Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

[Gilbert Conus]

Hi,

where is it possible to read this specific list of tasks in order to 
understand this email ?


Regards,
Gilbert

Le 08.02.2017 à 03:19, Kirill Lokshin a écrit :

Hi everyone,

Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set
forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement
affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
Wikimedia movement.

On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their suspension
as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with reporting
requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines
in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter
failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and was
consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
February 1, 2017.

If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
.

Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] VIDEO: What is Creative Commons?

[Biyanto Rebin]

​So cool! Thank you Victor​.



2017-02-07 23:22 GMT+07:00 Victor Grigas :

> Hi everyone,
>
> If you have ever spent time explaining what Creative Commons is to a
> 'civilian', this is designed to explain the basics in 1:23
>
> Wikimedia Commons:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:What_is_Creative_Commons%3F.webm
> YouTube:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPZTh2NKTm4
> Vimeo:
> https://vimeo.com/202862112
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/828993397855776769
> Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia/videos/vb.
> 33138223345/10154872143383346/
> ?type=3
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Cloud Services: new team, new name, renewed focus

[Victoria Coleman]

Hello everyone, 

Starting in April 2017, we will be taking a number of projects related to 
services we are offering "in the cloud" and creating a new team, Wikimedia 
Cloud Services (WMCS), to support a more unified approach to these efforts. The 
sub-teams currently managing these efforts - the Labs sub-team within the 
Wikimedia Technical Operations team and the Tool Labs support sub-team from the 
Community Tech team - will be merged to form this new team.

Wikimedia Cloud Services will be a new team in the Technology Department of the 
Wikimedia Foundation reporting to Victoria  as the Foundation's Chief 
Technology Officer (CTO). This team is being formed based on a proposal made by 
the members of the Labs sub-team and the Tool Labs support sub-team.

The new team will be managed by Bryan Davis, who previously managed the Reading 
Infrastructure and Community Tech teams before helping found the Tool Labs 
support team in 2016. Chase Pettet, formerly manager of the Labs team, is 
taking on the new role of Lead Operations Engineer. Andrew Bogott, Yuvaraj 
Pandian, and Madhumitha Viswanathan are transferring in their existing roles 
from the former Labs team.

The WMCS team will maintain and extend the existing Wikimedia Labs 
infrastructure as a service platform, the Tool Labs platform as a service  
 project, and many 
additional supporting technologies used in the cloud environment. The new team 
is excited to continue supporting developers who create innovative solutions to 
further the free knowledge movement, and will continue to partner with the 
larger Wikimedia volunteer community to manage the physical and virtual 
resources that power the environment and provide technical support to volunteer 
developers and other Wikimedia Cloud Services users.

This new team will focus on three areas of ongoing support and improvement:

Providing a stable and efficient hosting platform
Creating and maintaining services that empower the creation and operation of 
tools
Delivering technical and community support for users of the products

This new team will soon begin working on rebranding efforts intended to reduce 
confusion about the products they maintain.   
 This refocus and 
re-branding will take time to execute, but the team is looking forward to the 
challenge.

Stay tuned for more announcements, and as always Community members are 
encouraged to participate on lab...@lists.wikimedia.org,  
Phabricator  and the 
#wikimedia-labs IRC channel.

Thank you,

Victoria & Wes


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[Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

[Kirill Lokshin]

Hi everyone,

Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set
forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement
affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
Wikimedia movement.

On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their suspension
as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with reporting
requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines
in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter
failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and was
consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
February 1, 2017.

If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
.

Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Hackathon 2018: Looking for Proposals

[Rachel Farrand]

Hello!

Is your organization interested in hosting and co-organizing the 2018
Wikimedia Hackathon? We are looking for proposals!


Hackathon information:

Specific to the 2018 Hackathon


   - *https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons/2018_Decision_Process
   *
   - 
*https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons/Proposing_a_hackathon#Hackathon_location_decision_process_for_2018
   
*


All Hackathons


   - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons
   - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathon_101
   - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons/Hackathon_tips_for_organizers


This year’s Wikimedia Hackathon 2017
 will be held in
Vienna, Austria from 19-21 May. Ideally we will announce the host for 2017
before the end of March, 2017 so that the 2018 organizers can attend the
Vienna Hackathon and start gathering ideas. If multiple chapters or
organizations are interested, we hope to work together to figure out the
the best solution.

Any organizations interested in hosting should please create a Phabricator
ticket and associate it with the Developer-Relations project. Srishti and I
are happy to assist if needed.

Examples: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96826,
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127050

Include as much information as possible from: proposing a hackathon


Please email me at rfarr...@wikimedia.org with any questions or concerns. I
am not on the chapters@ list, so if there is anything that I should respond
to, make sure to keep me on CC. Also please forward this email anywhere you
think it might be useful.


Looking forward to hearing from you!

