Re: [Vo]:Latest report from Celani
Jed Don't rely too much on Celani and his crew English. It looks even worse that Rossi's slang. P.S. Sometimes he's hard to understand in Italian too :) 2013/4/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com The good folks at MFPM suggested that Celani's December presentation probably refers to the MFPM work described here: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/176-eu-cell-2-active-wire-run And here: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/176-eu-cell-2-active-wire-run And more recently, here: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/225-eu-v1-3-cell-progress They say Mathier will post a video tour and description of it in the next few days as an update. I sense that Celani may be reading more into these results than the MFMP people are. There may be an enthusiasm gap. That's just me. Judge for yourself. - Jed
[Vo]:Future Energy campaigs at MIT and Stanford
Perhaps some LENR-knowledgeable people could show up and toss a monkey wrench or two. ;-) http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=38f0d981013eb1139756aaa6a http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=38f0d981013eb1139756aaa6aid=07917ffeb3 e=ff83945204 id=07917ffeb3e=ff83945204 -Mark
[Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation. Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one. ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is measured http://phys.org/news/2013-03-affect-atom-adjusting.html [GO to website to see picture] All spin directions (represented by the spheres) collapse on one or the opposite direction depending on the measured photon polarization. NOTE THE WORDING, .collapse on ONE OR THE OPPOSITE direction (green areas). WHAT is being detected are the two extremes of the oscillation where it has to slow down and reverse direction. and thus, the oscillation spends the vast majority of its time at these two extremes, and is where we are most likely to OBSERVE it. This suggests that an observer can influence the collapse of superposition just by adjusting the orientation of his photon-polarization measurement apparatus. Yes, by adjusting the phase of the photon, which can be accomplished by adjusting the distance between photon source and target, or target and photon detector, will also result in similar results. - Quarks' spins dictate their location in the proton http://phys.org/news/2013-04-quarks-dictate-proton.html In a proton, quarks with spin pointed in the up direction (red and blue) tend to gather in the left half of the proton as seen by the incoming electron, whereas down-spinning quarks (green) tended to gather in the right half of the proton. [GO to website to see picture] -- LHC team observes first instance of D-mesons oscillating between matter and antimatter http://phys.org/news/2013-03-lhc-team-instance-d-mesons-oscillating.html Put simply, antimatter is identical to matter except that it exists with an opposite electrical charge. In this new research, the team was studying mesons-a group that along with other particles are made up of quarks. Mesons are made up of just two quarks, one matter, the other antimatter. Research over the years has led to theories that the quarks that exist as part of mesons, can oscillate between matter and antimatter. More recently, three (K-mesons and two types of B-mesons) out of the four known types of mesons had been shown to do just that, leaving just the D-meson. Now, with this new effort, researches at the LHC say their experiments have shown such oscillations exist for them as well. And so strong are the results that the team has given them a five sigma level of certainty. -- Ephemeral vacuum particles induce speed-of-light fluctuations http://phys.org/news/2013-03-ephemeral-vacuum-particles-speed-of-light-fluct uations.html Vacuum is one of the most intriguing concepts in physics. When observed at the quantum level, vacuum is not empty. It is filled with continuously appearing and disappearing particle pairs such as electron-positron or quark-antiquark pairs. These ephemeral particles are real particles, but their lifetimes are extremely short. --- AND THEY ARE COMING VERY CLOSE TO THE ELECTRON STROBE-LIGHT that I've been proposing for years. X-ray laser pulses in two colors http://phys.org/news/2013-03-x-ray-laser-pulses.html This combination of undulators and chicane provides nearly full control of the color separation, as well as of the time delay between colors, said Lutman. - phase is critical. Researchers discover a way to avoid decoherence in a quantum system http://phys.org/news/2013-03-decoherence-quantum.html the researchers fired single photons at atoms and then studied the results using a detector. When the photons struck the atoms, they were deflected, a process called scattering. In so doing, they discovered that if the photon struck an atom whose spin was not aligned in the same direction as its path, than the photon and atom became entangled-where two particles behave as if one, even at a distance. If the photon and atom's spin were aligned, however, entanglement did not occur. ---
Re: [Vo]:Logic and Synthesis paper published.
Best definition of intelligence is the art of not confounding mixing the points of view. The Bard's eating habits, sexuality or flatulence do not subtract from or add to his Genius. This includes his proverbial aversion for pommes frites or the passion for savarines. He remains uniquely unique. Peter On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:09 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-21993857 William Shakespeare: Study sheds light on Bard as food hoarder The Bard had his own problems. Cheers:Axil On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The mind of man is a dark and murky place. Its mysteries have been under development for over ten million years; one layer of complexity piled on another, from the most basic and animalistic to the most human and altruistic. As humanity struggled to overcome its animal nature shaped by the wilderness from which we have sprung to the exalted pinnacles of civilization where we aspire to be. But in that long march of time over the endless eons, none of the old mechanisms of mind have ever been replaced; they have only supplanted by evolution with the more modern machinery of thinking. The bottom line, we cannot fight our human nature; we can only learn to live with it. A strategy for problem solving that is not consistent with our nature is destined to be ineffective as a tool in meeting its ultimate goals. In the quest to understand ourselves, just how do our minds work: the conscious, subconscious, and unconscious? And what is the difference between them? The concept of three levels of mind has been around for some time now. Sigmund Freud, the famous Austrian psychologist was probably the first to study the dichotomy of mind and popularized that study into mainstream society as we know it today. Freud has bequeathed to us a useful model of the mind, which he separated into three tiers or sections – the conscious mind or ego, the preconscious, and the unconscious mind. One way to illustrate the concept of the three minds is by using a triangle. If you imagine at the very tip of the triangle is your conscious mind. It occupies only a small portion of space at the top, a bit like an iceberg where only a fraction of it is showing above the water. It probably represents about 10% of your brain capacity. This mental capability is newly developed and untried in the march of our evolution where communication of our thoughts requires some organization and logic to be transferred onward to others. Below this is a slightly larger section that Freud called the preconscious, or what some refer to as the subconscious. It is much larger than the conscious mind and accounts for around 50-60% of our brain capabilities. This mental process keeps our ancestors alive in their fight to struggle out of the wilds of our first habitats and is usually devoid of logic and science but the preserve of intuition and feeling. The section below this is the unconscious mind. It occupies the whole width of the base of the triangle and fills out the other 30-40% of the triangle. It is vast and deep and largely inaccessible to conscious thought, a bit like the dark depths of the ocean were the basest emotions live. Your conscious mind is what most people associate with who you are, because that is where most people live day to day. It is the thin veneer of our being. It is the outer edifice of our existence that we expose to the world. But it’s by no means where all the action takes place. Your conscious mind is a bit like the captain of a ship standing on the bridge giving out orders. In reality it’s the crew in the engine room below deck (the subconscious and the deeper unconscious) that carry out the orders. The captain may be in charge of the ship and give the orders but it’s the crew that actually guides the ship that does the dirty work, all according to what training they had been given over the years to best do so. Our conscious mind communicates to the outside world and the inner self through speech, pictures, writing, physical movement, and thought. The subconscious mind, on the other hand, is in charge of our recent memories, and is in continuous contact with the resources of the unconscious mind. The unconscious mind is the storehouse of all memories and past experiences, both those that have been repressed through trauma and those that have simply been consciously forgotten and are no longer important to us. It’s from these memories and experiences that our beliefs, habits, and behaviors are formed. The unconscious constantly communicates with the conscious mind via our subconscious, and is what provides us with the meaning to all our interactions with the world, as filtered through our beliefs and habits. It communicates through feelings, emotions, imagination, sensations, and dreams. It is where optimism is born and the kind of hope
RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON
Well said Jack.. even if your vocabulary is different your thoughts are clear .[snip] This reaction loops out of back into space-time normal eg. back into the Electrolytic-Catalytic cell which makes the 'most-inportant' leg of the fusion process invisible which is what makes everybody so crazy.[/snip] It also confuses the syntax since time and space are exchanging metrics in the same manner as the Twin paradox only it is we outside the Casimir containment that appear to be nearly stationary in time relative to the negative vacuum pressure being experienced by the hydrogen protons... even normal spontaneous emissions pile up and then become phase shifted as they follow the slowing downward well into our normal space-time here in the macro world.. a micro warp/hill instead of the macro gravity wells we normally consider relativistic in our macro reality. I think the MAHG may have exploited another aspect of this containment effect where the energy was used to disassociate H2 as an interim step in rectifying the virtual energy into our plane. Regards Fran From: Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan [mailto:alset9te...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:42 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON *Let's Light this Candle* Nuclear Physics couldn't touch the LENR concept because this is Zero-Point Transdimensional Physics. The 'hydrogen' does 'fuse' so they'll just have to go back to school when Transdimensional Physic 101 makes it to MIT's curriculum. No wonder that the 'hot fusion' ludites have TOKO-MACS which repeat insanely the same processes fruitlessly; which is the definition of Insanity; getting the same failing results. They who then deleted Eugene Mallove. . . indeed are maniacs. They should watch 'A Beautiful Mind' a few more times until they 'get-it.' Grant Money aka Large Dollars. . . ruthless competition for $ and prestige. . . sad, what a waste. Electrolytic-Catalytic fusion is a Zero-Point ingress plasma function. Zero-Point energy aka plasma-breach ingress 'plasma' is the fusing agent. The 'coil' around the paladium cathode needs to be a full tesla coil in design within the fuel cell. . . to expedite the process the coil/paladium cathode need to be Tesla quick-interval 'fired' to get the make-n-break field collapse tesla coil boost which is in fact the most basic form of creating an incipient plasma-breach Zero-Point Gyro-Toroidal field. The 'light' coil which 'worked-some-of-the-time' just needed to get 'beefed-up.' I try again to explain the transdimensional process which could be said to be Stimulated Atomic Particle Mobius-Teleportation-Loop Fusion which is a Transdimensional micro-singularity Plasma-Breach Phenomenon within a Gyro-Toroidal induction field. I said that beauty of the electolytic process is in that the nuclei of the hydrogen protons are dialating-micro-singularities. And the two dialated hydrogen nuclei are compacting in the Paladium field induced gyro-toroidal field via the coil which becomes a small incipient zero-point plasma breach. . . . . . each nuclei is simultaneously it's own micro-plasma breach ( now dialated by the electrolytic electro-induction energy). The gross effect is that ingress-plasma creates a fusion-input level because it has an effect, especially within casimir containment(which is a transdimensional mobius looping transtemporal effect also). The reaction actually has More-Time to involve greater fusion ingress plasma yields than it 'seems' is transpiring to our relatively 'shorter' observation-reaction times on our side of the Mobius gate figure-eighting into Parallel AexoSpectrum back; Fused! The sum total is that the two 'now-made-heavy tritium-hydrogens by ingress nucleus-eye plasma' merge-fuse as they egress and mobius loop back in what we could call a 'Casimir-Mobius' Transdimensional-Transtemporal loop. This reaction loops out of back into space-time normal eg. back into the Electrolytic-Catalytic cell which makes the 'most-inportant' leg of the fusion process invisible which is what makes everybody so crazy. Trandimensional Physics 'is' WSFM/Weird Science Frickin Magic and the Conventional Hot-Nuclear Physicists will just have to 'Suck-it-up.' This process both fusion-yields and 'drags' back into space-time normal ingress plasma which I have called Parallel-AexoSpace-Plasma which defines the exoponential heat multiplication.
