Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Axil Axil]

In this new post: "Is Science finally barking up the LENR tree?", gold
nanoparticles behave just like Holmlid's Ultra dense hydrogen.

See

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5377-is-science-finally-barking-up-the-lenr-tree/?postID=71698#post71698

It is possible that any metallic nanoparticle can produce the same results
that Holmlid's is seeing in UDH. In other works, all metallic nanoparticles
might behave in the same way, more or less.

Those gold nanoparticles behave just like the UDH.

This idea fits in with the discoveries made by Ken Shoulders, Egely, proton
21, and many others working with dusty plasma.

Ken Shoulders said this about EVOs:

“They can be just about anywhere, it is handy for me because I can analyse
them in a vacuum - they can exist in a solid, literally in some of John’s
[John Hutchinson] work, in the middle of the middle I’ve seen a paper that
showed things like that and many other cold fusion guys. I’ve created them
and kept them overnight and when I come in next morning they blow to
smithereens - but I think they did some wrong things to make them do those
things.”

“They are extremely ubiquitous things, you can shuffle across this road and
you will have created them those marks - little marks on that door knob are
the witness marks - they are just everywhere, you get out of your car, rub
across your seat and snap… you just made one."

​
An EVO is a LENR activated nanoparticle. The metallic nanoparticle supports
a LENR active polariton BEC on its surface. This is what Holmlid is
generating. Holmlid uses a Laser to activate LENR. The laser pulse is a
KERR effect stimulator. There are numerous KERR effect stimuli that can
activate LENR. Without this LENR stimulus, LENR will be weak to
nonexistent. For a description of these stimuli, see as follows:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_effect​

Turning to cavitation...

The pressure generated by the cavitation collapsing bubble might be
generating metallic water as a nanoparticle. This nanoparticle will also
support a polariton condensate on its surface. The deep blue light
generated in sonoluminescence indicates that polaritons are generated by a
collapsing bubble. What limits the power of the LENR reaction in this water
based nanoparticle is the absence of the LENR stimulator. If a KERR effect
stimulate is directed onto these polaritons produced by cavitation, a more
powerful LENR based reaction might result.

An experiment that might be done is to generate sonoluminescence surrounded
by a high voltage electrostatic field to transform the polaritons that are
producing the blue light into the LENR active form.

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:

> For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems (
> http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an
> efficient steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until
> you start going through the details of what they say on the website is that
> there appears to be five times more energy in the steam they produce than
> the electrical energy they use to produce it.
> I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the
> system and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does
> it manage to do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other
> 'excess energy' systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think
> the mechanism is as follows:
>
>- As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of
>water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
>- When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back
>through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the
>bubbles.
>- The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate
>some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV,
>enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
>- The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there
>is a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic
>energy among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have
>sufficient energy to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short
>duration chain reaction.  With others the kinetic energy they gain is
>transferred to the water molecule and consequently the water is heated up
>until it boils.
>
> The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the
> surface, avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the
> cavitation causes damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes
> all the bubbles to collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same time
> means that the energy from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat all of
> the water, converting it to steam, at which point the chain reaction stops.
>
> Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is
> available in a highly usable form, as high 

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:53:03
+:
Hi,
[snip]
>Nigel—
>
>I read your paper twice and have the following comments:
>
>
>  1.  As Jones points out, hiding .511Mev EM radiation from electron/positron 
> reactions is not likely IMHO.  Therefore I doubt it occurs during CES.
>  2.  The model which includes high kinetic energy products is also hard to 
> imagine in the water system without generation of EM radiation that  should 
> be easy to observe.  Therefore, I doubt energetic particles are present in 
> CES.

but in sono-luminescence there *is* easily observed EM radiation - a blue
glow, and the color gives an indication of the temperature.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Nigel Dyer]

Bob

Thanks for your thoughts.   I must admit that a mechanism based on 
coherence has long been a favoured hypothesis of mine.  It is not a 
complete coincidence that the company I have formed as a vehicle for 
this is called 'Coherent Water Systems'.  I have known John Swain for 
many years, indeed he was responsible for me being involved in LENR, and 
he also strongly advocates mechanisms based on coherence 
https://www.scientific.net/KEM.495.124.  I also agree with him that such 
mechanisms are also likely to be present in biological systems 
https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0603137.pdf, indeed it is this that was 
responsible for us finding ourselves at the same conferences.