Rachel Farrand
Events and Program Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Fæ]

Looking at the archive, 16% of the posts to this single thread were by
Gerard Meijssen. This first and only post from me on this is to agree
with Yaroslav that it has been over-cooked and to point out that a
better forum for this type of extended chatter is Facebook; at least
until someone does something beyond vague opining.

How nice it would be to find well thought out and purposeful emails,
worth putting aside to mull over on a bus ride or train journey.
Instant one liners and two-party argumentative conversation seems to
swamp the handful of pearls to be discovered each month in repetitive
seaweed, and poorly punctuated driftwood.

Of course, this thread is still far more amusing than seeing my
mailbox filled with 20 one-liner empty congratulations that could have
so easily been made on a personal wiki page. But that view could be
down to my age induced irritability and past enhancing rose tinted
spectacles.

Fae

On 7 February 2017 at 21:43, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:
> Shouldn't we just freeze this thread? It is not going to do any good.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
>
>> On 02/07/2017 12:07 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the
>>> most recent few hundred editors with contributions at least a year
>>> old, to get an accurate answer.
>>>
>>> Will a respected member of the community please do this? I would like
>>> to know what the actual editing community thinks of the travel ban and
>>> their idea of an appropriate response. I don't want to see community
>>> governance by opt-in participation in obscure RFCs.
>>>
>>> I would offer to do this myself, but I value keeping my real name
>>> unassociated with my enwiki userid.
>>>
>>
>> Conducting a survey can have unforeseen challenges and impacts. A page
>> worth reviewing before running a survey:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey_best_practices
>>
>> The Wikimedia Foundation also offers support for those running surveys
>> (which is a different thing from persuading the WMF to run a survey itself):
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Surveys
>>
>> -Pete
>> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Yaroslav Blanter]

Shouldn't we just freeze this thread? It is not going to do any good.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> On 02/07/2017 12:07 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote:
>
>> Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the
>> most recent few hundred editors with contributions at least a year
>> old, to get an accurate answer.
>>
>> Will a respected member of the community please do this? I would like
>> to know what the actual editing community thinks of the travel ban and
>> their idea of an appropriate response. I don't want to see community
>> governance by opt-in participation in obscure RFCs.
>>
>> I would offer to do this myself, but I value keeping my real name
>> unassociated with my enwiki userid.
>>
>
> Conducting a survey can have unforeseen challenges and impacts. A page
> worth reviewing before running a survey:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey_best_practices
>
> The Wikimedia Foundation also offers support for those running surveys
> (which is a different thing from persuading the WMF to run a survey itself):
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Surveys
>
> -Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Pete Forsyth]

On 02/07/2017 12:07 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote:

Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the
most recent few hundred editors with contributions at least a year
old, to get an accurate answer.

Will a respected member of the community please do this? I would like
to know what the actual editing community thinks of the travel ban and
their idea of an appropriate response. I don't want to see community
governance by opt-in participation in obscure RFCs.

I would offer to do this myself, but I value keeping my real name
unassociated with my enwiki userid.


Conducting a survey can have unforeseen challenges and impacts. A page 
worth reviewing before running a survey:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey_best_practices

The Wikimedia Foundation also offers support for those running surveys 
(which is a different thing from persuading the WMF to run a survey itself):

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Surveys

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Bill Takatoshi]

>>> The people who are loudest in their demands for consensus
>>> do not represent the Wikimedia movement.
>>
>> The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the
>> Trump administration are not representative of the Wikimedia
>> movement either
>
> Is the Community Process Steering Committee currently
> prepared to "engage more 'quiet' members of our community"
> with a statistically robust snap survey to resolve this question?

Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the
most recent few hundred editors with contributions at least a year
old, to get an accurate answer.

Will a respected member of the community please do this? I would like
to know what the actual editing community thinks of the travel ban and
their idea of an appropriate response. I don't want to see community
governance by opt-in participation in obscure RFCs.

I would offer to do this myself, but I value keeping my real name
unassociated with my enwiki userid.

-Will

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] VIDEO: What is Creative Commons?

[Felix Nartey]

Thank you Victor for sharing these!

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Sailesh Patnaik <
sailesh.patnaik...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Victor.
> This is really helpful!!
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 at 10:00 PM, Amy Elder  wrote:
>
> > Great, Victor! I appreciate these links and will add to our r*ecruiter
> >
> > toolbox of useful links* to reference as we speak with candidates. Good
> >
> > stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Victor Grigas 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If you have ever spent time explaining what Creative Commons is to a
> >
> > > 'civilian', this is designed to explain the basics in 1:23
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Wikimedia Commons:
> >
> > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:What_is_Creative_
> Commons%3F.webm
> >
> > > YouTube:
> >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPZTh2NKTm4
> >
> > > Vimeo:
> >
> > > https://vimeo.com/202862112
> >
> > > Twitter
> >
> > > https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/828993397855776769
> >
> > > Facebook:
> >
> > > https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia/videos/vb.
> >
> > > 33138223345/10154872143383346/
> >
> > > ?type=3
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --
> >
> > >
> >
> > > *Victor Grigas*
> >
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> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

[Pete Forsyth]

On 02/07/2017 04:36 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:


Hoi,
When we learned that one of our own was in a prison in Syria, we could not
care less. A lot of words were spend on expressing how sad it was but no,
we could do nothing about this because this would be "political".

