Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
A little stretch of the Super33 helps it conform to irregularities and stick to itself well. Not a lot, just some tension while installing. The rubber tape I use from Tessco says to stretch it to 1/2 its original width. If you do that, it, too, conforms to irregularities and really sticks to itself. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never failed yet! 1. Tape a layer of Super-33 from the bottom up. Just one layer. 2. Put on a layer of the rubber tape from the bottom up. Just one layer. 3. Tape another layer up with the Super-33 again. From the bottom up as well. Just one layer. This system has worked great for 5 years and all my connections have always been bone dry when taken apart with a utility knife. One thing I can tell you is it better be bone dry when you put this together cause if its not then you just trapped the water in cause nothing is getting in or out. I get the rubber tape at True Value hardware stores. Its less then $4 and does not leave a sticky mess when removed. It has a blue layer between itself on the role so the rubber does not stick together. Its always in the same area as the electrical tape and electrical supplies. I guess its used widely by electricians. I showed a Two Way Radio technician that has 30+ years experience in RF my method and he was very impressed. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl tape? I like how that doesn't come loose over time. Greg On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a little seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets make me a little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with them - a little sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea. This is how I was taught for RF connectors 3 layer process: Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire connection extending 2 past the shrink wrap at both ends Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze repeatedly to conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep the mastic in place and for UV protection http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Hey All, So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional H-Pol Omni antennas, Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as possible. Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical Tape on the Edges of the gear? If there was a place I could see some pictures of the implementations that would be good too. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
Does't the glue on the Super-33 start to fail with time and you end up with the end of the tape coming loose and flapping in the wind? That's why I like to finish with the rubber tape. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never failed yet! 1. Tape a layer of Super-33 from the bottom up. Just one layer. 2. Put on a layer of the rubber tape from the bottom up. Just one layer. 3. Tape another layer up with the Super-33 again. From the bottom up as well. Just one layer. This system has worked great for 5 years and all my connections have always been bone dry when taken apart with a utility knife. One thing I can tell you is it better be bone dry when you put this together cause if its not then you just trapped the water in cause nothing is getting in or out. I get the rubber tape at True Value hardware stores. Its less then $4 and does not leave a sticky mess when removed. It has a blue layer between itself on the role so the rubber does not stick together. Its always in the same area as the electrical tape and electrical supplies. I guess its used widely by electricians. I showed a Two Way Radio technician that has 30+ years experience in RF my method and he was very impressed. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl tape? I like how that doesn't come loose over time. Greg On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a little seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets make me a little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with them - a little sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea. This is how I was taught for RF connectors 3 layer process: Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire connection extending 2 past the shrink wrap at both ends Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze repeatedly to conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep the mastic in place and for UV protection http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Hey All, So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional H-Pol Omni antennas, Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as possible. Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical Tape on the Edges of the gear? If there was a place I could see some pictures of the implementations that would be good too. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
I use a small tiewrap around the end to prevent that from happening. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does't the glue on the Super-33 start to fail with time and you end up with the end of the tape coming loose and flapping in the wind? That's why I like to finish with the rubber tape. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never failed yet! 1. Tape a layer of Super-33 from the bottom up. Just one layer. 2. Put on a layer of the rubber tape from the bottom up. Just one layer. 3. Tape another layer up with the Super-33 again. From the bottom up as well. Just one layer. This system has worked great for 5 years and all my connections have always been bone dry when taken apart with a utility knife. One thing I can tell you is it better be bone dry when you put this together cause if its not then you just trapped the water in cause nothing is getting in or out. I get the rubber tape at True Value hardware stores. Its less then $4 and does not leave a sticky mess when removed. It has a blue layer between itself on the role so the rubber does not stick together. Its always in the same area as the electrical tape and electrical supplies. I guess its used widely by electricians. I showed a Two Way Radio technician that has 30+ years experience in RF my method and he was very impressed. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl tape? I like how that doesn't come loose over time. Greg On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a little seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets make me a little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with them - a little sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea. This is how I was taught for RF connectors 3 layer process: Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire connection extending 2 past the shrink wrap at both ends Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze repeatedly to conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep the mastic in place and for UV protection http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Hey All, So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional H-Pol Omni antennas, Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as possible. Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical Tape on the Edges of the gear? If there was a place I could see some pictures of the implementations that would be good too. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
The trick to that is to NOT stretch the last couple wraps on the 33 or 88. Of course all bets are off if it's really cold. I keep a roll in my pants pocket for cold weather wraps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does't the glue on the Super-33 start to fail with time and you end up with the end of the tape coming loose and flapping in the wind? That's why I like to finish with the rubber tape. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never failed yet! 1. Tape a layer of Super-33 from the bottom up. Just one layer. 2. Put on a layer of the rubber tape from the bottom up. Just one layer. 3. Tape another layer up with the Super-33 again. From the bottom up as well. Just one layer. This system has worked great for 5 years and all my connections have always been bone dry when taken apart with a utility knife. One thing I can tell you is it better be bone dry when you put this together cause if its not then you just trapped the water in cause nothing is getting in or out. I get the rubber tape at True Value hardware stores. Its less then $4 and does not leave a sticky mess when removed. It has a blue layer between itself on the role so the rubber does not stick together. Its always in the same area as the electrical tape and electrical supplies. I guess its used widely by electricians. I showed a Two Way Radio technician that has 30+ years experience in RF my method and he was very impressed. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl tape? I like how that doesn't come loose over time. Greg On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a little seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets make me a little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with them - a little sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea. This is how I was taught for RF connectors 3 layer process: Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire connection extending 2 past the shrink wrap at both ends Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze repeatedly to conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep the mastic in place and for UV protection http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Hey All, So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional H-Pol Omni antennas, Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as possible. Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical Tape on the Edges of the gear? If there was a place I could see some pictures of the implementations that would be good too. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum---- butnotforWISP's that's for sure.
The government caters/renders to money/Caesar , not to people/God. Like Bobs says, innovation and development took place and took wireless faster and farther with the governments so called junk bands. Now they see the dollar signs and only a few, the proud, the super rich will get the spectrum. If only physics would change the ISM band or some new algorithm for use in those and available to, dare I say, the not super rich, we would be happier than a gopher in soft dirt. -- Original Message -- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Reply-To: lakel...@gbcx.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:26:43 + I don't think that money would buy the whiite space over The mist remote part of Alaska I'm sorry to say Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:43:14 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not forWISP's that's for sure. What if all the wispa members put in $200 (or $2000) to buy the space? On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Yup.  Auction = huge dollars, the kind none of us have. -- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:33 PM To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org; Motorla List Beehive motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not forWISP's that's for sure. This plan also looks real bad for white spaces --- 1. FCC plan calls for 500 MHz of new spectrum for wireless   By Phil Goldstein  Comment |  Forward WASHINGTON--FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said the commission's national broadband plan will call for freeing up 500 MHz of spectrum over the next decade for mobile broadband use, noting that expanded wireless Internet access will be key to making America more technologically competitive. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