Re: [Vo]:Question for Swedish vorticians
Okay, here is what Mats Lewan says about Arnold: I’ve been in contact with this person, Leif Arnold, a couple of times. I don’t think he’s associated with University of Gothenburg – there’s no such person there, neither at Chalmers Institute of Technology in Gothenburg. He seems to be working alone. Arnold says he found a series of transmutation effects by coincidence, working with some kind of energy reactor. I sent an email to Vortex earlier – at that point he had another version of the website. Now he says he’s pulled away all hypotheses and theoretic content and focuses on observations. He might be willing to do some kind of demonstration, provided it will be attended by scientists. He says that he would prefer not to do experiments involving entanglement though – I get the impression he considers them dangerous. Mats
Re: [Vo]:Latest report from Celani
Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Don't rely too much on Celani and his crew English. It looks even worse that Rossi's slang. I wouldn't say it is that bad! I have edited many of his papers. Anyway, this looks like he had help from an English native speaker: In the framework of those studies aimed to analyze anomalous effects (thermal and/or nuclear) due to the interaction among some specific materials (pure and/or alloys) and H2 (or D2), we focused, since 2011, on a specific alloy called Constantan (Cu55-Ni44-Mn1). We selected such material using our own considerations and intuitions and because, according to a scientific paper [1], it has the largest energy value for dissociation of H2 to 2H, i.e. about 3eV. Among others B. Ahern suggested that Ni-Cu-H can be used for heat generation. . . . http://22passi.blogspot.com/2013/04/experimental-results-on-sub-micro.html That's perfectly understandable. It is a draft of his ICCF18 abstract. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling quark color-change as seen in RPF as the quark-quack reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation... Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one... ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is measured http://phys.org/news/2013-03-affect-atom-adjusting.html [GO to website to see picture] attachment: winmail.dat
RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON
*Agreed* From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:03:24 + Well said Jack.. even if your vocabulary is different your thoughts are clear .[snip] This reaction loops out of back into space-time normal eg. back into the Electrolytic-Catalytic cell which makes the 'most-inportant' leg of the fusion process invisible which is what makes everybody so crazy.[/snip] It also confuses the syntax since time and space are exchanging metrics in the same manner as the Twin paradox only it is we outside the Casimir containment that appear to be nearly stationary in time relative to the negative vacuum pressure being experienced by the hydrogen protons… even normal spontaneous emissions pile up and then become phase shifted as they follow the slowing downward well into our normal space-time here in the macro world.. a micro warp/hill instead of the macro gravity wells we normally consider relativistic in our macro reality. I think the MAHG may have exploited another aspect of this containment effect where the energy was used to disassociate H2 as an interim step in rectifying the virtual energy into our plane. Regards Fran From: Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan [mailto:alset9te...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:42 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON *Let's Light this Candle* Nuclear Physics couldn't touch the LENR concept because this is Zero-Point Transdimensional Physics. The 'hydrogen' does 'fuse' so they'll just have to go back to school when Transdimensional Physic 101 makes it to MIT's curriculum. No wonder that the 'hot fusion' ludites have TOKO-MACS which repeat insanely the same processes fruitlessly; which is the definition of Insanity; getting the same failing results. They who then deleted Eugene Mallove. . . indeed are maniacs. They should watch 'A Beautiful Mind' a few more times until they 'get-it.' Grant Money aka Large Dollars. . . ruthless competition for $ and prestige. . . sad, what a waste. Electrolytic-Catalytic fusion is a Zero-Point ingress plasma function. Zero-Point energy aka plasma-breach ingress 'plasma' is the fusing agent. The 'coil' around the paladium cathode needs to be a full tesla coil in design within the fuel cell. . . to expedite the process the coil/paladium cathode need to be Tesla quick-interval 'fired' to get the make-n-break field collapse tesla coil boost which is in fact the most basic form of creating an incipient plasma-breach Zero-Point Gyro-Toroidal field. The 'light' coil which 'worked-some-of-the-time' just needed to get 'beefed-up.' I try again to explain the transdimensional process which could be said to be Stimulated Atomic Particle Mobius-Teleportation-Loop Fusion which is a Transdimensional micro-singularity Plasma-Breach Phenomenon within a Gyro-Toroidal induction field. I said that beauty of the electolytic process is in that the nuclei of the hydrogen protons are dialating-micro-singularities. And the two dialated hydrogen nuclei are compacting in the Paladium field induced gyro-toroidal field via the coil which becomes a small incipient zero-point plasma breach. . . . . . each nuclei is simultaneously it's own micro-plasma breach ( now dialated by the electrolytic electro-induction energy). The gross effect is that ingress-plasma creates a fusion-input level because it has an effect, especially within casimir containment(which is a transdimensional mobius looping transtemporal effect also). The reaction actually has More-Time to involve greater fusion ingress plasma yields than it 'seems' is transpiring to our relatively 'shorter' observation-reaction times on our side of the Mobius gate figure-eighting into Parallel AexoSpectrum back; Fused! The sum total is that the two 'now-made-heavy tritium-hydrogens by ingress nucleus-eye plasma' merge-fuse as they egress and mobius loop back in what we could call a 'Casimir-Mobius' Transdimensional-Transtemporal loop. This reaction loops out of back into space-time normal eg. back into the Electrolytic-Catalytic cell which makes the 'most-inportant' leg of the fusion process invisible which is what makes everybody so crazy. Trandimensional Physics 'is' WSFM/Weird Science Frickin Magic and the Conventional Hot-Nuclear Physicists will just have to 'Suck-it-up.' This process both fusion-yields and 'drags' back into space-time normal ingress plasma which I have called Parallel-AexoSpace-Plasma which defines the exoponential heat multiplication.
