Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
Am I hearing correctly that this new space can only be utilized in rural areas? Not for Citys like New Orleans? TIA Joe Laura Superior Alarm/Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Ubquity? Some kind of mini-pci card? Charles Wyble wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Indeed! Who would the likely vendors in this space be? Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want answers to your questions as well. Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Yep! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
Joe, It entirely depends on how many broadcast TV stations are in the NOLA area. Obviously, there are more whitespaces in rural areas because there are less TV broadcasters. Municipal areas will have proportionately less whitespaces available because those areas inherently have more broadcasters. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Am I hearing correctly that this new space can only be utilized in rural areas? Not for Citys like New Orleans? TIA Joe Laura Superior Alarm/Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Ubquity? Some kind of mini-pci card? Charles Wyble wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Indeed! Who would the likely vendors in this space be? Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want answers to your questions as well. Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Yep! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FYI Note: I have joined Aperto
Hi folks, I just wanted to drop a note to the list that I have joined Aperto and thus my Sageni consulting business will not be active. It is a great move for me since Aperto now has a strong and primary commitment to the WISP market, especially regarding 3.65 GHz where Aperto's historic leadership with the 802.16 MAC can be put to good use. Most of you know that my heart in this business is with the WISP space. Aperto is U.S.-based and right-sized such that this market is a primary focus. That fact and the respect I (and my former organization) have always had for advanced technical competencies of Aperto were key to my decision to join. Once I received direct and personal commitment from the new CEO and his staff here about how central YOU are to the company now, I agreed to join. Please wish me luck and let me know if I can help. Jack, this also explains why Sageni did not join WISPA. I believe Aperto is now a vendor member, but if not, please invoice us immediately. Regards to all, Patrick 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DTV transition
I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] News you can use: Net Neutrality Advocates In Charge Of Obama Team Review of FCC
Susan Crawford, a professor at the University of Michigan Law School, and Kevin Werbach, a former FCC staffer, organizer of the annual tech conference Supernova http://www.supernova2008.com/, and a Wharton professor, will lead the Obama-Biden transition team's review of the FCC. Both are highly-regarded outside-the-Beltway experts in telecom policy, and they've both been pretty harsh critics of the Bush administration's telecom policies in the past year. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/11/net-neutrality.html If you think net neutrality is a good idea (some do, some don't) you're in for a treat. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
For an idea of antenna size... look at a TV antenna. Same band, same size antenna for same gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:45 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available for PTP. 700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion. I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? I am also concerned about the CPE Panel size. Going from a 15 Panel to a 20 panel gives us a lot more wind issues at the client. Don't get me wrong I am excited about the whitespace out come. I appreciated the work of the Whitespace committee. We have tower owners who are concerned about the sizes of our antennas now. Change from a 12 foot 900 Omni to a 16+ foot 700 will not get rave reviews. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
Sounds like crap to me. I probably have one of the oldest VHF\UHF setups (the house is 95 years old) there is. I'm located probably 70 miles from Chicago's TV stations and I received signal just fine... until the preamp went out and I gave up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:59 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
That's scary. And that's only a receiver antenna. So are we looking at an extra trailer behind our install trucks to carry an 8ft x 6ft yagi as well as 10 foot tv tower sections to get it up high enough and away from the house. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul For an idea of antenna size... look at a TV antenna. Same band, same size antenna for same gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:45 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available for PTP. 700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion. I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? I am also concerned about the CPE Panel size. Going from a 15 Panel to a 20 panel gives us a lot more wind issues at the client. Don't get me wrong I am excited about the whitespace out come. I appreciated the work of the Whitespace committee. We have tower owners who are concerned about the sizes of our antennas now. Change from a 12 foot 900 Omni to a 16+ foot 700 will not get rave reviews. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
Joe, Looks like you will have whitespace available - -as I used Brains tool fast like. I will hit you off list with the attachment. THANKS BRIAN! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Am I hearing correctly that this new space can only be utilized in rural areas? Not for Citys like New Orleans? TIA Joe Laura Superior Alarm/Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces Ubquity? Some kind of mini-pci card? Charles Wyble wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear from the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? Indeed! Who would the likely vendors in this space be? Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want answers to your questions as well. Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published information yet, but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won! Congrats. It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power, while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere else). Four watts at these frequencies will carry! Yep! --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 5:24 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
I have been using WiFi Spray instead, its cheaper and works just as good!! Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
I have some Wi-Fi spray I use on client CPE when their signal degrades. Two squirts and their old -87 become a -67 instantly!! It comes in several different colors - - like wifi red, radio white and my favorite of all is 802yellow!! I have several bottles for sale if anyone is interested. :-) Mac (not Dearman) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 5:24 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
I'll take a case of the yellow. Do you accept Paypal? :) Travis Mac Dearman wrote: I have some Wi-Fi spray I use on client CPE when their signal degrades. Two squirts and their old -87 become a -67 instantly!! It comes in several different colors - - like wifi red, radio white and my favorite of all is 802yellow!! I have several bottles for sale if anyone is interested. :-) Mac (not Dearman) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 5:24 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