The rule is to never stretch the last 2 winds of the tape as you put it on... and ALWAYS *CUT* the tape, never rip it. Ripping implies stretching till failure. I can always tell who rips and who cuts on towers by the number of vinyl flags flapping when I climb by other antennas on the tower. ryan On Mar 2, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Mike wrote: The trick to that is to NOT stretch the last couple wraps on the 33 or 88. Of course all bets are off if it's really cold. I keep a roll in my pants pocket for cold weather wraps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does't the glue on the Super-33 start to fail with time and you end up with the end of the tape coming loose and flapping in the wind? That's why I like to finish with the rubber tape. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never failed yet! 1. Tape a layer of Super-33 from the bottom up. Just one layer. 2. Put on a layer of the rubber tape from the bottom up. Just one layer. 3. Tape another layer up with the Super-33 again. From the bottom up as well. Just one layer. This system has worked great for 5 years and all my connections have always been bone dry when taken apart with a utility knife. One thing I can tell you is it better be bone dry when you put this together cause if its not then you just trapped the water in cause nothing is getting in or out. I get the rubber tape at True Value hardware stores. Its less then $4 and does not leave a sticky mess when removed. It has a blue layer between itself on the role so the rubber does not stick together. Its always in the same area as the electrical tape and electrical supplies. I guess its used widely by electricians. I showed a Two Way Radio technician that has 30+ years experience in RF my method and he was very impressed. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl tape? I like how that doesn't come loose over time. Greg On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a little seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets make me a little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with them - a little sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea. This is how I was taught for RF connectors 3 layer process: Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire connection extending 2 past the shrink wrap at both ends Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze repeatedly to conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep the mastic in place and for UV protection http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Hey All, So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional H-Pol Omni antennas, Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as possible. Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical Tape on the Edges of the gear? If there was a place I could see some pictures of the implementations that would be good too. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
As Kurt said, always wrap from the bottom up. Think of it like shingling a roof; you wouldn't start at the peak and work down. If you stretch it below where you have the mastic and continue to stretch and wrap, it will hold, as long as you let up for those critical last couple and cut it at the TOP like Ryan said. Most vinyl flags I've seen were at the bottom, and display the entire thing was wrapped incorrectly. Kurt's instruction are almost word for word what you'd find in an Andrews waterproofing kit. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques The rule is to never stretch the last 2 winds of the tape as you put it on... and ALWAYS *CUT* the tape, never rip it. Ripping implies stretching till failure. I can always tell who rips and who cuts on towers by the number of vinyl flags flapping when I climb by other antennas on the tower. ryan On Mar 2, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Mike wrote: The trick to that is to NOT stretch the last couple wraps on the 33 or 88. Of course all bets are off if it's really cold. I keep a roll in my pants pocket for cold weather wraps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does't the glue on the Super-33 start to fail with time and you end up with the end of the tape coming loose and flapping in the wind? That's why I like to finish with the rubber tape. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never failed yet! 1. Tape a layer of Super-33 from the bottom up. Just one layer. 2. Put on a layer of the rubber tape from the bottom up. Just one layer. 3. Tape another layer up with the Super-33 again. From the bottom up as well. Just one layer. This system has worked great for 5 years and all my connections have always been bone dry when taken apart with a utility knife. One thing I can tell you is it better be bone dry when you put this together cause if its not then you just trapped the water in cause nothing is getting in or out. I get the rubber tape at True Value hardware stores. Its less then $4 and does not leave a sticky mess when removed. It has a blue layer between itself on the role so the rubber does not stick together. Its always in the same area as the electrical tape and electrical supplies. I guess its used widely by electricians. I showed a Two Way Radio technician that has 30+ years experience in RF my method and he was very impressed. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl tape? I like how that doesn't come loose over time. Greg On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a little seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets make me a little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with them - a little sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea. This is how I was taught for RF connectors 3 layer process: Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire connection extending 2 past the shrink wrap at both ends Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze repeatedly to conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep the mastic in place and for UV protection http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Hey All, So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional H-Pol Omni antennas, Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as possible. Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical
Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum---- butnotforWISP's that's for sure.
Amen to that brother. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:09 AM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum butnotforWISP's that's for sure. The government caters/renders to money/Caesar , not to people/God. Like Bobs says, innovation and development took place and took wireless faster and farther with the governments so called junk bands. Now they see the dollar signs and only a few, the proud, the super rich will get the spectrum. If only physics would change the ISM band or some new algorithm for use in those and available to, dare I say, the not super rich, we would be happier than a gopher in soft dirt. -- Original Message -- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Reply-To: lakel...@gbcx.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:26:43 + I don't think that money would buy the whiite space over The mist remote part of Alaska I'm sorry to say Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:43:14 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not forWISP's that's for sure. What if all the wispa members put in $200 (or $2000) to buy the space? On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Yup.  Auction = huge dollars, the kind none of us have. -- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:33 PM To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org; Motorla List Beehive motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not forWISP's that's for sure. This plan also looks real bad for white spaces --- 1. FCC plan calls for 500 MHz of new spectrum for wireless   By Phil Goldstein  Comment |  Forward WASHINGTON--FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said the commission's national broadband plan will call for freeing up 500 MHz of spectrum over the next decade for mobile broadband use, noting that expanded wireless Internet access will be key to making America more technologically competitive. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
Stay away from the rubber tape they sell at Ace Hardware, though. The ACE brand sucks. If not wrapped with electrical tape it absolutely falls apart after a month or so in the sun. The UV totally kills it. I've had plenty of the Scotch brand self vulcanizing tape unprotected for years and it weathers just fine. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:53 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never failed yet! 1. Tape a layer of Super-33 from the bottom up. Just one layer. 2. Put on a layer of the rubber tape from the bottom up. Just one layer. 3. Tape another layer up with the Super-33 again. From the bottom up as well. Just one layer. This system has worked great for 5 years and all my connections have always been bone dry when taken apart with a utility knife. One thing I can tell you is it better be bone dry when you put this together cause if its not then you just trapped the water in cause nothing is getting in or out. I get the rubber tape at True Value hardware stores. Its less then $4 and does not leave a sticky mess when removed. It has a blue layer between itself on the role so the rubber does not stick together. Its always in the same area as the electrical tape and electrical supplies. I guess its used widely by electricians. I showed a Two Way Radio technician that has 30+ years experience in RF my method and he was very impressed. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl tape? I like how that doesn't come loose over time. Greg On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a little seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets make me a little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with them - a little sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea. This is how I was taught for RF connectors 3 layer process: Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire connection extending 2 past the shrink wrap at both ends Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze repeatedly to conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep the mastic in place and for UV protection http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Hey All, So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional H-Pol Omni antennas, Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as possible. Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical Tape on the Edges of the gear? If there was a place I could see some pictures of the implementations that would be good too. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
Right, you def are supposed to cut the tape and not stretch it the last few wraps. However sometimes I do end up stretching it untill it breaks cause I forgot a knife at 150 foot up. I have NEVER seen a flap exceed 1.5 inches when using Super-33. It's like the tape peels back to where it didn't get stretched and then it stops peeling and sticks. Just a FYI in case your wondering what the flaps will end up doing over time. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques As Kurt said, always wrap from the bottom up. Think of it like shingling a roof; you wouldn't start at the peak and work down. If you stretch it below where you have the mastic and continue to stretch and wrap, it will hold, as long as you let up for those critical last couple and cut it at the TOP like Ryan said. Most vinyl flags I've seen were at the bottom, and display the entire thing was wrapped incorrectly. Kurt's instruction are almost word for word what you'd find in an Andrews waterproofing kit. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques The rule is to never stretch the last 2 winds of the tape as you put it on... and ALWAYS *CUT* the tape, never rip it. Ripping implies stretching till failure. I can always tell who rips and who cuts on towers by the number of vinyl flags flapping when I climb by other antennas on the tower. ryan On Mar 2, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Mike wrote: The trick to that is to NOT stretch the last couple wraps on the 33 or 88. Of course all bets are off if it's really cold. I keep a roll in my pants pocket for cold weather wraps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does't the glue on the Super-33 start to fail with time and you end up with the end of the tape coming loose and flapping in the wind? That's why I like to finish with the rubber tape. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never failed yet! 1. Tape a layer of Super-33 from the bottom up. Just one layer. 2. Put on a layer of the rubber tape from the bottom up. Just one layer. 3. Tape another layer up with the Super-33 again. From the bottom up as well. Just one layer. This system has worked great for 5 years and all my connections have always been bone dry when taken apart with a utility knife. One thing I can tell you is it better be bone dry when you put this together cause if its not then you just trapped the water in cause nothing is getting in or out. I get the rubber tape at True Value hardware stores. Its less then $4 and does not leave a sticky mess when removed. It has a blue layer between itself on the role so the rubber does not stick together. Its always in the same area as the electrical tape and electrical supplies. I guess its used widely by electricians. I showed a Two Way Radio technician that has 30+ years experience in RF my method and he was very impressed. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl tape? I like how that doesn't come loose over time. Greg On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a little seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets make me a little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with them - a little sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea. This is how I was taught for RF connectors 3 layer process: Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire connection extending 2 past the shrink wrap at both ends Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze repeatedly to conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep the mastic in place and for UV protection http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal# -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
