Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[Craig Haynie]

They just ran a test with a live rossi core, and the reactor exploded 
and broke just as it entered the range where they were expecting the 
LENR effect to begin. Temp was around 1010C or thereabouts, around 3:45 
on the clock.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A54c999f4--21a4-96a5-001a1142f4ec&feature=iv&src_vid=bK6d3t4lSjM&v=eP9l356ymg8

So, the test is over. No good result.

Craig

[Vo]:the entirety of the quantum condition exists within a subset of Newtonian mechanics... The Quantum Condition and an Elastic Limit, free full text, 2014 Frank Znidarsic PE: Rich Murray 2015.02.0

[Rich Murray]

the entirety of the quantum condition exists within a subset of Newtonian
mechanics... The Quantum Condition and an Elastic Limit, free full text,
2014 Frank Znidarsic PE: Rich Murray 2015.02.05
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-entirety-of-quantum-condition.html


"This author suggests that this extension analysis may demonstrate that the
entirety of the quantum condition exists within a subset of Newtonian
mechanics."

http://benthamopen.com/CHEM/VOLUME/1/

http://benthamopen.com/FULLTEXT/CHEM-1-21

Open Chemistry Journal
ISSN: 1874-8422 ― Volume 1, 2014

The Quantum Condition and an Elastic Limit

Frank Znidarsic P.E.
Registered Professional Engineer, State of Pennsylvania

Abstract

Charles-Augustin de Coulomb introduced his equations over two centuries
ago.

These equations quantified the force and the energy of interacting
electrical charges.

The electrical permittivity of free space was factored into Coulomb’s
equations.

A century later James Clear Maxwell showed that the velocity of light
emerged as a consequence this permittivity.

These constructs were a crowning achievement of classical physics.

In spite of these accomplishments, the philosophy of classical Newtonian
physics offered no causative explanation for the quantum condition.

Planck’s empirical constant was interjected, ad-hoc, into a description of
atomic scale phenomena.

Coulomb’s equation was re-factored into the terms of an elastic constant
and a wave number.

Like Coulomb’s formulation, the new formulation quantified the force and
the energy produced by the interaction of electrical charges.

The Compton frequency of the electron, the energy levels of the atoms, the
energy of the photon, the speed of the atomic electrons, and Planck’s
constant, spontaneously emerged from the reformulation.

The emergence of these quantities, from a classical analysis, extended the
realm of classical physics into a domain that was considered to be
exclusively that of the quantum.

Keywords: Atomic radii, photoelectric effect, Planck’s constant, the
quantum condition.

Article Information
Identifiers and Pagination:

Year: 2014
Volume: 1
First Page: 21
Last Page: 26
Publisher Id: CHEM-1-21
DOI: 10.2174/1874842201401010021
Article History:

Received Date: 26/06/2014
Revision Received Date: 28/07/2014
Acceptance Date: 02/09/2014
Electronic publication date: 28/11/2014
Collection year: 2014

© Frank Znidarsic P.E.; Licensee Bentham Open.

Open-Access License: This is an open access article licensed under the
terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial License (
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/) which permits unrestricted,
non-commercial use, distribution and reproduction in any medium, provided
the work is properly cited.


* Address correspondence to this author at
481 Boyer St, Johnstown Pa 15906, USA;
Tel: 814 505 4638;
E-mail: fznidar...@aol.com

1. INTRODUCTION

One school of thought holds that the universe is constructed of continuous
stuff.

Newton’s laws of motion and Einstein’s theory of Special and General
Relativity operate upon this continuum.

Coulomb’s equation describes the continuous nature of the electrical field.

Maxwell employed Coulomb’s equation and described the wavelike properties
of light.

Another school of thought holds that the universe is constructed of
particle like things.

These things were quantified with Planck’s empirical constant.

Einstein used Planck’s constant and introduced the particle of light.

Niels Bohr showed that an atom’s electrons reside in discrete particle like
energy levels [1]

The philosophy of quantum mechanics precisely describes the lumpiness of
the quantum realm.

This philosophy could not explain why the quantum realm was lumpy.

Max Planck searched for a classical principle that would establish the
state of the quantum.

It has been over a century since Planck’s quest and no classical principle
was discovered.

The Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum physics was introduced in order to
offer some explanation [2-4].

This interpretation describes a probability based reality.

The everyday classical realm, of our experience, is only a subset of this
mysterious reality.

The classically wired human mind cannot intuitively grasp the condition of
the quantum reality.

This quandary has become the accepted norm.


Znidarsic refactored Coulomb’s equation into the terms of an elastic
constant Ke and a displacement Rc.

The elasticity of the electron, like that of a rubber band, is greatest as
it just begins to expand.

It diminishes, from that maximum, with displacement.

The Compton frequency, of the electron, emerges as this elasticity acts
upon the mass of the electron.

In general, the wave like properties of stuff emerge as a condition of this
elastic constant.

It was assumed that the electron has a classical limit to its elasticity.

An electron expels the field of another through a process of elastic
failure.

