[WISPA] Tower Easements

[Charles Bender via Wireless]

 

Hey all,

I am meeting with a property owner that I have been renting space on for
several years. He is selling his property so is offering to sell an easement
for our tower (Sub 50ft). 

 

I am looking for experience shares on determining valuation, any agreements
people have used  and any gotchas I need to look out for. If you have a
minute to share here or privately I could sure use the help.

 

Thank you,

 

Charles Bender, CEO

Skynet Broadband  ~ Xpert PC Plus
1502 Cole Street, Enumclaw, WA 98022
(360) 802-6657 Fax (888) 522-7409

 

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[WISPA] Sheridan Hotel Space Needed

[Charles Jones]

My plans have changed and I will now be able to attend the WISPA Memphis
meeting.

If you have hotel reservations and think you might have to cancel your
reservations please let me know.

Charles (Skip) Jones
New WISPA associate member
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[WISPA] Operating as a non-profit

[Charles Jones]

My local county government is considering becoming a WISP. I am interested
in finding out if there any city or county governments operating a wireless
internet in the United States.

Charles (skip) Jones
Franklin, GA
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Re: [WISPA] Facebook ads

[Charles Wu]

Apples vs Oranges

On a high level:

Facebook creates demand (top of funnel) as it is a more contextually driven
native experience (think stumbling into relevant offers as you scroll
through your news feed)

Google captures demand (middle of funnel), as it is based off of some
derivative of search

There's a lot more too this if you want to dive into the nitty gritty...

On Jan 19, 2017 7:30 PM, "Mark Steckel"  wrote:

>
> How does Facebook advertising compare to Google Ad Words and other forms
> of advertising?
>
>
>
> - Gino Villarini  wrote:
> > Facebook is the best advertising you can buy if executed correctly! We
> have relied exclusively on it for the last 18 months…
> >
> > Need to take care of:
> >
> > Correct message
> > Good images/art
> > Good targeting
> > Timing
> > Offer
> >
> > From: >
> on behalf of David Funderburk >
> > Organization: GlobalVision
> >
> >
> >
> > Gino Villarini
> >
> >
> > President
> > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> >
> > [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
> >
> > Reply-To: WISPA General List  el...@wispa.org>>
> > Date: Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 11:03 AM
> > To: WISPA General List >
> > Subject: [WISPA] Facebook ads
> >
> >
> > If you are or know of a WISP/ISP who has successfully used Facebook ads,
> would you please send me some links to it? We are going to give it a try
> but wanted to see what others have done in our industry.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David Funderburk
> > GlobalVision
> > 864-569-0703
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Re: [WISPA] Facebook ads

[Charles Wu]

I haven’t been doing it for WISPs, but I spent close to $1 million in FB ads 
last month for various CPG related initiatives

 

There are a few new products that we’re using to start to drive offline 
in-store sales, between that and the shift towards mobile, been actually 
thinking about how to apply that into the WISP industry

 

Check out: https://www.facebook.com/business/news/dynamic-ads-for-retail-launch

 

Happy to have a conversation on this…

 

-Charles

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of David Funderburk
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:03 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: [WISPA] Facebook ads

 

If you are or know of a WISP/ISP who has successfully used Facebook ads, would 
you please send me some links to it? We are going to give it a try but wanted 
to see what others have done in our industry.

Thanks


David Funderburk
GlobalVision
864-569-0703

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Re: [WISPA] captive portal software

[Charles Regan]

Packetfence

On Oct 8, 2016 9:20 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

> Mikrotik?
>
> On Oct 8, 2016, at 18:54, David Funderburk  wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a solid captive portal software for WIFI networks?
> Open source is preferred but not required.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Funderburk
> GlobalVision
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Charles Wu]

While I can’t speak directly for PowerCode, I suspect that if you got an 
unsolicited voicemail from them that they probably have someone monitoring this 
list.

 

-Charles

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

 

FYI guys I got a voicemail at my office yesterday afternoon from powercode 
confirming they are aware of this issue. 

I have not spoken to them yet and I am not sure if they are aware this is a 
time critical issue for some WISP who may have CAF funding becoming available 
for someone to overbuild them due to faulty 477 data. 

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

I can't tell that anything like that is happening with the plans.

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com 
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > wrote:

I also noticed strange numbers in the speed plans sometimes it would line 
up with a plan that we offered sometimes it would seem to pick a down from one 
plan and an upload that from a different plan. 

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net 
<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

That's interesting. so some lines show nothing for and down/up speed.  others 
shows some plan that we have. Is powercode just picking the user with the 
highest plan for the block and displaying that? hmm

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com 
<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com> > wrote:

Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks can 
you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts actual 
subscribers in tracts. 

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Well then. That sucks.



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 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 

 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 


  _  


From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have subscribers 
that powercode should have included in the CSV. 

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

How many blocks are your subscribers in?



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<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 

 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 


  _  


From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the deployment 
.csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in which you have a 
customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely generate incomplete 
results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem. Powercode was giving us 22 
blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I did it by hand in GIS software, I 
have 841 blocks. Something seems to be very broken. I just finished the 
analysis right now, I will be emailing them shortly.

 

If you guys are blindly dumping your

Re: [WISPA] Remote Access

[Charles N Wyble]

On 03/08/2012 02:43 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
 We've currently got a customer using the a sonicwall SSL VPN
 Netextender to VPN into their internal network. However, Lately it
 hasn't been working to well for them. And they are getting a few mac's
 in the mix these days. And sonicwall says the software doesn't work
 with macs and there is no plan to.

 Now, I know I could do this with a simple mikrotik router and PPTP as
 pretty much everything under the sun supports pptp. But we were
 looking for something that might be a little more user friendly.
 Anyone have any suggestions.
 The customer is just looking to gain internal access for things like
 windows filesharing..exchange..etc.. in a secure fashion.

OpenVPN.

http://www.thesparklabs.com/viscosity/


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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

[Charles Wu]

I have a dissenting opinion...

It all comes down to a simple economics in the end.  Who can most cost 
effectively provide broadband.  

A cellular network is built for coverage

Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective, will 
tend to put the same equipment everywhere

What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the tower in 
the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway where there's 
only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment and capacity as the 
tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous users

So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base station have 
already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage requirements, but 
many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity

In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP and 
putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers aren't 
affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is found money -- self 
installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower with 700 MHz 
on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

At the end of the day when a WISP puts 
up a 'cell' site it is probably costing them 1/100th of what it costs 
the cellco to do so.  The equipment used is most likely 1/100th the cost 
at the 'AP' and 1/10th at the CPE and the spectrum that the cellco uses 
is not free.

Even when you take into account that the cellco operates on a much 
longer ROI and they can get some economy of scale on certain things I 
don't see how they can overcome the price difference to be able to 
effectively compete against a WISP, especially given their lack of 
spectrum.  Sure you get a much better noise floor, but they have fewer 
channels to deal with.  And from a cost perspective it is a lot harder 
to justify putting up micropops as a cellco.  I know plenty of WISPs 
that can afford to put a micro-pop up for 3 customers.  I do see how a 
cellco could afford to do that for eveny 20 times that number.

Deep pockets only last so long when you are losing money.

On 10/26/11 11:07 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/26/2011 11:42 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 The LIVE network here does 26Mb x 22Mb with70ms latency.
 The VZW network isn't such bad competition for a WISP for two reasons.

 One -- those numbers you see are on the brand-new, unloaded
 network.  The've just started selling LTE gear this year, so the
 cells are nowhere near full capacity.  As they get busier, average
 capacity per subscriber will go down, especially during busy
 hours.  At some point they will add cells, but I'm suspecting it's at
 a much lower performance point than you're seeing now.

 Two -- their per-cell costs are much higher, and thus they have to
 charge more for bulk usage.  They have caps on their plans, and
 additional usage is very costly.  So while LTE is okay for the
 vacation traveler looking to check email and read a few favorite web
 sites, or the light home user, it's not going to appeal to even
 moderate users.  Even Sprint is starting to cap its plans, after
 running a huge unlimited (uh, for the rest of the month?)
 advertising campaign.


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Re: [WISPA] WHMCS any body using it for WISP billing?

[Charles N Wyble]

On 10/03/2011 03:02 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
 Dear All

 just curious to hear from your stories about WHMS...

 anybody using it for the WISP market? I know it is well accepted in the 
 domain/hosting market just wondering about the wireless thing

 Thank you in advance


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Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

[Charles Wu]

Trust me, I'd love to be there (in fact, plane tickets and everything were 
bought) but I have some pressing personal issues that have to be attended to...

-Charles

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:48 PM
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Ditto

On Oct 2, 2011, at 1:35 AM, Travis Johnson 
t...@ida.netmailto:t...@ida.net wrote:
WHAT? I was really looking forward to chatting with you... better hire someone 
to take your place for a while so you can come... :)

Travis
Microserv


On 10/1/2011 9:41 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
Unfortunately, I just found out that I'm not going to be able to go =(

-Charles

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:07 PM
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I don't care for Vegas, but I can't wait to see everyone!


Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106


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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:42 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas


Who is excited?!

If you haven't gotten your preparations ready, do them NOW!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



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Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

[Charles Wu]

Unfortunately, I just found out that I'm not going to be able to go =(

-Charles

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I don't care for Vegas, but I can't wait to see everyone!


Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106


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Who is excited?!

If you haven't gotten your preparations ready, do them NOW!

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul

[Charles Wu]

Its nice to see products comming out like APEX9, enabling $6900/link pricing 
standard, which are fully feauture rich to latest standards.

You're a little high on the price - it's $6500 for a full link (and that's the 
rack rate for a single link =)

That price includes high power (e.g., +28 dBm for 11 GHz)

The Apex9 Radios also support compression - in our testing, we got ~390 Mbps 
full duplex with 64 byte packets

-Charles



- Original Message -
From: Blake Covarrubiasmailto:bl...@beamspeed.com
To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul

We have quite a few Trango licensed radios. They work well. Latency is usually 
under 1ms for each hop.

