from:"Matt"

Well that’s what I mean. I need to look at everything when we go to make our 
change. 

Just looking at the surface it’s like $58/month. 

If it’s several hundred I’ll probably move everything. 

I do like the simplicity of stripe and the app makes it very easy to see what’s 
going on. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 20:05, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> 30c per transaction too.  Which is ironic that you're not complaining about ;P
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2018 8:01 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 2.6% vs 2.9%. 
>> 
>> Plus stripe doesn’t have 10,000 fees
>> 
>> Compliance fees
>> Government fees
>> PCI fees
>> Parking lot restriping fees
>> 
>> We are about to re do our entire billing system. I’ll run the numbers and 
>> let you know. 
>> 
>> It appears to be a difference of about $58 per month that using stripe costs 
>> me. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:48, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Depends how much revenue you do.  The difference of what I'm paying versus 
>>> what the website said would be for me.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2018 7:47 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Josh. Stripe isn’t that much more than ippay
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:18, Artie Darrell <artiedarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt sorry trying to catch up on this (long) thread.. What's your 
>>>>> recommendation? 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018 8:11 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Takes two minutes to setup. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Very easy to review info from their app. Web interface is very easy to 
>>>>>> use. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:04, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe 
>>>>>>> like the people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you 
>>>>>>> could, but...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user 
>>>>>>> friendly web and app. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its 
>>>>>>> job. But it’s not pretty. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad 
>>>>>>> more. But it’s way better, IMHO. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans <jev...@pennwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly 
>>>>>>> IMHO.  Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues 
>>>>>>> with it other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
>>>>>>> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

2.6% vs 2.9%. 

Plus stripe doesn’t have 10,000 fees

Compliance fees
Government fees
PCI fees
Parking lot restriping fees

We are about to re do our entire billing system. I’ll run the numbers and let 
you know. 

It appears to be a difference of about $58 per month that using stripe costs 
me. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:48, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Depends how much revenue you do.  The difference of what I'm paying versus 
> what the website said would be for me.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2018 7:47 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> Josh. Stripe isn’t that much more than ippay
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:18, Artie Darrell <artiedarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Matt sorry trying to catch up on this (long) thread.. What's your 
>>> recommendation? 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2018 8:11 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Takes two minutes to setup. 
>>>> 
>>>>  Very easy to review info from their app. Web interface is very easy to 
>>>> use. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:04, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe like 
>>>>> the people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you could, 
>>>>> but...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> 
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Brothers WISP
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>>> 
>>>>> Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user 
>>>>> friendly web and app. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its 
>>>>> job. But it’s not pretty. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. 
>>>>> But it’s way better, IMHO. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans <jev...@pennwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly 
>>>>> IMHO.  Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues 
>>>>> with it other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
>>>>> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers 
>>>>> pay monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  
>>>>> uses Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt 
>>>>> with transaction number, etc. to the Email address the customer provides. 
>>>>>  I also receive a copy, which is automatically sent to a folder that is 
>>>>> only used in case there is a catastrophic failure of something and all 
>>>>> billing records get lost.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send 
>>>>> the receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I 
>>>>> must manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site. 
>>>>>  This is cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the 
>>>>> customer name in my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them 
>>>>> but it is good to know they are there.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
>>>>> Unfortunately they started billing me a mo

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Josh. Stripe isn’t that much more than ippay

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:18, Artie Darrell <artiedarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Matt sorry trying to catch up on this (long) thread.. What's your 
> recommendation? 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2018 8:11 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> Takes two minutes to setup. 
>> 
>>  Very easy to review info from their app. Web interface is very easy to use. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:04, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe like 
>>> the people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you could, 
>>> but...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>> 
>>> Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user 
>>> friendly web and app. 
>>> 
>>> IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its job. 
>>> But it’s not pretty. 
>>> 
>>> Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. 
>>> But it’s way better, IMHO. 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans <jev...@pennwisp.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly IMHO.  
>>> Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues with it 
>>> other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
>>> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers 
>>> pay monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
>>> Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction 
>>> number, etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a 
>>> copy, which is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case 
>>> there is a catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get 
>>> lost.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send 
>>> the receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must 
>>> manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This 
>>> is cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer 
>>> name in my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is 
>>> good to know they are there.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
>>> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
>>> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  
>>> It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
>>> probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
>>> believe this is not an option of theirs!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org   
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. 
>>> Stripe absolutely is more expensive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.o

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Takes two minutes to setup. 

 Very easy to review info from their app. Web interface is very easy to use. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:04, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe like the 
> people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you could, but...
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user friendly 
> web and app. 
> 
> IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its job. 
> But it’s not pretty. 
> 
> Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. But 
> it’s way better, IMHO. 
> 
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans <jev...@pennwisp.com> wrote:
> 
> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly IMHO.  
> Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues with it 
> other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>  
> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
> monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
> Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
> etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a copy, 
> which is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
> catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost.
>  
> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
> receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must 
> manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This is 
> cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in 
> my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to 
> know they are there.
>  
> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  
> It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>  
> If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
> probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
> believe this is not an option of theirs!
>  
> Ralph
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>  
> I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
> absolutely is more expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> Agreed!
>  
>  
> Josh Richesin
> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
> j...@surelinebroadband.com
> www.surelinebroadband.com
> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
> Madras, OR 97741
>  
>  
> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Brett A Mansfield 
> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>  
> Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
> configure, manage, use, etc.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Only 50% higher, geez.
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> 
> wrote:
> Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> In

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user friendly 
web and app. 

IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its job. But 
it’s not pretty. 

Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. But 
it’s way better, IMHO. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans  wrote:
> 
> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly IMHO.  
> Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues with it 
> other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
>> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>>  
>> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers 
>> pay monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
>> Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction 
>> number, etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a 
>> copy, which is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case 
>> there is a catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get 
>> lost.
>>  
>> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
>> receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must 
>> manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This 
>> is cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name 
>> in my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good 
>> to know they are there.
>>  
>> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
>> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
>> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  
>> It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>>  
>> If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
>> probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
>> believe this is not an option of theirs!
>>  
>> Ralph
>>  
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>  
>> I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
>> absolutely is more expensive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> From: "Josh Richesin" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>> 
>> Agreed!
>>  
>>  
>> Josh Richesin
>> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
>> j...@surelinebroadband.com
>> www.surelinebroadband.com
>> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
>> Madras, OR 97741
>>  
>>  
>> From:  on behalf of Brett A Mansfield 
>> 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>  
>> Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
>> configure, manage, use, etc.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Only 50% higher, geez.
>> 
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>> Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>> 
>> I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
>> free ACH now.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett  
>>   wrote:
>> 
>> Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> From: "Josh Richesin" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>> 
>> Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that 
>> with tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

We use stripe and ippay in our network. Hands down I prefer Stripe. IPPay gets 
the job done - but it is cumbersome, not flexible and requires a root canal and 
DNA check to get setup. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 11:46, ralph  wrote:
> 
> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>  
> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
> monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
> Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
> etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a copy, 
> which is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
> catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost.
>  
> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
> receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must 
> manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This is 
> cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in 
> my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to 
> know they are there.
>  
> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  
> It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>  
> If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
> probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
> believe this is not an option of theirs!
>  
> Ralph
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>  
> I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
> absolutely is more expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Josh Richesin" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> Agreed!
>  
>  
> Josh Richesin
> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
> j...@surelinebroadband.com
> www.surelinebroadband.com
> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
> Madras, OR 97741
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of Brett A Mansfield 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>  
> Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
> configure, manage, use, etc.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Only 50% higher, geez.
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
> Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
> free ACH now.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Josh Richesin" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that 
> with tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information 
> from all of the customers again.  The first point being more important than 
> the second.
>  
>  
> Josh Richesin
> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
> j...@surelinebroadband.com
> www.surelinebroadband.com
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> Madras, OR 97741
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>  
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Re: [WISPA] W9 Needed

2017-12-15 Thread Matt Hoppes

Have I done business with you?