[WISPA] small generator with ATS
I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear
Got an email about the new products over at UBNT.I was looking at the PowerAP, 1000mw indoor router. U I kinda go out of my way to keep from too much RF, I've had 2 friends in the business die from brain cancer and that stuff creeps me out. Any opinions on sleeping next to a 1000mw AP? I can see it in an office situation but I'm too RF conscience. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear
I probably just wouldn't put it under my pillow. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear Got an email about the new products over at UBNT.I was looking at the PowerAP, 1000mw indoor router. U I kinda go out of my way to keep from too much RF, I've had 2 friends in the business die from brain cancer and that stuff creeps me out. Any opinions on sleeping next to a 1000mw AP? I can see it in an office situation but I'm too RF conscience. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
You can convert pretty much any gas or diesel generator to use propane so you may find a cheaper liquid model then just switch it over to propane. In fact, I used to start an old pull start generator with propane just by holding the unlit propane torch to the air intake. Would start with just a couple of pulls and I would let the propane run it until it warmed up and then let it run on the gasoline. Come to think of it, a long time ago I had an old county owned van where the county installed a propane kit on it. It would run off diesel or propane. As much as I could see, it was a propane tank and 2 rubber hoses running to the air intake and a variable flow regulator. Wasn't much involved on it Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear
If it's on the night stand, I'd wear an aluminum foil cap fastened to a good ground. 1 watt in the home? That just seems a little excessive to me. Actually, I think a cell phone to your ear, especially in rural areas where the RF has to be stepped up, would be more of a danger. Have you ever had your spectrum analyzer on and turned on the microwave oven? From anyplace in my house, the microwave shows more signal than even right next to the always on AP. I'd worry more about that too. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear Got an email about the new products over at UBNT.I was looking at the PowerAP, 1000mw indoor router. U I kinda go out of my way to keep from too much RF, I've had 2 friends in the business die from brain cancer and that stuff creeps me out. Any opinions on sleeping next to a 1000mw AP? I can see it in an office situation but I'm too RF conscience. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
I did something similar ONCE to start my generator. I squirted ether into the air intake to get it started. It took a few weeks for my eyebrows to grow back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS You can convert pretty much any gas or diesel generator to use propane so you may find a cheaper liquid model then just switch it over to propane. In fact, I used to start an old pull start generator with propane just by holding the unlit propane torch to the air intake. Would start with just a couple of pulls and I would let the propane run it until it warmed up and then let it run on the gasoline. Come to think of it, a long time ago I had an old county owned van where the county installed a propane kit on it. It would run off diesel or propane. As much as I could see, it was a propane tank and 2 rubber hoses running to the air intake and a variable flow regulator. Wasn't much involved on it Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
Ha! Ether BAD! I think we've all learned that lesson! The propane is fairly safe, -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I did something similar ONCE to start my generator. I squirted ether into the air intake to get it started. It took a few weeks for my eyebrows to grow back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS You can convert pretty much any gas or diesel generator to use propane so you may find a cheaper liquid model then just switch it over to propane. In fact, I used to start an old pull start generator with propane just by holding the unlit propane torch to the air intake. Would start with just a couple of pulls and I would let the propane run it until it warmed up and then let it run on the gasoline. Come to think of it, a long time ago I had an old county owned van where the county installed a propane kit on it. It would run off diesel or propane. As much as I could see, it was a propane tank and 2 rubber hoses running to the air intake and a variable flow regulator. Wasn't much involved on it Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
I bet I haven't used ether since the late 70's. You're bringing back bad memories of me and a chain saw from hell. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I did something similar ONCE to start my generator. I squirted ether into the air intake to get it started. It took a few weeks for my eyebrows to grow back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS You can convert pretty much any gas or diesel generator to use propane so you may find a cheaper liquid model then just switch it over to propane. In fact, I used to start an old pull start generator with propane just by holding the unlit propane torch to the air intake. Would start with just a couple of pulls and I would let the propane run it until it warmed up and then let it run on the gasoline. Come to think of it, a long time ago I had an old county owned van where the county installed a propane kit on it. It would run off diesel or propane. As much as I could see, it was a propane tank and 2 rubber hoses running to the air intake and a variable flow regulator. Wasn't much involved on it Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
Alpha power makes some nice small automatic generators that run off propane. They are about the size of one of those pad mount battery boxes that the cable industry uses to back up their outdoor plant. The small ones are vertically oriented and don't take up much ground space. Available in 24VDC, 48VDC, and 110 VAC. They are expensive though. The cheapest prepackaged system that you can (mostly) trust and is not a hack is the small Generac air cooled line. 8 kW is the smallest and they will run on natural gas or propane. These can be found for $2000 shipped with the ATS. http://zillerelectric.com/Generac_Air_Cooled/Guardian_Generator_5501.html Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Marco Coelho wrote: I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
Bob, Are you sure that wasn't N2O? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I bet I haven't used ether since the late 70's. You're bringing back bad memories of me and a chain saw from hell. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I did something similar ONCE to start my generator. I squirted ether into the air intake to get it started. It took a few weeks for my eyebrows to grow back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS You can convert pretty much any gas or diesel generator to use propane so you may find a cheaper liquid model then just switch it over to propane. In fact, I used to start an old pull start generator with propane just by holding the unlit propane torch to the air intake. Would start with just a couple of pulls and I would let the propane run it until it warmed up and then let it run on the gasoline. Come to think of it, a long time ago I had an old county owned van where the county installed a propane kit on it. It would run off diesel or propane. As much as I could see, it was a propane tank and 2 rubber hoses running to the air intake and a variable flow regulator. Wasn't much involved on it Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
We just ordered a GE 7KW from homedepot. #100661779 It comes with automatic transfer for $2239. No idea if it auto exercises; I'll find out soon enough. What's your actual load? For most of my tower sites, deep cycle batteries and tripplite APS are my solution. On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:27:46AM -0600, Marco Coelho wrote: I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
Surly you do not mean N2O I have a few stories about N2O. Only one involves the cops. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS Bob, Are you sure that wasn't N2O? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I bet I haven't used ether since the late 70's. You're bringing back bad memories of me and a chain saw from hell. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I did something similar ONCE to start my generator. I squirted ether into the air intake to get it started. It took a few weeks for my eyebrows to grow back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS You can convert pretty much any gas or diesel generator to use propane so you may find a cheaper liquid model then just switch it over to propane. In fact, I used to start an old pull start generator with propane just by holding the unlit propane torch to the air intake. Would start with just a couple of pulls and I would let the propane run it until it warmed up and then let it run on the gasoline. Come to think of it, a long time ago I had an old county owned van where the county installed a propane kit on it. It would run off diesel or propane. As much as I could see, it was a propane tank and 2 rubber hoses running to the air intake and a variable flow regulator. Wasn't much involved on it Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
I've thought off an on about using old APC units for backup. I have a small pile of them, batteries bad. People give them to me. Will APC backup units handle connecting a full size deep cycle battery to them? I guess I could try it. Doesn't have to look pretty sitting in a box.. Anyone do that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS We just ordered a GE 7KW from homedepot. #100661779 It comes with automatic transfer for $2239. No idea if it auto exercises; I'll find out soon enough. What's your actual load? For most of my tower sites, deep cycle batteries and tripplite APS are my solution. On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:27:46AM -0600, Marco Coelho wrote: I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
