Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry A. Weidig Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a library available. Have contacted them for additional information. _ Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net ) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free _ From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product should check out ipoque and their PACE engine Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a couple of what seem to be similar products available: Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so they live up to their name :) ) Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of their boxes, would not EVER use again not because of the software / hardware but the owner / lead developer which may have changed as it was a long time ago we used this Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, just having a difficult time justifying the expense as well. I say we all throw in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that we have control over :) I have to believe some decent server quality hardware running on an open source operating system with custom code could fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this myself. _ Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net ) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free _ From: Dave Barker mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com d...@broadlincwireless.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Back to the original question, is there anything else out there that does what Procera can do? On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote: I can not speak for sales since we bought our Procera through Powercode - but tech support has be very responsive using their web based support system. -- Arthur Stephens Senior Networking Technician Ptera Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-927-7837 ptera.com http://ptera.com facebook.com/PteraInc http://facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera http://twitter.com/Ptera - This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, heith wi...@mncomm.com mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote: So the last booth I visited at Wispa in Vegas was the Procera booth. I am hooked and want to learn more, but at $17k a pop it’s a little hard to swallow, as I would need to purchase 4 of them for my current locations that I serve. Are there any other solution I can look for to do similar functions that may be more cost effective? I am also a little leery at the fact that I have left them 2 voice mail messages as well as sent an email from earlier this week with no return call. So that’s a concern if it takes a while to get sales support if tech support would be any different. So I was wanting some feed back from some actual users of their product or other similar products. Thanks Heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Download of Copyrighted Material - What do you do?
I understand that in order for an ISP to limit its liability regarding the copyright infringements of its customers, it must comply with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, in particular its “notice and take down” and “counter notice and put back” procedures. I believe these procedures are compliant: === a. Analyze the notification to make sure it contains content that complies with these provisions: (i) A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed. (ii) Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site. (iii) Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material. (iv) Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number, and, if available, an electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted. (v) A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. (vi) A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed. b. If the notification substantially complies with clauses (ii), (iii), and (iv) but not other clauses, reply to the notification requesting clarification. c. Once the notification substantially complies with all clauses, disable access to the infringing content (for example, by shutting down bittorrent on the customer’s connection) and contact the customer to inform them of the notification and that access to the content has been disabled. d. Inform the notifier that appropriate action has been taken and request to be informed if the infringement recurs. e. If the customer confirms that they have removed the infringing material from their system, and if requested, reenable bittorrent on their connection. === Thanks, Adam From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 8:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Download of Copyrighted Material - What do you do? That it is. Thankfully Netherlands bandwidth is cheap. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 15, 2014 1:55 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: VPNs are pretty effective at it. just sayin'. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 08/14/2014 08:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you seriously education your customers to pirate? By the way, that doesn't really do anything in terms of hiding your identity. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: I just forward it on with a note that if they don’t know this is going on they should investigate it. If they do I would recommend they use an encrypted P2P client or turn on encryption. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, August 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Download of Copyrighted Material - What do you do? We forward the notice to offending customer and let them know that uploading and downloading of copyright content is not allowed. Recently we've been getting more notices and several from the same people. So I've started suspending the account until they call and acknowledge the notice we've sent them. I'm really not trying to be the bittorrent police. However, when someone downloads 56Gb in three days of torrents and doesn't respond to the emails. We feel that is a gross waste of network resources and want them to understand what they are doing. Adair On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Russ Van Vlack
Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site
Fred, I think one aspect of the new 15.407 (U-NII) rules that UBNT may not yet meet is the 40MHz filter requirement on both ends of the 5725MHz-5850MHz spectrum, which as I understand it, will effectively limit the usable range to 5765MHz - 5810MHz. Or maybe they already have the filter? In any case, the range reduction will still mean replacing some existing deployments with different frequency gear, if I'm interpreting the new rules correctly. :( Thanks, Adam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:03 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site On 7/3/2014 9:33 AM, Ben Moore wrote: $135 MSRP for rocket-lite. That's excellent. One of the contractors working with us recently replaced a pair of old Motorola PTPs with NanoStation Ms. It's just a camera, so it doesn't need much speed, so when I found its wireless side converging at 270 Mbps (the bottleneck is the Ethernet), I turned it down to a 20 MHz channel so it's merely 130 Mbps. And I moved it down to DFSland, where the AP side properly moved the slider all the way to the right at +14 (since the antenna gain is 16 dB). But lessee... the old Motorola charged extra for allowing speeds above 25 Mbps, extra for encryption, and cost about 50 times as much as the UBNT to begin with. Oh, but the PTP had a metal body, unlike the nano. But the new Rockets are metal too. So really, it's embarrassing -- if you're the one still trying to sell at the old Moto price points! Not to rain on the sunshine here -- but I did see one issue when I actually read the FCC test report. It was only being tested for the 15.247 band (5725-5850), not U-NII. At least the old PTPs had DFS (with separate SKUs needed to use the DFS and non-DFS channels!), and the plain NanoStation does. So will the Rocket-lite have U-NII support? That could include either or both of the DFS bands and the new UNII-1 band at 5150. I also notice that WISPA is petitioning to have the 15.407 (U-NII) rules changed to be easier to meet. But the NanoStation, Rocket M, and NanoBridge already do, at low cost, so does UBNT know more than its competitors do, or are the new rules harder? -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced email
Yep so do we. We run Zimbra servers in our datacenters. For more info, you can contact Ed Parker epar...@webjogger.net mailto:epar...@webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x124 Thanks, Adam From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:59 AM To: gmsm...@gmail.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced email Send phone number to n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net From: LTI - Dennis Burgess mailto:gmsm...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 6:52 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced email We do host outsourced e-mail as well. shoot us a call if you are interested. webmail etc. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:37 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: I know this was just a topic on this list, but I lost all of the contact information regarding Google or other companies. Please help if you have a contact. NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Learn RouterOS- Second Edition Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net/ http://www.linktechs.net - Skype: linktechs -- Create Wireless Coverage's with http://www.towercoverage.com/ www.towercoverage.com - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless image001.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
Hi Edward, I think this is what you may be looking for: On the AU: 5 - Advanced Configuration 4 - Bridge Parameters 4 - Broadcast/Multicast Relaying AND 5 - Unicast Relaying Adam From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Edward Spoon Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU Yes, I am trying to get Mikrotiks behind 2 different SU's associated to the same AP to talk to each other. Unicast didn't do it and I can't find any MAC forwarding settings. Will see if renumbering is an option and try that next. Thanks On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while both were connected to the same AU. Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 tel:727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 tel:727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the
[WISPA] 5.8GHz all frequencies bad?
