Re: [WISPA] Cable Quote
Yes about right for riser rated- we use www.fiber.com- Don't forget to put lub in the conduit- that's a long run Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 5:16 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Cable Quote Does $410 sound about right for this? Fiber Jumper, 2-Count, Multi Mode, LC Connectors on both ends, 700' Length, Price ea *Includes Pulling Eye Spool -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Redline Support is awesome!
When things work really good you want others to know about it- We found our self in need of a new software key last night during an link upgrade (the key we had on file was incorrect). To make matters worse the link was down because one end was upgraded and the other wasn't without this corrected key. Well you all should know that an email to redline support at 10pm last night was quickly answered AND they got us the correct key within an hour. How many of the vendors in this space are working support calls AND SOLVING problems at 10pm for us? Thanks Redline! Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing. -Walt Disney WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink-45 Review
Thanks for the review Patrick. This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mar 13, 2008, at 10:11 PM, Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few weeks back I asked for opinions of the TrangoLink-45 radios. Since then I've installed two pairs and figured I'd share my experiences with the list. Physical design. The antenna and radio housing are solidly built and look like they will last. However, the mounting system is not as well designed as the rest of the radio. First, it is made of zinc plated steel, which I suspect will rust after a while. The mount uses a U- bolt to attach the radio to a pole. This is a problem because it makes it difficult to hold the radio in place and hand-tighten the nuts during installation. Since there is no hoist loop in the radio housing, you can't tie the radio off to the tower and use both hands to tighten the u-bolt. Also, the mount is specced to work with up to 3 diameter poles, but there is no way it will work on anything over 2. The telnet interface for radio configuration is simple and effective. Never having used a Trango radio before, it took me about 30 minutes to be completely comfortable with the radio setup and management interface. SNMP support looks good but I haven't gotten this set up on my network yet. One little plus is the PoE pinout and voltage is compatible with Canopy gear- this radio plugged right into a CTM-1m once the timing pulse was switched off. DFS. The radar avoidance DFS on these radios works by using a separate receiver circuit to compare the instantaneous received power level to a threshold. Anything coming into the receiver port over that threshold is considered a radar event and initiates a channel change. In my case, I had a weather radar tower less than a mile from one of the radios. The tower transmits with an EIRP of 6.9 GW (yes, gigawatts) at 5500 MHz. Emissions outside of the radar's licensed band were enough to trigger DFS sporadically throughout the 5.3 and 5.4 bands. Do a thorough spectrum analysis before deploying these radios or be prepared to spend a lot of time troubleshooting later. Performance. I haven't done thorough testing yet but I'm getting almost zero ARQ retransmissions and the highest modulation mode on my 1/2 mile link, so about 35 Mbps of TCP throughput sounds reasonable. Network issues. #1 is that there appears to be a bug with the new VLAN implementation for the radio's management interfaces. The radios won't respond to any traffic not originating outside of its subnet. My packet sniffer shows pings going into the unit from a machine on the local network segment and one on another network, and replies are only generated for the machine on the local network. Trango engineering is working on the problem. Second, I was getting ethernet errors when connected to a Cisco Catalyst 3548 switch. This was difficult to track down because there are no CRC error counters available in these radios and there is no way to hard-set Ethernet speed and duplex settings. Putting a cheapo netgear unmanaged switch between the Cisco and the Trango eliminated the errors. According to Trango, they cannot implement manual speed and duplex settings due to hardware limitations (wtf?). Anyway, sorry for the manuscript. All in all, decent set of radios for $2000. A little rough around the edges compared to the Orthogons I am used to, but the performance is better and you can't beat the price. Patrick --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives
Are you using Platypus now? You can have a Quickbooks database imported into Platypus if your wanting to start using Platypus- If your looking for something to replace Platypus then I cant help have not needed to do that. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:13 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Does anybody have experience with Plat and have a better alternative that integrates better with Quickbooks, yet is equally as powerful on the provisioning side? Dylan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives
In essence we do the same except we don't really need it broken down per customer- just import over to QuickBooks the totals for the different service types sold and then total deposits against that- any details about customer payments are in Platypus so we don't need to give customer service access to QuickBooks. So I guess the little bit of data we do manually each month is not that big a deal. Why do you need to move all that data from Platypus to QuickBooks anyhow? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives We have been using it and have a manual batch export from Plat to QuickBooks for the deposit but it doesn't break down per customer or payment. We're looking to streamline this process if possible. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Are you using Platypus now? You can have a Quickbooks database imported into Platypus if your wanting to start using Platypus- If your looking for something to replace Platypus then I cant help have not needed to do that. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:13 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Platypus alternatives Does anybody have experience with Plat and have a better alternative that integrates better with Quickbooks, yet is equally as powerful on the provisioning side? Dylan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TrangoLink Giga
Has anyone deployed these @ 18Ghz that is willing to give feedback? We are wondering if they are beyond the initial bugs and are stable enough for some important links. Any feedback would be great! Thanks. Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Numerous totally new WISP products - Alvarion WISP Webinar
Don't forget to add me to the list -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Numerous totally new WISP products - Alvarion WISP Webinar Hello folks, We are conducting a Webinar on February 13 at 12 noon - 1 PM Pacific where we will reveal What's New, What's Different at Alvarion regarding the vital WISP business in North America*. It is going to be an exciting year -- perhaps unlike any we've ever had in the unlicensed business. If you'd like to join, send me a direct e-mail OFFLIST and I'll send you the details. With respect to this list, only those who ping me will be activated to join the Webinar at the start time. It will be an hour well spent and I hope to see you there. * Please, this Webinar is limited to WISPs based in the U.S., Canada and the Caribbean. Respectfully, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. - Dear WISPA leaders, I was looking for the honchos to send a sponsored mail from us, but I have not seen it yet. So, I figured I drop the note and let Scriv bill me as appropriate (though a late Friday mail is less than ideal). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RADAR lockouts
I'm not sure the airport really means much- we have some 5.4Ghz deployed at several locations within 6 miles of Dulles and we have not seen anything yet. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] RADAR lockouts I have one link in particular that has been experiencing some automatic channel hopping due to radar type interference. This is on a Motorola Spectra link and the firmware has been upgraded as recently as yesterday to try and solve false radar reporting. It still jumped channels twice last night after the upgrade. This link is 40 miles from the nearest airport. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RADAR lockouts Steve Stroh wrote: I don't know the specifics, but all of the negotiations about changing the rules for 5.2 and adding 5.4 GHz was with the DOD, so I doubt those RADARs that you describe are the culprits. We see DFS issues that have LOS to airports. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Your best bet is to get the specific vendors tool from the vendor- they all usually have their own link budget tool. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jake VanDewater Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Does anyone have a standard link budget calculator they would recommend? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:15:59 -0500 CC: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Yes.. That would be easy. This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] What basic ROI do you target?
This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious about how divergent the responses may be. In your answer, include just the cost of the truck roll and CPE measured against any set-up and service initiation fees charged with the monthly subscription fee. Years ago, it was not uncommon for WISPs to say they need a 24-month basic return per subscriber. These days I suspect most will say under 9 months. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** *** *** *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). *** *** *** *** *** * *** *** *** *** *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** *** *** *** *** * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What basic ROI do you target?
That's what happens when you leave one out near children.. They can't help but play. I have to hide it :) This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's an IPhone for ya... all show and no go! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What basic ROI do you target? This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious about how divergent the responses may be. In your answer, include just the cost of the truck roll and CPE measured against any set-up and service initiation fees charged with the monthly subscription fee. Years ago, it was not uncommon for WISPs to say they need a 24-month basic return per subscriber. These days I suspect most will say under 9 months. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). *** *** *** *** *** *** ** *** *** *** *** *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** *** *** *** *** *** ** --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What basic ROI do you target?
Sorry- the answer is 6-7 months at most. We are closer to 2-3 months with the commet radios. We will likely get back to 6 months as we get more aggresive and lower our turn up fee. This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean 0 months Marty? :) Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What basic ROI do you target? This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious about how divergent the responses may be. In your answer, include just the cost of the truck roll and CPE measured against any set-up and service initiation fees charged with the monthly subscription fee. Years ago, it was not uncommon for WISPs to say they need a 24-month basic return per subscriber. These days I suspect most will say under 9 months. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** *** *** *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). *** *** *** *** *** * *** *** *** *** *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** *** *** *** *** * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). *** * *** *** *** *** *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). *** *** *** *** *** * *** *** *** *** *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** *** *** *** *** * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
RE: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???
One more question- I need 100Meg Ethernet (copper)as well- can you add a card for that or is there a combo that will do 10/100/1000 copper? MArfty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ??? Hi Dylan, I am not compensating for this. I am not sure that customers would be appreciative or understand. Also, the costs that you are referring to could possibly happen only when you are given a subpoenaed unless you are paying a monthly fee for a product you bought from a vendor. Martha Dylan Bouterse wrote: I guess from the lack of response nobody is compensating for their CALEA costs?...or maybe my email didn't make it to the list? Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) It was mentioned back during the CALEA hype that some had considered or did add a CALEA fee on their Internet Service bills. I'm curious if this was done and if it was successful (without upsetting customers or creating too many billing inquiries). Feel free to reply off list if you don't want to advertise your response to the general list. Dylan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone serve Houston TX?
