Re: [Vo]:Another attack on the constancy of the speed of light
I have the following argument which responds to your points I believe. Optional:* Argument why rotating frames must experience time distortion under SR:* *Firstly we can observe that if the linear velocity of the rim of a rotating disk would have the observer on that disk see a light clock in a stationary frame be seen to take an angled path rather than a direct path between the mirrors, then we must assume his time is accelerated to see the longer path be C , or at least it will seem to be to him compared to the stationary frame. And when is motion perfectly linear in practice?* Ok, so if a time contradiction (paradox) occurs between observers on the periphery of rotating disk and stationary observers, then this is very very different to the classic twin paradox. In the twin paradox the 2 observers are getting further apart, and as they do, there are issues with trying to compare their rates of time, but the main problem is that while the amount of time in discrepancy grows making the paradox grows, the issue of non-simultaneity at distance grows. These 2 grow in lock-step making us unable to use this as evidence against SR. But if we do this on a rotating frame, non-simultaneity has an upper bound that is quite small, and yet the amount of paradoxical time grows and grows to infinity if we do not end the experiment. Let each frame see 100 year pass in their frame and only 10 years or less for the other. How can this paradox exist when real time communication between the frames seems possible otherwise! Additionally what happens when it is ended? And another paradox exists, while always in view and appearing to be stationary, observers at zero and 180 degrees would actually be moving in opposite directions and expect great symmetrical time dilation, and while a light clock would 'appear' unaffected, we have established that if a time dilation exists between the stationary and rotating frame and a light clock in the center would always appear to be in view and unaffected in appearance then we know that we can't trust appearance if our view is changing. So the time dilation must be occurring at an even greater rate between opposite points on the rotating frame as the relative velocity is greater despite the fact that they can see each other. Other arguments that the opposite points on the disk would undergo time dilation relative each other, such as the time dilation changing from zero to huge based on subtle changes in motion (almost linear to perfectly linear to). John
Re: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
Hello Jones: There is an interesting CNT patent mentioned on ECat World. Carbon Nanotube Energy? New Patent Filed by Seldon Technologies Posted on February 28, 2014 by adminhttp://www.e-catworld.com/author/admin/* 30 Commentshttp://www.e-catworld.com/2014/02/carbon-nanotube-energy-new-patent-filed-by-seldon-technologies/#comments http://www.repost.us/article-preview/hash/11a8412d31aba3bdeb31cf1479f2481c/ Here's something that just came to my attention, and I haven't really had time to investigate it thoroughly, so I thought I'd put it up here for information and comment. It's a patent filed by Seldon Technologies, a Vermont company which works mainly in the field of water purification, and use carbon nanotubes in their filtration systems to make a product they call Nanomesh. Seldon seems to be branching out in their research and development endeavors, however, and have filed a patenthttps://www.google.com/patents/US20130266106?dq=ininventor:%22James+F.+Loan%22hl=ensa=Xei=0bMOU4nIJMyGogT-1YLoAgved=0CDUQ6AEwAAwhich deals with energy production titled Methods of generating energetic particles using nanotubes and articles thereof. The patent was published on October 10 2013. The abstract reads: There is disclosed a method of generating energetic particles, which comprises contacting nanotubes with a source of hydrogen isotopes, such as D2O, and applying activation energy to the nanotubes. In one embodiment, the hydrogen isotopes comprises protium, deuterium, tritium, and combinations thereof. There is also disclosed a method of transmuting matter that is based on the increased likelihood of nuclei interaction for atoms confined in the limited dimensions of a nanotube structure, which generates energetic particles sufficient to transmute matter and exposing matter to be transmuted to these particles. I can't find any reference to any product under development out there, but the application mentions some experiments done with carbon nanotubes in which neutron production 'above background levels' was measured. For example, in one experiment, a carbon nanotube electrode was submerged in a bath of deuterium, and after a voltage was passed through it, neutron bursts were recorded. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Another factor favoring CNT - as the containment mechanism for hydrogen in an alternative version of LENR (instead of a metal lattice) is the similarity to graphene in presence of electrons. There is every reason to suspect that CNT would support ballistic electrons at least as well as graphene. New paper. http://www.rdmag.com/news/2014/02/ballistic-transport-graphene-suggests-new-type-electronic-device *From:* Jones Beene Hi Kevin, I did include two variants of BEC- one is associated with Kim and one with Takahashi. Neither can adequately explain operation at elevated temperatures. This is a list that is continually evolving and I will include a 1D version in the next go-around. Jones *From:* Kevin O'Malley Thanks for posting this, Jones. It reminds me of an earlier post on Vortex that was a compilation of LENR theories but I cannot find it with the search engine nor even with google.
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
That's a nice cover. How did you make it? Frank -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1390339797sr=1-1 It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com) adapted to an Ebook. It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum energy in our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and the National Weather Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two branes of vacuum(6-D torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum stringing and streaming between them in the solar wind I started tracking low pressure systems off the equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and modeling them as if they were strings of vacuum, triggering hurricanes(entangled strings), waterspouts, sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the Earth) and ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering electromagnetic effects. These mesovortexes and supercells that break off the jet streams are basically topological defects of the cosmic strings of vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really the inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind. I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of the blog. The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think, based upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an increase in vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in sinkholes, shallow seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms in waters (through ionization and oxidation). If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking about at the atomic level and scale the vacuum energy up to the cosmic level, it sort of follows along. I am working with two professional researchers now and feeding them my data around the towers to see if they get the same results with some other biological data. In 1956 Doppler radars were taken from the military and used for weather forecasting. Although they do a lot of good, I think they are also damaging biology. I have had a lot of fun developing a theory and piecing it all together in whatever direction it takes me. As I have looked closely at doppler radars, I have been recently looking at all of the cruise ship illnesses with norovirus. I am looking at those large cruise ships and they have people partying on elevated decks directly beside and between multiple 20,000-30,000 watt pulsed Doppler microwave radars inside the large radomes. I think those radars may be triggering the illness outbreaks. If you are going on a cruise, I would advise not hanging out too close to them. My partner was a military pilot on an aircraft carrier and they NEVER walked close to operating radars. http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/02/26/does-this-seem-remotely-safe-to-anybody/ I have all sorts of scientific data I found from the 1990's on concerns with Doppler radars causing cancer and related disease. Norovirus is basically strands of RNA, I think the microwave radars, along with the increased vacuum, may be creating it FROM HUMANS. You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while drinking a Pina Colada?? Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: What book did you write? I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that count? I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can. -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Frank, I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that count? I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can. On Friday, February 28, 2014, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thanks Alan. I really still have a lot to learn. Its fun! Industrial products are the way to go. Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner. #5 false signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles. We shall see how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. I will video the operation. I hope it is not a fiasco. Next going to try my luck at #2 plastic detection. #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies. I already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector. I am going to try one of those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep infrared polarizer. heat source etched plate--- #2 plastic-etched
RE: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes would also lend support to your suspicion that he may be legit. He is in the correct industry and may have discovered a way to increase the defects thru self assembly that would surpass the random nature of the tubules approach. We know water molecules do some unique alignments when drawn thru a nano filter and we know multiwall nanotubes basically self assemble so perhaps he has married tubes to some geometric compound that naturally forms alternating geometries inside the nanotube..basically the Haisch- Modell tunnels but much smaller and self assembled. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:37 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper Prolific inventor, possibly in LENR: Christopher H. Cooper https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=ininventor:%22Christophe r+H.+Cooper%22 Is Chris legit ... or is he more of a patent troll? Over 200 hits and no known data or publications that I can find to back up the claims... at least the excess energy claims. No papers on LENR-CANR or elsewhere pop up on google. Here is why I ask - many of his filings are definitely LENR based, but there is not much evidence that any have been reduced to practice. Most of them seem to have been filed after the Rossi information about tubules or whatever it was. https://www.google.com/patents/US20110255644 However, he appears to be affiliated with a water filtration company, Seldon Technologies of Vermont, which seems to be a player in CNT filters - so it is quite possible that he stumbled onto the energy anomaly via other RD. I would love to see the data - if there is any. attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
Hi Kevin, Yes the is the same inventor I posted about yesterday- Christopher Cooper. Everyone interesting in this facet of LENR should look at the patent drawings and the simplicity of the claims. This should be a breeze to replicate - if there is anything to it. This situation begs for more information, but it looks like you were on that particular wavelength (as Van Morrison would opine). Yesterday - all indications seemed to be that Cooper's several patent applications were speculative, as opposed to reduced to practice. This is due to his lack of publications and lack of data - which can be explained by wanting to fly under the radar until the patent was granted (it has not been granted). Moreover, as suggested in that post, if one is in the business of CNT - which his company is - and one has read any of the LENR literature mentioning CNT, then there would have been no reason not to try it in a simple form, which seems to be the case. Then, one can cogently argue that if he tried CNT with heavy water and saw gain that is by definition reduced to practice. No argument there. And - on closer look, his application claims priority going back to 2005 so he is no newcomer to the field. I am stunned that he has not published or availed himself of expertise outside of his own skills - because of a major problem. The problem is that this alone may not be patentable, due to prior art - and yet he is using a light source for the input ! That pushes everything into another realm of very high importance, depending on other details. This could have been a huge breakthrough - except that Chris did not mention SPP implying that he probably does not know of the plasmon polariton mechanism. It's too late now even though applications can be altered and augmented (but one loses priority). That is too bad because otherwise he might have broad coverage. As it stands now, this disclosure is terribly deficient in prior art and looks unprofessional to an extent. Sadly, I think he will have very little IP coverage in the end, when he realizes what is to be found in prior art. But he came very close to a significant filing here. Too bad he chose to fly under the radar. That strategy almost never works out well. From: Kevin O'Malley Hello Jones: There is an interesting CNT patent mentioned on ECat World. Carbon Nanotube Energy? New Patent Filed by Seldon Technologies Posted on February 28, 2014 Jones Beene wrote: Another factor favoring CNT - as the containment mechanism for hydrogen in an alternative version of LENR (instead of a metal lattice) is the similarity to graphene in presence of electrons. There is every reason to suspect that CNT would support ballistic electrons at least as well as graphene. New paper. http://www.rdmag.com/news/2014/02/ballistic-transport-graphene-suggests-new- type-electronic-device From: Jones Beene Hi Kevin, I did include two variants of BEC- one is associated with Kim and one with Takahashi. Neither can adequately explain operation at elevated temperatures. attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Fran, This seems like a simple experiment to replicate, based on the patent disclosure. Go for it! Add magnets and a nearly coherent light source (sodium vapor bulb) and you are almost there. Instead of pure heavy water - 50/50 cost only a small fraction as much, and since it will probably produce tritium preferentially - all one needs to prove LENR is a Geiger type radiation monitor instead of an expensive helium monitor. This could essentially be pulled off by any high school student - assuming that Cooper is correct on the very low input requirement. _ From: Frank roarty Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes would also lend support to your suspicion that he may be legit. He is in the correct industry and may have discovered a way to increase the defects thru self assembly that would surpass the random nature of the tubules approach. We know water molecules do some unique alignments when drawn thru a nano filter and we know multiwall nanotubes basically self assemble so perhaps he has married tubes to some geometric compound that naturally forms alternating geometries inside the nanotube..basically the Haisch- Modell tunnels but much smaller and self assembled. Fran _ From: Jones Beene Prolific inventor, possibly in LENR: Christopher H. Cooper https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=ininventor:%22Christophe r+H.+Cooper%22 Is Chris legit ... or is he more of a patent troll? Over 200 hits and no known data or publications that I can find to back up the claims... at least the excess energy claims. No papers on LENR-CANR or elsewhere pop up on google. Here is why I ask - many of his filings are definitely LENR based, but there is not much evidence that any have been reduced to practice. Most of them seem to have been filed after the Rossi information about tubules or whatever it was. https://www.google.com/patents/US20110255644 However, he appears to be affiliated with a water filtration company, Seldon Technologies of Vermont, which seems to be a player in CNT filters - so it is quite possible that he stumbled onto the energy anomaly via other RD. I would love to see the data - if there is any. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