There were a number of things that made me start considering 
alternatives, particularly the electrospray experiments where the 
experimental evidence for energy gain is good - I have been through the 
raw data.  However its only 1/2 mW and the COP is not wonderful so not 
something we will be using in power stations (yet).  I feel that the 
very directional water jets that seem to be associated with this effect 
are telling us something.


Note also the component of my model where the fusion is initiated by the 
acceleration of protons through a potential difference is something that 
John Swain has also considered (https://www.scientific.net/KEM.644.57).


Nigel

On 29/09/2017 15:53, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:


Nigel—

I read your paper twice and have the following comments:

 1. As Jones points out, hiding .511Mev EM radiation from
electron/positron reactions is not likely IMHO.  Therefore I doubt
it occurs during CES.
 2. The model which includes high kinetic energy products is also hard
to imagine in the water system without generation of EM radiation
that  should be easy to observe.  Therefore, I doubt energetic
particles are present in CES.**
 3. *I consider that the cavitation produces a coherent system that is
coupled by electric and/or magnetic fields and within a very short
time frame changes its potential energy to phonic (vibrational)
kinetic spin energy of the entire coherent system of the remaining
particles including the electrons.*
 4. *As the coherent system collapses, the constituents give up heat
(vibrational L energy--spin energy) to the surround water in a
normal slow transfer of heat and increase of enthalpy.*
 5. *Finally, all the model’s assumptions about virtual neutrinos and
other virtual particles  are unnecessary and only uggest a
non-real mechanism associated with understanding high energy
physics experiments, not like condensed matter LENR of coherent QM
systems.*
 6. *A good model which explains how spin quanta are redistributed
within a coherent system in *_whole number multiples_*of Planck’s
constant divided by 2 pie (h/2pie) is warranted with  conservation
of angular momentum and total energy IMHO.*

**

*Bob Cook*

**

**

RE: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Nigel—

I read your paper twice and have the following comments:


  1.  As Jones points out, hiding .511Mev EM radiation from electron/positron 
reactions is not likely IMHO.  Therefore I doubt it occurs during CES.
  2.  The model which includes high kinetic energy products is also hard to 
imagine in the water system without generation of EM radiation that  should be 
easy to observe.  Therefore, I doubt energetic particles are present in CES.
  3.  I consider that the cavitation produces a coherent system that is coupled 
by electric and/or magnetic fields and within a very short time frame changes 
its potential energy to phonic (vibrational) kinetic spin energy of the entire 
coherent system of the remaining particles  including the electrons.
  4.  As the coherent system collapses, the constituents give up heat 
(vibrational L energy--spin energy) to the surround water in a normal slow 
transfer of heat and increase of enthalpy.
  5.  Finally, all the model’s assumptions about virtual neutrinos and other 
virtual particles  are unnecessary  and only uggest a non-real mechanism 
associated with understanding high energy physics experiments, not like 
condensed matter LENR of coherent QM systems.
  6.  A good model which explains how spin quanta are redistributed within a 
coherent system in whole number multiples of Planck’s constant  divided by 2 
pie (h/2pie) is warranted with  conservation of angular momentum and total 
energy IMHO.

Bob Cook





From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:50 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of 
LENR?

The hellish conditions found in the Earth’s lower mantle: more than 1,800 miles 
below the surface, the lower mantle experiences temperatures nearing 4,000 
degrees Fahrenheit and pressures that are 1.3 million times higher than the air 
at earth's surface is where diamonds are created after a milion years of 
enduring these intense physical conditions.

