[WISPA] 5Mbps+ 900Mhz radios

[Mario Pommier]

Has anyone else gotten this link?

http://www.wirelessinteractive.com/pdf/radios/Orion900_specs.pdf

The downside is of course the large amount of spectrum needed to achieve 
higher throughputs.  However, it seems attractive if you're in an area 
that is interference free.


Anyone used Wireless Interactive equipment?
Comments?

Thanks.

Mario


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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Less than 100 you mean?

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:


Jory,

I think you hit the nail on the head there.  Does anyone know if there 
is a program for ISPs <1 subs?

Inquiring minds want to know.  :^)

Matt Larsen
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Jory Privett wrote:

As all of this is a  great thing that I would like to be part of,  I 
do not think it will ever happen.  If I remember correctly from an 
earlier post you have to have 10,000+ subs before they will let you 
participate.  This counts me out as well as the large majority of the 
people on this list, unless Adzilla lowers this number or allows 
groups (such as WISPA) to be counted together.
 
Jory Privett

WCCS
 






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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[John Scrivner]

Some of the ads that flow through now are able to be inserted over with 
local ads you can sell (legally and with permission from all involved). 
This, again, mirrors the cable television ad insertion strategy. Those 
ads can be replaced by ads you can sell in your market and all the 
players involved will be compensated and will bless the act of inserting 
over some other random ads. The reason is simple. Focused and targeted 
ads sell for more than just random broad spectrum ads. The better we get 
at being involved in the ad sales and insertion process, the more 
valuable this medium for advertising will become. Localizing ads for the 
Internet is a really big deal. I was in cable television before ad 
insertion and watched it move into the cable business. At first ads 
would sell for peanuts, just like banners do now. Over time it added a 
massive amount of revenue to the cable operator bottom line and 
continues to grow to this day. ISP ad insertion will be the same model, 
growing, maturing and increasing in dollars into your business.

Scriv


Eric DaVersa wrote:


You do not have to sell a thing. It’s a real time automated transaction.

If you did want to sell or send communications messaging, you have a 
GUI tool for insertion.


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**NetLogix**

OFFICE: 858.764.1998

CELL: 858.245.6702

FAX: 858.764.1982

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-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*On Behalf Of *Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

*Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:28 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

OK, I understand the concept.

It looks to me though, that most of the time we'll not have the right 
to change page content. Even though it's being delivered over our medium.


So I couldn't replace Ford car ads that no one here cares about and 
insert the local Napa ads that they do care about.


I can't see this as a viable thing if I can't find a way to sell local 
advertising that would show up whenever someone went to MSN or Yahoo 
or Google or whatever.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!
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- Original Message -

*From:* Frank Muto 

*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ; WISPA General
List 

*Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:05 PM

*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

Blair, I feel your concern is a valid one.

This is a basic twist of the walled network e.g., AOL uses. As
within AOL's network portal and browser they would have their paid
advertisers' shown. As a dialup provider (97-2002), we did the
same thing using our own portal and custom browser of which the
user would use. Our free-based users would be locked into the
portal but our paid users would not be. If they went outside our
portal using their browser of choice, we did not control their end
destination. Our TOS spelled out these terms.

Steering a customer away from a company's website like Amazon.com
and redirecting the HTTP request through an affiliate channel, is
not good practice in my opinion. I'm not saying this is the case
in point, but there are companies like Zango, 180 Solutions and
others that do this and cost many affiliates commissions when the
software, (e.g., P2P) or bundled software is installed on the
customers machine using various methods, such as an Active-X
pop-up asking the user to install certain software.

For an example, we fight click fraud everyday that use these
methods. When a user does a search on say Google and clicks on an
affiliate link, the user is redirected to another affiliate who
would get the sale if the customer purchased the advertised item
or paid for the lead generation.

Frank Muto
President/CEO
FSM Marketing Group, Inc

- Original Message -

*From:* Blair Davis 

If I publish a web page, who are you to modify it before
displaying it to a user?

I'd start getting annoyed if my web page displayed differently
depending on whose network it flows thru

I also feel that this is a bad idea in general because I think
it could end up weakening the 'safe harbor' provisions that
protect us from liability over data content. We are not
censors. Beyond the monitoring needed to assure network
integrity, we do not monitor or censor our users in any way
and we do not plan to.