I am sorry, Terry, but some of you're assumptions are incorrect. There is no way to 'fork' a wallet. If you have a private key to a bitcoin address, then the only way to 'fork' that address is to copy it and give it to someone else. Not even the public key to a bitcoin address actually goes on the block chain until bitcoins, which have already been sent to that address, are then subsequently spent from that address. And the popular Bitcoin wallet used to be Bitcoin-qt, which also downloaded the entire block chain. It is the original software from which the Litecoin wallet is now compiled and running. Bitcoin users abandoned it about a year ago because the block chain became too large. Litecoin users will have to do the same if Litecoin becomes popular. Craig On 03/01/2014 01:58 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: I don't think litecoin will suffer the errors of bitcoin. With litecoin, the entire blockchain exists in every wallet. Mind you, this is a huge database and can take days to create a wallet unless you order the blockchain on DVD. Bitcoin only links resident coins to the blockchain along with the local code of the wallet. Forking will work with bitcoin; but, I don't see how it can work with litecoin. The other advantage of litecoin is transaction time. With the resident blockchain, transactions are almost instantaneous; whereas, bitcoin transactions can take up to an hour depending on market activity. Problem is, you can't buy much with litecoin, except bitcoin. :-)
[Vo]:You've been goxed
Neologism of the day: goxed It's kinda like madoffed in the large dollar amount, but a bit more sophisticated than the Ponzi con. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Madoffed IOW - when one is goxed, it's a bit like being scammed by an AI, at higher level of sophistication than the common street scam. Madoff's clients were not goxed, they were scammed. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
Jones Bob here-- You indicated the following: Chris did not mention SPP implying that he probably does not know of the plasmon polariton mechanism. It's too late now even though applications can be altered and augmented (but one loses priority). Has anyone you know mentioned SPP in a patent? Axil sure has talked about it and there may be others. Axil's EGO lecture last year that Peter Gluck posted was pretty descriptive in this regard. Axil has a little addition to the theory with his solariton particle, that may or should be included in a patent application. Fran may be interested as well as others. Fran's experiment needs a window to look for high magnetic fields also to get a better handle on the science.This may make it more expensive. Final question: Has Kim published anything about BEC with paired +spin/-spin particles that are in effect a Bose particle? For example paired electrons, an electron and a proton, paired muons, a muon and electron, a He-3 with a D, etc. I'm trying to think outside of Ed's box. Such paring may help explain the D flux-through- Ca oxide transmutations ( 2, 4, 8, OR 12 AMU) in the Japanese experiments several years ago. Maybe they have already explained the transmutation phenomena they observed, I do not know. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice Hi Kevin, Yes the is the same inventor I posted about yesterday- Christopher Cooper. Everyone interesting in this facet of LENR should look at the patent drawings and the simplicity of the claims. This should be a breeze to replicate - if there is anything to it. This situation begs for more information, but it looks like you were on that particular wavelength (as Van Morrison would opine). Yesterday - all indications seemed to be that Cooper's several patent applications were speculative, as opposed to reduced to practice. This is due to his lack of publications and lack of data - which can be explained by wanting to fly under the radar until the patent was granted (it has not been granted). Moreover, as suggested in that post, if one is in the business of CNT - which his company is - and one has read any of the LENR literature mentioning CNT, then there would have been no reason not to try it in a simple form, which seems to be the case. Then, one can cogently argue that if he tried CNT with heavy water and saw gain that is by definition reduced to practice. No argument there. And - on closer look, his application claims priority going back to 2005 so he is no newcomer to the field. I am stunned that he has not published or availed himself of expertise outside of his own skills - because of a major problem. The problem is that this alone may not be patentable, due to prior art - and yet he is using a light source for the input ! That pushes everything into another realm of very high importance, depending on other details. This could have been a huge breakthrough - except that Chris did not mention SPP implying that he probably does not know of the plasmon polariton mechanism. It's too late now even though applications can be altered and augmented (but one loses priority). That is too bad because otherwise he might have broad coverage. As it stands now, this disclosure is terribly deficient in prior art and looks unprofessional to an extent. Sadly, I think he will have very little IP coverage in the end, when he realizes what is to be found in prior art. But he came very close to a significant filing here. Too bad he chose to fly under the radar. That strategy almost never works out well. From: Kevin O'Malley Hello Jones: There is an interesting CNT patent mentioned on ECat World. Carbon Nanotube Energy? New Patent Filed by Seldon Technologies Posted on February 28, 2014 Jones Beene wrote: Another factor favoring CNT - as the containment mechanism for hydrogen in an alternative version of LENR (instead of a metal lattice) is the similarity to graphene in presence of electrons. There is every reason to suspect that CNT would support ballistic electrons at least as well as graphene. New paper. http://www.rdmag.com/news/2014/02/ballistic-transport-graphene-suggests-new- type-electronic-device From: Jones Beene Hi Kevin, I did include two variants of BEC- one is associated with Kim and one with Takahashi. Neither can adequately explain operation at elevated temperatures.
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Fran and Jones-- Maybe they make a thin substrate ( that H diffuses through, gouge out a line with a laser beam or electron beam, lay in the nanotubes and then make layers of the nanotube filled substrate film, sandwich these between good heat conductors with high magnetic susceptibility and finally fuse the assembly together in a plate-like array under temperature and pressure. That could do away with finding a geometric compound that naturally forms alternating geometries. Bob - Original Message - From: Frank roarty fr...@roarty.biz To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 6:37 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes would also lend support to your suspicion that he may be legit. He is in the correct industry and may have discovered a way to increase the defects thru self assembly that would surpass the random nature of the tubules approach. We know water molecules do some unique alignments when drawn thru a nano filter and we know multiwall nanotubes basically self assemble so perhaps he has married tubes to some geometric compound that naturally forms alternating geometries inside the nanotube..basically the Haisch- Modell tunnels but much smaller and self assembled. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:37 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper Prolific inventor, possibly in LENR: Christopher H. Cooper https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=ininventor:%22Christophe r+H.+Cooper%22 Is Chris legit ... or is he more of a patent troll? Over 200 hits and no known data or publications that I can find to back up the claims... at least the excess energy claims. No papers on LENR-CANR or elsewhere pop up on google. Here is why I ask - many of his filings are definitely LENR based, but there is not much evidence that any have been reduced to practice. Most of them seem to have been filed after the Rossi information about tubules or whatever it was. https://www.google.com/patents/US20110255644 However, he appears to be affiliated with a water filtration company, Seldon Technologies of Vermont, which seems to be a player in CNT filters - so it is quite possible that he stumbled onto the energy anomaly via other RD. I would love to see the data - if there is any.
RE: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones Bob here-- You indicated the following: Chris did not mention SPP implying that he probably does not know of the plasmon polariton mechanism. It's too late now even though applications can be altered and augmented (but one loses priority). Has anyone you know mentioned SPP in a patent? Yes but the first instance is not clear. See Egely: WO 2012164323 A3 https://www.google.com/patents/WO2012164323A3 But one cannot be the inventor of anything already known in prior art whether it is mentioned in a patent filing or in the scientific literature. Mention of SPP was made in the literature as far back as 1985. The first instance I can find on Vortex is from GJB in 2011: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg58521.html But I think the main credit for SPP in LENR goes to Julian Brown. I cannot find the exact paper but he is/was prolific. http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 This is an important point and it would be helpful to track it down, but I do not have time today. Jones
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
You can fork the wallet if you have total control over the generation of the wallet such as the exchanges did. You then hide the cloned wallet behind a firewall in which you control the gate. I think we will find that MtGox work involved insiders or at least those IT folks who ran their servers. Regardless, this will all come out in the end. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry, Terry, but some of you're assumptions are incorrect. There is no way to 'fork' a wallet. If you have a private key to a bitcoin address, then the only way to 'fork' that address is to copy it and give it to someone else. Not even the public key to a bitcoin address actually goes on the block chain until bitcoins, which have already been sent to that address, are then subsequently spent from that address. And the popular Bitcoin wallet used to be Bitcoin-qt, which also downloaded the entire block chain. It is the original software from which the Litecoin wallet is now compiled and running. Bitcoin users abandoned it about a year ago because the block chain became too large. Litecoin users will have to do the same if Litecoin becomes popular. Craig On 03/01/2014 01:58 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: I don't think litecoin will suffer the errors of bitcoin. With litecoin, the entire blockchain exists in every wallet. Mind you, this is a huge database and can take days to create a wallet unless you order the blockchain on DVD. Bitcoin only links resident coins to the blockchain along with the local code of the wallet. Forking will work with bitcoin; but, I don't see how it can work with litecoin. The other advantage of litecoin is transaction time. With the resident blockchain, transactions are almost instantaneous; whereas, bitcoin transactions can take up to an hour depending on market activity. Problem is, you can't buy much with litecoin, except bitcoin. :-)
Re: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
Jones-- Thanks. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:26 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones Bob here-- You indicated the following: Chris did not mention SPP implying that he probably does not know of the plasmon polariton mechanism. It's too late now even though applications can be altered and augmented (but one loses priority). Has anyone you know mentioned SPP in a patent? Yes but the first instance is not clear. See Egely: WO 2012164323 A3 https://www.google.com/patents/WO2012164323A3 But one cannot be the inventor of anything already known in prior art whether it is mentioned in a patent filing or in the scientific literature. Mention of SPP was made in the literature as far back as 1985. The first instance I can find on Vortex is from GJB in 2011: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg58521.html But I think the main credit for SPP in LENR goes to Julian Brown. I cannot find the exact paper but he is/was prolific. http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 This is an important point and it would be helpful to track it down, but I do not have time today. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
RE C. Cooper Hi, Found out a little bit about Chris Cooper. He was actually the founder of Seldon Technologies, which is based on his work with CNT's. He was trained in nuclear physics and may have a Ph., D. in it. He ( and maybe his father? William Cooper) have fairly recently written over a dozen patent apps, mostly on CNTs in various applications. The water purification technology, which is quite straightforward is described in this paper DeVolder M. et al 2013, Carbon nanotubes: Present and future commercial applications. Sci 339:534-9. I have been following various aspects of graphene for a little while for bionanotechnology apps, but mostly for the hell of it, but also always looking for its possible use as lattice materials, some of which was kindled by Jones' comments a while back on silicon carbide. Graphene can be made a number of ways, some of which involves splitting of carbon nanotubes to form ribbons, including tunable ones, 'armchair' and the like. It can also be made directly from silicon carbide (Peng et al 2013. Direct transformation of amorphous silicon carbide into graphene under low temperature and ambient pressure. Scientific reports 3(1148) FREE). Also they form Dirac cones which I gather, although I know nothing about them myself, are interesting. cheers, ken On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Fran and Jones-- Maybe they make a thin substrate ( that H diffuses through, gouge out a line with a laser beam or electron beam, lay in the nanotubes and then make layers of the nanotube filled substrate film, sandwich these between good heat conductors with high magnetic susceptibility and finally fuse the assembly together in a plate-like array under temperature and pressure. That could do away with finding a geometric compound that naturally forms alternating geometries. Bob - Original Message - From: Frank roarty fr...@roarty.biz To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 6:37 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes would also lend support to your suspicion that he may be legit. He is in the correct industry and may have discovered a way to increase the defects thru self assembly that would surpass the random nature of the tubules approach. We know water molecules do some unique alignments when drawn thru a nano filter and we know multiwall nanotubes basically self assemble so perhaps he has married tubes to some geometric compound that naturally forms alternating geometries inside the nanotube..basically the Haisch- Modell tunnels but much smaller and self assembled. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:37 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper Prolific inventor, possibly in LENR: Christopher H. Cooper https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq= ininventor:%22Christophe r+H.+Cooper%22 Is Chris legit ... or is he more of a patent troll? Over 200 hits and no known data or publications that I can find to back up the claims... at least the excess energy claims. No papers on LENR-CANR or elsewhere pop up on google. Here is why I ask - many of his filings are definitely LENR based, but there is not much evidence that any have been reduced to practice. Most of them seem to have been filed after the Rossi information about tubules or whatever it was. https://www.google.com/patents/US20110255644 However, he appears to be affiliated with a water filtration company, Seldon Technologies of Vermont, which seems to be a player in CNT filters - so it is quite possible that he stumbled onto the energy anomaly via other RD. I would love to see the data - if there is any.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
Here is Forbes' explanation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/investopedia/2014/02/28/bitcoin-mass-hysteria-the-disaster-that-brought-down-mt-gox/ The thief changed the transaction id and placed it ahead of MtGox's transaction and the thief then claimed the transaction never occurred according to this explanation.