RE: [Vo]:Question for Swedish vorticians
Thanks. The most compelling thing about this presentation of Leif Arnold - other than the alchemist's holy-grail of creating gold (both as metaphor and in reality) is the one chart on platinum. It is probably his hero result. Any process that converts another metal to platinum (unless that process mimics the heat of a supernova) must NOT show a natural isotope ratio, and this one is not natural. That does not prove that it happens - but it also does not fall prey to the most obvious disproof - that the result is self-delusion due to a natural source. entanglement experiments as dangerous ... hmmm... that sounds like norgone :-) Jones From: Jed Rothwell Okay, here is what Mats Lewan says about Arnold: I've been in contact with this person, Leif Arnold, a couple of times. I don't think he's associated with University of Gothenburg - there's no such person there, neither at Chalmers Institute of Technology in Gothenburg. He seems to be working alone. Arnold says he found a series of transmutation effects by coincidence, working with some kind of energy reactor. I sent an email to Vortex earlier - at that point he had another version of the website. Now he says he's pulled away all hypotheses and theoretic content and focuses on observations. He might be willing to do some kind of demonstration, provided it will be attended by scientists. He says that he would prefer not to do experiments involving entanglement though - I get the impression he considers them dangerous. Mats attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma. The system difference is evident and I have not seem papers describing known fusion events recorded within a metal matrix where gammas are emitted at the expected levels. I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded with deuterium is subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions that are known to result in fusion. If this does not result in the release of a number of gammas, then evidence is obtained that fusion within a metal matrix is different than that occurring within a gas. Of course, muon induced fusion might behave differently than normal LENR activity. The more clues that we obtain about the behavior of LENR, the faster we can understand the mechanism. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling quark color-change as seen in RPF as the quark-quack reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation... Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one... ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is measured http://phys.org/news/2013-03-affect-atom-adjusting.html [GO to website to see picture]
RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
From: David Roberson In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it Then you will get a kick out of the story from Krivit. LOL - April 2nd. He was a day late and a dollar short on this one, but Larsen's attempt to answer questions about why deadly gamma radiation is not emitted in LENR is juvenile at best. The proponents of this BS should be ashamed. image001.png
[Vo]:Electrolysis'iself'SpookyAction Transdim MobiLoop function
Key: trandimensional 'virtual' mobius-loop 'teleportation,' has been staring in the eye 'forever.' And it is just one of the many misdefined 'givens' that we've inherited the we never have had the 'need' to investigate further. . . that is until somebody saw 'cold fusion' manifest at an Electrolysis electrode sight. . . and the 'mystery' unfolded. *Simple observations: Electrolysis: ?At which electrode does the water molecule divide into H2 O2 'whole-molecules' not ions? ?Put one electrode at the end of 100 mile long fresh-water lake and the other polarity electrode at the other end; but the respective H2 O2 'bubbles' appear 'instantantly' @ each electrode. ?Are we to believe that the 'electrolysis-separation' happens at either one-electrode or the other, and/or in the centre-pathway between them in the middle of the lake . . . and then do those respective bubbles travel 'through the water' @ Light-Speed or 1/2 Light-Speed of electro-motive current through space-time normal? *This notion has never been observed nor definitively demonstrated/proven; but rather just 'hazily' assumed; kind've. ?If not then; do the H2 /or O2 molecules migrate 'down' the DC-power source wire to their respective appropriate electrodes then? *Methinks 'none of the above. *Methinks that Electrolysis 'is' naturally the estabablishment of a Transdimensional Mobius-Loop/SpookyAction pathway between our electrode. And thus is H2HE aexoplasma fusion a natural spontaneous process needing just a modest 'boost' in the Electrolytic-input-charge to stimulate. This has been 'occurring' to some degree all along. But since we didn't anticipate it, because its causal Transdimensional-Physic agency was totally unknown to us, we then just ignored the anomolous 'excess' energy. We probably routinely simply chalked it up to the excepted-but-unexplained electricians phenomenon called the mysterious 'transit voltage.' This is also a 'Transdimensional Tesla-Coil plasma- breach ingress aexo-plasma marginal function; but more on this some other time. *The transdimensional mobius-loop SpookyAction process which is actually prosaic, natural, and common all around us in chemical nuclear reactions and is 'actually' what is happening in 'at least' most of what we classically refer to as 'ion-flow.' Eugene Mallove called the 'cold fusion' process 'Electrolytic-Catalytic Cold Fusion' and he 'nailed it perfect' which is one of the main reasons that he is 'not' with us in the body at this time. The Transdimensional mobius-loop SpookyAction process is the operant causel pathway of H2 entering the Hyper-Grav/Hyper-Electrolytic AexoPlasma field-loop which fuses the H2 into HE. The Electrolytic pathway already established by the H2OH2 O2 process, with a simple 'boost' to the Gyro-Toroidal EM field at the Pladium-Cathode Transdim-Osmiotic 'membrane' threshold, is all that is necessary to Quantum-Jump the Electrolytic-Mobius-Loop pathway into a full blown cold fusion function. It's been under our noses all along. The concommitant ingress of 'Hi-Octane' aexoplasma also accounts for the 'alchemical-like' fusion eg. 'spontaneous generation' of different 'metal-atoms' of our periodic-table as a bi-product of this process. In the 'cold fusion' arena; this is THE MALLOVE EFFECT. And in the macro arena(?macarena?~^) this is called THE TESLA-HUTCHISON-EFFECT
Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON
Jack,
I need your disconnected toroidal brain to look at the Joplin, MO tornadic
double rainbow with a dark band and imagine it is a toroid that is pulling
a vacuum on the surrounding gas, condensing water vapor, bending light and
creating electromagnetic disturbances around it and I think you will see
the Lion.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/05/23/joplin-double-rainbow-video_n_865870.html
I have other videos on my blog
Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013, Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan wrote:
*Agreed*
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Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:03:24 +
Well said Jack.. even if your vocabulary is different your thoughts are
clear .[snip] This reaction loops out of back into space-time normal eg.
back into the Electrolytic-Catalytic cell which makes the 'most-inportant'
leg of the fusion process invisible which is what makes everybody so
crazy.[/snip] It also confuses the syntax since time and space are
exchanging metrics in the same manner as the Twin paradox only it is we
outside the Casimir containment that appear to be nearly stationary in time
relative to the negative vacuum pressure being experienced by the hydrogen
protons… even normal spontaneous emissions pile up and then become phase
shifted as they follow the slowing downward well into our normal space-time
here in the macro world.. a micro warp/hill instead of the macro gravity
wells we normally consider relativistic in our macro reality. I think the
MAHG may have exploited another aspect of this containment effect where the
energy was used to disassociate H2 as an interim step in rectifying the
virtual energy into our plane.
Regards
Fran
*From:* Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan [mailto:alset9te...@hotmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:42 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT
PHENOMENON
*Let's Light this Candle*
Nuclear Physics couldn't touch the LENR concept because this is Zero-Point
Transdimensional Physics. The 'hydrogen' does 'fuse' so they'll just have
to go back to school when Transdimensional Physic 101 makes it to
MIT's curriculum.
No wonder that the 'hot fusion' ludites have TOKO-MACS which repeat
insanely the same
processes fruitlessly; which is the definition of Insanity; getting the
same failing results.
They who then deleted Eugene Mallove. . . indeed are maniacs. They
should watch 'A Beautiful Mind' a few more times until they 'get-it.'
Grant Money aka Large Dollars. . . ruthless competition for $ and
prestige. . . sad,
what a waste.
Electrolytic-Catalytic fusion is a Zero-Point ingress plasma function.
Zero-Point energy aka plasma-breach ingress 'plasma' is the fusing agent.
The 'coil' around the paladium cathode needs to be a full tesla coil in
design within
the fuel cell. . . to expedite the process the coil/paladium cathode need
to be
Tesla quick-interval 'fired' to get the make-n-break field collapse tesla
coil
boost which is in fact the most basic form of creating an incipient
plasma-breach
Zero-Point Gyro-Toroidal field. The 'light' coil which
'worked-some-of-the-time'
just needed to get 'beefed-up.'
I try again to explain the transdimensional process which could be said to
be
Stimulated Atomic Particle Mobius-Teleportation-Loop Fusion which is
a Transdimensional micro-singularity Plasma-Breach Phenomenon
within a Gyro-Toroidal induction field.
I said that beauty of the electolytic process is in that the nuclei of the
hydrogen
protons are dialating-micro-singularities. And the two dialated hydrogen
nuclei
are compacting in the Paladium field induced gyro-toroidal field via the
coil
which becomes a small incipient zero-point plasma breach. . . . . . each
nuclei
is simultaneously it's own micro-plasma breach ( now dialated by the
electrolytic
electro-induction energy).