-Original Message- From: Austin Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: 10/5/07 1:09 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Anyone serve Houston TX? http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPLocate.asp?ID=TX Austin W. Sales/Support Manager PowerCode, Inc. 801-701-6200 ext. 205 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone serve Houston TX? Looking for WISP serving Houston, TX... . Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Well once again I am going to make a statement- I have promised to be gone from here- and I basically am- But I check in once in a while and the AP1000 thread caught my eye- We have a lot of Ap2000's from YDI (30 or 40)- yes- all legal and purchased as a system from YDI. We have not bought any other wifi and don't deploy it anymore and we don't mix and match. As amps etc fail (or start leaking) we use our decommissioned stock. Hopefully we will have all of them out of the network some day. Anyhow, once again the thread goes back to the same subject- Operating legally and the back and forth pissing about this. I will tell you all that for SURE you will never get a large scale WISP to join, support and contribute to WISPA because of this issue. WISPA will always be a collection of renegades and small time operators who are known in the industry as do what you want/need rule breakers. More and more of you want to operate with licensed spectrum. At the same time, the Clearwires and Tower Streams are starting to use unlicensed as well- What is the difference between them and the typical WISP? The lines are blending even more now and it will be harder to explain to the industry and the FCC why WISP's want to operate this way but the grown ups can follow the rules? Ask yourself why companies like http://netbnr.net/loc.html?http://www.wcai.com/about_us.htm are not joining and contributing to WISPA? I joined with the intention of helping our industry but was almost immediately nailed with this whole legal operator issue when I spoke up. Not many of us are willing to do anything with WISPA until that position changes and it has to be at the EXEC BOARD level. It's very obvious to all that the board does not want to address the issue under the current rules. Save all the usual BS attacks for someone else-they don't bother me and they wont change a thing for WISPA and only serve to drive more operators away Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Ralph - I do believe Butch has a valid point here. If you are using an Orinoco AP with your own DIY setup (sounds like you are) - I hardly think you're legal. So why does the pot call the kettle black in this or any other instance ? JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it in with a UL approved Power cord too :-P I don't need to justify legality to allow someone to rationalize illegality. Sorry As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire you for some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified designs? WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble together and be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that. If they did, then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio Shack and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project. How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because they are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to ignore them. Does someone need to get fined and made an example of? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment snip I suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco AP? (radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna) Just for all our comfort, can you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using? snip -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007
RE: [WISPA] RE: Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any moreaftertomorrow
Patrick- Do you have an expected date for Alvarions 5.4 VL? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] RE: Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any moreaftertomorrow [sorry for the cross posting, but the points are worth being widely distributed] Paul, Alvarion's interpretation is the same as Trango's, such that IF you as an operator have the units in your inventory, then you can put them up without too much worry (though the FCC has not said this is okay or not okay, it is a plausible and reasonable conclusion). But resellers cannot sell existing stock; they will have to do a stock rotation back to the vendor. The point about grandfathered nature of deployed units is also correct, though it mean you CANNOT buy legacy CPE to populate existing sectors -- AUs that are up now cannot get more subscribers UNLESS the new units comply with the new DFS2 requirement (unless you as an operator have them on YOUR shelf already). All in all, it makes things a bit messy for a bit, but users of major vendor's products don't have too much to fear. I suspect the hardest hit will be those using systems whose vendor RD teams are not sophisticated enough to deal with the issue; those vendors will have to wait for their chip supplier to solve the challenge for them. I can't speak for backward compatibility of most of the vendors, but it looks like Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (and I believe Motorola Canopy also) users will have backward compatible. Regards, Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Gerstenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] Witching hour looms for 5.3 GHz - Can't buy any more aftertomorrow I did recieve an email that says, Trango is working on new products which employ DFS/TPC and will begin shipping these systems once FCC approval is obtained. And also that their new 45Mb PtP bridge will also support this. Didn't have any specifics on PtMP or backwards compatibility though. -Paul Here is the email in it's entirety: From: Trango Update [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: July 2, 2007 4:24:08 PM PDT Subject: REGULATORY ALERT We wanted to let you know that a new FCC regulation is going into effect July 20, 2007 that will affect operators' ability to deploy wireless equipment in the United States in the UNII band. As a result of this regulatory change, several Trango products are affected. The new FCC regulation impacts the sale of wireless equipment operating in the 5.25-5.35 GHz band. On July 20, 2007 only products that support radar detection as specified by the FCC in the 5.25-5.35 GHz band can be imported or marketed. Per our understanding, 5.3 GHz units which were purchased prior to July 20, 2007 can still be deployed and previously deployed networks that utilize 5.3 GHz are grandfathered in and do not require DFS upgrades after the FCC deadline. The following document on the FCC website describes the rules and has additional links: http:// www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/presentations/files/oct06/Oct_06- DFS_Equipment_Authorization-AL.pdf To comply with the FCC regulation, after July 20, 2007 Trango Broadband Wireless will no longer sell wireless systems in the United States which operate in the 5.25-5.35 GHz bands unless the system employs Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) and Transmit Power Control (TPC). Trango is working on new products which employ DFS/ TPC and will begin shipping these systems once FCC approval is obtained. Beginning July 20, 2007, the following Trango Broadband products will still be available but will only support operation in the 5.725 to 5.85 GHz ISM Band: M5830S-AP M5830S-AP-EXT M5830S-SU M5830S-SU-EXT Atlas5010-INT Atlas5010-EXT TLINK-10 TLINK-10-EXT This change will be implemented through new firmware which will be pre-loaded on all units (listed above) shipping from Trango starting on July 20. The new firmware will not allow the operator to select a band of operation in the 5.3 GHz band. The M5300S-FSU (5.3 GHz FOX SU) does not support 5.8 GHz operation and will not be shipping within the United States beginning July 20, 2007. We have M5300S-FSU units in stock and ready to ship if you are interested in beating the July 20th deadline. However, supply is limited and stock will be allocated on a first-come-first- serve basis. The new TrangoLINK-45 is a 45 Mbps multi-band point-to-point bridge which employs DFS for legal operation in the 5.3 and 5.4 GHz bands (as well as 5.8 GHz). This product is currently undergoing FCC certification and will be available for shipment in the United States as soon as FCC
[WISPA] LIST HIJACKED AGAIN
This list has been hijacked AGAIN by a few folks who send never ending emails-day and night- please stop, your killing the usefulness of the whole thing. Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing. -Walt Disney -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble I wonder how many wisps who would usually discuss their infrastructure and talk about their issues and performance of the equipment they are using, etc, no longer say a word on this list because of the fear mongers who have them running scared? We used to have lots of wisps discussing this stuff in detail, not any longer. Matt Liotta wrote: This has become a ridiculous thread. Dawn's customer experience is irrelevant in this case. Plenty of operators who have lots of customers (including me) understand and agree with the position presented. Don't kill the messenger! The FCC makes the rules; not Dawn or me or any of the other folks who have made accurate statements regarding certification. Use of certified equipment is required by law. Many people break laws for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't change the law. For example, everyday I drive over the speed limit and occasionally I am fined for doing so. -Matt Brad Belton wrote: How would the number of customers I had on my network have any bearing on this discussion? Well, it's a lot like having a medical intern weigh in on what a resident is more qualified to answer. Certainly the intern is not to be considered a dummy, but the intern's general lack of tenure, real world experience and overall knowledge can not be considered equal to an experienced resident. Questioning your ISP experience and specifically your fixed wireless experience is certainly relevant to this discussion. Anyone that has scaled their operation beyond a few dozen or even a few hundred clients knows the difficulty and complexity is compounded. It is quite a different animal to run an ISP with several thousand users behind it as compared to a few hundred. No offense is intended Dawn. I enjoy reading your posts and agree with your FCC Certification Crusade, but until you have walked a mile (or more in many cases) in the shoes of those you are speaking of many will rightly question what you offer here as the gospel. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble George, As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has to be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions they need to be clarified not argued against which seems to be the norm among some on this list. How would the number of customers I had on my network have any bearing on this discussion? Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: Dawn, Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp? Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our wisps? Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final say in what can and cannot be certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz
-Original Message- From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: 4/25/07 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz Rich, You make a good point. As a child, it was easy for me to understand the ideals that I was taught but it was harder for me to see and to understand what was really going on behind the scenes - behind the political curtain so to speak. Now, as an adult, it's become painfully obvious to me how intertwined politics and business really are. They are so intertwined that they appear (to me at least) to be destroying both the financial well-being of our country and the moral leadership that we once believed our country provided in the world. I guess I could say that my eyes have been opened. I now try to watch the FCC and our government at every level (local, state and federal) to try to keep them true to the ideals that I was taught were true and that I still believe they should be upholding. jack Rich Comroe wrote: It's ALWAYS been this way. Back in the 50's when you were taught ideals, rest assured it was the same way (but as a child you weren't aware). Remember that telecommunications had little need for radio back then other than as microwave backhaul ... which never cut a large geographic area due to its directionality by nature. Radio licenses were handed out to commercial business's at modest filing fee because there wasn't perceived to be any large monetary demand. This changed only in the early 1980's as the FCC struggled to find ways to grant licenses for cellular spectrum, which was the first time in history that there had ever been such demand. Yet it still hadn't been discovered how much business's were willing to PAY for licenses until the first round of PCS auctions netted the government $2.3B almost a decade later. But IMO there's been no recent change in government. We each discover the way it works at a particular age, but I've no reason to believe it acted differently in times gone by. Just reflect back on regulations crafted for oil, railroad, steel, coal, or whatever the largest corporations of the day were 100 years ago. The only change is that wireless was never the target of the largest corporations way, way back when. Even though it was one-way, remember how the corporate interests of the TV broadcasters (Sarnoff) influenced the FCC to move the FM broadcast band almost-3/4-of-a-century-ago just as a roadblock to an emerging FM broadcast competition? Imagine getting the FCC to put all early FM broadcasters and manufacturers out of business with a stroke of the pen! I think this was all the way back in the 1930s. Crippled the FM broadcast industry for at least 30 years (until the invention of FM Stereo in the early 1960s). Before I start sounding like Mark, I need to state that I believe government plays an important helpful (even vital) role to promote US industries and provide the best services for the US people. I just think they're doing a bad job in this regard. I fervently believe that regulatory anarchy is the worst thing for us all collectively when it comes to signals that can travel long distances. There's no excuse for lack of regulation which can destroy the utility of our spectrum which can all go the way of CB. There's a terrible need for active FCC watch-dogs to weigh-in to counteract the impact of paid lobbyists. Of course, the major industries have a voice that's orders of magnitude louder. But that's the way it's always been. Rich - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Meeting on 700 MHz John, Regarding your comment: Enabling thousands of new bustling and growing entrepreneurs to build local wireless communication broadband companies is the smartest thing they could do which is why they will not do it. Yes, creating and supporting new entrepreneurs is what government should do but our government has become corrupted (there, I did it... I uttered the C word) by the big money from large, entrenched, politically-connected corporations. By providing large political campaign contributions and gifts (like trips on corporate jets) large corporations now control how new laws are written and how existing laws are enforced. It should be no surprise that new laws are written to benefit large corporations. Back when I was a child (in the 50's) I was taught and I believed that the job of government was to do the greatest good for the greatest number of people. Today, that's changed. Now, it's my impression that our government writes laws to benefit those who contribute the most money to political parties. In the last few years, there are examples of bills that were actually written directly by large,
RE: [WISPA] New Alvarion CPE- Excellent
You never had an older unit..smaller. More appealing does not always mean much..the units have 2 or 3 db less received signal the revC and the weather seal is questionable..we have installed 12 of them this week so I will reserve my option for a bit on the new radios..marty -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: 3/23/07 1:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] New Alvarion CPE- Excellent I just received my first order of the new Alvarion, Horiz or Vert Polarity mountable, CPE. I have to say, SWET!! The units come with a Solid heavy Duty Mounting Design. I believe it will mount on anything from 1-1/4 to 5 pipes. Comes with thick all-thread, less likely to strip. Teethed Mounting Angles are part of the Case to prevent rotation slip. Still solid metal backing for optimal Heat-disapation and F/B ratio shielding. Its foot print is also significantly smaller now. Also probably one of the most cosmetically pleasing designs I have ever seen. It just has quality written all over it. I really like the new CAT5 Feed-through Joint. Its a molder rubber plug that slips in and clips into place securely. When you pull the Plug out, it can open up to feed a pre-terminated cable through, and then closes back around it. Its molded around the Cat5 Jack, so the rubber is what holds the CAT5 in place, when you slide it in place. Whoever came up with this design is Brilliant. Installation times and Customer Approval times, are going to be Lightning QUICK, with this CPE! Its just a plain predictable time-saver. It does not offer the flexibilty of Optional add-on Mutli-Card radios or External ports in the one unit, but its not intended to. Its a fantastic all-in-one unit for needs up to 21db antenna gain, where you just take it out of the box and get rolling. This unit is my nominee for Best CPE Design of the Year, and will be a hard act to follow. (From a Physical perspective, not meaning to spawn Technology Software Debates, which were argued to death last month) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik 900MHz feedback
Probably not legal- so not really very cost effective :) Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Annas Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik 900MHz feedback Is anyone using the MTIKs w/ the 900MHz cards? We use Mikrotiks for routing frequently; however, we have never used them as an actual access point. How do these work as 900MHz APs/SUs and is it more cost effective than a canned solution such as Trango or Tranzeo 900 gear? Thanks. _ Don Annas 336.510.3800 x111 336.510.3801 fax HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.triadtelecom.com/www.TriadTelecom.com _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 3/19/2007 11:49 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi
Mark- (I cant help myself with this one) You say However, if this costs more than $100 to implement (that's all I have in the bank at this moment), I will simply file stating I cannot and will not comply, period. How about all of the other things you will have to do in order to operate your business- especially taxes and insurance. Did you put them into your business plan? If so, then wouldn't it just make sense to include this expense into your business plan as a must have? I don't think any govt agency is going to accept we cannot afford it in response to any govt regulations or requirements we face. Calea would be no different...right? How about we pass on the cost to our customers with a CALEA surcharge- Send a message out to the customers that we HAVE to charge you xx per month to support the govt efforts to wiretap the masses or to support the Govt efforts to keep us safe from perverts and terrorist.. (depending on your political point of view.. Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:35:29 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote Hi All, We have a meeting set up for the 22nd in Va. I have 4 people set to go to it at this time but I'd like a 5th. I'm after a network admin type. Anyone have the time and recourses available? Or if I missed your offer earlier, please let me know. I have to get info to the FBI ASAP so if you can send a network admin to this meeting (and possibly join our calea standards committee) please let me know. WISPA member companies will have first crack at this, but I'll conceder others as well. While you're there... or, perhaps on your way there, please consider the fact that you and whoever is meeting there are deciding how every other WISP will structure his network and what they will be forced to spend or do. You will...or will not... set a standard, and then the FCC and FBI will...or will not...accept it, and everyone who has filed that they will be compliant persuant standards discussions will be obligated to do what is laid out in the end. You're a pretty bright guy, Marlon, and I suspect it won't take very long to see what direction this will head. You will be playing with the fates of a lot of people who did not choose this in ANY way. I haven't filed, because I cannot say I can or cannot comply. However, if this costs more than $100 to implement (that's all I have in the bank at this moment), I will simply file stating I cannot and will not comply, period. If the FCC then desires to shut me down then, They will have to do so forcibly. I will simply write a letter to all my customers, local newspapers, and state simply that the FCC has decided to take over all internet communications in a few months, and that there's no room left for small operations, and reccommend that they direct all questions to the FCC about why thier internet service will be no more. I will cause them more grief and bury their office in irate phone calls and letters than they can possibly handle. I know several sites where I can reach millions who WILL be activists, if we're not going to act. I'm absolutely positive they have NEVER even considered the notion (and probably do not care in the slightest) that what they do could devastate people's individual lives or futures. Nor do I think they care at all about anything but their own convenience and political futures. I doubt a single person involved on the regulator's end considers that since they decided to take on and regulate an industry which is probably populated with the highest percentage of small operators (1 to 5 people) of any industry they've ever even dreamed of regulating, what they do is PERSONAL to thousands of people, and directly will impact the lives of hundreds of thousands of other individuals. Living in the isolated and unreal world of Washington DC does that to people. I suggest you pass this on to the FCC and FBI, along with my estimation that at least 20% of all small operators will do exactly the same. I am SICK AND TIRED of being fed to the wolves without the slightest resistance. You, of all people, should know what it means to be a small, one or two man operation living out in the hinterland, where the rubber meets the road. There will be small and casual networks, small community and free networks, small joint efforts by a few people to get for themselves what they have a right to get. All possibly being wiped out by careless and overreaching federal agencies. Who's gonna stick up for them? WISPA's just bleating and going along like blind sheep. I STILL cannot believe we're
RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit
And lately my nights are filled with the goodnight show ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit You must not have little kids like I do! They got me up nice and early at 6:30 AM today. I would not know recognize a weekend morning without Sagwa or Clifford the Big Red Dog. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit First off Patrick, we will be going to the carpet in a few minutes when I get my thoughts collected. I just woke up an hour ago and am sometimes a little sluggish in the early hours. 2nd, Dlink, Linksys and Netgear all have antennas listed on their sites for use with their units. I may be wrong, but I would ass u me that they have been certified. But do your due diligense and check first to make sure. :) George Patrick Leary wrote: If your talking boxed units like netgear, dlink, and linksys sell, Of course they are certified. Is the certification void if it was torn apart and had a bigger antenna and amplifier added, probably not, unless it is to their certified specs. That would be uncertified. This is not a debatable point. This would be taking a consumer device, which is built to permit self-installation into a device for which the FCC says there must be a professional installation. These are the most confusing parts of the rules for novices, but basically if you are installing for another end user, you are assumed to be professional, which actually imposes certain liabilities and responsibilities on you. Further, this would void the certification EVEN if it still met the manufacturer specs because, for better of worse, only the OEM manufacturer can self-certify antenna changes. George, you were in the room at the FCC with me when they told us this so you know it. It is impossible to forget since Marlon pounded them about for most of the meeting but they would not budge that only a manufacturer can pick and chose additional antennas and then only antennas of equal or less power AND with similar specs (relative to emissions on sidelobs, etc.). Really all that was done in that ruling was to make the permissive change rules more simple. None of this was done for the protection of the manufacturers, but rather to make sure the FCC had one throat to choke. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit Sam Tetherow wrote: So are you saying that a PCMCIA card with software and internal antenna is not certified? No one has yet to answer this question for me. Is it legal for Best Buy to sell DLink/Linksys/Netgear/Belkin/... pcmcia cards for laptops? What about USB dongles? If they are legal how is they can certify a card and drivers, but we can't certify a minipci with software? If your talking boxed units like netgear, dlink, and linksys sell, Of course they are certified. Is the certification void if it was torn apart and had a bigger antenna and amplifier added, probably not, unless it is to their certified specs. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
RE: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing
In general we only limit the connections for residential and the lowest end business packages- The higher end packages have no limits although we will usually restrict peer to peer unless the business customers asks us not too.. This has proved to be a very effective tool for those residential customers who set up a office at home/barn and then start hiring people. They can start with a residential package but will need to upgrade if they want to have employees on the connection. It also allows us to handle the 1 man offices in a commercial building- We will sometimes allow a residential package in that case and don't have to worry they will share it with others. Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing Marty, consider limiting the number of simultaneous connections- Excellent idea, for residential. Have you played with that practice for Business subscribers? If so, what works appropriatly for business? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing You could also consider limiting the number of simultaneous connections- We limit our residential plans to 75 (Family basic) and 100 (family Power) simultaneous connections. If they share the connections or have many computers they will max out real quick. The numbers have been tested (75 and 100) over the past few years and cover 99% of our residential user's just fine. This also helps with peer to peer traffic as well. We use Allot bandwidth managers but most of the standards traffic managers can do it. Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing Yes, but how do you explain what 5G/month is to the average sub?? They worry because they don't see this with the 'big boys' that advertize don't sevre their area. Do you find it takes alot more selling/education for each sub? On 2/17/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tell my residential subs that we don't care if they have a hundred PCs. We don't have a cap on bandwidth that is available, but we do tell them that with each subscription is included 5gigs of data transfer per month. We sale bandwidth for a living and it is metered just like electricity and water. Help yourself to all you want, but it is not a free for all or a buffet where you can eat all you want for the low low price of $8.99. I realize I will probably get a scalding rebuke over my 5gigs, but I don't have copper in the ground or FTTH to allow a Hogs feast on my bandwidth. I run a very successful WIRELESS ISP and the BH pipes and APs are all limited in the amount of data they can carry. That is not my fault, but it is my problem and that is how I deal with it! I never have a complaint and I sell a fantastic service. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing We just tell them that the fact that they have more computers will inevitably increase the expected bandwidth usage. We're flexible on it. Essentially, if we have a customer that is clearly a business setup, we charge more. If it is an ultra-geek setup, we'll charge it. If it's a mom pop shop that just so happens to go over the threshold, we don't worry about it. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing I noticed that many WISPs have plans based on how many customer computers are hooked up to the customer's service. How does that work? Your installer counts computers initially, but then what? I have several power users with 5-10 computers and would like to move them to another plan, but need to understand how others do it. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
RE: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing
We use an Allot bandwidth manager that sits between the customer and our last router. I was mentioning that we limit our basic family plan to 75 connections and our family power plan to 100 connections. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing Marty, How are you limiting the number of connections to your customer? Sorry if you have answered previously. I am a bit lost in all the posts lately. Thanks, Scriv Marty Dougherty wrote: In general we only limit the connections for residential and the lowest end business packages- The higher end packages have no limits although we will usually restrict peer to peer unless the business customers asks us not too.. This has proved to be a very effective tool for those residential customers who set up a office at home/barn and then start hiring people. They can start with a residential package but will need to upgrade if they want to have employees on the connection. It also allows us to handle the 1 man offices in a commercial building- We will sometimes allow a residential package in that case and don't have to worry they will share it with others. Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing Marty, consider limiting the number of simultaneous connections- Excellent idea, for residential. Have you played with that practice for Business subscribers? If so, what works appropriatly for business? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing You could also consider limiting the number of simultaneous connections- We limit our residential plans to 75 (Family basic) and 100 (family Power) simultaneous connections. If they share the connections or have many computers they will max out real quick. The numbers have been tested (75 and 100) over the past few years and cover 99% of our residential user's just fine. This also helps with peer to peer traffic as well. We use Allot bandwidth managers but most of the standards traffic managers can do it. Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing Yes, but how do you explain what 5G/month is to the average sub?? They worry because they don't see this with the 'big boys' that advertize don't sevre their area. Do you find it takes alot more selling/education for each sub? On 2/17/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tell my residential subs that we don't care if they have a hundred PCs. We don't have a cap on bandwidth that is available, but we do tell them that with each subscription is included 5gigs of data transfer per month. We sale bandwidth for a living and it is metered just like electricity and water. Help yourself to all you want, but it is not a free for all or a buffet where you can eat all you want for the low low price of $8.99. I realize I will probably get a scalding rebuke over my 5gigs, but I don't have copper in the ground or FTTH to allow a Hogs feast on my bandwidth. I run a very successful WIRELESS ISP and the BH pipes and APs are all limited in the amount of data they can carry. That is not my fault, but it is my problem and that is how I deal with it! I never have a complaint and I sell a fantastic service. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing We just tell them that the fact that they have more computers will inevitably increase the expected bandwidth usage. We're flexible on it. Essentially, if we have a customer that is clearly a business setup, we charge more. If it is an ultra-geek setup, we'll charge it. If it's a mom pop shop that just so happens to go over
RE: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing
You could also consider limiting the number of simultaneous connections- We limit our residential plans to 75 (Family basic) and 100 (family Power) simultaneous connections. If they share the connections or have many computers they will max out real quick. The numbers have been tested (75 and 100) over the past few years and cover 99% of our residential user's just fine. This also helps with peer to peer traffic as well. We use Allot bandwidth managers but most of the standards traffic managers can do it. Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing Yes, but how do you explain what 5G/month is to the average sub?? They worry because they don't see this with the 'big boys' that advertize don't sevre their area. Do you find it takes alot more selling/education for each sub? On 2/17/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tell my residential subs that we don't care if they have a hundred PCs. We don't have a cap on bandwidth that is available, but we do tell them that with each subscription is included 5gigs of data transfer per month. We sale bandwidth for a living and it is metered just like electricity and water. Help yourself to all you want, but it is not a free for all or a buffet where you can eat all you want for the low low price of $8.99. I realize I will probably get a scalding rebuke over my 5gigs, but I don't have copper in the ground or FTTH to allow a Hogs feast on my bandwidth. I run a very successful WIRELESS ISP and the BH pipes and APs are all limited in the amount of data they can carry. That is not my fault, but it is my problem and that is how I deal with it! I never have a complaint and I sell a fantastic service. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing We just tell them that the fact that they have more computers will inevitably increase the expected bandwidth usage. We're flexible on it. Essentially, if we have a customer that is clearly a business setup, we charge more. If it is an ultra-geek setup, we'll charge it. If it's a mom pop shop that just so happens to go over the threshold, we don't worry about it. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: [WISPA] per customer computer pricing I noticed that many WISPs have plans based on how many customer computers are hooked up to the customer's service. How does that work? Your installer counts computers initially, but then what? I have several power users with 5-10 computers and would like to move them to another plan, but need to understand how others do it. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.
Give me a break. I just joined WISPA in the past 60 days with intentions of HELPING THE INDUSTRY. In the 60 days I have been on this list I have seen all kinds of BS- Political grandstanding, rudeness and generally unprofessional behavior. The most recent discussions about operating illegally have been just as disturbing. I want to know if WISPA intends to step up to the plate and take a position against all of this INCLUDING the open and seemingly arrogant flaunting of the rules that have been put in place by the FCC. If you had the authority to grant new unlicensed spectrum to the WISP represented on this list would you feel confident they will follow the rules? Don't you think the licensed camps are going to eat this up? MY 2 cents- we are in for the battle of our lives with regards to spectrum and we are LOOSING. In fact, if not for the muni crowd, we would have little hope of getting any of the TV/whitespace. Someone else mentioned this was similar to the CB radio story... Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards. Oh my lord Marty! I think you are trying to get Patrick back in high gear on his soap box!! :-) SHAME SHAME!! Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards. Since we have been on the subject- do these all qualify as 'certified FCC systems? I have often wondered how it's possible to build this all yourself and stay legal... Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards. Our driver sets the output power using an electronics volume control that is in the Atheros power out section. All drivers set the power using that control. The precise setting is in tables provided by Atheros for the various air rates and as you note it goes down as the rate goes up. This is to keep the amplifier from being over driven by the extra carriers that happen as a result of higher rates. The high power cards that we have tested all have a power amplifier after the Atheros power measurement sections, so the power setting that the driver applies is further added to by the extra amplifier. We have no knowledge about the specs of that extra amplifer except that it supplies from 6 to 8 dB more power. Lonnie On 2/7/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me how STAROS works in regards to setting power levels to cards that adapative modulate. Specifically related to Cards with on board AMPs. To be more clear A SR2 may be speced at 26db at 1-24 mbps, but 24db at 36mbps, and 22db at 48-56mb. My unconfirmed understanding is, that the SR2 adds about 8db via an onboard external amp beyond what the card is actually set to. So if the card is set to 16db, it will have an output power of 24db in theory. However, its not that simple because the output power will change based on modulation. Does STAROS drivers set the power as the constant power regardless of what modulation? Or does it set the TOP power? Does the power on the card only change if modulation drops and the power is set higher than power it suppoed to drop to? The radio card has no knowledge of what DB antenna is connected to it. And are the onboard AMPs a set output or variable output AMP? The point that I'm making is, how can we set the card to near MAX levels, but guarantee that they will never transmit above the allowed EIRP? If I have the conclusive answer to that question, then I can reduce the power to the lowest level needed for a good link, with headroom capabilty if emergencies occur, but more importantly, I can document what the top allowable setting should be for that specific configuration of a radio, so when an emergencies occurs, my novice staff does not break the rules inadvertently. It gets more confusing with multiple manufacturer AMPs. Because we need to have knowledge of what type of AMP is added to the card. (variable or not). And also what input power level its expecting to minimize internal distortion. I can give an example of a test I ran yesterday using a SR2 (400mw) and a Teletronic 22db (approx 150mw) High Power card. I thought the chipsets were
RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.