IMO, we should not modify the data flowing to the user in any
way without the expr

Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

We have been running Rodopi for almost 8 years now. It works great and
we have never had a problem.

Travis
Microserv

G.Villarini wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Any info on the pro and
cons of both billing platforms ?
   
  Gino A. Villarini, 
  Aeronet Wireless
Broadband Corp.
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.aeronetpr.com
  787.273.4143
   
  



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[WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus

[G.Villarini]

Any info on the pro and cons of both billing platforms ?

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[Jonathan Schmidt]

What 
about something that works like this, instead?
(I 
think you have to push the demo button to see it)

http://www.publicwifiproject.org/anysitehpt2.htm
. . . j o n a t h a 
n

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 
  982-2181Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:28 PMTo: WISPA 
  General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue 
  Streams
  OK, I understand the concept.
   
  It looks to me though, that most of the time 
  we'll not have the right to change page content.  Even though it's being 
  delivered over our medium.
   
  So I couldn't replace Ford car ads that no one 
  here cares about and insert the local Napa ads that they do care 
  about.
   
  I can't see this as a viable thing if I can't 
  find a way to sell local advertising that would show up whenever someone went 
  to MSN or Yahoo or Google or whatever.
   
  Marlon(509) 
  982-2181   
  Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
  (Vonage)    
  Consulting services42846865 
  (icq)    
  And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
   
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Frank 
Muto 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General 
List 
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:05 
PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & 
Revenue Streams

Blair, I feel your concern is a valid 
one.
 
This is a basic twist of the walled network 
e.g., AOL uses. As within AOL's network portal and browser they would have 
their paid advertisers' shown. As a dialup provider (97-2002), we did the 
same thing using our own portal and custom browser of which the user would 
use. Our free-based users would be locked into the portal but our paid users 
would not be. If they went outside our portal using their browser of 
choice, we did not control their end destination. Our TOS spelled out these 
terms. 
 
Steering a customer away from a company's 
website like Amazon.com and redirecting the HTTP request through an 
affiliate channel, is not good practice in my opinion. I'm not saying this 
is the case in point, but there are companies like Zango, 180 Solutions and 
others that do this and cost many affiliates commissions when the software, 
(e.g., P2P) or bundled software is installed on the customers machine 
using various methods, such as an Active-X pop-up asking the user to install 
certain software.
 
For an example, we fight click fraud everyday 
that use these methods. When a user does a search on say Google and clicks 
on an affiliate link, the user is redirected to another affiliate who would 
get the sale if the customer purchased the advertised item or paid for the 
lead generation. 
 
 
 
 
Frank MutoPresident/CEOFSM Marketing 
Group, Inc
 
 
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Blair Davis 
  
  If I publish a web page, who 
  are you to modify it before displaying it to a user?I'd start 
  getting annoyed if my web page displayed differently depending on whose 
  network it flows thruI also feel that this is a bad idea in 
  general because I think it could end up weakening the 'safe harbor' 
  provisions that protect us from liability over data content.  We are 
  not censors.  Beyond the monitoring needed to assure network 
  integrity, we do not monitor or censor our users in any way and we do not 
  plan to.IMO, we should not modify the data flowing to the user in 
  any way without the express, informed consent of the user.  If a user 
  wants you to censor, modify or block  pages, fine  if you 
  wish to offer that service.  For liability reasons, we choose not 
  to.Eric DaVersa wrote:
  Agreed, but there is a free lunch...for the web publishers and ad
servers you allow to sell over your pipes.  

Take the old example of the Internet as a highway.  You've built a
highway (your wireless network) and people (your customers) pay to drive
on it.  Along the way there are billboard advertisements (web ads.)  

You collect nothing from the billboards that people view.  In essence,
the advertisers get a free lunch from your highway.

Adzilla basically gives you the opportunity to place your own billboards
in front of those existing billboards so that you, as the highway
operator, can receive a revenue share.

Mark, I don't mean to pick on you here and I apologize if my replies
come off as arrogant or inappropriate in any way.  I appreciate your
questioning and "devil's advocate" approach.  These lists are certainly
good for digging through the facts.

Peter R. sent an email for those interested in participating in a
webinar.  Also, an Adzilla exec will be at WISPNOG.