The displacement, of the elastic discontinuity,

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[James Bowery]

Yes it was gratuitous because there is no necessary implication of
collusion when people share an agenda.  They can come to the shared agenda
through the equivalent of crowd hysteria -- which is what the vast majority
of politics consists of.  Now, there may be a few individuals like Lewis
and Koonin who are particularly adept at manipulating crowds -- and they
might have colluded in a criminal conspiracy to trigger a stampede at the
Spring 1989 APS meeting in Maryland, but the rest is primarily herd
instinct.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> It's not gratuitous at all.   To lie like that to support other people who
> are lying while representing the government is a crime.   When a group of
> people commit a crime together, it's called a conspiracy.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:33 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> Your "conspiracy" jibe was gratuitous.  My comment took into account your
>> explanation and provided the obvious reality that the government is a
>> political animal.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker > > wrote:
>>
>>> HM  careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass
>>> conspiracy thing.
>>>
>>> The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve
>>> nuclear materials because of terrorism.   They probably said he wasn't
>>> credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on
>>>  it further.
>>>
>>> Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling
>>> himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea
>>> that Vaughn just got misquoted.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>>
 Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is
 obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, "Gary Wright"?

 One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is
 attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of
 nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows,
 clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda?

 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell 
 wrote:

> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
>
> Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to
>> a government rep.
>>
>
> He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making
> such a big deal about it?
>
> I assume the statement was not only "paraphrased" but taken out of
> context. It was probably something like: "He does not have credibility 
> with
> the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are
> true."
>
> - Jed
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

https://rossiisreal.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/probability-of-rossi-is-real-is-now-19/

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> It's not gratuitous at all.   To lie like that to support other people who
> are lying while representing the government is a crime.   When a group of
> people commit a crime together, it's called a conspiracy.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:33 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> Your "conspiracy" jibe was gratuitous.  My comment took into account your
>> explanation and provided the obvious reality that the government is a
>> political animal.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker > > wrote:
>>
>>> HM  careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass
>>> conspiracy thing.
>>>
>>> The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve
>>> nuclear materials because of terrorism.   They probably said he wasn't
>>> credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on
>>>  it further.
>>>
>>> Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling
>>> himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea
>>> that Vaughn just got misquoted.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>>
 Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is
 obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, "Gary Wright"?

 One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is
 attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of
 nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows,
 clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda?

 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell 
 wrote:

> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
>
> Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to
>> a government rep.
>>
>
> He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making
> such a big deal about it?
>
> I assume the statement was not only "paraphrased" but taken out of
> context. It was probably something like: "He does not have credibility 
> with
> the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are
> true."
>
> - Jed
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

It's not gratuitous at all.   To lie like that to support other people who
are lying while representing the government is a crime.   When a group of
people commit a crime together, it's called a conspiracy.


On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:33 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> Your "conspiracy" jibe was gratuitous.  My comment took into account your
> explanation and provided the obvious reality that the government is a
> political animal.
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
> wrote:
>
>> HM  careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass
>> conspiracy thing.
>>
>> The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve
>> nuclear materials because of terrorism.   They probably said he wasn't
>> credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on
>>  it further.
>>
>> Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling
>> himself if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea
>> that Vaughn just got misquoted.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>
>>> Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is
>>> obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, "Gary Wright"?
>>>
>>> One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is
>>> attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of
>>> nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows,
>>> clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:

 Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to
> a government rep.
>

 He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making
 such a big deal about it?

 I assume the statement was not only "paraphrased" but taken out of
 context. It was probably something like: "He does not have credibility with
 the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are
 true."

 - Jed


>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[James Bowery]

Your "conspiracy" jibe was gratuitous.  My comment took into account your
explanation and provided the obvious reality that the government is a
political animal.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> HM  careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass
> conspiracy thing.
>
> The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve
> nuclear materials because of terrorism.   They probably said he wasn't
> credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on
>  it further.
>
> Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself
> if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that
> Vaughn just got misquoted.
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is
>> obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, "Gary Wright"?
>>
>> One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is
>> attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of
>> nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows,
>> clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a
 government rep.

>>>
>>> He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making
>>> such a big deal about it?
>>>
>>> I assume the statement was not only "paraphrased" but taken out of
>>> context. It was probably something like: "He does not have credibility with
>>> the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are
>>> true."
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

It could also be that Vaughn has some sort of NDA as well.   If he
disparaged Rossi while under NDA that would leave Rossi with the right to
sue.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Brad Lowe  wrote:

> All nuclear reactions produce byproducts, many of which could be
> public health hazards.
>
> Mr. Wright now needs to make the case that for the sake of public
> safety, the government should compel Rossi, Darden or Vaughn to
> disclose the location of any US based LENR laboratory.
>
> We have seen pictures of the hotcat that were taken somewhere... and
> we know a device was delivered to Lugano. Evidence is high that Rossi
> is tinkering with nuclear energy.
>
> Keep digging, Mr. Wright! I want the truth.
>
> - Brad
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
>  wrote:
> > HM  careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass
> > conspiracy thing.
> >
> > The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve
> nuclear
> > materials because of terrorism.   They probably said he wasn't credible
> > because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on  it
> further.
> >
> > Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling
> himself
> > if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that
> > Vaughn just got misquoted.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
> >>
> >> Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is
> >> obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, "Gary Wright"?
> >>
> >> One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is
> >> attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of
> >> nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows,
> clearly
> >> share in Gary Wright's agenda?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
> >>>
>  Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility
> to a
>  government rep.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making
> >>> such a big deal about it?
> >>>
> >>> I assume the statement was not only "paraphrased" but taken out of
> >>> context. It was probably something like: "He does not have credibility
> with
> >>> the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are
> >>> true."
> >>>
> >>> - Jed
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Brad Lowe]

All nuclear reactions produce byproducts, many of which could be
public health hazards.