Graphite-to-diamond transformation induced by ultrasound cavitation

www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/pdf/drm17-931.pdf<http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/pdf/drm17-931.pdf>

Abstract
Diamond microcrystals have been synthesized using ultrasonic cavitation of a 
suspension of hexagonal graphite in various organic liquid
media, at an average bulk temperature of the liquid up to 120°C and at 
atmospheric pressure. The yield of diamond is up to 10% by mass. The
diamonds were characterized by scanning electron microscopy, X-ray diffraction 
and laser Raman spectroscopy. Analysis of the crystallite size
distribution showed that the diamonds were nearly mono-dispersed, having a size 
6 or 9μm ± 0.5μm, with cubic, crystalline morphology.

one “successful” cavitation bubble collapse = one diamond crystal)

If cavitation can produce diamonds from graphite in a microsecond, cavitation 
can also produce the same intense conditions that can produce metallic hydride 
components such as metallic water and hydrogen deep inside the earth and other 
planets.



On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Nigel Dyer 
<l...@thedyers.org.uk<mailto:l...@thedyers.org.uk>> wrote:
For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems 
(http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an efficient 
steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until you start going 
through the details of what they say on the website is that there appears to be 
five times more energy in the steam they produce than the electrical energy 
they use to produce it.
I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the system 
and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does it manage to 
do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other 'excess energy' 
systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think the mechanism is as 
follows:
· As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of 
water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
· When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back 
through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the bubbles.
· The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate 
some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV, enough to 
overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
· The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there is 
a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic energy 
among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have sufficient energy 
to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short duration chain reaction.  
With others the kinetic energy they gain is transferred to the water molecule 
and consequently the water is heated up until it boils.
The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the surface,

RE: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

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From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:50 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of 
LENR?

The hellish conditions found in the Earth’s lower mantle: more than 1,800 miles 
below the surface, the lower mantle experiences temperatures nearing 4,000 
degrees Fahrenheit and pressures that are 1.3 million times higher than the air 
at earth's surface is where diamonds are created after a milion years of 
enduring these intense physical conditions.

Graphite-to-diamond transformation induced by ultrasound cavitation

www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/pdf/drm17-931.pdf<http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/pdf/drm17-931.pdf>

Abstract
Diamond microcrystals have been synthesized using ultrasonic cavitation of a 
suspension of hexagonal graphite in various organic liquid
media, at an average bulk temperature of the liquid up to 120°C and at 
atmospheric pressure. The yield of diamond is up to 10% by mass. The
diamonds were characterized by scanning electron microscopy, X-ray diffraction 
and laser Raman spectroscopy. Analysis of the crystallite size
distribution showed that the diamonds were nearly mono-dispersed, having a size 
6 or 9μm ± 0.5μm, with cubic, crystalline morphology.

one “successful” cavitation bubble collapse = one diamond crystal)

If cavitation can produce diamonds from graphite in a microsecond, cavitation 
can also produce the same intense conditions that can produce metallic hydride 
components such as metallic water and hydrogen deep inside the earth and other 
planets.



On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Nigel Dyer 
<l...@thedyers.org.uk<mailto:l...@thedyers.org.uk>> wrote:
For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems 
(http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an efficient 
steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until you start going 
through the details of what they say on the website is that there appears to be 
five times more energy in the steam they produce than the electrical energy 
they use to produce it.
I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the system 
and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does it manage to 
do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other 'excess energy' 
systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think the mechanism is as 
follows:
· As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of 
water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
· When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back 
through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the bubbles.
· The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate 
some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV, enough to 
overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
· The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there is 
a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic energy 
among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have sufficient energy 
to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short duration chain reaction.  
With others the kinetic energy they gain is transferred to the water molecule 
and consequently the water is heated up until it boils.
The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the surface, 
avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the cavitation causes 
damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes all the bubbles to 
collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same time means that the energy 
from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat all of the water, converting it 
to steam, at which point the chain reaction stops.

Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is available in 
a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have put together some more 
detailed notes.

http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf

Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Axil Axil]

The hellish conditions found in the Earth’s lower mantle: more than 1,800
miles below the surface, the lower mantle experiences temperatures nearing
4,000 degrees Fahrenheit and pressures that are 1.3 million times higher
than the air at earth's surface is where diamonds are created after a
milion years of enduring these intense physical conditions.

Graphite-to-diamond transformation induced by ultrasound cavitation

www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/pdf/drm17-931.pdf

Abstract
Diamond microcrystals have been synthesized using ultrasonic cavitation of
a suspension of hexagonal graphite in various organic liquid
media, at an average bulk temperature of the liquid up to 120°C and at
atmospheric pressure. The yield of diamond is up to 10% by mass. The
diamonds were characterized by scanning electron microscopy, X-ray
diffraction and laser Raman spectroscopy. Analysis of the crystallite size
distribution showed that the diamonds were nearly mono-dispersed, having a
size 6 or 9μm ± 0.5μm, with cubic, crystalline morphology.

one “successful” cavitation bubble collapse = one diamond crystal)

If cavitation can produce diamonds from graphite in a microsecond,
cavitation can also produce the same intense conditions that can produce
metallic hydride components such as metallic water and hydrogen deep inside
the earth and other planets.



On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:

> For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems (
> http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an
> efficient steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until
> you start going through the details of what they say on the website is that
> there appears to be five times more energy in the steam they produce than
> the electrical energy they use to produce it.
> I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the
> system and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does
> it manage to do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other
> 'excess energy' systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think
> the mechanism is as follows:
>
>- As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of
>water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
>- When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back
>through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the
>bubbles.
>- The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate
>some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV,
>enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
>- The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there
>is a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic
>energy among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have
>sufficient energy to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short
>duration chain reaction.  With others the kinetic energy they gain is
>transferred to the water molecule and consequently the water is heated up
>until it boils.
>
> The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the
> surface, avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the
> cavitation causes damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes
> all the bubbles to collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same time
> means that the energy from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat all of
> the water, converting it to steam, at which point the chain reaction stops.
>
> Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is
> available in a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have put
> together some more detailed notes.
>
> http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Frank Grimer]

I think they are cavitation pits where the high pF inside cavitation
bubbles has "sucked" the plastic out.

On 26 September 2017 at 18:56, Alan Fletcher <a...@well.com> wrote:

>
> Not an expert in either .. but a lot of those look more like dendritic
> crystal growth than particle tracks.
> --
> *From: *"Axil Axil" <janap...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"vortex-l" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, September 25, 2017 2:25:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel
> form of LENR?
>
> https://steemit.com/science/@mfmp/ecco-macro-photography-
> of-strange-radiation-tracks-in-fuel-container
>
>
> ECCO fuel preparation uses a cavitation based fuel preparation process
> that produces some sort of LENR active reaction activator. This activation
> seems to interact with plastic in a slow but relentless process until the
> plastic container is reduced to dust.
>
>
> Is anybody aware of a chemical reaction that can produce plastic
> disintegration, impact marks, and scratches on plastic as pictured in this
> deteriorating ECCO LENR reactor plastic fuel container?
>
>
> Those impact marks sure look like they are produced by high speed
> particles.
>

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Alan Fletcher]

Not an expert in either .. but a lot of those look more like dendritic crystal 
growth than particle tracks. 

From: "Axil Axil" <janap...@gmail.com> 
To: "vortex-l" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:25:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of 
LENR? 



https://steemit.com/science/@mfmp/ecco-macro-photography-of-strange-radiation-tracks-in-fuel-container
 




ECCO fuel preparation uses a cavitation based fuel preparation process that 
produces some sort of LENR active reaction activator. This activation seems to 
interact with plastic in a slow but relentless process until the plastic 
container is reduced to dust. 