Res

Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

OK, I understand the concept.
 
It looks to me though, that most of the time we'll 
not have the right to change page content.  Even though it's being 
delivered over our medium.
 
So I couldn't replace Ford car ads that no one here 
cares about and insert the local Napa ads that they do care about.
 
I can't see this as a viable thing if I can't find 
a way to sell local advertising that would show up whenever someone went to MSN 
or Yahoo or Google or whatever.
 
Marlon(509) 
982-2181   
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage)    
Consulting services42846865 
(icq)    
And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Frank 
  Muto 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General 
  List 
  Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:05 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & 
  Revenue Streams
  
  Blair, I feel your concern is a valid 
  one.
   
  This is a basic twist of the walled network e.g., 
  AOL uses. As within AOL's network portal and browser they would have their 
  paid advertisers' shown. As a dialup provider (97-2002), we did the same thing 
  using our own portal and custom browser of which the user would use. Our 
  free-based users would be locked into the portal but our paid users would not 
  be. If they went outside our portal using their browser of choice, we did 
  not control their end destination. Our TOS spelled out these terms. 
  
   
  Steering a customer away from a company's website 
  like Amazon.com and redirecting the HTTP request through an affiliate 
  channel, is not good practice in my opinion. I'm not saying this is the case 
  in point, but there are companies like Zango, 180 Solutions and others that do 
  this and cost many affiliates commissions when the software, (e.g., P2P) or 
  bundled software is installed on the customers machine using various 
  methods, such as an Active-X pop-up asking the user to install certain 
  software.
   
  For an example, we fight click fraud everyday 
  that use these methods. When a user does a search on say Google and clicks on 
  an affiliate link, the user is redirected to another affiliate who would get 
  the sale if the customer purchased the advertised item or paid for the lead 
  generation. 
   
   
   
   
  Frank MutoPresident/CEOFSM Marketing 
  Group, Inc
   
   
   
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Blair Davis 

If I publish a web page, who 
are you to modify it before displaying it to a user?I'd start 
getting annoyed if my web page displayed differently depending on whose 
network it flows thruI also feel that this is a bad idea in 
general because I think it could end up weakening the 'safe harbor' 
provisions that protect us from liability over data content.  We are 
not censors.  Beyond the monitoring needed to assure network integrity, 
we do not monitor or censor our users in any way and we do not plan 
to.IMO, we should not modify the data flowing to the user in any way 
without the express, informed consent of the user.  If a user wants you 
to censor, modify or block  pages, fine  if you wish to offer 
that service.  For liability reasons, we choose not to.Eric 
DaVersa wrote:
Agreed, but there is a free lunch...for the web publishers and ad
servers you allow to sell over your pipes.  

Take the old example of the Internet as a highway.  You've built a
highway (your wireless network) and people (your customers) pay to drive
on it.  Along the way there are billboard advertisements (web ads.)  

You collect nothing from the billboards that people view.  In essence,
the advertisers get a free lunch from your highway.

Adzilla basically gives you the opportunity to place your own billboards
in front of those existing billboards so that you, as the highway
operator, can receive a revenue share.

Mark, I don't mean to pick on you here and I apologize if my replies
come off as arrogant or inappropriate in any way.  I appreciate your
questioning and "devil's advocate" approach.  These lists are certainly
good for digging through the facts.

Peter R. sent an email for those interested in participating in a
webinar.  Also, an Adzilla exec will be at WISPNOG.

Respectfully,

Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


"There is no free lunch."

this is the most concise, most accurate, and wisest words ever spoken,
on
the subject of economics.



North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales 

RE: $ drop on EVDO HSDPA etc... Re: [WISPA] Is it worth the time andmoney?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Well, we were demonstrating at CableLabs last week and the Internet
service to the demo tables was so bad the first two days that we
tried to resort to the Sprint card in the laptop...ha!  All Sprint
had was the snail's pace slow stuff...completely useless.  Of course,
that was in the center of Colorado Springs...perhaps New York City
would have been better.
. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: $ drop on EVDO HSDPA etc... Re: [WISPA] Is it worth the time
andmoney?


Guys, i heard a rumor that by the time Cingular rolls out HSDPA across
the country, Verizon will reduce their EVDO prices.not a huge
revelation BUT the implications are pretty big...

before wimax has a real chance to root, the cell carriers will likely
have stolen most of the early market share.

