RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides
Fran: “… matter would collapse and time would not even exist without these virtual pairs streaming thru our spatial dimensions perpendicular to space.” We do have a significant difference of opinion on the details of the matter/ZPF interation… but aside from that: Under normal/usual circumstances, when the atom enters the narrow Casimir channel it gives up some of its E to the ZPF, and when it exits, it ‘springs back’ to normal ground-state -- NO overall gain or loss; COE still intact and we’re not thinking heretically! J There is a deltaE from the ground-state E as it enters the narrow channel and drops to a fractional g-state - the usual path for that deltaE is back to the ZPF. However, all one needs to find is a way to couple that deltaE into the walls of the narrow Casimir cavity instead of into the ZPF, and voila… Nobel prize time! That can’t be that difficult, can it? Next to ponder is in what manner that deltaE would manifest??? Would it be in the form of an electric current? The walls of the Casimir cavity are conducting, and I assume at the same potential since you don’t want an E-fld between them… IIRC. If you don’t have a near-zero impedance load, then a voltage would form on the walls of the Casimir cavity and destroy the effect??? Gotta git some shuteye, -Mark Iverson From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 6:31 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: puth...@earthtech.org Subject: RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides Mark, Just finished Puthoff’s 2012 paper and although I like his conclusion below I still feel he is avoiding giving credit to the creation and annihilation of pairs as powering all atomic and subatomic motion, he refers to a “balance” between photon emission and ZP absorption but appears to be paying homage to our ingrained assumption in physics that atomic motion is just an inherent property of matter where I would argue that matter would collapse and time would not even exist without these virtual pairs streaming thru our spatial dimensions perpendicular to space.. [snip] Atoms therefore constitute open systems engaged in dynamic interactions with the surrounding vacuum states. Specifically, the on net radiationless characteristic of the ground state is shown here to derive from particle‐ vacuum interactions in which a dynamic equilibrium is established between radiation emission due to particle acceleration, and compensatory absorption from the zero‐point fluctuations of the vacuum electromagnetic field. Thus, the vacuum field is formally necessary for the stability of atomic structures, and this underlying principle therefore constitutes an important feature of quantum ground states. [/snip] Fran _ From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides Dammit Fran, ya made me leave the Dimebox Saloon to go look up the refs… Good news is that my memory isn’t fading yet! 2012: Quantum Ground States as Equilibrium Particle‐Vacuum Interaction States http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.1952.pdf http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.1952.pdf And his first paper on this in ’87: http://www.earthtech.org/publications/PRDv35_3266.pdf http://www.earthtech.org/publications/PRDv35_3266.pdf Abstract A remarkable feature of atomic ground states is that they are observed to be radiationless in nature, despite (from a classical viewpoint) typically involving charged particles in accelerated motions. The simple hydrogen atom is a case in point. This universal ground‐state characteristic is shown to derive from particle‐vacuum interactions in which a dynamic equilibrium is established between radiation emission due to particle acceleration, and compensatory absorption from the zero ‐point fluctuations of the vacuum electromagnetic field [1]. The result is a net radiationless ground state. This principle constitutes an overarching constraint that delineates an important feature of quantum ground states. And this work by David Rodriguez which adds to the above: 2012: “Orbital stability and the quantum atomic spectrum from Stochastic Electrodynamics” http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.6168 http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.6168 Last part of Abstract: Puthoff's work led necessarily to the quantization of angular momentum: if stable orbits exist... then their angular momentum must be quantized; now, too, we are able to do a much stronger statement: the equations of the system, in the presence of ZPF background, lead necessarily to a discrete set of stable orbits. Rodriguez’s paper is extensive… Fran’s buying the next round of drinks!! J -Mark Iverson _ From: Frank roarty [mailto:fr...@roarty.biz] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:13 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides Mark, I
[Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
Given the various disappointments lately(weak defkalion demo, 'freeze on customer relations' by Luca, background research on various contributors, no interesting replications of Celani, etc), I'm currently re-adjusting my odds of Rossi/Defkalion being real lower. I was previously willing to give 4:1(20%) odds and take 1:1(50%) that an article would be presented in a reputable journal would be published on Rossi's device by EOY 2014 (this was on another blog).If you average it out, that implies about a 35% chance something would get published. The deal would be that we'd escrow bitcoins with the hoster of that blog. Until the coins had been completely escrowed by both parties, the bet would not be official. All parties are responsible for their own transactions fees. However, since I'm adjusting it lower, I am now at about 17:3 (15%) and 3:2 (40%) or avg 27% that such a paper will get published. Feel free to contact me private for more information. I won't be replying publicly. Cheers, Blaze.
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:OT: World's first! CYPRUS: President announces “Guaranteed Minimum Income” program
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:32 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: CYPRUS: President announces “Guaranteed Minimum Income” program http://binews.org/2013/08/cyprus-president-announces-%E2%80%9Cguaranteed-minimum-income%E2%80%9D-program I hope they are not depending on Praxen to help fund this. :)
Re: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:21 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Under normal/usual circumstances, when the atom enters the narrow Casimir channel it gives up some of its E to the ZPF, and when it exits, it ‘springs back’ to normal ground-state -- NO overall gain or loss; COE still intact and we’re not thinking heretically! But, why does it enter the channel? Possibly due to the electrostatic attraction between the partially exposed proton of the H atom due to its electron being in a highly excited state?