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Ken-- Is Chris's grandfather Leon Cooper? The following excerpt is from Wikipedia regarding Cooper Pairs. n condensed matter physics, a Cooper pair or BCS pair is two electrons (or other fermions) that are bound together at low temperatures in a certain manner first described in 1956 by American physicist Leon Cooper.[1] Cooper showed that an arbitrarily small attraction between electrons in a metal can cause a paired state of electrons to have a lower energy than the Fermi energy, which implies that the pair is bound. In conventional superconductors, this attraction is due to the electron-phonon interaction. The Cooper pair state is responsible for superconductivity, as described in the BCS theory developed by John Bardeen, Leon Cooper, and John Schrieffer for which they shared the 1972 Nobel Prize.[2] Although Cooper pairing is a quantum effect, the reason for the pairing can be seen from a simplified classical explanation.[2][3] An electron in a metal normally behaves as a free particle. The electron is repelled from other electrons due to their negative charge, but it also attracts the positive ions that make up the rigid lattice of the metal. This attraction distorts the ion lattice, moving the ions slightly toward the electron, increasing the positive charge density of the lattice in the vicinity. This positive charge can attract other electrons. At long distances this attraction between electrons due to the displaced ions can overcome the electrons' repulsion due to their negative charge, and cause them to pair up. The rigorous quantum mechanical explanation shows that the effect is due to electron-phonon interactions. The energy of the pairing interaction is quite weak, of the order of 10?3eV, and thermal energy can easily break the pairs. So only at low temperatures a significant number of the electrons in a metal are in Cooper pairs. The electrons in a pair are not necessarily close together; because the interaction is long range, paired electrons may still be many hundreds of nanometers apart. This distance is usually greater than the average interelectron distance, so many Cooper pairs can occupy the same space.[4] Electrons have spin-1?2, so they are fermions, but a Cooper pair is a composite boson as its total spin is integer (0 or 1). This means the wave functions are symmetric under particle interchange, and they are allowed to be in the same state. The tendency for all the Cooper pairs in a body to 'condense' into the same ground quantum state is responsible for the peculiar properties of superconductivity. The BCS theory is also applicable to other fermion systems, such as helium-3. Indeed, Cooper pairing is responsible for the superfluidity of helium-3 at low temperatures. It has also been recently demonstrated that a Cooper pair can comprise two bosons.[5] Here the pairing is supported by entanglement in an optical lattice. Maybe the nanotubes support high temperature Cooper pairing. Bob - Original Message - From: Ken Deboer To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper RE C. Cooper Hi, Found out a little bit about Chris Cooper. He was actually the founder of Seldon Technologies, which is based on his work with CNT's. He was trained in nuclear physics and may have a Ph., D. in it. He ( and maybe his father? William Cooper) have fairly recently written over a dozen patent apps, mostly on CNTs in various applications. The water purification technology, which is quite straightforward is described in this paper DeVolder M. et al 2013, Carbon nanotubes: Present and future commercial applications. Sci 339:534-9. I have been following various aspects of graphene for a little while for bionanotechnology apps, but mostly for the hell of it, but also always looking for its possible use as lattice materials, some of which was kindled by Jones' comments a while back on silicon carbide. Graphene can be made a number of ways, some of which involves splitting of carbon nanotubes to form ribbons, including tunable ones, 'armchair' and the like. It can also be made directly from silicon carbide (Peng et al 2013. Direct transformation of amorphous silicon carbide into graphene under low temperature and ambient pressure. Scientific reports 3(1148) FREE). Also they form Dirac cones which I gather, although I know nothing about them myself, are interesting. cheers, ken On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Fran and Jones-- Maybe they make a thin substrate ( that H diffuses through, gouge out a line with a laser beam or electron beam, lay in the nanotubes and then make layers of the nanotube filled substrate film, sandwich these between good heat conductors with high magnetic susceptibility and finally fuse the assembly together in a plate-like array under temperature and pressure.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
Terry-- Sounds like a good idea for the thief--steal the bitcoins, destroy them and increase the worth of the ones you have in another exchange. The ones that remain may be worth a lot more, or maybe nothing. It will be interesting to see what happens to bitcoin mining activity. Bob - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing Here is Forbes' explanation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/investopedia/2014/02/28/bitcoin-mass-hysteria-the-disaster-that-brought-down-mt-gox/ The thief changed the transaction id and placed it ahead of MtGox's transaction and the thief then claimed the transaction never occurred according to this explanation.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
The Forbes article concludes: *The Bottom Line* Mt. Gox is an exchange created in the early days of Bitcoin that is run by inexperienced management. Its likely insolvency and seemingly imminent demise is something that has been long expected by many in the community, and while it is quite a tarnish on the industry to have the once largest exchange go under, Mt. Gox's demise does not point to the failure of Bitcoin, and the rest of the industry is eager to move past the Mt. Gox debacle. *Disclosure: The author owns some Bitcoin. . . .* This is the largest bank robbery in history. Countless people must have lost fortunes, perhaps their life savings. These people expect they can move past this event? That's crazy. Bank regulators and police investigators in Japan, the U.S. and all other countries are going to be all over these people from now on. There will be legislative investigations and new laws regulating them. I see the arrogance of youth at play here. Naivete mixed with know-it-all bravado. Mark Karpeles is in his 20s. He reminds me of young people in the 1960s who were out to remake the world. Wordsworth described such people in his poem about the French Revolution: Oh! pleasant exercise of hope and joy! For mighty were the auxiliars which then stood Upon our side, we who were strong in love! Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven!--Oh! times, In which the meagre, stale, forbidding ways Of custom, law, and statute, took at once The attraction of a country in romance! . . . Libertarians are, at heart, romantics. Especially the Ayn Rand ones who imagine themselves lone heros transcending their era and society, beyond the rules. They wanted money that was not controlled by governments. They wanted money that cannot be tracked or accounted for. They got it. They did not realize that you need governments to protect you against criminals and hackers. However imperfect this protection is, it beats no protection at all. Japanese government officials have already washed their hands of this, saying, these people wanted a totally unregulated system with no government oversight, so we have no plans to reimburse anyone for their losses. I am confident they will put in place regulations. The Wild West days are over. Be careful what you wish for. - Jed
[Vo]:Big step for next-generation fuel cells and electrolyzers
Big step for next-generation fuel cells and electrolyzers Date: February 27, 2014 Source: DOE/Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Summary: Researchers have discovered a highly promising new class of nanocatalysts for fuel cells and water-alkali electrolyzers that are an order of magnitude higher in activity than the target set by the US Department Of Energy for 2017. Share This -- - Email to a friend - Facebook - Twitter - Google+ - Print this page - More options -- These schematic illustrations and corresponding transmission electron microscope images show the evolution of platinum/nickel from polyhedra to dodecahedron nanoframes with platinum-enriched skin. *Credit: Image courtesy of DOE/Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory* [Click to enlarge image] A big step in the development of next-generation fuel cells and water-alkali electrolyzers has been achieved with the discovery of a new class of bimetallic nanocatalysts that are an order of magnitude higher in activity than the target set by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) for 2017. The new catalysts, hollow polyhedral nanoframes of platinum and nickel, feature a three-dimensional catalytic surface activity that makes them significantly more efficient and far less expensive than the best platinum catalysts used in today's fuel cells and alkaline electrolyzers. This research was a collaborative effort between DOE's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) and Argonne National Laboratory (ANL). We report the synthesis of a highly active and durable class of electrocatalysts by exploiting the structural evolution of platinum/nickel bimetallic nanocrystals, says Peidong Yang, a chemist with Berkeley Lab's Materials Sciences Division, who led the discovery of these new catalysts. Our catalysts feature a unique hollow nanoframe structure with three-dimensional platinum-rich surfaces accessible for catalytic reactions. By greatly reducing the amount of platinum needed for oxygen reduction and hydrogen evolution reactions, our new class of nanocatalysts should lead to the design of next-generation catalysts with greatly reduced cost but significantly enhanced activities. Yang, who also holds appointments with the University of California (UC) Berkeley and the Kavli Energy NanoSciences Institute at Berkeley, is one of the corresponding authors of a paper in *Science *that describes this research. The paper is titled Highly Crystalline Multimetallic Nanoframes with Three-Dimensional Electrocatalytic Surfaces. The other corresponding author is Vojislav Stamenkovic, a chemist with ANL's Materials Science Division, who led the testing of this new class of electrocatalysts. Fuel cells and electrolyzers can help meet the ever-increasing demands for electrical power while substantially reducing the emission of carbon and other atmospheric pollutants. These technologies are based on either the oxygen reduction reaction (fuel cells), or the hydrogen evolution reaction (electrolyzers). Currently, the best electrocatalyst for both reactions consists of platinum nanoparticles dispersed on carbon. Though quite effective, the high cost and limited availability of platinum makes large-scale use of this approach a major challenge for both stationary and portable electrochemical applications. Intense research efforts have been focused on developing high-performance electrocatalysts with minimal precious metal content and cost, Yang says. In an earlier study, the ANL scientists showed that forming a nano-segregated platinum skin over a bulk single-crystal platinum/nickel alloy enhances catalytic activity but the materials cannot be easily integrated into electrochemical devices. We needed to be able to reproduce the outstanding catalytic performance of these materials in nanoparticulates that offered high surface areas. Yang and his colleagues at Berkeley accomplished this by transforming solid polyhedral bimetallic nanoparticles of platinum and nickel into hollow nanoframes. The solid polyhedral nanoparticles are synthesized in the reagent oleylamine, then soaked in a solvent, such as hexane or chloroform, for either two weeks at room temperature, or for 12 hours at 120 degrees Celsius. The solvent, with its dissolved oxygen, causes a natural interior erosion to take place that results in a hollow dodecahedron nanoframe. Annealing these dodecahedron nanoframes in argon gas creates a platinum skin on the nanoframe surfaces. In contrast to other synthesis procedures for hollow nanostructures that involve corrosion induced by harsh oxidizing agents or applied potential, our method proceeds spontaneously in air, Yang says. The open structure of our platinum/nickel nanoframes addresses some of the major design criteria for advanced nanoscale electrocatalysts, including, high surface-to-volume ratio, 3-D surface molecular accessibility, and significantly reduced precious
Re: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