Hi, We have a small Alvarion VL 5.8GHz cell with two links of less than a mile. Generally they are beautiful. However, since Dec 23, we are getting lots of packet loss and high latency on almost all frequencies. Every day we have to go through all the available frequencies in order to find one which is tolerable. Usually there is only one frequency from 5740-5830MHz which is usable, and every day it changes, sometimes multiple times during the day. We have rebooted the AU to no avail and upgraded all devices to recent firmware (6.5.7), all to no avail. What do you think is happening? Perhaps someone turned up a device in the area which is jamming most of 5.8GHz? But then why would the frequencies shift every so often? I wonder if there is a particular wireless manufacturer whose gear behaves like that. Perhaps there is water in the connector of the AU? But then why do the frequencies seem to shift around like this? Any ideas welcome. The site is about 2 hours away so we're trying to avoid a truck roll, otherwise would just swap gear / check weatherizing, etc. Maybe there's no avoiding it though. Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
TV Whitespace . have not deployed, but a company we partner with has had good results. Still a wild west beta technology and on the pricey side, but AFAIK it's the only thing that will penetrate in a heavily wooded environment. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas tornadoes. damned if you do, damned if you don't :) - Original Message - From: Mike Lyon mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Stihl :) On Aug 21, 2013, at 21:04, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: What are you guys deploying lately in heavily wooded areas? We've used both Cambium pmp320 Wimax and UBNT M900, with mixed results on both. We just put up a 130ft tower in a heavily wooded river valley area, leaning towards the UBNT solution but hate putting money into something I'm not really satisfied with. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] HIPAA
Hi guys, I understand the Dept of Health and Human Services has published final HIPAA guidelines which go into effect as of 9/23/13, and that the scope of liability of service providers, as well as fines, have increased substantially. For example, this article caught my attention: http://www.wileyrein.com/publications.cfm?sp=articlesid=8628 Many of us besides providing fixed wireless connectivity services to our customers, also provide hosting, email and other IT services, so I figure this is probably a concern for many of us. I am wondering if there is a lawyer or law firm serving the WISPA community that might be available to provide some guidance as to the true extent of liability a service provider has when contracted as a Business Associate by a healthcare industry customer, in a variety of situations. We have some specific questions, so if preferred, you can share your contact information with me off list and I can engage you directly. My direct email is agre...@webjogger.net. Thanks! Adam -- Adam Greene Webjogger www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net/ agre...@webjogger.net mailto:agre...@webjogger.net 845-757-4000 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] HIPAA
Thanks Rick! Will re-post to that list. I appreciate it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] HIPAA Adam, The attorney's serving the WISPA community would be hanging out on the Member's list, not this one. http://www.wispa.org/where-there-is-a-wisp-there-is-a-way Where there is a Wisp, there is a way! http://www.cvent.com/d/xcqthv Join Us at WISPAPALOOZA 2013 - Las Vegas, Oct 12-18 Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org mailto:rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org mailto:adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] HIPAA Hi guys, I understand the Dept of Health and Human Services has published final HIPAA guidelines which go into effect as of 9/23/13, and that the scope of liability of service providers, as well as fines, have increased substantially. For example, this article caught my attention: http://www.wileyrein.com/publications.cfm?sp=articles http://www.wileyrein.com/publications.cfm?sp=articlesid=8628 id=8628 Many of us besides providing fixed wireless connectivity services to our customers, also provide hosting, email and other IT services, so I figure this is probably a concern for many of us. I am wondering if there is a lawyer or law firm serving the WISPA community that might be available to provide some guidance as to the true extent of liability a service provider has when contracted as a Business Associate by a healthcare industry customer, in a variety of situations. We have some specific questions, so if preferred, you can share your contact information with me off list and I can engage you directly. My direct email is agre...@webjogger.net mailto:agre...@webjogger.net . Thanks! Adam -- Adam Greene Webjogger www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net/ agre...@webjogger.net mailto:agre...@webjogger.net 845-757-4000 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] maintenance agreements?
Josh, Thanks a bunch! These all seem to be oriented toward a scenario where the WISP owns the link and is responsible for meeting uptime and latency metrics. In our case, the links are being sold to the customer for intra-campus connectivity, and they will just contract us to perform annual link maintenance and software upgrades, respond in emergencies, etc. So what we’ll be providing in this case will be more of a professional service than a service provider service. That’s the kind of contract we need to draft. Thanks again for replying. Have a good weekend! Adam From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:10 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] maintenance agreements? Examples Info: http://www.verizonenterprise.com/external/service_guide/reg/cp_managed_wireless_lan_sla.pdf http://www.utexas.edu/its/sla/sla.php?id=1117 http://www.techrepublic.com/article/what-to-include-in-your-service-level-agreement-with-your-wireless-isp/1037286 http://www.phoenixinternet.com/PDF/BusinessWirelessAgreementSLA.pdf http://www.ynetwireless.com/wireless-sla.php Hope these help. -- Josh Reynolds WISP Engineering Liaison Performant Networks phone (305) 968-6351 email j...@performantnetworks.com mailto:j...@performantnetworks.com http://www.performantnetworks.com/images/Performant-Networks.png ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] maintenance agreements?
Mike, I received no replies other than yours. Guess we’ll have to use our own brains. Scary prospect. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] maintenance agreements? I'd be interested in seeing whatever you come up with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net mailto:maill...@webjogger.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:48:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] maintenance agreements? Hey guys, We’re quoting a customer on some point to point gigabit links (60GHz), and the equipment vendor mentioned, “Don’t forget to quote for a maintenance agreement. This is where our partners really make their money.” He called it a Service Level Agreement. He said it typically includes an annual maintenance program where you check all the connectors, reapply Teflon spray on the radome, etc., and offer an hourly rate if they need link troubleshooting, support, or hardware replacement (assuming the link is under manufacturer’s warranty). Are other people on the list quoting customers for these? If so, what kinds of service and/or caveats do you generally include (if you don’t mind sharing)? A template shared off-list would certainly be welcome, but I understand that may be asking a bit much. Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] maintenance agreements?
Hey guys, We're quoting a customer on some point to point gigabit links (60GHz), and the equipment vendor mentioned, Don't forget to quote for a maintenance agreement. This is where our partners really make their money. He called it a Service Level Agreement. He said it typically includes an annual maintenance program where you check all the connectors, reapply Teflon spray on the radome, etc., and offer an hourly rate if they need link troubleshooting, support, or hardware replacement (assuming the link is under manufacturer's warranty). Are other people on the list quoting customers for these? If so, what kinds of service and/or caveats do you generally include (if you don't mind sharing)? A template shared off-list would certainly be welcome, but I understand that may be asking a bit much. Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Law Enforcement Contact Verification?
Anyone else receive a Law Enforcement Contact Verification email from Mosaik Solutions (formerly American Roamer) requesting our company's organizational contacts responsible for interacting with Homeland Security and other law enforcement agencies, as is required of us by the US Department of Homeland Security? Seems strange to me that a private company would contact me out of the blue, implying that they are an official intermediary of the US Government. I'm not liking it . almost sounds like a phishing scheme. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Complete list of WISP used billing products
Thinking of moving to Autotask with QB integration . From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Complete list of WISP used billing products These are the good ones, there are a few others such as WHMCS and GLDS, but they are really more telco or cable provider centric. When it comes to the wireless business the ones listed below are really the ones to consider. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Complete list of WISP used billing products Layne, Any products on your list that didn't make it to this thread? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Layne Sisk la...@serverplus.com mailto:la...@serverplus.com wrote: I have offered this before, but for anyone looking at billing systems please feel free to contact me offlist. Our company does support for ISPs that use each of these different billing systems so I would be happy to give you an objective opinion on them as well as a rundown of features. I am only willing to do it offlist however :). -Layne Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Complete list of WISP used billing products Is your objective a list? or a comparison? I'd like to see a feature comparison... things like: Do you rent it or own it? (personally, I hate the idea of 'software as service') Is it local or in the cloud? (I trust the cloud as far as I can throw it.) Support type? Support cost? Ongoing or incident? Integrate with MT? Integrate with UBNT? Payment systems? IPPay, Authorize.net, other Support for a Hotspot system? MT or UBNT? We currently use QB. and renewal is coming up in 2-3 months... We are open to different answers, but those questions come to mind right away. Vendors, if you will be at KY, consider it a chance to persuade me. Blair -- On 3/20/2013 3:02 PM, Edward H. Winters wrote: freeside On 03/20/2013 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm looking to put a complete list together. Does anyone have any additional ideas? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 tel:269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...