The gross effect is that ingress-plasma creates a fusion-input level
because
it has an effect, especially within casimir containment(which is a
transdimensional mobius
looping transtemporal effect also). The reaction actually has More-Time to
involve greater fusion ingress plasma yields than it 'seems' is transpir
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
David, Gammas that never happened might be hidden by relativistic effects.. how much Gamma radiation would the near C paradox twin see? Or more appropriately how much radiation would a twin standing on an event horizon see? What does time dilation do the radiation? The large displacement of an equivalent acceleration gravity well or the near luminal speeds of a spacecraft are needed to compress spacetime in a Haisch- Rueda type theory [car accelerating into rainfall].. the suppression afforded by the Casimir geometry subtracts from said Haisch-Rueda rainfall analogy making a much quicker cheaper way to create a difference in what Puthoff calls vacuum pressure[rainfall], [ether] ..it is the same Pythagorean relationship between time and space without the energy requirements but in a negative direction. The Pythagorean elationship also brings into argument the radiation path since the the spatial -temporal axis perceived by the relativistic protons are out of phase with the spatial- temporal axis we are experiencing here in the macro [unsupressed] world outside the NAE. Would the radiation propagate out away from a reaction forever trapped in that inertial frame shunted past us along what we perceive as the temporal axis or does the radiation experience a lorentzian translation as the compression mitigates with distance from the confinement? Fran From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma. The system difference is evident and I have not seem papers describing known fusion events recorded within a metal matrix where gammas are emitted at the expected levels. I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded with deuterium is subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions that are known to result in fusion. If this does not result in the release of a number of gammas, then evidence is obtained that fusion within a metal matrix is different than that occurring within a gas. Of course, muon induced fusion might behave differently than normal LENR activity. The more clues that we obtain about the behavior of LENR, the faster we can understand the mechanism. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.netmailto:jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling quark color-change as seen in RPF as the quark-quack reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation... Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one... ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is
RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
From: David Roberson . I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded with deuterium is subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions that are known to result in fusion Note the date on this: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vq=cache:mmABHsKpSakJ:www.fulviofrisone.c om/attachments/article/358/Reactor%2520Prospects%2520of%2520Deuterium%2520an d.pdf+hl=engl=uspid=blsrcid=ADGEEShgMKArI-c0HHn-qv3IHBYq1AK690ODqkoexzYt gkucApI4uZPwV4BgKDkjb2rmPQgch-1bRguh6YdXDPjiQRWFvwKrMbDdDcXDA6SpGOwmGNXNG2Bw Z24hck0ST43lkCF7FLBTsig=AHIEtbTU_zlQowEKT3l-Q9OPwWvA15Ve1Q q=cache:mmABHsKpSakJ:www.fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/358/Reactor% 2520Prospects%2520of%2520Deuterium%2520and.pdf+hl=engl=uspid=blsrcid=ADG EEShgMKArI-c0HHn-qv3IHBYq1AK690ODqkoexzYtgkucApI4uZPwV4BgKDkjb2rmPQgch-1bRgu h6YdXDPjiQRWFvwKrMbDdDcXDA6SpGOwmGNXNG2BwZ24hck0ST43lkCF7FLBTsig=AHIEtbTU_z lQowEKT3l-Q9OPwWvA15Ve1Q
[Vo]:'New Energy and Fuel' recent posting on LENR
A Nuclear Reactor in Every Room http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2013/04/03/a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-room/ Covers Hg-isotopes in CFLs + Ed Storms interview (video)
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
Jones said: “In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all.” It has been observed that Gamma radiation occurs sometimes in a LENR reaction and under other conditions, it does not; gamma energy transfer is conditional in a LENR reaction. A condition in the LENR reaction affects the formation of gammas. Gamma formation or lack of it is not central to the cause of the LENR reaction, it is accidental to it. When Gamma radiation appears, the NAE is destroyed and the LENR reaction stops. When no Gammas are produced, the NAE is preserved as active. Cheers:Axil On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling quark color-change as seen in RPF as the quark-quack reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation... Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one... ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is measured http://phys.org/news/2013-03-affect-atom-adjusting.html [GO to website to see picture]
RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
Dave stated: . and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma. When one looks at subatomic particles as dipolar oscillations, and within the NAE, all those oscillations being aligned and IN-PHASE, they will serve as energy sinks for a specific wavelength of energy. Thus, the amount of energy that would have been emitted in a gamma is distributed as smaller packets amongst the large number of IN-phase oscillators. This all reminds me of a PhysOrg article I mentioned a few years ago where the scientists had isolated two atoms, side by side, and cooled to near 0K. they could watch as one of the atoms remained completely still, while the other would wiggle, because it had a quantum of heat energy and thus, [my conclusion] the internal oscillators were out-of-balance, which causes the entire atom to 'shake'. What was interesting is that they could do something (don't remember what) that would cause that quantum of heat to xfer from the shaking atom to the still one and, you guessed it, the one that was still was now shaking and the former holder of the quantum of heat was now still. Back to Dave's statement. Does the gamma get emitted, but then immediately absorbed by the 'Collective' oscillations, or is it a direct xfer of quanta of energy as explained above? In either case, whatever the exact conditions that are required, it would seem that those conditions result in BOTH new low-energy nuclear processes AND an energy sink which (almost entirely) favors coupling into lattice vibrations instead of emission of energetic particles. -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma. The system difference is evident and I have not seem papers describing known fusion events recorded within a metal matrix where gammas are emitted at the expected levels. I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded with deuterium is subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions that are known to result in fusion. If this does not result in the release of a number of gammas, then evidence is obtained that fusion within a metal matrix is different than that occurring within a gas. Of course, muon induced fusion might behave differently than normal LENR activity. The more clues that we obtain about the behavior of LENR, the faster we can understand the mechanism. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling quark color-change as seen in RPF as the quark-quack reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation...
RE: EXTERNAL-Yup: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON
~YUP~ Oh yea: You've pretty well 'nailed' the phenomenon is my take.~^) That THRIVE DVD presentation of Foster Gamble's graphic'd well the pervasive structure of the gyro-toroidal TORUS field. And it particularly showed a Tornado as the dynamic-core of the greater TORUS field. And yes it is an electro-magnetic and gyro-centrific-gravionic phenomenon (like 'everything' is) and would have to behave in exactly the way that you have correctly surmised. Spooky with the 'Lion' and that someone said you would see signs in the heavens and in the earth beneath. This is an auspicious morning for the Vortex community to be 'nailing' the solution to practical design application for electrolytic/catalytic cold-fusion to the 'wall of scientific orthodoxy. And which is also a 'set in stone' proof of Transdimensional Physics. Speaking of Transdimensional Aexo-'Torsion' currents: Our timeline just 'quantum-leaped-split' upon this morning marked by this 'signpost' in the sky! Or maybe the relative 'hyper-gravity signifcance' of this morning's events 're-converged/merged' a 'whole-cluster' of parallel-adjacent 'time-lines' . . . I think this 'second' alternative is more likely. But technically this would be a shift/split from the path-continuiim(s) that would have otherwise maintained if this morning's transdimensional 'compressed/data-discovery' nexus 'not' occurred. And this is made 'graphic-in-the-sky' by this 'synchronus-parallel' wild phenomenon in the sky over Joplin-MO. . . or not. . .~^) @ any-rate: Wednesday, April 3rd-2013 may very well be a day to mark on our calenders; to say, We were paying attention on that fatefull day!~^) Cheers-Jack Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:34:52 -0400 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON From: cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jack, I need your disconnected toroidal brain to look at the Joplin, MO tornadic double rainbow with a dark band and imagine it is a toroid that is pulling a vacuum on the surrounding gas, condensing water vapor, bending light and creating electromagnetic disturbances around it and I think you will see the Lion. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/05/23/joplin-double-rainbow-video_n_865870.html I have other videos on my blog Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Wednesday, April 3, 2013, Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan wrote: *Agreed* From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:03:24 + Well said Jack.. even if your vocabulary is different your thoughts are clear .[snip] This reaction loops out of back into space-time normal eg. back into the Electrolytic-Catalytic cell which makes the 'most-inportant' leg of the fusion process invisible which is what makes everybody so crazy.[/snip] It also confuses the syntax since time and space are exchanging metrics in the same manner as the Twin paradox only it is we outside the Casimir containment that appear to be nearly stationary in time relative to the negative vacuum pressure being experienced by the hydrogen protons… even normal spontaneous emissions pile up and then become phase shifted as they follow the slowing downward well into our normal space-time here in the macro world.. a micro warp/hill instead of the macro gravity wells we normally consider relativistic in our macro reality. I think the MAHG may have exploited another aspect of this containment effect where the energy was used to disassociate H2 as an interim step in rectifying the virtual energy into our plane. Regards Fran From: Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan [mailto:alset9te...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:42 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Electrolytic/CatalyticFusion'is'a ZERO-POINT PHENOMENON *Let's Light this Candle* Nuclear Physics couldn't touch the LENR concept because this is Zero-Point Transdimensional Physics. The 'hydrogen' does 'fuse' so they'll just have to go back to school when Transdimensional Physic 101 makes it to MIT's curriculum. No wonder that the 'hot fusion' ludites have TOKO-MACS which repeat insanely the same processes fruitlessly; which is the definition of Insanity; getting the same failing results. They who then deleted Eugene Mallove. . . indeed are maniacs. They should watch 'A Beautiful Mind' a few more times until they 'get-it.' Grant Money aka Large Dollars. . . ruthless competition for $ and prestige. . . sad, what a waste. Electrolytic-Catalytic fusion is a Zero-Point ingress plasma function. Zero-Point energy aka plasma-breach ingress 'plasma' is the fusing agent. The 'coil' around the paladium cathode needs to be a full tesla coil in design within the fuel cell. . . to expedite the process the coil/paladium cathode need to be Tesla quick-interval 'fired' to get the make-n-break field collapse tesla coil boost
RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
Jones: I don't think you're seeing the significance of my posting... I guess I didn't do a good job of expressing my point. WHY OPPOSITE Why are the UP-spin quarks on OPPOSITE sides of the nucleus from the DOWN-spin quarks??? [ I would propose that both are a dipole-like oscillation, just 180deg out of phase] Why do... All spin directions collapse on one or the OPPOSITE direction depending on the measured photon polarization. ??? [this is the quote under one of the pics from the article] Why, in some nuclear interactions, do two gammas go shooting off in OPPOSITE directions Where is the physical model that explains the REASON why these observations involve OPPOSITEs Is antimatter everywhere (because it's simply the other HALF of the oscillation), but our measurement apparatus only detects one half of the oscillation and sees that as 'matter'? Why is the magnetic field PERPENDICULAR to the E-field??? It's all related... -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 7:33 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling quark color-change as seen in RPF as the quark-quack reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation... Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one... ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is measured http://phys.org/news/2013-03-affect-atom-adjusting.html [GO to website to see picture] attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
correction: Why are the UP-spin quarks on OPPOSITE sides of the nucleus from the DOWN-spin quarks??? should be: Why are the UP-spin quarks on OPPOSITE sides of the PROTON from the DOWN-spin quarks??? -mark _ From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 10:19 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Jones: I don't think you're seeing the significance of my posting... I guess I didn't do a good job of expressing my point. WHY OPPOSITE Why are the UP-spin quarks on OPPOSITE sides of the nucleus from the DOWN-spin quarks??? [ I would propose that both are a dipole-like oscillation, just 180deg out of phase] Why do... All spin directions collapse on one or the OPPOSITE direction depending on the measured photon polarization. ??? [this is the quote under one of the pics from the article] Why, in some nuclear interactions, do two gammas go shooting off in OPPOSITE directions Where is the physical model that explains the REASON why these observations involve OPPOSITEs Is antimatter everywhere (because it's simply the other HALF of the oscillation), but our measurement apparatus only detects one half of the oscillation and sees that as 'matter'? Why is the magnetic field PERPENDICULAR to the E-field??? It's all related... -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 7:33 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling quark color-change as seen in RPF as the quark-quack reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation... Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one... ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is measured http://phys.org/news/2013-03-affect-atom-adjusting.html [GO to website to see picture] attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
Thanks. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 12:06 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! From:David Roberson . I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded withdeuterium is subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions thatare known to result in fusion Note thedate on this: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vq=cache:mmABHsKpSakJ:www.fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/358/Reactor%2520Prospects%2520of%2520Deuterium%2520and.pdf+hl=engl=uspid=blsrcid=ADGEEShgMKArI-c0HHn-qv3IHBYq1AK690ODqkoexzYtgkucApI4uZPwV4BgKDkjb2rmPQgch-1bRguh6YdXDPjiQRWFvwKrMbDdDcXDA6SpGOwmGNXNG2BwZ24hck0ST43lkCF7FLBTsig=AHIEtbTU_zlQowEKT3l-Q9OPwWvA15Ve1Q
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
Have you heard about SPASERS yet? In order to explain the on again and off again nature of gamma radiation in LENR, the cause of the LENR reaction should include two states, one that mitigates gamma radiation and another state that can cause LENR and still produce gamma radiation. The Spaser (short for surface plasmon amplification by stimulated emission of radiation) may be such a dual mode mechanism. The Spaser is the nanoplasmonic analogs of lasers: instead of photons, spasers generate coherent surface plasmons (collective electron oscillations at the surface of a metal) in a resonant nanoparticle. It is a DIPOLE driven mechanism. Heralded as ideal sources of coherent optical fields at the nanoscale, in a lattice of a nanostructure, spasers combined with electronic density waves on the surface of the nanostructure(nanowire). A spaser pumped by these electrical currents, rather than by the bulkier lasers used thus far in Nanoplasmonics. But recent theoretical papers have argued that electrically driven nanospasers would require unrealistically high currents. Now, Dabing Li presents a theoretical proposal for a nanospaser device that is pumped electrically via a nanowire. This is what happens in LENR+ reactors where nanowires pump spasers to produce the LENR+ reaction. The spaser is an EMF reaction that has two modes. One mode produces intense EMF screening currents but not coherent local fields because the current pumping is either under or over saturated with significant current loss. The other mode is when coherent widespread radiation is established and gamma radiation is spread among many coherent and entangled spacers. By the way, WL think that spacers are causal in LENR but they just don’t know how. If they are looking into spasers, maybe so should you. cheers:Axil On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Jones: I don't think you're seeing the significance of my posting... I guess I didn't do a good job of expressing my point. WHY OPPOSITE Why are the UP-spin quarks on OPPOSITE sides of the nucleus from the DOWN-spin quarks??? [ I would propose that both are a dipole-like oscillation, just 180deg out of phase] Why do... All spin directions collapse on one or the OPPOSITE direction depending on the measured photon polarization. ??? [this is the quote under one of the pics from the article] Why, in some nuclear interactions, do two gammas go shooting off in OPPOSITE directions Where is the physical model that explains the REASON why these observations involve OPPOSITEs Is antimatter everywhere (because it's simply the other HALF of the oscillation), but our measurement apparatus only detects one half of the oscillation and sees that as 'matter'? Why is the magnetic field PERPENDICULAR to the E-field??? It's all related... -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 7:33 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling quark color-change as seen in RPF as the quark-quack reaction ... nothing there but spin, so to speak... thus giving detractors the satisfaction of calling the theory as quack-derived ... yet all the while, the other LENR theories are falling like ducks ... simply due to the obvious: not being able to adequately explain lack of gammas. In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. Jones From: MarkI-ZeroPoint The evidence is piling up that subatomic 'particles' are dipole-like structures, and likely a type of dipole oscillation... Looks, sounds, feels and quacks just like one... ;-) HTSITYS, -Mark [darn pics made msg too large so had to delete the piccys] --- Researchers suggest one can affect an atom's spin by adjusting the way it is measured
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
Mark, I like the idea of many individual oscillators being able to take the energy if that is possible. Each of these would have to be at a frequency that is far lower than is normally emitted if a highly energetic gamma is to be replaced. Low frequency oscillators tend to operate a lower speeds by definition and I wonder how quickly the normal high frequency photon would be emitted. Do you have any idea as to why the atom would be coaxed into the slower response than usual? The only way I can understand an operation of this type is to assume that the nuclei are connected electro magnetically to a strong degree. Maybe entangled would work, but the coupling would need to be strong. And if entangled, a very large number of resonators would need this coupling to share the load adequately. I need a better understanding of how a large amount of energy contained within an excited nucleus can find alternate paths of escape. The gammas tend to dominate escape from plasmas. A metal matrix is far different than a plasma cloud. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Dave stated: “… and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma.” When one looks at subatomic particles as dipolar oscillations, and within the NAE, all those oscillations being aligned and IN-PHASE, they will serve as energy sinks for a specific wavelength of energy. Thus, the amount of energy that would have been emitted in a gamma is distributed as smaller packets amongst the large number of IN-phase oscillators. This all reminds me of a PhysOrg article I mentioned a few years ago where the scientists had isolated two atoms, side by side, and cooled to near 0K… they could watch as one of the atoms remained completely still, while the other would wiggle, because it had a quantum of heat energy and thus, [my conclusion] the internal oscillators were out-of-balance, which causes the entire atom to ‘shake’. What was interesting is that they could do something (don’t remember what) that would cause that quantum of heat to xfer from the shaking atom to the still one and, you guessed it, the one that was still was now shaking and the former holder of the quantum of heat was now still. Back to Dave’s statement… Does the gamma get emitted, but then immediately absorbed by the ‘Collective’ oscillations, or is it a direct xfer of quanta of energy as explained above? In either case, whatever the exact conditions that are required, it would seem that those conditions result in BOTH new low-energy nuclear processes AND an energy sink which (almost entirely) favors coupling into lattice vibrations instead of emission of energetic particles. -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma. The system difference is evident and I have not seem papers describing known fusion events recorded within a metal matrix where gammas are emitted at the expected levels. I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded with deuterium is subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions that are known to result in fusion. If this does not result in the release of a number of gammas, then evidence is obtained that fusion within a metal matrix is different than that occurring within a gas. Of course, muon induced fusion might behave differently than normal LENR activity. The more clues that we obtain about the behavior of LENR, the faster we can understand the mechanism. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