--
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On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:16, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Most if not all of the licensed backhauls are very solid and very good.  I have 
a SAF link that is working well.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Marco Coelho 
coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com wrote:
Exalt has a nice product line.  How much bandwidth and how far are you trying 
to go are good places to start.

mc
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:00 AM, John M. Nix 
j...@cnetworksolutions.commailto:j...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote:
We are thinking of changing our core backhaul from 5.8 Ghz to a Licensed 
solution.  Just wondering what the most cost effective solution would be 
without losing a great deal of quality.

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Re: [WISPA] ANyone with RFP writing experince for some Draft review

[Charles Wu]

You can send it to me to take a look at...

-Charles

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
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Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:01 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] ANyone with RFP writing experince for some Draft review

We are in the process of writing a response for a RUS funded RFP, would like 
someone with previous experience to review it 

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[WISPA] Comcast getting into Video over IP

[Charles Wu]

Comcast Corp., facing a growing threat from online video services, is fighting 
fire with fire. 

The country's largest cable-service provider soon will start testing a new way 
to deliver its television channels, co-opting the same technology standard that 
upstart Internet rivals have used to challenge traditional pay-TV business 
models.

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[WISPA] ATT Landline Divestiture

[Charles Wu]

A little bird told me that ATT may divorce its legacy landline copper business 
as a merger condition with T-mobile...thoughts / comments?  What about Frontier 
taking over the landline world?

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

[Charles Wu]

Sabre Industries makes 150' freestanding monopoles.  I suspect they're cheaper 
than freestanding lattice towers.

Really?  Every monopole I've every priced seems to be 25-30% greater than a SSV 
of comparable wind load, not to mention you end up spending 50-70% more on the 
foundation

Plus, mounting on monopoles is a PITA, we're trying to move to 100% SSV for new 
boards (obviously, local zoning ordinances apply)

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[WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

[Charles Wu]

From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the guy 
some credit...

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/




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Re: [WISPA] Question about hosting client's POS merchant account for credit card processing

[Charles Wu]

Those that are enlightened have figured out that there's enough money in the 
credit card processing that you shouldn't support it for free

Alex Goldman wrote a story on this a few years ago: 
http://www.ippay.com/index.php?q=ispcon_ippay_08

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ben West
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 7:15 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Question about hosting client's POS merchant account for 
credit card processing

I am curious if anyone has experience providing wireless service to small 
businesses who use a POS credit card system.

My own chats with various small biz owners here in St. Louis suggests that 
their merchant account providers tend to expect a twisted-pair phone line 
and/or dedicated DSL/cable, no wireless.

I imagine this may vary depending on who actually provides the merchant 
account, but has anyone received feedback from such providers about their 
expectations for serving the credit card machines wireless?  E.g. must you use 
dedicated, encrypted wireless links (as common sense would suggest), and/or 
VPNs, or must the POS machine sit on a dedicated LAN, etc?

Thanks.

P.S. By POS I mean Point of Sale, to avoid any confusion. ;)

--
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[WISPA] More 4G LTE...

[Charles Wu]

So, frustrated with my Comcast this morning (looks like the neighbors are 
pounding away on Netflix and I'm barely able to get 1 Mb on my speedtest) - I 
just turned on the MiFi router in my HTC Thunderbolt, and I'm getting 10 Mb 
down / 4 Mb up while streaming Pandora in the background (and my RDP VPNs are 
working properly now =)

Wow...

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Charles Wu]

It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is 
throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range

That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far 
for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it 
side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, 
how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in 
the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
big file via FTP or whatever.
It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

~V~

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
router on phone

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all

to yourself.

I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without 
the big antenna outside.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


 It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

 most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one
 direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
 then the customer upload).

 Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
 have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
 the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
 totally different ;)

 Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
 interface when the test is running...

 Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla  Speedtest.net test are
 bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
 algorithms.

 On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:

 Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
 Speedtest.Net to my handset



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Charles Wu]

The Ericsson APs that Verizon uses cost ~$50k / tower plus antennas and cable

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs.

The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update


I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year.
It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but
will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money
because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:

 yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to.

 No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain
 to
 match the effort and cost.

 The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on
 typical
 style WISP gear.
 But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate
 and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones?

 Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed
 capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is
 considered outdated to the dark ages.

 In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it
 performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50%
 degregation.

 Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's
 performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry.

 The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can
 accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for
 real world competitive and technical challenges.

 A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and
 always
 be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is
 happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO.  But in the real world its common for
 one
 polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run
 both
 chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the
 overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30%
 increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world
 deployments
 closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years.
 Why  aren't they being developed?

 Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for
 unlciensed to be competitive?



 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update


 +1

 very well said.. to the point !...
 Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and
 irrelevant. !
 ---

 The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
 that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to
 remain
 continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade
 and
 replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will
 also
 need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to
 show
 that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings.
 ---

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air
 interface
 to
 deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
 needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most
 are
 bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
 competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
 Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot
 over
 all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player
 in
 the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are
 doing
 and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes.
 Fortunately
 it
 seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or
 exceeded
 other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Charles Wu]

LTE latency is about 60-100 ms

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about
LTE latency

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

 Wimax or LTE?
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
 
 Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
 mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
 20ms. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com
 wrote:
 
 On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 
 That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency?
IIRC
 it
 was in the 100 ms?
 
 
 I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
 seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
 
 --
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Charles Wu]

Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless 
router on phone

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all 
to yourself.

I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without 
the big antenna outside.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


 It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

 most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one
 direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
 then the customer upload).

 Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
 have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
 the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
 totally different ;)

 Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
 interface when the test is running...

 Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla  Speedtest.net test are
 bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
 algorithms.

 On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:

 Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
 Speedtest.Net to my handset



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

[Charles Wu]

Since the kids discovered Netflix, my main Comcast broadband connection has 
gotten completely trashed and is unusable

Included with the Thunderbolt is free MiFi router capability – so you can use 
your computer connection through it (which I now do when the kids are using 
Netflix)

Since I’m personally not a very heavy user (just doing VPN for work at home) if 
it wasn’t for streaming video, I’d probably just cancel comcast

-Charles

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

I used a new Thunderbolt in Orlando during the CTIA show where Verizon turned 
up their 4G.  Speedtest.net gave a 9MB download and 38MB upload but when I went 
to run Pandora, it warned me it couldn't play the higher quality stream so 
basically it was an impressive 32byte ping but fell on it's face once you used 
it.  Unimpressed, that's why I refer to cell phone Internet as Play Internet

Forbes

On 4/2/2011 8:53 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
I'm sure its not loaded like the 3G system is here. Was fast the first day. Now 
not much.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 2, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Bret Clark 
bcl...@spectraaccess.commailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:
Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla  
Speedtest.nethttp://Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time 
because it's based on screwy test algorithms.

On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at 
Speedtest.Nethttp://Speedtest.Net to my handset

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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

[Charles Wu]

It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one
direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
then the customer upload).

Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
totally different ;)

Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
interface when the test is running...

 Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla  Speedtest.net test are
 bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
 algorithms.
 
 On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:

 Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
 Speedtest.Net to my handset

  

 -Charles




 
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[WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

[Charles Wu]

Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at 
Speedtest.Net to my handset

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News

[Charles N Wyble]

Is there an official statement from ATT on the DSL bandwidth cap? I 
can't find one. I can just find the broadband reports blog post on it.

On 3/16/2011 10:07 AM, Matt wrote:
 http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=bandwidth+capform=QBNBqs=nsk=sc=8-13


 
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Re: [WISPA] Internet service in Austin TX

[Charles wyble]

Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

Keep in mind, it hasn't been fully marketed like they used to.  I have friends 
that switched to Clear from DSL, and after 6 months switched back because the 
AP's were loaded at night.
Regards,

Chuck


On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com wrote:

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Charles N Wyble
char...@knownelement.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm going to be relocating to Austin TX (northeast. Anderson Springs
 apartment complex). Anyone out there providing net access?

Several friends of mine in Austin use Clear, and they seem very happy
with the throughput that they get around the city area.

--
Also on LinkedIn?  Feel free to connect if you too are an open
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Clear has worked wonderfully so far. Very happy with it. 
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Re: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

[Charles Wu]

We can help...and IP Pay allows for you to share in the revenue also =)

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:30 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

I work with a group that has a website that is failing PCI compliance scans. 
Existing hosting provider might not have the ability to support it which may 
mean we need to move.

Anyone providing hosting that is PCI compliant? How much?

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Re: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

[Charles Wu]

Hi Eric,

Did you know that with IP Pay's Partner Program, you can make money off of the 
QSA services (e.g., Control Scan) and your customer's gateway / merchant 
account?

-Charles

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:07 PM
To: jrichard...@aircloud.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

Jerry,

We have a company that we host 
www.cablesforless.comhttp://www.cablesforless.com that we have gone through 
PCI Compliancy testing... and many rounds with Control Scan.  Depending on what 
they need, we might be able to help them, or point them in the right direction, 
or offer them a new home if they can't get it fixed.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:30 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] PCI compliant hosting

I work with a group that has a website that is failing PCI compliance scans. 
Existing hosting provider might not have the ability to support it which may 
mean we need to move.

Anyone providing hosting that is PCI compliant? How much?

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone doing IPTV?

[Charles wyble]

support supp...@nitline.com wrote:

Anyone find a cost effective way to do IPTV yet? That is something I'm really 
wanting to get into Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support 
(574) 772-7550 ext 103 
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This is something I'm interested as well. Various opensource bits exist, but 
lots of drm involved. Also multicast is interesting. 
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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Charles N Wyble]

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On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
 And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would
 appreciate a device like this!  I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few
 months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response.  He had no
 idea why I would want such a thing..sigh
 
  
 
 So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a
 bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning:
 
  
 
 (1)  Multi-port models.  (e.g. 6, 12  24 ports) 

Of course.