Mr. Wright now needs to make the case that for the sake of public
safety, the government should compel Rossi, Darden or Vaughn to
disclose the location of any US based LENR laboratory.

We have seen pictures of the hotcat that were taken somewhere... and
we know a device was delivered to Lugano. Evidence is high that Rossi
is tinkering with nuclear energy.

Keep digging, Mr. Wright! I want the truth.

- Brad



On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
 wrote:
> HM  careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass
> conspiracy thing.
>
> The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve nuclear
> materials because of terrorism.   They probably said he wasn't credible
> because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on  it further.
>
> Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself
> if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that
> Vaughn just got misquoted.
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>
>> Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is
>> obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, "Gary Wright"?
>>
>> One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is
>> attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of
>> nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows, clearly
>> share in Gary Wright's agenda?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a
 government rep.
>>>
>>>
>>> He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making
>>> such a big deal about it?
>>>
>>> I assume the statement was not only "paraphrased" but taken out of
>>> context. It was probably something like: "He does not have credibility with
>>> the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are
>>> true."
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

JNewman:

"Gee Daniel. I would have expected him to say “We were taken in hook, line
and sinker by a con man and wasted millions of dollars on a fraudulent
device.” Such a statement would certainly endear him to his investors and
encourage them to invest more money. One has to wonder why he didn’t do
that."

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Jed sez:
>
> > Hoisted answered with one question of his own: "Are you Steve Krivit?"
> > Wright said he isn't. He sure sounds like Steve.
>
> Like Wright would say he wuz? Oh! You found me out! How careless of me!
>
> I'm assuming Wright isn't SK.
>
> > Fortunately, Wright does not have it in for cold fusion. He would be a
> real pain
> > in the butt if he did. From the website:
> >
> > "NOTE: The general field of Cold Fusion / Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction
> research is
> > NOT a scam. For authoritative references on this field, see either New
> Energy Times,
> > or mainstream encyclopedia references by Elsevier or John Wiley and
> Sons."
>
> That's priceless!
>
> X'actly what I would speculate SK disguised in pseudonym might say.
>
> Wright and SK certainly share a lot of interests, and attitude.
>
> I can see why Bo had his suspicions.
>
> We should try to see if we can interest Abd Lomax into investigating the
> matter of Wright's web site. Abd is one obsessed individual who has
> acquired a damned good talent for ferreting out historical backgrounds and
> finances of websites, individuals, and organizations. He did a decent job
> dissecting the historical finances SK's NET website. See:
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/newvortex/conversations/messages/679
>
> I wish Mr. Beaty could find it in his heart to reinstate Lomax back into
> Vortex. I miss him.
>
> Regards,
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> svjart.orionworks.com
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Jed sez:

> Hoisted answered with one question of his own: "Are you Steve Krivit?" 
> Wright said he isn't. He sure sounds like Steve.

Like Wright would say he wuz? Oh! You found me out! How careless of me!

I'm assuming Wright isn't SK.

> Fortunately, Wright does not have it in for cold fusion. He would be a real 
> pain
> in the butt if he did. From the website:
>
> "NOTE: The general field of Cold Fusion / Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction 
> research is
> NOT a scam. For authoritative references on this field, see either New Energy 
> Times,
> or mainstream encyclopedia references by Elsevier or John Wiley and Sons."
 
That's priceless!

X'actly what I would speculate SK disguised in pseudonym might say.

Wright and SK certainly share a lot of interests, and attitude.

I can see why Bo had his suspicions.

We should try to see if we can interest Abd Lomax into investigating the matter 
of Wright's web site. Abd is one obsessed individual who has acquired a damned 
good talent for ferreting out historical backgrounds and finances of websites, 
individuals, and organizations. He did a decent job dissecting the historical 
finances SK's NET website. See:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/newvortex/conversations/messages/679

I wish Mr. Beaty could find it in his heart to reinstate Lomax back into 
Vortex. I miss him.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

HM  careful james, I think you're starting to buy into this mass
conspiracy thing.

The government is EXTREMELY touchy about anything that could involve
nuclear materials because of terrorism.   They probably said he wasn't
credible because they wanted to explain why they weren't following up on
 it further.

Analog's view is interesting for sure, though I think he's fooling himself
if he thinks that his perspective is anymore probable than the idea that
Vaughn just got misquoted.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is
> obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, "Gary Wright"?
>
> One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is
> attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of
> nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows,
> clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda?
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a
>>> government rep.
>>>
>>
>> He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making
>> such a big deal about it?
>>
>> I assume the statement was not only "paraphrased" but taken out of
>> context. It was probably something like: "He does not have credibility with
>> the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are
>> true."
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[Craig Haynie]

It was just another calibration test, and it's over now.

Craig

On 02/05/2015 06:07 PM, Craig Haynie wrote:
Another live run. I believe this is one with a rossi core, but I am 
not certain. They were going to do this today, and the day's almost over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A54c99790--2767-93c9-001a1147517a&feature=iv&src_vid=yMpIxeb_L50&v=-tzMEIAwG30 



Craig

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[James Bowery]

Why would a government official word things in such in a way that is
obviously biased to serve the open agenda of the querent, "Gary Wright"?