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 20:36, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> To who??
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2017 8:29 PM, "Alan Belvo"  wrote:
>> Greetings, We need a W-9 completed for our payments to you.  Please let me 
>> know if you have any questions.
>> 
>> 
>> You can use our bookkeeper's secure online form at 
>> https://www.singletrackbookkeeping.com/w9/
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Alan Belvo
>> ZIRKEL Wireless 
>> Internet for Northwest Colorado
>> 970-871-8500 x101  office
>> 970-846-8060  mobile
>> 866-903-4628  fax
>> www.zirkelwireless.com
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Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum

2017-12-06 Thread Matt Hoppes

Do you really think this is going to do anything though? It's very easy to post 
something like this on Facebook, but I feel like it really doesn't have any 
actual affect.

Kind of like some of the protesters we've seen in recent months and years where 
you have to ask yourself it's great that you have an opinion but is your 
protest really doing anything.

> On Dec 6, 2017, at 09:02, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> You all screamed a month ago when the CBRS order came out and wanted to do 
> something about it.   NOW IS THE TIME, and very few of you are participating. 
>   Please follow the instructions below.   
> 
> This isn’t that difficult.  If you can’t figure it out, ask the youngest 
> person on your staff.
> 
> 
>   The FCC is laughing at us - they know they sucked all the air out of 
> the room with Network Neutrality and they intentionally timed the publication 
> and comment deadlines for CBRS to bury them in the NN controversy and the 
> holidays.   And it’s working for them.
> 
> 
> PLEASE post comments on your business and/or personal accounts on Twitter, 
> Facebook, and/or LinkedIn in support of CBRS.
> 
>  
> 1)Be part of our Twitter campaign: Take a clear picture of a rural or 
> small-town location near you that could be better served with fixed wireless 
> and CBRS spectrum. Upload it to your social media account with language like 
> the following. Be sure to tag WISPA, your Members of Congress, and the White 
> House.
> 
>  
> Please keep it professional and do not criticize any FCC commissioners or 
> other government officials; we need their support! You can identify your 
> Members of Congress by visiting www.House.gov or www.Senate.gov, and their 
> social media links will be listed on their websites.
> 
>  
> Twitter (no more than 280 characters):
> 
>  
> Dear @FCC: Here’s another area at risk of never getting broadband service if 
> you change the #CBRS rules to favor big mobile carriers. Insert rural photo 
> https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
> @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> Calling all WISPA members, WISP customers, and allies: Help us tell @FCC that 
> the current #CBRS rules are helping to close the rural broadband gap and 
> should not be tinkered with! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of 
> Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> Dear @FCC: Don’t sink our hopes for rural broadband; keep the #CBRS rules! 
> https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
> @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> Attention @FCC: Don't take away rural consumers' best hope for finally 
> closing the broadband gap! Keep the #CBRS rules! https://goo.gl/TKczyK 
> [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> Hey @FCC -- Don’t leave rural areas behind by changing the #CBRS rules to 
> favor the big mobile companies! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of 
> Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> In the #CBRS spectrum band, census-tract-sized PAL licenses are crucial for 
> bringing broadband internet to rural customers. https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert 
> your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews @FCC
> 
>  
> Facebook and LinkedIn:
> 
>  
> Dear @FCC: Don’t leave rural areas like mine behind by changing the #CBRS 
> rules to favor the big mobile companies! @Your-member-of-Congress: Please let 
> FCC know your views! More info at WISPA.org: https://goo.gl/TKczyK
> 
>  
> Any of the above options will work as well.
> 
>  
>  
> 2)The “easy way”:  Follow WISPA on these networks, watch for our posts, 
> and then “like,” “retweet,” “share,” etc. We will be using the hashtag #CBRS. 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 3)Down the road, we will ask you to contact your U.S. House and U.S. 
> Senate members; be prepared to draft your company’s official comments to the 
> FCC; and sign on to WISPA’s industry letters to the FCC and/or Congress. Stay 
> tuned!
> 
>  
>  
> 
> FOR MORE INFORMATION: 
> 
> · Jimmy Carr, Chair of WISPA’s Legislative Committee, jc...@wispa.org
> 
> · Mark Radabaugh, Chair of WISPA’s FCC Committee, m...@amplex.net  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Major X-Class Solar Flare

2017-09-06 Thread Matt Hoppes

Yawn

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 16:26, Nick Bright  wrote:
> 
> http://www.spaceweather.com/
> 
> GEOMAGNETIC STORM WATCH (G3-CLASS): A CME hurled toward Earth by sunspot 
> AR2673 on Sept.4th is due to arrive later today. NOAA forecasters say the 
> CME's impact could spark moderately-strong G2-class geomagnetic storms with 
> isolated periods of strong G3-class storming on Sept. 6th and 7th. 
> High-latitude sky watchers should be alert for auroras in bright moonlight. 
> Free: Aurora Alerts
> 
> MAJOR X-CLASS SOLAR FLARE: On Sept. 6th at 1202 UT, sunspot AR2673 unleashed 
> a major X9.3-class solar flare--the strongest solar flare in more than a 
> decade. X-rays and UV radiation from the blast ionized the top of Earth's 
> atmosphere, causing a strong shortwave radio blackout over Europe, Africa and 
> the Atlantic Ocean: blackout map.
> 
> Analysis is still underway but this event may have directed a large CME 
> towards earth. A direct CME strike from an X9 class flare could cause a G5+ 
> geomagnetic storm; which could cause 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_storm#Geomagnetic_storm_effects
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Need 10Mb service Washington, DC

2017-07-18 Thread Matt Hoppes

Can you summarize these needs into one email please?

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Scott Carullo  wrote:
> 
> Hot me off list if you can service thanks
> 
> 106 Air Cargo Road
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs

2017-05-12 Thread Matt Hoppes

Ummm. We are exclusively  excluded. You even highlighted it. 

> On May 12, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Mitch  wrote:
> 
> Looks like all installers will have to be licensed Electricians
> for everything and anything that connects to a power source
> Am I reading wrong?
> 
> 
> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
>  
> 90.2 Scope.
> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical 
> conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, 
> equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways for the 
> following:
> (1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile 
> homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings
> (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations
> (3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply of 
> electricity
> (4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office buildings, 
> warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, that are not 
> an integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control center
> (B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:
> (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings, railway 
> rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than mobile homes and 
> recreational vehicles
> Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that the Code 
> does not cover installations in ships, portions of this Code are incorporated 
> by reference into Title 46, Code of
> Federal Regulations, Parts 110–113.
> (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile surface 
> mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable
> (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, transmission, 
> energy storage, or distribution of power used exclusively for operation of 
> rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling and 
> communications purposes
> (4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control of 
> communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used 
> exclusively for such installations
> (5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility where 
> such installations
> a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and associated metering, or
> b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the purpose of 
> communications, metering, generation, control, transformation, transmission, 
> energy storage, or distribution of electric energy, or
> c. Are located in legally established easements or rights-of-way, or
> d. Are located by other written agreements either designated by or recognized 
> by public service commissions, utility commissions, or other regulatory 
> agencies having jurisdiction for such installations. These written agreements 
> shall be limited to installations for the purpose of communications, 
> metering, generation, control, transformation, transmission, energy storage, 
> or distribution of electric energy where legally established easements or 
> rights-of-way cannot be obtained. These installations shall be limited to 
> federal lands, Native American reservations through the U.S. Department of 
> the Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs, military bases, lands controlled by 
> port authorities and state agencies and departments, and lands owned by 
> railroads.
> Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include those 
> entities that are typically designated or recognized by governmental law or 
> regulation by public service/utility commissions and that install, operate, 
> and maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, or 
> distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,
> Internet, satellite, or data services). Utilities may be subject to 
> compliance with codes and standards covering their regulated activities as 
> adopted under governmental law or regulation.
> Additional information can be found through consultation with the appropriate 
> governmental bodies, such as state regulatory commissions, the Federal Energy 
> Regulatory Commission, and the Federal Communications Commission.
> (C) Special Permission. The authority having jurisdiction for enforcing this 
> Code may grant exception for the installation of conductors and equipment 
> that are not under the exclusive control of the electric utilities and are 
> used to connect the electric utility supply system to the service conductors 
> of the premises served, provided such installations are outside a building or 
>   structure, or terminate inside at a readily accessible location nearest 
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Matt

F/B ratio is critical when doing ABAB channel reuse even with sync.  I
imagine the 450m spec sheet states the F/B.