Jones-- Brown's 2007 item you refer to below is close to my first impression of what was happening back in 1989 in the P-F experiment. An excerpt from Brown's paper is included below: Enhanced low energy fusion rate in palladium (Pd) due to vibrational deuteron dipole-dipole interactions and associated resonant tunneling that over-cancels the Jastrow factor between deuteron pair wavefunctions J.S.Brown (Submitted on 12 Nov 2007) We show that interstitial hydrogen nuclei on a metallic lattice are strongly coupled to their near neighbors by the unscreened electromagnetic field mediating transitions between low-lying states. We then show that in almost-stoichiometric PdD clusters, in which most interstitial sites are occupied by a deuteron, certain specific superpositions of many-site product states exist that are lower in energy than the single-site ground state, suggesting the existence of a new low temperature phase. The modified behaviour of the two-particle wavefunction at small separations is investigated and prelimary results suggesting an over-canceling of the effective Coulomb barrier are presented. I concluded that it was not unlikely that 2 D could occupy the same lattice position inside the Pd face center cubic array and pair up in the magnetic field that existed as an internal B field with high + and - spin states (a virtual helium nucleus) and decay to a ground state--stable helium--with distribution of the spin energy to the electronic structure of the Pd lattice. I was not aware of the idea of Cooper pairs of electrons in 1989. I think I even wrote this down. I need to better understand the coupling that Brown refers to regarding the pair of D particles. It will be interesting to see whether he has the magnetic field represented in the coupling expression. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:26 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones Bob here-- You indicated the following: Chris did not mention SPP implying that he probably does not know of the plasmon polariton mechanism. It's too late now even though applications can be altered and augmented (but one loses priority). Has anyone you know mentioned SPP in a patent? Yes but the first instance is not clear. See Egely: WO 2012164323 A3 https://www.google.com/patents/WO2012164323A3 But one cannot be the inventor of anything already known in prior art whether it is mentioned in a patent filing or in the scientific literature. Mention of SPP was made in the literature as far back as 1985. The first instance I can find on Vortex is from GJB in 2011: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg58521.html But I think the main credit for SPP in LENR goes to Julian Brown. I cannot find the exact paper but he is/was prolific. http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 This is an important point and it would be helpful to track it down, but I do not have time today. Jones
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
On 03/01/2014 02:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is the largest bank robbery in history. Countless people must have lost fortunes, perhaps their life savings. These people expect they can move past this event? That's crazy. Bank regulators and police investigators in Japan, the U.S. and all other countries are going to be all over these people from now on. There will be legislative investigations and new laws regulating them. I think what a lot of people are missing, is that the people who have been using MtGox, are people who had accounts set up there from over a year ago. [They are the 'old-timers' of Bitcoin, because in the Bitcoin world, a month is an eternity]. Here are a couple of points that have probably been missed, and they apply to most of the people who've used MtGox, because no one can speak for everyone. 1) MtGox has been delaying withdrawals now for over 6 months. So, for the past 6 months, just about everyone knew that they were having liquidity problems, and rumors were wide that MtGox would probably go under. Yet, for the past 6 months, anyone could take money out of MtGox who wanted to. They just had to wait a few weeks. 2) Most of the people who continued to trade on MtGox were doing so with the knowledge that MtGox was having liquidity problems and might go under. The incentive to continue trading with MtGox, was the profit that could be made through the arbitrage opportunity that this presented. 3) The 744,000 coins that MtGox lost, were, (far more than likely), made back in 2010 and 2011 when MtGox sold Bitcoins for pennies each. They didn't lose $500 million in active accounts, but rather, coins which were backing up accounts of those who have been trading at MtGox with the risks understood, or of those accounts which were set up in days gone by, but abandoned long ago when Bitcoin was thought to be worthless. Personally, I don't think very many people lost a lot of money at MtGox, who didn't intentionally take those risks in recent months. The older accounts had long been forgotten. MtGox has also made several mistakes in the past two years which have turned a lot of their strongest supporters against them. They say things which demonstrate incompetence, or which do not make sense. A few things here: 1) They rewrote code designed to send transactions to the block chain, to accommodate their own needs, without adequate understanding and testing. This resulted in a loss in October 2011 of several thousand bitcoins when they incorrectly created a transaction, in error, which sent the bitcoins into oblivion. 2) They had $10 million in USD seized by the US government earlier this year, when they were operating as an exchange in the US without registering with Fincen and securing the required money transmitter licenses. 3) The transaction malleability anomaly which they are blaming for having lost the 744,000 is almost unbelievable. They are claiming that transactions which they submitted to the block chain were modified by a third party in such a way that DID NOTHING to prevent the transactions from being placed on the block chain, but rather only modified the transaction ID, such that their own software would then automatically try to resend the bitcoins when it could not identify the transaction on the block chain, by its ID. Again, for about two years, people have known that the transaction ID does not represent the absolute identity of the transaction. They should have indexed and used any of the inputs from their transactions as identifiers, as does everyone else. 4) They claimed that most of these 744,000 coins were in cold storage. Well, if they were in cold storage, then someone would have had to physically remove them from cold storage to create transactions with them, to then subsequently transfer them. If this was even possible, then those coins were never in cold storage, or they don't know what the term means. I don't think very many Bitcoin aficionados, (if any), are taking a loss with this. Craig
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
Jed, I think you nailed it. However, I should like to add that the way our government handles our dollars (or Euros or . . ) gives incentive for the Bitcoin type ventures. Examples are obvious but bail outs of too large to fail, inflation not counting food, etc. etc. Just like the French revolution it was a legitimate protest just the means were less than smart and the negative infliction of the revolution was causing as much harm as the problem it set out to solve. I think we are at the same junction. A growing irritation over manipulation by those set to protect us. Government does not see there first task to protect the people, they see themselves as protector of the society - status quo. (as did Louis once upon a time) I think that a smart government should support building of a bitcoin venture and provide the expertise required then they probably would support LENR as well.:) Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort. PJM On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The Forbes article concludes: *The Bottom Line* Mt. Gox is an exchange created in the early days of Bitcoin that is run by inexperienced management. Its likely insolvency and seemingly imminent demise is something that has been long expected by many in the community, and while it is quite a tarnish on the industry to have the once largest exchange go under, Mt. Gox's demise does not point to the failure of Bitcoin, and the rest of the industry is eager to move past the Mt. Gox debacle. *Disclosure: The author owns some Bitcoin. . . .* This is the largest bank robbery in history. Countless people must have lost fortunes, perhaps their life savings. These people expect they can move past this event? That's crazy. Bank regulators and police investigators in Japan, the U.S. and all other countries are going to be all over these people from now on. There will be legislative investigations and new laws regulating them. I see the arrogance of youth at play here. Naivete mixed with know-it-all bravado. Mark Karpeles is in his 20s. He reminds me of young people in the 1960s who were out to remake the world. Wordsworth described such people in his poem about the French Revolution: Oh! pleasant exercise of hope and joy! For mighty were the auxiliars which then stood Upon our side, we who were strong in love! Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven!--Oh! times, In which the meagre, stale, forbidding ways Of custom, law, and statute, took at once The attraction of a country in romance! . . . Libertarians are, at heart, romantics. Especially the Ayn Rand ones who imagine themselves lone heros transcending their era and society, beyond the rules. They wanted money that was not controlled by governments. They wanted money that cannot be tracked or accounted for. They got it. They did not realize that you need governments to protect you against criminals and hackers. However imperfect this protection is, it beats no protection at all. Japanese government officials have already washed their hands of this, saying, these people wanted a totally unregulated system with no government oversight, so we have no plans to reimburse anyone for their losses. I am confident they will put in place regulations. The Wild West days are over. Be careful what you wish for. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
If an attempt is made to regulate cryptocurrencies themselves (ie: the proof of work type transmission/public ledger systems upon which all cryptocurrencies are based) in addition to the financial services atop them, it will simply drive more of the economy underground. The main problem with the exchanges is that they are prone to centralization via the network effect. That's what made MtGox dominant and such a juicy target for underworld agencies -- including clandestine sovereign agencies. What I expect to happen next is a new cryptocurrency protocol will be put in place that distributes the network effect along with the underlying cryptocurrency protocol. At that point it is going to be impossible to regulate without driving ever more of the cyber economy underground and expanding the black markets. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.comwrote: Jed, I think you nailed it. However, I should like to add that the way our government handles our dollars (or Euros or . . ) gives incentive for the Bitcoin type ventures. Examples are obvious but bail outs of too large to fail, inflation not counting food, etc. etc. Just like the French revolution it was a legitimate protest just the means were less than smart and the negative infliction of the revolution was causing as much harm as the problem it set out to solve. I think we are at the same junction. A growing irritation over manipulation by those set to protect us. Government does not see there first task to protect the people, they see themselves as protector of the society - status quo. (as did Louis once upon a time) I think that a smart government should support building of a bitcoin venture and provide the expertise required then they probably would support LENR as well.:) Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort. PJM On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: The Forbes article concludes: *The Bottom Line* Mt. Gox is an exchange created in the early days of Bitcoin that is run by inexperienced management. Its likely insolvency and seemingly imminent demise is something that has been long expected by many in the community, and while it is quite a tarnish on the industry to have the once largest exchange go under, Mt. Gox's demise does not point to the failure of Bitcoin, and the rest of the industry is eager to move past the Mt. Gox debacle. *Disclosure: The author owns some Bitcoin. . . .* This is the largest bank robbery in history. Countless people must have lost fortunes, perhaps their life savings. These people expect they can move past this event? That's crazy. Bank regulators and police investigators in Japan, the U.S. and all other countries are going to be all over these people from now on. There will be legislative investigations and new laws regulating them. I see the arrogance of youth at play here. Naivete mixed with know-it-all bravado. Mark Karpeles is in his 20s. He reminds me of young people in the 1960s who were out to remake the world. Wordsworth described such people in his poem about the French Revolution: Oh! pleasant exercise of hope and joy! For mighty were the auxiliars which then stood Upon our side, we who were strong in love! Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven!--Oh! times, In which the meagre, stale, forbidding ways Of custom, law, and statute, took at once The attraction of a country in romance! . . . Libertarians are, at heart, romantics. Especially the Ayn Rand ones who imagine themselves lone heros transcending their era and society, beyond the rules. They wanted money that was not controlled by governments. They wanted money that cannot be tracked or accounted for. They got it. They did not realize that you need governments to protect you against criminals and hackers. However imperfect this protection is, it beats no protection at all. Japanese government officials have already washed their hands of this, saying, these people wanted a totally unregulated system with no government oversight, so we have no plans to reimburse anyone for their losses. I am confident they will put in place regulations. The Wild West days are over. Be careful what you wish for. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Wouldn't that lend itself to corroborating Ed Storms's theories about cracks the NAE? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Frank roarty fr...@roarty.biz wrote: Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes
RE: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