 
 (2)  SNMP  Web Interface Management with ACL firewall.

Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why
does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network
security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated
infrastructure management network right?

 
 (3)  Redundant power supplies with separate power cords.  (e.g. UPS Blue 
 UPS Red)

Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power
supplies be hot swappable?

 
 (4)  Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port.  (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs.
 UBNT, etc.)


 
 (5)  Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable
 per port.


Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch
for example). That would make the most sense to me.

 
 (6)  1U shallow depth form factor.

Naturally

 
 (7)  Auto-Ping per port.

What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a
heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of
course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is
a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something)

 
 (8)  LED Status indicators per port.

Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to
being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access.
Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw).

 
 (9)  Optional DC power source model for solar sites?

DC power is a requirement I think. On every model.

 
 (10)  Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model?

Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will?

 What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller?

Think you about covered it.

One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly
dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't
know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily
be done).

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash
 Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
 
  
 
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[WISPA] Internet service in Austin TX

[Charles N Wyble]

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Hello,

I'm going to be relocating to Austin TX (northeast. Anderson Springs
apartment complex). Anyone out there providing net access?

I also will be keeping my small WISP in CA going, as I have many
friends/colleagues back here. Very interested in mapping initiatives
etc. I noticed that Austin has some great GIS resources and seems quite
tech savvy.

If no one is serving the area currently, I'll probably start another
WISP up.



- -- 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

[Charles Wu]

It looks like a success-based voucher technologically neutral system for USF 
Reform/CAF is what's being proposed by the RCA (Rural Cellular Association)

http://rca-usa.org/press/rca-press-releases/five-things-the-fcc-can-do-to-accelerate-broadband-deployment/914048
 

Perhaps WISPA should/could partner up with them for a stronger voice?

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

We need to have the USF turned into a voucher credit system that the
end user can apply to what ever supplier they chose. Maybe its not
the best idea, but I do not feel I have heard of a better one. Better
for /the users/ not better for the I/CLECs and other
very vested interests.


On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
 At 2/11/2011 01:06 AM, JohnS wrote:
  The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make
  it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all
  broadband providers!
 
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213
 
  Bret
 


We should comment. The comment should be that we do not support any
form of broadband subsidies and that USF should be eliminated. It is a
New Internet Tax. We should all call it that and get people riled up
about it.

 The FCC can't eliminate USF entirely.  It is statutory:  The Telecom
 Act of 1996 established USF and called for it to keep rural telephone
 rates comparable to urban rates.  Because rural states get two
 senators just like big states, they have undue influence on subsidy
 legislation.  Ted Stevens of Alaska was a leader here; he later
 wanted the FCC to outlaw VoIP, since it threatened the costly toll
 minutes that paid into USF.

 The new proposal makes matters worse, though, since it keeps existing
 USF intact and adds yet another fund to allow one provider per place
 to provide subsidized Internet access.  I expect that it will usually
 be the ILEC, getting more money to compete with WISPs.

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  ionary Consulting              http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

[Charles Wu]

Here are my thoughts

What I think would be a good idea (both pro-competitive and reasonable) to all 
would be a capped competitive voucher system based on aggregate line count 

So, say for a given region/study area 10,000 households

To qualify for the voucher, you would have to deliver a minimum level of 
service (call it 4 Mb / 1 Mb) and fulfill certain statutory requirements like 
voice delivery, network neutrality / openness / etc...

Cap the total funding for the area, and let everyone access the line pot based 
on actual market dynamics

Everyone reports on Form 477, so the total number of lines is figured out

If a CLEC/WISP comes in and figures out a better/faster/cheaper way of 
delivering the service (assuming it meets the statutory requirements), then 
they should get the subsidy and the ILEC loses out

So, if the ILECs decide that they want to invest fiber everywhere and get all 
the customers back...good for them (but no guaranteed rate of return 
regulation, so they would have all the risks that normal businesses like us run 
into)

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Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

[Charles Wu]

For Q4 2010

North Central Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high cost support
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high cost support

-Charles


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative and North Central Telephone Cooperative. 
Twin Lakes headquarters is in Gainesboro, TN and North Central's is in 
Lafayette, TN. If you need NPA-NXX they are 931-268 and 615-666, of course 
there are more. I would be interested in what they receive in USF. Neither 
will sell DSL without a phone line too, so I am guessing it is getting 
subsidized extremely through USF.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


 At 2/13/2011 12:39 PM, you wrote:
I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much 
lower
than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran 
me
around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The 
telco
workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area,
but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think
something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they
making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they
just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much
they get in USF in my area.

 Who's your telco, where?  The USF numbers are public and I have
 downloaded some fairly recent ones.

 Coops sometimes do give back their excess revenues to members; this
 essentially reduces the net price to something much less than urban
 customers pay for their own service... in effect they're also paying
 for the coop's service.

 Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is
  allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for
  voice.  They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx)
  or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder
  to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they
  already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP.  Check out
  Border to Border in Texas.  So USF does fund broadband; it just does
  it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with
  subsidy money.  The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not
  *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how
  much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet?  Thanks to this
  policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than
  unsubsidized Bells.

This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every
day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE
every company getting funding from the government or USF to either 
separate
their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their
ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a
competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to
the Computer Inquiries.

 I sure agree on that!  But then I think the Computer Inquiries should
 apply to all ILECs, permanently.

Nice explanation Fred.

 Thanks.

Scottie

- Original Message -
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


  First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
  it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
  didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
  source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
  of subsidy money to rural states.
 
  USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
  uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
  switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
  call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
  explicit cash subsidies.
 
  Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
  Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
  High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
  money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
  rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
  costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
  the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
  them hold down the rate.
 
  But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
  study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
  (historic, pre-merger) telephone

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A Cruzio employee kindly provided me with the following information
regarding their peering and connectivity. I pasted it below (with
permission) because I thought it might be of use to others:

Cruzio maintains a backbone of wireless points of presence (POP) on
various mountain tops overlooking the Monterey Bay, South
San Francisco Bay, and Silicon Valley Regions.

Cruzio wireless POPs are present on Mount Umunhum, Mount Allison,
Loma Prieta and Black Mountain to name a few.

Cruzio wireless POPs are fed from the Equinix San Jose facility. At
Equinix, Cruzio is cross connected into a peering exchange to an
aggregate of content providers which include Google, You Tube and
several others. Non-peered connectivity is provided by Above.net who is
also colocated in that facility.

Cruzio leases dark fiber on the cable built and owned by Sunesys,
which is also used by UCSC. This fiber cable links the Cruzio facility
at 877 Cedar Street in downtown Santa Cruz with the Level 3 Sunnyvale
facility 46 miles away. Connectivity to the Internet is provided by
Level 3 and Cogent.

A high-speed/high-bandwidth wireless link connects the Cruzio 877 Cedar
facility with the Equinix San Jose facility via Mount Umunhum to provide
a wireless failover to the fiber in event of a fiber outage.

Cruzio wholesales ATT DSL. All DSL traffic is aggregated over ATT
fiber to the 200 Paul Avenue facility where it is connected to the
Internet through a variety of providers.

While the fiber and new data center are being turned up and tested,
Cruzio hosted servers remain connected over ATT fiber to the he.net
Fremont 1 facility.
Connectivity to the Internet is through he.net, who are themselves
connected and peered to multiple Tier 1 providers.

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[WISPA] Weird ubnt flash issue

[Charles N Wyble]

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Ok I got to tftp via the reset switch and flashed open mesh firmware on
one ns2. It's happy.

Attempts to flash it to another 3 ns2 boxes fail. I can tftp the image
up. The LEDs blink. Then it reboots, I get a few

ARP, Request who-has 0.0.0.0 tell 0.0.0.0

then nothing.

Anyone seen this before?


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

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On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
 Comments inline.
 
 jack
 
 
 On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

 Some serious enforcement is in order.  Major fines for repeated
 offense...  $100K or more for 2nd offense...
 Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions against 
 offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this is a 
 serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place.

Is that covered at http://fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html or
http://fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ ?

 I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS
 and database...
 Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The disadvantage 
 is 
 that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of 
 operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system.

Very true.

 What is going on with the 3.65 stuff?  I still think we need some kind
 of license enforcement there...

Why?

 WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was 
 agreed 
 that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.) is 
 needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand.

Hmmm. Interesting. That's news to me. Where does one see info about the
violations? Is it happening on private lists or something? I don't
recall any complaints on the WISPA general list about it.

 There are
 also more and more illegal (unlicensed) bootleggers using the band. One 
 solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate between 
 different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix.

H. Well illegal/unlicensed use is a clear enforcement action and
should be referred to the FCC EB. Coordination among entities... as I
recall that was very vague in the RO.


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Re: [WISPA] Redboot help

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Is it just me, or are the reset switches on the ns2 just about worthless?

Anyone here got mesh over wifi working on an ns2? Looks like I'm going
to have to go that route, as opposed to flashing with open mesh.

Or is there a secret to making the reset switch work? Not sure why UBNT
disables network access to redboot on the unit. That makes things really
really difficult to work with.

Then when I try to change it, I get the configs not validating error.

On 02/04/2011 02:51 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 It should not matter. IIRC when the device boots it is pre-insert firmware
 here.
 
 ryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
 Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:17 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redboot help
 
 You did this from stock ubnt firmware? Or post openwrt flash? Or...
 
 
 
 On 02/04/2011 02:09 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 The NS2s can be odd.. You have to pretty much keep booting them while 
 running the open-mesh-flash.exe app from a windoze machine.
 