It's actually pretty cheap, here: http://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll take a case of the yellow. Do you accept Paypal? :) Travis Mac Dearman wrote: I have some Wi-Fi spray I use on client CPE when their signal degrades. Two squirts and their old -87 become a -67 instantly!! It comes in several different colors - - like wifi red, radio white and my favorite of all is 802yellow!! I have several bottles for sale if anyone is interested. :-) Mac (not Dearman) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 5:24 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
Save your money, Wikipedia says that Wi-Fi spray is simply re-packaged Astro-Glide personal lubricant. American Towers is the largest consumer. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV transition I'll take a case of the yellow. Do you accept Paypal? :) Travis Mac Dearman wrote: I have some Wi-Fi spray I use on client CPE when their signal degrades. Two squirts and their old -87 become a -67 instantly!! It comes in several different colors - - like wifi red, radio white and my favorite of all is 802yellow!! I have several bottles for sale if anyone is interested. :-) Mac (not Dearman) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 5:24 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
ROTFLMAO __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV transition Save your money, Wikipedia says that Wi-Fi spray is simply re-packaged Astro-Glide personal lubricant. American Towers is the largest consumer. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV transition I'll take a case of the yellow. Do you accept Paypal? :) Travis Mac Dearman wrote: I have some Wi-Fi spray I use on client CPE when their signal degrades. Two squirts and their old -87 become a -67 instantly!! It comes in several different colors - - like wifi red, radio white and my favorite of all is 802yellow!! I have several bottles for sale if anyone is interested. :-) Mac (not Dearman) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 5:24 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
Could you elaborate on why this is a bad idea? I'm slightly interested in it for low cost connections. In my current area, I don't have a problem finding grain legs for AP sites. These would be dense enough that I could build a great network with white spaces cells and 5GHz backhauls. But if I look farther north in Michigan, the forests are denser and the grain legs disappear. The terrain is flat enough that I can't use mountains for cheap tower sites. And none of the 900-2.4-3.65-5GHz radios are going thru the trees. It seems like a PtP backhaul that would work ten(?) miles thru trees would be a great cost savings over building towers. Maybe use two channels for full duplex. The rural areas that I'm looking at have over twenty channels free. (thanks Brian Webster for your kmz!) On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:28 PM, John Scrivner wrote: We have been fighting it. Towerstream seems to have somehow created a perception that they are justified in this desire to set aside TVWS spectrum for this inefficient use. We have been fighting it and we will continue to do so. Scriv On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] La Monte Missouri
I have a customer needing residental wireless internet service (I specify after the last 1 question I got) in La Monte, Missouri. South Main Street, by the US Cellular tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
Is yellow the best answer in this situation. I was thinking Red would tend to help support department know who was on the slicked up service compared to those who like it natural. Best to know who you're dealing with when you send out a service tech. Steve Barnes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV transition I'll take a case of the yellow. Do you accept Paypal? :) Travis Mac Dearman wrote: I have some Wi-Fi spray I use on client CPE when their signal degrades. Two squirts and their old -87 become a -67 instantly!! It comes in several different colors - - like wifi red, radio white and my favorite of all is 802yellow!! I have several bottles for sale if anyone is interested. :-) Mac (not Dearman) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Mac Dearman wrote: - -as I used Brains tool Mac, I'll believe a lot of things, but I don't believe that you used Brains anything. ;-) DUCKRUNDODGE -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
For three years I received my content off-air only while I lived in the Silicon Valley. The quality of the signal off-air was amazing and really popped off my plasma. Getting it direct with no compression...and for free with a small antenna...was really great. I'll be doing it again once I have the time to install a roof antenna on my new home in FL. The best web site I found to select the gain of the antenna and set the azimuth is www.antennaweb.org. It gives you a complete list of channels available in your area and will display a street level view how to align your antenna. I always believed WISPs should add this installation to their business. This might enable you to somewhat package a triple play offer using the off-air for content and the wireless for Internet and voice. - Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Indoor Access Points
I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
Let me guess you have a pile of dead Engenius 3220 that wont transmit any more. I have 9 myself. I am looking for a good inside AP that works with POE as well. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
Josh Luthman wrote: I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. Is it just me or is it fast becomingno matter the 802.11a/b/g 2.4/5Ghz hardware need the answer is Ubiquity :) They seem to be pretty cool. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
Steve, Actually I have more of a mountain of the outdoor units. I used a skid and fork lift to get them to the dumpster. Though my real problem with these radios is their inability to work well for a long duration of time with most laptops and their inability to work well whatsoever with Intel wireless cards. Regardless of who's fault it is - Engenius or Intel - Intel is in laptops, Engenius needs to adapt to this. Charles, These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. Is it just me or is it fast becomingno matter the 802.11a/b/g 2.4/5Ghz hardware need the answer is Ubiquity :) They seem to be pretty cool. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
Josh Luthman wrote: Charles, These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! Yes. I have one deployed as a Hotspot right now (in use for about 3 weeks with 0 issues) and will be meshing out from it to provide internet to Downtown El Segundo California. Charles Wyble http://www.socalwifi.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
Wonder if they're NEMA rated. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] White Spaces Device Demand
Folks, Just would like to run an informal poll to determine the market for Fixed White Spaces devices over the next 2 - 3 years. If you could reply (offlist preferred) to this request I'd like to pass the demand over to our product line managers who set product development priority. 512 - 698 MHz White Spaces Demand Expected Street Price Upper Bound 2009 2010 2011 PTP Links Access Points CPE Thanks, Kevin Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA www.redlinecommunications.com http://www.redlinecommunications.com/ Leading the WiMAX Revolution with RedMAX(tm) Advanced Broadband Wireless Solutions See Redline at the following events: WiMAX Forum Congress Latin America 2008 http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001B9yZFzm6BqlMrJ1Vy3lrwoT7LGK8M4NYXaP0UgkeTfvI aA9Pop9_LNknIzwkIJryK-eDv2Dd-EsSDnPLq2Rg99PXry8ik586UMDqW6PhMojMoGqCyj6w -JQKXAtl63BqYu8ouSCT178= December 3 - 4, 2008 The Windsor Barra Hotel Rio De Janeiro, Brazil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