One Rossi-favorable interpretation is that this NC State official is
attempting to cover his ass with the Federal bureaucrats in charge of
nuclear matters who, the history of the physics establishment shows,
clearly share in Gary Wright's agenda?

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
>
> Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a
>> government rep.
>>
>
> He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making
> such a big deal about it?
>
> I assume the statement was not only "paraphrased" but taken out of
> context. It was probably something like: "He does not have credibility with
> the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are
> true."
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[Craig Haynie]

Another live run. I believe this is one with a rossi core, but I am not 
certain. They were going to do this today, and the day's almost over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A54c99790--2767-93c9-001a1147517a&feature=iv&src_vid=yMpIxeb_L50&v=-tzMEIAwG30

Craig

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Analog Fan]

On Thursday, February 5, 2015 2:38 PM, Jed Rothwell  
wrote:


>It is common knowledge that he is Florida. He is not misdirecting anyone.


Incorrect. Rossi has claimed several times on "JoNP" that he has a team in 
North Carolina Research Triangle Park working with Industrial Heat. The 
specific address shown on this report has also been discussed previously in 
public as the only location that Industrial heat has. He has also mentioned his 
"team" working there.

See Rossi's responses from June 10, July 7, Oct 1, Nov 10th 2014 on 
http://www.rossilivecat.com/all.html e.g.

"Andrea Rossi
July 7th, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Raleigh, North Carolina, USA; in the factory of Industrial Heat, in the heart 
of the Research Triangle, where many mammoth companies have their R&D centers."

In my opinion:

- No lab or plant exists in NC. Either Rossi lied about setting it up, or IH 
shut it down once they figured out Rossi was not credible.


- This is the second time Rossi's been caught in a lie about factory/lab 
locations. (Same thing happened in 2012 in Florida 
http://shutdownrossi.com/certification-licenses-validation-testing/florida-brc-report/)

- There is no way to do the level of research Rossi claims to be doing with any 
sort of team, and yet have no physical facilities to do it in. This points to 
Rossi's entire enterprise being questionable.


-JT Vaughn's response sounds to me like an investor who has realized he needs 
to cover his legal exposure. Even if the venture is a complete writeoff, you 
will never see a statement from them about it - it's the nature of venture 
capital.


- It's a crushing blow to Rossi's credibility but I don't expect Frank Acland 
and the eCat believers to stop believing. Leon Festinger would love this. (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails)

No idea who Gary Wright is, and I can't stand his kooky websites, but kudos to 
him for getting some real 'indipendent' third party data on Rossi.


AF

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Patrick Ellul]

That is that then.
Thanks Mats.
Regards,
Patrick

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Lewan Mats  wrote:

>  I also sent an email to JT Vaughn and asked if he would like to comment.
>
> He answered with a statement from IH:
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Jed Rothwell]

Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:

Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a
> government rep.
>

He does not have credibility. No one disputes that. Why are you making such
a big deal about it?

I assume the statement was not only "paraphrased" but taken out of context.
It was probably something like: "He does not have credibility with the
scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true."

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Jed Rothwell]

Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:


> Rossi is probably misdirecting everyone because he doesn't want to be
> stalked in Florida.
>

It is common knowledge that he is Florida. He is not misdirecting anyone.

- Jed

SV: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Lewan Mats]

I also sent an email to JT Vaughn and asked if he would like to comment.
He answered with a statement from IH:

- - - - -

Industrial Heat, LLC has learned of a report confirming the absence of any 
radioactive materials in our facilities. While the conclusion was sensible -- 
there was no evidence of radioactive material at our site -- the report went on 
to make other observations beyond the scope of the investigation.


Industrial Heat has invested in energy technologies in their early stages of 
development. ‎We have a long term strategy of spending our resources on ideas 
which might or might not be successful in the market. We do this because the 
world still needs new, clean and efficient energy sources. We remain committed 
to supporting technologies that will reduce the environmental impact of 
producing energy and raise the standard of‎ living in developing countries.


Industrial Heat acquired certain rights to Andrea Rossi’s LENR technology. The 
company continues to support Dr. Rossi's research and development, and we are 
hopeful that our funding can lead to new discoveries. Since the acquisition, 
there has been no departure from our support for this project, or any other 
projects.

Any suggestions of the views of Industrial Heat, apart from those described 
here, do not reflect the views of Industrial Heat or its staff.
- - - - -

Mats
www.animpossibleinvention.com


Från: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Skickat: den 5 februari 2015 23:08
Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Ämne: Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

James Bowery mailto:jabow...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Who has standing to ask?  IH is privately 
held.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted.
Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy.

I do not think anyone has "standing" to ask, but a person might be curious. A 
reporter from the business section of the newspaper might ask.

It is a little odd that this statement showed up in a safety inspector's 
report. The inspector's job was to look for radioactive material. He should not 
have been asking questions about Rossi, and he should not have included any 
comments by Vaughn about Rossi in the report. However, this is a trivial matter.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Here's a good theory:

Maybe the answer is as simple as the E-Cat(product name for the low
temperature model) is manufactured in Florida. The HotCat(product name for
the high temperature model) has R&D/manufacturing in Raleigh but the
inspector didn't ask about the HotCat so Vaughn wasn't forced to volunteer
information about it.