Sorry, I mean N02. Sheeesh.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS Surly you do not mean N2O I have a few stories about N2O. Only one involves the cops. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS Bob, Are you sure that wasn't N2O? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I bet I haven't used ether since the late 70's. You're bringing back bad memories of me and a chain saw from hell. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I did something similar ONCE to start my generator. I squirted ether into the air intake to get it started. It took a few weeks for my eyebrows to grow back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS You can convert pretty much any gas or diesel generator to use propane so you may find a cheaper liquid model then just switch it over to propane. In fact, I used to start an old pull start generator with propane just by holding the unlit propane torch to the air intake. Would start with just a couple of pulls and I would let the propane run it until it warmed up and then let it run on the gasoline. Come to think of it, a long time ago I had an old county owned van where the county installed a propane kit on it. It would run off diesel or propane. As much as I could see, it was a propane tank and 2 rubber hoses running to the air intake and a variable flow regulator. Wasn't much involved on it Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] small generator with ATS I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
The deep cycle batteries and an inverter are a good idea. I like the APC units much better than the Tripplites; they have better power supplies. I have replaced a dead internal gel cell with an external deep cycle battery. The only down side is the trickle circuitry is sized for a 7 ah or so battery and NOT a 60 ah. I have actually been contemplating running both a solar panel and a wind generator combination to power the equipment at the noc. The marketing mileage I would get out of that, in this day of green awareness would be tremendous. The marketing would be that the entire network is powered with green energy, and you could tout that in advertising and your literature. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS We just ordered a GE 7KW from homedepot. #100661779 It comes with automatic transfer for $2239. No idea if it auto exercises; I'll find out soon enough. What's your actual load? For most of my tower sites, deep cycle batteries and tripplite APS are my solution. On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:27:46AM -0600, Marco Coelho wrote: I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RIP Nortel
It was in 2000 we spent 8 million with Nortel to build a new CLEC in SW Florida. In 10 years they went from advertising during the Superbowl to having vultures pick the bones. http://blog.connectedplanetonline.com/unfiltered/2010/02/25/nortels-name-lik ely-dies-with-genband-sale/ Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 Mike's http://www.tamatoledonews.com/page/category.detail/nav/5001/Local-Columns.h tml Weekly Column 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:25:37AM -0600, Mike wrote: The deep cycle batteries and an inverter are a good idea. I like the APC units much better than the Tripplites; they have better power supplies. I've had APCs run great for 10 years, others have gotten hot and bulged batteries to the extent that the units had to be fully dissasembled to get the batteries out. We still get them for small ($100) UPSs, but use Tripplite APS for the bigger stuff. We've got sites that will run 20+ hours on a 100AH 12v battery without us intervening. Compared to a portable generator, that saves three visits if power is restored in time. 1 to bring in and start a generator, one refuel, one visit to hook back up to utility power. I have replaced a dead internal gel cell with an external deep cycle battery. The only down side is the trickle circuitry is sized for a 7 ah or so battery and NOT a 60 ah. So get a $20 general purpose trickle charger from walmart or harborfreight if you want to go this route. I have actually been contemplating running both a solar panel and a wind generator combination to power the equipment at the noc. Wing looks nice, but it's a pain unless you do grid-tied. You need large batteries to absorb the power generated and some of the wind generators aren't particularly reliable either. I think it has a strong future as a component of international energy needs, but it's sort of frustrating in an isolated setup. The marketing mileage I would get out of that, in this day of green awareness would be tremendous. The marketing would be that the entire network is powered with green energy, and you could tout that in advertising and your literature. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS We just ordered a GE 7KW from homedepot. #100661779 It comes with automatic transfer for $2239. No idea if it auto exercises; I'll find out soon enough. What's your actual load? For most of my tower sites, deep cycle batteries and tripplite APS are my solution. On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:27:46AM -0600, Marco Coelho wrote: I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small tower sites. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] BIP/BTOP
For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
I don't see anything about that listed on broadbandusa.gov. The only posting for today is the latest winners from round one. Where are you looking? Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
Odd, it's not in the press releases updates section...but it IS in the FAQ! Thanks Chris! Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
Tuesday, March 2, 2010 NTIA and RUS will grant a limited extension of time to file infrastructure applications in the second funding round. Specifically, applicants for BTOP Comprehensive Community Infrastructure projects will have until March 26th to file their applications to NTIA. Applicants for BIP infrastructure projects will have until March 29th to file their applications to RUS. Applications in NTIA's two other project categories - Public Computer Centers and Sustainable Broadband Adoption - remain due on March 15th. -Matt On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: I don't see anything about that listed on broadbandusa.gov. The only posting for today is the latest winners from round one. Where are you looking? Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED!!!!
I don't remember the email conversation, but it's very interesting and I'll be looking at upgrading some units evidently to the latest version.with a backup plan. -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:07:51 -0500 Well I don't know if many of you remember this issue but after about a year of back and forth with Tranzeo and them playing the blame game on weather or not there was an issue with CPQ/SL2's while running in router mode and the NAT tables getting full, this issue has finally been solved! The issue was apparently due to the units not having enough onboard RAM while running in router mode. Firmware version 5.0.4 - reduced the connection tables timeout values significantly. I consider this a band-aid fix but it does fix the problem and I'm happy. Firmware version 5.0.2 - still had the problem with the NAT tables getting full. Now here is where things get interesting. Firmware version 5.0.3 - this version is not anywhere on the website for download. Newer CPQ19's and possible SL2's are shipping with firmware 5.0.3. A unit with this firmware will not upgrade to 5.0.4. If you try it then it says that it is incompatible version. So I'm thinking what the heck? I can't upgrade to the version that fixed the NAT problem right so I'm screwed!?! WRONG, started digging around in the Tranzeo readme files and version 5.0.3 says this 5.0.3 was created solely to facilitate changes on Tranzeo's Production Line. There are no feature differences between 5.0.2 and 5.0.3. So they changed the production line huh? You are wondering what that means right? They ADDED MORE RAM TO THESE NEWER BOARDS. Thus fixing the problem, that's why there is no difference between version 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 (see file attached log.JPG) Check this out all newer boards have the this following name in the software TR6-5.0.3CPQ-HWr3 HWr3??? Guessing that means Hardware Version 3 (see file attached HWr3.JPG) So they still haven't publicly come out and said Hey yes there was a problem, but now its fixed. And they probably never will admit it. I'm guessing this is so the shareholders don't get spooked. Anyways I'm just glad that its fixed. I remember loosing customers 2 years ago over this issue before I even knew that the Tranzeo CPE was at fault. Just my 2 cents Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:56 AM To: Kurt Fankhauser Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, Snickerno. Talked to them at length. Gave them access to our network. SNMP and the whole deal. Lot's of test driving, ooohhhs and aahhhs and remarks like, We found some interesting things. Then...nothing but crickets chirping. We have rolled back all units and are continuing to migrate away from their products. It's a shame. 900 mhz units seemed to get messed up the most by 4.02. Can't tell you why. Some had to go back to Tranzeo. Bill SmartBurst Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Bill, Have you found a solution to this yet? Tranzeo seems to have been doing nothing as newest firmware release still has the problem. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:40 AM To: Kurt Fankhauser Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Getting customers back online first. Our owner will likely do that, but will forward your email to him. -Bill Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Have you emailed Tranzeo Support on this issue? What was their response? If you havn't you need to email them and CC: me because they apparently are not even working on this issue. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: wisp-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:wisp-ow...@part-15.org] On Behalf Of Bill Todd Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:13 AM To: w...@part-15.org Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? We are seeing that too, same thing it isn't on all radios with 4.02, but enough of them that it's now officially breaking working radios. We only upgraded to fix non responsive GUI, (and liked the config backup option) but we won't do ANY more of these. Gotta go swap out customer radio this morning. It's a 6019. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
And the Broadband Strangle Us, er I mean Stimulus, continues. This continued postponement of decisions, awards, etc. is having the opposite effect as intended. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP Tuesday, March 2, 2010 NTIA and RUS will grant a limited extension of time to file infrastructure applications in the second funding round. Specifically, applicants for BTOP Comprehensive Community Infrastructure projects will have until March 26th to file their applications to NTIA. Applicants for BIP infrastructure projects will have until March 29th to file their applications to RUS. Applications in NTIA's two other project categories - Public Computer Centers and Sustainable Broadband Adoption - remain due on March 15th. -Matt On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: I don't see anything about that listed on broadbandusa.gov. The only posting for today is the latest winners from round one. Where are you looking? Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
And the Broadband Strangle Us, er I mean Stimulus, continues. This continued postponement of decisions, awards, etc. is having the opposite effect as intended. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP Tuesday, March 2, 2010 NTIA and RUS will grant a limited extension of time to file infrastructure applications in the second funding round. Specifically, applicants for BTOP Comprehensive Community Infrastructure projects will have until March 26th to file their applications to NTIA. Applicants for BIP infrastructure projects will have until March 29th to file their applications to RUS. Applications in NTIA's two other project categories - Public Computer Centers and Sustainable Broadband Adoption - remain due on March 15th. -Matt On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: I don't see anything about that listed on broadbandusa.gov. The only posting for today is the latest winners from round one. Where are you looking? Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you. The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