Have you tried a RuckusWirelss AP (they make an outdoor unit as well). They are a bit more expensive, but after you get over that pain, you might not want to go back to anything else. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappydsl.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Steve, Actually I have more of a mountain of the outdoor units. I used a skid and fork lift to get them to the dumpster. Though my real problem with these radios is their inability to work well for a long duration of time with most laptops and their inability to work well whatsoever with Intel wireless cards. Regardless of who's fault it is - Engenius or Intel - Intel is in laptops, Engenius needs to adapt to this. Charles, These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. Is it just me or is it fast becomingno matter the 802.11a/b/g 2.4/5Ghz hardware need the answer is Ubiquity :) They seem to be pretty cool. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] White Spaces Device Demand
I think that if you want to use WISPA to mine market data, then the results should be made public for all to share. You are not the only vendor member of WISPA that has TVWS product in the pipeline you know. - Original Message - From: Kevin Suitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] White Spaces Device Demand Folks, Just would like to run an informal poll to determine the market for Fixed White Spaces devices over the next 2 - 3 years. If you could reply (offlist preferred) to this request I'd like to pass the demand over to our product line managers who set product development priority. 512 - 698 MHz White Spaces Demand Expected Street Price Upper Bound 2009 2010 2011 PTP Links Access Points CPE Thanks, Kevin Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA www.redlinecommunications.com http://www.redlinecommunications.com/ Leading the WiMAX Revolution with RedMAX(tm) Advanced Broadband Wireless Solutions See Redline at the following events: WiMAX Forum Congress Latin America 2008 http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001B9yZFzm6BqlMrJ1Vy3lrwoT7LGK8M4NYXaP0UgkeTfvI aA9Pop9_LNknIzwkIJryK-eDv2Dd-EsSDnPLq2Rg99PXry8ik586UMDqW6PhMojMoGqCyj6w -JQKXAtl63BqYu8ouSCT178= December 3 - 4, 2008 The Windsor Barra Hotel Rio De Janeiro, Brazil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
Wonder why it attached the reply... - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] White Spaces Mapping Tool
I have had several requests to send the free Google Earth tool I created to show the TV white Spaces available for any given area in the US. I have posted a copy of the file on my web site. Scroll down the home page to the area just above the sample maps. There you will find the link to the file and an explanation for how to use the tool. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Josh Luthman wrote: I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Define low-cost and include what functionality you're looking for in this router product. I can make suggestions, but without those 2 bits of information, it's nearly impossible to answer. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Charles Wyble wrote: Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. NS2 is about $70-80 depending on where you get them. You can have a RB411, R52 and indoor case for around the same price (ok..a little more) and have a better OS (even certified now). You can, also, do a crossroads with indoor case at around $110-115. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Josh Luthman wrote: These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! I've installed NS2 in 2 hotels. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
roflmao I don't care who you are, THAT'S funny! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV transition Save your money, Wikipedia says that Wi-Fi spray is simply re-packaged Astro-Glide personal lubricant. American Towers is the largest consumer. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV transition I'll take a case of the yellow. Do you accept Paypal? :) Travis WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DTV transition
I just got an LED TV. Wonder of wonders, THIS one picks up some channels. Even the old analog stuff. There are a few digital ones as well. Guess the TV receiver is just as important as our gear. I'd not say that the OTA channels are any better than the Dish Network ones though. Either way, going from SDTV to HDTV and 27 to 46 is pretty amazing! marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DTV transition For three years I received my content off-air only while I lived in the Silicon Valley. The quality of the signal off-air was amazing and really popped off my plasma. Getting it direct with no compression...and for free with a small antenna...was really great. I'll be doing it again once I have the time to install a roof antenna on my new home in FL. The best web site I found to select the gain of the antenna and set the azimuth is www.antennaweb.org. It gives you a complete list of channels available in your area and will display a street level view how to align your antenna. I always believed WISPs should add this installation to their business. This might enable you to somewhat package a triple play offer using the off-air for content and the wireless for Internet and voice. - Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DTV transition I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels! Just got this today and thought I'd pass it along. For Immediate Release Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box. But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older and heavily-used television antenna elements. Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable. Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No... you'd wash and wax it! Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing satisfaction. Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue and bird droppings. When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm). Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 1st, 2009. #--30--# DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc. Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
For resi gear I just sell them a Linksys. In my own home I'm really happy with my Mikrotik! marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
Cool! can I put that on my web site? marlon P.S. I bet that's some of Jaime's work! - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
Never did actually do that. But I've been told that it works very well. I do have a site I keep thinking of doing it at. grin marlon - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] White Spaces Device Demand
- Original Message - From: Kevin Suitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] White Spaces Device Demand Folks, Just would like to run an informal poll to determine the market for Fixed White Spaces devices over the next 2 - 3 years. If you could reply (offlist preferred) to this request I'd like to pass the demand over to our product line managers who set product development priority. 512 - 698 MHz White Spaces Demand Expected Street Price: About what we're paying now for wifi type gear. Slightly higher might be ok. Much higher won't be any different than what we can't sell already. Upper Bound: Lost me here. 2009 2010 2011: These all depend on what the cost is. If it's near what today's gear costs I'll start deploying new systems right away. If not I'll mostly have to wait for the prices to drop. marlon PTP Links Access Points CPE Thanks, Kevin Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA www.redlinecommunications.com http://www.redlinecommunications.com/ Leading the WiMAX Revolution with RedMAX(tm) Advanced Broadband Wireless Solutions See Redline at the following events: WiMAX Forum Congress Latin America 2008 http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001B9yZFzm6BqlMrJ1Vy3lrwoT7LGK8M4NYXaP0UgkeTfvI aA9Pop9_LNknIzwkIJryK-eDv2Dd-EsSDnPLq2Rg99PXry8ik586UMDqW6PhMojMoGqCyj6w -JQKXAtl63BqYu8ouSCT178= December 3 - 4, 2008 The Windsor Barra Hotel Rio De Janeiro, Brazil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