It's unlikely that many observers have doubted the basic hypothesis of geometrically active zones. There is much agreement on that. The practical problem is that without nanotubes, optimum geometry is very hard to engineer in a stable and consistent form over time. Metals are ductile and nano features are easily lost - whereas carbon nanotubes are incredibly strong. Huge advantage is found in CNT over cracks in a metal lattice. From: Kevin O'Malley Wouldn't that lend itself to corroborating Ed Storms's theories about cracks the NAE? Frank roarty wrote: Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
Mark Karpeles interviewed in a chat, using the handle MagicalTux: [12:01] MagicalTux ... any BTC I own personally were on MtGox [12:02] JonWickedFire How much did you lose yourself? [12:04] MagicalTux Well, technically speaking it's not lost just yet, just temporarily unavailable http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682 Heh... whatever he's talking about here makes far more sense than saying that 744,000 bitcoins were stolen from cold storage, over a term of years, without anyone noticing. I don't think we've heard the true story yet. Craig
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
Mark Karpeles interviewed in a chat, using the handle MagicalTux: [12:01] MagicalTux ... any BTC I own personally were on MtGox [12:02] JonWickedFire How much did you lose yourself? [12:04] MagicalTux Well, technically speaking it's not lost just yet, just temporarily unavailable http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682 Heh... whatever he's talking about here makes far more sense than saying that 744,000 bitcoins were stolen from cold storage, over a term of years, without anyone noticing. I don't think we've heard the true story yet. Craig
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Nice thought Kevin. Chris and I collaborated to see if CNT were nuclear active. They were not, at least when using our methods. I suspect the conditions in the tube are not correct to form the Hydroton. As is typical, the situation in the chemical structure is more complex than expected. No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: Wouldn't that lend itself to corroborating Ed Storms's theories about cracks the NAE? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Frank roarty fr...@roarty.biz wrote: Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: What I expect to happen next is a new cryptocurrency protocol will be put in place that distributes the network effect along with the underlying cryptocurrency protocol. So not only will be it be God-knows-what algorithm, it will be stored God-only-knows where. My guess? The servers will all be found in Russia. Bitcoin was developed by a person (or group of people) named Satoshi Nakamoto. No one has met him. It is probably a pseudonym. I suppose the code is in the public domain, but seriously, why would anyone trust a system developed by someone who wants to remain anonymous?!? It seems like the extreme opposite of what you look for when you want to entrust large sums of money to an institution. At that point it is going to be impossible to regulate without driving ever more of the cyber economy underground and expanding the black markets. So, more fools will parted from their money. If people want to put their money into fake banks, or cash stored under the mattress, that's their business. As long as they do not demand the government reimburse them it is okay with me. You can also cut out the middleman, go to a Los Vegas casino, and hand your money to the criminals directly. There are plenty of ways to throw away money, hide money, or evade taxes already. I don't see why we need a new one. This does not seem to be more of a threat to the establishment than previous versions. It does seem to be more idiotic than most Ponzi schemes. It has set a new record for bank robbery, as I said. It combines the greater fool theory with amateur, do-it-yourself banking and cybersecurity, and the most tempting target for criminals ever devised: huge sums of money that no one can trace. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
From: Edmund Storms Nice thought Kevin. Chris and I collaborated to see if CNT were nuclear active. They were not, at least when using our methods. I suspect the conditions in the tube are not correct to form the Hydroton. Well, it is good to know that you and Chris collaborated, but not so good to learn that his technique may not work, as claimed. Can you describe what methods were used? Did you use a coherent or nearly coherent light source? Without a source of coherent light, SPP are unlikely to form. Jones
Re: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
Jones and Fran-- Brown in the paper cited does NOT include the effect of magnetic fields. This omission would seem to be relative to one of his conclusions which follows from the paper: The intrinsic complexity of this exact method and the inapplicablity of a per- turbative approach have so far confounded our attempts to establish a lower bound on the absolute minimum site energy. It follows from the variational principle that inclusion of higher |s, n) states, as well as further increase in pla- quette size, will result in even lower minimum energies. A mean-field approach is perhaps indicated, but we have as yet to find a sufficiently accurate formula- tion. It is nevertheless already clear from the above data that entangled states are favoured in the stoichiometric regime. The existence of a low temperature phase in which all the deuterons cohere in a mesoscopically entangled state is hence strongly indicated. He suggests the inclusion of higher Spin--s--,n states will make reactions possible at lower energy input to the system. The math may be very hard to do the magnetic field/spin coupling? Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:26 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones Bob here-- You indicated the following: Chris did not mention SPP implying that he probably does not know of the plasmon polariton mechanism. It's too late now even though applications can be altered and augmented (but one loses priority). Has anyone you know mentioned SPP in a patent? Yes but the first instance is not clear. See Egely: WO 2012164323 A3 https://www.google.com/patents/WO2012164323A3 But one cannot be the inventor of anything already known in prior art whether it is mentioned in a patent filing or in the scientific literature. Mention of SPP was made in the literature as far back as 1985. The first instance I can find on Vortex is from GJB in 2011: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg58521.html But I think the main credit for SPP in LENR goes to Julian Brown. I cannot find the exact paper but he is/was prolific. http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 This is an important point and it would be helpful to track it down, but I do not have time today. Jones
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
Just to be clear... On 03/01/2014 04:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com mailto:jabow...@gmail.com wrote: What I expect to happen next is a new cryptocurrency protocol will be put in place that distributes the network effect along with the underlying cryptocurrency protocol. So not only will be it be God-knows-what algorithm, it will be stored God-only-knows where. My guess? The servers will all be found in Russia. You realize that the servers running the bitcoin network exist everywhere, right? There are hundreds of thousands of them. And that the entire bitcoin project is open-source? All the code is available for everyone to review, modify, and run? So distributed networks use algorithms which are known-by-all, running everywhere. Bitcoin was developed by a person (or group of people) named Satoshi Nakamoto. No one has met him. It is probably a pseudonym. I suppose the code is in the public domain, but seriously, why would anyone trust a system developed by someone who wants to remain anonymous?!? It seems like the extreme opposite of what you look for when you want to entrust large sums of money to an institution. There's no reason to trust Satoshi Nakamoto. It doesn't matter who he is, or what his character is like; for the same reason it would not matter who Jonas Salk was, or what his character was like, or whether you could trust him. Bitcoin is trusted for the same reason that Salk's vaccine is trusted -- because it presents a solution to a problem. It's the open source solution that's trusted; not the man. Craig
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: What I expect to happen next is a new cryptocurrency protocol will be put in place that distributes the network effect along with the underlying cryptocurrency protocol. So not only will be it be God-knows-what algorithm, it will be stored God-only-knows where. My guess? The servers will all be found in Russia. You misunderstand the nature of the cryptocurrency public ledger perhaps because you don't understand the word distributes in this context. There would be no servers at all. The public ledger of a cryptocurrency is not resident anywhere. It is replicated everywhere. That's what I mean by distributed. Likewise, the bids/asks of a distribute exchange would be replicated everywhere and resident nowhere, with a similar public ledger backed by proof of work. The cyptocurrency public ledger system follows what I called The Primary Discipline when I was designing the network architecture of the first electronic newspaper for the Knight Ridder chain of newspapers in 1981 and was responsible for the cryptographic electronic commerce programming of the terminals: The terminal is the host computer nearest the user. In other words, the primary discipline I declared way back then was that there were to be no fundamental distinctions between personal computers (at that time, terminals were in a position to supplant the entire PC era because they had microprocessors in them and we were attempting to jumpstart the Internet 15 years earlier) and servers. The TCP/UDP protocol actually allowed for this but, not the first web browsers, unfortunately. With some of the newer web browsers, however, we're starting to see what is called P2P or peer to peer communications protocols put in place -- so many some of the damage done by the initial WWW browsers will be undone.
Re: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
Jones-- Refeerences used in Brown's 2007 paper are as follows: [1] G. Kurizki, A. Kofman, V.Yudson, Phys. Rev. A53 R35-R38 (1996). [2] J.Brown, arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0608292 [3] H.Krimmel, L. Schimmele, C. Els¨asser, M. F¨ahnle, J.Phys. Condens. Matt. 6 7679-7704 (1994). [4] M.Dyer,C.Zhang,A.Alavi, ChemPhysChem 6, 1711-1715 (2005). [5] M.Puska, R.Nieminen, Phys. Rev. B29, 5382-5397 (1984). Note the oldest was 1984. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:26 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones Bob here-- You indicated the following: Chris did not mention SPP implying that he probably does not know of the plasmon polariton mechanism. It's too late now even though applications can be altered and augmented (but one loses priority). Has anyone you know mentioned SPP in a patent? Yes but the first instance is not clear. See Egely: WO 2012164323 A3 https://www.google.com/patents/WO2012164323A3 But one cannot be the inventor of anything already known in prior art whether it is mentioned in a patent filing or in the scientific literature. Mention of SPP was made in the literature as far back as 1985. The first instance I can find on Vortex is from GJB in 2011: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg58521.html But I think the main credit for SPP in LENR goes to Julian Brown. I cannot find the exact paper but he is/was prolific. http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 This is an important point and it would be helpful to track it down, but I do not have time today. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