I'd tell them to 'Bring It', it's on ! -- Original Message -- From: Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:46:58 -0700 Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you. The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
What's the new date? Chuck Bartosch wrote: Odd, it's not in the press releases updates section...but it IS in the FAQ! Thanks Chris! Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
We prefer: Layer Material 1 coating of liquid scotch coat 2 3M self vulcanizing tape 3 coating of liquid scotch coat 4 3M self vulcanizing tape 5 cheap electrical tape The liquid scotch coat really seals everything up. No issues with pvc, teflon, or other jacket materials. The 3M tape creates a continuous sheath (rap bottom up). The second layer ensures no leaks if the first layer was misaplied. The electrical tape is to prevent the sun from breaking down the 23 tape. I've never seen a cable done this way leak in any fashion. I cannot say this for mastic. Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. Items: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=340-250source=googleps http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=ensafe=offclient=firefox-ahs=EWrrls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialq=scotch+23+rubber+splicing+tapeoq=um=1ie=UTF-8cid=12178016387841989432ei=9FCNS7LrGNOWtgfJ6qTwCAsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CB8Q8wIwAg#ps-sellers WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Wallace wrote: Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? I strongly doubt that. The feds tend to take the law pretty seriously. Disclosure that isn't in accordance with written agreements would almost certainly be a federal offense. I'm not a lawyer, but everything I have read says that the feds are pretty compliant. This person probably is on various e-mail lists (maybe even on this one), and/or has access to various business registration databases (I presume you are registered with your city/county/state and the federal government or some combination thereof?) 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you. I would contact your local FBI office. This seems quite suspicious. It could even be considered a threat. The feds really don't like it when people try to use them as an intimidation element. The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Quite fraudulent. Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Absolutely. What info is this person asking for? When was it asked for? Did you record the phone number? Make sure to have all info in line before going to the FBI. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuNUoAACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE+oWQCfXkzdCgZA2oRIxfxF7KicTcpC VGQAn21TY80CDVocZ4u7m2FGLOuYX0nu =UdNY -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:46:58AM -0700, Jason Wallace wrote: Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program I'm not aware of such a company. I have seen lists of companies with regard to 477, but not the actual data. So if she got contact info, that's probably publicly available information. She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you. The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
Monday, March 29th for BIP and Friday, March 26th for BTOP (for the infrastructure builds that WISPs would be concerned with). Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Jack Unger wrote: What's the new date? Chuck Bartosch wrote: Odd, it's not in the press releases updates section...but it IS in the FAQ! Thanks Chris! Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats - who they are!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rosenberg-TX/Broadband-Properties-Magazine/163983686345 http://www.bbpmag.com/ Hope this helps. Mark -- From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats? I'd tell them to 'Bring It', it's on ! -- Original Message -- From: Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:46:58 -0700 Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you. The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fiber Terminations
OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination job. Tnx Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Private fiber deployments
I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily timbered, means I can't get even 900 to work well in it. When the original owner/developer started this thing, he put in underground power and phones to some of it, and some of it's in the air. The roads are not county property, they are owned by the HOA that runs the development.Anyone familiar with what legal entanglements and requirements are involved in stringing fiber? I would need to run about 1-2 miles, at absolute most, and it would pass 30 to 40 homes / yet undeveloped lots. Where do I look for best practices for build out, who's done this kind of stuff? Any input or experiences with this appreciated. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
Isn't the trend these days to splice already terminated tails rather than installing connectors? I hear splicing is much faster and touts a less chance of error. At least that's what I learned last time we looked into doing our own fiber terminations... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination job. Tnx Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
I like these: http://www.afltele.com/resourcecenter/userguides/pdfs/FAST-SC-ST-LC-Connector-Instructions.pdf I think they were about $6.00 each. They are as easy to install as the website claims. Bob Moldashel wrote: OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination job. Tnx Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MDK wrote: I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily timbered, means I can't get even 900 to work well in it. Sounds about right. When the original owner/developer started this thing, he put in underground power and phones to some of it, and some of it's in the air. Interesting. How accessible is the conduit etc? Is the demarc at the edge, or does the phone company own anything inside? Just wondering if you can get access to the existing paths with just the HOA approval. The roads are not county property, they are owned by the HOA that runs the development. That's good. Is the power/phone is HOA property as well? Or a local utility company? Anyone familiar with what legal entanglements and requirements are involved in stringing fiber? Most of what I have read is about right of way issues from cities. Presumably there are code requirements of some sort. Talk to guys like http://www.scte.org/ I would need to run about 1-2 miles, at absolute most, and it would pass 30 to 40 homes / yet undeveloped lots. Interesting. Would it be a loop? Passive or active? you should start a blog and keep track of what you find! :) Where do I look for best practices for build out, who's done this kind of stuff? There is an organization that does a lot of the cabling standards and stuff bsci or bcsi or something. Having a hard time recalling the name right now. There is also scte. Search around for outside plant ... that is what has turned up a lot of good info for me. Of course I'm more of a hobbyist, and just intrigued by all the outside plant. :) Any input or experiences with this appreciated. Hopefully other far more experienced folks then I can share as well. :) - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuNXIsACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE9ZsgCeLeHW9y1cUiW1dxuS1J7O1lJR BLkAnRMDHnkdoXCwOo6T0FY40gghvgms =Lusb -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_plant is a good starting point most likely. - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuNXK0ACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE+7XgCfZjvVQMs+bHyjWSRXs1fKX3RJ NxcAni51LCqToD2l8dhAl1RQvdhVmgBC =NE48 -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
Google each email address separately. There are a few hits that relate. Matt Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you. The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
Both are feasible, though technically terminating would result in less loss since a splice adds another point of attenuation, if small. It also depends on the type of splice. Fusion splicing provides the best splice result though a mechanical splice might be faster and avoids the cost of renting a splicer. Terminations (which also do not require rental equipment) are much simpler than when I was a fiber tech and should not cost you much. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations Isn't the trend these days to splice already terminated tails rather than installing connectors? I hear splicing is much faster and touts a less chance of error. At least that's what I learned last time we looked into doing our own fiber terminations... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination job. Tnx Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
On 2 March 2010 13:28, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination job. Hang around the loading dock of your local Cable TV office and buy the guy carrying the big Fujikura box a six pack. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Airspan Hipermax
Anyone using this product in 3.65 or 2.3 ghz? Can you provide any results. Thanks, - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:27:45AM -0800, MDK wrote: I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily timbered, means I can't get even 900 to work well in it. When the original owner/developer started this thing, he put in underground power and phones to some of it, and some of it's in the air. The roads are not county property, they are owned by the HOA that runs the development.Anyone familiar with what legal entanglements and requirements are involved in stringing fiber? I would need to run about 1-2 miles, at absolute most, and it would pass 30 to 40 homes / yet undeveloped lots. Sounds like you're all set. Get HOA permission and do it. This is really the simplest type of deployment as far as permissions go. If the pole are owned by a utility, you probably can't use them. You can run the fiber over the ground, on privately owned poles, or trenched. I've run it over the ground in an association. Just don't run it too close to the road where it might get damaged by a plow or bushhog. Make sure you use outdoor fiber, leave some slack for future splices, etc... I'd do active ethernet rather than gepon. Where do I look for best practices for build out, who's done this kind of stuff? Any input or experiences with this appreciated. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
The ones I used years ago were big pigs and the OTDRs we in huge rolling cases. The last fusion splicer I saw was a little DC model that was about the size of sandwich. It is a measure of my advancing years I suppose. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations On 2 March 2010 13:28, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination job. Hang around the loading dock of your local Cable TV office and buy the guy carrying the big Fujikura box a six pack. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mac Dearman
Mac, are you still around? Walter/NJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman
Geez, don't use a subject like that. Makes me think that I'm going to read something bad. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Walter W Stumpf Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Mac, are you still around? Walter/NJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mac Dearman is...
Right...this would be much more fun! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Geez, don't use a subject like that. Makes me think that I'm going to read something bad. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Walter W Stumpf Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Mac, are you still around? Walter/NJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear
No worries since you cant buy them :) -Rick On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Got an email about the new products over at UBNT. I was looking at the PowerAP, 1000mw indoor router. U I kinda go out of my way to keep from too much RF, I've had 2 friends in the business die from brain cancer and that stuff creeps me out. Any opinions on sleeping next to a 1000mw AP? I can see it in an office situation but I'm too RF conscience. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? - SOLVED!!!!