It's simple Marlon- WISPA can affect this crowd- If WISPA demands all members be 100% legal operators or NO MEMBERSHIP allowed that would send a powerful message to the FCC and the WISP community. From the code of ethics- ARTICLE II We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our industry and enhance its reputation. ARTICLE III We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor ARTICLE IV We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public regard and confidence in our Industry Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards. I get a kick out of these discussions. First, if the people that think we're all illegal operators think that the 5 or 10 very vocal ones on a couple of emails lists represent they whole industry they are being less than honest with anyone. MOST operators are good and honest. Not all of them are anymore than all are in any industry. Personally, I wish that those that love to brag about flaunting the rules would be run up the official flag pole. Second, the talk about WISPA doing anything to those companies isn't helpful either. WISPA isn't nearly powerful enough yet. Hopefully some day it will be. But we're just not there yet. What WISPA can, should, and has done is to always take the side of the law. We have lawyers working on the CALEA issue. We have a team of WISPs going to DC NEXT week (not as WISPA representatives but as WISPA members) to talk to the FCC about their businesses, current market trends etc. If I were going I'd also talk about how damaging the almost total lack of enforcement is being to the industry and our customers. They'll be talking to the chief of the FBI's CALEA group. Hopefully something similar to the FCC's Form 477 FAQ #8 will come of it (for those that have never read the FAQ, #8 tells the WISP EXACTLY what he needs to fill out on the form, it makes this a brainless process). They are also going to meet with the Federal Trade Commission's broadband group. WISPA also has a code of ethics. For those that have never read it: http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 As a trade org that represents the industry we have worked hard to make sure that people KNOW what the rules and laws are. If you have an issue you aren't sure of, ask, someone here will know the answer or where to get the answer. We have a couple of lawyers that hang around our industry and love to be helpful to the WISP community. We have technicians, engineers, marketing whizzes, management pros etc. here. To even think that the few that advocate flaunting the rules represent our industry is plain silly. To think that the licensed community, DSL companies, cable companies etc. etc. etc. want us to succeed is also silly. They will do and say anything to destroy our industry. We are THE ONE industry that can possibly compete with them over the next 10 or 20 or 50 years. And as the technology gets better, as spectrum becomes more available, as standards become more widely accepted, we're going to be ever more powerful. The big boys understand money and competition. Not customer service and reputation. We have a huge edge in the long term. I used to think that fiber was the next logical broadband evolution. That eventually all of the copper would be pulled out of service and fiber put in in it's place. Now I'm not so sure. Cell phones are where it's at today. I think that as soon as someone builds a pbx that will use the cell phone as a person's extension line and make it easy to put people on hold, transfer calls etc., the desk phone will go by by. There's not much that can be done with the average extension phone that can't be done with a cell phone, and then some. I am actually much more worried about some form of cell phone broadband than I am about fiber to the home today. I think the traditional phone company is going to end up going the way of the buggy maker. Sure they had a good run for a long time. But people's priorities and habits are clearly changing. I think we're actually likely to see the broadband industry, especially the wireless one, take over all communications services in the next couple of decades. The genie is out of the bottle. People love their laptops (well, everything but those worthless mouse pads and keyboards) and will take them everywhere. The need for spectrum is clear and the demand is JUST really gaining ground. The WISP industry is tracking
RE: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.
Why? Because our industry is getting hammered at the FCC by the licensed operators. They are telling the world that UL operators are running wild and giving them (us) more UL spectrum will result in the exact same issues in the new spectrum. The FCC does not intend to hire hundreds of inspectors to keep our industry honest and legal. They expect the industry (us, you and me) to police ourselves and to create the industry specifics programs around making that happen. If WISPA is not up to the task then someone else needs to do it. Once Clearwire and Sprint /Nextel show up in your area with licensed broadband you will really feel the heat. There are LOTS of Clearwire wanna be's at the FCC RIGHT NOW begging for licensed spectrum. These are guys who have VC money- $20-30M on average. Not only do they have the cash to be RELEVANT they often have the experience in dealing with the FCC. (many have inside connections or used to work at the FCC. If they make it to your area and have licensed spectrum they will kill you. How will you compete against their power levels and lower prices without additional spectrum? Can you afford to join them at the FCC auctions or spectrum trading pits? I know we all provide better support, we are local guys etc etc etc. We can all tell ourselves that as the licensed operators surround us and take our customers with better spectrum and lower price points. Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: SPAM ? RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards. Marlon, Correct me if I am wrong, wasn't it you that was looking for an amp for a 15 mile link of an omni the other day? Fact is it's none of our business here at wispa what our members use for equipment. None what so ever. WISPA is not an enforcement group. We are a trade association. Marty, why is it that you want to get involved with what other people use? George Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I get a kick out of these discussions. First, if the people that think we're all illegal operators think that the 5 or 10 very vocal ones on a couple of emails lists represent they whole industry they are being less than honest with anyone. MOST operators are good and honest. Not all of them are anymore than all are in any industry. Personally, I wish that those that love to brag about flaunting the rules would be run up the official flag pole. Second, the talk about WISPA doing anything to those companies isn't helpful either. WISPA isn't nearly powerful enough yet. Hopefully some day it will be. But we're just not there yet. What WISPA can, should, and has done is to always take the side of the law. We have lawyers working on the CALEA issue. We have a team of WISPs going to DC NEXT week (not as WISPA representatives but as WISPA members) to talk to the FCC about their businesses, current market trends etc. If I were going I'd also talk about how damaging the almost total lack of enforcement is being to the industry and our customers. They'll be talking to the chief of the FBI's CALEA group. Hopefully something similar to the FCC's Form 477 FAQ #8 will come of it (for those that have never read the FAQ, #8 tells the WISP EXACTLY what he needs to fill out on the form, it makes this a brainless process). They are also going to meet with the Federal Trade Commission's broadband group. WISPA also has a code of ethics. For those that have never read it: http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 As a trade org that represents the industry we have worked hard to make sure that people KNOW what the rules and laws are. If you have an issue you aren't sure of, ask, someone here will know the answer or where to get the answer. We have a couple of lawyers that hang around our industry and love to be helpful to the WISP community. We have technicians, engineers, marketing whizzes, management pros etc. here. To even think that the few that advocate flaunting the rules represent our industry is plain silly. To think that the licensed community, DSL companies, cable companies etc. etc. etc. want us to succeed is also silly. They will do and say anything to destroy our industry. We are THE ONE industry that can possibly compete with them over the next 10 or 20 or 50 years. And as the technology gets better, as spectrum becomes more available, as standards become more widely accepted, we're going to be ever more powerful. The big boys understand money and competition. Not customer service and reputation. We have a huge edge in the long term. I used to think that fiber was the next logical broadband evolution. That eventually all of the copper would
RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.
Since we have been on the subject- do these all qualify as 'certified FCC systems? I have often wondered how it's possible to build this all yourself and stay legal... Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards. Our driver sets the output power using an electronics volume control that is in the Atheros power out section. All drivers set the power using that control. The precise setting is in tables provided by Atheros for the various air rates and as you note it goes down as the rate goes up. This is to keep the amplifier from being over driven by the extra carriers that happen as a result of higher rates. The high power cards that we have tested all have a power amplifier after the Atheros power measurement sections, so the power setting that the driver applies is further added to by the extra amplifier. We have no knowledge about the specs of that extra amplifer except that it supplies from 6 to 8 dB more power. Lonnie On 2/7/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me how STAROS works in regards to setting power levels to cards that adapative modulate. Specifically related to Cards with on board AMPs. To be more clear A SR2 may be speced at 26db at 1-24 mbps, but 24db at 36mbps, and 22db at 48-56mb. My unconfirmed understanding is, that the SR2 adds about 8db via an onboard external amp beyond what the card is actually set to. So if the card is set to 16db, it will have an output power of 24db in theory. However, its not that simple because the output power will change based on modulation. Does STAROS drivers set the power as the constant power regardless of what modulation? Or does it set the TOP power? Does the power on the card only change if modulation drops and the power is set higher than power it suppoed to drop to? The radio card has no knowledge of what DB antenna is connected to it. And are the onboard AMPs a set output or variable output AMP? The point that I'm making is, how can we set the card to near MAX levels, but guarantee that they will never transmit above the allowed EIRP? If I have the conclusive answer to that question, then I can reduce the power to the lowest level needed for a good link, with headroom capabilty if emergencies occur, but more importantly, I can document what the top allowable setting should be for that specific configuration of a radio, so when an emergencies occurs, my novice staff does not break the rules inadvertently. It gets more confusing with multiple manufacturer AMPs. Because we need to have knowledge of what type of AMP is added to the card. (variable or not). And also what input power level its expecting to minimize internal distortion. I can give an example of a test I ran yesterday using a SR2 (400mw) and a Teletronic 22db (approx 150mw) High Power card. I thought the chipsets were near the same. I got really weird results. The AP had an SR2. THe radios were hard set at 24mbps for testing. At the SU we tried using both a SR2 and Teletronics. The SR2 had 10db lower signal at the AP than SU, unexplained. The Teletronics had 5 db lower signal at the SU than AP. The SR2 had 15 db higher SU gain than the Teletronics SU, at MAX power setting. Now I'm assuming that the SR2 was heavilly being overpowered during the short brief test, and we set it down to 16db power in STAROS. Why did this occured differently for the Teleronics Atheros? Is there onboard AMP a different type than the SR2? Or less filtering? Or worse sensitivity? The power levels also varied significantly based on what level cloaking used, so we were concerned on whether both cards, equaly cloaked. There was some talk in the past where some Atheros revs, only did 5Mhz transmits but still listened to 20Mhz during receives. (We possibly needed significant power because we were blasting through some trees and it was high noise environment, and we were using 30deg antennas. Before we get slammed for overpowering but within legal limits, Take note, that this is an experimental environment, to learn the product and the performance of high power cards. Its likely we could have done the link without high powered cards, but then we would not have been able to learn anything. We are also proving the viabilty of whether it hurts to have a HighPower card by default, and if the card still performs optimally if the power is turned down. Or if the AMP in line causes significant in-line distortion that is disadvantageous for low power operation.). I know there are two easy solutions... 1) Use a CM9 without an AMP, and avoid the problem. 2) Use a High quality OFDM
RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards.