Besides.. .sprint is allready selling evdo 580 cards without a
nationwide footprint disclosure.

so... looks to me like the carriers have broad control... anything i am
missing?

bob
http://wirelessinternetcoverage.com



On 5/2/05, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Broadband is worthy of an install fee and reasonable monthly service
> fees so why is this even an issue to discuss? I have plenty of takers at
> $250 install and $40 per month. I have two guys running as fast as they
> can building POPs and installing customers. We will add about 500
> wireless customers this year if this pace continues. If Americans are
> behind then at least we are growing. Eventually everyone who needs /
> wants broadband will get it and we do not need a rush to give billions
> of dollars in federal aid to make it happen.  Let the free markets build
> where there is demand and we will all be just fine.
> Scriv
>
>
> Dawn wrote:
>
> > George,
> >
> > I assume you do not charge an install fee for dial up?
> >
> > I am not suggesting anyone lowers their price just to get customers.
> > That makes no business sense at all.
> > My point was OUR costs need to be lowered to so we charge less.
> >
> > If broadband was $10.00 a month with no install fee how many takers do
> > you think you would have?
> > (Not that I am suggesting that is any kind of target price. I am just
> > throwing this number out to make a point.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dawn
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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Jory,

I think you hit the nail on the head there.  Does anyone know if there 
is a program for ISPs <1 subs? 


Inquiring minds want to know.  :^)

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Jory Privett wrote:

As all of this is a  great thing that I would like to be part of,  I 
do not think it will ever happen.  If I remember correctly from an 
earlier post you have to have 10,000+ subs before they will let you 
participate.  This counts me out as well as the large majority of the 
people on this list, unless Adzilla lowers this number or allows 
groups (such as WISPA) to be counted together.
 
Jory Privett

WCCS
 



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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[John Scrivner]

Wrong. Adzilla works with the advertising agencies who serve these ads. 
Nothing is done without the full blessing of the content and advertising 
providers of the content. The only time a replacement happens is when 
the ad agency who serves the ads for that particular page allows for 
insertions to happen. This does not circumvent or force any advertiser 
to lose placement. This is how it has been explained to me.

Scriv


Frank Muto wrote:

Who determines the "relevancy" of the add? So what I am seeing here, 
is if I have an ad campaign with one of the web publishers mention 
below with the same product or service, the Adzilla ad would take it's 
place over our ad?

Frank Muto
President/CEO
FSM Marketing Group, Inc

- Original Message -
*From:* Eric DaVersa 
*To:* 'WISPA General List' 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:16 PM
*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

Jory is correct. No part of web content is altered as that is
copyright infringement and illegal.

The way the system works is within the existing ecosystem of the
web publishing and ad serving world. Many web publishers
(websites) establish relationships with ad servers such as 24/7
Media, Double Click, etc. because they lack the infrastructure to
sell advertising nationally. They set up automated communications
links between each other to serve ads on the websites. There’s a
financial agreement and structure based on common ad industry specs.

So in the existing world here’s how it works. Your customer clicks
on a website. A request for the content is sent to the appropriate
location where that website’s content is hosted. Within that
website are banner ads that cycle through. A request is sent (all
this in real time) from the website to their ad server partners so
that an ad can get served up. Your customer sees the ad as part of
the overall web page even though the publisher. The website makes
money off the ad and you get nothing as the ISP.

In the Adzilla world it works very much the same way, except that
on the way out of network core the http traffic request is tagged
based upon contextual relativity. In real time the Adzilla
appliance determines if the ad can be replaced if Adzilla has a
relationship with the ad server or web publisher. In essence, the
calculation asks, C/an Adzilla serve up a higher paying ad to the
ad server company?/ If so a more relevant ad is served into the
website because Adzilla has a relationship with the ad serving
company.

What Adzilla has developed is a very unique method to allow ISPs
to participate in a revenue share of ads running across their
networks. The percentage of pages surfed that can be “optimized”
is typically between 5~10% so we’re talking very minimal. But it
adds up quickly and their reach is growing.

To be quite honest, it took me a few explanations and a PowerPoint
before the light clicked on since the ad world was foreign to me.
Hope this helped explain.