Is anybody aware of a chemical reaction that can produce plastic 
disintegration, impact marks, and scratches on plastic as pictured in this 
deteriorating ECCO LENR reactor plastic fuel container? 




Those impact marks sure look like they are produced by high speed particles. 

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Frank Grimer]

This doesn't surprise me. With cavitation you are getting negative
pressures up to pF6.
Think Hutchison effect and Dr Judy Woods dustification.

On 25 September 2017 at 22:25, Axil Axil  wrote:

> https://steemit.com/science/@mfmp/ecco-macro-photography-
> of-strange-radiation-tracks-in-fuel-container
>
>
> ECCO fuel preparation uses a cavitation based fuel preparation process
> that produces some sort of LENR active reaction activator. This activation
> seems to interact with plastic in a slow but relentless process until the
> plastic container is reduced to dust.
>
>
> Is anybody aware of a chemical reaction that can produce plastic
> disintegration, impact marks, and scratches on plastic as pictured in this
> deteriorating ECCO LENR reactor plastic fuel container?
>
>
> Those impact marks sure look like they are produced by high speed
> particles.
>
>
> https://steemit.com/science/@mfmp/ecco-looking-for-
> tachyons-with-laser-microscopy
>
>
> A second level of plastic containment a few inches removed from the
> primary containment also shows similar marks and there is no chemical
> contact with the primary level plastic container.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:
>
>> For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems (
>> http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an
>> efficient steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until
>> you start going through the details of what they say on the website is that
>> there appears to be five times more energy in the steam they produce than
>> the electrical energy they use to produce it.
>> I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the
>> system and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does
>> it manage to do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other
>> 'excess energy' systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think
>> the mechanism is as follows:
>>
>>- As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of
>>water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
>>- When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back
>>through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the
>>bubbles.
>>- The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate
>>some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV,
>>enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
>>- The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there
>>is a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic
>>energy among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have
>>sufficient energy to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short
>>duration chain reaction.  With others the kinetic energy they gain is
>>transferred to the water molecule and consequently the water is heated up
>>until it boils.
>>
>> The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the
>> surface, avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the
>> cavitation causes damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes
>> all the bubbles to collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same time
>> means that the energy from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat all of
>> the water, converting it to steam, at which point the chain reaction stops.
>>
>> Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is
>> available in a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have put
>> together some more detailed notes.
>>
>> http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Axil Axil]

https://steemit.com/science/@mfmp/ecco-macro-photography-of-strange-radiation-tracks-in-fuel-container


ECCO fuel preparation uses a cavitation based fuel preparation process that
produces some sort of LENR active reaction activator. This activation seems
to interact with plastic in a slow but relentless process until the plastic
container is reduced to dust.


Is anybody aware of a chemical reaction that can produce plastic
disintegration, impact marks, and scratches on plastic as pictured in this
deteriorating ECCO LENR reactor plastic fuel container?


Those impact marks sure look like they are produced by high speed particles.


https://steemit.com/science/@mfmp/ecco-looking-for-tachyons-with-laser-microscopy


A second level of plastic containment a few inches removed from the primary
containment also shows similar marks and there is no chemical contact with
the primary level plastic container.




On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:

> For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems (
> http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an
> efficient steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until
> you start going through the details of what they say on the website is that
> there appears to be five times more energy in the steam they produce than
> the electrical energy they use to produce it.
> I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the
> system and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does
> it manage to do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other
> 'excess energy' systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think
> the mechanism is as follows:
>
>- As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of
>water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
>- When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back
>through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the
>bubbles.
>- The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate
>some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV,
>enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
>- The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there
>is a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic
>energy among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have
>sufficient energy to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short
>duration chain reaction.  With others the kinetic energy they gain is
>transferred to the water molecule and consequently the water is heated up
>until it boils.
>
> The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the
> surface, avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the
> cavitation causes damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes
> all the bubbles to collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same time
> means that the energy from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat all of
> the water, converting it to steam, at which point the chain reaction stops.
>
> Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is
> available in a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have put
> together some more detailed notes.
>
> http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Nigel Dyer]