On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote:
>> Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to
>> increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?
>>
>
>
> The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since
> they will all TX at the same time.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Someone has to be in the market for good quality 5ghz dual pol sectors

2017-02-27 Thread Matt Hoppes

What kind of connector?

Do they have a mount for Ubiquiti?

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 11:00, Scott Carullo  wrote:
> 
> I have pallets of them lol - I was supposed to be able to use some and sell 
> some.  Plan not working so well 
>  
> KP Performance 5Ghz Dual Polarity Sectors PN: KPPA-5GHZDP 120S  (5GHz 120 
> degree 16.3 dBi Dual Pol Sector GEN III)
>  
> Any reasonable offer...  and maybe even an unreasonable one gets you some 
> antennas.  Help a brother out !!!
>  
> Hit me off list
>  
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Re: [WISPA] Procera vs Sandive

2017-02-15 Thread Matt Hoppes

I see no one replied.  I don't know the cost of Sandvine. @Paging Jeff 
Broadwick.  

Procera ends up being around ridiculously cheap when I looked at them 
just a few days ago... like so cheap I'm stupid not to do it.

On 2/12/17 7:29 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
> How much does Procera and Sandive cost for WISP deployements? How are
> these products priced, and where do they fit into the network? Which of
> the two vendors has the better solution for WISPs, FTTH, and DSL
> networks? Is one more focused on the WISP market than the other?
>
> Do you deploy either of these two solutions? Would you deploy them again
> if you were building from the ground up? Are there technologies required
> when bandwidth is cheap, and the access network (GPON for example) has
> little to no congestion?
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Re: [WISPA] Bundle With Dish Network TV??

2017-02-14 Thread Matt Hoppes

The deal killer so far for us has been needing transport to real choice instead 
of being able to use the Internet to deliver. 

Also the quality has not been the greatest in the demos we've seen. 

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 17:41, Brian Young  wrote:
> 
> Jan, CTI is an acronym for ConVergence Technologies, Inc.  I will have an 
> account manager reach out off list.
> 
> thank you
> 
> 
> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge.
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Jan-OOLLC 
> Date: 2/14/17 5:20 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bundle With Dish Network TV??
> 
> Been trying to make contact with Real Choice, they don't seem to call back.  
> It's a matter of adding 5-6Mbps to the client?  Is an additional server 
> needed?  Who is CTI?
> Jan Van Kort
> 
> Manager: Oregon Online, LLC
> 
> PO Box 71, Coquille, OR 97423
> 
> Office: 541-435-0509, Cell: 541-404-7001
> 
> 
> 
>> On 02/14/2017 01:31 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> They just can't stop marketing to your customers.  Once you give them Dish 
>> Satellite, they will bundle in other services in the bills and continually 
>> blast them with commercials on all the channels they serve, including gift 
>> card offers, etc.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> The price includes support with server plus...so them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:41 AM RickG  wrote:
 Who supports it, you or them?

 On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 Hi William,

 The HD stream on realchoicetv uses about 5-6mbps which is about the same 
 as Netflix and Hulu.  We really didn't need to "budget" any more bandwidth 
 capacity because our clients are already streaming video.  

 As for costs contact CTI they are doing the sales for realchoice and they 
 can give you their pricing.  

 We figure we'll be able to add at least $25 more/mo net revenue per sub to 
 our bottom line.  

 -Sean

 On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:14 AM William C Bardwell  
 wrote:
 Sean,

 I have given this some thought for our network. What type of speeds and 
 network capacity have to penciled in for your network? What is the cost?

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 Other operators have complained that the harvest your client list and 
 advertise heavily to get them to use DSL.  I've personally never sold 
 satellite tv so I can't say that is true myself.

 We are about to deploy RealchoiceTV which is Over the top (OTT) live 
 streaming TV with local channels.  They are a WISPA member.

 -Sean

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:34 PM Scott Pope  
 wrote:
 Hello All,

 We have been contacted by Dish Network TV regarding the "Opportunity" to 
 bundle with them and their Satellite TV product.  The representative has 
 told me that they have partnered with many other WISP's in other areas of 
 the country.  I was wondering if any other Operators had any success or 
 failure stories to share?  I am cautiously optimistic of the idea.  I am 
 just looking for feedback.

 Thank You in Advance!

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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

2017-01-26 Thread Matt Hoppes

I'm a bit at a loss. These are line of sight frequencies. How is this easier 
than running a cheapfiber drop to the customer home?

Isn't most of the cost on FTTH related to getting he fiber to the street and on 
the poles?

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 23:49, Clay Stewart 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Put my money on microcells, all,the rage for cities.
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM Marco Coelho  wrote:
>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber 
>> Deployment.  
>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have adopted a 
>> fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the connectivity being 
>> wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have not been provided, but 
>> that is apparently their new model.  They have sold their copper plant in 
>> Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.   Interesting times.
>> 
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[WISPA] How long?

2016-12-12 Thread Matt Hoppes

Does one's WISPA membership need to be expired before the yearly cycle 
resets?

Example:  Account expired on 09/2016.  WISP just renewed now.  It shows 
it expiring 09/2017 instead of 12/2017.

How does one "roll the date" so to speak, like you can do with your 
inspection/etc to get it in sync with another date (e.g. license plate 
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Re: [WISPA] Cybermonday deals?

2016-11-28 Thread Matt Hoppes

Yes. I'm asking customers to pay us $5 for no reason. 

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:05, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyone doing Cybermonday deals? 
> 
> here’s ours:
> 
> http://www.aeronetpr.com/cybermonday/
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
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Re: [WISPA] captive portal software

2016-10-08 Thread Matt Hoppes

Mikrotik?

> On Oct 8, 2016, at 18:54, David Funderburk  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend a solid captive portal software for WIFI networks? Open 
> source is preferred but not required.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Funderburk
> GlobalVision
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Re: [WISPA] Safety One Tower Training

2016-10-08 Thread Matt Hoppes

Who do you get certified as when done?

How does it compare to CommTrain certification any idea?

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 8, 2016, at 5:59 PM, Dustin Stock <dst...@aristotle.net> wrote:
> 
> I went to their course last year. It's basic climbing and rescue training. So 
> first half of day is going over easy course materials and testing and last 
> half is the basic climbing and rescue mentioned above
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Matt Hoppes (Wireless Ninja Lists) 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone here taken the safety one tower training course?  What should be 
>> expected for the one day tower course?
>> 
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[WISPA] Safety One Tower Training

2016-10-08 Thread Matt Hoppes (Wireless Ninja Lists)

Has anyone here taken the safety one tower training course?  What should be 
expected for the one day tower course?

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[WISPA] Rides from airport

2016-10-08 Thread Matt Hoppes

Anyone wanting to take Lyft from the airport to the hotel can use my ID to get 
a credit which should equal a free ride (or close to it). 

You must be a new Lyft signup. 

If you prefer Uber : matth11462ue

https://lyft.com/igi/MATT601196

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[WISPA] Lyft from airport

2016-10-02 Thread Matt Hoppes

Anyone wanting to take Lyft from the airport to the hotel can use my ID to get 
a credit which should equal a free ride (or close to it). 