I think it depends on your price point... Obviously the most popular answer is going to be Mikrotik... but I really really like my Ruckus gear. I have not deployed it into a hotel personally, but I am selling it to people to do it. Ruckus also has a team focused on the hospitality industry... I think that (along with schools) is really where its getting deployed. So to sum up... at Engenius price point Mikrotik... if you can pay a bit more I would choose Ruckus hands down (that advice being nonwithstanding of being a vendor... we only sell products we believe in). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators, and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no freezer/ ice compartment. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] whitespaces, take two
We need to be ready to be involved with this process if there is a way to do so (from the nprm) We anticipate that the capabilities of products for operating in this spectrum will develop and evolve over time and that much will be learned about the potential for unlicensed TVBDs to cause interference to licensed services and how to avoid that interference. We may therefore need to revisit these rules to make adjustments both to provide more flexibility for unlicensed devices and to refine the protections for licensed services. Consistent with our objective to allow unlicensed TVBDs to operate with the most flexibility and capabilities possible consistent with protection of licensed services, we are directing our staff to conduct a review and report to the Commission in two years from the date of this Second Report and Order on the state of these devices, including the types of devices on the market, the extent of their implementation, technical developments, any interference problems that may have arisen, and aspects of the rules that should be altered to increase features and opportunities for use or to address conflicts. marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vista VPN Question
Uncheck the use default gateway on remote network option in the Vista box. John Mike Hammett wrote: PPTP VPN connection. I'll see what is supported in this regard. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vista VPN Question What type of VPN are you using? Some allow publishing or advertising of routes to the client when the VPN is established On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 10:59 -0800, Charles Wyble wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: Is there a way to setup Vista so that only certain subnets are routed over a VPN link? It seems silly that a customer with a 16 meg Comcast connection pushes all Internet traffic through the office's 2/2 connection. There is a route command you can use from the command prompt. :) Or do it via DHCP options if your running a full DHCP server (Cisco,Linux,Windows NT/200(x). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
I agree with snappy, the Ruckus units PENETRATE and lock on with no multipath issues. We use them for difficult or large home and business wireless. We have had some in for over a year with no problems. They will even sort out and use a reflection ! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Have you tried a RuckusWirelss AP (they make an outdoor unit as well). They are a bit more expensive, but after you get over that pain, you might not want to go back to anything else. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappydsl.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Steve, Actually I have more of a mountain of the outdoor units. I used a skid and fork lift to get them to the dumpster. Though my real problem with these radios is their inability to work well for a long duration of time with most laptops and their inability to work well whatsoever with Intel wireless cards. Regardless of who's fault it is - Engenius or Intel - Intel is in laptops, Engenius needs to adapt to this. Charles, These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. Is it just me or is it fast becomingno matter the 802.11a/b/g 2.4/5Ghz hardware need the answer is Ubiquity :) They seem to be pretty cool. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
I was thinking of using the crossroads but I wanted to see how long it would it be before it was mentioned. I really like the software so I think I will go that route. Does anyone have experience with a large amount of crossroads successfully? Is the wireless card just the r52? As far as the ns2's I will look at these, too. My price range is around 125 +/- 25 but imy desire is a solution before cost. On 11/18/08, 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it depends on your price point... Obviously the most popular answer is going to be Mikrotik... but I really really like my Ruckus gear. I have not deployed it into a hotel personally, but I am selling it to people to do it. Ruckus also has a team focused on the hospitality industry... I think that (along with schools) is really where its getting deployed. So to sum up... at Engenius price point Mikrotik... if you can pay a bit more I would choose Ruckus hands down (that advice being nonwithstanding of being a vendor... we only sell products we believe in). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65
Anyone out there using the Ubiquiti 3.65 legally registered with the FCC? Any ups or downs or knowledge you care to share? TIA Best Regards, Joel NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NS2 Feedback
All I can say is WOW!!! I deployed an NS2 in a client mode deployment for testing and put it through heavy usage (lots of voip/downloads/youtube etc) for 2 weeks. It worked flawlessly. I then deployed it as a hotspot in El Segundo CA and it's working great. Initial deployment was under the counter (closed on 3 sides) at a merchant and we got pretty good coverage of the whole strip mall. Tonight I moved it up near the ceiling and coverage (as expected) dramatically improved. We now provide coverage to 1 square block or so. I can't wait to load up a custom firmware image and start deploying a mesh. NS2: 100.00 Wireless coverage you can count on: Priceless Charles Wyble http://www.socalwifi.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65
Joel White wrote: Anyone out there using the Ubiquiti 3.65 legally registered with the FCC? Any ups or downs or knowledge you care to share? I would love to get an answer to this as well. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
One of our wisp clients (a good size one with around 1K paying clients) has been testing the ns2, and he reports some sort of problem that shows up as a steady loss of preformance over time. They start out working great, but after a few days of continuous operation the net transfer rate drops way down until the unit is power cycled. Memory leak (or maybe a power supply issue)? Tom S. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I was thinking of using the crossroads but I wanted to see how long it would it be before it was mentioned. I really like the software so I think I will go that route. Does anyone have experience with a large amount of crossroads successfully? Is the wireless card just the r52? As far as the ns2's I will look at these, too. My price range is around 125 +/- 25 but imy desire is a solution before cost. On 11/18/08, 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it depends on your price point... Obviously the most popular answer is going to be Mikrotik... but I really really like my Ruckus gear. I have not deployed it into a hotel personally, but I am selling it to people to do it. Ruckus also has a team focused on the hospitality industry... I think that (along with schools) is really where its getting deployed. So to sum up... at Engenius price point Mikrotik... if you can pay a bit more I would choose Ruckus hands down (that advice being nonwithstanding of being a vendor... we only sell products we believe in). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NS2 Feedback