The transfer of energy to and from the nucleus must be done totally through EMF. Neutrons are not necessary to penetrate the nucleus, EMF will work just fine. This EMF full duplex pipeline is how energy goes back and forth between the nucleus and the lattice. Unless a coherent EMF connection into the nucleus is established, the gamma radiation will be emitted from the nucleus in a destructive and incoherent way. Jaynes-Cummings-Hubbard (JCH) model Next we move on to the Jaynes-Cummings-Hubbard (JCH) model. Because there are millions of these hot-spots where spasers develop covering the combined surfaces of all the micro-particles, the JCH model is a combination of the Jaynes–Cummings model and the coupled cavities. The one-dimensional JCH model consists of a chain of N-coupled single-mode cavities and each cavity contains two-level atoms. The tunneling effect comes from the junction between cavities which are an analogy of the Josephson Effect. The eigenstates of the JCH Hamiltonian in the two-excitation subspace for the N-cavity system are examined in current nano research. This research focuses on the existence of bound states as well as their features. It is interesting to note that two repulsive bosonic atoms can form a bound pair in an optical lattice. By analogy, the same will be true for polaritons. The JCH Hamiltonian also supports two-polariton bound states when the photon-atom interaction is sufficiently strong. In the LENR case, the coupling between photons and dipoles are very strong. In particular, the two polaritons associated with the bound states exhibit a strong correlation such that they stay close to each other in position space. The results discussed have been published in Two-polariton bound states in the Jaynes-Cummings-Hubbard model. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1101.1366v1 If you’re up to it, the analytic solution of the eigenvalues and eigenvectors in the strong coupling regime is also developed in this paper. The time evolution of such a system is also considered for the cases of different initial conditions. Now that we have justified the development of a generalized condition of Bose-Einstein condensation all over the surfaces of the micro-particles, we can now roll in Kim’s BEC theory of LENR. cheers: Axil On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Mark, I like the idea of many individual oscillators being able to take the energy if that is possible. Each of these would have to be at a frequency that is far lower than is normally emitted if a highly energetic gamma is to be replaced. Low frequency oscillators tend to operate a lower speeds by definition and I wonder how quickly the normal high frequency photon would be emitted. Do you have any idea as to why the atom would be coaxed into the slower response than usual? The only way I can understand an operation of this type is to assume that the nuclei are connected electro magnetically to a strong degree. Maybe entangled would work, but the coupling would need to be strong. And if entangled, a very large number of resonators would need this coupling to share the load adequately. I need a better understanding of how a large amount of energy contained within an excited nucleus can find alternate paths of escape. The gammas tend to dominate escape from plasmas. A metal matrix is far different than a plasma cloud. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Dave stated: “… and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma.” When one looks at subatomic particles as dipolar oscillations, and within the NAE, all those oscillations being aligned and IN-PHASE, they will serve as energy sinks for a specific wavelength of energy. Thus, the amount of energy that would have been emitted in a gamma is distributed as smaller packets amongst the large number of IN-phase oscillators. This all reminds me of a PhysOrg article I mentioned a few years ago where the scientists had isolated two atoms, side by side, and cooled to near 0K… they could watch as one of the atoms remained completely still, while the other would wiggle, because it had a quantum of heat energy and thus, [my conclusion] the internal oscillators were out-of-balance, which causes the entire atom to ‘shake’. What was interesting is that they could do something (don’t remember what) that would cause that quantum of heat to xfer from the shaking atom to the still one and, you guessed it, the one that was still was now shaking and the former holder of the quantum of heat was now still. Back to Dave’s
RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
Hi Dave, Realize that I’m only trying to apply a physical, 3-dimentional/geometry, to atoms and subatomic particles in a QUALitative way to explain COMMON observations that don’t have an explanation in QM or Classical models… I have not tried to bring any QUANTitative elements in, which is probably above my pay-grade… but think that would be fun and fruitful. If my model sparks some thoughts by those more mathematically talented, that would be great… In a plasma, the kinetic E of the individual particles is so high that one has to look at it as totally UNcorrelated movement; nothing is IN-phase. A veritable free-for-all with things flying around in all directions and random collisions … if enough heat (kinetic E) is present, then collisions occur with enough force to result in fusion events. This is the brute-force fusion process that we all are taught, and likely goes on in stars. Now, if you applied an E-field (and perhaps perpendicular B-field) throughout the plasma, then you might be able to get the plasma constituents to align and oscillate in sync, AND, if you then fire a particle (neutron or proton) into that ‘swarm’ of aligned particles, and perpendicular to its oscillation, fusion might be a whole lot easier… My guess is that it would take an extremely strong E/B field to overcome the kinetic energy that has been imparted to the ions/e- that make up the plasma. All atoms (or are we talking just electrons?) want to shed any heat quanta so they are in perfect balance, but they can’t simply shed it to the vacuum… this shedding process MUST involve some kind of coupling to something else (another atom or photon). The situation just prior to formation of the plasma is that, because you’ve added so much energy to each atom, that as soon as one atom sheds a quantum of heat, it immediately gets another quantum from a neighbor… and all the atoms are so ‘out-of-balance’ due to the multiple quantums of heat that each has, that they literally shake themselves apart… voila… plasma. The articles I referenced in my original posting indicate that not only electrons, but quarks (which make up nuclear particles) as well could be dipolar oscillations, only the quarks are oscillating orders of magnitude smaller distance (thus, much smaller nuclear diameter compared to atomic diameter) but orders of magnitude higher frequency. Have you ever played ping-pong/table-tennis? Take a ping-pong ball and drop it on the table, and then take your paddle and quickly restrict the balls vertical movement closer and closer to the tabletop. What happens? The oscillations of the ball speed up. My guess is that if you take the frequency of oscillation of say the H 1s electron, and the diameter of the H-atom (i.e., the physical extent of that oscillation), over a 1 second span of time, it would be a constant. That constant will be somehow harmonically related to the same constant calculated for a quark… much smaller physical distance (diam of nucleus) but much higher frequency. And the speed of light in a vacuum is somehow part of these constants. Could this model be a physical explanation for E=hv??? -Mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, I like the idea of many individual oscillators being able to take the energy if that is possible. Each of these would have to be at a frequency that is far lower than is normally emitted if a highly energetic gamma is to be replaced. Low frequency oscillators tend to operate a lower speeds by definition and I wonder how quickly the normal high frequency photon would be emitted. Do you have any idea as to why the atom would be coaxed into the slower response than usual? The only way I can understand an operation of this type is to assume that the nuclei are connected electro magnetically to a strong degree. Maybe entangled would work, but the coupling would need to be strong. And if entangled, a very large number of resonators would need this coupling to share the load adequately. I need a better understanding of how a large amount of energy contained within an excited nucleus can find alternate paths of escape. The gammas tend to dominate escape from plasmas. A metal matrix is far different than a plasma cloud. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Dave stated: “… and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma.” When one looks at subatomic
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At the root of the Plasmon is the strong coupling between light and matter. This matter includes electrons and ions in a dipole. The synchronized vibrations of many dipoles in thermal equilibrium will provide a coherent and entangled environment for this strong coupling. It is reasonable to expect that this strong coherent and entangled coupling can occur between photons, electrons and quarks. If a resonance condition is properly established, then transformations between these elements should be expected as happens between matter and light. Cheers: Axil On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Hi Dave, Realize that I’m only trying to apply a physical, 3-dimentional/geometry, to atoms and subatomic particles in a QUALitative way to explain COMMON observations that don’t have an explanation in QM or Classical models… I have not tried to bring any QUANTitative elements in, which is probably above my pay-grade… but think that would be fun and fruitful. If my model sparks some thoughts by those more mathematically talented, that would be great… ** ** In a plasma, the kinetic E of the individual particles is so high that one has to look at it as totally UNcorrelated movement; nothing is IN-phase. A veritable free-for-all with things flying around in all directions and random collisions … if enough heat (kinetic E) is present, then collisions occur with enough force to result in fusion events. This is the brute-force fusion process that we all are taught, and likely goes on in stars. ** ** Now, if you applied an E-field (and perhaps perpendicular B-field) throughout the plasma, then you might be able to get the plasma constituents to align and oscillate in sync, AND, if you then fire a particle (neutron or proton) into that ‘swarm’ of aligned particles, and perpendicular to its oscillation, fusion might be a whole lot easier… ** ** My guess is that it would take an extremely strong E/B field to overcome the kinetic energy that has been imparted to the ions/e- that make up the plasma. All atoms (or are we talking just electrons?) want to shed any heat quanta so they are in perfect balance, but they can’t simply shed it to the vacuum… this shedding process MUST involve some kind of coupling to something else (another atom or photon). The situation just prior to formation of the plasma is that, because you’ve added so much energy to each atom, that as soon as one atom sheds a quantum of heat, it immediately gets another quantum from a neighbor… and all the atoms are so ‘out-of-balance’ due to the multiple quantums of heat that each has, that they literally shake themselves apart… voila… plasma. ** ** The articles I referenced in my original posting indicate that not only electrons, but quarks (which make up nuclear particles) as well could be dipolar oscillations, only the quarks are oscillating