You must be a new Lyft signup. 

https://lyft.com/igi/MATT601196

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[WISPA] Announcement/Marketing List

2016-09-30 Thread Matt Hoppes

To whomever is responsible:

The way messages are being moderated/sent-out for the announcement list 
is really destroying my inbox.  I'm getting messages coming in that are 
marked two and three days in the past because that's when the vendor 
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

I saw beverages there. But didn't see Mimosas. Guess I missed them. 

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 16:39, Fred Goldstein <f...@interisle.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/29/2016 4:21 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> And you still haven't offered Mimosas, Jaime... I feel like you're
>> missing an opportunity here.
> 
> You must have missed, or been late for, the WISPAPALOOZA 2014 product 
> announcement.
> 
>> 
>>> On 9/29/16 4:20 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>>> Mimosa's open event where we'll cover all our new things and talk
>>> multipoint will be Monday 2-4PM at the Rio, Palma Room, no RSVP needed.
>>> 
>>> Booze is officially separate from business ;)
>>> 
>>> Jaime
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Matt Hoppes
>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok. That as one way to ask the question. Lol
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:30, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com
>>>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Wheres the booze
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf of Josh Luthman
>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> *//*
>>>>> 
>>>>> */Gino Villarini/*
>>>>> 
>>>>> President
>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org
>>>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 3:25 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those are just training, I think he's after the typical Ubnt Cambium
>>>>> and Mimosa announcement deals.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Trina Coffey <tr...@wispa.org
>>>>> <mailto:tr...@wispa.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> All of the events that I was made aware of are listed here:
>>>>> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
>>>>> <http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Trina Coffey
>>>>> Director of Operations
>>>>> WISPA
>>>>> 260-622-5775  direct
>>>>> 866-317-2851 ext. 102 <tel:866-317-2851%20ext.%20102> (US only)
>>>>> 530-227-6696  cell
>>>>> www.wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org
>>>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I
>>>>> believe Monday
>>>>> several vendors have some events going on, or the events
>>>>> happening in the
>>>>> evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

And you still haven't offered Mimosas, Jaime... I feel like you're 
missing an opportunity here.

On 9/29/16 4:20 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:
> Mimosa's open event where we'll cover all our new things and talk
> multipoint will be Monday 2-4PM at the Rio, Palma Room, no RSVP needed.
>
> Booze is officially separate from business ;)
>
> Jaime
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Matt Hoppes
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>
>> Ok. That as one way to ask the question. Lol
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:30, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com
>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wheres the booze
>>>
>>> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf of Josh Luthman
>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>>>
>>> *//*
>>>
>>> */Gino Villarini/*
>>>
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 3:25 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>>>
>>> Those are just training, I think he's after the typical Ubnt Cambium
>>> and Mimosa announcement deals.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Trina Coffey <tr...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:tr...@wispa.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All of the events that I was made aware of are listed here:
>>> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
>>> <http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Trina Coffey
>>> Director of Operations
>>> WISPA
>>> 260-622-5775  direct
>>> 866-317-2851 ext. 102 <tel:866-317-2851%20ext.%20102> (US only)
>>> 530-227-6696  cell
>>> www.wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org>
>>>
>>> Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On
>>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>>>
>>> Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I
>>> believe Monday
>>> several vendors have some events going on, or the events
>>> happening in the
>>> evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

Ok. That as one way to ask the question. Lol

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:30, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> 
> Wheres the booze  
> 
> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 3:25 PM
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
> 
> Those are just training, I think he's after the typical Ubnt Cambium and 
> Mimosa announcement deals.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Trina Coffey <tr...@wispa.org> wrote:
>> All of the events that I was made aware of are listed here:
>> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
>> 
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> 
>> Trina Coffey
>> Director of Operations
>> WISPA
>> 260-622-5775 direct
>> 866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only)
>> 530-227-6696 cell
>> www.wispa.org
>> 
>> Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>> 
>> Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I believe Monday
>> several vendors have some events going on, or the events happening in the
>> evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

Correct. I know they were announced. I'm just trying to organize my schedule. 

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:25, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Those are just training, I think he's after the typical Ubnt Cambium and 
> Mimosa announcement deals.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Trina Coffey <tr...@wispa.org> wrote:
>> All of the events that I was made aware of are listed here:
>> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
>> 
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> 
>> Trina Coffey
>> Director of Operations
>> WISPA
>> 260-622-5775 direct
>> 866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only)
>> 530-227-6696 cell
>> www.wispa.org
>> 
>> Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>> 
>> Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I believe Monday
>> several vendors have some events going on, or the events happening in the
>> evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

I don't see the things like receptions, etc that vendors are holding.

On 9/29/16 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> This?
>
> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/Programs/Agenda
>
>
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> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Matt Hoppes
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
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> Monday several vendors have some events going on, or the events
> happening in the evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I believe 
Monday several vendors have some events going on, or the events 
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Re: [WISPA] 13.4 canopy sw

2016-07-28 Thread Matt Hopkins

Radius authentication does not work. 13.4.1 is stable for us though.

On Jul 28, 2016 11:50 AM, "Marco Coelho"  wrote:

> Any negative issues with the 13.4 firmware for the pmp100 series
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-25 Thread Matt Hoppes

Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even approached 
the provisioned speed. 


> On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser"  wrote:
>> 
>> This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one 
>> without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'. 
>> What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe 
>> (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely), 
>> duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows), 
>> latency (?).  
>> So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable connection 
>> at the same single location.  
>> Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's 
>> the point ?
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
>>> Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in South 
>>> Carolina on Tuesday. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville, 
>>> SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and 
>>> Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the Baicells 
>>> Facebook page
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick Harnish
>>> 
>>> Director of WISP Markets
>>> 
>>> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>>> 
>>> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>>> 
>>> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>>> 
>>> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Daniel Mullen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:18 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> +1.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> >I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>> 
>>> >yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 
>>> 
>>> >soon.
>>> 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> >On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> 
>>> > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? 
>>> 
>>> > > Care to comment on/off list?
>>> 
>>> > >
>>> 
>>> > > Josh Luthman
>>> 
>>> > > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> 
>>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do it, 
which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
> 
> So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
> authentication.  Very cool.
> 
> Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to 
> the EPC.
> 
> However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from 
> the core for that to work.
> 
> How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because 
> I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective 
> as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user 
> traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic 
> be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the 
> EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect 
> to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as 
> well?
> 
> What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those 
> as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.
> 
> Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
> 
> UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
> 
> Things to test:
> 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
> 
> One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
> SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its 
> gateway and not to the core.
> 
> Matthew Carpenter
> Amarillo Wireless
> 806-316-5071
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Eh. VPN router.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> D

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I think Adair said he has?

Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:55, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have a 
> Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to Baicells 
> cloud core.
> 
> But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is interesting, 
> considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas where you are 
> counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the extra oomph, and 
> Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply aren't going to have 
> high subscriber density or demand and couldn't have justified a Compact to 
> begin with.  Have you actually tried pointing Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> He said "real" good ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

You can run your own EPC. It's a take your pick!!!

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:47, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote:
> 
> To the second point, Azure is supposed to be good stuff.  But to the first, 
> if your users can't authenticate...
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:03 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, 
> <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> He said "real" good ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't ha

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Shouldn't be. No. That aside. You can run your own core if you like. 