Charles, Have you any experience with the R52/h or Compex cards? If so how do the NS2s compare (or do they)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: All I can say is WOW!!! I deployed an NS2 in a client mode deployment for testing and put it through heavy usage (lots of voip/downloads/youtube etc) for 2 weeks. It worked flawlessly. I then deployed it as a hotspot in El Segundo CA and it's working great. Initial deployment was under the counter (closed on 3 sides) at a merchant and we got pretty good coverage of the whole strip mall. Tonight I moved it up near the ceiling and coverage (as expected) dramatically improved. We now provide coverage to 1 square block or so. I can't wait to load up a custom firmware image and start deploying a mesh. NS2: 100.00 Wireless coverage you can count on: Priceless Charles Wyble http://www.socalwifi.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
When you say the unit is power cycled - is this removing the plug or a software reset? I would imagine that if it is power supply related a software reset wouldn't solve the issue. Thank you very much for your input - this is exactly what I am afraid of. While in St. Louis Tranzeo radios were having this problem. Engenius doesn't have this issue, but it is far from flawless and to my knowledge the MikroTik OS does not either. With a dozen hotels and many APs in each I don't want to have to worry about rebooting units to keep the guests as happy as possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Tom Sharples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our wisp clients (a good size one with around 1K paying clients) has been testing the ns2, and he reports some sort of problem that shows up as a steady loss of preformance over time. They start out working great, but after a few days of continuous operation the net transfer rate drops way down until the unit is power cycled. Memory leak (or maybe a power supply issue)? Tom S. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I was thinking of using the crossroads but I wanted to see how long it would it be before it was mentioned. I really like the software so I think I will go that route. Does anyone have experience with a large amount of crossroads successfully? Is the wireless card just the r52? As far as the ns2's I will look at these, too. My price range is around 125 +/- 25 but imy desire is a solution before cost. On 11/18/08, 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it depends on your price point... Obviously the most popular answer is going to be Mikrotik... but I really really like my Ruckus gear. I have not deployed it into a hotel personally, but I am selling it to people to do it. Ruckus also has a team focused on the hospitality industry... I think that (along with schools) is really where its getting deployed. So to sum up... at Engenius price point Mikrotik... if you can pay a bit more I would choose Ruckus hands down (that advice being nonwithstanding of being a vendor... we only sell products we believe in). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel garage refrigerators to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!! Here's another one: I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we ended up with data centers in the sky which were 12 1/2' tall by 3 1/2' wide and 3' deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a serial interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling equipment and 2 RV air conditioners. You entered through the bottom of the box and there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were 1/2 steel lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane! All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!) on cable costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'. We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19 racks on either side of the entrance on the bottom. I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been through 2 hurricanes and is still serving clients! -d On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators, and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no freezer/ ice compartment. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
I would absolutely love to see pictures of that. Makes me want to make my way to Texas =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel garage refrigerators to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!! Here's another one: I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we ended up with data centers in the sky which were 12 1/2' tall by 3 1/2' wide and 3' deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a serial interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling equipment and 2 RV air conditioners. You entered through the bottom of the box and there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were 1/2 steel lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane! All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!) on cable costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'. We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19 racks on either side of the entrance on the bottom. I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been through 2 hurricanes and is still serving clients! -d On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators, and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no freezer/ ice compartment. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] unlicensed under 2ghz
Hi All, In reading the FCC's TV whitespaces report and order I came across this statement: Supporters of a licensed approach also hold that there is no need for additional spectrum for unlicensed devices. In this regard, Qualcomm submits that there is no evidence that consumers have had to return unlicensed devices because the unlicensed spectrum is too crowded.48 The Association for Maximum Service Television and the National Association of Broadcasters, in joint comments (MSTV/NAB), add there is over 100 megahertz of unlicensed spectrum below 2 GHz and that 255 MHz of spectrum in the 5 GHz band was made available for unlicensed use in 2003 and so there is plenty of spectrum available for unlicensed use.49 The White Space Coalition counters these arguments, stating that the propagation characteristics of the TV band are superior to the other unlicensed bands for many applications and that none of the other unlicensed spectrum is below 900 MHz Um, where is there 100mhz of unlicensed spectrum between 900mhz and 2 gig? What's available that I haven't been using yet? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
As I recall it was a true power cycle. I am going to be talking with him again in a couple of days and will confirm. BTW, his application is not indoor, but rather outdoor over several miles, requiring continuous high power. Your indoor experience might be different. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points When you say the unit is power cycled - is this removing the plug or a software reset? I would imagine that if it is power supply related a software reset wouldn't solve the issue. Thank you very much for your input - this is exactly what I am afraid of. While in St. Louis Tranzeo radios were having this problem. Engenius doesn't have this issue, but it is far from flawless and to my knowledge the MikroTik OS does not either. With a dozen hotels and many APs in each I don't want to have to worry about rebooting units to keep the guests as happy as possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Tom Sharples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our wisp clients (a good size one with around 1K paying clients) has been testing the ns2, and he reports some sort of problem that shows up as a steady loss of preformance over time. They start out working great, but after a few days of continuous operation the net transfer rate drops way down until the unit is power cycled. Memory leak (or maybe a power supply issue)? Tom S. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I was thinking of using the crossroads but I wanted to see how long it would it be before it was mentioned. I really like the software so I think I will go that route. Does anyone have experience with a large amount of crossroads successfully? Is the wireless card just the r52? As far as the ns2's I will look at these, too. My price range is around 125 +/- 25 but imy desire is a solution before cost. On 11/18/08, 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it depends on your price point... Obviously the most popular answer is going to be Mikrotik... but I really really like my Ruckus gear. I have not deployed it into a hotel personally, but I am selling it to people to do it. Ruckus also has a team focused on the hospitality industry... I think that (along with schools) is really where its getting deployed. So to sum up... at Engenius price point Mikrotik... if you can pay a bit more I would choose Ruckus hands down (that advice being nonwithstanding of being a vendor... we only sell products we believe in). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