Eric DaVersa

Vice-President, Business Development

**NetLogix**

OFFICE: 858.764.1998

CELL: 858.245.6702

FAX: 858.764.1982

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jory Privett
*Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:05 PM
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

I think you are not understanding the way the system works. Please
correct me if I am wrong here. This does not modify every web
page, only those pages that have the Adzilla tags in them. The
device just uses the tag to display the adds that are setup for
your area. IS this correct?

If it modified every page that a user went to you would have a lot
of unhappy customers very quickly.

Jory Privett

WCCS

- Original Message -

*From:* Blair Davis 

*To:* WISPA General List 

*Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:19 PM

*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

If I publish a web page, who are you to modify it before
displaying it to a user?

I'd start getting annoyed if my web page displayed differently
depending on whose network it flows thru

I also feel that this is a bad idea in general because I think
it could end up weakening the 'safe harbor' provisions that
protect us from liability over data content. We are not
censors. Beyond the monitoring needed to assure network
integrity, we do not monitor or censor our users in any way
and we do not plan to.

IMO, we should not modify the data flowing to the user in any
 

Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[John Scrivner]

I spent a good deal of time speaking to Martin Stewart of Adzilla today. 
Here is the way it all works.


The system has three completely different ways of presenting advertising 
or messages of any kind to customers.


First, if you are an ISP and you wish to be able to sell ads on CNN, 
Weather.com, etc. then this is the only way to go. Your cable company 
does this with the same equivalent system known as cable ad insertion. 
This is a win-win-win for all concerned. The advertising networks have 
trouble focusing ads to a given customer service area generally. With 
this system you can replace a generic  "Ford" ad on CNN.com for instance 
with the local Ford dealer in your market. The advertising company who 
sells ads for CNN gets paid, Adzilla gets paid to insert the ad, you get 
paid for selling to the local dealer and for presenting it to his 
potential customers in his local area.


It is important to note that the above option is the major strength and 
novel approach that Adzilla brings to the table above any other form of 
web advertising. In my opinion it represents the only true all around 
positive way of selling advertising online. If it works as advertised I 
am 100% sold on this concept.


Second, you can use Adzilla as a means of selling ads as banners 
inserted at the top of a web window above the content page. This is not 
something that would be appealing to most WISPs who are not wanting to 
alter the web experience for a customer. This does not mean that Adzilla 
would force this on you. You would have the option of using this second 
option or not. This would be ideal for a free hotspot area where ads 
would be the only revenue stream. I think this would work well in common 
areas, conference locations, coffee shops, etc. who wanted to offer free 
Wifi and did not mind if ads were inserted. I would consider that for a 
free hotspot area in some instances.


I can see one place where this would be a big help to my business. That 
would be for past due accounts. I would not have a problem with 
inserting a friendly past due reminder at the top of web pages as 
opposed to just turning off their service at least for a few days. I bet 
this would equate to faster payments and less non-pay disconnects.


Third, this is called interstitial insertion and is a bit aggressive. 
This option allows for content relevant pages to appear between a search 
entry and the intended page. This would give very targeted advertising 
to a potential ad client but would be intrusive beyond any comfort level 
I would have. With that said though I could see that in a walled garden 
free Wifi deployment this model would be acceptable. You could offer 
links to either ad supported free Wifi access or a credit card online 
form to buy the "no advertising" access. I really see this as being a 
positive way to offer choice to your potential clients.


Choices like this would be great for me if I were in a strange town, 
needed to check email, wanted to know what the local restaurants were 
around the hotspot, wanted to see a local map with businesses in the 
area, etc. At that point the ads start to actually build value. This is 
when advertising becomes part of the relevant content to the customer. I 
intend to deploy this in a positive way and show it off to not only my 
local businesses but also the local city government, state government, 
customers, etc. I will make my downtown a hotspot that everyone enjoys 
visiting online. I think it will also make me some money in the long run.

Scriv


Blair Davis wrote:

If I publish a web page, who are you to modify it before displaying it 
to a user?


I'd start getting annoyed if my web page displayed differently 
depending on whose network it flows thru


I also feel that this is a bad idea in general because I think it 
could end up weakening the 'safe harbor' provisions that protect us 
from liability over data content.  We are not censors.  Beyond the 
monitoring needed to assure network integrity, we do not monitor or 
censor our users in any way and we do not plan to.