For me it is proof how little we as a community care about our own.


That's still not an argument, it's repeated assertion. I remain unconvinced.

I see 158 "support" votes and 95 "opposes." I don't know how you define 
"care about our own," but I think the 158 in the majority care prima 
facie. Of the 95 who opposed, here are just a few quotes which I believe 
reflect compassion for Bassel:


"Per NoW 
 
and as someone already raising awareness on the subject /outside of 
Wikipedia"

"/ I understand the importance and urgency of this issue"
"A banner on Wikipedia will in no way help Bassel in his current situation."
"Bassel has all my sympathy, for seemingly being a like-minded 
individual, possibly facing death on the hands of a murderous, 
tyrannical regime."


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel/Banner/Straw_poll

To my eyes, a strong majority care. You disagree, but I still have not 
seen reasons behind your disagreement.


-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[James Salsman]

>> The people who are loudest in their demands for consensus
>> do not represent the Wikimedia movement.
>
> The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the
> Trump administration are not representative of the Wikimedia
> movement either

Is the Community Process Steering Committee currently
prepared to "engage more 'quiet' members of our community"
with a statistically robust snap survey to resolve this question?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Leigh Thelmadatter]

1) I work for free for what I would like to think of as a non-profit 
educational organization. The rest are businesses looking for cheaper labor.
2) We have a number of policies (such as no advertising) to distance the work 
of creating and maintainin content from commercial concerns. Working 
hand-in-hand politically with for-profit companies is just as undermining to 
the supposed purpose of Wikimedia projects.
3)You are the company you keep. All those signatories are from the same narrow 
worldview.


From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Gerard 
Meijssen 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:55:51 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

Hoi,
What is your point? These companies have the same problem we face. Are
companies bad because they are companies?

NB we have it worse because many of our contributors cannot come to our
only office either.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 7 February 2017 at 15:41, Leigh Thelmadatter 
wrote:

> And yet, here is the amicus brief signed by the Wikimedia Foundation,
> along with, not nearly 100 non-profit organizations but Silicon Valley tec
> companies.
>
>
> http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2017/02/06/
> 17-35105%20amicus%20tech%20companies.pdf
>
>
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of
> Robert Fernandez 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:09:07 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics
>
> >The world is not San Francisco.
>
> That's rather dismissive of those of us who have nothing to do with
> San Francisco.   You complain about the WMF not listening to voices in
> the community but you ignore a large part of that community who
> disagrees with you.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter 
> wrote:
> > The
> > people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent
> the
> > Wikimedia movement.
> >
> >
> > The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the Trump
> administration are not representative of the Wikimedia movement either...
> they have been WMF employees and those closest to them. This is maybe why
> most non-profits hire EDs from outside the organization then from within.
> As you show, Gerard, there has been no effort to find out what the movement
> thinks, and that may have been those behind the statement and amicus brief
> just assumed everybody would agree with them. The world is not San
> Francisco.
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf
> of Gerard Meijssen 
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:51:24 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics
> >
> > Hoi,
> > As far as I am concerned, the WMF is not democratic. It does not matter.
> > What does matter is that people only care about their own arguments and
> are
> > not willing to entertain the considerations of others. While to some
> extend
> > policies are worthwhile at the same time they prevent people from
> thinking.
> > The consequence of the conversation being in English and the location of
> > many of the "policies" is that English Wikipedia is over represented. It
> is
> > however less than 50% of our traffic and you would not consider this from
> > the demands put forward by this community. At the same time my perception
> > is that all our communities think they are inherently superior and
> because
> > of their policies refuse to collaborate with others. Wikidata is what I
> > most closely associate with and they refuse to collaborate with non
> > professional communities because there are errors in their work.
> Obviously
> > self reflection is lacking.
> >
> > Similar observations are possible for all the Wikipedia communities I
> know.
> >
> > When we consider the world outside of our movement; we have been quite
> > happy to condemn actions by the Chinese government. Now that the US
> > American negatively impacts the WMF workforce and the ability for people
> to
> > come to the WMF office people object that they are not consulted. Again,
> we
> > are not a democracy and the "policies" have to function in the real
> world.
> > In the real world our director and our board are allowed and do as the
> > situation requires. In the real world two lawyers with experience in this
> > field indicate that action indeed needs to be taken now. Hallelujah.
> >
> > The WMF is not a member organisation. Chapters are. Chapters however do
> not
> > represent our projects and consequently they have no direct impact on the
> > WMF itself. Consensus while admirable does not mean representation. The
> > people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent
> the
> > Wikimedia movement. As it is, the current situation 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VIDEO: What is Creative Commons?