Hosted cores are very common in the cellular world. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 13:01, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>> 
>> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
>> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>> 
>> The other way around works great though.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>>> baicells EPC??
>>> 
>>> *gear spinning*
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>>> offs to other vendors.
>>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Eh. VPN router. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>> baicells EPC??
>> 
>> *gear spinning*
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>> offs to other vendors.
>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>> 
>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>  
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>> 
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
>>>>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> He said "real" good ;)
>  
> ----- Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P. 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> 
>> "Good"?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in 
>>>>>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>>>>>> reason."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Who said solid?  I said 8 miles NLOS. People assumed. Small forest somewhere in 
the path at 8 miles. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:43, Ian Fraser <ian_fra...@gozoom.ca> wrote:
> 
> Please Clarify what "8 miles NLOS means".  You can't do 8 miles of solid 
> foliage on 900M forget about 5Ghz there is simply no way that you have 8 
> solid miles of foliage and are getting a signal on 5Gig.
> 
>> On 6/18/2016 2:11 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume Bai 
>> will do just as well but modulate much better. 
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power 
>>> 
>>> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Adair Winter 
>>> <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
>>> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>> But that tree penetration do!
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer 
>>>>>>>>>>> that one.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume Bai 
will do just as well but modulate much better. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> 
> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power 
> 
> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Adair Winter 
> <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> But that tree penetration do!
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Is Telrad 4x4?  I know they talked about it but I thought they pulled it and 
were only doing 2x2?

Regardless. If you can get a -85 with Ubiquiti m5 I would expect slightly 
better with 3GHz, plus no noise, plus higher LTE sensitivity  and modulation. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:25, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> 
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> But that tree penetration do!
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

But that tree penetration do!

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> More than Ubiquiti?
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Relative terms :P
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>> <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
>>>>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

More than Ubiquiti?

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> Relative terms :P
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Good"?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
>>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>>>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>>>>>>> reason."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your res

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

As opposed to bad? :P. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in 
>>>>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>> today.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>>>>> reason."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
>>>>>>> <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>>>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>>>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well 
>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

True. It's good though. Real good. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>> 
>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
>>> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
>>> one I guess.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while 
>>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good 
>>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far 
>>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>>> 
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>>>>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>>>>> > soon.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  
>>>>>> >> Care
>>>>>> >> to comment on/off list?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> >> Suite 1337
>>>>>> >>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-17 Thread Matt Hoppes

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com> wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com>
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
> one I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net>
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>> 
>> By: Douglas Adams
>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because 
>> he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the 
>> dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But 
>> conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far 
>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>> 
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>> 
>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>>> > soon.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
>>>> >> to comment on/off list?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Josh Luthman
>>>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> >> Suite 1337
>>>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Surplus Waverider Gear

2016-06-17 Thread Matt Hoppes

I literally just threw stuff out. :(

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 17:09, Kevin Battersby  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for surplus Waverider equipment. It's getting a little long in 
> the 
> tooth but still serves some of our smallest and most remote communities.
> 
> In particular in order of preference the following is what would be of 
> interest:
> 
> CCU8000
> EUM8005 Indoor
> EUM8001 N-Connector
> EUM8000
> 
> Please feel free to contact me off list if you have some surplus or know of 
> any.
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-17 Thread Matt Hoppes

I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak 
yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 
soon.

On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
> to comment on/off list?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
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Re: [WISPA] 2 foot 5 GHz dishes

2016-06-14 Thread Matt

> What are my options besides the ever elusive Ubnt and missing Arc?

I always liked the ARC 2 footers with integrated radio mount and
available radome cover.  Is there a problem with them?
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

2015-01-10 Thread Matt Hoppes

Maybe. It was one of the first ever installed though. 



 On Jan 10, 2015, at 09:06, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 
 You must not get very heavy rains or just put it up yesterday.  :-p
 
 
 
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 10:42:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
 
 Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even
 de-modulate past 6x in rain.
 
 
 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312
 
 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
  good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. 
  
  On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com
  mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote:
  
  Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the
  front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it
  and degrade and possibly take down the link?
  
  Has anyone seen this 
  
  We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime
  
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Re: [WISPA] Software for network monitoring

Opennms is relatively easy to setup. 



 On Jan 9, 2015, at 17:11, Fabrizio Fiore Donati a...@2bite.net wrote:
 
 Hi all we have a network of about 200 wireless pop, each pop have about 8 
 devices, what software do you suggest to use for monitoring ?
 Wireless devices are a mix of mikrotik, ubiquity, cambium and siae 
 microelettronica. Switches are zte and cisco.
 
 Right now we use ipswitch whatsup gold but i'm looking for a valid 
 alternative.
 
 Anu suggestion ?
 
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even
de-modulate past 6x in rain.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
 good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. 
 
 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com
 mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote:
 
 Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the
 front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it
 and degrade and possibly take down the link?
 
 Has anyone seen this 
 
 We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime
 
 __ __
 
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 Network Administrator
 
 Bolt Internet
 
 928-717-BOLT Etx 112
 
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

That's right on... hmmm interesting.


On 1/9/15 11:48 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
 Mine is actually 2.77 miles and it at -60
 
 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
 
 What signal levels do you have on your 1.5 mile hop?
 
 On 1/9/15 11:44 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
  That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess.
  at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop.
 
  On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
  mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com 
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
 
  Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even
  de-modulate past 6x in rain.
 
 
  Matt Hoppes
  Director of Information Technology
  Indigo Wireless
  +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312
 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312
 
  On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
   good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area.
  
   On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark 
 rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com
 mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com
   mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com
 mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com
 wrote:
  
   Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned 
 that the
   front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick 
 to it
   and degrade and possibly take down the link?
  
   Has anyone seen this 
  
   We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 
 uptime
  
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

Not sure where you are physically

But I have a 1.5 mile and 2.7 mile airFiber link and have yet to have
either of them even modulate down beyond 6x through sticky wet snow.

On 1/9/15 11:28 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
 Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the
 front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and
 degrade and possibly take down the link?
 
 Has anyone seen this
 
 We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime
 
  
 
 Robert W Clark
 
 Network Administrator
 
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

What signal levels do you have on your 1.5 mile hop?

On 1/9/15 11:44 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
 That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess.
 at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop.
 
 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
 
 Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even
 de-modulate past 6x in rain.
 
 
 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312
 
 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
  good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area.
 
  On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com 
 mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com
  mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
  Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the
  front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it
  and degrade and possibly take down the link?
 
  Has anyone seen this 
 
  We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime
 
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Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

That was my initial thought =(

On 12/17/14, 1:52 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
 
 
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com   
 @aeronetpr
 
 
 
 From: ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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 Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
 
 Hi Gino - 
 
 Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be
 received in early to mid January.
 
 MSRP is $6k/link.
 
 Thanks,
 Ben
 
 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 Just got a email from UBNT
 
 AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1
 Gbps Fdx
 
 http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/
 
 No pricing or availability info, Ben?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

Working great at 3 miles here in PA.

On 12/17/14, 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
 
 On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
 timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:
 
 Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in the
 Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work about an mile or
 so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working 24Ghz airfiber
 to work in these types of weather climates?
 
 Tim
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
 
 and 50% more range...
  
 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds
 j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
 
 500Mbps technically :)
  
 
 On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
 
 
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com  
 @aeronetpr
 
 
  
  
 
 From: ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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 Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
 
  
 Hi Gino - 
 
 Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so
 units will be received in early to mid January.
 
 MSRP is $6k/link.
 
 Thanks,
 Ben
  
  
 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 Just got a email from UBNT
 
 AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish
 (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx
 
 http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/
 
 No pricing or availability info, Ben?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

Wait... why are you driving if you can't see past the hood of your car?

;-)

On 12/17/14, 2:34 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
 SWAG. In skywarn training we were always told that if you cant see past
 the hood of your car, that's 1 per hour or more.
 
 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 How are you guys measuring/finding the inch per hour rainfall?
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Adair Winter
 ada...@amarillowireless.net mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net
 wrote:
 
 The rains that have knocked ours our were 1 per hour.
 (certainly no less then .5/hr)
 
 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Jim Patient
 jpati...@linktechs.net mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:
 
 It takes a pretty hard rain before our 3.2 mile link fails
 over to the backup Mikrotik link.  It usually takes .3/hr
 to drop it out.  Light rain doesn't affect it as much as I
 expected.  Overall, I'm well pleased with it for the price. 
 