IMO, we should not modify the data flowing to the user in any way 
without the express, informed consent of the user.  If a user wants 
you to censor, modify or block  pages, fine  if you wish to offer 
that service.  For liability reasons, we choose not to.


Eric DaVersa wrote:


Agreed, but there is a free lunch...for the web publishers and ad
servers you allow to sell over your pipes.  


Take the old example of the Internet as a highway.  You've built a
highway (your wireless network) and people (your customers) pay to drive
on it.  Along the way there are billboard advertisements (web ads.)  


You collect nothing from the billboards that people view.  In essence,
the advertisers get a free lunch from your highway.

Adzilla basically gives you the opportunity to place your own billboards
in front of those existing billboards so that you, as the highway
operator, can receive a reven

Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[Frank Muto]

Blair, I feel your concern is a valid 
one.
 
This is a basic twist of the walled network e.g., 
AOL uses. As within AOL's network portal and browser they would have their paid 
advertisers' shown. As a dialup provider (97-2002), we did the same thing using 
our own portal and custom browser of which the user would use. Our free-based 
users would be locked into the portal but our paid users would not be. If 
they went outside our portal using their browser of choice, we did not control 
their end destination. Our TOS spelled out these terms. 
 
Steering a customer away from a company's website 
like Amazon.com and redirecting the HTTP request through an affiliate 
channel, is not good practice in my opinion. I'm not saying this is the case in 
point, but there are companies like Zango, 180 Solutions and others that do this 
and cost many affiliates commissions when the software, (e.g., P2P) or bundled 
software is installed on the customers machine using various methods, such 
as an Active-X pop-up asking the user to install certain software.
 
For an example, we fight click fraud everyday that 
use these methods. When a user does a search on say Google and clicks on an 
affiliate link, the user is redirected to another affiliate who would get the 
sale if the customer purchased the advertised item or paid for the lead 
generation. 
 
 
 
 
Frank MutoPresident/CEOFSM Marketing Group, 
Inc
 
 
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Blair Davis 

  If I publish a web page, who are 
  you to modify it before displaying it to a user?I'd start getting 
  annoyed if my web page displayed differently depending on whose network it 
  flows thruI also feel that this is a bad idea in general because I 
  think it could end up weakening the 'safe harbor' provisions that protect us 
  from liability over data content.  We are not censors.  Beyond the 
  monitoring needed to assure network integrity, we do not monitor or censor our 
  users in any way and we do not plan to.IMO, we should not modify the 
  data flowing to the user in any way without the express, informed consent of 
  the user.  If a user wants you to censor, modify or block  pages, 
  fine  if you wish to offer that service.  For liability reasons, 
  we choose not to.Eric DaVersa wrote:
  Agreed, but there is a free lunch...for the web publishers and ad
servers you allow to sell over your pipes.  

Take the old example of the Internet as a highway.  You've built a
highway (your wireless network) and people (your customers) pay to drive
on it.  Along the way there are billboard advertisements (web ads.)  

You collect nothing from the billboards that people view.  In essence,
the advertisers get a free lunch from your highway.

Adzilla basically gives you the opportunity to place your own billboards
in front of those existing billboards so that you, as the highway
operator, can receive a revenue share.

Mark, I don't mean to pick on you here and I apologize if my replies
come off as arrogant or inappropriate in any way.  I appreciate your
questioning and "devil's advocate" approach.  These lists are certainly
good for digging through the facts.

Peter R. sent an email for those interested in participating in a
webinar.  Also, an Adzilla exec will be at WISPNOG.

Respectfully,

Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


"There is no free lunch."

this is the most concise, most accurate, and wisest words ever spoken,
on
the subject of economics.



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personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
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-
- Original Message - 
From: "Eric DaVersa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


  
The simple answer to that is "don't use that option."  The ad
optimization is transparent and its basically free money.  I usually
have to say it 3 times before ISPs start to understand the concept, so
in the interest of saving time...

It's free money, it's free money, and - you guessed it - it's still
free
  
money.

Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On
  
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal corres

RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[chris cooper]

 

 

While we are on the topic of ad based revenue streams- How about Tobacco advertising?  Ive never seen any push type tobacco ads on the web.  Im wondering if this medium is regulated the same as television and radio?  (before anybody gets upset- Im a former smoker.  Tobacco is evil, believe me I know)  Just wondering. Chris Cooper
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Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[Jory Privett]

I think you are not understanding the way the 
system works.  Please correct me if I am wrong here.   This does 
not modify every web page,  only those pages that have the Adzilla tags in 
them.   The device just uses the tag to display the adds that are 
setup for your area.  IS this correct?
If it modified every page that a user went to you 
would have a lot of unhappy customers very quickly.
 
Jory Privett
WCCS
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Blair Davis 

  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & 
  Revenue Streams
  If I publish a web page, who are you to modify it before 
  displaying it to a user?I'd start getting annoyed if my web page 
  displayed differently depending on whose network it flows thruI 
  also feel that this is a bad idea in general because I think it could end up 
  weakening the 'safe harbor' provisions that protect us from liability over 
  data content.  We are not censors.  Beyond the monitoring needed to 
  assure network integrity, we do not monitor or censor our users in any way and 
  we do not plan to.IMO, we should not modify the data flowing to the 
  user in any way without the express, informed consent of the user.  If a 
  user wants you to censor, modify or block  pages, fine  if you 
  wish to offer that service.  For liability reasons, we choose not 
  to.Eric DaVersa wrote:
  Agreed, but there is a free lunch...for the web publishers and ad
servers you allow to sell over your pipes.  

Take the old example of the Internet as a highway.  You've built a
highway (your wireless network) and people (your customers) pay to drive
on it.  Along the way there are billboard advertisements (web ads.)  

You collect nothing from the billboards that people view.  In essence,
the advertisers get a free lunch from your highway.

Adzilla basically gives you the opportunity to place your own billboards
in front of those existing billboards so that you, as the highway
operator, can receive a revenue share.

Mark, I don't mean to pick on you here and I apologize if my replies
come off as arrogant or inappropriate in any way.  I appreciate your
questioning and "devil's advocate" approach.  These lists are certainly
good for digging through the facts.

Peter R. sent an email for those interested in participating in a
webinar.  Also, an Adzilla exec will be at WISPNOG.

Respectfully,

Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


"There is no free lunch."

this is the most concise, most accurate, and wisest words ever spoken,
on
the subject of economics.



North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
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-
- Original Message - 
From: "Eric DaVersa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


  
The simple answer to that is "don't use that option."  The ad
optimization is transparent and its basically free money.  I usually
have to say it 3 times before ISPs start to understand the concept, so
in the interest of saving time...

It's free money, it's free money, and - you guessed it - it's still
free
  
money.

Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On
  
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


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-
- Original Message - 
From: "Eric DaVersa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams



  For a Network Operator, you have some incredible new tools as part
  of
  

  the package.  You have a GUI interface where you can insert
  messaging
  

  DIRECT TO THE DESKTOP.  This means, "Dear Customer, your payment is
  7
  

  days past due, your account will be shut off if you do not pay
  within
  
x

  hours."
  I think if I tried that with my customers, I would be losing, not
gaining,
customers.   The no

Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[Blair Davis]

If I publish a web page, who are you to modify it before displaying it
to a user?

I'd start getting annoyed if my web page displayed differently
depending on whose network it flows thru

I also feel that this is a bad idea in general because I think it could
end up weakening the 'safe harbor' provisions that protect us from
liability over data content.  We are not censors.  Beyond the
monitoring needed to assure network integrity, we do not monitor or
censor our users in any way and we do not plan to.

IMO, we should not modify the data flowing to the user in any way
without the express, informed consent of the user.  If a user wants you
to censor, modify or block  pages, fine  if you wish to offer that
service.  For liability reasons, we choose not to.

Eric DaVersa wrote:

  Agreed, but there is a free lunch...for the web publishers and ad
servers you allow to sell over your pipes.  

Take the old example of the Internet as a highway.  You've built a
highway (your wireless network) and people (your customers) pay to drive
on it.  Along the way there are billboard advertisements (web ads.)  

You collect nothing from the billboards that people view.  In essence,
the advertisers get a free lunch from your highway.

Adzilla basically gives you the opportunity to place your own billboards
in front of those existing billboards so that you, as the highway
operator, can receive a revenue share.