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I was previously willing to give 4:1(20%) odds and take 1:1(50%) that an article would be presented in a reputable journal As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. I do not know anyone who thinking of writing an article, and I probably know most of the people capable of it. Mark Gibbs demonstrated what happens to mainstream reporters who talk about cold fusion. I realize that he denies he was fired for talking about cold fusion, but I think he is being diplomatic. His last article said he planned to talk more about it, so he did not see this coming. I doubt that a paper or mass media article would be helpful. Both sides oppose publicity. Defkalion and Rossi do not want an article, and no journal or newspaper wants to publish one. Generally speaking, in commerce, confidential information is worthless. Most secrets turn out to be mistakes. Anything with intellectual property value should be patented, which soon makes it open to the public. Many patent applications are also worthless. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things have changed in the last few years to make cold fusion even more disreputable, this simply isn't true. I'll let Kevin fill you in on the details.. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I was previously willing to give 4:1(20%) odds and take 1:1(50%) that an article would be presented in a reputable journal As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. I do not know anyone who thinking of writing an article, and I probably know most of the people capable of it. Mark Gibbs demonstrated what happens to mainstream reporters who talk about cold fusion. I realize that he denies he was fired for talking about cold fusion, but I think he is being diplomatic. His last article said he planned to talk more about it, so he did not see this coming. I doubt that a paper or mass media article would be helpful. Both sides oppose publicity. Defkalion and Rossi do not want an article, and no journal or newspaper wants to publish one. Generally speaking, in commerce, confidential information is worthless. Most secrets turn out to be mistakes. Anything with intellectual property value should be patented, which soon makes it open to the public. Many patent applications are also worthless. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
Anyways. Talk is cheap. If you think it's such a low chance - bet me! On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:48 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things have changed in the last few years to make cold fusion even more disreputable, this simply isn't true. I'll let Kevin fill you in on the details.. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I was previously willing to give 4:1(20%) odds and take 1:1(50%) that an article would be presented in a reputable journal As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. I do not know anyone who thinking of writing an article, and I probably know most of the people capable of it. Mark Gibbs demonstrated what happens to mainstream reporters who talk about cold fusion. I realize that he denies he was fired for talking about cold fusion, but I think he is being diplomatic. His last article said he planned to talk more about it, so he did not see this coming. I doubt that a paper or mass media article would be helpful. Both sides oppose publicity. Defkalion and Rossi do not want an article, and no journal or newspaper wants to publish one. Generally speaking, in commerce, confidential information is worthless. Most secrets turn out to be mistakes. Anything with intellectual property value should be patented, which soon makes it open to the public. Many patent applications are also worthless. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things have changed in the last few years to make cold fusion even more disreputable, this simply isn't true. I'll let Kevin fill you in on the details.. There have not been any mention of cold fusion in the mass media in the last few years as far as I know, except for NyTeknik and and Forbes. Forbes is now closed. There have been a few journal papers published, but nothing about Rossi or Defkalion. Neither of them expresses any interest in publishing papers themselves. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
OK jed! On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things have changed in the last few years to make cold fusion even more disreputable, this simply isn't true. I'll let Kevin fill you in on the details.. There have not been any mention of cold fusion in the mass media in the last few years as far as I know, except for NyTeknik and and Forbes. Forbes is now closed. There have been a few journal papers published, but nothing about Rossi or Defkalion. Neither of them expresses any interest in publishing papers themselves. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
I am having a difficult time reconciling your calculation with what DGT shows in the video. I recall them stating that .5 liters per minute was the incoming cold water flow rate. Do you remember seeing a different number? My initial issue is with the velocity of the steam leaving the output pipe when the temperature was around 160 C. It is not obvious what you calculated for this value and that is what I question. Sorry if this is not clear. I calculated a rough number that was in the vicinity of 100 meters per second while I believe you got much lower. I assumed pipe with an inside diameter of 1 cm which was different than you used. Is there any report of the actual pipe size used during the experiment? At this point I am assuming that I made some calculation error, but have not had an opportunity to track it down. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe) From: mix...@bigpond.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:19:12 PM m = Q / ( c * dT) = 79.2 * 10^3 / ( 4.186 * 25 ) = 79200 / 104.65 = 756.8 kg/h = 12.6 kg/MINUTE === not seconds which is close to what I used. 756.8 kg/hr = 0.21 kg/sec (you forgot to divide by 60 to convert minutes to seconds). I typed in the units wrong at the end -- 12 kg/MINUTE, which is what Defkalion were using (liters/minute)
Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
They were pumping about 500 mL / minute, with some minor adjustments to maintain core temperature. Craig On 08/06/2013 11:05 AM, David Roberson wrote: I am having a difficult time reconciling your calculation with what DGT shows in the video. I recall them stating that .5 liters per minute was the incoming cold water flow rate. Do you remember seeing a different number? My initial issue is with the velocity of the steam leaving the output pipe when the temperature was around 160 C. It is not obvious what you calculated for this value and that is what I question. Sorry if this is not clear. I calculated a rough number that was in the vicinity of 100 meters per second while I believe you got much lower. I assumed pipe with an inside diameter of 1 cm which was different than you used. Is there any report of the actual pipe size used during the experiment? At this point I am assuming that I made some calculation error, but have not had an opportunity to track it down. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe) From: mix...@bigpond.com mailto:mix...@bigpond.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:19:12 PM m = Q / ( c * dT) = 79.2 * 10^3 / ( 4.186 * 25 ) = 79200 / 104.65 = 756.8 kg/h = 12.6 kg/MINUTE === not seconds which is close to what I used. 756.8 kg/hr = 0.21 kg/sec (you forgot to divide by 60 to convert minutes to seconds). I typed in the units wrong at the end -- 12 kg/MINUTE, which is what Defkalion were using (liters/minute)
Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Eventually the price itself is a tremendous indicator. My experience with non-monetary prediction markets is that the pathological popular belief system will prevail until the last minute and then the price will reflect reality. What is needed is a prediction market that rewards one not simply for having purchased as a low price, but also for the time integral of the misvaluation of the popular pathological belief system.
Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:05:26 AM I am having a difficult time reconciling your calculation with what DGT shows in the video. I recall them stating that .5 liters per minute was the incoming cold water flow rate. Do you remember seeing a different number? My initial issue is with the velocity of the steam leaving the output pipe when the temperature was around 160 C. It is not obvious what you calculated for this value and that is what I question. Sorry if this is not clear. You missed my point entirely. I calculated the required water flow to AVOID steam. With 22kW total power, and setting the output temperature to a safe 50C (roughly 25C greater than the inlet) I calculated the required flow (12 litres/minute), and then checked to see if that was reasonable for a 2cm tube. It seems to me that it is.
[Vo]:Have We Reached Peak Oil?
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21582516-worlds-thirst-oil-could-be-nearing-peak-bad-news-producers-excellent Since then demand for oil has, with a couple of blips in the 1970s and 1980s, risen steadily alongside ever-increasing travel by car, plane and ship. Three-fifths of it ends up in fuel tanks. With billions of Chinese and Indians growing richer and itching to get behind the wheel of a car, the big oil companies, the International Energy Agency (IEA) and America’s Energy Information Administration all predict that demand will keep on rising. One of the oil giants, Britain’s BP, reckons it will grow from 89m b/d now to 104m b/d by 2030. We believe that they are wrong, and that oil is close to a peak. This is not the “peak oil” widely discussed several years ago, when several theorists, who have since gone strangely quiet, reckoned that supply would flatten and then fall. We believe that demand, not supply, could decline. In the rich world oil demand has already peaked: it has fallen since 2005. Even allowing for all those new drivers in Beijing and Delhi, two revolutions in technology will dampen the world’s thirst for the black stuff. more
Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
OK Alan, you clarified my understanding. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe) From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:05:26 AM I am having a difficult time reconciling your calculation with what DGT shows in the video. I recall them stating that .5 liters per minute was the incoming cold water flow rate. Do you remember seeing a different number? My initial issue is with the velocity of the steam leaving the output pipe when the temperature was around 160 C. It is not obvious what you calculated for this value and that is what I question. Sorry if this is not clear. You missed my point entirely. I calculated the required water flow to AVOID steam. With 22kW total power, and setting the output temperature to a safe 50C (roughly 25C greater than the inlet) I calculated the required flow (12 litres/minute), and then checked to see if that was reasonable for a 2cm tube. It seems to me that it is.
Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: My experience with non-monetary prediction markets is that the pathological popular belief system will prevail until the last minute and then the price will reflect reality. Yes. When public opinion is wildly wrong, the adjustment to reality tends to be sudden. It is catastrophic. It is usually triggered by a dramatic event that few people anticipate. For example, the stock market crashes. People who were in Japan in 1945 have often said they never expected the nation would surrender and the war would end. Some thought they would win. Others thought that every last person would be killed in fighting or by starvation. Good news about technology tends to sneak up on people. The advantages of automobiles, computers and the Internet was apparent to early adopters, and then gradually the rest of society caught on. Only the airplane was a major surprise. Cold fusion will not follow this pattern because for many people it is an unmitigated disaster. Especially for the first people who will be affected by it. Prominent scientists who have opposed it will see their reputations and careers destroyed. Energy companies will face ruin. - Jed
[Vo]:A brief history of how newspapers were done in by the Internet
This is well written. It was published in 2009. See: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable/ QUOTE: The problem newspapers face isn’t that they didn’t see the internet coming. They not only saw it miles off, they figured out early on that they needed a plan to deal with it, and during the early 90s they came up with not just one plan but several. One was to partner with companies like America Online . . . As these ideas were articulated, there was intense debate about the merits of various scenarios. Would DRM or walled gardens work better? Shouldn’t we try a carrot-and-stick approach, with educationand prosecution? And so on. In all this conversation, there was one scenario that was widely regarded as unthinkable, a scenario that didn’t get much discussion in the nation’s newsrooms, for the obvious reason. The unthinkable scenario unfolded something like this: The ability to share content wouldn’t shrink, it would grow. Walled gardens would prove unpopular. Digital advertising would reduce inefficiencies, and therefore profits.. . . . [To summarize, newspapers would go out of business] . . . Revolutions create a curious inversion of perception. In ordinary times, people who do no more than describe the world around them are seen as pragmatists, while those who imagine fabulous alternative futures are viewed as radicals. The last couple of decades haven’t been ordinary, however. Inside the papers, the pragmatists were the ones simply looking out the window and noticing that the real world increasingly resembled the unthinkable scenario. These people were treated as if they were barking mad. Meanwhile the people spinning visions of popular walled gardens and enthusiastic micropayment adoption, visions unsupported by reality, were regarded not as charlatans but saviors. When reality is labeled unthinkable, it creates a kind of sickness in an industry. Leadership becomes faith-based, while employees who have the temerity to suggest that what seems to be happening is in fact happening are herded into Innovation Departments, where they can be ignored en bloc. . . . - Jed
Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion
On Aug 6, 2013, at 11:05, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Energy companies will face ruin. I wonder whether they can slow that process down through a well-conceived campaign of lobbying for commercial and industrial regulation. Eric
Re: [Vo]:A brief history of how newspapers were done in by the Internet
Your description match the model of roland Benabou Collective delusion... He predict few phenomena : That when the delusion is strongly attacked, the violence against dissenters increase (some call that circling the wagons). That subordinate (by order, by funding, by peer-review) follow the delusion of their hierarchy, because they cannot escape the doom and will suffer from punishment by delusioned meanwhile. That delusion is stronger when you suffer from the delusion of others, and weaker if you benefit from their delusion. That lucid people maybe be delusioned because they don't accept their own knowledge, because seeing mass delusion around them. http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20BW.pdf the most funny is that all is mathematically modeled, by a simple model based on the simple hypothesis that people can avoid seeing .the facts if it reduce their perceived wealth. in the annex D you see patterns of denial, in real life, like Enron, Challenger,... the inversion of perception happen when the facts are so unavoidable that it is not possible to maintain the illusion. Nassim Nicholas taleb say something similar explaining that after a black swan people reinvent the history saying all was clear since long (it happen with sendai/fukishima earthquake)... In fact despite evidence most of the time it take a long time to see a blackswan. this is probably the paradigmchange blindness that Thoùas Kuhn describe in his work. http://fr.slideshare.net/sandhyajohnson/the-structure-of-scientific-revolutions-thomas-kuhn-book-summary# all start to be connected. what happen to LENR since 25years is normal, normal science, normal delusion, normal transition, normal black swan. I really notice that in LENR 2013/8/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com This is well written. It was published in 2009. See: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable/ QUOTE: The problem newspapers face isn’t that they didn’t see the internet coming. They not only saw it miles off, they figured out early on that they needed a plan to deal with it, and during the early 90s they came up with not just one plan but several. One was to partner with companies like America Online . . . As these ideas were articulated, there was intense debate about the merits of various scenarios. Would DRM or walled gardens work better? Shouldn’t we try a carrot-and-stick approach, with educationand prosecution? And so on. In all this conversation, there was one scenario that was widely regarded as unthinkable, a scenario that didn’t get much discussion in the nation’s newsrooms, for the obvious reason. The unthinkable scenario unfolded something like this: The ability to share content wouldn’t shrink, it would grow. Walled gardens would prove unpopular. Digital advertising would reduce inefficiencies, and therefore profits.. . . . [To summarize, newspapers would go out of business] . . . Revolutions create a curious inversion of perception. In ordinary times, people who do no more than describe the world around them are seen as pragmatists, while those who imagine fabulous alternative futures are viewed as radicals. The last couple of decades haven’t been ordinary, however. Inside the papers, the pragmatists were the ones simply looking out the window and noticing that the real world increasingly resembled the unthinkable scenario. These people were treated as if they were barking mad. Meanwhile the people spinning visions of popular walled gardens and enthusiastic micropayment adoption, visions unsupported by reality, were regarded not as charlatans but saviors. When reality is labeled unthinkable, it creates a kind of sickness in an industry. Leadership becomes faith-based, while employees who have the temerity to suggest that what seems to be happening is in fact happening are herded into Innovation Departments, where they can be ignored en bloc. . . . - Jed
Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion
One issue that will emerge is that many of the electrical power companies are regulated by states to ensure a well defined profit. As many leave the grid, the remaining customers will have to pay more. It would not surprise me to find laws enacted to slow down the departures. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion On Aug 6, 2013, at 11:05, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Energy companies will face ruin. I wonder whether they can slow that process down through a well-conceived campaign of lobbying for commercial and industrial regulation. Eric
Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Energy companies will face ruin. I wonder whether they can slow that process down through a well-conceived campaign of lobbying for commercial and industrial regulation. I am sure they will try. Whether they succeed or not will depend upon the will of the public. The newspapers and Hollywood have fought to prevent digital piracy. They have been trying to impose standards to prevent copying such as DRM, and they have asked Congress to put more teeth into copyright enforcement. This has largely been a losing battle. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A brief history of how newspapers were done in by the Internet
Compare to what I wrote in 1982 when in charge of the network architecture of the first electronic newspaper in the US: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2702791cid=39217853 That was for the now-defunct Knight-Ridder News Service at the Mami Herald. Oh, and by the way 1981-1983 I was the local support team leader in Miami for the Space Studies Institute sponsoring public awareness events about space settlement. Some punk gave his valedictorian speech on space settlement during Miami Palmetto Senior High School's 1982 graduation ceremonies. I don't know why I bring up this ancient history. It can't be nearly as relevant to current events as a 2009 essay. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This is well written. It was published in 2009. See: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable/ QUOTE: The problem newspapers face isn’t that they didn’t see the internet coming. They not only saw it miles off, they figured out early on that they needed a plan to deal with it, and during the early 90s they came up with not just one plan but several. One was to partner with companies like America Online . . . As these ideas were articulated, there was intense debate about the merits of various scenarios. Would DRM or walled gardens work better? Shouldn’t we try a carrot-and-stick approach, with educationand prosecution? And so on. In all this conversation, there was one scenario that was widely regarded as unthinkable, a scenario that didn’t get much discussion in the nation’s newsrooms, for the obvious reason. The unthinkable scenario unfolded something like this: The ability to share content wouldn’t shrink, it would grow. Walled gardens would prove unpopular. Digital advertising would reduce inefficiencies, and therefore profits.. . . . [To summarize, newspapers would go out of business] . . . Revolutions create a curious inversion of perception. In ordinary times, people who do no more than describe the world around them are seen as pragmatists, while those who imagine fabulous alternative futures are viewed as radicals. The last couple of decades haven’t been ordinary, however. Inside the papers, the pragmatists were the ones simply looking out the window and noticing that the real world increasingly resembled the unthinkable scenario. These people were treated as if they were barking mad. Meanwhile the people spinning visions of popular walled gardens and enthusiastic micropayment adoption, visions unsupported by reality, were regarded not as charlatans but saviors. When reality is labeled unthinkable, it creates a kind of sickness in an industry. Leadership becomes faith-based, while employees who have the temerity to suggest that what seems to be happening is in fact happening are herded into Innovation Departments, where they can be ignored en bloc. . . . - Jed
[Vo]:O.T. Very nice Mars Curiosity Tracker
The N.Y. Times has put up a very nice day by day travel tracker of Curiosity's journey across the surface of Mars. You can click on any particular day or location from the very beginning until the most current Sol and you will be presented with several pictures and panoramas of that day. Highly recommended . Link: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/science/space/mars-curiosity-rover-tracker.html?ref=space# Bob
[Vo]:test message
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Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:25:24 -0300: Hi, [snip] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosenova Sounds like Inverse Rydberg Rubidium suddenly forming. :) If so, this could reveal the trigger that is needed to convert Rydberg H into IRH, with the release of hundreds of eV / atom. Once the energy is removed, new Hydrogen introduced and promoted to RH, then we start all over again with the next cycle. Power output regulated by the frequency of the cycling. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
Well, it seems to me that only H can have an inverse rydberg state... 2013/8/6 mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:25:24 -0300: Hi, [snip] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosenova Sounds like Inverse Rydberg Rubidium suddenly forming. :) If so, this could reveal the trigger that is needed to convert Rydberg H into IRH, with the release of hundreds of eV / atom. Once the energy is removed, new Hydrogen introduced and promoted to RH, then we start all over again with the next cycle. Power output regulated by the frequency of the cycling. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