[Sailesh Patnaik]

Thank you, Victor.
This is really helpful!!
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 at 10:00 PM, Amy Elder  wrote:

> Great, Victor! I appreciate these links and will add to our r*ecruiter
>
> toolbox of useful links* to reference as we speak with candidates. Good
>
> stuff.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Victor Grigas 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
>
> >
>
> > If you have ever spent time explaining what Creative Commons is to a
>
> > 'civilian', this is designed to explain the basics in 1:23
>
> >
>
> > Wikimedia Commons:
>
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:What_is_Creative_Commons%3F.webm
>
> > YouTube:
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPZTh2NKTm4
>
> > Vimeo:
>
> > https://vimeo.com/202862112
>
> > Twitter
>
> > https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/828993397855776769
>
> > Facebook:
>
> > https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia/videos/vb.
>
> > 33138223345/10154872143383346/
>
> > ?type=3
>
> >
>
> >
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] VIDEO: What is Creative Commons?

[Amy Elder]

Great, Victor! I appreciate these links and will add to our r*ecruiter
toolbox of useful links* to reference as we speak with candidates. Good
stuff.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Victor Grigas  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> If you have ever spent time explaining what Creative Commons is to a
> 'civilian', this is designed to explain the basics in 1:23
>
> Wikimedia Commons:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:What_is_Creative_Commons%3F.webm
> YouTube:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPZTh2NKTm4
> Vimeo:
> https://vimeo.com/202862112
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/828993397855776769
> Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia/videos/vb.
> 33138223345/10154872143383346/
> ?type=3
>
>
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>
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[Wikimedia-l] VIDEO: What is Creative Commons?

[Victor Grigas]

Hi everyone,

If you have ever spent time explaining what Creative Commons is to a
'civilian', this is designed to explain the basics in 1:23

Wikimedia Commons:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:What_is_Creative_Commons%3F.webm
YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPZTh2NKTm4
Vimeo:
https://vimeo.com/202862112
Twitter
https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/828993397855776769
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia/videos/vb.33138223345/10154872143383346/
?type=3


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
What is your point? These companies have the same problem we face. Are
companies bad because they are companies?

NB we have it worse because many of our contributors cannot come to our
only office either.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 7 February 2017 at 15:41, Leigh Thelmadatter 
wrote:

> And yet, here is the amicus brief signed by the Wikimedia Foundation,
> along with, not nearly 100 non-profit organizations but Silicon Valley tec
> companies.
>
>
> http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2017/02/06/
> 17-35105%20amicus%20tech%20companies.pdf
>
>
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of
> Robert Fernandez 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:09:07 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics
>
> >The world is not San Francisco.
>
> That's rather dismissive of those of us who have nothing to do with
> San Francisco.   You complain about the WMF not listening to voices in
> the community but you ignore a large part of that community who
> disagrees with you.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter 
> wrote:
> > The
> > people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent
> the
> > Wikimedia movement.
> >
> >
> > The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the Trump
> administration are not representative of the Wikimedia movement either...
> they have been WMF employees and those closest to them. This is maybe why
> most non-profits hire EDs from outside the organization then from within.
> As you show, Gerard, there has been no effort to find out what the movement
> thinks, and that may have been those behind the statement and amicus brief
> just assumed everybody would agree with them. The world is not San
> Francisco.
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf
> of Gerard Meijssen 
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:51:24 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics
> >
> > Hoi,
> > As far as I am concerned, the WMF is not democratic. It does not matter.
> > What does matter is that people only care about their own arguments and
> are
> > not willing to entertain the considerations of others. While to some
> extend
> > policies are worthwhile at the same time they prevent people from
> thinking.
> > The consequence of the conversation being in English and the location of
> > many of the "policies" is that English Wikipedia is over represented. It
> is
> > however less than 50% of our traffic and you would not consider this from
> > the demands put forward by this community. At the same time my perception
> > is that all our communities think they are inherently superior and
> because
> > of their policies refuse to collaborate with others. Wikidata is what I
> > most closely associate with and they refuse to collaborate with non
> > professional communities because there are errors in their work.
> Obviously
> > self reflection is lacking.
> >
> > Similar observations are possible for all the Wikipedia communities I
> know.
> >
> > When we consider the world outside of our movement; we have been quite
> > happy to condemn actions by the Chinese government. Now that the US
> > American negatively impacts the WMF workforce and the ability for people
> to
> > come to the WMF office people object that they are not consulted. Again,
> we
> > are not a democracy and the "policies" have to function in the real
> world.
> > In the real world our director and our board are allowed and do as the
> > situation requires. In the real world two lawyers with experience in this
> > field indicate that action indeed needs to be taken now. Hallelujah.
> >
> > The WMF is not a member organisation. Chapters are. Chapters however do
> not
> > represent our projects and consequently they have no direct impact on the
> > WMF itself. Consensus while admirable does not mean representation. The
> > people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent
> the
> > Wikimedia movement. As it is, the current situation where we have a board
> > that reflects the international composition of our movement does really
> > well. They do consider the thoughts of the community but if anything they
> > are also stifling what we do with too many well meant policies that are
> > seen as law.
> >
> > Rules, guidelines even laws are a necessity. But they have a tendency to
> > empower those with the loudest voice and they favour the incumbent. The
> > current US government has a disdain for the law and as a consequence this
> > invalidates the normal use of rules, guidelines and even laws. They are
> > invalidated because the attention to what happens is as immediate as the
> > pace whereby new ukazes are issued.
> >
> > If anything we are blessed with a board and a director who seek 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Leigh Thelmadatter]