 I sometimes have to reboot the NS2 3 or 4 times to get it happy.
 
 ryan
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
 Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Redboot help
 
 Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a
 nanostation2?
 Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed
 
 fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1
 
 and now I get
 
 Config verification failed
 
 anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration.
 
 Help!
 
 I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to 
 flash them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to 
 get a mesh operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and 
 can't get it working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go.
 
 And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface 
 cause it only accepts the .trx files.
 
 Can anyone help?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
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[WISPA] Redboot help

[Charles N Wyble]

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Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a
nanostation2? Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed

fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1

and now I get

Config verification failed

anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration.

Help!

I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to
flash them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to get
a mesh operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and can't
get it working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go.

And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface
cause it only accepts the .trx files.

Can anyone help?

Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Redboot help

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You did this from stock ubnt firmware? Or post openwrt flash? Or...



On 02/04/2011 02:09 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 The NS2s can be odd.. You have to pretty much keep booting them while
 running the open-mesh-flash.exe app from a windoze machine.
 
 I sometimes have to reboot the NS2 3 or 4 times to get it happy.
 
 ryan
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
 Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Redboot help
 
 Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a nanostation2?
 Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed
 
 fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1
 
 and now I get
 
 Config verification failed
 
 anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration.
 
 Help!
 
 I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to flash
 them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to get a mesh
 operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and can't get it
 working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go.
 
 And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface cause it
 only accepts the .trx files.
 
 Can anyone help?
 
 Thanks!
 

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Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers

[Charles Wu]

Before a large carrier will do business with you, a bunch of things need to be 
squared away - here's a checklist that we follow and present when marketing 
our towers

Required documents for Verizon, ATT, T-Mobile, ClearWire, Cricket, 
Lightsquared and Sprint to co-locate on an existing tower


1.   Title Report (less than 6 months old) with a memo from an attorney 
stating all mortgages, encumberances and potential conflicts with existing 
easements

2.   Phase 1 Environmental Site Assessment (less than 6-9 months old) 
performed by a licensed Environment Engineer

3.   Phase 2 Environmental Site Assessment (where required) including 
subsurface investigation by geotechnical boring drill and lab investigation of 
core samples

4.   FAA Determination including Survey with 1A letter performed by 
licensed surveyer

5.   FCC Filing, including all correct notices up to date with appropriate 
coordination as verified by 1A letter.

6.   Original lease.  All agreements must be provided to the potential 
tenant, and the tenant may require the tower owner to obtain any required 
sublease consent or additional space at the tower owner's sole cost and 
expense.  All leases must be properly notarized, signed and dated, and all 
exhibits must reflect the lease area and access route.

7.   Original Geotechnical Survey

8.   Original Tower Foundation and Structural drawings

9.   National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) checklist performed by a 
licensed environmental engineer and completion of the following compliance 
items, as required:

a.   Wetland determination and delination

b.  State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO) Letter of No Effect

c.   Tribal Historic Preservation Office Approval (THPO)

d.  Floodplain Determination

e.  Archeological Survey, including subsurface investigation and lab 
research

f.Environmental Impact Assessment filed with the FCC and evidence of 
the approval of that EIA is required before a tenant will co-locate on the tower

10.   Zoning Approval, including the specific Conditional Use Permit, Special 
Use Permit, Variance, and/or Ordinance citing approval with restrictions (if 
any) and any other zonging entitlements

11.   Building Permit Approval, including any stated restrictions for 
construction or future conditions on alteration of the structure

12.   No tenant will agree to sign a lease with a tower owner without the 
receipt of all relevant documentation, the physical structure being completed, 
the lack of existence of favored tower companies in the given search area 
(typically .75 - 1.5 miles in diameter), and the budget to build sites in a 
given location.


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers

I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty cell 
service.  I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers.  I have been 
successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile, but nobody 
else.  Does anyone have any contact information for these guys?

Regards,

Chuck



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Re: [WISPA] new list

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Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not
warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you
feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate
concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the
industry, then voice them.

Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done.
It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive
criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get
something done.

I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and
not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads
on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well.
I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous
products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and
called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG
list.

We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will
be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry.
Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of
the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist
media.

I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and
value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind
that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has
provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They
have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry
growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs,
whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of
time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and
not been afraid to get their hands dirty.

I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've
been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta.

I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week

On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 To be entirely neutral.  We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example.
 We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA.  Probably not the
 best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 
 Not sure of the reason for this Post here.  Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a
 free non-vendor specific list?  Is this a post to pull users from WISPA?

 Steve Barnes


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] new list

 Hi,

 In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has
 been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not
 tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server,
 with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship
 will ever be asked by this new list.

 To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with
 subscribe in the subject field.

 We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola,
 Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor neutral list that
 allows discussion of any product (whether good or bad) so that we can all
 learn.

 __
 Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc



 
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Re: [WISPA] new list

[Charles N Wyble]

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H. The legalities of monetizing that write up are sketchy. :) A good
idea though. I've considered subscribing to a bunch more lists and
having some automated systems pick out anything interesting.

I follow WISPA/NANOG. A few local lists (amazing how diverse socal/los
angeles tech is). I was on c-nsp but that was crazy.

On 01/24/2011 10:32 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + 
 c-nsp + j-nsp).  I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and 
 ditch the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup.  Then I'm going to 
 monetize the writeup.  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list

 LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history
 repeats itself.

 I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one
 sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up
 the Part-15 lists.

 Then it went from there to WISPA.

 Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list.

 Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe
 in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's 
 hard
 to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in
 responses.

 Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list.

 -- Original Message --
 From: support supp...@nitline.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600

 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box
 think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting
 angry



 On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
 
 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not
 warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you
 feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate
 concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the
 industry, then voice them.
 
 Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done.
 It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive
 criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get
 something done.
 
 I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and
 not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads
 on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well.
 I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous
 products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and
 called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG
 list.
 
 We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will
 be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry.
 Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of
 the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist
 media.
 
 I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and
 value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind
 that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has
 provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They
 have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the
 industry
 growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs,
 whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of
 time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made,
 and
 not been afraid to get their hands dirty.
 
 I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've
 been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta.
 
 I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week
 
 On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 To be entirely neutral.  We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for
 example.
 We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA.  Probably not the
 best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com
 wrote:

 Not sure of the reason for this Post here.  Isn't the wireless@wispa.org
 a
 free non-vendor specific list?  Is this a post to pull users from WISPA?

 Steve Barnes


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] new list

 Hi,

 In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list 
 has
 been created called Wireless Users

Re: [WISPA] new list

[Charles N Wyble]

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On 01/24/2011 10:40 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:
 We have tried to learn from others mistakes in the past and adjust our
 mailing list rules to our subscriber's requests as necessary. 

Of course. This is the sign of a mature and well run community.


 There is
 unfortunately a segment of our industry that believes WISPA is a vendor and
 we are out to sell memberships (get in their pocketbook). 

That's unfortunate.

 It almost offends
 me in a way as I look at all of the volunteer efforts from across the
 country that has gone into building our trade association.  

Yes. I'm offended by it as well.

The way I look
 at it, WISPA is not selling memberships; it is seeking support for all of
 the hard work and legal expenses that are incurred on behalf of the
 industry.

Absolutely. Also WISPA operates this very list free of charge. It has a
charter to keep things civil and productive. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER LARGE
MAILING LIST OUT THERE!! I have no problems with the charter, and would
be concerned if you didn't have one.

 The difference being, that most of the
 accomplishments of WISPA are still accomplished by volunteer efforts with
 the exception of legal and administrative functions such as my position,
 hosting the webpages and accounting functions.  


Exactly. This is the same as any other trade organization/association.

 
  
 

 However, I will continue to work diligently to develop programs, discounts,
 marketing ideas and other things that potential members will see as tangible
 benefits above and beyond the intangible lobbying and educational work that
 we already do.

Well I have to disagree. I think the lobbying/educational work is very
tangible. It's produced amazing end products that everyone in the
industry benefits from. :)

  To all those that support WISPAThank you very much!  Our
 voice is getting louder and more meaningful with every new member that joins
 our efforts.  Join WISPA http://join.wispa.org/   As a team, we can
 accomplish much, as individuals, we might as well through the towel in.

I couldn't have said it better.
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Re: [WISPA] IPPay Code 012 Declines

[Charles Wu]

This is an issue that we are aware of and actively working to resolve - it is 
our goal to have a resolution for this in the next couple of months

-Charles

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] IPPay Code 012 Declines

I am wondering how many people out there are getting Code 012 Declines with 
their IPPay account?

We are using Platypus, and all of the C012 Declines are able to be processed 
through the Virtual Terminal.  Our customer calls the bank and is told, they 
are processing using an Adult Recurring Billing method, which is normally 
blocked on all accounts.  IPPay says that the new bank that acquired these 
cards is handling it wrong and does not have an ETA for a fix.  It has seemed 
to have happened with all Kroger MasterCards.  Having to go through and 
manually process these accounts is starting to get to be a pain in the a$$.  
Our customers do not want to change credit cards.

All of this seems like a crock, I know I am able to process them with 
AuthorizeNet automatic recurring billing.  Has anyone else figured out a 
workaround for this?

Regards,
Chuck



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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question

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On 01/19/2011 03:11 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

 
 No one is suggesting that we dont challenge big companies with vested 
 interests. I'm suggesting the opposite.
 I'm suggesting that we challenge big company spectrum hogs to give back 
 spectrum, if they can use innovative techniques to free it.

So this is like ipv4. Ask for huge swaths of space back. That doesn't
scale. It just delays the problem. Asking for spectrum back will help
for a while, but it won't be sufficient. We need to do the innovative
research/development and work with the FCC to get rules changed. People
don't give things back, it's a fact of life.