The energy of the vacuum causes the Bosenova From: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0412041 *The collapsing condensate was observed to lose atoms until the atom number reduced to about the critical value below which a stable condensate can exist. The dependence of the number of remaining atoms on time since initiation of the collapse _evolve was measured for the case of an initial state with Ninit = 16000 atoms and repulsive interaction corresponding to ainit = +7a0, where a0 is the hydrogen Bohr radius. * *The onset of number loss is quite sudden, with milliseconds of very little loss followed by a rapid decay of condensate population (within 0.5 ms) after which the condensate stabilizes again. This behavior results from the scaling of the loss rate with the cube of the density, the peak value of which rises as 1/(tcollapse − t) near the collapse point. * *This allows a precise definition of the collapse time tcollapse, the time after initiation of the collapse up to which only negligible numbers of atoms are lost from the condensate. Another quantitative result of the experiment is the dependence of tcollapse on the magnitude of the attractive interaction that causes the collapse, parametrised by the (negative) scattering length acollapse. These measurements are performed from an initial state with Ninit = 6000 atoms in an ideal gas state (with interaction between them tuned to zero). The tcollapse datapoints presented in the original paper have undergone one revision of their acollapse values by a factor of 1.166(8) due to a more precisely determined background scattering length. * * Although the main focus of this paper shall be on the collapse time, we mention two other striking features of the experiment: the appearance of ’bursts’ and ’jets’. One fraction of the atoms that are lost during the collapse is expelled from the condensate at quite high energies (∼100 nK to ∼400 nK, while the condensate temperature is 3 nK); this phenomenon was referred to as ’bursts’. Finally, when the collapse was interrupted during the period of number loss by a sudden jump in the scattering length, another atom ejection mechanism was observed: ’jets’ of atoms emerge, almost purely in the radial direction and with temperatures a lot lower than that of the bursts (a few nK)* My theory of the bosenova explosion When too many atoms are packed into too confined a space, the uncertainty principle comes into play. A confined space means an uncertain(aka high) kinetic energy. When confinement gets high enough, the associated increase in kinetic energy destabilizes the condensate and the condensate breaks down. When the condensate breaks down, the energy derived from the vacuum is carried off by high energy atoms in the form of jets and bursts as described above. When the condensate, reaches a size small enough to reduce the uncertainty in the condensate’s momentum, the condensate will reform with a lowered number of member atoms. Cheers:Axil On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it seems to me that only H can have an inverse rydberg state... 2013/8/6 mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:25:24 -0300: Hi, [snip] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosenova Sounds like Inverse Rydberg Rubidium suddenly forming. :) If so, this could reveal the trigger that is needed to convert Rydberg H into IRH, with the release of hundreds of eV / atom. Once the energy is removed, new Hydrogen introduced and promoted to RH, then we start all over again with the next cycle. Power output regulated by the frequency of the cycling. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
Mark Gibbs demonstrated what happens to mainstream reporters who talk about cold fusion. I realize that he denies he was fired for talking about cold fusion, but I think he is being diplomatic. His last article said he planned to talk more about it, so he did not see this coming. ***That's the first I've heard of Mark Gibbs getting fired. Any further details? On 8/6/13, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: OK jed! On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things have changed in the last few years to make cold fusion even more disreputable, this simply isn't true. I'll let Kevin fill you in on the details.. There have not been any mention of cold fusion in the mass media in the last few years as far as I know, except for NyTeknik and and Forbes. Forbes is now closed. There have been a few journal papers published, but nothing about Rossi or Defkalion. Neither of them expresses any interest in publishing papers themselves. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
Why then doesn't the condensate stabilize in an equilibrium instead of exploding? 2013/8/6 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com the associated increase in kinetic energy destabilizes the condensate and the condensate breaks down. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:Bosenova
Robin, Nice concept.. I have seen a couple threads regarding this transition from Rydberg to inverse Rydberg but I don't know if anyone else has previously suggested this as the source of anomalous heat.. an endless reversible transition based on geometry and hydrogen populations. Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bosenova In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:25:24 -0300: Hi, [snip] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosenova Sounds like Inverse Rydberg Rubidium suddenly forming. :) If so, this could reveal the trigger that is needed to convert Rydberg H into IRH, with the release of hundreds of eV / atom. Once the energy is removed, new Hydrogen introduced and promoted to RH, then we start all over again with the next cycle. Power output regulated by the frequency of the cycling. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
He didn't say he was fired. It could as easily have been a disagreement over editorial policy causing him to resign. There is a difference. Moreover, his statement does indicate this, rather than him being fired was what happened. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Gibbs demonstrated what happens to mainstream reporters who talk about cold fusion. I realize that he denies he was fired for talking about cold fusion, but I think he is being diplomatic. His last article said he planned to talk more about it, so he did not see this coming. ***That's the first I've heard of Mark Gibbs getting fired. Any further details? On 8/6/13, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: OK jed! On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things have changed in the last few years to make cold fusion even more disreputable, this simply isn't true. I'll let Kevin fill you in on the details.. There have not been any mention of cold fusion in the mass media in the last few years as far as I know, except for NyTeknik and and Forbes. Forbes is now closed. There have been a few journal papers published, but nothing about Rossi or Defkalion. Neither of them expresses any interest in publishing papers themselves. - Jed
[Vo]:Lattice Energy's latest comments on Li-battery failures
Lattice Energy LLC- Containment of Lithium-based Battery Fires-A Fools Paradise-Aug 6 2013 Super-hot electric arc discharges and LENRs http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-containment-of-lithiumbased-battery-firesa-fools-paradiseaug-6-2013