And yet, here is the amicus brief signed by the Wikimedia Foundation, along 
with, not nearly 100 non-profit organizations but Silicon Valley tec companies.


http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2017/02/06/17-35105%20amicus%20tech%20companies.pdf



From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Robert 
Fernandez 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:09:07 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

>The world is not San Francisco.

That's rather dismissive of those of us who have nothing to do with
San Francisco.   You complain about the WMF not listening to voices in
the community but you ignore a large part of that community who
disagrees with you.


On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter  wrote:
> The
> people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the
> Wikimedia movement.
>
>
> The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the Trump 
> administration are not representative of the Wikimedia movement either... 
> they have been WMF employees and those closest to them. This is maybe why 
> most non-profits hire EDs from outside the organization then from within. As 
> you show, Gerard, there has been no effort to find out what the movement 
> thinks, and that may have been those behind the statement and amicus brief 
> just assumed everybody would agree with them. The world is not San Francisco.
>
>
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of 
> Gerard Meijssen 
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:51:24 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics
>
> Hoi,
> As far as I am concerned, the WMF is not democratic. It does not matter.
> What does matter is that people only care about their own arguments and are
> not willing to entertain the considerations of others. While to some extend
> policies are worthwhile at the same time they prevent people from thinking.
> The consequence of the conversation being in English and the location of
> many of the "policies" is that English Wikipedia is over represented. It is
> however less than 50% of our traffic and you would not consider this from
> the demands put forward by this community. At the same time my perception
> is that all our communities think they are inherently superior and because
> of their policies refuse to collaborate with others. Wikidata is what I
> most closely associate with and they refuse to collaborate with non
> professional communities because there are errors in their work. Obviously
> self reflection is lacking.
>
> Similar observations are possible for all the Wikipedia communities I know.
>
> When we consider the world outside of our movement; we have been quite
> happy to condemn actions by the Chinese government. Now that the US
> American negatively impacts the WMF workforce and the ability for people to
> come to the WMF office people object that they are not consulted. Again, we
> are not a democracy and the "policies" have to function in the real world.
> In the real world our director and our board are allowed and do as the
> situation requires. In the real world two lawyers with experience in this
> field indicate that action indeed needs to be taken now. Hallelujah.
>
> The WMF is not a member organisation. Chapters are. Chapters however do not
> represent our projects and consequently they have no direct impact on the
> WMF itself. Consensus while admirable does not mean representation. The
> people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the
> Wikimedia movement. As it is, the current situation where we have a board
> that reflects the international composition of our movement does really
> well. They do consider the thoughts of the community but if anything they
> are also stifling what we do with too many well meant policies that are
> seen as law.
>
> Rules, guidelines even laws are a necessity. But they have a tendency to
> empower those with the loudest voice and they favour the incumbent. The
> current US government has a disdain for the law and as a consequence this
> invalidates the normal use of rules, guidelines and even laws. They are
> invalidated because the attention to what happens is as immediate as the
> pace whereby new ukazes are issued.
>
> If anything we are blessed with a board and a director who seek to inform,
> to connect to our communities and stay as close as possible to our general
> practice. They think and they react to a different world.. Again we face a
> world where much of our accomplishments are squandered to benefit those who
> are the real people / organisations behind the current US government. I am
> happy that I still may vote in the Dutch elections I hope for a different
> outcome in the Netherlands.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 6 February 2017 at 18:13, Adam 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Robert Fernandez]

>The world is not San Francisco.

That's rather dismissive of those of us who have nothing to do with
San Francisco.   You complain about the WMF not listening to voices in
the community but you ignore a large part of that community who
disagrees with you.