 
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 I agree with Gino.  $6K is a no brainer for me to jump to a
 licensed link.
 
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 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:05 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 
 
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
 
 __ __
 
 in the rain? my 2.7 miles link drops in anything but a
 drizzle. 
 
 __ __
 
 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Matt Hoppes
 mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
 
 Working great at 3 miles here in PA.
 
 On 12/17/14, 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
  Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
 
  On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
  timreichh...@hometowncable.net
 mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:
 
  Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I
 live in the
  Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work
 about an mile or
  so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working
 24Ghz airfiber
  to work in these types of weather climates?
 
  Tim
 

  
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
  Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
 
  and 50% more range...
 
  On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds
  j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
 mailto:j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
 wrote:
 
  500Mbps technically :)
 
 
  On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino
 Villarini
  g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
 mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
  Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
 
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com
 http://www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com
  @aeronetpr

Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

Have you noticed your signal levels IMPROVE when it's snowing?  I have,
and can't explain that..

On 12/17/14, 2:40 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:
 When I googled the rainiest places in the US, it doesn't show Alaska,
 But I laugh at the places they do show and how little of rain they get
 compared to us. Mine actually works better in snow.
 
 I use Airfiber without issues. Align you link correctly and don't push
 the limits and you should be fine.
 
 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:37 AM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca
 mailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote:
 
 True throughput and longer range, plus a metal dish means real money.
 
 Daniel
 
 Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote ..
  Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
 
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com
  @aeronetpr
 
 
 
  From: ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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  Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
 
  Hi Gino -
 
  Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be 
 received in early
  to mid January.
 
  MSRP is $6k/link.
 
  Thanks,
  Ben
 
  On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
 mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
  wrote:
  Just got a email from UBNT
 
  AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps 
 Fdx
 
  http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/
 
  No pricing or availability info, Ben?
 
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
  @aeronetpr
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Need UPS recommendations

Only had experience with one about 8 years ago... we had to reset it
about once every few months.

On 12/1/14, 2:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
On 12/1/2014 1:56 PM, Bryce Duchcherer wrote:

We started using Alpha UPS’ and we have been happy with them.

You have to use your own batteries, but it’s nice that you’re not
locked down to proprietary batteries like you are with the likes of
APC and TrippLite.

TrippLite also has SNMP cards you can put in some of their UPS’ if you
are looking for a more complete UPS solution besides APC.

You might want to try out one of those SNMP cards on your system before
investing too much in them, or choosing on the basis that they exist.
Just sayin'

Bryce D

NETAGO

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*On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 11:12
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Need UPS recommendations

Something like that for a CPE setup would be nice. Powers the radio,
router and ATA (preferably at least some of those units are
integrated) for a few hours.

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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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*To: *Wispa wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 12:06:14 PM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Need UPS recommendations

Looking for a UPS with SNMP that can send me a loss of AC power alert
and power up the backhand radio for maybe 5-10 minutes. Worse case
scenario on the radio will 80 watts of draw at 110 vac.

Other option would be a basic ups and an external monitoring device.
Need something economical because I need to do about 50 sites.

Tnx

Bob

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Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage

CACTI


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 12/1/14, 3:49 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
 I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients bandwidth
 usage.
 Any suggestions?
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Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage

On a router

On 12/1/14, 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Create 100 simple queues.  Done.
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
 
 You want to run MRTG on a router?
 
 On 12/1/14, 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  Mikrotik is waaay easier and will be cheaper than Mikrotik + cacti
  assuming 0 cost of server.
 
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us 
 mailto:af...@zirkel.us
  mailto:af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
 
  Cacti
 
  Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install
  Linux and all the cacti software etc
 
 
  On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net 
 mailto:n...@ngl.net
  mailto:n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
 
  __
  I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients
  bandwidth usage.
  Any suggestions?
  Thanx
  NGL
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Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage

On a server?

On 12/1/14, 4:03 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Where else would you do it?
 
 
 
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:00:54 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage
 
 On a router
 
 On 12/1/14, 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Create 100 simple queues.  Done.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 You want to run MRTG on a router?

 On 12/1/14, 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  Mikrotik is waaay easier and will be cheaper than Mikrotik + cacti
  assuming 0 cost of server.
 
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
 mailto:af...@zirkel.us
  mailto:af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
 
  Cacti
 
  Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install
  Linux and all the cacti software etc
 
 
  On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
 mailto:n...@ngl.net
  mailto:n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
 
  __
  I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100
 clients
  bandwidth usage.
  Any suggestions?
  Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015

2014-11-12 Thread Matt Hoppes

Is there any more information on what exactly the FCC is proposing to
propose?  I know there was Title II thrown around

How would that impact us, or any other carrier?  Net neutrality is about
giving all packets equal access -- if I already do that, do I have
anything to fear?

I for one would love to see Net neutrality fall on its face, the big
ISPs start throtteling traffic, and just have customers driven to us
little guys who don't throttle.

On 11/11/14, 8:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 from:
 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/11/11/2345213/fcc-confirms-delay-of-new-net-neutrality-rules-until-2015
 
 /The Federal Communications Commission will abandon
 http://www.dailydot.com/politics/net-neutrality-fcc-tom-wheeler-delayed-obama/
  its earlier
 promise
 https://www.fcc.gov/blog/setting-record-straight-fcc-s-open-internet-rules 
 to
 make a decision on new net neutrality rules this year. Instead, FCC
 Press Secretary Kim Hart said, there will not be a vote on open
 internet rules on the December meeting agenda. That would mean rules
 would now be finalized in 2015. The FCC's confirmation of the delay
 came just as President Barack Obama launched a campaign
 http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/10/statement-president-net-neutrality
  to
 persuade the agency to reclassify broadband Internet service as a public
 utility./Opensource.com is also running an interview with a legal
 advisor at the FCC
 http://opensource.com/government/14/11/fcc-advisor-talks-net-neutrality.
 He says, There will be a burden on providers. The question is, 'Is that
 burden justified?' And I think our answer is 'Yes.'
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Re: [WISPA] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs

2014-11-11 Thread Matt Hoppes

A) don't fall
B) if you fall you are fired when your hand leaves the structure. 

That's our plan. :)

 On Nov 11, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
 
 Has anybody had one of these done before? Do you know any resources specific 
 to our industry that could help with this?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread Matt Hoppes

If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my 
worries. 

Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a waterproof 
CPE is necessary?

 On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
 
 ...links have 2 sides
  
 - Patrick
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
  
 My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
 
 On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
 
 Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
 the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. 
 It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you 
 need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can 
 cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? 
 Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust 
 protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you 
 complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP 
 rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond 
 its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of 
 dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the IP rating.
  
 First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
 other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP fifty-five, 
 but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  five five. Come again?!?
  
 Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
 solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
 liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
 with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
  
 image002.png
  
 image005.png
  
 Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
 are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts 
 the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls 
 and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. 
 Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. 
 Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water 
 because it was not designed not to.
  
 These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
 cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you 
 any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
 control.
  
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread Matt Hoppes

That's a valid purpose I has not thought of. Being a land lubber. 

 On Nov 8, 2014, at 4:46 PM, wi...@metrocom.ca wrote:
 
 We have many customers near the coast, and we have a pile of Canopy 100 900 
 MHz radios that rusted off their mounts due to corrosion. Another pile has 
 units where the Ethernet connectors essentially *rotted* because the 
 installers did not use silicon grease inside the units on the back of the 
 ethernet conenctors and polyphenyl ether on the connectors itself.
 
 So while waterproof may not be crucial, being rated and used for the 
 particular purpose is.
 
 
 Daniel Mullen
 Island Telecom
 
 Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote ..
 If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my 
 worries.
 
 Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a waterproof 
 CPE
 is necessary?
 