I remember Kurt. I also remember they dont like easy access to the reset switch. Tranzeo units work well but thank goodness for choice! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Well I don't know if many of you remember this issue but after about a year of back and forth with Tranzeo and them playing the blame game on weather or not there was an issue with CPQ/SL2's while running in router mode and the NAT tables getting full, this issue has finally been solved! The issue was apparently due to the units not having enough onboard RAM while running in router mode. Firmware version 5.0.4 - reduced the connection tables timeout values significantly. I consider this a band-aid fix but it does fix the problem and I'm happy. Firmware version 5.0.2 - still had the problem with the NAT tables getting full. Now here is where things get interesting. Firmware version 5.0.3 - this version is not anywhere on the website for download. Newer CPQ19's and possible SL2's are shipping with firmware 5.0.3. A unit with this firmware will not upgrade to 5.0.4. If you try it then it says that it is incompatible version. So I'm thinking what the heck? I can't upgrade to the version that fixed the NAT problem right so I'm screwed!?! WRONG, started digging around in the Tranzeo readme files and version 5.0.3 says this 5.0.3 was created solely to facilitate changes on Tranzeo's Production Line. There are no feature differences between 5.0.2 and 5.0.3. So they changed the production line huh? You are wondering what that means right? They ADDED MORE RAM TO THESE NEWER BOARDS. Thus fixing the problem, that's why there is no difference between version 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 (see file attached log.JPG) Check this out all newer boards have the this following name in the software TR6-5.0.3CPQ-HWr3 HWr3??? Guessing that means Hardware Version 3 (see file attached HWr3.JPG) So they still haven't publicly come out and said Hey yes there was a problem, but now its fixed. And they probably never will admit it. I'm guessing this is so the shareholders don't get spooked. Anyways I'm just glad that its fixed. I remember loosing customers 2 years ago over this issue before I even knew that the Tranzeo CPE was at fault. Just my 2 cents Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:56 AM To: Kurt Fankhauser Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, Snickerno. Talked to them at length. Gave them access to our network. SNMP and the whole deal. Lot's of test driving, ooohhhs and aahhhs and remarks like, We found some interesting things. Then...nothing but crickets chirping. We have rolled back all units and are continuing to migrate away from their products. It's a shame. 900 mhz units seemed to get messed up the most by 4.02. Can't tell you why. Some had to go back to Tranzeo. Bill SmartBurst Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Bill, Have you found a solution to this yet? Tranzeo seems to have been doing nothing as newest firmware release still has the problem. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:40 AM To: Kurt Fankhauser Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Getting customers back online first. Our owner will likely do that, but will forward your email to him. -Bill Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Have you emailed Tranzeo Support on this issue? What was their response? If you havn't you need to email them and CC: me because they apparently are not even working on this issue. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: wisp-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:wisp-ow...@part-15.org] On Behalf Of Bill Todd Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:13 AM To: w...@part-15.org Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? We are seeing that too, same thing it isn't on all radios with 4.02, but enough of them that it's now officially breaking working radios. We only upgraded to fix non responsive GUI, (and liked the config backup option) but we won't do ANY more of these. Gotta go swap out customer radio this morning. It's a 6019. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED!!!!
I prefer not having easy access to the reset switch. That way a competitor can't come along and swap your customer onto their service and use the CPE that I still own. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED I remember Kurt. I also remember they dont like easy access to the reset switch. Tranzeo units work well but thank goodness for choice! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Well I don't know if many of you remember this issue but after about a year of back and forth with Tranzeo and them playing the blame game on weather or not there was an issue with CPQ/SL2's while running in router mode and the NAT tables getting full, this issue has finally been solved! The issue was apparently due to the units not having enough onboard RAM while running in router mode. Firmware version 5.0.4 - reduced the connection tables timeout values significantly. I consider this a band-aid fix but it does fix the problem and I'm happy. Firmware version 5.0.2 - still had the problem with the NAT tables getting full. Now here is where things get interesting. Firmware version 5.0.3 - this version is not anywhere on the website for download. Newer CPQ19's and possible SL2's are shipping with firmware 5.0.3. A unit with this firmware will not upgrade to 5.0.4. If you try it then it says that it is incompatible version. So I'm thinking what the heck? I can't upgrade to the version that fixed the NAT problem right so I'm screwed!?! WRONG, started digging around in the Tranzeo readme files and version 5.0.3 says this 5.0.3 was created solely to facilitate changes on Tranzeo's Production Line. There are no feature differences between 5.0.2 and 5.0.3. So they changed the production line huh? You are wondering what that means right? They ADDED MORE RAM TO THESE NEWER BOARDS. Thus fixing the problem, that's why there is no difference between version 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 (see file attached log.JPG) Check this out all newer boards have the this following name in the software TR6-5.0.3CPQ-HWr3 HWr3??? Guessing that means Hardware Version 3 (see file attached HWr3.JPG) So they still haven't publicly come out and said Hey yes there was a problem, but now its fixed. And they probably never will admit it. I'm guessing this is so the shareholders don't get spooked. Anyways I'm just glad that its fixed. I remember loosing customers 2 years ago over this issue before I even knew that the Tranzeo CPE was at fault. Just my 2 cents Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:56 AM To: Kurt Fankhauser Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, Snickerno. Talked to them at length. Gave them access to our network. SNMP and the whole deal. Lot's of test driving, ooohhhs and aahhhs and remarks like, We found some interesting things. Then...nothing but crickets chirping. We have rolled back all units and are continuing to migrate away from their products. It's a shame. 900 mhz units seemed to get messed up the most by 4.02. Can't tell you why. Some had to go back to Tranzeo. Bill SmartBurst Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Bill, Have you found a solution to this yet? Tranzeo seems to have been doing nothing as newest firmware release still has the problem. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:40 AM To: Kurt Fankhauser Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Getting customers back online first. Our owner will likely do that, but will forward your email to him. -Bill Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Have you emailed Tranzeo Support on this issue? What was their response? If you havn't you need to email them and CC: me because they apparently are not even working on this issue. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: wisp-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:wisp-ow...@part-15.org] On Behalf Of Bill Todd Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:13 AM To: w...@part-15.org Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? We are seeing that too, same thing it isn't on all radios with 4.02, but enough of them that it's now officially breaking working radios. We only upgraded to fix non responsive GUI, (and liked the config backup option) but we won't do ANY more of these. Gotta go swap out customer radio this
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED!!!!
To each his own but there is a reason every equipment manufacturer I know of has an easy to get to reset switch. As you know, with Tranzeo, you have to break the unit apart which convienently invalidates the warranty. Who owns your CPE, you or the customer? If your competition is using your radios, arent they doing so illegally? -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I prefer not having easy access to the reset switch. That way a competitor can't come along and swap your customer onto their service and use the CPE that I still own. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED I remember Kurt. I also remember they dont like easy access to the reset switch. Tranzeo units work well but thank goodness for choice! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Well I don't know if many of you remember this issue but after about a year of back and forth with Tranzeo and them playing the blame game on weather or not there was an issue with CPQ/SL2's while running in router mode and the NAT tables getting full, this issue has finally been solved! The issue was apparently due to the units not having enough onboard RAM while running in router mode. Firmware version 5.0.4 - reduced the connection tables timeout values significantly. I consider this a band-aid fix but it does fix the problem and I'm happy. Firmware version 5.0.2 - still had the problem with the NAT tables getting full. Now here is where things get interesting. Firmware version 5.0.3 - this version is not anywhere on the website for download. Newer CPQ19's and possible SL2's are shipping with firmware 5.0.3. A unit with this firmware will not upgrade to 5.0.4. If you try it then it says that it is incompatible version. So I'm thinking what the heck? I can't upgrade to the version that fixed the NAT problem right so I'm screwed!?! WRONG, started digging around in the Tranzeo readme files and version 5.0.3 says this 5.0.3 was created solely to facilitate changes on Tranzeo's Production Line. There are no feature differences between 5.0.2 and 5.0.3. So they changed the production line huh? You are wondering what that means right? They ADDED MORE RAM TO THESE NEWER BOARDS. Thus fixing the problem, that's why there is no difference between version 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 (see file attached log.JPG) Check this out all newer boards have the this following name in the software TR6-5.0.3CPQ-HWr3 HWr3??? Guessing that means Hardware Version 3 (see file attached HWr3.JPG) So they still haven't publicly come out and said Hey yes there was a problem, but now its fixed. And they probably never will admit it. I'm guessing this is so the shareholders don't get spooked. Anyways I'm just glad that its fixed. I remember loosing customers 2 years ago over this issue before I even knew that the Tranzeo CPE was at fault. Just my 2 cents Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:56 AM To: Kurt Fankhauser Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, Snickerno. Talked to them at length. Gave them access to our network. SNMP and the whole deal. Lot's of test driving, ooohhhs and aahhhs and remarks like, We found some interesting things. Then...nothing but crickets chirping. We have rolled back all units and are continuing to migrate away from their products. It's a shame. 900 mhz units seemed to get messed up the most by 4.02. Can't tell you why. Some had to go back to Tranzeo. Bill SmartBurst Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Bill, Have you found a solution to this yet? Tranzeo seems to have been doing nothing as newest firmware release still has the problem. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:40 AM To: Kurt Fankhauser Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Getting customers back online first. Our owner will likely do that, but will forward your email to him. -Bill Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Have you emailed Tranzeo Support on this issue? What was their response? If you havn't you need to email them and CC: me because they apparently are not even working on this issue. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: wisp-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:wisp-ow...@part-15.org] On
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
There is a certain amount of public data available from the 477 data. One piece of data they do have is a list of all the people who actually filed. Beyond that they don't have much information other than the aggregated reports filed by the FCC. This woman is clearly thinking she has a lot more authority than she does. You do not have to comply with anything, although it would not be in your best interest (my opinion obviously). I would call her back and ask to speak to her supervisor and/or ask for the contact information for the master contract holder for your state mapping initiative. I would then play that message and/r tell them the tactics this woman is employing. I highly doubt the state wants her pissing the carriers off like this. She's just trying to get a lot of data together because each state is required to have a significant data contribution to the NTIA by March 31st. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats? Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the Federal Broadband Mapping Program She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you. The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Greg, We do have a few engineers still hanging here that can assist you with this, we do charge, but if you need some assistance let us know! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
What kind of IP config do you have on ether1 and can the 750 ping out? On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check masq rule on outbound interface and that connection tracking is enabled. -Original Message- From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 March 2010 23:11 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Oh yes, don't forget irc://irc.freenode.net/##mikrotik Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check masq rule on outbound interface and that connection tracking is enabled. -Original Message- From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 March 2010 23:11 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] signal too hot!