The innovation that results from scarcity, will ultimately flow back
into the large spectrum holders. Then hopefully they won't need more
spectrum, because they will be able to use what they have at a great
density.

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

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Don't feed the trolls.


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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

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On 01/13/2011 07:00 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
 I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, NSLM5's, 
 NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair if/when our 
 upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone else is already 
 doing it.


Interesting question. I'm hoping to provide ipv6 on my network very
soon. Currently only handing out ipv4.

I have my ubnt ns2 working as a hotspot on my roof. It bridges to my
wired network (cisco l2 switch and pfsense box). On it's own VLAN of
course.

So do I care about ubnt supporting ipv6? Will it not work in bridge
mode? I need to turn on v6 on the pfsense side, via an he.net tunnel
with prefix delegation and find out.

Anyone done this? On whatever l3 termination of choice
(pfsense/cisco/linux/mikrotik).

 
 Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm not 
 sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us on 
 IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time.
 
 Greg
 


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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 sample letter to grandfather earth satellite

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I would like that as well.

I chatted with a 3.65 gear vendor, and they said the telcos don't care.
It's the cable companies that do. Here in the Los Angeles area, I've
found that to be the case. The Sprint/ATT ground stations are up in the
Santa Monica mountains. Rolling out 3.65 service in LA/OC won't bother
them one bit. However the cable companies have lots of unidentified
ground stations, and have had issues with people utilizing 3.65 gear. So
they would only grant me PtP rights and not PtMP.

If anyone wants more details about operating 3.65 in Los Angeles feel
free to contact me off list. I plan to roll it out soon now that UBNT
has released some gear for it. :)



On 01/04/2011 10:45 AM, Ken Nye wrote:
 I was wondering if anybody has a letter they sent to the Grandfathered
 Earth Satellite stations to request a 3.65 waiver? I am in the SF bay
 area and I have a bunch of these stations in the area, and I want a well
 worded letter to send
 
  
 
 Thanks!!!
 
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Re: [WISPA] More Spectrum!!

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The pricing better come WAY WAY WAY down if multiple people can access
the same spectrum. The only way the current prices are justified is
because the access is exclusive.




On 12/30/2010 10:43 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Where do we start?
 
 - Jerry
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:26 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] More Spectrum!!
 
 Folks, here is the real opportunity that we need to be focusing on
  
 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/white-spaces-could-expand-beyond-unused-tv-spectrum.ars
  There may be no more important item for wisps to unite in their focus on 
 than this.   If we can start to use other white space spectrum - or even 
 scraps of licensed spectrum that are going unused - we will have all the 
 spectrum we need.
  Time to roll!
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Re: [WISPA] Fixed Orbit

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peeringdb.com perhaps.

On 12/30/2010 01:08 PM, Matt wrote:
 Are there any other sites similiar to fixedorbit.com to determine how
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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

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Why don't the two WISPS peer with each other? That seems like a much
better outcome to me. Coordinate all your gear together, go in together
on backhaul etc.

Form a strategic partnership.

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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

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On 12/20/2010 06:52 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 12/20/2010 07:56 PM, Jeromie wrote:
 While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed)
 wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would
 like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have a issue
 with. I, personally, would love to see the layer 1 and layer 2+ be
 forcably broken apart for wired isps (IE, if you are a ILEC, you must
 have a separate business entity run the 2+, with set prices for
 everyone who wants to be a layer 2+ entity on that layer 1 network)
 with wireless getting a mix of this (unlicensed is not bound to layer
 1/2+ split, with some licensed being (like cellular) and some licensed
 not being bound (like 3.65, sub 700) and opening more spectrum (that
 is a mix of bound and non-bound) and see where that takes us. Time to
 wake up and go pickup the kids.
 
 That's what I asked for too, separation of the ILEC services into 
 wholesale lower layers and multiple providers of unregulated upper 
 layers. 


You do realize that regulation and government action is required for
that to happen. I thought you didn't want any regulation at all?

Doesn't work.

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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

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On 12/20/2010 04:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed)
 wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would
 like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have a issue
 with. I, personally, would love to see the layer 1 and layer 2+ be
 forcably broken apart for wired isps (IE, if you are a ILEC, you must
 have a separate business entity run the 2+, with set prices for
 everyone who wants to be a layer 2+ entity on that layer 1 network)
 with wireless getting a mix of this (unlicensed is not bound to layer
 1/2+ split, with some licensed being (like cellular) and some licensed
 not being bound (like 3.65, sub 700) and opening more spectrum (that
 is a mix of bound and non-bound) and see where that takes us. Time to
 wake up and go pickup the kids.


Um.

so you want the big guys to have to play by certain rules (be dumb
pipes) but you wouldn't have to play by those rules as a small player?

Why shouldn't that regulation be applied to wisps as well? Why shouldn't
you have to share spectrum?

Let's realize we are all in this together and come up with workable
solutions. Let's be partners with the ISPs and not make it us vs them.

.

I have been doing a lot of thinking about how to make packet movement
(in particular backhaul) somewhat more fair. I already discussed peering
on the list in recent days.

Have folks been following the NBN rollout in Australlia? It leaves a
certain amount of rough edges on the implementation specifics (see the
AUSNOG mailing list archives for several very detailed discussions).
However it's a national l2 network. Pretty cool stuff.

See I'm a layer3 and above guy, and have targeted very specific areas
for my wireless deployment (currently in 4 locations in the greater
la/oc area). I'm deploying an advertising network and giving internet
access away. I'm going into areas that don't have a lot of existing
wifi, running heavily localized advertising driven hotspots. So I don't
have spectrum issues.

However I face the same problems as many wisps at layer3 and above
(namely getting bandwidth at a good price where I need it).

So what would folks like to see? Would you like to see a layer1/2
natural monopolie run as a municipal utility, that would run an open
access/co-op fiber network?

How many here participated in the broadband forum meetings that were
held prior to the Obama election? How many people here reached out to
those folks and requested exactly this? I know I did (I went to the Los
Angeles meeting).

Don't get mad, get even!!!

Hmmm... the above was a bit rambling... looks like rough pieces of a
mind map for a blog post. :)

Things to think about anyway.









 
 
 
 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:30 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 No, we LOST.   You see, once they have the power, they have the power.It
 is not a victory to be partially regulated, or to get partial exemption.

 I cannot imagine why industry is rolling over and playing dead for this.

 As far as I’m concerned it's come and arrest me, coppers and I will damn
 well NOT comply.

 And if we all did that.  They'd just give up.   But we're too chicken to
 stand up for ourselves, as a country, anymore, apparently.   I don't know
 when people forgot that according to the Constitution, we tell the
 government what to do and where to get off, not the other way around.

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Re: [WISPA] Peering, was Re: Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

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On 12/19/2010 1:48 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
 Inline

 On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Charles N Wyble
 char...@knownelement.com  wrote:
 All peering is good peering (until egos get involved).
 Peering with content providers may save you some money.
 Open peering with anyone sufficiently clued to have a ASN makes the
 internet and your provider community stronger.

Of course. Peering is very good across the board. My point was that more 
significant advantages come from access to content network peering. I 
didn't mean access networks shouldn't peer with each other.

 The level of effort is hopefully nothing more the a textbook templatized
 config that connects you to the fabric. The talent is in running the
 fabric.

 Agreed on a textbook template. Disagree that any talent is needed to
 run the fabric.
 Setup some basic port security on a L2 switch (one mac address, etc)
 and get rolling.
 You don't need route reflectors or anything fancy to get started.
 Actually, you don't even need a shared switch if there are only two
 participants.

Fair enough. A bit of skill is required to keep it running, recruit new 
participants, troubleshoot issues etc.  I've never built a peering 
fabric before, but plan to build one this year.

 Yeah it's a small subset for sure.
 In my experience if someone doesn't have the clue there are other ISP
 peeps in the area with clue and care to help.
 Perhaps our local small IX just has a good community.

Oh of course. I didn't mean to belittle folks. I was just commenting on 
the fact that good network folks are hard to find. :)

 We run ~5 Mbps on average with peaks over 50 Mbps.This is on a IX with
 15 participants, most of whom you've never heard of.
 We have people working from home with a VPN to work. Online backup
 with servers that consultants host with other local providers (and
 servers with us and clients on other providers), VoIP systems, video
 conferences with teaches from schools.
 All of these applications benefit from local peering.

Absolutely.  Peer early and often. :)


 Please, everyone, consider the locations you have in common with other
 providers.
 If you are in a datecenter or larger facility check out 
 http://www.peeringdb.com
 Peering will help more than it can hurt.

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Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

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On 12/16/2010 02:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
 ATT/Verizion/WISPS
 should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better
 rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere.

 This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you.

 
 Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option?
 
 L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont 
 let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings.
 So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is If we were to want to 
 interconnect Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or 
 would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and 
 meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small 
 local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into 
 paying the cost to interconnect.  Why shouldn't WISPs have peering 
 relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for 
 having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of 
 compinsation in peering?

Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer?
With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the
other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage
our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying
big boys won't let us in the sandbox doesn't work for me as an
operator. I like specifics.

That's something I'm hoping to do with socalwifi.net. I want to create a
WISP friendly carrier. Peer with me over a private AS and I'll peer with
all the other guys at various interconnection points. Or something like
that. I'm working with some top tier networking talent here in the
southland to build out the infrastructure.

In short I'm building my own middle mile. Of course the socal area is
full of carrier neutral interconnection points with wireless meet me
rooms. Other areas of the country not so much.



 
 Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for 
 sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk 
 about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will 
 occur?

Simple. The eyeball network and the content provider. Not the feds. Not
the FCC. A direct 1 to 1 relationship (or an open peering fabric).
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Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

[Charles N Wyble]

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On 12/16/2010 09:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 You wouldn't connect to NetFlix, but to LimeLight, Akamai, or Level3.