This makes sense.   Rossi is probably misdirecting everyone because he
doesn't want to be stalked in Florida.  Vaughn simply told the rep the
truth, that Rossi is lying.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:14 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> Who has standing to ask?  IH is privately held
> 
> .
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker  > wrote:
>
>> Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted.
>>  Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Boom!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Lewan Mats 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials
 Branch  at N.C. Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few
 questions about the document published by GW.



 Here’s his answer:



 - - - - -



 Mr. Lewan,



 The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an
 original report from my office.  Please note that the allegation number
 should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was
 the first one finalized in 2015.  Anything stated within the report
 findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive
 material being utilized in North Carolina.



 The investigators documented what was said and observed.  They reported
 what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional
 descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility.



 We have no further information to share about the alleger.



 Thank you for your inquiry.



 David Crowley

 N.C. Department of Health and Human Services

 Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service
 Regulation

 5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612

 1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645

 Phone: 919-814-2303

 david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov

 www.ncradiation.net

 www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/



 - - - -

 Mats

 www.animpossibleinvention.com





 *Från:* Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com]
 *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2015 19:20
 *Till:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Ämne:* Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into
 IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc



 Hi all

 As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71

 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/
 and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in
 the letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop
 job.
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view

 Kind Regards walker



 On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell 
 wrote:

  I wrote:



   I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he
 did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they
 are fed up with Rossi?



 I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement
 again:


 "Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible
 (paraphrase)"

 Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me
 on the phone and ask: "regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any
 credibility with the scientific mainstream?" I would say "no, he doesn't."
 I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial
 things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that
 he does not appear credible.



 I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are
 exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was
 hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but
 unfortunately I do not think it has.



 If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can
 criticize it.



 - Jed





>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Jed Rothwell]

James Bowery  wrote:

Who has standing to ask?  IH is privately held
> 
> .
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker  > wrote:
>
>> Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted.
>>  Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy.
>>
>
I do not think anyone has "standing" to ask, but a person might be curious.
A reporter from the business section of the newspaper might ask.

It is a little odd that this statement showed up in a safety inspector's
report. The inspector's job was to look for radioactive material. He should
not have been asking questions about Rossi, and he should not have included
any comments by Vaughn about Rossi in the report. However, this is a
trivial matter.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:about some LENR initiatives; problems and progress

[Axil Axil]

Peter's instinct about liquid tin as a heat transfer medium is well
founded, but in the context of the Hot cat reactor architecture as it
currently stands, the integration of the current Hot cat with the well
known and mature heat pipe technology is a better engineering solution.

A heat pipe is a amazing and highly efficient heat-transfer device that
combines the principles of both thermal conductivity of liquid metal with
its phase transition to efficiently manage the transfer of heat between two
solid interfaces.

At the hot interface of a heat pipe, a liquid metal in contact with a
thermally conductive solid surface turns into a vapor by absorbing heat
from that surface. The vapor then travels along the heat pipe at supersonic
speeds to the cold interface and condenses back into a liquid  that
releases the latent heat. The liquid then returns to the hot interface
through either capillary action of a patterned inner surface of the pipe to
repeat in a continual cycle. Due to the very high heat transfer
coefficients for boiling and condensation, heat pipes are highly effective
thermal conductors. The effective thermal conductivity varies with heat
pipe length, and can approach 100 kW/(cm2) for long heat pipes which is 200
times more powerful in comparison with copper.

Using the heat pipe concept, the Hot-Cat industrial plant could be designed
to function in a completely passive mode without any moving parts or
computers. The key to this design is to use a small diameter lithium moly
or zirconium heat pipe (2cm) to remove high temperature heat from the
reactor core. A lithium heat pipe operates in the heat range between 900C
and 1700C. This powerful implimentation of the heat pipe has a heat
transfer capability many thousands of times grater than boiling water. In
detail, the heat transfer capacity moves heat at  125 kilowatts per square
centimeter of surface area. Such heat transfer power could literally cool
the surface of the Sun.

Unlike Rossi's system, such a system would operate as an sealed isolated
unit in a vacuum with the core of the Hot cat at ambient pressure.

How to select the right heat pipe for a given application.

https://www.enertron-inc.com/pdf/thermal_design_guildines/How-to-select-a-heat-pipe.pdf

A CO2 turbine generator the size of a bread box could be integrated into
the heat pipe Hot cat to generate electric power. Alternatively, a closed
cycle liquid metal magnetohydrodynamic generator (MHD generator) could do
the job without any moving parts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_generator

Rossi will face devastating competition from advanced power plant designs
when the mystery of the Hot-Cat core is resolved.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> I hope you will like this:
>
>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/02/lenr-initiatives-present-and-future.html
>
> not only because it is a bit shorter than usual.
>
> Please send me DIKW's- you have access to and I not!
> Thanks!
> Peter
>
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[Craig Haynie]

Check out this photograph:

https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject/photos/a.587293604634676.1073741827.466698113360893/917327598297940/?type=1

They said it looked orange. The caption is, "Silicon Carbide Element at 
1400ºC internal temperature." It also looks like they've removed the 
casing -- or something. I doesn't look like a complete dog bone.