orders of magnitude smaller distance (thus, much smaller nuclear diameter compared to atomic diameter) but orders of magnitude higher frequency. Have you ever played ping-pong/table-tennis? Take a ping-pong ball and drop it on the table, and then take your paddle and quickly restrict the balls vertical movement closer and closer to the tabletop. What happens? The oscillations of the ball speed up. ** ** My guess is that if you take the frequency of oscillation of say the H 1s electron, and the diameter of the H-atom (i.e., the physical extent of that oscillation), over a 1 second span of time, it would be a constant. That constant will be somehow harmonically related to the same constant calculated for a quark… much smaller physical distance (diam of nucleus) but much higher frequency. And the speed of light in a vacuum is somehow part of these constants. Could this model be a physical explanation for E=hv??? ** ** -Mark ** ** ** ** *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:18 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! ** ** Mark, ** ** I like the idea of many individual oscillators being able to take the energy if that is possible. Each of these would have to be at a frequency that is far lower than is normally emitted if a highly energetic gamma is to be replaced. Low frequency oscillators tend to operate a lower speeds by definition and I wonder how quickly the normal high frequency photon would be emitted. Do you have any idea as to why the atom would be coaxed into the slower response than usual? ** ** The only way I can understand an operation of this type is to assume that the nuclei are connected electro magnetically to a strong degree. Maybe entangled would work, but the coupling would need to be strong. And if entangled, a very large number of resonators would need this coupling to share the load
[Vo]:It's a Plot
Proof that the Universe is a conspiracy: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1303.7476v1.pdf
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Hmmm, sounds like only a fool would buy their argument! :-) Published April 1st... just a coincidence. -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 2:56 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:It's a Plot Proof that the Universe is a conspiracy: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1303.7476v1.pdf
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Aside from the date, there is the sim aspect of reality. IOW if we are living in a sim, a proposition for which there is evidence - then IT is a conspiracy of sorts... http://www.simulation-argument.com/ -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Hmmm, sounds like only a fool would buy their argument! :-) Published April 1st... just a coincidence. -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Proof that the Universe is a conspiracy: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1303.7476v1.pdf
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On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:13 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hmmm, sounds like only a fool would buy their argument! :-) Published April 1st... just a coincidence. And so are these: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2013/apr/01/april-fools-jokes-2013-the-best-on-the-web
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The only way I can understand an operation of this type is to assume that the nuclei are connected electro magnetically to a strong degree. Maybe entangled would work, but the coupling would need to be strong. And if entangled, a very large number of resonators would need this coupling to share the load adequately. Dave, while we're taking bets, let me add in mine -- about gammas, my bet agrees largely with Jones's and yours. The important detail is that gammas only occur via secondary reactions. Here is the rationale. Photons at different energies have corresponding wavelengths, and the wavelengths determine what the photons are likely to interact with. Photons of long wavelength will interact with large bodies and photons of short wavelength will interact with increasingly smaller bodies. A similar thing appears to apply to electrons -- there is an exciting experiment where they think they're able to start putting together a 3D map of the internals of the proton (the location of the quarks and gluons) [1]. They do this with electrons in the GeV range. I think this means the de Broglie waves are very narrow, so the electrons can interact with something as small as a quark in a proton. For photons in the lattice of a metal, they will interact with different bodies according to their wavelength (and energy) as well. Photons in the eV will interact with outer shell metal lattice electrons and electrons orbiting hydrogen atoms, and photons in the keV will interact with metal inner shell electrons. A photon in the MeV or thereabouts (i.e., a gamma photon) will interact with nuclei and nucleons. At high enough energies you get photodisentigration, where a nucleon is knocked out of a nucleus, and so forth. The higher the energy, the smaller the body, going down from outer electron shells to individual nucleons and, presumably, quarks. But as the size decreases, the probability of an interaction will no doubt go down in corresponding measure, because the size of the targets decreases as well. So by the time you get to gammas, they will largely pass through a region of interest. For photons of high enough energy, the mean free path generally goes up, meaning they travel farther and farther through the material. Once we're at gammas, I believe a typical metal will be largely transparent to them. This is all basic stuff, and any physicists reading this will have encountered these ideas in the first year of their education. And I suspect that is a big reason they don't take LENR seriously -- they expect nuclear reactions to produce gammas, and common sense says that there can't be any gammas being produced when you look at what actually happens in the LENR experiments. On this point, it makes a lot of sense to me that they are correct. If there are no gammas, then (1) there is no fusion, except perhaps a trivial kind that doesn't really deserve to be called fusion, or (2) there is real fusion, and there is a modification of the branching ratios or perhaps entirely new branches. An example of a new branch would be: d + d → 4He + M, where M is a nearby nucleus that shares the energy of the reaction as a spectator (all of this should be familiar as Ron Maimon's idea). This conserves momentum somehow. Robin has proposed similar scenarios involving hydrinos, so I take the general idea seriously that branches involving gammas can be systematically suppressed under the right conditions. This would definitely be different than normal fusion. Eric [1] http://phys.org/news/2013-04-quarks-dictate-proton.html
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The higher the energy, the smaller the body, going down from outer electron shells to individual nucleons and, presumably, quarks. But as the size decreases, the probability of an interaction will no doubt go down in corresponding measure, because the size of the targets decreases as well. So by the time you get to gammas, they will largely pass through a region of interest. For photons of high enough energy, the mean free path generally goes up, meaning they travel farther and farther through the material. Once we're at gammas, I believe a typical metal will be largely transparent to them. This is a false assumption. Nanoplasmoics show strong coupling between light and electrons at 10 to the minus 8 power of the wavelength of light. This same ability to couple gammas to electrons external to the nucleus is probable. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: The only way I can understand an operation of this type is to assume that the nuclei are connected electro magnetically to a strong degree. Maybe entangled would work, but the coupling would need to be strong. And if entangled, a very large number of resonators would need this coupling to share the load adequately. Dave, while we're taking bets, let me add in mine -- about gammas, my bet agrees largely with Jones's and yours. The important detail is that gammas only occur via secondary reactions. Here is the rationale. Photons at different energies have corresponding wavelengths, and the wavelengths determine what the photons are likely to interact with. Photons of long wavelength will interact with large bodies and photons of short wavelength will interact with increasingly smaller bodies. A similar thing appears to apply to electrons -- there is an exciting experiment where they think they're able to start putting together a 3D map of the internals of the proton (the location of the quarks and gluons) [1]. They do this with electrons in the GeV range. I think this means the de Broglie waves are very narrow, so the electrons can interact with something as small as a quark in a proton. For photons in the lattice of a metal, they will interact with different bodies according to their wavelength (and energy) as well. Photons in the eV will interact with outer shell metal lattice electrons and electrons orbiting hydrogen atoms, and photons in the keV will interact with metal inner shell electrons. A photon in the MeV or thereabouts (i.e., a gamma photon) will interact with nuclei and nucleons. At high enough energies you get photodisentigration, where a nucleon is knocked out of a nucleus, and so forth. The higher the energy, the smaller the body, going down from outer electron shells to individual nucleons and, presumably, quarks. But as the size decreases, the probability of an interaction will no doubt go down in corresponding measure, because the size of the targets decreases as well. So by the time you get to gammas, they will largely pass through a region of interest. For photons of high enough energy, the mean free path generally goes up, meaning they travel farther and farther through the material. Once we're at gammas, I believe a typical metal will be largely transparent to them. This is all basic stuff, and any physicists reading this will have encountered these ideas in the first year of their education. And I suspect that is a big reason they don't take LENR seriously -- they expect nuclear reactions to produce gammas, and common sense says that there can't be any gammas being produced when you look at what actually happens in the LENR experiments. On this point, it makes a lot of sense to me that they are correct. If there are no gammas, then (1) there is no fusion, except perhaps a trivial kind that doesn't really deserve to be called fusion, or (2) there is real fusion, and there is a modification of the branching ratios or perhaps entirely new branches. An example of a new branch would be: d + d → 4He + M, where M is a nearby nucleus that shares the energy of the reaction as a spectator (all of this should be familiar as Ron Maimon's idea). This conserves momentum somehow. Robin has proposed similar scenarios involving hydrinos, so I take the general idea seriously that branches involving gammas can be systematically suppressed under the right conditions. This would definitely be different than normal fusion. Eric [1] http://phys.org/news/2013-04-quarks-dictate-proton.html
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On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This is a false assumption. Nanoplasmoics show strong coupling between light and electrons at 10 to the minus 8 power of the wavelength of light. Yes -- to clarify my earlier point, photons of large wavelength can also interact with small bodies, as when you have antenna picking up radio waves. But I haven't seen an example of the reverse -- photons of very small wavelength having a high probability of interacting with large bodies (or bodies with large wavelengths, I should say). Eric