 On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
 
 ...links have 2 sides
 
 - Patrick
 
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf
 Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
 
 My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
 
 On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
 
 Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
 the
 meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It 
 matters,
 as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need to 
 use. Do
 you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause cracking 
 around
 connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a 
 crack
 like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near 
 the
 coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting 
 into your
 boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase 
 you may
 be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, 
 so
 in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the IP 
 rating.
 
 First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
 other.
 In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP fifty-five, but 
 rather
 is more appropriately thought of as IP  five five. Come again?!?
 
 Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter --
 solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
 liquid
 incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals with 
 mechanical
 tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
 
 image002.png
 
 image005.png
 
 Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
 are
 almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the 
 whole
 sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a 
 time
 sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices 
 with
 a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a 
 second
 number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not to.
 
 These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
 cable
 competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any 
 less
 serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your control.
 
 Regards,
 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-07 Thread Matt Hoppes

My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.

 On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
 
 Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
 the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. 
 It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you 
 need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can 
 cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? 
 Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust 
 protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you 
 complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP 
 rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond 
 its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of 
 dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the IP rating.
  
 First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
 other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP fifty-five, 
 but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  five five. Come again?!?
  
 Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
 solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
 liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
 with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
  
 image002.png
  
 image005.png
  
 Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
 are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts 
 the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls 
 and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. 
 Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. 
 Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water 
 because it was not designed not to.
  
 These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
 cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you 
 any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
 control.
  
 Regards,
  
 Patrick Leary
 National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
 M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP

2014-10-07 Thread Matt Hoppes

Interesting. I've never understood this. Why would I buy the Cambium product 
instead of the Ceragon product?

 On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820
 
 NO mention of Mimo though.. 
 
 
 
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 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com   
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Re: [WISPA] Get ready to support customers when it comes to internet slowdown Wednesday

2014-09-10 Thread Matt Hoppes

I'm not seeing this on any of the website???


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 9/9/14, 10:05 PM, Jeremy wrote:
 I'm putting up a message to contact the FCC and screening all
 callsthe voicemail answering equivalent of the perpetual loading
 screen.  Heheheh
 
 On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
 
 
 http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/09/tech/web/internet-slowdown-day/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 
 I can't wait for the phone to start ringing.
 -- 
 
 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Get ready to support customers when it comes to internet slowdown Wednesday

2014-09-10 Thread Matt

 I'm not seeing this on any of the website???

Saw it on Netflix.  Seems to link to here.

https://www.battleforthenet.com/?from=banner
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Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

2014-08-28 Thread Matt Brendle

KPP if for nothing else it comes with better jumpers.  KPP has N connectors on 
antenna and jumper to match up to RP-SMA on Rocket.  YMMV

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

 

Same radios but I had the opposite experience.  I had one at -35, maybe the RF 
armor requires both of those dumb machine screws to work.





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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Greg Osborn gregwosb...@gmail.com 
mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com  wrote:

UBNT to KPP straight up, kpp.  UBNT with armor vs KPP, we prefer UBNT
because of the extra horizontal separation required with KPP.  On a grainleg
platform, we've seen kpp sectors see one another at -30 or below, where UBNT
see one another in the -50's.  On a tower without standoffs and KPP, forget
it, you will have problems.

2.4 in 10mhz cw.


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On

Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

one obvious advantage with the KPP is that the connectors or all covered by
the shielding, so you eliminate any potential issues with water in the
connectors, and you can throw away that annoying cover on the Rocket over
the ethernet port.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of
Sam [w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com ]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

Mathew, these are for 2. GHz Rockets.

I was wondering about the shielding as well. Unless you're in an area with a
ton of interference...  But as was mentioned, the KP omni with the shielding
is the same price basically as the same UBNT model without it. I'm all about
using stuff that's included at no additional charge :)


On 8/28/2014 10:00, Mathew Howard wrote:
 I haven't used any KPP omnis, but I have used several different brands of
dual polarity omnis and I haven't really seen any notable difference in
performance between any of them.

 Are you looking at 2.4ghz or 5ghz?

 Is there really a lot of benefit to shielding the radio with an omni? it
seems somewhat pointless to me...
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
 [wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] on
 behalf of Sam [w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com ]
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

 That's a great point. Thank you Andy. How about differences in
 performance between the two? Big difference? Negligible?

 Thanks
 Sam



 On 8/28/2014 09:18, Andy Trimmell wrote:
 I think the big plus with the KP antennas is they come with a cover
 for the rocket. You'll have to buy a RF Elements cover if you're
 using stock Rockets with stock UBNT antennas.

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 On Behalf Of Sam
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

 I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP Performance
 antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their
 experiences of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically
 looking at 13 dBi omni antennas, but am curious about how the sector
 antennas compare as well.

 Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-22 Thread Matt Jenkins

I wear a size 15 shoe. I really hate shopping for shoes.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare...

 Patrick Leary
   M 727.501.3735






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 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 Hey!  A Patrick sighting!


 Regards,

 Jeff Broadwick
 Bitlomat Sales Director
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 574-220-7826 Cell
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 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western 
 Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) 
 spectrum...and everything in its path.

 Patrick Leary
   M 727.501.3735





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 Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...

 On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 It is by far and away the most prevalent method...  ;-)



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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.



 On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Higher one way throughput.
 More channels to choose from.
 DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
 External antennas.
 Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
 that vary like X-pol and F/B.
 Lower power consumption.
 Standard PoE.
 Etc.




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 *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 THanks Josh!
 I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

 H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
 Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
 And latency is higher than an airFiber

 What's the amazing thing about this new device?

 On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
 OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
 submit comments for approval / additions please

 I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some
 of it I'm lazy on.

 TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
 channel width table

 Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of
 an
 RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).

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[WISPA] Mimosa questions: TX/RX and Spatial Diversity.

2014-08-22 Thread Matt Jenkins

Currently we deploy a lot of PTP600 and PTP650 links. The primary 
reason, is the ability to have split TX/RX frequencies. Due to 
competitors, we cannot always find the same clear channel on two sides 
of a link. Does Mimosa support this?

Also, we deploy in locations where the antennas move, sometimes a lot. 
The PTP series works very well with spatial diversity to improve 
performance during constant signal fading on one polarity then the 
other. How does Mimosa's products handle this?
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

2014-08-22 Thread Matt Jenkins

UDP, 1500bytes, no retransmits?

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
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On 08/05/2014 02:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 If you use their cloud based link planner, it will tell you the answer 
 to your first question :P
 2x80MHz - 975Mbps
 2x40MHz - 487.5Mbps
 2x20MHz - 243.75Mbps

 1x80MHz - 487.5Mbps
 1x40MHz - 243.75Mbps
 1x20MHz - 121.875Mbps

 Josh Reynolds, CIO
 SPITwSPOTS
 www.spitwspots.com

 On 08/05/2014 01:25 PM, Elton Wilson wrote:
 I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 
 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size?

 Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas 
 using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but 
 the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync 
 them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before).





 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com 
 mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

 Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about
 awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar.
 I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in
 some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs
 and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have
 the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as
 important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify
 customer issues (in the case of PtMP).

 What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg
 PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own
 shielded antennas for PtMP?


 Josh Reynolds, CIO
 SPITwSPOTS
 www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

 On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:
 +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea
 ;)  Alas good ideas do take time.

 The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult
 to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi
 chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10
 milliseconds of time to make the change.

 This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum
 analysis as well without service impact, down to 150
 microseconds switching time to settle now.

 Jaime

 On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

 Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I
 brainstormed about in July :)
 
 http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941

 Josh Reynolds, CIO
 SPITwSPOTS
 www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/

 On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and
 product under wraps more than everything else.  Dunno why,
 it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from
 the intended secrecy.

 At least it worked for one person =P


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds
 j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

 You're... out of the loop.

 Josh Reynolds, CIO
 SPITwSPOTS
 www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/

 On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  The PtMP.
 
 
  Matt Hoppes
  Director of Information Technology
  Indigo Wireless
  +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312
 
  On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  What are you whating?
 
