instead of that he lied about the customer sending it back? Jones
Re: [Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency
By the way, fusion of protons with transuranic elements is very unlikely. But if somehow a proton(s) got inside a super heavy nucleus, fission of the new transmuted element would almost certainly happen instantaneously. Such a fission reaction would be 20 time more energetic per incident (~200MeV) compared to the formation of copper from nickel (~10 MeV). On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Sure, the US went off the gold standard decades ago (a mistake in my opinion), but where does money get invested when currencies weaken… precious metals. You do realize that we’re not just talking transmutation of two or three elements… the LENR tests which looked for transmuted elements found many… some over ten different elements, and I’m not counting isotopes as separate elements. LENR would most likely have a very disruptive impact on that market… which has advantages as well as disadvans… a lot of those metals are used in technologies like integrated circuits and special alloys for aircraft, and the price will come down, which is good for the consumer. Yeah -- I've taken a look at some of the NAA and SIMS spectra. The isotopes are all over the map. If the data are taken at face value, it looks like whatever you put on the nickel or palladium surface could potentially be modified significantly. It's interesting on some level to think that you could generate isotopes using a controlled process of some kind, and being able to do this would no doubt be valuable for scientific and technological applications. But there are three considerations that give me pause, here. The first two are related to evidence and the third to safety. First, a lot of the spectra in the papers are small and hard to read and don't give you clear error bars, so it's difficult to get a sense of how much above error the shifts are at the end of the experiment. Some papers give this level of detail, which is helpful to have. But in any event the following slides give a good overview of some of the subtleties involved in this kind of measurement: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ApicellaMmassspectr.pdf. Second, I don't have a good sense of what the difference between a genuine shift in isotopes, on one hand, and contamination of some kind, on the other, would look like. The question legitimately arises whether there are simply impurities in the hydrogen gas or heavy water that are glomming onto the cathode. I imagine there are some people who could look at the spectra and immediately get a sense of the difference. A third concern relates to safety. The possibility has already been brought up that if these experiments emit gamma rays (I've read several papers that indicate that they do under certain circumstances), then it's likely that any devices would be regulated. It's fine to create regulations, but since such devices involve components that you can purchase over the Internet and assemble at home, there's only so much you can do to keep any emerging technology under control. What if you could take something like uranium-238, which is relatively abundant, add sufficient neutrons to it and then let it alpha and beta decay to uranium-235? This is the kind of thing that happens in the course of r-process nucleosynthesis, which seems like it might be similar to what is going on in LENR. This chart suggests that if you can get something into the actinide series, you're well on your way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Radioactive_decay_chains_diagram.svg I can only imagine that there are complications here and there, including losing relatively unstable isotopes before they can accumulate. But the larger point is that the discovery of LENR, if it is real, might have negative implications as well as positive ones.