Craig


On 02/05/2015 02:52 PM, Craig Haynie wrote:
They say that though the dog bone appears white hot on video, it 
actually looks orange in person. This may explain the apparent visual 
discrepancy with the photograph in the Lugano report, and the reported 
temperature. It also demonstrates that you really can't trust 
photography to accurately reflect color, without detailed information 
on the type of photography used.


Craig

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[James Bowery]

Who has standing to ask?  IH is privately held

.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted.
>  Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy.
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker  > wrote:
>
>> Boom!
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Lewan Mats 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials Branch
>>>  at N.C. Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few questions
>>> about the document published by GW.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here’s his answer:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - - - - -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr. Lewan,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an
>>> original report from my office.  Please note that the allegation number
>>> should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was
>>> the first one finalized in 2015.  Anything stated within the report
>>> findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive
>>> material being utilized in North Carolina.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The investigators documented what was said and observed.  They reported
>>> what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional
>>> descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have no further information to share about the alleger.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your inquiry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Crowley
>>>
>>> N.C. Department of Health and Human Services
>>>
>>> Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service
>>> Regulation
>>>
>>> 5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612
>>>
>>> 1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645
>>>
>>> Phone: 919-814-2303
>>>
>>> david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov
>>>
>>> www.ncradiation.net
>>>
>>> www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - - - -
>>>
>>> Mats
>>>
>>> www.animpossibleinvention.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Från:* Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com]
>>> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2015 19:20
>>> *Till:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> *Ämne:* Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into
>>> IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71
>>>
>>> http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/
>>> and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in
>>> the letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop
>>> job.
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view
>>>
>>> Kind Regards walker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>>>
>>>  I wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he
>>> did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they
>>> are fed up with Rossi?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement
>>> again:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible
>>> (paraphrase)"
>>>
>>> Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on
>>> the phone and ask: "regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any
>>> credibility with the scientific mainstream?" I would say "no, he doesn't."
>>> I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial
>>> things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that
>>> he does not appear credible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are
>>> exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was
>>> hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but
>>> unfortunately I do not think it has.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[Craig Haynie]

On 02/05/2015 04:03 PM, Craig Haynie wrote:
They blew a fuse when the cranked up the control run to 2.2 KW. They 
say they're preparing the core for another run in a little while. I 
hope they have the video back for that run.




From the Facebook page:

"We just tripped the breaker trying to max out the variac. The SiC 
element went comfortably to 1557ºC so we want to focus on building a few 
Ni+LiAlH4 filled fuelled cores this afternoon."


This sentence makes it appear as if they may no longer be planning on 
actually doing the core run this afternoon.


Craig

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[Craig Haynie]

On 02/05/2015 03:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

The broadcast is over already.




They blew a fuse when the cranked up the control run to 2.2 KW. They say 
they're preparing the core for another run in a little while. I hope 
they have the video back for that run.


Craig

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[Jed Rothwell]

The broadcast is over already.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Yeah, not a big deal when your partner says you have no credibility to a
government rep.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Hi Mats. Did the guy say how many page the document is? It seems there are
> missing page.
>
> This does not seem like a big deal to me. It seems like the Department of
> Health is doing its job.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[Craig Haynie]

They say that though the dog bone appears white hot on video, it 
actually looks orange in person. This may explain the apparent visual 
discrepancy with the photograph in the Lugano report, and the reported 
temperature. It also demonstrates that you really can't trust 
photography to accurately reflect color, without detailed information on 
the type of photography used.


Craig

On 02/05/2015 02:35 PM, Craig Haynie wrote:

Here's the live link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A54c99268--21a4-96a5-001a1142f4ec&feature=iv&src_vid=0DY4TJmCJS8&v=yMpIxeb_L50 



They're up to 1700 watts on the control. Afterwhich, they plan to 
insert a core into the dog bone and run it again to see if there's any 
difference.


Craig

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Jed Rothwell]

Hi Mats. Did the guy say how many page the document is? It seems there are
missing page.

This does not seem like a big deal to me. It seems like the Department of
Health is doing its job.

- Jed

[Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[Craig Haynie]

Here's the live link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A54c99268--21a4-96a5-001a1142f4ec&feature=iv&src_vid=0DY4TJmCJS8&v=yMpIxeb_L50

They're up to 1700 watts on the control. Afterwhich, they plan to insert 
a core into the dog bone and run it again to see if there's any difference.


Craig

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Boom!

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Lewan Mats  wrote:

>  I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials Branch
>  at N.C. Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few questions
> about the document published by GW.
>
>
>
> Here’s his answer:
>
>
>
> - - - - -
>
>
>
> Mr. Lewan,
>
>
>
> The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an
> original report from my office.  Please note that the allegation number
> should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was
> the first one finalized in 2015.  Anything stated within the report
> findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive
> material being utilized in North Carolina.
>
>
>
> The investigators documented what was said and observed.  They reported
> what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional
> descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility.
>
>
>
> We have no further information to share about the alleger.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your inquiry.
>
>
>
> David Crowley
>
> N.C. Department of Health and Human Services
>
> Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service
> Regulation
>
> 5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612
>
> 1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645
>
> Phone: 919-814-2303
>
> david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov
>
> www.ncradiation.net
>
> www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/
>
>
>
> - - - -
>
> Mats
>
> www.animpossibleinvention.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *Från:* Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com]
> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2015 19:20
> *Till:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Ämne:* Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into
> IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
> As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71
>
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/
> and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the
> letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view
>
> Kind Regards walker
>
>
>
> On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>
>  I wrote:
>
>
>
>   I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did
> say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are
> fed up with Rossi?
>
>
>
> I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement
> again:
>
>
> "Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase)"
>
> Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on
> the phone and ask: "regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any
> credibility with the scientific mainstream?" I would say "no, he doesn't."
> I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial
> things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that
> he does not appear credible.
>
>
>
> I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are
> exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was
> hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but
> unfortunately I do not think it has.
>
>
>
> If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize
> it.
>
>
>
> - Jed
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:E-cat/Lugano : lower temp make more realistic SiC NTC