I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. -Cameron I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
No downside. You introduced 25dB of attenuation is all. Smart move actually -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] signal too hot! I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
Darn county road is between them and the silo :( On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, c...@midcoast.com wrote: Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. -Cameron I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
I had a customer like this - I just moved the CPE on the inside. Use that rubber stick to the glass mount. I know the Nanostations can, for your sake I hope the Locos can too, use a window mount (or wall mount) and put it inside the house. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:54 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Darn county road is between them and the silo :( On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, c...@midcoast.com wrote: Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. -Cameron I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower contracts
One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government they have that clause. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
They can, I even tested it but I've never had good luck with indoor installs. It seems they always have weird issues. Maybe new stuff is better? On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I had a customer like this - I just moved the CPE on the inside. Use that rubber stick to the glass mount. I know the Nanostations can, for your sake I hope the Locos can too, use a window mount (or wall mount) and put it inside the house. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:54 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Darn county road is between them and the silo :( On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, c...@midcoast.com wrote: Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. -Cameron I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. is your out. This looks pretty good. One of the things we have added to our contracts is legal fees arising from litigation are the responsibility of the litigant. This causes governments etc to think twice before filing a $20,000 legal battle over a $20 item. ryan On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Cliff w...@eccentrixtechnologies.comwrote: My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government they have that clause. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
I have copied the paragraph, reversed the words and then it protects both. Haven't done it with a government entity, but contracts really should be to protect both parties. RickG wrote: One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I shoudl? Here is the whole agreement: EASEMENT AGREEMENT 1. PARTIES: , hereinafter referred to as “Grantor”. CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as “Grantee”. 2. AFFECTED PROPERTY: Grantor is currently the owner of the following described real property located in the City of Anytown, Kentucky: Anytown Water Tower and its Premises LEGAL DESCRIPTION – TBD Hereinafter referred to as “the Property”. 3. GRANT OF EASEMENT: For a period of five (5) years from the date of implementation, the Grantor does hereby grant unto the Grantee, a Utility Easement for the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) for the limited purposes directly associated with providing high-speed, wireless internet service to the surrounding area. 4. TYPE OF EASEMENT: The easement described above shall provide the Grantee reasonable access to the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) in order to install and maintain antennae, associated transceiver devices, required electrical power, and required electrical grounding. All aspects of this easement are secondary to the primary purposes of the Property as a public water supply. All fixtures, devices, and activities are subject to the approval of the Water Department of the City of Anytown and any existing or future requirements of the Kentucky Department of Water and/or superseding authorities. The City of Anytown does not provide for continuous business operations; consequently, reasonable access to the Property is generally limited to normal business hours and subject to the availably of municipal personnel and resources. 5. CONSIDERATION: The City of Anytown recognizes the manifest public need for high-speed internet access and the current technological limitations that result in the requirements that only wireless technologies can address. Subsequently, the City of Anytown does not require any payments in consideration of this easement. However, the City of Anytown shall provide for the costs of electrical power to operate the Grantee's hardware once installed on the Property, not to exceed a load of twenty amperes (20 Amps) at one hundred twenty volts (120V). In consideration of these electrical costs, the Grantee shall provide its standard, non-profit service package and maintenance to the Office of the Anytown City Clerk at 123 Main Street, Anytown, KY. The City of Anytown may extend the network as needed for the purposes of government. 6. MAINTENANCE: The Grantor shall maintain the Property in a manner consistent with its primary purpose as a public water supply. The Grantee shall inform the Grantor of any observed maintenance issues which might arise. 7. INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. 8. REMEDIES: In addition to all other remedies allowed by law, the parties, their successors and assigns, shall have the right to seek injunctive relief for the enforcement of the terms and conditions of this agreement. 9. BINDING EFFECT ON SUCCESSOR INTERESTS: The terms, conditions and provisions of this agreement shall extend to, be binding upon and inure to the benefit of the heirs, personal representatives and assigns of the parties. 10. ATTORNEY FEE: In case suit or action is instituted in connection with this agreement, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover from the losing party such sums as the court may adjudge reasonable as attorney fees and costs in such suit or action, or upon appeal. DATED this day of , 20 . GRANTOR: GRANTEE: By: By: MAYOR CITY OF ANYTOWN STATE OF KENTUCKY On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Cliff w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com wrote: My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government they have that clause. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Good Call Scott. That's exactly what I was thinking. DHCP will set the IP address and default route. From Winbox IP- Routes Hit the + Button 0.0.0.0/0 for destination Enter the Default Gateway from your provider in the gateway field You will also need a masquerade rule. If ether1 is your public interface, a simple example is: From Terminal ip firewall nat add chain=srcnat action=masquerade out-interface=ether1 Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
Well if you added attenuation with the silo and polarity it would be similar to the window or wall adding attenuation. When a friend moved in and I needed to mooch Internet from the office (three 2.4 10mhz sectors) I just put some books on a jpole mount and the ns2 worked quite well. Wouldn't leave it for an install but it worked 99% of the time. On 3/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: They can, I even tested it but I've never had good luck with indoor installs. It seems they always have weird issues. Maybe new stuff is better? On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I had a customer like this - I just moved the CPE on the inside. Use that rubber stick to the glass mount. I know the Nanostations can, for your sake I hope the Locos can too, use a window mount (or wall mount) and put it inside the house. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:54 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Darn county road is between them and the silo :( On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, c...@midcoast.com wrote: Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. -Cameron I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Great tip! So, otherwise you would sign it? I'm runnig it past a lawyer friend but wanted to hammer out any details before he gets involved. Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. is your out. This looks pretty good. One of the things we have added to our contracts is legal fees arising from litigation are the responsibility of the litigant. This causes governments etc to think twice before filing a $20,000 legal battle over a $20 item. ryan On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Cliff w...@eccentrixtechnologies.comwrote: My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government they have that clause. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Well, the lawyer is not gonna like my advice.. How else does he get paid? :) I also like binding arbitration, of course, the one that files suit pays for the arbitration fees. Again, this forces people to 'figure it out' before they start rattling sabers! ryan On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:19 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Great tip! So, otherwise you would sign it? I'm runnig it past a lawyer friend but wanted to hammer out any details before he gets involved. Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. is your out. This looks pretty good. One of the things we have added to our contracts is legal fees arising from litigation are the responsibility of the litigant. This causes governments etc to think twice before filing a $20,000 legal battle over a $20 item. ryan On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Cliff w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com wrote: My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government they have that clause. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
See inline for some things to question RickG wrote: I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I shoudl? Here is the whole agreement: EASEMENT AGREEMENT 1. PARTIES: , hereinafter referred to as “Grantor”. CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as “Grantee”. 2. AFFECTED PROPERTY: Grantor is currently the owner of the following described real property located in the City of Anytown, Kentucky: Anytown Water Tower and its Premises LEGAL DESCRIPTION – TBD Hereinafter referred to as “the Property”. 3. GRANT OF EASEMENT: For a period of five (5) years from the date of implementation, the Grantor does hereby grant unto the Grantee, a Utility Easement for the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) for the limited purposes directly associated with providing high-speed, wireless internet service to the surrounding area. 4. TYPE OF EASEMENT: The easement described above shall provide the Grantee reasonable Define reasonable. To me it means 24x7x366. To the city it may mean 8-5 Monday - Friday. Spell it out. access to the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) in order to install and maintain antennae, associated transceiver devices, required electrical power, and required electrical grounding. This limits your gear. Get some weasel words in there, like and other associated devices. All aspects of this easement are secondary to the primary purposes of the Property as a public water supply. All fixtures, devices, and activities are subject to the approval of the Water Department of the City of Anytown When? How long to have to wait? Add something like within 3 business days of the request. Do not allow them to use weasel words like within a reasonable time. and any existing or future requirements of the Kentucky Department of Water and/or superseding authorities. The City of Anytown does not provide for continuous business operations; consequently, reasonable access to the Property is generally limited to normal business hours and subject to the availably of municipal personnel and resources. Why. This needs to grant you access when you need it and a key or combination to padlock, etc. How are you going to get cusotmers back online at 11:30 Saturday night? 