I don't seem much discussions about integrators or wisps going to the FCC to get these parts certified into a system. So, is it safe to safe that most microtik installs are NOT certified and are therefore not legal? Seems to me like this would be a big issue for us all to address?? Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards. do these all qualify as 'certified FCC systems? Parts dont get certified, systems do. They have the capabilty to be certified. Depends if the integrator took the time and money to get them certified. Depends if the WISP took the care to buy them from an integrator that certified them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards. Since we have been on the subject- do these all qualify as 'certified FCC systems? I have often wondered how it's possible to build this all yourself and stay legal... Marty __ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-623-4542 (Cell) 703-554-6620 (office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Understanding STAROS with High Power cards. Our driver sets the output power using an electronics volume control that is in the Atheros power out section. All drivers set the power using that control. The precise setting is in tables provided by Atheros for the various air rates and as you note it goes down as the rate goes up. This is to keep the amplifier from being over driven by the extra carriers that happen as a result of higher rates. The high power cards that we have tested all have a power amplifier after the Atheros power measurement sections, so the power setting that the driver applies is further added to by the extra amplifier. We have no knowledge about the specs of that extra amplifer except that it supplies from 6 to 8 dB more power. Lonnie On 2/7/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me how STAROS works in regards to setting power levels to cards that adapative modulate. Specifically related to Cards with on board AMPs. To be more clear A SR2 may be speced at 26db at 1-24 mbps, but 24db at 36mbps, and 22db at 48-56mb. My unconfirmed understanding is, that the SR2 adds about 8db via an onboard external amp beyond what the card is actually set to. So if the card is set to 16db, it will have an output power of 24db in theory. However, its not that simple because the output power will change based on modulation. Does STAROS drivers set the power as the constant power regardless of what modulation? Or does it set the TOP power? Does the power on the card only change if modulation drops and the power is set higher than power it suppoed to drop to? The radio card has no knowledge of what DB antenna is connected to it. And are the onboard AMPs a set output or variable output AMP? The point that I'm making is, how can we set the card to near MAX levels, but guarantee that they will never transmit above the allowed EIRP? If I have the conclusive answer to that question, then I can reduce the power to the lowest level needed for a good link, with headroom capabilty if emergencies occur, but more importantly, I can document what the top allowable setting should be for that specific configuration of a radio, so when an emergencies occurs, my novice staff does not break the rules inadvertently. It gets more confusing with multiple manufacturer AMPs. Because we need to have knowledge of what type of AMP is added to the card. (variable or not). And also what input power level its expecting to minimize internal distortion. I can give an example of a test I ran yesterday using a SR2 (400mw) and a Teletronic 22db (approx 150mw) High Power card. I thought the chipsets were near the same. I got really weird results. The AP had an SR2. THe radios were hard set at 24mbps for testing. At the SU we tried using both a SR2 and Teletronics. The SR2 had 10db lower signal at the AP than SU, unexplained. The Teletronics had 5 db lower signal at the SU than AP. The SR2 had 15 db higher SU gain than the Teletronics SU, at MAX power setting. Now I'm assuming that the SR2 was heavilly being overpowered during the short brief test
RE: [WISPA] I'm gonna do the honors without permission -- WELCOME Marty Roadstar!
Wow I feel like a movie star or something- Perhaps Patrick can line me up with a Hollywood star right next to The Donald? I am thrilled to be able to join WISPA and hope to be able to help our industry get a louder voice. I have noticed that we are being left out of more and more at the FCC and at the local/state levels. We really need to turn that around as quick as we can. Looking forward to meeting you all in person at future WISPA events! Marty BTW- I guess Patrick does not get a commission or he would know that we have passed the 2000 mark- probably 1500 or so VL's and the rest 900Mhz and then a few remaining WIFI... ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I'm gonna do the honors without permission -- WELCOME Marty Roadstar! Dear WISPA members and friends (which includes many of you), I just learned some very good news -- Marty Dougherty, CEO and founder of Roadstar Internet (http://www.roadstarinternet.com/index.php), based in Loundon County, VA recently joined WISPA as a paid member WISP. This is great news and here's why: Marty operates a high profile and large WISP network that connects over 1,000 homes and business primarily in the challenging exurb edges of the rolling Northern Virginia country side (all forests, fields, and foothills). Roadstar was the first WISP ever visited by a FCC chairman when former Chairman Powell toured the NOC and a few customers with a large entourage and press back around 2002. Since then Marty, like many of you, has been a frequent face at the FCC and he regularly hosts dignitaries from here and abroad. Marty also has another incumbent asset, shall we say, he used to work in the telco space. So his insight is fantastic. As well, Marty has a some staff that he is willing to have assist WISPA, such as is newly hired PR person who is the former editor of the Loudon Business newspaper. Folks, Marty is like you in that he boot-strapped this business from his own pocket and literally from the garage-turned-office from behind his house. He has repeatedly turned down major investment offers so he can continue to grow under his control. Also like many of you he began with 802.11b, then migrated to another brand, and eventually settled (so far!) on BreezeACCESS VL. Maybe most importantly, Marty is a great person like so many of you. I count him as a friend and I am proud to have contributed to earning his business. Please welcome him and make use of his many talents...I know we do (he is typically a top choice for beta testing and other advice). Thanks Rick and John, in advance, for humoring me as I introduce Marty. Sincerely, Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Open letter to the IEEE Here is a good link for those who which to understand the issue more fully. The authors are as qualified as you get and professionally known (I don't know Andrew though) by a number of us here so we can vouch for them. http://www.newamerica.net/publications/policy/reclaiming_the_vast_wastel and_why_unlicensed_use_of_white_space_in_the_tv_bands_will_not_cause_int erference_ Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Open letter to the IEEE Bingo. Very nice edit Forbes with one exception: the white space does not refer to 700 MHz. Technically, it covers a range of more than 600 MHz sub 700 MHz, excluding a smattering of bands that will still be in use (not expected to be present in more than 120 markets) and a few other small channels reserved for things like public safety. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Open letter to the IEEE Marlon, I kind of gutted your letter and changed it to one that acts a little more like it's from an organization then a person. Please don't take offense and feel free to change it. As you have explained to me, stepping back and looking at it from another person's eyes sometimes gets the same effect with a little calmer face. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. Dear Sirs, I represent the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association
RE: [WISPA] I'm gonna do the honors without permission -- WELCOMEMarty Roadstar!