[Peter Gluck]

This shows clearly/hazily that there are problems with the electric heating
and using hot melt Sn would be better, the differences between the hotcats
with fuel and those empty will be easily observable if they exist.
However are the Lugano and the MFMP Hotcats really comparable/
Peter


On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Alain Sepeda  wrote:

> Hi all.
> As feared before, it seems the Lugano test may only show a reactor at
> 900C...
> maybe a little higher is anyway the emissivity is reduced in the waveband
> 7.5-13um, .
>
> This maybe an explanation for another mystery : the apparent negative
> temperature coefficient observed from 450 to 800W
>
> If you look at SiC heating elements,
> http://www.practicalcontrol.com.au/silicon_carbide_control.html
> you can see that from 450C to 1000C (Hot Rod) resistivity fall from 230%
> to 100%, and only grow again at 1000C
>
>
> http://www.practicalcontrol.com.au/images/graphs/silicon_carbide_res_temperature.png
>
> this is less than the observed excusion, but not far.
> some bad interpretation linked to the change in waveform may be
> responsible from aditional anomaly.
>
> It is also possible that the SiC be of different quality with a stronger
> NTC than "Hot Rod" ?
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Someone has to contact JT Vaughn now and find out if he was misquoted.
 Either that or Rossi has gone totally crazy.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> Boom!
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Lewan Mats 
> wrote:
>
>>  I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials Branch
>>  at N.C. Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few questions
>> about the document published by GW.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here’s his answer:
>>
>>
>>
>> - - - - -
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Lewan,
>>
>>
>>
>> The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an
>> original report from my office.  Please note that the allegation number
>> should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was
>> the first one finalized in 2015.  Anything stated within the report
>> findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive
>> material being utilized in North Carolina.
>>
>>
>>
>> The investigators documented what was said and observed.  They reported
>> what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional
>> descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have no further information to share about the alleger.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your inquiry.
>>
>>
>>
>> David Crowley
>>
>> N.C. Department of Health and Human Services
>>
>> Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service
>> Regulation
>>
>> 5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612
>>
>> 1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645
>>
>> Phone: 919-814-2303
>>
>> david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov
>>
>> www.ncradiation.net
>>
>> www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/
>>
>>
>>
>> - - - -
>>
>> Mats
>>
>> www.animpossibleinvention.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Från:* Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com]
>> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2015 19:20
>> *Till:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Ämne:* Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into
>> IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71
>>
>> http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/
>> and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the
>> letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job.
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view
>>
>> Kind Regards walker
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>>
>>  I wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>   I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did
>> say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are
>> fed up with Rossi?
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement
>> again:
>>
>>
>> "Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible
>> (paraphrase)"
>>
>> Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on
>> the phone and ask: "regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any
>> credibility with the scientific mainstream?" I would say "no, he doesn't."
>> I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial
>> things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that
>> he does not appear credible.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are
>> exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was
>> hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but
>> unfortunately I do not think it has.
>>
>>
>>
>> If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

SV: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Lewan Mats]

I contacted David Crowley, Manager of the Radioactive Materials Branch  at N.C. 
Department of Health and Human Services, and asked a few questions about the 
document published by GW.

Here’s his answer:

- - - - -

Mr. Lewan,

The report posted to www.freeenergyscams.com is 
in fact a copy of an original report from my office.  Please note that the 
allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the 
investigation was the first one finalized in 2015.  Anything stated within the 
report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive 
material being utilized in North Carolina.

The investigators documented what was said and observed.  They reported what 
was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional descriptive 
language that followed the statement of credibility.

We have no further information to share about the alleger.

Thank you for your inquiry.

David Crowley
N.C. Department of Health and Human Services
Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation
5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612
1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645
Phone: 919-814-2303
david.crow...@dhhs.nc.gov
www.ncradiation.net
www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

- - - -
Mats
www.animpossibleinvention.com


Från: Ian Walker [mailto:walker...@gmail.com]
Skickat: den 5 februari 2015 19:20
Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Ämne: Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

Hi all

As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71
http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/
and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the 
letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view

Kind Regards walker

On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell 
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I wrote:

I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. 
I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with 
Rossi?

I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again:

"Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase)"

Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on the 
phone and ask: "regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with 
the scientific mainstream?" I would say "no, he doesn't." I might add that he 
has not published anything, he says controversial things, and he has a 
checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that he does not appear 
credible.

I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are 
exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was hoping 
the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but 
unfortunately I do not think it has.

If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Crazy!