Mark, I don't mean to pick on you here and I apologize if my replies
come off as arrogant or inappropriate in any way.  I appreciate your
questioning and "devil's advocate" approach.  These lists are certainly
good for digging through the facts.

Peter R. sent an email for those interested in participating in a
webinar.  Also, an Adzilla exec will be at WISPNOG.

Respectfully,

Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


"There is no free lunch."

this is the most concise, most accurate, and wisest words ever spoken,
on
the subject of economics.



North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!


-
- Original Message - 
From: "Eric DaVersa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


  
  
The simple answer to that is "don't use that option."  The ad
optimization is transparent and its basically free money.  I usually
have to say it 3 times before ISPs start to understand the concept, so
in the interest of saving time...

It's free money, it's free money, and - you guessed it - it's still

  
  free
  
  
money.

Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

  
  On
  
  
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
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-
- Original Message - 
From: "Eric DaVersa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams




  For a Network Operator, you have some incredible new tools as part
  

  
  of
  
  

  the package.  You have a GUI interface where you can insert
  

  
  messaging
  
  

  DIRECT TO THE DESKTOP.  This means, "Dear Customer, your payment is
  

  
  7
  
  

  days past due, your account will be shut off if you do not pay
  

  
  within
  
  
x


  hours."
  

I think if I tried that with my customers, I would be losing, not
gaining,
customers.   The notion of inserting something into thier data is...

  
  too
  
  
intrusive for me to consider.



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RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams

[Eric DaVersa]

Agreed, but there is a free lunch...for the web publishers and ad
servers you allow to sell over your pipes.  

Take the old example of the Internet as a highway.  You've built a
highway (your wireless network) and people (your customers) pay to drive
on it.  Along the way there are billboard advertisements (web ads.)  

You collect nothing from the billboards that people view.  In essence,
the advertisers get a free lunch from your highway.

Adzilla basically gives you the opportunity to place your own billboards
in front of those existing billboards so that you, as the highway
operator, can receive a revenue share.

Mark, I don't mean to pick on you here and I apologize if my replies
come off as arrogant or inappropriate in any way.  I appreciate your
questioning and "devil's advocate" approach.  These lists are certainly
good for digging through the facts.

Peter R. sent an email for those interested in participating in a
webinar.  Also, an Adzilla exec will be at WISPNOG.

Respectfully,

Eric DaVersa
Vice-President, Business Development
NetLogix
OFFICE: 858.764.1998
CELL: 858.245.6702
FAX: 858.764.1982
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


"There is no free lunch."

this is the most concise, most accurate, and wisest words ever spoken,
on
the subject of economics.



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- Original Message - 
From: "Eric DaVersa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams


> The simple answer to that is "don't use that option."  The ad
> optimization is transparent and its basically free money.  I usually
> have to say it 3 times before ISPs start to understand the concept, so
> in the interest of saving time...
>
> It's free money, it's free money, and - you guessed it - it's still
free
> money.
>
> Eric DaVersa
> Vice-President, Business Development
> NetLogix
> OFFICE: 858.764.1998
> CELL: 858.245.6702
> FAX: 858.764.1982
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams
>
>
> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
>

> 
> -
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Eric DaVersa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Adzilla & Revenue Streams
>
>
> >
> > For a Network Operator, you have some incredible new tools as part
of
> > the package.  You have a GUI interface where you can insert
messaging
> > DIRECT TO THE DESKTOP.  This means, "Dear Customer, your payment is
7
> > days past due, your account will be shut off if you do not pay
within
> x
> > hours."
>
> I think if I tried that with my customers, I would be losing, not
> gaining,
> customers.   The notion of inserting something into thier data is...
too
> intrusive for me to consider.
>
>
>
> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
>

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Re: [WISPA] RP-N adapter

[Matt Liotta]

I found an RP-N male to N femal adapter at Tessco that will work.

-Matt

Matt Liotta wrote:

I am looking for an RP-N male to N male adapter. Anyone have any idea 
where to get one? I noticed Hyperlink sells pigtails, but not adapters 
for these connectors.


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[WISPA] RP-N adapter

[Matt Liotta]

I am looking for an RP-N male to N male adapter. Anyone have any idea 
where to get one? I noticed Hyperlink sells pigtails, but not adapters 
for these connectors.


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