Sure. You are absolutely correct. Ideally you would connect to an open
peering fabric that has all these players on it. That way you don't need
to meet Akamai traffic commits, as they are already in a vast majority
of the exchanges.


 
 This is where multiple WISPs buying bandwidth in aggregate helps out.  

Absoultetly. This is one of the core tenants of socalwifi.net model.
Aggregation/collective bargaining power.


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Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

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On 12/16/2010 01:01 PM, jp wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:56:11AM -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote:
 Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer?
 With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the
 other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage
 our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying
 big boys won't let us in the sandbox doesn't work for me as an
 operator. I like specifics.
 
 I've peered in the past with an ISP because we both were part of a 
 statewide frame relay network and it was just the cost of a PVC to do 
 it. 

It's not about access networks peering. That's usually not worth the
effort for the reasons you outlined below. It's about peering with the
content provider networks.


 
 The current impediments to small ISPs peering are:
 1. BGP skills and hardware. It used to be the only reliable thing for 
 BGP was a big cisco decked out with overpriced ram. Now anyone can do 
 BGP private peering with a PC running MT/vyatta/linux or an 
 MT routerboard, or their cisco or their juniper. Still, few have BGP 
 experience to do this comfortably. 

The level of effort is hopefully nothing more the a textbook templatized
config that connects you to the fabric. The talent is in running the
fabric.

 
 You can get the talent in socal, but it's not nationwide. People could 
 hire Butch or someone on guru.com to setup bgp, but they like to have 
 the self sufficiency to DIY in many cases. I've probably met face to 
 face all the people in my state who are proven BGP skillful and it's not 
 a lot.

Yeah it's a small subset for sure.

 
 3. decreasing uplink costs. Used to be you'd do anything to save a 
 precious megabit and peering was one such thing. I had a satellite 
 receiver system for receive usenet to offload the bandwidth back in 
 97ish. Now it's just outsourced. We used to cache a lot more web traffic 
 too. Now it's helpful but not so important. If there were an occasional 
 megabit of traffic going to another local ISP, I wouldn't really 
 consider it worth the effort of peering. I would suspect most of the 
 traffic between WISPs is email and a little random p2p, and perhaps some 
 vpn activity between employees and businesses that use different service 
 providers. The peers despite the extreme minimalist financial investment 
 should be more reliable than the uplink to make good sense as well.

Again it's not about access networks. It's about content networks and
access networks.

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Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

[Charles N Wyble]

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On 12/14/2010 11:29 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Oldest trick in the book, attach a position to an ideological word that 
 people cant disagree with. Who can disagree with freedom.
 
 Little does the public know they are supporting a position that could reduce 
 freedom and possibly even destroy their freedom of choice, as they signon to 
 positition that will reduce speeds, increase costs, reduce investment, and 
 destroy small competitive providers. 
 
 Freedom really means no regulation, so providers can have the freedom to 
 build networks without unnecessary beurocracy and burdens.
 Freedom to allow people to build businesses based without strings attached.

Um no regulation? Really? So if I build out a large cable plant I
can charge whatever I want, deny access to people, sue anyone who tries
to compete into the ground, not upgrade my infrastructure and provide
best effort 911 service?

I know that many in the operations community oppose regulation, but it's
a two edged sword.


 
 Ironically, Google is one of the largest advocates of NEtNEutrality but yet 
 one of the largeset threats to freedom. NetNEutrality is best purposed to 
 stop abuse of power by those with market power. I'd argue Google has majority 
 market power beyond that of any single access provider. Google has more 
 eyeballs and and steers Internet traffic more than any other entity. 
 
 What would happen if we made a Save the Small Provider, the real Open 
 Internet or Vote Content Neutrality not NetNeutrality for an Open Internet 
 would it get a top indexing on search engines? Or would the Save the 
 INternet Pro NetNEutrality get the top Indexing? 
 
 Google has the power allow consumers to see the point of view of content 
 providers, but to prevent their access to view Access provider's point of 
 view.
 On a critical vote week like this week, Google has power to censor what 
 consumers can find and have access to.  What preventing Google from doing 
 that right now, and compromising our Free country?   

Google is an advertising company. A very successful one. Having done
extensive work in the advertising industry, I can tell you that
censorship is the least of your worries. The threats to freedom come
from the amount of information that is collected and collated on
individuals and used to target advertising.

Yes they possess extensive capabilities to support their distribution
channel. Yes that channel is getting more and more extensive on a
regular basis (search/maps/mail/mobile/tv).

They have an open peering policy. They actively encourage people to peer
with them and work out the best traffic engineering policies.

How many folks here have peered with google and built TE policies? I
know of at least one WISP that has. I have worked for organizations that
exchanged massive amounts of traffic with google/microsoft and other
large brands.

There is a massive amount of things that happen behind the scenes, when
you move from the access to distribution layer. Most people that speak
publicly in the operations community are at the access layer (running
eyeball networks). Very few people from the content
provider/distribution space speak publicly. I am limited in what I can
say, as I'm bound by various NDA. However I can say that the content
providers and eye ball networks are interested in working out a good
deal for everyone because of all the interdependencies in the digital
asset supply chain. (Comcast being the obvious exception).


Now I am of the impression that we need to have some regulation. It
needs to let us run our networks in the best way possible. That means
everything from traffic shaping on our customer facing links, to
whatever traffic engineering policies we deem necessary to improve the
bottom line.

Also WISPS do need to be recognized (at a national level) as wireline
replacement. We should not be lumped in with the JOKE that is mobile
broadband ^H^H^H toy broadband.

 
 What makes content providers a better steward of Freedom than Access 
 providers?

Take a look at the supply chain sometime. The market will dictate self
regulation. It's only when people like Comcast get greedy and have a
monopoly, that things get nasty. At that point it is my opinion that the
market rapidly steps in and shuts out that player. ATT/Verizion/WISPS
should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better
rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere.

This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you.

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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

[Charles N Wyble]

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I use Proxmox and love it.

OpenVZ is the way to go. It's an amazing piece of software. Combine it
with Proxmox and you get everything VmWare offers for free.

On 12/15/2010 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Historically, RHEL\CentOS have used Xen.  I'm not sure if any other 
 methods are working their way into current releases.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server

[Charles N Wyble]

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I'm deploying it into an OpenVZ container today. I saw folks online get
it to work (once they adjusted several quotas).

I will see if it works. :)

On 12/13/2010 06:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Doesn't work worth a darn in OpenVZ or KVM virtual environments.  Still 
 working on migrating containers around to free up a physical server to 
 try VMWare.  Should work on that as VMWare owns Zimbra.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Charles N Wyble]

I presume the wireless interface is fully operational on the customer 
system? It's not disabled, and can see other networks in the area?



On 11/22/2010 12:26 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
 Help.
 I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a
 customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list of
 available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
 Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine,
 customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop in
 and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them DOA
 seems unlikely, but ...
 I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved it
 to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same thing.
 Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
 Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these.
 I just setup the second one on the test bench.  It is working fine.
 Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should.
 What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3
 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless
 networks?



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Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Charles N Wyble]

On 11/02/2010 05:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:

 I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
 I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each
 with a single feed.  If anyone else has an x86-based distro they'd like
 to see performance on, let me know.

Yes. pfSense. I'm running that here for dhcp/dns/vpn and terminating 
VLANs. I would like to know it's performance for full BGP feeds.

 And thanks for all the responses.  The information has been very
 helpful.  Unfortunately, the conclusion I came to is I have no idea
 what I'm going to do.  Cisco = $$$ and MikroTik = coin flip.  Hopefully
 Vyatta lands somewhere in the middle.




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Re: [WISPA] Every email and website to be stored

[Charles N Wyble]

URL is broken the irony is thick. Lol.

Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:

Every email, phone call and website visit is to be recorded and stored
after 
the Coalition Government revived controversial Big Brother snooping
plans. It 
will allow security services and the police to spy on the activities of
every 
Briton who uses a phone or the internet. Moves to make every
communications 
provider store details for at least a year will be unveiled later this
year 
sparking fresh fears over a return of the surveillance state,,,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8075563/Every-email-and-website-to-be-stored.html




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Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks
Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities
since 1993
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Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)

[Charles N Wyble]

Kurt,

The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is easily findable 
in the white pages as well.

I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his business too 
much with your post here. 

Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run
things
completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about
customer
service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just leave a
message and hope they call you back if they feel like it.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)

Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I
have
never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue.



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Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)

I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. 

I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I
placed an
order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like
$350 or
so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the
RB600
and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried
sending
an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was
just
an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried
calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple
messages and never got a return call. 

If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant
charge
back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've never
placed
an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports

Suggested alternates :-

 
http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a-
CAT5.html


http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx
http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f

http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449

Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom


On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
 POE Injectors

 I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light
 would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a
bonus

 I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the
 shields) to each other or to power ground as well.

 I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green
lights
 but everybody shows them out of stock.

 Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They
are
 going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v

 Thanks

 Scott Carullo
 Technical Operations
 855-FLSPEED x102








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Re: [WISPA] Every email and website to be stored

[Charles N Wyble]

Yeah. I got to it via /. 

Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Worked on my phone.
On Oct 21, 2010 9:30 AM, Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.ca wrote:
 URL worked here.

 Al

 -- At 11:44 PM 10/20/2010 -0700, Charles N Wyble wrote: ---


URL is broken the irony is thick. Lol.

Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:

 Every email, phone call and website visit is to be recorded and
stored
 after

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8075563/Every-email-and
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Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)

[Charles N Wyble]

Or its a smear campaign that doesn't hold water.

I've seen that a lot on this list. Usually I stay out of it, but this time I 
had to speak up to defend a friend and locally (to me anyway) run company. 

As evidenced by the reply no real effort was made by the op to resolve the 
issue. Its easier to just write a nasty email to a professional association 
list. 

Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

It's posts like these that keep a company honest.  I wouldn't think
that he
damaged their credibility maliciously if what he has stated is
accurate.
You shouldn't have to dig around to find information or contact info on
a
company like that.

Regards,
Chuck


On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Charles N Wyble
char...@knownelement.comwrote:

 Kurt,

 The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is
easily
 findable in the white pages as well.

 I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his
business
 too much with your post here.

 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run
 things
 completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about
 customer
 service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just
leave a
 message and hope they call you back if they feel like it.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
 
 Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and
I
 have
 never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM
 To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
 
 I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com.
 
 I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I
 placed an
 order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like
 $350 or
 so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the
 RB600
 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried
 sending
 an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site,
was
 just
 an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I
tried
 calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple
 messages and never got a return call.
 
 If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a
merchant
 charge
 back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've
never
 placed
 an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM
 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports
 
 Suggested alternates :-
 
 
 

http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a-
 CAT5.html
 
 
 http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx
 http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f
 
 http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449
 
 Regards
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
  POE Injectors
 
  I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power
light
  would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection
a
 bonus
 
  I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the
  shields) to each other or to power ground as well.
 
  I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green
 lights
  but everybody shows them out of stock.
 
  Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They
 are
  going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v
 
  Thanks
 
  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102
 
 
 
 
 
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?

[Charles N Wyble]

 Brian,

I think this is a wonderful idea. :)


On 10/11/2010 07:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:


I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP 
National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the 
coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who 
participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative 
request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent 
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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

[Charles n wyble]

I agree. Lots of options. I suggest getting a list of who is in the meet me 
room at your closest carrier hotel. That's how I found a couple of fiber 
providers I didnt know about (socal Edison and Burbank dwp ). Some hotels have 
wireless meet me rooms for backhaul. 

Any way to backhaul from a carrier neutral pop over a wifi link or 3? I'm 
thinking a one time capex investment of say 1k (ubnt gear, solar backup, 
installation grounding, shieled cable) you could save a lot of opex every 
month. You would have a rental and cross connect fee per month of course. 

Actually it doesn't even have to be carrier neutral. Ive been surprised how 
many places offer colocation on towers. Att and tmobile have comprehensive info 
online. Lots of other fiber providers have facilities you can rent some tower 
space at. 

Wireless local loop seems to be the way to go. Carriers seem to be embracing it 
as a revenue stream. Might as well get something instead of nothing.

Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

Legacy loops (DS3/OC3) are some of the most expensive local loop 
transport circuits.
There is no single way to find an alternate / less expensive local loop 
transport.

The amount of options greatly varies on exactly where you are. It could 
be an alternate CLEC, Local Cable Company, Fiber Division of local Power 
Company, etc.


If you send me (off list) the address of where you are, I may be able to 
suggest some alternate's.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 10/4/2010 11:56 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
 Thanks for your replies everyone, there's good feedback in this thread.

 Regarding Faisal's comment:

 Additionally, if you are paying in the range of $1500 to $3000, then
 it would also be worth-while to consider purchasing a 'Gig E'
 transport to a Carrier Neutral Faclility ( eg. 56 Marrietta in ATL, or
 Dallas, or VA etc), and then picking up Bandwidth of your choice
 either directly or in-directly)

 I am paying above that range, but most of it is for the local loop of
 our 20 meg fractional DS-3. Who would I go to to get a circuit as you
 describe, surely it would have to be my local phone company who is
 already charging me a lot more money for a lot less circuit? How can I
 get around this?

 Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 10/04/2010 12:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
 What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
 asks what you are paying right now.

Hmmm. I've never been asked that. Usually they give me a rough quote 
right on the phone for 1/2/5/7 year contract length. Usually I'll say 
something like oh that's in the ballpark of what other vendors are 
giving me.

   Do you tell them, and if you do,
 won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?

I wouldn't tell them. I would say it's none of their business.

 Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
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[WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Charles n wyble]

Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host one.

I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over and 
over. :)

Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Charles n wyble]

You make an excellent point. I will join wispa in the next few weeks and 
contribute to the private wiki.

Its certainly a well spent investment.  Now that I'm in the process of Fielding 
the initial access points for my wisp its time for me to join up. :)

Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

Charles,

WISPA has a wiki open to members only.  We felt we needed a secure place for
secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that
having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new
competition to enter the marketplace.  Are you sure you want to make it
public?  Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in
making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision.  I doubt if the members who
invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate giving away the knowledge
base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides
they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ.

I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the
possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested
much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where
they are today.  

The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join
WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye.  It seems
like a very small investment to make for the insurance of knowing that our
hard work isn't subsidizing competition.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
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WISPA
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866-317-2851 WISPA Office
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 Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
 
 Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to
 host one.
 
 I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads
 over and over. :)
 
 Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 08:40 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
 There is no staking your claim. I pushed for that as part of a
 spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly.

Well isn't this what whitespaces is supposed to prevent? Large amounts 
of exclusive spectrum already exists and is owned by monopolies. Now I 
think that licensed lite would be good. The FCC licensing system can 
facilitate coordination among providers. Maybe we can get that in 
whitespace ro 3.0? :)

 We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we
 did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building
 broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your
 channel space in your coverage area.

Hmmm. So if the big money comes in and just buys up a bunch of licenses 
then what? You have to remember that the rules are a double edged sword. 
Anything that might help us protect against competition, can also be 
used by others to lock us out. Not a level playing field.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

 On 09/25/2010 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy?



I'll be rolling this out very soon. I have a Ubiquity ns2, a linksys 
wrt54gl and two custom access points (based on nanostation). I plan to 
mesh them all and host a few different ssid/vlan. I'll post back with 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 So much easier on Mikrotik.  I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine
 forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality.

LOL.

Check out http://netshe.stasoft.net/node/28#main_features (I can't seem 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 11:20 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 I will need to check into VLAN support.

ifconfig eth0.x might do the trick.

http://wiki.openwrt.org/oldwiki/openwrtdocs/networkinterfaces

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 10:11 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
 wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
 ifconfig ath1 up
 iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid

 add encryption and ect with iwconifg


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 11:58 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
 This is for a public WiFi network that includes SSIDs for various agencies. 
 Each agency's traffic is on it's own VLAN and terminates in different 
 locations:
 - Public WiFi
 - City Offices
 - PD
 - Sherriff
 - County Fire
 - County Offices
 - Management Network

Yeah I'm building something similiar to that:

corporate prod network
corporate guest network
customer network
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Charles N Wyble]

  Awesome.

It will definitely be prominently featured in the FAQ. :)

On 09/27/2010 12:11 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
 I am working on a new Google Earth file with the TV contours that will be
 available. Have all the channels mapped, just looking to see if I can easily
 add other items like the border buffer areas and anything else that needs
 protecting.



 Thank You,
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 www.Broadband-Mapping.com


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 Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

 Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host
 one.

 I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over
 and over. :)

 Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

[Charles N Wyble]

  You have to hit show incumbents. If you just hit enter after putting 
in an address it doesn't show anything. The submit action appears to be 
the find address button which just finds you on the map.



On 9/25/2010 1:52 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
 search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
 wrong?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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[WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

[Charles N Wyble]

  http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/

Kind of cool I think...



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[WISPA] Whitespaces

[Charles n wyble]

Meeting is very soon. I'm jazzed. You all watching it live? I have a client 
today so won't be able to give it my full attention. Looking forward to a 
positive ruling!!!

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Re: [WISPA] TVWS

[Charles N Wyble]

 So is there going to be a new report and order published?

If so any idea on when it will be released?

On 09/23/2010 08:54 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:


I'm sure we will have much more detail in the coming 24 hours.

Notes I took:

No Spectrum Sensing mandated, but further development is encouraged

Geo-location Database to be developed in the next few months

Two channels reserved for microphone use

Large users of microphones can apply for temporary license and 
inclusion in the Geo-location database


Backhaul use will be further analyzed in the coming months.

No mention of antenna heights in this oral proceeding

Commissioners recognize the value proposition that unlicensed spectrum 
presents to economic development for US Manufacturers, integrators and 
end users.  I believe I heard mention of an estimated 9 billion dollar 
industry being borne from this decision.


Overall, the WISPA position is in line with most of the results.  Only 
time will tell on the minute details of the final order as it is 
released to the public.


Respectfully,

*Rick Harnish*

Executive Director

WISPA

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866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

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*From:* motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Dylan Bouterse

*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM
*To:* motor...@afmug.com
*Subject:* RE: [Motorola II] TVWS

I'm confused too. Sounded like a few people going through an intro and 
then they all voted for it. Maybe somebody who knows what actually 
happened in that short 30 minutes could explain? J


Dylan

*From:* motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:13 AM
*To:* motor...@afmug.com
*Subject:* [Motorola II] TVWS

SO what we did get? Only the removal of spectrum sensing?

Gino A. Villarini

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Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

[Charles N Wyble]

 Hmm... looks like we need to keep up the good fight:

Finally, it is important that we address additional proposals to set aside TV 
channels in rural areas
for fixed licensed backhaul in the very near future.  The ability of both new 
and incumbent wireless
providers to provide 4G wireless services ubiquitously is dependent upon a 
robust wireless infrastructure
that is too often lacking in rural areas.