Re: [Vo]:Lattice Energy's latest comments on Li-battery failures
They sure can pack a lot into a slide. They mention investigating many-body collective quantum effects in slide 86 or 87. I don't remember them talking quantum previously. I think the Dreamliner's root problem, along with the higher risk with Li, is that carbon fiber reinforced plastic shell offering reduced electromagnetic protection for all of the electronics on board. They skimped to keep the plane light based upon what I have read. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:21 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Lattice Energy LLC- Containment of Lithium-based Battery Fires-A Fools Paradise-Aug 6 2013 Super-hot electric arc discharges and LENRs http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-containment-of-lithiumbased-battery-firesa-fools-paradiseaug-6-2013
Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%
Forgive me for asking this, but what, exactly, is the point in making bets as to whether LENR is real, will come to market, will be published in a reputable journal, etc? For me, this line of discussion is a childish distraction. Go to Vegas. (Maybe Laughlin,would be more to your style). best regards, Michael Hendrix On Aug 6, 2013, at 8:53 AM, blaze spinnaker wrote: Anyways. Talk is cheap. If you think it's such a low chance - bet me! On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:48 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things have changed in the last few years to make cold fusion even more disreputable, this simply isn't true. I'll let Kevin fill you in on the details.. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I was previously willing to give 4:1(20%) odds and take 1:1(50%) that an article would be presented in a reputable journal As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. I do not know anyone who thinking of writing an article, and I probably know most of the people capable of it. Mark Gibbs demonstrated what happens to mainstream reporters who talk about cold fusion. I realize that he denies he was fired for talking about cold fusion, but I think he is being diplomatic. His last article said he planned to talk more about it, so he did not see this coming. I doubt that a paper or mass media article would be helpful. Both sides oppose publicity. Defkalion and Rossi do not want an article, and no journal or newspaper wants to publish one. Generally speaking, in commerce, confidential information is worthless. Most secrets turn out to be mistakes. Anything with intellectual property value should be patented, which soon makes it open to the public. Many patent applications are also worthless. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:14:57 -0400: Hi, [snip] When the condensate, reaches a size small enough to reduce the uncertainty in the condensates momentum, the condensate will reform with a lowered number of member atoms. ...surely, as the size decreases, so does the uncertainty in position, hence the uncertainty in momentum should increase? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides
Terry, The flow of hydrogen atoms thru the narrow/wide Casimir cavities would be maintained by some kind of mechanical (pressure) means, thus, forcing the atoms thru the channels... -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 4:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:21 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Under normal/usual circumstances, when the atom enters the narrow Casimir channel it gives up some of its E to the ZPF, and when it exits, it 'springs back' to normal ground-state -- NO overall gain or loss; COE still intact and we're not thinking heretically! But, why does it enter the channel? Possibly due to the electrostatic attraction between the partially exposed proton of the H atom due to its electron being in a highly excited state?
Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
In reply to Frank roarty's message of Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:04:38 -0400: Hi Fran, This wouldn't be reversible. Once shrunk, they stay shrunk. That's why it would be necessary to constantly introduce new Hydrogen. However at several hundred eV / atom, and sea water as a source of Hydrogen, we could go on for billions of years. However one has to wonder what happens to all that IRH. It would be very dense, and might end up in the core of the Earth, where every now and again a couple of atoms would probably convert to D (very slowly). (See also Jones' previous conjectures along these lines.) Assuming of course that it doesn't undergo fusion reactions sooner than that. [snip] Robin, Nice concept.. I have seen a couple threads regarding this transition from Rydberg to inverse Rydberg but I don't know if anyone else has previously suggested this as the source of anomalous heat.. an endless reversible transition based on geometry and hydrogen populations. Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bosenova In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:25:24 -0300: Hi, [snip] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosenova Sounds like Inverse Rydberg Rubidium suddenly forming. :) If so, this could reveal the trigger that is needed to convert Rydberg H into IRH, with the release of hundreds of eV / atom. Once the energy is removed, new Hydrogen introduced and promoted to RH, then we start all over again with the next cycle. Power output regulated by the frequency of the cycling. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Bosenova
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:05:34 -0300: Hi, [snip] Well, it seems to me that only H can have an inverse rydberg state... You might be right. I just thought that perhaps, if a proton can orbit an electron, then perhaps a Rubidium ion could too. 2013/8/6 mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:25:24 -0300: Hi, [snip] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosenova Sounds like Inverse Rydberg Rubidium suddenly forming. :) If so, this could reveal the trigger that is needed to convert Rydberg H into IRH, with the release of hundreds of eV / atom. Once the energy is removed, new Hydrogen introduced and promoted to RH, then we start all over again with the next cycle. Power output regulated by the frequency of the cycling. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides
It could be that charge as a static entity is fundamentally an illusion. Perhaps it is a useful illusion, but it is still an illusion. Notice that the coulomb, the unit of charge, is defined in terms of Amperes X Seconds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb Perhaps all charged particles are self-sustaining currents. Harry On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Guys, I have a question that I would like for you to answer. You speak of a balance between classical radiation and some zero point balancing act as the reason that the electron remains in an orbit around the central proton in hydrogen without radiation. In most, if not all of the systems that I have played with, the radiation that is observed within the far field can be determined by integration of an infinite number of individual radiating elements. Each one generates a far field pattern that is either enhanced or balanced out by others. This balancing act is why a constant DC current does not radiate energy away from the source supply and the reason that a huge MRI magnet can put out such a large field without radiating away the drive energy. So, why would we not be able to calculate the ZPE field you describe as merely a second component which vector sums with the original field that would have resulted in radiation without that balance? This type of balance would be equivalent to a negative radiation source with a pattern that is exactly out of phase with the original one generated by the orbiting electron. Calculation of far field patterns due to current can be quite enlightening as the net effects appear to violate COE in many cases. The simple DC loop current case is an interesting example to consider. Each differential element of current around the loop should radiate energy to the far field in a well defined manner. But, when the vector sum of all of the radiating elements is completed, a balance is found that demonstrates that no net far field is seen. Perhaps something of this nature occurs with an atom and the orbiting electron. Dave -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: puthoff puth...@earthtech.org Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 9:32 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides Mark, Just finished Puthoff’s 2012 paper and although I like his conclusion below I still feel he is avoiding giving credit to the creation and annihilation of pairs as powering all atomic and subatomic motion, he refers to a “balance” between photon emission and ZP absorption but appears to be paying homage to our ingrained assumption in physics that atomic motion is just an inherent property of matter where I would argue that matter would collapse and time would not even exist without these virtual pairs streaming thru our spatial dimensions perpendicular to space.. [snip] Atoms therefore constitute open systems engaged in dynamic interactions with the surrounding vacuum states. Specifically, the on net radiationless characteristic of the ground state is shown here to derive from particle‐vacuum interactions in which a dynamic equilibrium is established between radiation emission due to particle acceleration, and compensatory absorption from the zero‐point fluctuations of the vacuum electromagnetic field. Thus, the vacuum field is formally necessary for the stability of atomic structures, and this underlying principle therefore constitutes an important feature of quantum ground states. [/snip] . Fran _ *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.netzeropo...@charter.net] *Sent:* Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:35 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides Dammit Fran, ya made me leave the Dimebox Saloon to go look up the refs… Good news is that my memory isn’t fading yet! 2012: Quantum Ground States as Equilibrium Particle‐Vacuum Interaction States *http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.1952.pdf* http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.1952.pdf And his first paper on this in ’87: *http://www.earthtech.org/publications/PRDv35_3266.pdf*http://www.earthtech.org/publications/PRDv35_3266.pdf Abstract A remarkable feature of atomic ground states is that they are observed to be radiationless in nature, despite (from a classical viewpoint) typically involving charged particles in accelerated motions. The simple hydrogen atom is a case in point. This universal ground‐state characteristic is shown to derive from particle‐vacuum interactions in which a dynamic equilibrium is established between radiation emission due to particle acceleration, and compensatory absorption from the zero‐point fluctuations of the vacuum electromagnetic field [1]. The result is a net radiationless ground state. This principle constitutes an overarching constraint that delineates an important feature of
[Vo]:[meteorite-list] Platinum and other metals point to cosmic impact cause of Younger Dryas 13 kya: Robin Whittle: Rich Murray 2013.08.06
[meteorite-list] Platinum and other metals point to cosmic impact cause of Younger Dryas 13 kya: Robin Whittle: Rich Murray 2013.08.06 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2013/08/meteorite-list-platinum-and-other.html Robin Whittle r...@firstpr.com.au 8:17 PM PST Tuesday 2013.08.06 to Meteorite-list Here is a write-up: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-evidence-cosmic-impact-younger-dryas.html of an article: Large Pt anomaly in the Greenland ice core points to a cataclysm at the onset of Younger Dryas Michail I. Petaev a, mpet...@fas.harvard.edu, Shichun Huang a, Stein B. Jacobsen a and Alan Zindler a http://www.pnas.org/content/110/32/12917 Abstract One explanation of the abrupt cooling episode known as the Younger Dryas (YD) is a cosmic impact or airburst at the YD boundary (YDB) that triggered cooling and resulted in other calamities, including the disappearance of the Clovis culture and the extinction of many large mammal species. We tested the YDB impact hypothesis by analyzing ice samples from the Greenland Ice Sheet Project 2 (GISP2) ice core across the Bølling-Allerød/YD boundary for major and trace elements. We found a large Pt anomaly at the YDB, not accompanied by a prominent Ir anomaly, with the Pt/Ir ratios at the Pt peak exceeding those in known terrestrial and extraterrestrial materials. Whereas the highly fractionated Pt/Ir ratio rules out mantle or chondritic sources of the Pt anomaly, it does not allow positive identification of the source. Circumstantial evidence such as very high, superchondritic Pt/Al ratios associated with the Pt anomaly and its timing, different from other major events recorded on the GISP2 ice core such as well-understood sulfate spikes caused by volcanic activity and the ammonium and nitrate spike due to the biomass destruction, hints for an extraterrestrial source of Pt. Such a source could have been a highly differentiated object like an Ir-poor iron meteorite that is unlikely to result in an airburst or trigger wide wildfires proposed by the YDB impact hypothesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture - Robin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Platinum levels rose about 100 times... http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2013/07/17/1303924110.DCSupplemental/pnas.201303924SI.pdf Evidence for deposition of 10 million tonnes of impact spherules across four continents 12,800 y ago, James H. Wittke et al, PNAS: Rich Murray 2013.05.22 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2013/05/evidence-for-deposition-of-10-million.html