As I have posted repeatedly, the key to developing an active and very strong reaction is to provide a wide range of micro/nanoparticle sizes. This requirement comes from nanoplasmonic doctrine. A single sized particle does not work. For example, in the open source high school reactor (cop = 4) that does work, the design calls for a tungsten particle collection of varying diameters. The 5 micron micro-particles coated with nanowire is important in feeding power into the aggregation of smaller nanoparticles. This is how Rossi's secret sauce fits in. Potassium nanoparticles provide and intermediate sized particle population to the particle ensembles. Hydrogen provides the smallest particle population. When there are particles of varying size clump together, and alight on the nickel nanowires, strong dipole motion in the micro particles drive the reactions in the spaces between the hydrogen nanoparticles. The bigger particles act like step-up windings in a high voltage transformer as power is feed to the smallest particles. If a single diameter sized nanoparticle is used, the reaction will not work. If only nanoparticles are use in the reaction, the reaction will not be strong. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Nice thought Kevin. Chris and I collaborated to see if CNT were nuclear active. They were not, at least when using our methods. I suspect the conditions in the tube are not correct to form the Hydroton. As is typical, the situation in the chemical structure is more complex than expected. No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: Wouldn't that lend itself to corroborating Ed Storms's theories about cracks the NAE? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Frank roarty fr...@roarty.biz wrote: Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: Bitcoin is trusted for the same reason that Salk's vaccine is trusted -- because it presents a solution to a problem. It's the open source solution that's trusted; not the man. Ummm . . . You do realize it failed catastrophically? There are 12.5 million bitcoins in circulation. 0.8 million of them were stolen, and are now presumably in the hands of criminals. That cannot inspire confidence or stability. What other banking system is known to be 1/13 controlled by criminals? If this is a solution that is trusted, I would hate to see a dodgy one. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: It does seem to be more idiotic than most Ponzi schemes. It has set a new record for bank robbery, as I said. It combines the greater fool theory with amateur, do-it-yourself banking and cybersecurity, and the most tempting target for criminals ever devised: huge sums of money that no one can trace. I think the robbery conclusion is premature. Everyone is still scratching their heads, wondering what happened. This is because important information has been withheld by Mt. Gox and some hand-waving provided instead. Eventually what actually happened will come to light, and the question of tracing who was involved, what they did and how they did it will become tractable. The main foolishing thing that third parties did in this instance was to entrust Mt. Gox with so much money; those same people are now dependent upon Mt. Gox giving sufficient information on what happened to make sense of things. No doubt they were nearly all of them speculators in the midst of a speculation frenzy. It is still the wild west. I can only assume that checks and balances will be put in place to limit this kind of vulnerability in the future, if only to keep cryptocurrencies viable. This will all be independent of government regulation (I say this as someone who is a fan of smart government regulation); government attempts to regulate what are fundamentally decentralized currencies will face the same challenges they face trying to regulate the drug trade or the Internet. There are surely pressure points, but it's also a game of whack-a-mole. I am not an advocate for bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. But I think it's a mistake to underestimate the impact of this new development or to extrapolate too far from a single data point. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Jones-- We may have to wait for Ed's book. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:20 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper From: Edmund Storms Nice thought Kevin. Chris and I collaborated to see if CNT were nuclear active. They were not, at least when using our methods. I suspect the conditions in the tube are not correct to form the Hydroton. Well, it is good to know that you and Chris collaborated, but not so good to learn that his technique may not work, as claimed. Can you describe what methods were used? Did you use a coherent or nearly coherent light source? Without a source of coherent light, SPP are unlikely to form. Jones
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
I should have said: What other banking system ASSETS ARE known to be 1/13 controlled by criminals? It is like Las Vegas in the 1970s, or Atlantic City during the Prohibition. The criminals are not officially in control, although in the case of Mt. Gox they sure were. I would not bet that an unorganized bunch of open-source libertarian programmers can outwit the Russian Mafia. I have converted LENR-CANR.org to open source WordPress software. I agree it has a broad range of capabilities, but it is amateur and full of holes. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
On 03/01/2014 04:52 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: Bitcoin is trusted for the same reason that Salk's vaccine is trusted -- because it presents a solution to a problem. It's the open source solution that's trusted; not the man. Ummm . . . You do realize it failed catastrophically? Excuse me?? Heh, failure is the last thing that crossed my mind. :) Funny you believe otherwise. Bitcoin is, and will continue to become, a revolutionary success. The number of businesses accepting Bitcoin are growing at about 10% per month. Borders are opening up as people are now able to trade with each other without the expensive exchange rate tax, which every merchant in every third-world country experiences when he tries to compete with countries which do not want his government's currency. No longer need people be burdened by expensive transaction fees which can cost upwards of $50, and a day's time, to send money to some other part of the world. Bitcoin will be to money, what email is to the telephone, and what the telephone is to mail: Revolutionary! Craig
RE: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
BTW - Julian Brown, aka JS Brown, aka J Brown is a top Oxford physicist, who was very interested in LENR before going over the European Patent Office (EPO). All of papers on arXiv are worth rereading. Unlike the USPTO - patents mentioning LENR are allowed in Europe, probably due to Brown's influence. -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones-- Refeerences used in Brown's 2007 paper are as follows: [1] G. Kurizki, A. Kofman, V.Yudson, Phys. Rev. A53 R35-R38 (1996). [2] J.Brown, arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0608292 [3] H.Krimmel, L. Schimmele, C. Els¨asser, M. F¨ahnle, J.Phys. Condens. Matt. 6 7679-7704 (1994). [4] M.Dyer,C.Zhang,A.Alavi, ChemPhysChem 6, 1711-1715 (2005). [5] M.Puska, R.Nieminen, Phys. Rev. B29, 5382-5397 (1984). Note the oldest was 1984.
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Ed-- Regarding your comment copied from below--No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. --I agree. However, you seem to always take on a discussion to find the cause of the reaction considering basic physical parameters that you seem to recognize as real. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper As I have posted repeatedly, the key to developing an active and very strong reaction is to provide a wide range of micro/nanoparticle sizes. This requirement comes from nanoplasmonic doctrine. A single sized particle does not work. For example, in the open source high school reactor (cop = 4) that does work, the design calls for a tungsten particle collection of varying diameters. The 5 micron micro-particles coated with nanowire is important in feeding power into the aggregation of smaller nanoparticles. This is how Rossi's secret sauce fits in. Potassium nanoparticles provide and intermediate sized particle population to the particle ensembles. Hydrogen provides the smallest particle population. When there are particles of varying size clump together, and alight on the nickel nanowires, strong dipole motion in the micro particles drive the reactions in the spaces between the hydrogen nanoparticles. The bigger particles act like step-up windings in a high voltage transformer as power is feed to the smallest particles. If a single diameter sized nanoparticle is used, the reaction will not work. If only nanoparticles are use in the reaction, the reaction will not be strong. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Nice thought Kevin. Chris and I collaborated to see if CNT were nuclear active. They were not, at least when using our methods. I suspect the conditions in the tube are not correct to form the Hydroton. As is typical, the situation in the chemical structure is more complex than expected. No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: Wouldn't that lend itself to corroborating Ed Storms's theories about cracks the NAE? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Frank roarty fr...@roarty.biz wrote: Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: Borders are opening up as people are now able to trade with each other without the expensive exchange rate tax, which every merchant in every third-world country experiences when he tries to compete with countries which do not want his government's currency. Surely we can find a solution to that problem that does not involve a ponzi-scheme currency that fluctuates in value by hundreds of dollars a day, and that is wide open to the largest theft in the history of banking. No longer need people be burdened by expensive transaction fees which can cost upwards of $50, and a day's time, to send money to some other part of the world. I often buy things in Japan with a credit card, such as books from Amazon.com Japan. It takes no time at all. It is no different from buying things from a U.S. vendor. The bank charges a little extra for the currency conversion. You can send money to people in Japan with PayPal, I believe. Maybe this is not an option in the third world, but I suppose it could be. I have seen web sites in Guatemala recently that take credit cards. I will grant, buying with a credit card is not an anonymous, untraceable transaction. I know that libertarians and drug dealers want it it be anonymous and untraceable, but I don't care about that, and I suppose most people do not care. Bitcoin will be to money, what email is to the telephone, and what the telephone is to mail: Revolutionary! Bitcoin is to the telephone as the burner throw-away cell phones are to regular cell phones: an ideal way to conduct criminal activities. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt any exchanges were involved in Silk Road assets. The advantage of VCs is that you can make transactions between individuals without any bank or exchange involved. Silk Road held their assets in their own wallet. When busted by the FBI, it took that agency several days to access the wallet information. Silk Road may have had their assets in their own wallet. But they were just intermediaries for the people selling the drugs. Those people all had bitcoin as well. They could no doubt have kept their proceeds in their own wallets as well. But it seems to me that in order for them to do anything with their proceeds, they would eventually have to exchange it with people who were willing to accept it in return for something else (e.g., cash). To do that, they would either have to go back to an exchange or find a counterparty willing to deal with them in private. I'm guessing that their confidence in their anonymity and their desire to seem like normal folk doing normal things with their bitcoin would have led them back to the exchanges. And Mt. Gox was the biggest at one point. Eric
Re: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice
Jones-- Too bad we do not have a similar presence in the US Patent Office. We may have been the leaders in LENR. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Dirty Dozen Basic routes to thermal gain for hydrogen in a lattice BTW - Julian Brown, aka JS Brown, aka J Brown is a top Oxford physicist, who was very interested in LENR before going over the European Patent Office (EPO). All of papers on arXiv are worth rereading. Unlike the USPTO - patents mentioning LENR are allowed in Europe, probably due to Brown's influence. -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones-- Refeerences used in Brown's 2007 paper are as follows: [1] G. Kurizki, A. Kofman, V.Yudson, Phys. Rev. A53 R35-R38 (1996). [2] J.Brown, arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0608292 [3] H.Krimmel, L. Schimmele, C. Els¨asser, M. F¨ahnle, J.Phys. Condens. Matt. 6 7679-7704 (1994). [4] M.Dyer,C.Zhang,A.Alavi, ChemPhysChem 6, 1711-1715 (2005). [5] M.Puska, R.Nieminen, Phys. Rev. B29, 5382-5397 (1984). Note the oldest was 1984.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
Jed-- Who makes the 1% or more mark up on foreign currency exchanges anyway? Why is it not an exchange based on the current international rate with no markup for the common trader? It seems there may be a monopoly in that currency exchange business. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: Borders are opening up as people are now able to trade with each other without the expensive exchange rate tax, which every merchant in every third-world country experiences when he tries to compete with countries which do not want his government's currency. Surely we can find a solution to that problem that does not involve a ponzi-scheme currency that fluctuates in value by hundreds of dollars a day, and that is wide open to the largest theft in the history of banking. No longer need people be burdened by expensive transaction fees which can cost upwards of $50, and a day's time, to send money to some other part of the world. I often buy things in Japan with a credit card, such as books from Amazon.com Japan. It takes no time at all. It is no different from buying things from a U.S. vendor. The bank charges a little extra for the currency conversion. You can send money to people in Japan with PayPal, I believe. Maybe this is not an option in the third world, but I suppose it could be. I have seen web sites in Guatemala recently that take credit cards. I will grant, buying with a credit card is not an anonymous, untraceable transaction. I know that libertarians and drug dealers want it it be anonymous and untraceable, but I don't care about that, and I suppose most people do not care. Bitcoin will be to money, what email is to the telephone, and what the telephone is to mail: Revolutionary! Bitcoin is to the telephone as the burner throw-away cell phones are to regular cell phones: an ideal way to conduct criminal activities. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Bitcoin is to the telephone as the burner throw-away cell phones are to regular cell phones: an ideal way to conduct criminal activities. The US government didn't need Bitcoin to turn its population into a href= http://business.time.com/2014/02/26/student-loans-are-ruining-your-life-now-theyre-ruining-the-economy-too/;a nation of paupers threatened with debtors prisons if they tried to acquire enough education to achieve a middle class income/a and we're not talking a mere half billion dollars in theft -- we're talking a trillion in student loans that violate the most fundamental principles of bankruptcy and progress out of slavery.