On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter  wrote:
> The
> people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the
> Wikimedia movement.
>
>
> The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the Trump 
> administration are not representative of the Wikimedia movement either... 
> they have been WMF employees and those closest to them. This is maybe why 
> most non-profits hire EDs from outside the organization then from within. As 
> you show, Gerard, there has been no effort to find out what the movement 
> thinks, and that may have been those behind the statement and amicus brief 
> just assumed everybody would agree with them. The world is not San Francisco.
>
>
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of 
> Gerard Meijssen 
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:51:24 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics
>
> Hoi,
> As far as I am concerned, the WMF is not democratic. It does not matter.
> What does matter is that people only care about their own arguments and are
> not willing to entertain the considerations of others. While to some extend
> policies are worthwhile at the same time they prevent people from thinking.
> The consequence of the conversation being in English and the location of
> many of the "policies" is that English Wikipedia is over represented. It is
> however less than 50% of our traffic and you would not consider this from
> the demands put forward by this community. At the same time my perception
> is that all our communities think they are inherently superior and because
> of their policies refuse to collaborate with others. Wikidata is what I
> most closely associate with and they refuse to collaborate with non
> professional communities because there are errors in their work. Obviously
> self reflection is lacking.
>
> Similar observations are possible for all the Wikipedia communities I know.
>
> When we consider the world outside of our movement; we have been quite
> happy to condemn actions by the Chinese government. Now that the US
> American negatively impacts the WMF workforce and the ability for people to
> come to the WMF office people object that they are not consulted. Again, we
> are not a democracy and the "policies" have to function in the real world.
> In the real world our director and our board are allowed and do as the
> situation requires. In the real world two lawyers with experience in this
> field indicate that action indeed needs to be taken now. Hallelujah.
>
> The WMF is not a member organisation. Chapters are. Chapters however do not
> represent our projects and consequently they have no direct impact on the
> WMF itself. Consensus while admirable does not mean representation. The
> people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the
> Wikimedia movement. As it is, the current situation where we have a board
> that reflects the international composition of our movement does really
> well. They do consider the thoughts of the community but if anything they
> are also stifling what we do with too many well meant policies that are
> seen as law.
>
> Rules, guidelines even laws are a necessity. But they have a tendency to
> empower those with the loudest voice and they favour the incumbent. The
> current US government has a disdain for the law and as a consequence this
> invalidates the normal use of rules, guidelines and even laws. They are
> invalidated because the attention to what happens is as immediate as the
> pace whereby new ukazes are issued.
>
> If anything we are blessed with a board and a director who seek to inform,
> to connect to our communities and stay as close as possible to our general
> practice. They think and they react to a different world.. Again we face a
> world where much of our accomplishments are squandered to benefit those who
> are the real people / organisations behind the current US government. I am
> happy that I still may vote in the Dutch elections I hope for a different
> outcome in the Netherlands.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 6 February 2017 at 18:13, Adam Wight  wrote:
>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> As wonderful as it is to see this discussion unfold, showing how many of us
>> care deeply about humanism and the movement's impact in the material world,
>> I'd like to observe that it also demonstrates how underdeveloped our
>> movement-wide political processes are.  To my understanding, our tools
>> consist of: a small group interested in participating in this mailing list,
>> a small group who attends to metawiki, and an infrequent meeting of
>> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Christophe Henner]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter 
wrote:

> The
> people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the
> Wikimedia movement.
>
>
> The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the Trump
> administration are not representative of the Wikimedia movement either...
> they have been WMF employees and those closest to them. This is maybe why
> most non-profits hire EDs from outside the organization then from within.
> As you show, Gerard, there has been no effort to find out what the movement
> thinks, and that may have been those behind the statement and amicus brief
> just assumed everybody would agree with them. The world is not San
> Francisco.
>
>


Hi,

I'm sorry but I cannot let that being said.

You are judging a lot of people quickly and harshly. The Wikimedia movement
employees all around the globe ARE wikimedians. They are part of the
movement as much as you and everyone in that thread is.

I am sorry, but your statement is definitly not ok. Being a volunteer
doesn't provide us with a bonus in engagement to our movement. They are
comited and engaged people, we have to respect that.

Second, you also pass judgement regarding our ED discreetly, again judging
without knowing. But Katherine is not where she is by chance but because it
is preceded by a long comitment to our values. Shall I remind you that back
in 2007 in another org, UNICEF, she was working on mediawiki. Looping back
to the first part actually, she was a wikimedian long before being an
employee, and that goes for a lot of the staff, not just her.

Finally, no the world is not San Francisco. And funnily enoug, in the board
there's only one person from San Francisco and two from the US (the second
being Jimmy and he no longer lives in the US). So you are definitly right,
the world is not San Francisco. It's much wider. And being able for the
movement's staff and volunteers to freely travel and exchange is key to our
success. Hence our standing regarding that specific Executive Order as it
prevents us, as an organization, and as a movement, to fullfill our
mission.

I am sorry if my email sounds harsh, but please do keep in mind that you're
passing a judgement on people that work countless hours with a huge
comitment to the movement they belong to.