It is indeed a successor to the MIST device.  I went out and spent a 
couple of days with Richard Aho and Bill, but no I did not see a working 
stem generator.   I am however working with someone who did on a 
previous visit.  At its heart all the data/video etc that I have seen is 
consistent with water that is at high pressure being converted to steam 
with no additional energy being input at the point when the conversion 
takes place.  Water and steam enthalpy tables show that this is not 
possible without some kind of LENR like activity providing additional 
energy during the conversion process.


Very little scientific investigatory work has been done, which is 
something that I am working to sort out. I am also hoping to build on 
the possible links between it and the electrospray experiment that I am 
also associated with where energy gain was seen, something that I go 
into in the notes.


Nigel

On 22/09/2017 22:04, Jones Beene wrote:


Hi Nigel,

Very interesting indeed … unless this is the old MIST device… but it 
is doubtful that proton fusion is involved, even if there has been a 
breakthrough - especially without measureable radiation.


Did you see any kind of radiation signature?

The main problem with a similar older technology has been lack of 
measurement of all the subsystems. I am assuming that what you are 
working with is derived from the system being promoted by Richard Aho, 
once called MIST:


http://www.rexresearch.com/ahomist/ahomist.htm

My associates visited the facility in Florida several years ago, and 
came away very disappointed since they had been promised to be shown a 
working device.


Despite all the talk, there was no engine then which could actually 
run by itself on water/steam. There were many, many excuses but AFAIK 
it looks good on paper but has not been shown to actually run without 
another system supplying the very high pressure required by the injectors.


Perhaps there has been a bona fide breakthrough and things have 
changed, but … $64 question … Have you actually seen it running on 
water/steam without electrical input and without another system 
supplying the high pressure water? If so, for how long?


Jones

RE: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Jones Beene]

Hi Nigel,

Very interesting indeed … unless this is the old MIST device… but it is 
doubtful that proton fusion is involved, even if there has been a breakthrough 
- especially without measureable radiation.

Did you see any kind of radiation signature?

The main problem with a similar older technology has been lack of measurement 
of all the subsystems. I am assuming that what you are working with is derived 
from the system being promoted by Richard Aho, once called MIST:

http://www.rexresearch.com/ahomist/ahomist.htm

My associates visited the facility in Florida several years ago, and came away 
very disappointed since they had been promised to be shown a working device. 

Despite all the talk, there was no engine then which could actually run by 
itself on water/steam. There were many, many excuses but AFAIK it looks good on 
paper but has not been shown to actually run without another system supplying 
the very high pressure required by the injectors.

Perhaps there has been a bona fide breakthrough and things have changed, but … 
$64 question … Have you actually seen it running on water/steam without 
electrical input and without another system supplying the high pressure water? 
If so, for how long?

Jones


From: Nigel Dyer


For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems 
(http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an efficient 
steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until you start going 
through the details of what they say on the website is that there appears to be 
five times more energy in the steam they produce than the electrical energy 
they use to produce it.
I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the system 
and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does it manage to 
do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other 'excess energy' 
systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think the mechanism is as 
follows:
• As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of water that 
is full of cavitation bubbles.
• When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back through the 
water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the bubbles.
• The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate some free 
protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV, enough to overcome 
the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
• The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there is a 
cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic energy 
among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have sufficient energy 
to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short duration chain reaction.  
With others the kinetic energy they gain is transferred to the water molecule 
and consequently the water is heated up until it boils.
The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the surface, 
avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the cavitation causes 
damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes all the bubbles to 
collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same time means that the energy 
from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat all of the water, converting it 
to steam, at which point the chain reaction stops.

Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is available in 
a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have put together some more 
detailed notes.

http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf

Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[mixent]

In reply to  Nigel Dyer's message of Fri, 22 Sep 2017 19:07:58 +0100:
Hi,

There is a much simpler explanation. The collapsing bubbles *contain* a mixture
of broken water molecule pieces. Among those pieces there will be both Hydrogen
atoms and individual water molecules. The latter act as a catalyst the shrink
the Hydrogen, as do other Hydrogen atoms and O++ ions. The reaction is
essentially chemical, but of a higher order (energy wise) than other chemical
reactions. The COP is about the right order of magnitude, as is are the initial
conditions required to initiate the process. 
They are creating Hydrinos, they just don't know it.


Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[mixent]

In reply to  Nigel Dyer's message of Fri, 22 Sep 2017 19:07:58 +0100:
Hi,

There is a much simpler explanation. The collapsing bubbles conation a mixture
of broken water molecule pieces. Among those pieces there will be both Hydrogen
atoms and individual water molecules. The latter act as a catalyst the shrink
the Hydrogen, as do other Hydrogen atoms and O++ ions. The reaction is
essentially chemical, but of a higher order (energy wise) than other chemical
reactions. The COP is about the right order of magnitude, as is are the initial
conditions required to initiate the process. 
They are creating Hydrinos, they just don't know it.


>For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems 
>(http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an 
>efficient steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious 
>until you start going through the details of what they say on the 
>website is that there appears to be five times more energy in the steam 
>they produce than the electrical energy they use to produce it.
>I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the 
>system and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how 
>does it manage to do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with 
>other 'excess energy' systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I 
>think the mechanism is as follows:
>
>  * As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of
>water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
>  * When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back
>through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all
>the bubbles.
>  * The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate
>some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of
>10kV, enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
>  * The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there
>is a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as
>kinetic energy among nearby protons and electrons. Some of the
>protons have sufficient energy to initiate a secondary fusion event
>starting a short duration chain reaction.  With others the kinetic
>energy they gain is transferred to the water molecule and
>consequently the water is heated up until it boils.
>
>The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the 
>surface, avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the 
>cavitation causes damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes 
>all the bubbles to collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same 
>time means that the energy from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat 
>all of the water, converting it to steam, at which point the chain 
>reaction stops.
>
>Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is 
>available in a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have 
>put together some more detailed notes.
>
>http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf
>
>Nigel
>
>
>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Axil Axil]

 *For nigh onto 28 years now and still counting, fusion as a cause of LENR
is a myth that has befuddled the thinking processes of just about all LENR
activists. Now we know that LENR can be produced using protium. Even more,
we know that proton proton fusion is virtually impossible. So LENR using
protium cannot be produced by a fusion reaction. It must be produced by
another nuclear process. We know that LENR using protium is based on some
nuclear process other than fusion because this type of LENR reaction also
produces transmuted elements.*


Proton proton fusion is close to impossible because In the core of the Sun
at 14,000,000C and extreme pressure that exists at the core of the Sun,
the...

See the following post to continue to learn the reason why fusion using
protium is impossible,

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5316-lenr-and-udh/?postID=71004#post71004


On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:

> For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems (
> http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an
> efficient steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until
> you start going through the details of what they say on the website is that
> there appears to be five times more energy in the steam they produce than
> the electrical energy they use to produce it.
> I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the
> system and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does
> it manage to do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other
> 'excess energy' systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think
> the mechanism is as follows:
>
>- As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of
>water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
>- When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back
>through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the
>bubbles.
>- The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate
>some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV,
>enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
>- The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there
>is a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic
>energy among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have
>sufficient energy to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short
>duration chain reaction.  With others the kinetic energy they gain is
>transferred to the water molecule and consequently the water is heated up
>until it boils.
>
> The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the
> surface, avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the
> cavitation causes damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes
> all the bubbles to collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same time
> means that the energy from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat all of
> the water, converting it to steam, at which point the chain reaction stops.
>
> Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is
> available in a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have put
> together some more detailed notes.
>
> http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
>