Miracle of miracles! Do the Ruckus model(s) that you use have antenna diversity built in (like they used to) ? CHUCK PROFITO wrote: I agree with snappy, the Ruckus units PENETRATE and lock on with no multipath issues. We use them for difficult or large home and business wireless. We have had some in for over a year with no problems. They will even sort out and use a reflection ! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Have you tried a RuckusWirelss AP (they make an outdoor unit as well). They are a bit more expensive, but after you get over that pain, you might not want to go back to anything else. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappydsl.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Steve, Actually I have more of a mountain of the outdoor units. I used a skid and fork lift to get them to the dumpster. Though my real problem with these radios is their inability to work well for a long duration of time with most laptops and their inability to work well whatsoever with Intel wireless cards. Regardless of who's fault it is - Engenius or Intel - Intel is in laptops, Engenius needs to adapt to this. Charles, These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. Is it just me or is it fast becomingno matter the 802.11a/b/g 2.4/5Ghz hardware need the answer is Ubiquity :) They seem to be pretty cool. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] NS2 Feedback
Charles, which custom firmware supports mesh? __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] NS2 Feedback All I can say is WOW!!! I deployed an NS2 in a client mode deployment for testing and put it through heavy usage (lots of voip/downloads/youtube etc) for 2 weeks. It worked flawlessly. I then deployed it as a hotspot in El Segundo CA and it's working great. Initial deployment was under the counter (closed on 3 sides) at a merchant and we got pretty good coverage of the whole strip mall. Tonight I moved it up near the ceiling and coverage (as expected) dramatically improved. We now provide coverage to 1 square block or so. I can't wait to load up a custom firmware image and start deploying a mesh. NS2: 100.00 Wireless coverage you can count on: Priceless Charles Wyble http://www.socalwifi.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
All Ruckus gear either has 6 or 12 antennas depending on the model. But if a reflection is the best signal from a device, or sending a packet via a reflection is the best path it will take it. These things really amaze me... especially for the price Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Miracle of miracles! Do the Ruckus model(s) that you use have antenna diversity built in (like they used to) ? CHUCK PROFITO wrote: I agree with snappy, the Ruckus units PENETRATE and lock on with no multipath issues. We use them for difficult or large home and business wireless. We have had some in for over a year with no problems. They will even sort out and use a reflection ! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Have you tried a RuckusWirelss AP (they make an outdoor unit as well). They are a bit more expensive, but after you get over that pain, you might not want to go back to anything else. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappydsl.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Steve, Actually I have more of a mountain of the outdoor units. I used a skid and fork lift to get them to the dumpster. Though my real problem with these radios is their inability to work well for a long duration of time with most laptops and their inability to work well whatsoever with Intel wireless cards. Regardless of who's fault it is - Engenius or Intel - Intel is in laptops, Engenius needs to adapt to this. Charles, These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. Is it just me or is it fast becomingno matter the 802.11a/b/g 2.4/5Ghz hardware need the answer is Ubiquity :) They seem to be pretty cool. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
If anyone cares to see it, I dug up the presentation I did at Broadband Wireless World 2005 (when it was still independent! Haha) and converted it to PDF. It's got pics of the enclosures on there and it was previously published so I should be in the clear from my old boss! Enjoy! You can get it here: http://www.drewlentz.com/BWW05-Rioplex-Drew.pdf It's about 9.5MB On 11/18/08 9:56 PM, Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would absolutely love to see pictures of that. Makes me want to make my way to Texas =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel garage refrigerators to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!! Here's another one: I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we ended up with data centers in the sky which were 12 1/2' tall by 3 1/2' wide and 3' deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a serial interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling equipment and 2 RV air conditioners. You entered through the bottom of the box and there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were 1/2 steel lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane! All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!) on cable costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'. We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19 racks on either side of the entrance on the bottom. I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been through 2 hurricanes and is still serving clients! -d On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators, and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no freezer/ ice compartment. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
So the super shelters were on the towers? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor If anyone cares to see it, I dug up the presentation I did at Broadband Wireless World 2005 (when it was still independent! Haha) and converted it to PDF. It's got pics of the enclosures on there and it was previously published so I should be in the clear from my old boss! Enjoy! You can get it here: http://www.drewlentz.com/BWW05-Rioplex-Drew.pdf It's about 9.5MB On 11/18/08 9:56 PM, Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would absolutely love to see pictures of that. Makes me want to make my way to Texas =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel garage refrigerators to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!! Here's another one: I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we ended up with data centers in the sky which were 12 1/2' tall by 3 1/2' wide and 3' deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a serial interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling equipment and 2 RV air conditioners. You entered through the bottom of the box and there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were 1/2 steel lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane! All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!) on cable costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'. We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19 racks on either side of the entrance on the bottom. I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been through 2 hurricanes and is still serving clients! -d On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators, and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no freezer/ ice compartment. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! - --- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] White Spaces Mapping Tool