No... How do I? Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm gonna do the honors without permission -- WELCOMEMarty Roadstar! Welcome Marty. Glad you chose to join WISPA and contribute. I'm sure you can help. Are you also subscribed to the member list? George Marty Dougherty wrote: Wow I feel like a movie star or something- Perhaps Patrick can line me up with a Hollywood star right next to The Donald? I am thrilled to be able to join WISPA and hope to be able to help our industry get a louder voice. I have noticed that we are being left out of more and more at the FCC and at the local/state levels. We really need to turn that around as quick as we can. Looking forward to meeting you all in person at future WISPA events! Marty BTW- I guess Patrick does not get a commission or he would know that we have passed the 2000 mark- probably 1500 or so VL's and the rest 900Mhz and then a few remaining WIFI... ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I'm gonna do the honors without permission -- WELCOME Marty Roadstar! Dear WISPA members and friends (which includes many of you), I just learned some very good news -- Marty Dougherty, CEO and founder of Roadstar Internet (http://www.roadstarinternet.com/index.php), based in Loundon County, VA recently joined WISPA as a paid member WISP. This is great news and here's why: Marty operates a high profile and large WISP network that connects over 1,000 homes and business primarily in the challenging exurb edges of the rolling Northern Virginia country side (all forests, fields, and foothills). Roadstar was the first WISP ever visited by a FCC chairman when former Chairman Powell toured the NOC and a few customers with a large entourage and press back around 2002. Since then Marty, like many of you, has been a frequent face at the FCC and he regularly hosts dignitaries from here and abroad. Marty also has another incumbent asset, shall we say, he used to work in the telco space. So his insight is fantastic. As well, Marty has a some staff that he is willing to have assist WISPA, such as is newly hired PR person who is the former editor of the Loudon Business newspaper. Folks, Marty is like you in that he boot-strapped this business from his own pocket and literally from the garage-turned-office from behind his house. He has repeatedly turned down major investment offers so he can continue to grow under his control. Also like many of you he began with 802.11b, then migrated to another brand, and eventually settled (so far!) on BreezeACCESS VL. Maybe most importantly, Marty is a great person like so many of you. I count him as a friend and I am proud to have contributed to earning his business. Please welcome him and make use of his many talents...I know we do (he is typically a top choice for beta testing and other advice). Thanks Rick and John, in advance, for humoring me as I introduce Marty. Sincerely, Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Open letter to the IEEE Here is a good link for those who which to understand the issue more fully. The authors are as qualified as you get and professionally known (I don't know Andrew though) by a number of us here so we can vouch for them. http://www.newamerica.net/publications/policy/reclaiming_the_vast_wastel and_why_unlicensed_use_of_white_space_in_the_tv_bands_will_not_cause_int erference_ Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Open letter to the IEEE Bingo. Very nice edit Forbes with one exception: the white space does not refer to 700 MHz. Technically, it covers a range of more than 600 MHz sub 700 MHz, excluding a smattering of bands that will still be in use (not expected to be present in more than 120 markets) and a few other small channels reserved for things like public safety. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage
[WISPA] WISP needed in Cleavland Texas
Garner, Justin 393 Cr 2146Cleavland77327 281-593-3360 Feel free to call him if you can provide service to his location. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] County Looks To Wireless For Western Connection
Just to clarify this comment- Instead, what may happen is that cell phones will become our competitors; they usually don't deploy on anything less than high tower. I was not quoted exactly correct. My concern is that the cell phone focused towers would compete with towers that would actually help broadband providers like Roadstarafter all, how many towers will they allow? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] County Looks To Wireless For Western Connection County Looks To Wireless For Western Connection By Therese Howe (Created: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:08 AM EST) | Text Size | print | e-mail | comment (0) Focus on the county's broadband debate has shifted westward, where residents will be asked to answer the question of whether they're willing to trade their views for high-speed Internet service. Almost a year after supervisors scrapped a proposal to build a $320 million fiber-optic network that would serve the entire county, the county is now reframing the broadband access debate to focus on wireless as the potential answer to increase the availability of high-speed Internet service, particularly in the west. Anyone with a stake in the issue-from residents who have been unable to get broadband to companies offering to build towers from which wireless service could be provided, to the county's current wireless providers-is invited to provide input Jan. 23 when the board of supervisors' Economic Development Committee is scheduled to take up the topic. At that meeting, county Broadband Services Manager Scott Bashore will provide a recap of the county's broadband efforts, leading up to why wireless makes the most sense for western Loudoun, said Supervisor Lori Waters (R-Broad Run), who chairs the committee. The county has set a goal of expanding broadband availability in the county to 90 percent from its current 86 percent, according to Bashore, who adds that the service is primarily offered in the east, where the majority of the county's population resides. Bashore also is working on updating the county's Strategic Land Use Plan for Telecommunications Facilities, which was last changed in 2002. The original intent was for it to be good for about five years, so we're on track with updating it, Bashore said, adding that in the past four years, the market has changed with new towers being built and fewer national telecommunications carriers offering service. Part of the impetus behind the county's efforts has been the upswing in the number of applications for towers and monopoles to provide cellular and high-speed Internet services. I thought it was important to get ahead of the game before dealing with these applications for individual monopoles. We need to take a look at the big picture ... and know where it fits in the plan rather than piecemeal, Waters said. Among the proposals are two submitted by Community Wireless Structures, a Falls Church company that builds 100- to 200-foot structures from which carriers such as Verizon and Cingular can provide cellular and wireless Internet service. One proposal, for a 120-foot pole south of Leesburg in Virts Corner, was forwarded on Tuesday to the board of supervisors' Feb. 6 meeting for action. Supervisors hope to see the company accede to residents' requests for a pole disguised as a tree rather than the company's proposed graduated paint monopole. The second proposal was filed Dec. 29 and is more expansive, calling for six sites in northwestern Loudoun that have one or two poles of 100 or 150 feet high. The company has leased locations at White's Ferry, Taylorstown, Round Hill, on Mountain Road on the east side of Short Hill Mountain, at the intersection of Rts. 9 and 287, and on the east side of Rt. 287 near Lovettsville. We know whenever solutions are proposed, they encounter local opposition, said Bob Gordon, an attorney who is a partner in the company, adding that the concern all boils down to visual impact. To provide information to the public and increase public awareness of the project, the company has created a Web site, www.getloudounonline.org, that solicits input from residents and offers information on upcoming public hearings. The company expects the first to occur in the spring before the county's planning commission, then in the summer before the board of supervisors. We want to hear from people who are still on dial-up and tired of it or are very frustrated because when they're driving, the cell phone blinks out, Gordon said. We feel there's a silent majority, but do they care enough to get to the public hearings? As the county gears up to handle the monopole applications and prepares to address the broader question of expanding broadband availability, current wireless providers such as Marty Dougherty's
RE: [WISPA] County Looks To Wireless For Western Connection
Another angle- http://www.loudountimesmirror.com/site/tab1.cfm?newsid=17690001BRD=2553 PAG=461dept_id=506035rfi=6 Six 140-foot monopoles have been proposed in northwestern Loudoun County to increase wireless Internet and cellular access in rural Loudoun. Low population density in the west fails to entice traditional cable and DSL providers, leaving many residents without hi-speed Internet service and with spotty cell service. The company that filed the application with the county, Falls Church-based Community Wireless Structures, wants to build the monopoles to co-locate various wireless companies' antennas - lowering providers' initial investment and bringing wider coverage and more options for residents. But even CWS officials admit that getting rural Loudounites to support six 140-foot poles will take a special effort. Connecting in Loudoun Broadband technology, loosely defined, is an Internet connection that processes data at 200 kilobyte/sec and faster. Fiber-optic cable is the fastest way to receive broadband now. Final approval of the structures rests with the Board of Supervisors, and two public hearings must be held - in front of the Planning Commission as well as the board. The dates have not been set, but CWS hopes for mid-year hearings. In anticipation of opposition, the company has launched a Web site with maps of the proposed sites and detailed information on the benefits of wireless. I don't want to seem too glib or cavalier, but people fight and fight [monopoles] and after they're built, people stop seeing them, said Bob Gordon, CWS's attorney and an investor in the company. The current Board of Supervisors has made it a priority to expand broadband coverage in order to attract businesses, promote teleworking and improve emergency communications. Scott Bashore, the newly hired head of Loudoun County's Broadband Services department, has determined that wireless Internet remains the most feasible way to expand broadband in the county's west. The debate now focuses on the delivery mode: a network of a few tall towers - 140 feet - or many small towers - 60 to 70 feet, some of which could be installed on existing structures, such as water towers and flagpoles. Several companies, such as Loudoun Wireless and Roadstar, have been providing wireless Internet service in western Loudoun for several years. Marty Dougherty, founder and CEO of Roadstar, said his Leesburg-based company already provides 2,000 homes in western Loudoun with wireless broadband service. He said he has been consistently left out of the current debate on county policy. We are being ignored, and I think the reason is -- the answers are not easy and [county officials] want easy answers, Dougherty said. He said there's no silver-bullet solution. Because of Loudoun's hills and dense tree cover, he said, even the taller towers won't be able to deliver wireless Internet to all residents. There is no way that radio waves can travel through the earth. Even the Board of Supervisors can't change that, Dougherty said. He supports a network of many different providers, with shorter poles to customize wireless delivery to each western community. Gordon disagrees. He said fewer taller towers would minimize the visual impact and offer wider coverage to lure bigger providers to invest. He also added that short towers aren't easy to get approved. Western Loudoun is littered with the graves of applications for short towers. For details on the location of Community Wireless Structures' six proposed monopoles, go to www.getLoudounonline.com . Contact the reporter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTimes Community Newspapers 2007 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] County Looks To Wireless For Western Connection County Looks To Wireless For Western Connection By Therese Howe (Created: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:08 AM EST) | Text Size | print | e-mail | comment (0) Focus on the county's broadband debate has shifted westward, where residents will be asked to answer the question of whether they're willing to trade their views for high-speed Internet service. Almost a year after supervisors scrapped a proposal to build a $320 million fiber-optic network that would serve the entire county, the county is now reframing the broadband access debate to focus on wireless as the potential answer to increase the availability of high-speed Internet service, particularly in the west. Anyone with a stake in the issue-from residents who have been unable to get broadband to companies offering to build towers from which wireless service could be provided, to the county's current wireless providers-is invited to provide input Jan. 23 when the board of supervisors' Economic Development Committee is scheduled to take up the topic. At that meeting, county Broadband Services Manager
[WISPA] what's this list all about anyhow?