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Yes Bob, LENR is real, it occurs in real materials, and it is caused by a real mechanism controlled by real parameters. It is exactly like hot fusion in this regard. Unlike hot fusion, a new mechanism is operating that is not like what physics has accepted. Rather than suggesting any idea that comes to mind, the effort to identify this mechanism must focus on what is actually observed. What is observed creates limits and boundaries on what mechanisms are possible. Eventually, all mechanisms but one will be eliminated and at that point LENR will be understood. The process of finding this single mechanism can be speeded up by eliminating a lot of proposed mechanisms right from the start. For example, any proposed mechanism that conflicts with the laws of thermodynamics can be rejected without further consideration. Of course, this requires these laws be understood and accepted, but that is a different issue. This is like looking for gold. Simply wondering the landscape and pointing at every mountain as a possible location of the gold vein is not useful. The landscape needs to be studied, the geological events need to be identified, and location of found nuggets needs to be considered. Only then can the buried gold be found by eliminating all the regions where it cannot be located. I'm attempting to do this but I find very little interest in this approach. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Regarding your comment copied from below--No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. --I agree. However, you seem to always take on a discussion to find the cause of the reaction considering basic physical parameters that you seem to recognize as real. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper As I have posted repeatedly, the key to developing an active and very strong reaction is to provide a wide range of micro/nanoparticle sizes. This requirement comes from nanoplasmonic doctrine. A single sized particle does not work. For example, in the open source high school reactor (cop = 4) that does work, the design calls for a tungsten particle collection of varying diameters. The 5 micron micro-particles coated with nanowire is important in feeding power into the aggregation of smaller nanoparticles. This is how Rossi’s secret sauce fits in. Potassium nanoparticles provide and intermediate sized particle population to the particle ensembles. Hydrogen provides the smallest particle population. When there are particles of varying size clump together, and alight on the nickel nanowires, strong dipole motion in the micro particles drive the reactions in the spaces between the hydrogen nanoparticles. The bigger particles act like step-up windings in a high voltage transformer as power is feed to the smallest particles. If a single diameter sized nanoparticle is used, the reaction will not work. If only nanoparticles are use in the reaction, the reaction will not be strong. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Nice thought Kevin. Chris and I collaborated to see if CNT were nuclear active. They were not, at least when using our methods. I suspect the conditions in the tube are not correct to form the Hydroton. As is typical, the situation in the chemical structure is more complex than expected. No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: Wouldn't that lend itself to corroborating Ed Storms's theories about cracks the NAE? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Frank roarty fr...@roarty.biz wrote: Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes
[Vo]:Kiev and Cold Fusion
So the reading of the situation from my diplomatic contact is that Putin will take Crimea and stop, with one exception: There will be a natural gas shortage in Kiev this fall. Ukrainians are known for technical improvisation. Their techies are known for flouting international regimes regarding intellectual property. Faced with a cut off of natural gas heat next winter, and the on-going delays in release of cold fusion commercial heaters due to certification procedures, one wonders if perhaps Kiev might be ground zero of the cold fusion revolution come next winter.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
On 03/01/2014 05:26 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: Borders are opening up as people are now able to trade with each other without the expensive exchange rate tax, which every merchant in every third-world country experiences when he tries to compete with countries which do not want his government's currency. Surely we can find a solution to that problem that does not involve a ponzi-scheme currency that fluctuates in value by hundreds of dollars a day, and that is wide open to the largest theft in the history of banking. There's no incentive to try. We don't have competition in the currency business. The legal tender laws, and expensive banking regulations, effectively prevent that; and any time someone has tried to come up with something innovative and interesting, outside the banking industry, it's been closed down. I followed e-gold closely, from 1999 until 2006 when their servers were seized. In 1999 - 2000, I bought and sold e-gold for about a year as an independent agent. Doug Jackson had the vision to use gold as a form of currency, which could be sent through the internet with immediate settlement, and which would serve as the foundation for other forms of money. He started the company in 1996, and grew it to over $200 million in gold bullion by the time they shut it down. In fact, e-gold was superior to Bitcoin for these reasons: 1) It offered immediate settlement. Bitcoin settlement occurs when a transaction is added to the block chain, which takes about 10 minutes on average, but can take up to an hour or more; and if the transaction fee is too low, it can take up to 48 hours. 2) e-Gold offered potential justice to those defrauded, and a complete trail for law enforcement when they had a court order. Law enforcement frequently used e-gold to find criminals. While e-gold, itself, could be used without an identifying account, all exchange services required identification for those sending money into the e-gold system, and those taking money out of the e-gold system. The fact that all transactions were centralized made law enforcement much easier than it had been previously when most of the types of scams that were being used with e-gold, were replacing scams which were being used by Western Union payments and other types of payments like this, which were, effectively, completely anonymous. (and still are). 3) e-Gold offered price stability, because gold has a far, far larger market cap than Bitcoin. 4) e-Gold accepted technical responsibility for the operation of the e-gold system; whereas with Bitcoin, there is nothing that can be done when you create a transaction with a valid, but unowned output, as MtGox discovered in Oct, 2011. With e-gold, there was always someone to call when something went wrong. People have told me that Bitcoin is kharma for e-gold, because they could close down e-gold, but they can't close Bitcoin. [But I have no doubt that they can push Bitcoin completely underground in many places.] No longer need people be burdened by expensive transaction fees which can cost upwards of $50, and a day's time, to send money to some other part of the world. I often buy things in Japan with a credit card, such as books from Amazon.com Japan. It takes no time at all. It is no different from buying things from a U.S. vendor. The bank charges a little extra for the currency conversion. You can send money to people in Japan with PayPal, I believe. But Paypal is not money, because it is reversible. Businesses will never negotiate for Paypal. Nothing with a low markup will ever be sold for Paypal. People have used e-gold to buy houses, cars, boats, real estate, and airplanes; but Paypal can never be used for anything like this, because Paypal dollars can be taken away, even months after they've been placed in your account. To be a true international currency, you've got to start with something for a monetary base. It has to be: 1) tangible; 2) fungible; 3) auditable; 4) portable; 5) scarce; 6) stable [which Bitcoin hasn't yet achieve]; 7) recognizable; 8) reliable; and 9) acceptable. Paypal dollars fail several of these because of this fatal flaw: they are built upon credit. But to really get the vision as to what people are trying to do with such a currency like Bitcoin, you have to think of it as cash, and you have to treat it like cash. With a solid foundation, from a non-reversible currency, you can then build an infrastructure on top of it that has all the bells, whistles, and security that you want to see. So while Bitcoin is not as good as e-gold once was, the infrastructure which can be built on top of it, can be everything that e-gold once was, and very much more; because Bitcoin can satisfy all the requirements of a monetary base upon which entire capital markets, credit markets, clearing houses, payment
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
I can not go into detail Jones. I can say we subjected various sources of CNT to D2 at various temperatures and pressures and looked for heat and radiation. Unfortunately, LENR is so unreliable, no negative study can be considered the last word. We will not know what is possible or impossible until the correct explanation has been found. SPP may be present and important to some phenomenon, but they are very unlikely to have a role in initiating a nuclear reaction. Whatever causes LENR must be able to overcome a significant Coulomb barrier and at the same time dissipate MeV of energy. I see no way the SPP can do this. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Edmund Storms Nice thought Kevin. Chris and I collaborated to see if CNT were nuclear active. They were not, at least when using our methods. I suspect the conditions in the tube are not correct to form the Hydroton. Well, it is good to know that you and Chris collaborated, but not so good to learn that his technique may not work, as claimed. Can you describe what methods were used? Did you use a coherent or nearly coherent light source? Without a source of coherent light, SPP are unlikely to form. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Kiev and Cold Fusion
Hello Yes, James. If it is just the certification process that stands between LENR at market or not, then Kiev is a good idea but for certain many places in China, india, South America. . . .are contenders. IP is just most other agreements worth about as much as the paper it is written on if there is compelling reasons to disregard. In my opinion all agreements are just perfect until the moment when one party feels he needs to pull it out of the drawer and read it again, then the agreement is worth nothing. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort. PJM On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:17 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: So the reading of the situation from my diplomatic contact is that Putin will take Crimea and stop, with one exception: There will be a natural gas shortage in Kiev this fall. Ukrainians are known for technical improvisation. Their techies are known for flouting international regimes regarding intellectual property. Faced with a cut off of natural gas heat next winter, and the on-going delays in release of cold fusion commercial heaters due to certification procedures, one wonders if perhaps Kiev might be ground zero of the cold fusion revolution come next winter.
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find -Radar story
I worked on Navy electronic contracts and had several opportunities to watch huge pulsed RF energies sprayed out of big waveguides onto our equipment, testing for radiation susceptibility, out on a rooftop. Huge because I have no clear memory of how much, but it was certainly more that a MW peak. We all stood around, in a not-that-big semicircle, while the lead Navy tech person horsed stuff around and turned the power off and on. It may be that I can't remember what the power level was because of those exposures? My life has been sometimes weird since then... Ol' Bab, who was an engineer. On 2/28/2014 11:22 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:13 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while drinking a Pina Colada?? No. It's either a Mai Tai or pure rum, 151 pf. You'll get cataracts regardless.
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Ed-- I would identify a mechanism for overcoming the classical Coulomb barrier you refer to: See JS Browns idea as copied from his paper written in October 2006--its instructive as to possible cause of LENR in the Pd-D system. arXiv:cond-mat/0610403v1 [cond-mat.mtrl-sci] 15 Oct 2006 The normalized amplitude of these dominant configurations is on the order of 2N times greater than in the normal incoherent regime, all cross-terms van- ishing by virtue of the orthogonality of the component states. The probability that any one adjacent pair at 01:10 have tunneled through the classically for- bidden region under their mutual Coulomb barrier is accordingly multiplied by the same exponential factor (N.B. the tunnelling probability is proportional to the square of the sum of very many, extremely small, unipolar contributions, multiplied by the oscillation frequency). In a mesoscopic region comprising many hundreds of adatoms, this factor amounts to many orders of magnitude and may transform the otherwise vanishingly small fusion rate into an exper- imentally observable phenomenon with technological potential. He goes on to say: In view of the finite rate of particle exchange in the bridging sites, the state of N coherent bosonic deuteron adatoms will quickly become exchange-symmetric. Because of this, the amplitude of any one D-D fusion event will be shared equally over all sites. This translational symmetry will presumably forbid the emission of quanta of wavelength small compared to the coherence domain and force a relatively slow radiationless relaxation of the fused deuterons to helium-4. References [1] J.Brown, arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0608292 (submitted to J.Phys Condens. Matt.). [2] G. Kurizki, A. Kofman, V.Yudson, Phys. Rev. A 53 R35-R38 (1996). [3] Y. Todate, S.Ikeda, Y.Nakai, A. Agui, Y.Tominaga, J. Phys. Condens. Matt. 5 7761–7770 (1993). Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper Yes Bob, LENR is real, it occurs in real materials, and it is caused by a real mechanism controlled by real parameters. It is exactly like hot fusion in this regard. Unlike hot fusion, a new mechanism is operating that is not like what physics has accepted. Rather than suggesting any idea that comes to mind, the effort to identify this mechanism must focus on what is actually observed. What is observed creates limits and boundaries on what mechanisms are possible. Eventually, all mechanisms but one will be eliminated and at that point LENR will be understood. The process of finding this single mechanism can be speeded up by eliminating a lot of proposed mechanisms right from the start. For example, any proposed mechanism that conflicts with the laws of thermodynamics can be rejected without further consideration. Of course, this requires these laws be understood and accepted, but that is a different issue. This is like looking for gold. Simply wondering the landscape and pointing at every mountain as a possible location of the gold vein is not useful. The landscape needs to be studied, the geological events need to be identified, and location of found nuggets needs to be considered. Only then can the buried gold be found by eliminating all the regions where it cannot be located. I'm attempting to do this but I find very little interest in this approach. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Regarding your comment copied from below--No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. --I agree. However, you seem to always take on a discussion to find the cause of the reaction considering basic physical parameters that you seem to recognize as real. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper As I have posted repeatedly, the key to developing an active and very strong reaction is to provide a wide range of micro/nanoparticle sizes. This requirement comes from nanoplasmonic doctrine. A single sized particle does not work. For example, in the open source high school reactor (cop = 4) that does work, the design calls for a tungsten particle collection of varying diameters. The 5 micron micro-particles coated with nanowire is important in feeding power into the aggregation of smaller nanoparticles. This is how Rossi’s secret sauce fits in. Potassium nanoparticles provide and intermediate sized particle population to the particle ensembles. Hydrogen provides the smallest particle population. When there are particles of varying size clump together,
Re: [Vo]:Kiev and Cold Fusion
James and others-- The rumor has it that Industrial Heat, Rossi's underwriter, is negotiating with a Chinese Co to produce his reactors. It may or may not be true. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Lennart Thornros To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Kiev and Cold Fusion Hello Yes, James. If it is just the certification process that stands between LENR at market or not, then Kiev is a good idea but for certain many places in China, india, South America. . . .are contenders. IP is just most other agreements worth about as much as the paper it is written on if there is compelling reasons to disregard. In my opinion all agreements are just perfect until the moment when one party feels he needs to pull it out of the drawer and read it again, then the agreement is worth nothing. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort. PJM On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:17 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: So the reading of the situation from my diplomatic contact is that Putin will take Crimea and stop, with one exception: There will be a natural gas shortage in Kiev this fall. Ukrainians are known for technical improvisation. Their techies are known for flouting international regimes regarding intellectual property. Faced with a cut off of natural gas heat next winter, and the on-going delays in release of cold fusion commercial heaters due to certification procedures, one wonders if perhaps Kiev might be ground zero of the cold fusion revolution come next winter.