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
The size of the active region of the hot spot is between 500 picometers to 100 picometers. The wavelength of a gamma ray is 10 picometers. There is not much mismatch between these sizes. ** ** On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This is a false assumption. Nanoplasmoics show strong coupling between light and electrons at 10 to the minus 8 power of the wavelength of light. Yes -- to clarify my earlier point, photons of large wavelength can also interact with small bodies, as when you have antenna picking up radio waves. But I haven't seen an example of the reverse -- photons of very small wavelength having a high probability of interacting with large bodies (or bodies with large wavelengths, I should say). Eric
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
If a bunch of low energy photons is equivalent to the energy of 1 high energy gamma photon, why can't a particular nuclear reaction sometimes produce a mountain of infrared photons instead one gamma photon? According to conservation of energy this is possible, so why is it considered impossible? harry On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: ** ** Dave stated: “… and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma.” ** ** When one looks at subatomic particles as dipolar oscillations, and within the NAE, all those oscillations being aligned and IN-PHASE, they will serve as energy sinks for a specific wavelength of energy. Thus, the amount of energy that would have been emitted in a gamma is distributed as smaller packets amongst the large number of IN-phase oscillators. ** ** This all reminds me of a PhysOrg article I mentioned a few years ago where the scientists had isolated two atoms, side by side, and cooled to near 0K… they could watch as one of the atoms remained completely still, while the other would wiggle, because it had a quantum of heat energy and thus, [my conclusion] the internal oscillators were out-of-balance, which causes the entire atom to ‘shake’. What was interesting is that they could do something (don’t remember what) that would cause that quantum of heat to xfer from the shaking atom to the still one and, you guessed it, the one that was still was now shaking and the former holder of the quantum of heat was now still. ** ** Back to Dave’s statement… Does the gamma get emitted, but then immediately absorbed by the ‘Collective’ oscillations, or is it a direct xfer of quanta of energy as explained above? In either case, whatever the exact conditions that are required, it would seem that those conditions result in BOTH new low-energy nuclear processes AND an energy sink which (almost entirely) favors coupling into lattice vibrations instead of emission of energetic particles. ** ** -mark ** ** ** ** *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:07 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! ** ** In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma. The system difference is evident and I have not seem papers describing known fusion events recorded within a metal matrix where gammas are emitted at the expected levels. ** ** I proposed an experiment where a palladium cube loaded with deuterium is subjected to a flux of muons as a way to induce conditions that are known to result in fusion. If this does not result in the release of a number of gammas, then evidence is obtained that fusion within a metal matrix is different than that occurring within a gas. Of course, muon induced fusion might behave differently than normal LENR activity. The more clues that we obtain about the behavior of LENR, the faster we can understand the mechanism. ** ** Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! Mark, ** ** Some of us only see a duck as a downer (cough, cough) ** ** Anyway, and from one fringe-of-the-fringe LENR perspective, this has strong force interaction written all over it, whether it is obvious to W-L proponents or not. ** ** RPF(reversible proton fusion) would certainly interact with its surrounds via spin (magnons) and would shuttle from one state (Helium-2) to another (two protons) with only quark interactions to show for the experience. The net energy deposited (or removed) is small per event, but happens at the rate of blackbody phonon vibration (mid terahertz). ** ** Thus even micro(eV) energy change per event can get amplified rapidly, if and when asymmetry is engineered into the reaction. ** ** ... hmmm... I'm now thinking of calling quark color-change as seen in RPF as the quark-quack reaction ... nothing there but spin,
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Hi Eric: The article you reference http://phys.org/news/2013-04-quarks-dictate-proton.html was also included in my original posting… perhaps you should read the entire thread? I for one would be interested in hearing other more knowledgeable people’s opinions on the point of my posting, which is that what is lacking in modern/mainstream atomic/nuclear physics is a physical model… HOW does one explain WHY we see certain *specific* observations like I pointed out in the original posting… LENR is searching for a theoretical model, and it is not going to be found ‘inside the box’… -Mark Iverson From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:21 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The only way I can understand an operation of this type is to assume that the nuclei are connected electro magnetically to a strong degree. Maybe entangled would work, but the coupling would need to be strong. And if entangled, a very large number of resonators would need this coupling to share the load adequately. Dave, while we're taking bets, let me add in mine -- about gammas, my bet agrees largely with Jones's and yours. The important detail is that gammas only occur via secondary reactions. deleted Eric [1] http://phys.org/news/2013-04-quarks-dictate-proton.html
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Ha! Yes, it seems you linked to the article about the quarks far earlier than I did. My apologies for not reading your original post more closely. I think I saw it during lunch on my iPhone and didn't have time to give it the attention it deserved. Yes, chiming in from knowledgeable people would be good too. :) It is fun as an amateur to speculate, but not worth a whole lot in the big scheme of things. Eric On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:52 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Hi Eric: ** ** The article you reference http://phys.org/news/2013-04-quarks-dictate-proton.html was also included in my original posting… perhaps you should read the entire thread? ** ** I for one would be interested in hearing other more knowledgeable people’s opinions on the point of my posting, which is that what is lacking in modern/mainstream atomic/nuclear physics is a physical model… HOW does one explain WHY we see certain **specific** observations like I pointed out in the original posting… ** ** LENR is searching for a theoretical model, and it is not going to be found ‘inside the box’… ** ** -Mark Iverson
Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now!
* MIT Prof. Peter L. Hagelstein stated in an interview as follows: * So there are no significant amount of neutrons, there's no fast electrons, there's no gamma rays. There's nothing you might expect if it were a more normal nuclear reaction process. The basic statement here is that — if it's real and if it's nuclear... the argument for it being nuclear is that there's 4He (helium-4) observed in experiments, roughly one 4He for every 24 MeV of energy that's created. So what you need in the way of a theoretical model, basically a new kind of mechanism that doesn't work like the old Rutherford reaction picture that nuclear physics is based on. So that's the basic problem that I've been working on for a great many years. The big problem is one that has to do with the quantum mechanics issue. The nuclear energy comes in a big energy quantum, and if it didn't get broken up, then the big energy quantum would get expressed as energetic particles, as normally happens in nuclear reactions. So the approach we've taken is that we've said the only conceivable route for making sense of these observations at all, is that the big energy quanta have to get sliced and diced up into a very very large number if much smaller energy quanta. The much larger number is on the order of several hundred million. In NMR physics and optical physics, people are familiar with breaking up a large quantum into perhaps 30 smaller pieces, you could argue that there are some experiments where you could argue that maybe that numbers as high as 100 or so. It's unprecedented that you could take an MeV quantum and chop it up into bite sized pieces that are 10s of meV. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If a bunch of low energy photons is equivalent to the energy of 1 high energy gamma photon, why can't a particular nuclear reaction sometimes produce a mountain of infrared photons instead one gamma photon? According to conservation of energy this is possible, so why is it considered impossible? harry On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: ** ** Dave stated: “… and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma.” ** ** When one looks at subatomic particles as dipolar oscillations, and within the NAE, all those oscillations being aligned and IN-PHASE, they will serve as energy sinks for a specific wavelength of energy. Thus, the amount of energy that would have been emitted in a gamma is distributed as smaller packets amongst the large number of IN-phase oscillators. ** ** This all reminds me of a PhysOrg article I mentioned a few years ago where the scientists had isolated two atoms, side by side, and cooled to near 0K… they could watch as one of the atoms remained completely still, while the other would wiggle, because it had a quantum of heat energy and thus, [my conclusion] the internal oscillators were out-of-balance, which causes the entire atom to ‘shake’. What was interesting is that they could do something (don’t remember what) that would cause that quantum of heat to xfer from the shaking atom to the still one and, you guessed it, the one that was still was now shaking and the former holder of the quantum of heat was now still. ** ** Back to Dave’s statement… Does the gamma get emitted, but then immediately absorbed by the ‘Collective’ oscillations, or is it a direct xfer of quanta of energy as explained above? In either case, whatever the exact conditions that are required, it would seem that those conditions result in BOTH new low-energy nuclear processes AND an energy sink which (almost entirely) favors coupling into lattice vibrations instead of emission of energetic particles. ** ** -mark ** ** ** ** *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:07 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:A pile of clues... should be obvious by now! ** ** In the end, it should be crystal clear to anyone who understands nuclear engineering - that there is no possible way to adequately explain the lack of gammas in LENR - other than that they never happened at all. I agree with you Jones. The only way to explain this process is to assume that the gammas are not emitted at any time and that the energy from the reactions is shared among the atoms surrounding it. I have been looking for evidence that fusion can take place in the compact environment of a cold fusion NAE in a manner that is very different from that occurring within a plasma. The system difference is evident and I have not seem papers describing known fusion events recorded within a metal matrix where gammas are emitted