Christophe
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I do not care about Mr Trump, I care about what it means for us, for our
community and the employees of the WMF. You are right the world is not San
Francisco. It is why I do not bother you with my thoughts about my opinion
about him.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 7 February 2017 at 13:49, Leigh Thelmadatter 
wrote:

> The
> people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the
> Wikimedia movement.
>
>
> The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the Trump
> administration are not representative of the Wikimedia movement either...
> they have been WMF employees and those closest to them. This is maybe why
> most non-profits hire EDs from outside the organization then from within.
> As you show, Gerard, there has been no effort to find out what the movement
> thinks, and that may have been those behind the statement and amicus brief
> just assumed everybody would agree with them. The world is not San
> Francisco.
>
>
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of
> Gerard Meijssen 
> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:51:24 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics
>
> Hoi,
> As far as I am concerned, the WMF is not democratic. It does not matter.
> What does matter is that people only care about their own arguments and are
> not willing to entertain the considerations of others. While to some extend
> policies are worthwhile at the same time they prevent people from thinking.
> The consequence of the conversation being in English and the location of
> many of the "policies" is that English Wikipedia is over represented. It is
> however less than 50% of our traffic and you would not consider this from
> the demands put forward by this community. At the same time my perception
> is that all our communities think they are inherently superior and because
> of their policies refuse to collaborate with others. Wikidata is what I
> most closely associate with and they refuse to collaborate with non
> professional communities because there are errors in their work. Obviously
> self reflection is lacking.
>
> Similar observations are possible for all the Wikipedia communities I know.
>
> When we consider the world outside of our movement; we have been quite
> happy to condemn actions by the Chinese government. Now that the US
> American negatively impacts the WMF workforce and the ability for people to
> come to the WMF office people object that they are not consulted. Again, we
> are not a democracy and the "policies" have to function in the real world.
> In the real world our director and our board are allowed and do as the
> situation requires. In the real world two lawyers with experience in this
> field indicate that action indeed needs to be taken now. Hallelujah.
>
> The WMF is not a member organisation. Chapters are. Chapters however do not
> represent our projects and consequently they have no direct impact on the
> WMF itself. Consensus while admirable does not mean representation. The
> people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the
> Wikimedia movement. As it is, the current situation where we have a board
> that reflects the international composition of our movement does really
> well. They do consider the thoughts of the community but if anything they
> are also stifling what we do with too many well meant policies that are
> seen as law.
>
> Rules, guidelines even laws are a necessity. But they have a tendency to
> empower those with the loudest voice and they favour the incumbent. The
> current US government has a disdain for the law and as a consequence this
> invalidates the normal use of rules, guidelines and even laws. They are
> invalidated because the attention to what happens is as immediate as the
> pace whereby new ukazes are issued.
>
> If anything we are blessed with a board and a director who seek to inform,
> to connect to our communities and stay as close as possible to our general
> practice. They think and they react to a different world.. Again we face a
> world where much of our accomplishments are squandered to benefit those who
> are the real people / organisations behind the current US government. I am
> happy that I still may vote in the Dutch elections I hope for a different
> outcome in the Netherlands.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 6 February 2017 at 18:13, Adam Wight  wrote:
>
> > Dear friends,
> >
> > As wonderful as it is to see this discussion unfold, showing how many of
> us
> > care deeply about humanism and the movement's impact in the material
> world,
> > I'd like to observe that it also demonstrates how underdeveloped our
> > movement-wide political processes are.  To my understanding, our tools
> > consist of: a small group interested in participating in this mailing
> list,
> > a small group who attends to metawiki, and an infrequent meeting 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

[Leigh Thelmadatter]

The
people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the
Wikimedia movement.


The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the Trump administration 
are not representative of the Wikimedia movement either... they have been WMF 
employees and those closest to them. This is maybe why most non-profits hire 
EDs from outside the organization then from within. As you show, Gerard, there 
has been no effort to find out what the movement thinks, and that may have been 
those behind the statement and amicus brief just assumed everybody would agree 
with them. The world is not San Francisco.



From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Gerard 
Meijssen 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:51:24 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

Hoi,
As far as I am concerned, the WMF is not democratic. It does not matter.
What does matter is that people only care about their own arguments and are
not willing to entertain the considerations of others. While to some extend
policies are worthwhile at the same time they prevent people from thinking.
The consequence of the conversation being in English and the location of
many of the "policies" is that English Wikipedia is over represented. It is
however less than 50% of our traffic and you would not consider this from
the demands put forward by this community. At the same time my perception
is that all our communities think they are inherently superior and because
of their policies refuse to collaborate with others. Wikidata is what I
most closely associate with and they refuse to collaborate with non
professional communities because there are errors in their work. Obviously
self reflection is lacking.

Similar observations are possible for all the Wikipedia communities I know.

When we consider the world outside of our movement; we have been quite
happy to condemn actions by the Chinese government. Now that the US
American negatively impacts the WMF workforce and the ability for people to
come to the WMF office people object that they are not consulted. Again, we
are not a democracy and the "policies" have to function in the real world.
In the real world our director and our board are allowed and do as the
situation requires. In the real world two lawyers with experience in this
field indicate that action indeed needs to be taken now. Hallelujah.