This list is often very ugly and can be a big waste of time. Has it always been that way? Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, Many if not most RFP's today require a percentage of accounts be discounted heavily or given away for just the reasons you are describing. The term Digital Inclusion is used in this document to describe the goal of expanding the capabilities of computing technology worldwide to better serve social and economic challenges of underserved communities, both rural and urban. If you would get off your own train and look around and maybe read a thing or two on this subject maybe you would understand this a little better. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mark Koskenmaki wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly There are numerous studies that demonstrate that towns that lack broadband are economically deficient compared to towns with broadband. Job growth, tax base increase, home value stability, higher per capita income. The economic deficiency drives the lack of broadband, not the other way around. You can't raise the dog to life by wagging it's tail. I live in one of those towns, and have many of them in the region surrounding me. Broadband is not the issue. The economic conditions are driven ENTIRELY by other factors.Just like poor roads don't help, a lack of connectivity may be some hindrance, but building a superhighway to a depressed community will simply NOT create magic.Broadband brought to these places may have some neglible impact, but the lack is not the cause of economic problems, nor will provisioning it fix things. Unfortunately, too many people are riding this train.Politicians are holding it out as a fix ( BB access has never hurt a town's economy, of course) for things when it isn't, and lots of businessmen are exploiting that for thier own pocketbooks. The people who are being sold this are the unwitting victims. They need real solutions to other real problems, and ignoring them and offering fashionable modern services as a fix is a red herring... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] vonage wireless
That's pretty funny. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] vonage wireless *Internet phone company Vonage said Monday that it plans to use EarthLink's citywide Wi-Fi infrastructure to provide wireless broadband service along with its voice over Internet Protocol service to customers.* http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6148275.html -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] SSH DOS Killing Linux
The infected sub was bandwidth managed with HTB to 256k cir, 1 mbps mir, but not anything for PPS. Tom- Why don't you just limit the number PPS at the customers radio? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] SSH DOS Killing Linux We recently had a really nasty DOS attack that took down a large part of our network across several cell sites, from the infected client all the way to the Internet transit. Take note that we identified the problem quickly and cured it quickly. But This is the first time that this has occured in 5 years, as we have a good number of smart design characteristics that have limited the effects of most viruses on our network. We stopped the attack, by blocking SSH to the infected sub. The average amount of traffic crossing the entire network path from the client to the Internet was about 500 kbps on average. (This was a 20 mbps wireless link, and a 100mbps fiber trnasport link to the transit.). The two routers were a P4 2Ghz, and a Dual XEON 2.2Ghz w/ 10,000rpm SCSI3. The damage was that the CPU was nailed on both routers to about 99.9% using TOP to monitor stats. We varified that successful SSH sessions were not made directly to the protected routers themselves. Take note that the wireless links were barely effected, it was the router 2 hops away (Dual XEON) that got over loaded the most. Our routers have been tested to pass over 2 gbps of throughput easilly. And have been load tested to survive very small packets and high PPS adequately. The infected sub was bandwidth managed with HTB to 256k cir, 1 mbps mir, but not anything for PPS. So I'm looking for reasons that the CPU got overloaded. My theory is that the DOS attack resulted in a large number of disk writes, ( maybe logging?) causing the CPU saturation. I've had a hard time locating the cause. And have not discovered which virus yet, although I should have more info soon from my clients. So my question What needs to be done on a Linux machine to harden it, to protect against CPU oversaturation, during DOS attacks? What should and shouldn't be logged? Connection Tracking? Firewall logging? Traffic stats? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Jon, okay, I'm no engineer. But what about the BUSINESS?
Gents: Funny watching all of this go back and forth- I think since it started we have installed another 10-12 VL's for our customers. I really don't know how you guys find the time to keep up with this. You all can argue the merits of the technical abilities of the different products but what really make the count for us is REVENUE- Revenue pays the bills and keeps the whole ship afloat. Now when I say revenue I don't mean enough for me to take a check and go to the grocery. I mean enough revenue to hire the proper staff, (so I don't have to work 80 hours per week), revenue to rent a real office, revenue to pay full benefits like health care and 401K, revenue to pay for training, revenue to purchase network management so we can keep an eye on the network, revenue so we can take a few days off and attend industry trade shows and seminars, etc etc. So if you set aside your technical dream solution hat (I am an engineer by training too) and instead put on your revenue hat you will see things with a different light. A solution is not revenue focused if it does not scale your customer base beyond the grocery store check. Scale means the products allow you to install LOTS of customer without each one being a science project. Scale means you have a VERY LOW failure rate. Scale means the solution fits a majority of your desired customers. Scale means you have all of the tools needed to prevent your customers from abusing you or your other customers. Scale means you can hand the product to a contractor and it will get installed without a major effort. Scaling means..etc etc... A solution that scales also comes with REAL support. A real account manager and a real SE- not to mention marketing. Can you really expect your network to keep up with/grow to your needs if your sole source of product information and future direction is a WEB site? When was the last time a Trango EMPLOYEE asked for your feedback? We have installed well over 1000 VL's and close to 1900 total customers, almost all using Alvarion products. We started with Wifi, Trango, MOTO etc but in the end the Alavarion product line was the most focused on revenue and the only solution that allowed us to scale. Today our customers are VERY happy and our network performs excellently. We have a very LOW turnover (almost none) and our monthly AR is also very low. I learned long time ago that happy customers pay their bills and unhappy ones, well you know what happens. So in summary the VL's and (Alvarion products) may not have every version of every possible bell and whistle but if you decide to really make a big play (scale) you can't go wrong with Alvarion and their team. BTW-I have the revenue to prove it! Marty Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Jon, okay, I'm no engineer. But what about the BUSINESS? Sigh. Jon, I'm really not sure why you beat that drum when examples exist all around that show it is not true. In fact, no tier 1 or 2 operator that deploys in the 5GHz unlicensed bands (i.e. operators that tend to do lengthy trials, comparisons) that I know of has fallen for that argument either, at least not for long. Many WISPs also know better. It is only a few Canopy-based WISPs who continue to believe that GPS is required in the UL bands. Could it be because they have to use it to get Canopy to scale so they can't imagine how other systems could scale well without it? As for the non-engineer part, it seems Jon that you'd benefit from some wider non-technical thinking. What about the business? Here are some BUSINESS-minded things to think about: - What about an operator that does not want to be stranded by being limited in their service offering, such as one that would like to do scaled VoIP? BreezeACCESS VL can scale VoIP very well where other systems struggle with only minimal users. Canopy Advantage's VoIP scaling abilities are there for all to see in Motorola's own white paper -- 26-28 simultaneous calls per AP only, and that's with a 50% uplink/downlink configuration. VL can do 10x that and that all equates to revenue potential. - What about the LOS-limited coverage of Canopy that might require 2 or more times the towers to get the same coverage as one cell of VL? Even cell for cell, CAPEX is now similar between brands, but VL produces about 2x the geographic coverage. Canopy requires more cells (i.e. higher OPEX due to more cell leases and more sectors to maintain) and needs more premium sites. - And that's not counting the customer accessibility -- even within the exact same geography, VL can see many more of the potential customers than can Canopy. - And what about cell capacity? Using the same channel sizes, Canopy needs 2x the sectors to get still 15% less
[WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
Well we got our 1st 100 pack of VL Su's under the Comnet program yesterday- Just wanted you all to know they are the EXACT same radios as before the big price drop- Same high quality metal radio and still INCLUDES the mounting hardware AND the pre-made cat5 outdoor cable (60ft long)- the cable is worth more then you can imagine- the RJ45 plug is already factory terminated and properly shielded so your installers don't have to do that up on the roof and you don't have to worry about a bad connector later. We have deployed a LOT of these radios already and I can tell you this is a great price. I'm looking forward to Alvarion extending this program to other products. (Patrick...) Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
And I can assure you they don't leak. The secret to having your installers get 3 installs done per day is that cable. As a rule of thumb, 98% of the installs should be done in such a way that that 60ft of cable is enough to get inside to the router-If you have a guy running hundreds of feet of cable on each job they will take all day and they won't get 3 installs done. Factory terminated means I never have to worry about the installers ability to properly ground the shield on the cable on the roof. (or if he missed it). I know a lot of WISP don't even bother to use a properly shielded cable but we think it's important. It all adds up to $$$ Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived Hi Brad, The cable we supply with the VL product is terminated following the ANSI/EIA/TIA 568-B2 standard. We pre-terminate the cable in an effort to speed the installation process. The design of the weatherproof boot is intentional to provide an impervious seal from the elements. Having installed more of these radios than I can count in previous roles, I admit learning another color code can be daunting. But it is only eight conductors. When done properly it tests the same as any other straight cable. Happy Holidays! Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived Yep, the cable is pre-terminated in some odd non-code compliant pin configuration. Oh, and pre-terminated due to the fact that the RJ45 connector doesn't fit through the weather seal! Just about a millimeter too small! When are you guys going to start using the standard 568A or 568B pin color code and enlarge that weather seal so a RJ45 connector fits through it? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived Thanks for the validation Marty. I suspect that some might have thought there was a catch. I almost forgot that the cable was pre-terminated. That's one of the things we don't highlight enough -- VL CPE does not require hidden extra things to buy like power supplies, cable, connectors, mounting kits, and certainly not antennas. So what's the impact overall to you business model under the AlvarionCOMNET program? Pat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:48 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived Well we got our 1st 100 pack of VL Su's under the Comnet program yesterday- Just wanted you all to know they are the EXACT same radios as before the big price drop- Same high quality metal radio and still INCLUDES the mounting hardware AND the pre-made cat5 outdoor cable (60ft long)- the cable is worth more then you can imagine- the RJ45 plug is already factory terminated and properly shielded so your installers don't have to do that up on the roof and you don't have to worry about a bad connector later. We have deployed a LOT of these radios already and I can tell you this is a great price. I'm looking forward to Alvarion extending this program to other products. (Patrick...) Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Easy way to remember the color code is (this is really old days) Bell- Blue Operators-Orange Give-Green Bad- Brown Service- Slate While- White Running- Red Backwards- Black You- Yellow Vomit- Violet If you can remember that you can break down any cable- even the big ones with thousands of pairs... Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 telecom 25 pair color code tip White Red Black Yellow Violet ring Blue Orange Green Brown Slate so it would look like this... w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know if the slate pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated. If not, then you simply ignore that pair. Anyhow, for larger count cables. Each 25 pair group should be wrapped with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored binder string. The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown and slate accordingly. and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