Interesting. I always thought that this was the way to guarantee that the ISP would not be liable. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:47 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices... On 03/16/2013 09:31 AM, Adam Greene wrote: The DCMA guidelines are pretty clear on the notice and take down requirements you have to fulfill to remain compliant yourself as the ISP. It's not a big deal in our experience. Been awhile since we've gotten any, but I don't believe any ISP has a legal obligation or legally required to meet some compliance. Basically the same reason the phone company can't be sued when phone lines are used for illegal activity. In any case we forward them on with a link to our AUP and call it a day. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...
We block the offending traffic from the customer (it's almost always bittorrent or another peer to peer protocol), send the notice to the customer, and ask them to comply with the notice. We unblock the protocol if they inform us they have taken down the offending content. We reserve the right to cancel the customer's service if they repeatedly infringe. The DCMA guidelines are pretty clear on the notice and take down requirements you have to fulfill to remain compliant yourself as the ISP. It's not a big deal in our experience. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices... Did you bill the lawyer sending it to you? You can be the lawyer is billing his client. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10127841-93.html ryan On 3/15/2013 2:50 PM, Dan Petermann wrote: We pass them on. On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: Got my first DMCA infringement notice today (yay! Not...) Curious to hear what other action WISPs have taken with their customers when these notices come down. Do you simply pass the notice to the customer and have them correspond with the accuser or does the WISP act as an intermediary between rhe accuser and the WISP customer? Thanks in advance! -mike Sent from my iPhone ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?
One of our customers near NYC had their Level3 BGP session flap a couple times between 3:30am - 3:50am this morning. We also noticed some issues around 1:15am - 1:30am on a circuit we have to a provider that peers with Level3. We're in upstate NY but I believe the peering occurs in NYC. On 2/5/2013 8:49 AM, Eric Tykwinski wrote: Matt, We didn't see anything here on the Sonet ring around the Philadelphia area. I have noticed that the past couple of weeks they have been doing BGP changes, seems like they are slowly integrating with GLBX's ASN3549. We lost IPv6 connectivity for short periods of time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:05 AM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion? Did anyone else see an explosion on the Level3 network this morning? They've been up and down all morning since around 2:30 eastern time... just recovered recently. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
I have the same question as to whether non-proprietary devices like cellphones and laptops will be able to connect to the AP. For example, in a municipal deployment where the town wants to give all residents low-cost or free Internet access. On 1/27/2013 7:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm assuming that since stadiums are a market, these are traditional WiFi, since you can't very well plug a USB dongle into a smartphone. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:21:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. The specs on the dual band sector are: 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm 5 GHz: 49 dBm Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help the range too. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? Patrick, Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with each band 3x3. WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. Yes John, we have client devices, among them: Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box. There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. I have to check as there may be others. Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate. They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have several other patented interference mitigation techniques. Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM To: j...@mvn.net ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use something called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 5.8) and supposedly
Re: [WISPA] Medical companies
If they establish a VPN to the hospital, the medium shouldn't matter, as traffic will be encrypted. On 1/10/2013 4:32 PM, Scott Reed wrote: We have a local hospital that won't allow using wireless because they had a bad experience with a different supplier. Since a lot of their people don't tell them who the provider is, we have several customers using our service. I agree with one of the other posts. Tell the customer to tell them they have an Ethernet connection. It is true and eliminates the issue of medium. If they require DSL, I guess it is a good thing you are not a fiber provider. That wouldn't be DSL either. On 1/10/2013 1:36 PM, Mike Asher wrote: Hello All, I have someone who wants to work from home, they work for a hospital and the hospital says they have to use dsl and wireless is not allowed. Is this a law, maybe hipaa? Thank you for any info. -- *Mike Asher* Atm-Internet 765-792-6165 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6014 - Release Date: 01/06/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon E7000
Anyone using these? They operate in the 71-76 GHz licensed frequency band and can do 900M/100M, 750M/250M, or 500M/500M. Price point is nice -- more $ than a typical 100M link, but less $ than a gigabit link. Adam Webjogger (845) 757-4000 www.webjogger.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
Thanks all. Glad feedback is almost all positive. Not glad about that New Orleans experience. On 9/25/2012 2:30 PM, Gerard Dupont III wrote: Jim, IPv6 is an interesting topic with Cogent. We're receiving 11k routes from HE, Level3, and TWTC, but only ~8800 from Cogent. Cogent is not providing full routes on IPv6 because they do not peer with HE. Llast time I asked they have no plans of doing anything about it. I really wouldn't recommend anyone use Cogent as their sole provider. Cogent only has a single route to/from many of their pops. For example almost a month ago there was almost a week long outage in the New Orleans market when their transit provider had a cut. Looking at their network map shows multiple routes out of New Orleans though. Overall I've been very pleased with the performance of their network. Their support has been very knowledgeable and maintenance requests (ie prefix updates) have been handled in less than an hour. Gerard On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: We are BGP peered with Cogent and HE on IPv6. I just noticed almost 19K IPv6 routes now. That table is growing pretty fast. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? Great network. Great support. Much better than they were 5 years ago. As with any other provider they do have issues from time to time. It goes without saying get 2 upstreams and do BGP. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter http://www.thebrotherswisp.com -Original Message- From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Cogent?
Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] 23GHz license fees
Hi all, I am under the impression that the FCC charges $1040 for a 10-yr 23GHz license. Can anyone confirm? Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquiti PowerBridge M10
This operates on 10.322 GHz - 10.574 GHz. Is this unlicensed? If not, is it possible to buy a license from the FCC? Looks like a good product. I did call the FCC and was told that this would probably fall under part section 101 of the rules, subpart G, and if it operates on 5MHz channels, it might be possible to obtain an area license for the frequency. They directed me to call the Wireless Bureau to find out for sure. I guess that will be the next step. Just wondering if anyone else already knows any of this stuff. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PowerBridge M10
Between Gino and Fred, all my questions are answered, even more thoroughly than the help I got from the FCC. Thanks for your help, guys! On 12/21/2011 2:49 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Cant be used in the US/FCC, it falls under Part 101, dosnt meet the requirements, one of them being Full duplex 2 channels one for tx other for rx Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti PowerBridge M10 This operates on 10.322 GHz - 10.574 GHz. Is this unlicensed? If not, is it possible to buy a license from the FCC? Looks like a good product. I did call the FCC and was told that this would probably fall under part section 101 of the rules, subpart G, and if it operates on 5MHz channels, it might be possible to obtain an area license for the frequency. They directed me to call the Wireless Bureau to find out for sure. I guess that will be the next step. Just wondering if anyone else already knows any of this stuff. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
Guys, I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ... Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at the moment ... Thanks, Adam On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing. On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz? On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate. Cameron On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: What about below$6k? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not that much if I have to finance the link. Cameron On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Yes short hops... whats your price range for pricey Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey. On Fri, Jul
Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
Yeah, we demoed a Radwin unit few years ago and got good results. But we need something outside the 2GHz - 5GHz spectrum. We have a 5.4GHz - 5.8GHz Mikrotik link there right now that is being beaten to death by interference. On 8/2/2011 11:43 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Radwin 2000c could easily do that for $3K Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN/RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Adam Greene *Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:36 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Guys, I appreciate all the feedback. We're looking into Exalt 24GHz for a 3-mile link. Not sure if it will reach that far ... Anyone have direct experience with Exalt? We're using Dragonwave and love it, but wanted to stay in the $5k - $7k range on this one ... only need 50M FD at the moment ... Thanks, Adam On 7/29/2011 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing. On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz? On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate. Cameron On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: What about below$6k? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ? $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not that much if I have to finance the link. Cameron On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Yes short hops... whats your price range for pricey Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless
Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works, that's pretty good, in my book On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote: This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed, just tell me to check the archives ... Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference issues on our Alvarion Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each time. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
This question has probably been asked on this list before ... if needed, just tell me to check the archives ... Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent interference issues on our Alvarion Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz point to point links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex or above (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the 24GHz frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive enough and easy to obtain. Kind of shying away from 3.65GHz because of the cumbersome process of having to obtain waivers from 3 earth stations each time. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TV interfering with 5.8GHz?