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Ed-- I am not sure how you show that the 2nd and 3rd laws are met. It is not easy to calculate entropy and show how it increases. It would appear that the microstates possible decrease with the reaction since the He has a lower energy, However the rest of the system may have gained microstates associated with the calculation on entropy, S. I suspect this calculation will be hard in any LENR reaction. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper Ed-- I would identify a mechanism for overcoming the classical Coulomb barrier you refer to: See JS Browns idea as copied from his paper written in October 2006--its instructive as to possible cause of LENR in the Pd-D system. arXiv:cond-mat/0610403v1 [cond-mat.mtrl-sci] 15 Oct 2006 The normalized amplitude of these dominant configurations is on the order of 2N times greater than in the normal incoherent regime, all cross-terms van- ishing by virtue of the orthogonality of the component states. The probability that any one adjacent pair at 01:10 have tunneled through the classically for- bidden region under their mutual Coulomb barrier is accordingly multiplied by the same exponential factor (N.B. the tunnelling probability is proportional to the square of the sum of very many, extremely small, unipolar contributions, multiplied by the oscillation frequency). In a mesoscopic region comprising many hundreds of adatoms, this factor amounts to many orders of magnitude and may transform the otherwise vanishingly small fusion rate into an exper- imentally observable phenomenon with technological potential. He goes on to say: In view of the finite rate of particle exchange in the bridging sites, the state of N coherent bosonic deuteron adatoms will quickly become exchange-symmetric. Because of this, the amplitude of any one D-D fusion event will be shared equally over all sites. This translational symmetry will presumably forbid the emission of quanta of wavelength small compared to the coherence domain and force a relatively slow radiationless relaxation of the fused deuterons to helium-4. References [1] J.Brown, arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0608292 (submitted to J.Phys Condens. Matt.). [2] G. Kurizki, A. Kofman, V.Yudson, Phys. Rev. A 53 R35-R38 (1996). [3] Y. Todate, S.Ikeda, Y.Nakai, A. Agui, Y.Tominaga, J. Phys. Condens. Matt. 5 7761–7770 (1993). Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper Yes Bob, LENR is real, it occurs in real materials, and it is caused by a real mechanism controlled by real parameters. It is exactly like hot fusion in this regard. Unlike hot fusion, a new mechanism is operating that is not like what physics has accepted. Rather than suggesting any idea that comes to mind, the effort to identify this mechanism must focus on what is actually observed. What is observed creates limits and boundaries on what mechanisms are possible. Eventually, all mechanisms but one will be eliminated and at that point LENR will be understood. The process of finding this single mechanism can be speeded up by eliminating a lot of proposed mechanisms right from the start. For example, any proposed mechanism that conflicts with the laws of thermodynamics can be rejected without further consideration. Of course, this requires these laws be understood and accepted, but that is a different issue. This is like looking for gold. Simply wondering the landscape and pointing at every mountain as a possible location of the gold vein is not useful. The landscape needs to be studied, the geological events need to be identified, and location of found nuggets needs to be considered. Only then can the buried gold be found by eliminating all the regions where it cannot be located. I'm attempting to do this but I find very little interest in this approach. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Regarding your comment copied from below--No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. --I agree. However, you seem to always take on a discussion to find the cause of the reaction considering basic physical parameters that you seem to recognize as real. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper As I have posted repeatedly, the key to developing an active and very strong reaction is to provide a wide range of
Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Silk Road may have had their assets in their own wallet. How the FBI took down the proprietor of Silk Road (they got lucky): http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/how-the-feds-took-down-the-dread-pirate-roberts/
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find -Radar story
If you want to see what I think a couple years of 3-5 megawatts of 24/7 pulsed Doppler radiation from 7 radars is doing to biology, click on the link http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/2-8-14-indian-river-lagoon-florida1.png http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/31/the-killing-fields/ http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/11-4-13-florida1.png Plenty of concern by scientists in the early 1990s that was overidden by MIT/Lincoln Labs in support of installation of all of the NEXRAD and TDWR radars, in addition to all of the overlapping FAA/military radars. Cataracts, cancers, strange neurological responses. If you read half way into this report you will find all the concerned scientist letters/reports. The hypoxia that is occurring in the waterways is also a marker in many human diseases. http://darkmattersalot.com/2013/12/27/dont-worry-be-happy/ My statistics over 2 years and multiple runs of 10,000 iterations is pointing directly to the radars. Those one on the cruise ship are just babies compared to the polarized, penetrating units today On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:09 PM, David L Babcock olb...@gmail.com wrote: I worked on Navy electronic contracts and had several opportunities to watch huge pulsed RF energies sprayed out of big waveguides onto our equipment, testing for radiation susceptibility, out on a rooftop. Huge because I have no clear memory of how much, but it was certainly more that a MW peak. We all stood around, in a not-that-big semicircle, while the lead Navy tech person horsed stuff around and turned the power off and on. It may be that I can't remember what the power level was because of those exposures? My life has been sometimes weird since then... Ol' Bab, who was an engineer. On 2/28/2014 11:22 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:13 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while drinking a Pina Colada?? No. It's either a Mai Tai or pure rum, 151 pf. You'll get cataracts regardless.
[Vo]:NASA Langley Presentation on LENR Aircraft Study
https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/p1zygzm2h3i/?launcher=falsefcsContent=truepbMode=normal
RE: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
From: Edmund Storms SPP may be present and important to some phenomenon, but they are very unlikely to have a role in initiating a nuclear reaction. Whatever causes LENR must be able to overcome a significant Coulomb barrier and at the same time dissipate MeV of energy. I see no way the SPP can do this. Well, Ed this thread started with consideration of the Cooper patent application. Fig 1 of that patent describes an experiment, which is the essence of the entire disclosure really, in which a light source is the only power input and helium is seen as evidence of LENR. If the patent is accurate, SPP is the prime candidate to be the initiator of the reaction since obviously light photons alone are orders of magnitude too weak. As for the way this can happen, the electric fields of SPP are said to be rather massive. Possibly this relates to local superconductivity. This is actually a rather elegant hypothesis which is being championed by NASA. Helium has been criticized by some outspoken observers of D+D in Pd fusion as being too ubiquitous to be good evidence of LENR. Krivit has made his reputation promoting this POV. It is curious that you now seem to be siding with Krivit on the validity of this kind of evidence, at least as it would apply to Cooper's claim. If Cooper's helium detection was valid, then it would seem to warrant the same level of credibility as anyone else's - and possibly more, since the experiment is so simple and straightforward. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:NASA Langley Presentation on LENR Aircraft Study
There is a similar initiative in Lockheed/Martin. Please vote up the submission of this story at slashdot: http://slashdot.org/submission/3377235/nasa-langley-study-on-cold-fusions-potential-in-aviation On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:59 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/p1zygzm2h3i/?launcher=falsefcsContent=truepbMode=normal
RE: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
From: Ken Deboer Also they form Dirac cones which I gather, although I know nothing about them myself, are interesting. cheers, ken Yes Dirac cone(s) are interesting wrt LENR since they are essentially the representation of vortices with focal points which can influence fusion. In fact the vortex can be identified as an SPP. A google image search for Dirac cones will immediately let one recognize how this is important.
Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper
Ed: Rather than suggesting any idea that comes to mind, the effort to identify this mechanism must focus on what is actually observed. Axil: As revealed by DGT, where does the 1.6 tesla magnetic field at 20 centimeters from the nickel powder come from? This field increases in strength as each of the cyclic reactions advances. Ed is ignoring this experimental observation as irrelevant to his view of LENR. That is fantasy Ed. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Yes Bob, LENR is real, it occurs in real materials, and it is caused by a real mechanism controlled by real parameters. It is exactly like hot fusion in this regard. Unlike hot fusion, a new mechanism is operating that is not like what physics has accepted. Rather than suggesting any idea that comes to mind, the effort to identify this mechanism must focus on what is actually observed. What is observed creates limits and boundaries on what mechanisms are possible. Eventually, all mechanisms but one will be eliminated and at that point LENR will be understood. The process of finding this single mechanism can be speeded up by eliminating a lot of proposed mechanisms right from the start. For example, any proposed mechanism that conflicts with the laws of thermodynamics can be rejected without further consideration. Of course, this requires these laws be understood and accepted, but that is a different issue. This is like looking for gold. Simply wondering the landscape and pointing at every mountain as a possible location of the gold vein is not useful. The landscape needs to be studied, the geological events need to be identified, and location of found nuggets needs to be considered. Only then can the buried gold be found by eliminating all the regions where it cannot be located. I'm attempting to do this but I find very little interest in this approach. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Regarding your comment copied from below--No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. --I agree. However, you seem to always take on a discussion to find the cause of the reaction considering basic physical parameters that you seem to recognize as real. Bob - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:43 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Christopher H. Cooper As I have posted repeatedly, the key to developing an active and very strong reaction is to provide a wide range of micro/nanoparticle sizes. This requirement comes from nanoplasmonic doctrine. A single sized particle does not work. For example, in the open source high school reactor (cop = 4) that does work, the design calls for a tungsten particle collection of varying diameters. The 5 micron micro-particles coated with nanowire is important in feeding power into the aggregation of smaller nanoparticles. This is how Rossi's secret sauce fits in. Potassium nanoparticles provide and intermediate sized particle population to the particle ensembles. Hydrogen provides the smallest particle population. When there are particles of varying size clump together, and alight on the nickel nanowires, strong dipole motion in the micro particles drive the reactions in the spaces between the hydrogen nanoparticles. The bigger particles act like step-up windings in a high voltage transformer as power is feed to the smallest particles. If a single diameter sized nanoparticle is used, the reaction will not work. If only nanoparticles are use in the reaction, the reaction will not be strong. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Nice thought Kevin. Chris and I collaborated to see if CNT were nuclear active. They were not, at least when using our methods. I suspect the conditions in the tube are not correct to form the Hydroton. As is typical, the situation in the chemical structure is more complex than expected. No amount of discussion about magnetic fields, hidden electrons, particle spin, etc is useful unless it can show exactly what needs to be done to cause the reaction to occur in the first place. Ed Storms On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: Wouldn't that lend itself to corroborating Ed Storms's theories about cracks the NAE? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Frank roarty fr...@roarty.biz wrote: Jones, Yes, I agree.. the paper from Cornell re catalytic action only occurring at openings and defects in nano tubes