Brian, When I looked at teh tool, it showed channels 20-52. Do you have mapping for channels 2-19? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] White Spaces Mapping Tool I have had several requests to send the free Google Earth tool I created to show the TV white Spaces available for any given area in the US. I have posted a copy of the file on my web site. Scroll down the home page to the area just above the sample maps. There you will find the link to the file and an explanation for how to use the tool. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65
I'm putting stuff up the first of the week next week. I'll post results. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Joel White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Anyone out there using the Ubiquiti 3.65 legally registered with the FCC? Any ups or downs or knowledge you care to share? TIA Best Regards, Joel NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
Yes Jack, I guess they have 6 or 7 antennas ver, horiz and 45* and they lock on whatever is necessary . I do know it held a laptop through 5 exterior mesh and plaster walls apx 40 feet apart and we still had 4 bars and 5 bars after the forth wall. We have also used them in metal buildings, and had extreme coverage between machinery. The only failure we have had was repeting with the metroflex 3 times from a Linksys ap. But it could have been the Linksys. Everywhere we have placed them, have been very difficult wireless environments, and the customers have noticed the difference and didn't mind the added cost. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Miracle of miracles! Do the Ruckus model(s) that you use have antenna diversity built in (like they used to) ? CHUCK PROFITO wrote: I agree with snappy, the Ruckus units PENETRATE and lock on with no multipath issues. We use them for difficult or large home and business wireless. We have had some in for over a year with no problems. They will even sort out and use a reflection ! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Have you tried a RuckusWirelss AP (they make an outdoor unit as well). They are a bit more expensive, but after you get over that pain, you might not want to go back to anything else. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappydsl.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Steve, Actually I have more of a mountain of the outdoor units. I used a skid and fork lift to get them to the dumpster. Though my real problem with these radios is their inability to work well for a long duration of time with most laptops and their inability to work well whatsoever with Intel wireless cards. Regardless of who's fault it is - Engenius or Intel - Intel is in laptops, Engenius needs to adapt to this. Charles, These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. Is it just me or is it fast becomingno matter the 802.11a/b/g 2.4/5Ghz hardware need the answer is Ubiquity :) They seem to be pretty cool. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
Jack, Yes. They use multi-element / multi-antenna, adaptive beam forming, along with some very nifty smart mesh. We replaced 10 buffalo's running dd-wrt (for a large sorrority house / about 60 + active College Students) with 3 Ruckus AP's. Our site survey showed that two would cover it , but we decided to put in the 3rd as a 'filler'. Two AP's are wired (as root) and 3rd AP is a Mesh. The buffalo's would choke once every 10-20 days, requiring some TLC... The Rucks AP' have been Setup and forget about them If it was not for a power outage we would been seeing about 120 + days straight up time. They also do some neat 'firewalling' within the unit.. We are using a mode that allows the Clients (notebook users) to get IP's from the LAN side of the AP's, and ONLY ACCESS THE INTERNET... They cannot access any IP's on the LAN side of the AP's. This is the G stuff.. Their N models with the new software are even more impressive.. Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Miracle of miracles! Do the Ruckus model(s) that you use have antenna diversity built in (like they used to) ? CHUCK PROFITO wrote: I agree with snappy, the Ruckus units PENETRATE and lock on with no multipath issues. We use them for difficult or large home and business wireless. We have had some in for over a year with no problems. They will even sort out and use a reflection ! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Have you tried a RuckusWirelss AP (they make an outdoor unit as well). They are a bit more expensive, but after you get over that pain, you might not want to go back to anything else. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappydsl.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Steve, Actually I have more of a mountain of the outdoor units. I used a skid and fork lift to get them to the dumpster. Though my real problem with these radios is their inability to work well for a long duration of time with most laptops and their inability to work well whatsoever with Intel wireless cards. Regardless of who's fault it is - Engenius or Intel - Intel is in laptops, Engenius needs to adapt to this. Charles, These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. Is it just me or is it fast becomingno matter the 802.11a/b/g 2.4/5Ghz hardware need the answer is Ubiquity :) They seem to be pretty cool. - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --
Re: [WISPA] White Spaces Mapping Tool
As far as I know, the white spaces will only be channels 21-51 excluding channel 37. That's why they aren't included in the file. I could be wrong on that but seems like I pulled that from some document somewhere. That was prior to the ruling. If you find information to the contrary I'll update the tool. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] White Spaces Mapping Tool Brian, When I looked at teh tool, it showed channels 20-52. Do you have mapping for channels 2-19? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] White Spaces Mapping Tool I have had several requests to send the free Google Earth tool I created to show the TV white Spaces available for any given area in the US. I have posted a copy of the file on my web site. Scroll down the home page to the area just above the sample maps. There you will find the link to the file and an explanation for how to use the tool. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
Yes. Also very handy in keeping the beer cans cold... Note the strategic positioning on the tall tower.. Allows for a restful pause during ascends and descends. You have to admit, it is pretty innovative, and very comparable to the Rubber Maid Storage Bins being used for Battery Housing for remote Mountain Top Antennas. Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor So the super shelters were on the towers? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor If anyone cares to see it, I dug up the presentation I did at Broadband Wireless World 2005 (when it was still independent! Haha) and converted it to PDF. It's got pics of the enclosures on there and it was previously published so I should be in the clear from my old boss! Enjoy! You can get it here: http://www.drewlentz.com/BWW05-Rioplex-Drew.pdf It's about 9.5MB On 11/18/08 9:56 PM, Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would absolutely love to see pictures of that. Makes me want to make my way to Texas =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel garage refrigerators to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!! Here's another one: I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we ended up with data centers in the sky which were 12 1/2' tall by 3 1/2' wide and 3' deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a serial interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling equipment and 2 RV air conditioners. You entered through the bottom of the box and there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were 1/2 steel lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane! All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!) on cable costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'. We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19 racks on either side of the entrance on the bottom. I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been through 2 hurricanes and is still serving clients! -d On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators, and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no freezer/ ice compartment. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! - --- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