Hi, Just installed a 5.8GHz Alvarion VL on a roof with lots of TV antennas. Interference was horrible. We were not expecting that, as the main TV antenna culprit says 490 on the side -- I assume 490MHz. My obscure reasoning tells me that if there were a really strong signal on 483.33MHz, it might create a harmonic on 5.8GHz, which is 12 x 483.33. Has anyone seen interference of this type before? Do you think changing to horizontal polarization would help? Anything else we could do to mitigate the interference (besides putting up a lead barrier) :) Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TV interfering with 5.8GHz?
Guys, thanks for the brainstorm ideas. Interference is to us. And yes, it makes sense that since this is not a TV station building, these antennas are probably receive only. There is a huge omni antenna with 490 printed on the side, which is where we took the idea of 490MHz from, but it's only a guess. We're using Teldor shielded black uv-protected cat5e with ground wire. No Mikrotiks around (tho if the 5.8 don't work, we may be puttin in some 5.3 gear!!) On 10/29/2009 6:21 PM, jp wrote: Is the interference to you or to the TV signal? What is grounded and where? Perhaps you are causing a ground loop by doing grounding differently than they did or something? If to the TV signal ? Are you using shielded cat5e cabling and grounding an end of the shield drain wire? Any other stuff installed with it, like mikrotiks or switches or anything? If to you, TV antennas on roofs don't transmit (currently). Any cell phone tower backhauls nearby or 5.8 phones? Perhaps the tv antennas are just a scapegoat. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:14:52PM -0400, Adam Greene wrote: Hi, Just installed a 5.8GHz Alvarion VL on a roof with lots of TV antennas. Interference was horrible. We were not expecting that, as the main TV antenna culprit says 490 on the side -- I assume 490MHz. My obscure reasoning tells me that if there were a really strong signal on 483.33MHz, it might create a harmonic on 5.8GHz, which is 12 x 483.33. Has anyone seen interference of this type before? Do you think changing to horizontal polarization would help? Anything else we could do to mitigate the interference (besides putting up a lead barrier) :) Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss
We're seeing almost exactly the same thing on one of our 5.8GHz VL links (could be PTMP but at the moment is just PTP) a little north of NYC. We know we have a multipath issue at the site to begin with, and the fresnel zone is just grazing some trees. I suspect that the humidity / temp combination is causing some distortion of the fresnel zone with respect to the trees. In our case, the environmental changes may be impacting the multipath as well. Tricky to troubleshoot. Here's a note from a list member from a year or so ago that may be relevant: /What is actually happening is the K value of the path is changing when you get hot air under cool dense air. The normal value of refraction (ie K) is 4/3 and approaches 2 on coastal areas. Well when you have a link where K goes down to 2/3 or less it causes the earth profile to bulge out and obstruct the path. This with decoupling (only an issue with high gain antennas) where the angle of the incoming wave is greater then the beam width of the antenna feed will cause outage. At this distance you should be running at a 33 or so SNR with no interference. Now when the signal fades you loose your signal and have to compete even more with the interfering signal. might want to try another polarization and HP antennas./ Thanks, Adam On 8/8/2009 7:59 AM, Joe Miller wrote: Ed, Are these PTP or PTMP links? I have a couple of my PTP links do this also. Mainly around the Mobile county AL area. It appears that the noise floor increases at night. The two common things between our areas is that it is a coastal area and close to the oil and gas fields. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 - Original Message From: Ed Spoon - Computer Sales Services, Inc. ed.sp...@cssla.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:33:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss So, what causes this crazy loss on all of my 'longer' 5.8 links after dark/overnight? Temp drop? Contraction? Condensation? Moonbeams? More importantly, is there anything I can do about it? Anyone else dealing with it? Links are N-S, E-W and NE-SW, different brands radios, but all in the ISM 5.8 spectrum. Can start as early as 8pm but usually after midnight. Goes until the suns been up 1 to 3 hours. Doesn't happen every day, but seems to be predominant in the summer when we get over 90 degrees with 90% humidity and then the afternoon/evening rain from the buildup. I see it happening to short links also, just doesn't get bad enough to drop. Ideas?[image: 2009-08-07_221007.jpg] Ed Spoon triparish.net / cajun.net Computer Sales Services, Inc. Ph: 985-879-3219 / Fax: 985-876-6789 PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This electronic transmission and any documents attached hereto may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. The information is intended only for use by the recipient named above. If you have received this electronic message in error please notify the sender and delete the electronic message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of information received in error or otherwise is strictly prohibited. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Support
We had some issues initially setting up our unlicensed 24GHz Dragonwave link because of some environmental issues, and the support was, in general, terrific. After-hours (even weekend) cell-phone support from a very knowledgable technician. Not all technicians were on the same level, but in the end we got the help we needed. After that, haven't had to call them at all. Been about 6 mo. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave Support Just curious what everyone's experience with Dragonwave support has been. Do they answer e-mail/phone calls promptly? Is their support 24/7? Is the product so good you just don't know because you've never contacted them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's
Yep, we may have about 10 as well. Cameron, if you still have need, contact me offlist: agre...@webjogger.net - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; c...@midcoast.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's Don't know about 10 but I do have some that I would like to get ride of. Might have 10. Some should be new (taken out of box) and some been used but pulled working out of service. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Cameron Kilton Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: wireless@wispa.org ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's Sent: Jul 6, 2009 08:34 If anybody has 10 or so of these available or sitting around for sale, shoot me an e-mail for what you want for them. Thank You, Cameron Kilton WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] basic mikrotik question
Hey Butch, Just got back to review this list ... thanks for the very useful post about letting the Mikrotiks participate in the trunking. Much appreciated! Adam - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] basic mikrotik question On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 09:01 -0400, Adam Greene wrote: A while back we experimented with trunking VLANs over a Mikrotik backhaul, and *at the same time* putting the Mikrotiks themselves into a tagged 802.1q management VLAN. We had major problems with that. I just did this the other day. There are several possible scenarios that you can do: 1. Straight passing of vlan tags (just simple layer2 bridge) where the MT is not participating in any of the vlans. This is very easy, as you said. 2. Passthrough of tagged traffic and the MT participates in one or more vlans (management vlan for example). This, too, is fairly easy. * Build the bridge to include the ports that will passthrough traffic. * Build a bridge to host the management vlan. * Create a vlan on the passthrough bridge and add this vlan interface to the vlan host bridge. DO NOT add the management vlan as a port on the passthrough bridge * managment IP address would be assigned to the vlan host bridge 3. VLAN termination with trunked port. Simply add vlan interfaces on the physical interface. IP addresses for each vlan would be assigned to the vlan interfaces themselves. The physical interface would then be equivalent to a Cisco trunk port. Each vlan is a routing interface in this scenario. 4. VLAN participation where multiple ports participate in the vlan. This is a bit more complex type of configuration and describing steps to create this would be too difficult to do here in a generic fasion. You can, of course, have combinations of all the above. The trick with Mikrotik is a matter of creative use of bridges and vlans and understanding traffic flow at layer 2. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF and BGP for Internal Network
The advice I have generally received is to use OSPF only for distributing infrastructure routes within one's network, and iBGP for all production routes (i.e. netblocks associated with customers and services). Thanks, Adam Webjogger Internet Services ASN 20208 - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OSPF and BGP for Internal Network More importantly OSPF or most IGPs for that matter can only get so large before their performance becomes an issue. BGP doesn't have these scalability issues. Therefore, large networks run OSPF or ISIS for select parts of their network and then aggregate the parts behind BGP. -Matt On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:07 AM, Charles Wu wrote: Dynamic route redistribution if your network is sufficiently complex and you have customers that you are servicing bgp to that you want to protect from intra-network failure -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OSPF and BGP for Internal Network What are the bennefits of running both protocols in the internal network? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] basic mikrotik question