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Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

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 in the majority of 
cases, we also recognize petitioners' concerns about the increased 
potential for interference in instances where a fixed TV bands 
device antenna is located on a local geographic high point such as a 
hill or mountain.130 In such cases, the distance at which a TV bands 
device signal could propagate would be significantly increased, thus 
increasing the potential for interference to authorized operations 
in the TV bands. We therefore conclude that it is necessary to 
modify our rules to limit the antenna HAAT of a fixed device as well 
as its antenna height above ground. In considering a limit for 
antenna HAAT, we need to balance the concerns for long range 
propagation from high points against the typical variability of 
ground height that occurs in areas where there are significant local 
high points – we do not want to preclude fixed devices from a large 
number of sites in areas where there are rolling hills or a large 
number of relatively high points that do not generally provide open, 
line-of-sight paths for propagation over long distances. We find 
that limiting the fixed device antenna HAAT to 106 meters (350 
feet), as calculated by the TV bands database, provides an 
appropriate balance of these concerns. We will therefore restrict 
fixed TV bands devices from operating at locations where the HAAT of 
the ground is greater than 76 meters; this will allow use of an 
antenna at a height of up to 30 meters above ground level to provide 
an antenna HAAT of 106 meters. Accordingly, we are specifying that a 
fixed TV bands device antenna may not be located at a site where the 
ground HAAT is greater than 75 meters (246 feet). The ground HAAT is 
to be calculated by the TV bands database using computational 
software employing the methodology in Section 73.684(d) of the rules 
to ensure that fixed devices comply with this requirement.

130 The antenna height above ground is the distance from the antenna 
center of radiation to the actual ground directly below the antenna. 
To calculate the antenna height above average terrain (HAAT), the 
average elevation of the surrounding terrain above mean sea level 
must be determined along at least 8 evenly spaced radials at 
distances from 3 to 16 km from the transmitter site. The HAAT is the 
difference between the antenna height above mean sea level (the 
antenna height above ground plus the site elevation) and the average 
elevation of the surrounding terrain.

67. In reexamining this issue, we also note that the rules currently 
do not indicate that fixed device antenna heights must be provided 
to the database for use in determining available channels. It was 
clearly the Commission's intent that fixed devices include their 
height when querying the database because the available channels for 
fixed devices cannot be determined without this information.131 We 
are therefore modifying Sections 15.711(b)(3) and 15.713(f)(3) to 
indicate that fixed devices must submit their antenna height above 
ground to the database.

68. We continue to decline to establish height limits for 
personal/portable devices. As the Commission stated in the Second 
Report and Order, there is no practical way to enforce such limits, 
and such limits are not necessary due to the different technical and 
operational characteristics of personal/portable devices.

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Re: [WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz

[Charles N Wyble]

  SIP app on Android or iPhone?

On 09/22/2010 10:09 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 I am looking for a Wireless VOIP Phone that my installers could have to use 
 out at customers.  What would be a clincher is if it had the ability to also 
 do 10Mhz Channels so when at a tower they could use it.  Some of our towers 
 are very rural and their cell phones don't work well.  Any recommendations.

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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

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Re: [WISPA] Off Topic Challenge (Regular Expression)

[Charles N Wyble]

 On 9/14/2010 8:57 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:
I receive the following back from a web request a custom application 
makes.  I need some regular expressions that tear it apart into its 
individual data fields.  Everything between the equal lines is an 
actual response sample.  I need the name, number, address, city, state 
and zip pulled from the entire text output - each with one regular 
expression.  I'm sure there is some talented people out there that can 
do this in a few minutes.  I figured I'd be lazy and ask before I 
spent hours trial and erroring.


 Thanks for your assistance and time


Vitelity Communications API. Unauthorized access prohibited. All 
commands are logged along with IP and username.


x[[name=BREVARD WIRELESS
number=3212051100
address=123 WIRELESS DR
city=ROCKLEDGE
state=FL
zip=32955[[x
If it's on Linux just shell out to awk via a system call and assign each 
response to a variable (probably inside an array):


char...@john:~$ cat testin2
[name=blah
number=11
address=1 a b c

char...@john:~$ cat testin2 | awk -F = '{print $2}'
blah
11
1 a b c


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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Services with XO, L3 or Global Crossing

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

We deal direct with L3 and XO - what do you want to know?

-Charles

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:20 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] VoIP Services with XO, L3 or Global Crossing

If any of you are dealing direct with any of the 3 mentioned carriers for VoIP 
services?

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
877-804-3001 x102

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Services with XO, L3 or Global Crossing

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

 I think L3 standard is $25k / month or something…

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jon Auer
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP Services with XO, L3 or Global Crossing


Direct?
What kind of commit did they require?


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Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page

[Charles N Wyble]

I'll be happy to take Southern California.

Not currently a WISPA member, but hope to become one very soon. I've 
been able to have a fairly healthy discussion with small groups of 
people from the public list. Jack Unger lives not too far from me.

Please let me know how I can assist.

Rick Harnish wrote:

 Here is the new webpage resource I am currently working on in my spare 
 time.  http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2867.  I am still looking for 
 additional volunteers to be a WISPA State Coordinator for the states 
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Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page

[Charles N Wyble]

Sorry. That was supposed to be off list. :(



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[WISPA] More BTOP/BIP

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Word on the street is that there are a few more award announcements coming out 
tomorrow...

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

We worked with a bunch of Indian tribes in the Grand Canyon several years back 
- we learned that you shouldn't give them terms, cause if they don't pay, since 
they're a sovereign nation, you can't sue them...your only recourse is declare 
war

-Charles

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To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com
Cc: 'A Goldman'
Subject: [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is 
hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections 
International).  Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well.  Between 
now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have 
worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them.  Part 
of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with 
the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's 
experiences.  NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and 
collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private 
partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have 
a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects.

If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in 
the next week.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Executive Director
WISPA
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Re: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

We do

We brand it under MitoTec - https://www.mitotec.com

What do you want to know?

-Charles

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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:12 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service

   Is anyone providing desktop virtualization as a service to their clients?  
If so, what products?  We are looking for a solution where a client has a dumb 
terminal and accesses the managed OS over their network connection into the 
cloud.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service - Correction

[Charles Wu (CTI)]

Misspelling in web link: http://www.mitotec.com (removed s)

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Charles Wu (CTI)
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service

We do

We brand it under MitoTec - https://www.mitotec.com

What do you want to know?

-Charles

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Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Desktop Virtualization as a Service

   Is anyone providing desktop virtualization as a service to their clients?  
If so, what products?  We are looking for a solution where a client has a dumb 
terminal and accesses the managed OS over their network connection into the 
cloud.

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Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

[Charles Wu]

A few comments / thoughts

1. From our experience doing shows, the 500 mile radius drive in crowd will 
wait until the last possible minute to book - heck, many will decide the day 
before whether or not they can attend - in addition, we've found that almost 
30-40% of your sign-ups will come in the 2 weeks leading up to the actual show 
date

2. You need to SPAM / harass more -- people are busy, and stuff comes up, and 
it's easy to forget when there are more pressing things to take care of 
(lightening, bills, new tower, etc)

3. You need to go about creating more *buzz* -- right now, there's nothing 
absolutely compelling that's going to get everyone to go (this is nothing 
against this show, but this lack of compelling stuff is what the ISPCON guys 
had been complaining about for the last 3-4 years before they shut that down)

4. This ties in with the earlier point, but in general, the most valuable 
aspect of a show, the networking, has been undone by the growth of the 
Internet, aka, this listserv, has made access to information, networking, and 
knowledge so readily available that the value of networking at the show has 
diminished (e.g., 10 years ago, the networking was a *must go* because people 
would try to cram the equivalent of 6 months worth of listserv discussion into 
those 3 days) -- compare that to today where someone will post a show update on 
the listserv within 30 seconds of that announcement -- kinda devalues the 
effort of actually going to the show

Hope this helps

-Charles

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Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 2:28 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

Members and WISP followers,

 

We would like to better understand some of the challenges that many of you
face on a daily basis as we continue to fine tune the Regional Meeting
Agenda.  As you know the 1st Regional Meeting is scheduled for July 21st and
22nd in St. Louis. We have been pleasantly surprised at the response we have
received from vendors in our industry in committing to exhibit at our
Regional Meeting.  

 

One thing we have noticed during the signup period is that many WISPs that
are attending are traveling long distances to come to St. Louis in the first
stages of signup.  We originally picked St. Louis because of its central
location in the US and because there are a tremendous amount of WISP
companies throughout the Central US.  We really anticipated that 70% of our
attendees at this meeting would come from a 500 mile radius from St. Louis.
This does not seem to be the case and we find ourselves wondering why this
to be the case.

 

My first inclination is to blame it on weather.  I realize that weather in
the Central US has been extremely volatile this summer with persistent
storms continually moving across the region.  I am asking if this is really
the reason preventing many Midwestern WISPs from signing up for this meeting
or not.  If it is something else, I would like to investigate further.  We
believe it is our obligation to the Vendors who have committed staff, money
and resources to attend the meeting, that we ask these tough questions.  

 

Our goal and the budget for the RM are based on a count of 200 attendees. We
are pretty sure we will reach this goal but if we are not going to get
there, we need to start preparing now.  As you may or may not know, we do
have a price increase of $50 per attendee beginning on July 1st.  It would
be silly of me not to point this out to any prospective attendees.  

 

This week, we were able to negotiate a much nicer hotel and meeting
facilities at the Renaissance Hotel in St. Louis.  The Renaissance actually
lowered its room rate surprisingly to $79 per night and threw in free
internet, parking and shuttle.  These concessions are saving our
participants nearly $60 from the previous hotel.  The catering and AV
budgets alone exceed the registration fees we are charging for members.

 

Therefore, I ask that everyone describe your intentions for attending or not
intending and send a brief description why.  If it is summer vacation, that
is fine, that is a risk we took when choosing these dates.  If it is summer
activities such as 4H fairs, baseball tournaments, or whatever, just let me
know.  If it is the weather and damage has not allowed you to book because
of excessive repair bills, that is also fine.  I am just trying to get a
feel on the pulse of the industry as we analyze the success of this meeting
and possibly plan the next one.  

 

If there are other challenges you wish to discuss, let me know.  I would
rather the Board be aware so that we can formulate policy and programs to
alleviate these concerns as we move forward.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

President

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org