Yep. Diversity antennas can do that. I recommended Ruckus for this reason several years ago in my emailed newsletter. CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Yes Jack, I guess they have 6 or 7 antennas ver, horiz and 45* and they lock on whatever is necessary . I do know it held a laptop through 5 exterior mesh and plaster walls apx 40 feet apart and we still had 4 bars and 5 bars after the forth wall. We have also used them in metal buildings, and had extreme coverage between machinery. The only failure we have had was repeting with the metroflex 3 times from a Linksys ap. But it could have been the Linksys. Everywhere we have placed them, have been very difficult wireless environments, and the customers have noticed the difference and didn't mind the added cost. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Miracle of miracles! Do the Ruckus model(s) that you use have antenna diversity built in (like they used to) ? CHUCK PROFITO wrote: I agree with snappy, the Ruckus units PENETRATE and lock on with no multipath issues. We use them for difficult or large home and business wireless. We have had some in for over a year with no problems. They will even sort out and use a reflection ! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Have you tried a RuckusWirelss AP (they make an outdoor unit as well). They are a bit more expensive, but after you get over that pain, you might not want to go back to anything else. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappydsl.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points Steve, Actually I have more of a mountain of the outdoor units. I used a skid and fork lift to get them to the dumpster. Though my real problem with these radios is their inability to work well for a long duration of time with most laptops and their inability to work well whatsoever with Intel wireless cards. Regardless of who's fault it is - Engenius or Intel - Intel is in laptops, Engenius needs to adapt to this. Charles, These will be indoor installs so the durability and operating conditions are not a big deal to me. I am interested in knowing if anyone has deployed them in a hotel/hotspot, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Ubiquity NanoStation2. Works great. There are cheaper options like the Loco or Pico. I like the durability and operating conditions of the outdoor one and find it worth the extra 50.00. Is it just me or is it fast becomingno matter the 802.11a/b/g 2.4/5Ghz hardware need the answer is Ubiquity :) They seem to be pretty cool. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65
Using StarOS, we have tested them with 3.5GHz antennas. They got what we would expect them to get with respect to SNR, with a slight loss due to the 3.5GHz antennas. Two issues... 1. We purchased some of the original XR3's, but then they came out with the new version XR3 - 3.7 which had different center frequencies so they would not associate with the original XR3 that we had at the AP. 2. We have had 3 of the XR3 - 3.7 radios that have either lost a significant amount of signal from the AP, or stopped associating altogether. On the StarOS forums, there was some talk of this be attirbuted to non grounding thet antennas. But as it stands, I think we had 3 bad radios, then the 3 that we originally bought that are useless now due to the center frequency issue. At $260 per radio, that's alot of $$ in useless radios. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65 Joel White wrote: Anyone out there using the Ubiquiti 3.65 legally registered with the FCC? Any ups or downs or knowledge you care to share? I would love to get an answer to this as well. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul
At these freqs, 75ohn RG6 cable is usable with reasonable loss. maybe 75ohm cpe is the way to go... Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: 75 ohms. Someone will spin 50 ohm models. Or just put up with the minor VSWR. - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul Look at the BLONDER TONGUE BTY-10-U UHF single channel units Third photo down on the left. I'd look hard at these as CPE antennas... Steve Barnes wrote: That's scary. And that's only a receiver antenna. So are we looking at an extra trailer behind our install trucks to carry an 8ft x 6ft yagi as well as 10 foot tv tower sections to get it up high enough and away from the house. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul For an idea of antenna size... look at a TV antenna. Same band, same size antenna for same gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Steve Barnes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:45 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available for PTP. 700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion. I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? I am also concerned about the CPE Panel size. Going from a 15" Panel to a 20" panel gives us a lot more wind issues at the client. Don't get me wrong I am excited about the whitespace out come. I appreciated the work of the Whitespace committee. We have tower owners who are concerned about the sizes of our antennas now. Change from a 12 foot 900 Omni to a 16+ foot 700 will not get rave reviews. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul I keep seeing desire to have a special category set aside for PtP backhaul operations in the whitespaces. To those of you that understand the extreme rural environments... Is this at all necessary? I don't see why it would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points
firmware? Tom Sharples wrote: One of our wisp clients (a good size one with around 1K paying clients) has been testing the ns2, and he reports some sort of problem that shows up as a steady loss of preformance over time. They start out working great, but after a few days of continuous operation the net transfer rate drops way down until the unit is power cycled. Memory leak (or maybe a power supply issue)? Tom S. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I was thinking of using the crossroads but I wanted to see how long it would it be before it was mentioned. I really like the software so I think I will go that route. Does anyone have experience with a large amount of crossroads successfully? Is the wireless card just the r52? As far as the ns2's I will look at these, too. My price range is around 125 +/- 25 but imy desire is a solution before cost. On 11/18/08, 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it depends on your price point... Obviously the most popular answer is going to be Mikrotik... but I really really like my Ruckus gear. I have not deployed it into a hotel personally, but I am selling it to people to do it. Ruckus also has a team focused on the hospitality industry... I think that (along with schools) is really where its getting deployed. So to sum up... at Engenius price point Mikrotik... if you can pay a bit more I would choose Ruckus hands down (that advice being nonwithstanding of being a vendor... we only sell products we believe in). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points. Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels. I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a replacement low-cost product. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