The WMF is not a member organisation. Chapters are. Chapters however do not
represent our projects and consequently they have no direct impact on the
WMF itself. Consensus while admirable does not mean representation. The
people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the
Wikimedia movement. As it is, the current situation where we have a board
that reflects the international composition of our movement does really
well. They do consider the thoughts of the community but if anything they
are also stifling what we do with too many well meant policies that are
seen as law.

Rules, guidelines even laws are a necessity. But they have a tendency to
empower those with the loudest voice and they favour the incumbent. The
current US government has a disdain for the law and as a consequence this
invalidates the normal use of rules, guidelines and even laws. They are
invalidated because the attention to what happens is as immediate as the
pace whereby new ukazes are issued.

If anything we are blessed with a board and a director who seek to inform,
to connect to our communities and stay as close as possible to our general
practice. They think and they react to a different world.. Again we face a
world where much of our accomplishments are squandered to benefit those who
are the real people / organisations behind the current US government. I am
happy that I still may vote in the Dutch elections I hope for a different
outcome in the Netherlands.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 6 February 2017 at 18:13, Adam Wight  wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> As wonderful as it is to see this discussion unfold, showing how many of us
> care deeply about humanism and the movement's impact in the material world,
> I'd like to observe that it also demonstrates how underdeveloped our
> movement-wide political processes are.  To my understanding, our tools
> consist of: a small group interested in participating in this mailing list,
> a small group who attends to metawiki, and an infrequent meeting of
> chapters.
>
> It seems that all of these venues are frustrated by a lack of real power,
> and Wikimedia-l in particular has the character of a pirate radio station
> or underground newspaper rather than a place where we can build consensus.
> There's certainly some value in the oppositional and antiestablishment
> perspective that comes out of this arrangement, but perhaps we're missing
> out on the benefits that would come from a fully-developed democracy?
>
> One alternative approach 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
When we learned that one of our own was in a prison in Syria, we could not
care less. A lot of words were spend on expressing how sad it was but no,
we could do nothing about this because this would be "political".

For me it is proof how little we as a community care about our own. For me
the same is valid for the employees who either can no longer go home or can
no longer come to our office. People object because either "it is politics"
or "we have not been consulted. As far as I am concerned, when Jimmy was to
think of Wikipedia in these days, our office would be in London. We are an
international organisation and what happens in the USA is only relevant for
the effect it has on our activities.

We are going to spend money on fighting the "others" but I fear that the
effect of arming the fight will only make for more collateral damage. In
the official documentation it is all about tooling and there is little on
how it will be discovered how we can defang the battle.

These things go together. When on the one hand we do not care about our
own, we are likely to ignore collateral damage and retract even more behind
the walls that we have build around ourselves.

NB this is posted because "there was no argument".. It is really clever to
disagree when you have not seen the argument.

Thanks,
   GerardM

On 7 February 2017 at 08:59, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> On 02/06/2017 11:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
>> 
>> The huha with no banner for Bassel has cost our community because it has
>> proven that we do not care about our own.
>> Thanks,
>>GerardM
>>
>
> Gerard,
>
> You may of course continue to assert what the "huha with no banner"
> proves. I happen to disagree, but you present no argument, so I will leave
> it at that.
>
> However, other readers may wish to assess your assertion against the
> evidence. Here is the discussion I think you mean; to my eyes, it proves no
> such thing. (And for whatever it's worth, my vote was in favor of a banner.)
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel/Banner/Straw_poll
>
> -Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] MediaWiki project

[OhNoitsJamie 1]

Imposter? Are you freaking serious? How was I (a new WMF user) supposed to
know that there was another OhNoitsJamie somewhere in the 800 wikis
mentioned? Sorry about that, if I am indeed using a name that is used
elsewhere.

- Jamie

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:47 PM Newyorkbrad  wrote:

> I suspect that this was posted not by OhNoItsJamie but by an imposter.
>
> Newyorkbrad
>
>
>
> On 2/6/17, OhNoitsJamie 1  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been long interested in starting my own MediaWiki project, but the
> > issue is that I cannot maintain server infrastructure myself. Also, most
> of
> > the MediaWiki hosting services listed do not meet my requirements.
> > Therefore, I was wondering if the WMF would consider starting a new
> project
> > that I could be founder of. I'm open to a variety of topics, please let
> me
> > know what you would prefer.
> >
> > Thank you for your time,
> > Jamie
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

[Pete Forsyth]

On 02/06/2017 11:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:


The huha with no banner for Bassel has cost our community because it has
proven that we do not care about our own.
Thanks,
   GerardM


Gerard,

You may of course continue to assert what the "huha with no banner" 
proves. I happen to disagree, but you present no argument, so I will 
leave it at that.


However, other readers may wish to assess your assertion against the 
evidence. Here is the discussion I think you mean; to my eyes, it proves 
no such thing. (And for whatever it's worth, my vote was in favor of a 
banner.)


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel/Banner/Straw_poll

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]

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