A while back we experimented with trunking VLANs over a Mikrotik backhaul, and *at the same time* putting the Mikrotiks themselves into a tagged 802.1q management VLAN. We had major problems with that. But yeah, just bridging 802.1q VLANs over the Mikrotiks while keeping the radios themselves in an untagged management subnet, I expected that that should work. Thanks, all, for the feedback! Adam - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] basic mikrotik question On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 01:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Ya, not a Vlan person myself. I prefer routers. VLAN does not necessarily preclude routing. VLANs are a layer 2 method of segmenting the network. You can route on top of a VLAN layer. I am not a fan of VLANs because a large part of the time I see them used, they add complexity to the network when it is not necessary to do so. Used correctly, VLANs are a really easy way to provide segmentation and broadcast controls. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LanRoamer TP500
Hi Guys, Asked about this because some people had been mentioning having good experience with Test-Um cat5 testers. LanRoamer bought Test-Um. If no takers, I'll go ask LanRoamer. Have a great morning! (for those on my side of the international date line) Adam - Original Message - From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] LanRoamer TP500 Anyone know if this tests crossover as well as straightthrough cat5/6? Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] basic mikrotik question
Hi ... I'm planning to deploy a Mikrotik backhaul, with the Mikrotiks themselves in an untagged management subnet. The traffic passing over the backhaul would be 802.1q tagged (i.e. customer traffic, each customer in their own VLAN). I assume this should work without a hitch, right? Maybe a dumb question but better safe than sorry ... Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures
Another option is to send the contract to customer via email and have them (a) fax back the signature page as proof of order, and (b) mail in two partially executed originals. You sign both, keep one original and send the 2nd original back in the mail. Or use the installer as the courier in one of the directions as Jason suggests. - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley jhens...@mozarks.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures Wow. Seems like a waste of time and resources. If I mailed contracts like that here I'd lose half my install opportunities because they would never send the contract back. Send a contract with the installer, get them to sign it before they install, give one copy to customer, bring one back, done deal. If nothing else, get an electronic as an initial confirmation, then get an actual signature at install. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures We currently use a two-year contract for customers. Right now we gather the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer and wait for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we schedule an installation. We would like to reduce the time from initial contact to installation. One option we are looking at is electronic signature on the contract. We have done some research into doing this, but thought it would be good to get some other input. If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it? If you use a third party to certify the signatures, who do you use? What is good about them? What is not so good? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] LanRoamer TP500
Anyone know if this tests crossover as well as straightthrough cat5/6? Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] new WISPA website
Hi guys! Nice new website! Congratulations! Just curious ... what is the backend? Wordpress? ... or another content management system? We're looking to upgrade our own website and are evaluating a number of options Thanks! Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Signal Strengths
You could be dealing with reflection, where the signal bounces off a nearby object(s) and cancels itself out at certain locations -- any big walls in the vicinity? - Original Message - From: Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Signal Strengths Everyone, I had trouble during an install today regarding signal strengths. 2.4Ghz CPE in a location that should be no problem. Moving the CPE two feet in any direction from the point where the CPE was installed increased the signal by around 20db (-90 to -70!) Any idea of what phenomenon I am dealing with? Anything I should consider as I correct this install? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the range ... 5.x GHz - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same enclosure (http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-58-R2) 2 x RB433AH 4 x SR5 cards 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn
Just curiously, have those of you using these sites found that they've helped grow your business? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn I'm on many sites... FaceBook, MySpace, LinkedIN, Plaxo, Twitter, maybe some others I have forgotten about. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] LinkedIn Is anyone around here on LinkedIn? I just got signed up a few days ago, and it may have benefits for your businesses. It works a little bit like Facebook, but is much more business oriented. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
I've always had good experience with this company: www.transition.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? I know thwy are lots of alternative, I wanted a recommendation for something reliable thanks Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Oh, well that's easy. Any number of products are available that will do what you need. Just search fiber media converter. We've had several TrendNet fiber media converters in service for years. Some have been on rooftops in NEMA enclosures and have endured years of heat and cold cycles without issue. Considering the price of TrendNet products they have far exceeded my expectations. http://www.trendnet.com/products/products.asp?cat=22 Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List; lakel...@gbcx.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Multimode to GigE Copper Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:11 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a bit. Bob, feel free to take this call... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Need more information. What kind of fiber? SM MM? What kind of GigE interface? Copper or fiber. If fiber is it SM or MM? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Any recomendattions on a reliable unit? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release
Huh ... interesting. I wonder if something similar exists for the healthcare IT initiatives coming down the pike .. - Original Message - From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net To: agre...@webjogger.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Fw: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release - Original Message - From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release Pdf attached WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Hey all, Following up on this thread ... First off, thanks to those who've offered advice off-list. It's been very helpful. Looks like we're seriously considering Trango Apex 18GHz ... our used Dragonwave lead didn't pan out. A couple other options have come up, too: E-Band's E-Link 1000 (~75GHz licensed, at a promotional price) or Cablefree G1500 (a 780nm FSO product). Anyone have any experience / feedback regarding either of these two products (or companies)? Again, we're trying to create a 1.2 km urban link in an ITU-R rain region K zone, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability, and sub-$13k (price is an object). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? You can go Dragonwave 24 Ghz Unlicensed Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Just to resuscitate this thread ... We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability. We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting interference. We've also gotten interfered with on Alvarion VL 5.8. We'd like to do 80GHz Bridgewave, but it's too expensive. 60GHz Bridgewave doesn't have enough reliability according to the link budget calculations. Without actually taking a spectrum analyzer to the location, what suggestion would anyone have about the best frequency radio to deploy, to minimize interference issues, get ~100Mbps throughput and not pay more than ~$13,000 (including advance replacement warranty)? We're thinking Trango Apex or Dragonwave ... Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow. They're happy with the price and we're happy with the profit at that price. No reason to race to the bottom with yet another product when the market clearly supports the current price point. Again, what are the options available today that can produce 1Gbps with AES256 encryption at line speed? The encryption alone can be valued at $10k - $20k depending on who you ask. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:24 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I fully agree. I'll add... the value of millimeterwave is 80Ghz, to actually have a license for next to free. The FCC created that for provider's benefit, not for manufacturers to charge us more and put the savings in their pockets. The truth is that 80Ghz takes the same cost to make as 60Ghz. But for some reason the manufacturers try to charge s premium, a lot more for the 80Ghz. I get pissed off everytime I think about it. It just holds the industry back for no good reason. We aren't to the $8000 figure yet including licenses, but we are getting really close with Trango Apex's. Its just a matter of time, before Trango adds 24Ghz to their line. And Dragonwave is doing 24Ghz pretty darn close to the goal. Thats my point on why 80Ghz vendors need to get it togeather and rethink their business plans. Their high profit ride on the specialty short range market, isn't going to last forever, when 24/23Ghz can do it for 1/3 the price. Most people would rather save money. They are going to have to bring 80Ghz to the $8 range to keep making sales, before to long. I'm not knocking the Bridgewve technology, its a great product. Sure for that half mile link, it can really get the highest capacity to its buyer. But how many of those $30k links will a WISP need? Maybe 1 or 2? I can count 500 buildings off the top of my head that can justify use of a $10k radio. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion
I second that. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion I have some on the network. So far I like my Alvarion gear. It's over prices but it's also rock solid. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Just to resuscitate this thread ... We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability. We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting interference. We've also gotten interfered with on Alvarion VL 5.8. We'd like to do 80GHz Bridgewave, but it's too expensive. 60GHz Bridgewave doesn't have enough reliability according to the link budget calculations. Without actually taking a spectrum analyzer to the location, what suggestion would anyone have about the best frequency radio to deploy, to minimize interference issues, get ~100Mbps throughput and not pay more than ~$13,000 (including advance replacement warranty)? We're thinking Trango Apex or Dragonwave ... Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow. They're happy with the price and we're happy with the profit at that price. No reason to race to the bottom with yet another product when the market clearly supports the current price point. Again, what are the options available today that can produce 1Gbps with AES256 encryption at line speed? The encryption alone can be valued at $10k - $20k depending on who you ask. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:24 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I fully agree. I'll add... the value of millimeterwave is 80Ghz, to actually have a license for next to free. The FCC created that for provider's benefit, not for manufacturers to charge us more and put the savings in their pockets. The truth is that 80Ghz takes the same cost to make as 60Ghz. But for some reason the manufacturers try to charge s premium, a lot more for the 80Ghz. I get pissed off everytime I think about it. It just holds the industry back for no good reason. We aren't to the $8000 figure yet including licenses, but we are getting really close with Trango Apex's. Its just a matter of time, before Trango adds 24Ghz to their line. And Dragonwave is doing 24Ghz pretty darn close to the goal. Thats my point on why 80Ghz vendors need to get it togeather and rethink their business plans. Their high profit ride on the specialty short range market, isn't going to last forever, when 24/23Ghz can do it for 1/3 the price. Most people would rather save money. They are going to have to bring 80Ghz to the $8 range to keep making sales, before to long. I'm not knocking the Bridgewve technology, its a great product. Sure for that half mile link, it can really get the highest capacity to its buyer. But how many of those $30k links will a WISP need? Maybe 1 or 2? I can count 500 buildings off the top of my head that can justify use of a $10k radio. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas with over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would do 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, We really don't need a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine. We have both 60 and 80GHz Bridgewave links and Trango Giga and Apex links. Bridgewave's are definitely the way to go for short hops where they are cheaper than doing a licensed link. However, if Trango or Dragonwave offered a 24GHz link that could do 100Mbps or more for $8k, we'd be all over it and almost never think of Bridgewave. Obviously Bridgewave's SLE100 can do it at that price, but even in our urban environment, customers tend to be outside of the 1/2 mile range. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Brad, Well, it can't with 2 radios. But it can with Dragonwave DUO combining 4 links for a total of 1400mbps. And Trango Apex at 700mbps is getting pretty close. But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak capacity is the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. What matters is getting distance, and increasing reliabilty, and affording to buy
Re: [WISPA] bonding
Yep, we're bonding DSL with MLPPP as well, with direct PVCs through Verizon. Caveat: we generally see only about 80% performance rates (i.e. if [4] 1Mbps circuits are bonded together, we get 3.2Mbps throughput). Have not found a way to improve this. Using Cisco gear on both ends. - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: e...@wisp-router.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] bonding Hi Eje, Yes, you are correct. We can bond DSL using MLPPP. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Jeff Broadwick Subject: Re: [WISPA] bonding I do believe you would be able to use an Imagestream. If memory serves me right they do support mlppp. I'm sure Jeff can correct me if I'm wrong. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Travis Johnson Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] bonding Sent: Jan 23, 2009 11:22 Hi, We currently provide DSL service using Qwest. We are a megahost provider, meaning we have a DS3 directly to Qwest, and then we can sell DSL circuits using our bandwidth, etc. In the past, we have been able to bond multiple DSL lines using a Cisco router on the customer side and then using Cisco's CEF protocol. This provides a true bonded connection, because it does a per packet load balance. Is there a better solution? I have to use a Cisco on our NOC side, but I would prefer to find something cheaper. Any ideas on what protocol may work? MLPPP or ? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Have had good results with radwin ... - Original Message - From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations We're pretty exclusive to the AN80 on backhauls...just deployed a new one this week. And yes, Redline support is awesome On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I love the an50s. Redline support is unbelieveable. The 80s have more capability and are half the price, though I haven't gotten my hands on them. On 1/8/09, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com wrote: Redline AN80i On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radwin 2000
Hi guys, Thanks for your feedback. I understand the Radwin 2000 is in beta right now, and that the pricing is going to be $5k per link when it hits the market. I'm still trying to find out whether the 50Mbps is w/ 20MHz or 40MHz channels. The company (which is Israeli) apparently is very strong in the non-US market and is looking to increase market share in the US. Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 I haven't looked at their new product yet. But their older ptp product was very nice. I had used one once, although I ended up favoring the Trango Atlas, for most of my PTP installs. One of the reasons was that RADWINs speed was overstated, as many CDMA/CA chipset type products did that emulated TDD and FDX. Trango's TDD HDX was more felxible, and gave a more consistent better delivery of more real throughput per Mhz. (But it is limited to 45mbps HDX) Its interesting to see a 50mbps FDX product, if it really delivers that, spectral efficiently. What was the price point on that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000 Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Radwin 2000
Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: 24 port Cisco Gigabit Switch?
Gino, WS-C2960G-24TC-L. But won't be less than $1k on ebay I'm afraid ... Adam - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT: 24 port Cisco Gigabit Switch? Anyone would recommend a good 24 Gige port, Cisco Switch? Possibly something I can grab for less than $1k on ebay ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Switch Questions
Mike, In the Cisco world, it's layer 3 only: WS-C3560E-24TD-S WS-C3750E-24TD-S (stackable) I've always had good experience with Cisco's layer 3 switches from a performance standpoint. Also, by default IP routing is turned off. Of course, they are not cheap. Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Switch Questions Does anyone know of a switch with GigE ports and the capability for 10GigE uplinks without routing? I want a switch that can upgrade the core links when necessary, but not wanting one that routes because I'm under the impression that Layer 3 switches don't perform well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 60Ghz backhaul....