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Ian Walker  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71
>
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/
> and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the
> letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view
>
> Kind Regards walker
>
>
> On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did
>>> say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are
>>> fed up with Rossi?
>>>
>>
>> I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement
>> again:
>>
>> "Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible
>> (paraphrase)"
>>
>> Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on
>> the phone and ask: "regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any
>> credibility with the scientific mainstream?" I would say "no, he doesn't."
>> I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial
>> things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that
>> he does not appear credible.
>>
>> I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are
>> exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was
>> hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but
>> unfortunately I do not think it has.
>>
>> If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize
>> it.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Ian Walker]

Hi all

As has been noted on Ecatworld in a post by US_Citizen71
http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/
and as many thought from the disjointed ambiguous and odd phrasing in the
letter as well as missing pages, the letter appears to be a Photoshop job.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view

Kind Regards walker


On 5 February 2015 at 16:03, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I wrote:
>
>
>> I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did
>> say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are
>> fed up with Rossi?
>>
>
> I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement
> again:
>
> "Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase)"
>
> Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on
> the phone and ask: "regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any
> credibility with the scientific mainstream?" I would say "no, he doesn't."
> I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial
> things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that
> he does not appear credible.
>
> I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are
> exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was
> hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but
> unfortunately I do not think it has.
>
> If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize
> it.
>
> - Jed
>
>

[Vo]:E-cat/Lugano : lower temp make more realistic SiC NTC

[Alain Sepeda]

Hi all.
As feared before, it seems the Lugano test may only show a reactor at
900C...
maybe a little higher is anyway the emissivity is reduced in the waveband
7.5-13um, .

This maybe an explanation for another mystery : the apparent negative
temperature coefficient observed from 450 to 800W

If you look at SiC heating elements,
http://www.practicalcontrol.com.au/silicon_carbide_control.html
you can see that from 450C to 1000C (Hot Rod) resistivity fall from 230% to
100%, and only grow again at 1000C

http://www.practicalcontrol.com.au/images/graphs/silicon_carbide_res_temperature.png

this is less than the observed excusion, but not far.
some bad interpretation linked to the change in waveform may be responsible
from aditional anomaly.

It is also possible that the SiC be of different quality with a stronger
NTC than "Hot Rod" ?

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Alain Sepeda]

2015-02-05 17:03 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell :

> If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize
> it.


This seems the most probable.

That is a fact that LENR does not LOOK credible (for uninformed couch
potatoes).
Question is what it IS...

the trick of many bad journalist is to
- never lie
- forget annoying facts
- ask question to bend the mind of reader, carefully not answering
- state the minimum of real facts
- to let the reader interpret wrongly

Another is to take the erroneous statements of fanclub, and ridicule that
strawman.
(I think of the 12 power plant).

[Vo]:about some LENR initiatives; problems and progress

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Friends,

I hope you will like this:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/02/lenr-initiatives-present-and-future.html

not only because it is a bit shorter than usual.

Please send me DIKW's- you have access to and I not!
Thanks!
Peter


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say
> it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed
> up with Rossi?
>

I do not know who said what to whom, but let's go over this statement again:

"Mr JT Vaughn stated .. that Mr Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase)"

Imagine an inspector from the State of South Carolina were to call me on
the phone and ask: "regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any
credibility with the scientific mainstream?" I would say "no, he doesn't."
I might add that he has not published anything, he says controversial
things, and he has a checkered past. I think it is obvious to anyone that
he does not appear credible.

I think some of Rossi's claims are probably true. Others I think are
exaggerated or mistaken. He certainly has a credibility problem. I was
hoping the second Elforsk test would settle the issue once and for all but
unfortunately I do not think it has.

If Vaughn said something like that, I don't see how anyone can criticize it.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Jed Rothwell]

Eric Walker  wrote:


> That Gary Wright guy has it out for Rossi.
>

I think you mean he "has it in" for Rossi. He sure does! He seems like a
fanatic. He is also terribly rude. He sent a long list of rude questions to
Bo Hoisted. Hoisted answered with one question of his own: "Are you Steve
Krivit?" Wright said he isn't. He sure sounds like Steve. (I cannot find
that exchange, but it is on his web site.)

Fortunately, Wright does not have it in for cold fusion. He would be a real
pain in the butt if he did. From the website:

"NOTE: The general field of Cold Fusion / Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction
research is NOT a scam. For authoritative references on this field, see
either New Energy Times, or mainstream encyclopedia references by Elsevier
or John Wiley and Sons."



>   What are the typical legal ramifications under US state/federal law, if
> any, for filing a complaint under a pseudonym?
>

I doubt there are legal ramifications. People can file complaints
anonymously if they want. The authorities are free to ignore such
complaints.

There might be a problem if you were to file a complaint with statements
you knew were lies. I would not know about that.

Regarding the investigation itself, here is what I wrote to a friend: "I
think it is laudable that the department takes things like this seriously
and investigates. It does not sound like they spent a lot of time or money.
If I were an official who heard about something like this, I would think it
might be some amateur or a retired scientist playing games with
radioisotopes. I think it is appropriate to send someone around with a
Geiger counter."

- Jed

[Vo]:Bentham makes a new beautiful page that holds my paper

[Frank Znidarsic]

Some progress, Its good.




http://benthamopen.com/CHEM/VOLUME/1/




Frank Znidarsic