5. CONSIDERATION: The City of Anytown recognizes the manifest public need for high-speed internet access and the current technological limitations that result in the requirements that only wireless technologies can address. Subsequently, the City of Anytown does not require any payments in consideration of this easement. However, the City of Anytown shall provide for the costs of electrical power to operate the Grantee's hardware once installed on the Property, not to exceed a load of twenty amperes (20 Amps) at one hundred twenty volts (120V). In consideration of these electrical costs, the Grantee shall provide its standard, non-profit service package and maintenance to the Office of the Anytown City Clerk at 123 Main Street, Anytown, KY. The City of Anytown may extend the network as needed for the purposes of government. Get rid of this one. If they add 100 devices and all stream video, who pays for the bandwidth? 6. MAINTENANCE: The Grantor shall maintain the Property in a manner consistent with its primary purpose as a public water supply. The Grantee shall inform the Grantor of any observed maintenance issues which might arise. 7. INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. 8. REMEDIES: In addition to all other remedies allowed by law, the parties, their successors and assigns, shall have the right to seek injunctive relief for the enforcement of the terms and conditions of this agreement. 9. BINDING EFFECT ON SUCCESSOR INTERESTS: The terms, conditions and provisions of this agreement shall extend to, be binding upon and inure to the benefit of the heirs, personal representatives and assigns of the parties. 10. ATTORNEY FEE: In case suit or action is instituted in connection with this agreement, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover from the losing party such sums as the court may adjudge reasonable as attorney fees and costs in such suit or action, or upon appeal. DATED this day of , 20 . GRANTOR: GRANTEE: By: By: MAYOR CITY OF ANYTOWN STATE OF KENTUCKY On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Cliff w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com wrote: My understanding is,
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
How about indemnifying each other? If they want the language then the reciprocal should be expected, right? Indemnification. Lessee shall indemnify and hold Lessor harmless from any and all liability, damage, expense (including attorneys' fees and costs), cause of action, suits, claims or judgments by any reason. Lessor shall indemnify and hold Lessee harmless from any and all liability, damage, expense (including attorneys' fees and costs), cause of action, suits, claims or judgments by any reason. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Thanks! The Eth1 is configured 201.222.12.54/30 and network of 201.222.12.52 and broadcast of 201.222.12.55. The RB750 couldn't ping out either. I did discover the problem was with routes, but it's more complicated Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of IP config do you have on ether1 and can the 750 ping out? On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
No, I couldn't ping even from the RB750. The problem was with routes. Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Paul Hendry wrote: Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check masq rule on outbound interface and that connection tracking is enabled. -Original Message- From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 March 2010 23:11 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with municipalities. If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will either entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they just stop talking to you. I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with this. Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable. If you are that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that one. Lease network services to you existing company and if something ever happens you have the buffer. Slimy but its done every day. -B- RickG wrote: One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Not true in NY NJ -B- Cliff wrote: My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government they have that clause. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Wow! Thanks! How about the queues? Is there a way to export the queues? How about the firewall filter rules, nat and mangle? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
queue export Ip firewall expo Or for just mangle... Ip firewall mangl expo On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! Thanks! How about the queues? Is there a way to export the queues? How about the firewall filter rules, nat and mangle? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Thanks so much! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: queue export Ip firewall expo Or for just mangle... Ip firewall mangl expo On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! Thanks! How about the queues? Is there a way to export the queues? How about the firewall filter rules, nat and mangle? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Great points! For the first time since receiving this document, I sat down at dinner tonight and went through it. I ended up with the same questions and concerns. Thanks! On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: See inline for some things to question RickG wrote: I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I shoudl? Here is the whole agreement: EASEMENT AGREEMENT 1. PARTIES: , hereinafter referred to as “Grantor”. CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as “Grantee”. 2. AFFECTED PROPERTY: Grantor is currently the owner of the following described real property located in the City of Anytown, Kentucky: Anytown Water Tower and its Premises LEGAL DESCRIPTION – TBD Hereinafter referred to as “the Property”. 3. GRANT OF EASEMENT: For a period of five (5) years from the date of implementation, the Grantor does hereby grant unto the Grantee, a Utility Easement for the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) for the limited purposes directly associated with providing high-speed, wireless internet service to the surrounding area. 4. TYPE OF EASEMENT: The easement described above shall provide the Grantee reasonable Define reasonable. To me it means 24x7x366. To the city it may mean 8-5 Monday - Friday. Spell it out. access to the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) in order to install and maintain antennae, associated transceiver devices, required electrical power, and required electrical grounding. This limits your gear. Get some weasel words in there, like and other associated devices. All aspects of this easement are secondary to the primary purposes of the Property as a public water supply. All fixtures, devices, and activities are subject to the approval of the Water Department of the City of Anytown When? How long to have to wait? Add something like within 3 business days of the request. Do not allow them to use weasel words like within a reasonable time. and any existing or future requirements of the Kentucky Department of Water and/or superseding authorities. The City of Anytown does not provide for continuous business operations; consequently, reasonable access to the Property is generally limited to normal business hours and subject to the availably of municipal personnel and resources. Why. This needs to grant you access when you need it and a key or combination to padlock, etc. How are you going to get cusotmers back online at 11:30 Saturday night? 5. CONSIDERATION: The City of Anytown recognizes the manifest public need for high-speed internet access and the current technological limitations that result in the requirements that only wireless technologies can address. Subsequently, the City of Anytown does not require any payments in consideration of this easement. However, the City of Anytown shall provide for the costs of electrical power to operate the Grantee's hardware once installed on the Property, not to exceed a load of twenty amperes (20 Amps) at one hundred twenty volts (120V). In consideration of these electrical costs, the Grantee shall provide its standard, non-profit service package and maintenance to the Office of the Anytown City Clerk at 123 Main Street, Anytown, KY. The City of Anytown may extend the network as needed for the purposes of government. Get rid of this one. If they add 100 devices and all stream video, who pays for the bandwidth? 6. MAINTENANCE: The Grantor shall maintain the Property in a manner consistent with its primary purpose as a public water supply. The Grantee shall inform the Grantor of any observed maintenance issues which might arise. 7. INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. 8. REMEDIES: In addition to all other remedies allowed by law, the parties, their successors and assigns, shall have the right to seek injunctive relief for the enforcement of the terms and conditions of this agreement. 9. BINDING EFFECT ON SUCCESSOR INTERESTS: The terms, conditions and provisions of this agreement shall extend to, be binding upon and inure to the benefit of the heirs, personal representatives and assigns of the parties. 10. ATTORNEY FEE: In case suit or action is instituted in connection with this agreement, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover from the losing party such sums as the court may adjudge reasonable as attorney fees and costs
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
The more I do these, the more I like using a separate corporation for the purpose. Thanks! On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with municipalities. If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will either entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they just stop talking to you. I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with this. Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable. If you are that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that one. Lease network services to you existing company and if something ever happens you have the buffer. Slimy but its done every day. -B- RickG wrote: One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) that won't work in the RB750? Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Many cell guys do this when building sites. Each site is its own corporation Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 21:38:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts The more I do these, the more I like using a separate corporation for the purpose. Thanks! On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with municipalities. If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will either entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they just stop talking to you. I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with this. Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable. If you are that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that one. Lease network services to you existing company and if something ever happens you have the buffer. Slimy but its done every day. -B- RickG wrote: One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
You can do /export for everything. Obviously you can pick and choose what to save. On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) that won't work in the RB750? Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in WordPad, save the file and then import it. Greg Ihnen wrote: Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) that won't work in the RB750? Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