We've had very good success with Bridgewave gear. They have 60GHz unlicensed and 80GHz licensed solutions which support 100Mbps and Gigabit speeds. Link range on the 60GHz is about 1-2 miles; I think the 80GHz is similar. Reliability is very high. Good luck, Adam - Original Message - From: Luke Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 60Ghz backhaul I was wondering of anyone had any advise as to what type of radio to get 100+mb throughput with high reliability. This would be an upgrade to a backbone. I have read up on some of the 60Ghz but the one I found was well over 10Gs (not happening). One important thing is that I have to stay out of the 5.7 range (this tower has that covered.) and there lies the trouble. I am, so far, looking at some 5.4s but If anyone has any advise, I would appreciate it. Regards, LP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] report on conversation with CALEA
Hi, I just spoke with Norm Wright (part of the CALEA Tech unit, 703-632-6218). Here is what I learned from the conversation: -we will be responding to court orders from LEA's, not subpoenas -T1.IAS and ATIS-013 are the same standard. ATIS-013 is the new name for T1.IAS. -safe harbor can only be obtained by implementing a CALEA compliance solution based on one of the standards outlined in section 107 of the law -if one does not obtain safe harbor then one just has to be able to comply with what a given LEA may request. If one's interpretation of what section 103 (which is vague) entitles the LEA to ask for differs from what the LEA thinks it entitles it to, and agreement cannot be reached, the matter will have to be settled in court between oneself and the LEA -obtaining safe harbor with the FBI alone is OK, but there are hundreds of LEA's out there besides the FBI. Obtaining safe harbor with the FBI does not guarantee that one has safe harbor with any other LEA -CALEA requires the ISP to be able to sniff *all* customer traffic, including traffic passing *between* two of its customers (referred to as hairpinning). If the LEA requires this and the ISP can't provide it, the ISP may need to go to court -the ISP must be able to transmit *all* data to the LEA in realtime (with an 8 second delay, I believe), regardless of whether the traffic is VoIP or not -dialup traffic does not fall under CALEA. The Class 5 office servicing the phone line has to perform the intercept in these cases, not the ISP -CALEA does not define the interface by which the LEA can obtain access to the data stream captured by the ISP. The ISP can use any industry standard. LEA's are generally not too happy about this because it makes them have to be able to support multiple standards. Norm could not tell me whether being able to grant the LEA access to the data stream via SSH was adequate or not. He thought it might be. I guess the alternative would be a VPN. -regarding opencalea.org, Norm had heard of them but was not very familiar with them. If they can fulfill a standard like ATIS-013 then utilizing a solution based on opencalea should provide the ISP with safe harbor. However, I understand that opencalea has not yet been able to put together a fully standards-based solution yet. Until they do, those of us depending on an opencalea-based compliance solution will have to live with the risk of not being able to negotiate a mutually satisfactory compliance method with any given LEA that issues us a court order, and thus face a possible stint in court Norm said that he is the point person at CALEA for questions of this nature, and can contact the Office of General Counsel if needed to respond to legal questions. They can't provide official interpretations of the law, but they might be able to answer some questions. In general, I found the conversation very helpful (if not somewhat disconcerting because of some of what I learned). It would be interesting to know if any of this differs from what the WISPA board has been able to learn through their conversations with the FBI. In particular, do I understand correctly that WISPA is attempting to negotiate a section 107-type standard so that any ISP that conforms to the standard will be able to obtain safe harbor with *all* LEA's (or just the FBI)? Thanks, Adam Adam Greene VP, Operations Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x134 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA
Marlon, All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and gal) for doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are doing alone makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I probably would not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without the help of WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this work, so all I can say is thanks. Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA website so that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share this info with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them and the larger community. Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the contact info of the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance. Best regards, Adam --- Adam Greene VP, Operations Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x134 - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Hi All, As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to the FBI's CALEA team first hand. We went down with a compilation of most of the questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find. Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between WISPs and the FBI's CALEA team. As you can see, there is NO reason to panic. There is NO data storage requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific warrant. There is no requirement to use an expensive TTP solution etc. Heck, they won't even toss you in jail for that free open hotspot you have! I hope people sleep better after having read this. Special thanks to Mike, Eric, Martha, Brent and Marty for all of the hours and hours and hours that they have put into this doc. Not to mention the money and time they put into the trip to Virginia! Great job guys (and gal), many many thanks. The deadline to be compliant is coming up in May. There are a couple of mechanisms that look like they'll allow you guys to be compliant very quickly and without going broke in the process. Image Stream has been deeply involved with this and a couple of other efforts that WISPA is working on in regards to CALEA. As is Butch Evens. Both have solutions that should work for folks if you get a warrant issued before the rest of the things we're working on are finished up. I'll release more info on what we're doing at the association level as soon as I can. Please know though, we have some very bright people deeply involved in things related to CALEA and it's impact on our businesses. The next phases will take several months though. Sincerely, Marlon K. Schafer FCC Committee Chairman www.wispa.org -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods- For Clint
. The fewer costly licenses that need to be bought, the better it is for the small guy. We are very small (make that tiny). We all know that a decent switch can mirror a port. We also know how to sniff packets. What we don't know is how to package this data up with a nice pretty red bow the way Joe Law wants it. As far as I understand it, this is what Cisco is saying they will do (although I'm sure it will not be free). Imagestream is promising something as well. Those of us who don't use Cisco or Imagestream have to hope that our hardware provider will come up with a way, too. Aren't we really on the same page, here? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods Just as a general rule, CALEA monitoring is not something that you need to--or want to--do at each individual CPE or router. Likewise, although assistance from manufacturors is nice, it is not requisite and in some ways may complicate matters since you can end up with hundreds of different monitoring nodes and several different interfaces unless you have complete uniformity across your network. Generally, the easiest and most cost effective approach is to place taps at key points in your network that give you access to traffic. If you backhaul all of your wireless traffic to a central points, a single tap at the central point can monitor all of the traffic from the wireless cells. The tapping process itself does not need to be expensive or complicated. Any decent switch (if it doesn't, you probably shouldn't be using it to begin with) has some sort of port mirroring built in that can easily function as a tap. If not, ethernet and fiber taps are fairly cheap ($100-$200 or so on the second hand market). The tap can be hooked into a server running tcpdump or similiar software or various commercially available. This provides complete compliance for a fairly reasonable cost. Having a tap on each wireless access point, etc...needlessly complicates the whole affair and increases cost drastically. If you are doing backhaul via an Internet T1 or similiar, the upstream carrier may be doing some of this for you. However, you do have to analyze carefully to ensure that you are compliant in this situation. Note that this actually is a good idea to have even without CALEA as you can get a good idea as to what traffic is actually running on your network and can better track down virus/hackers/other malicious traffic. - I have posted a couple of messages over on the Mikrotik forum over the last month or so. Mikrotik first basically said why should we care- we are in Latvia. After a little pressure from users, they began to ask for more information about the subject. I'm not at all knowledgeable enough to discuss the technical specs of the format, but I'm sure there are some folks around that are. Let's get MT users and prospective users rallied and do what we can to ebcourage MT to comply. It can only help us more and should also create a yardstick for other manufacturers. Here is a link to the threads http://forum.mikrotik.com/search.php?mode=resultssid=723d81c229563812d900d2 0b3a31a900 Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods Hi, While I appreciate Mark's comments and point of view, I for one would like to also start looking for ways to possibly comply with CALEA in a cost-effective way. I'm afraid that if the conversation here is limited to whether we should comply or not, we might lose the opportunity to share with each other about technical implementation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that the conversation about whether to comply should be halted, just that some room be given to those of us who also want to speak about implementation. I'm still interested if anyone has any point of view about any of the compliance methods that I discussed in my original post, from a technical standpoint. Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:21:53 -0400, Peter R. wrote Mark, CALEA IS LAW. There are interpretations of that law, but they have been upheld by courts. YOu're arguing against things I'm not saying. CALEA is not the opinion of the DOJ or FCC. It is not far-reaching (like say the Patriot Act) or secret and possibly illegal like the NSA-ATT wiretapping / surveillance. The whole idea that WE are covered under CALEA is just FCC opinion, which is as changeable and variable as the wind. The ruling
Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods
Hi, While I appreciate Mark's comments and point of view, I for one would like to also start looking for ways to possibly comply with CALEA in a cost-effective way. I'm afraid that if the conversation here is limited to whether we should comply or not, we might lose the opportunity to share with each other about technical implementation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that the conversation about whether to comply should be halted, just that some room be given to those of us who also want to speak about implementation. I'm still interested if anyone has any point of view about any of the compliance methods that I discussed in my original post, from a technical standpoint. Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:21:53 -0400, Peter R. wrote Mark, CALEA IS LAW. There are interpretations of that law, but they have been upheld by courts. YOu're arguing against things I'm not saying. CALEA is not the opinion of the DOJ or FCC. It is not far-reaching (like say the Patriot Act) or secret and possibly illegal like the NSA-ATT wiretapping / surveillance. The whole idea that WE are covered under CALEA is just FCC opinion, which is as changeable and variable as the wind. The ruling is capricious and founded on VAPOR, not substance. I just cannot believe you approve of unfunded federal mandates for public purposes. CALEA was not. Misapplying CALEA is. This is not OSHA mandates. This is not the same as requiring that a tower service company require their climbers to use a safety system. Not even close. If the federal government is justified with making us provide, AT OUR EXPENSE, law enforcement services, then we're one little itty bitty non- existent step from from being mandated to do ANYTHING they happen to wish for, and the wish lists from the swamp on the Potomac are so large they boggle the mind. And don't give me the we play dead for regulatory favors in the future crap. Nothing we do will buy us one MOMENT's worth of consideration, in EITHER direction. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods
of port mirroring built in that can easily function as a tap. If not, ethernet and fiber taps are fairly cheap ($100-$200 or so on the second hand market). The tap can be hooked into a server running tcpdump or similiar software or various commercially available. This provides complete compliance for a fairly reasonable cost. Having a tap on each wireless access point, etc...needlessly complicates the whole affair and increases cost drastically. If you are doing backhaul via an Internet T1 or similiar, the upstream carrier may be doing some of this for you. However, you do have to analyze carefully to ensure that you are compliant in this situation. Note that this actually is a good idea to have even without CALEA as you can get a good idea as to what traffic is actually running on your network and can better track down virus/hackers/other malicious traffic. - I have posted a couple of messages over on the Mikrotik forum over the last month or so. Mikrotik first basically said why should we care- we are in Latvia. After a little pressure from users, they began to ask for more information about the subject. I'm not at all knowledgeable enough to discuss the technical specs of the format, but I'm sure there are some folks around that are. Let's get MT users and prospective users rallied and do what we can to ebcourage MT to comply. It can only help us more and should also create a yardstick for other manufacturers. Here is a link to the threads http://forum.mikrotik.com/search.php?mode=resultssid=723d81c229563812d900d2 0b3a31a900 Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods Hi, While I appreciate Mark's comments and point of view, I for one would like to also start looking for ways to possibly comply with CALEA in a cost-effective way. I'm afraid that if the conversation here is limited to whether we should comply or not, we might lose the opportunity to share with each other about technical implementation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that the conversation about whether to comply should be halted, just that some room be given to those of us who also want to speak about implementation. I'm still interested if anyone has any point of view about any of the compliance methods that I discussed in my original post, from a technical standpoint. Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:21:53 -0400, Peter R. wrote Mark, CALEA IS LAW. There are interpretations of that law, but they have been upheld by courts. YOu're arguing against things I'm not saying. CALEA is not the opinion of the DOJ or FCC. It is not far-reaching (like say the Patriot Act) or secret and possibly illegal like the NSA-ATT wiretapping / surveillance. The whole idea that WE are covered under CALEA is just FCC opinion, which is as changeable and variable as the wind. The ruling is capricious and founded on VAPOR, not substance. I just cannot believe you approve of unfunded federal mandates for public purposes. CALEA was not. Misapplying CALEA is. This is not OSHA mandates. This is not the same as requiring that a tower service company require their climbers to use a safety system. Not even close. If the federal government is justified with making us provide, AT OUR EXPENSE, law enforcement services, then we're one little itty bitty non- existent step from from being mandated to do ANYTHING they happen to wish for, and the wish lists from the swamp on the Potomac are so large they boggle the mind. And don't give me the we play dead for regulatory favors in the future crap. Nothing we do will buy us one MOMENT's worth of consideration, in EITHER direction. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
[WISPA] CALEA compliance methods
Hi, As a new member of WISPA I am reading with interest all of the postings about CALEA from the past few weeks. Thankfully, we have designed our network in such a way that all customer IP traffic passes through at least one Cisco switch before it can be bridged to any other customer or routed to the Internet, so I think we'll be able to SPAN all customer traffic and from there manipulate the data streams and hand them off to law enforcement. The only exception to this case might be our Waverider CCU's, which are routing packets between various end-users. I am going to contact them to see what their take is on implementing LI -- we might need to stop using the CCU's as routers. The main questions I have for the forum are ... assuming we can at least make a copy of a given customer's traffic without the customer realizing it (i.e. non-intrusively), how are we going to be able to format the data to be able to hand it off to law enforcement? We obviously want to do this in the most cost-effective way possible (read: open source solution). http://www.opencalea.org/ definitely looks promising, but it is just getting off the ground as far as I can tell. I wonder if there are any other groups out there working on this. As far as compliance standards go, as far as I can tell, the one that most fits us might be ATIS -T1.IPNA -ISP data, but I'm still confused about that. When I visit http://www.askcalea.net/standards.html, I see a link for Wireline: PTSC T1.IAS which takes me to https://www.atis.org/docstore/product.aspx?id=22665. Is this all the same as ATIS -T1.IPNA -ISP? Somehow I don't have the feeling that paying $164.00 for this standard is going to help get me in the right direction We do have a couple savvy Linux guru-types in house that could deploy a good open-source solution and keep it updated, I think. But I don't think we're up to developing such a solution ourselves from scratch. I did find a device made by a company called Solera (http://www.voip-news.com/feature/solera-calea-voip-packet-capture-031907/) which looks like it could be cost-effective (read: ~$7000.00) for a small ISP (read: ~1,000 customers) like us. Obviously we would prefer open source, but at least it was a relief to see that we might be able to avoid the $40,000 - $100,000 solutions I've been hearing about from TTP's and other (larger) ISPs. Matt Liotta, you mentioned that you have the ability to provide lawful intercept in compliance with CALEA for our single-homed downstream ISP customers assuming there is no NAT involved. Would you be willing to share some details about the solution you've been able to come up with? I do see the opportunity that this whole CALEA thing could provide to some ISP's who figure out a way to develop a cost-effective solution and then offer consulting services or **affordable** TTP services to other companies ... I also read with interest the Baller law group's Key Legal and Technical Requirements and Options for CALEA (http://www.baller.com/pdfs/BHLG-CTC_CALEA_Memo.pdf) that Peter Radizeski forwarded to the list. I had not taken seriously the possibility of filing a section 109(b) petition, but if we do due diligence and really do not find an affordable solution to deploy on our network, I think we may have to seriously consider that (for example, the part about asking to be considered compliant as long as we can meet most of LI's requirements, if not all of them). Please excuse the long and rambling post ... I'm just having a hard time finding out how to grab a hold of this CALEA beast. Thanks, Adam --- Adam Greene VP, Operations Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x134 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