 
 
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  *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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  *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM
  *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
 
  Wait... whut?
 
 
  Matt Hoppes
  Director of Information Technology
  Indigo Wireless
  +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312
 
  On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
  Jamie,
 
  We're incredibly excited by your announcement

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-08 Thread Matt Hoppes

How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
 GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
 addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
 and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
 clearest reception. 
 
 The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
 high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
 switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.  
 
 TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
 downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
 versus latency choices. 
 
 For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
 fixing the bandwidth. 
 
 Cheers,
 
 Jaime
 
 On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
 mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 
 How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
 every radio or is there an external source?


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110



 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
 mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 I totally understand, Steve.

 What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
 backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
 are out
 there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
 WISPs only.


 On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
  Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
 to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
 each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
 my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
 link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
 me $100,000 when all is said and done.
 
  Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
 Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
 
  Steve Barnes
  General Manager
  PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com
  Howard LLC.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
 
  I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
 
 
 
  On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  Higher one way throughput.
  More channels to choose from.
  DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
  External antennas.
  Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
  that vary like X-pol and F/B.
  Lower power consumption.
  Standard PoE.
  Etc.
 
 
 
 
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
 
 omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
  computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
 
 
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  *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
  *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
  *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
  *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
 
  THanks Josh!
  I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
 
  H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
  Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
  And latency is higher than an airFiber
 
  What's the amazing thing about this new device?
 
  On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 
 
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
  OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
 
  submit comments for approval / additions please
 
  I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart,
 and some
  of it I'm lazy on.
 
  TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
  channel width table
 
  Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any
 results of
  an
  RFC2544 test (which

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

THanks Josh!
I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
And latency is higher than an airFiber

What's the amazing thing about this new device?

On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
 
 submit comments for approval / additions please
 
 I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of 
 it I'm lazy on.
 
 TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel 
 width table
 
 Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an 
 RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
 
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I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.

On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Higher one way throughput.
More channels to choose from.
DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
External antennas.
Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that
vary like X-pol and F/B.
Lower power consumption.
Standard PoE.
Etc.

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*From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

THanks Josh!
I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
And latency is higher than an airFiber

What's the amazing thing about this new device?

On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing

submit comments for approval / additions please

I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of
it I'm lazy on.

TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel
width table

Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an
RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).

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I totally understand, Steve.

What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options are out
there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only.


On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz 
 backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz 
 Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths 
 in and out for redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more 
 so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and 
 buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed 
 link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving me $100,000 
 when all is said and done.  
 
 Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?  Heck 
 Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
 
 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCSWIN.com
 Howard LLC.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
 
 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
 
 
 
 On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Higher one way throughput.
 More channels to choose from.
 DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
 External antennas.
 Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
 that vary like X-pol and F/B.
 Lower power consumption.
 Standard PoE.
 Etc.




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 omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
 computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 THanks Josh!
 I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

 H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
 Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
 And latency is higher than an airFiber

 What's the amazing thing about this new device?

 On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
 OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing

 submit comments for approval / additions please

 I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some 
 of it I'm lazy on.

 TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / 
 channel width table

 Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of 
 an
 RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).

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Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...

On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-)

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*From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.

-
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THanks Josh!
I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
And latency is higher than an airFiber

What's the amazing thing about this new device?

On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing

submit comments for approval / additions please

I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of
it I'm lazy on.

TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel
width table

Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an
RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).

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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum?

AF5 + Mimosa



Matt Hoppes
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Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
 Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J
 
  
 
 *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn
 RouterOS- Second Edition
 http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm”   
  
 
  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support
 Services  
  
 
  Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*:
 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*:
 linktechs
 skype:linktechs?call
 */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com
 http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV
 Whitespace  */
 
  
 
 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
 
  
 
 http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
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Auto everything? :(


Matt Hoppes
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On 8/5/14, 11:16 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum?
 
 AF5 + Mimosa
 
 
 
 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312
 
 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
 Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J

  

 *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn
 RouterOS- Second Edition
 http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm”  
   

  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support
 Services 
   

  Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*:
 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*:
 linktechs
 skype:linktechs?call
 */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com
 http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV
 Whitespace  */

  

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

  

 http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html

  

  

  

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Just more 5GHz being chewed up on backahuls.

I thought Mimosa was coming out with another frequency :(


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On 8/5/14, 11:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Mimosa is the best looking 5 GHz backhaul out there now.
 
 What's your beef with the Mimosa?
 
 
 
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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 https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
 
 
 *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:16:48 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
 
 Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum?
 
 AF5 + Mimosa
 
 
 
 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312
 
 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
 Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J

  

 *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn
 RouterOS- Second Edition
 http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm”  
  

  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support
 Services  


  Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*:
 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*:
 linktechs
 skype:linktechs?call
 */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com
 http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV
 Whitespace  */

  

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

  

 http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html

  

  

  

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Rather have that != general population.


Matt Hoppes
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On 8/5/14, 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 It does say that manual control is available for those that would rather
 have that.
 
 
 
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 *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:18:02 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
 
 Auto everything? :(
 
 
 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312
 
 On 8/5/14, 11:16 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum?

 AF5 + Mimosa



 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
 Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J

  

 *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn
 RouterOS- Second Edition
 http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm”  
  

  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support
 Services
  

  Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*:
 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*:
 linktechs
 skype:linktechs?call  
  
 */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com
 http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV
 Whitespace  */

  

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

  

 http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html

  

  

  

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Wait... whut?


Matt Hoppes
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On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 Jamie,
 
 We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;)
 
 Josh Reynolds, CIO
 SPITwSPOTS
 www.spitwspots.com
 
 On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the
 integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances,
 worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. 

 That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up
 of course in different channels, and channel widths. 

 We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that
 automates those answers for you based on your radio location link
 plans, coming soon!

 Cheers,

 Jaime

 On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Thanks a bunch!

 So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that
 just best you could do with the integrated antenna model?

 Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so
 what's the minimum isolation?

 If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4
 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have
 towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in
 other directions.

 Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how
 hard is that number.



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 *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

 Mike, 

 Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation
 capacities for the group. 

 For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate
 directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same
 channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages
 integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. 

 As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture
 efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out
 there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that
 performance. 

 No magic pixie dust, just great technology.

 Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I
 absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for
 PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple
 clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with
 our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve
 announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of
 compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! 

 Cheers!


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 http://www.mimosa.co

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 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 From a TechCrunch article:

 The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses
 multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide
 up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are
 using the same channel.

 Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so,
 that's pretty amazing.




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 mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com
 *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

 On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote:

 I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was
 my thought also..
 I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I
 can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

The PtMP.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
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On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 What are you whating?
 
 
 
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 *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
 
 Wait... whut?
 
 
 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312
 
 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 Jamie,

 We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;)

 Josh Reynolds, CIO
 SPITwSPOTS
 www.spitwspots.com

 On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the
 integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances,
 worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max
 performance.

 That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up
 of course in different channels, and channel widths.

 We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that
 automates those answers for you based on your radio location link
 plans, coming soon!

 Cheers,

 Jaime

 On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Thanks a bunch!

 So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that
 just best you could do with the integrated antenna model?

 Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so
 what's the minimum isolation?

 If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4
 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have
 towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in
 other directions.

 Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how
 hard is that number.



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 Mike,

 Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation
 capacities for the group.

 For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate
 directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same
 channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages
 integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync.

 As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture
 efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out
 there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that
 performance.

 No magic pixie dust, just great technology.

 Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I
 absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for
 PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple
 clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with
 our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve
 announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of
 compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust!

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 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 From a TechCrunch article:

 The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses
 multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide
 up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are
 using the same channel.

 Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so,
 that's pretty amazing.




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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-08-01 Thread Matt Brendle

Thanks Faisal.

 

Your link was especially helpful.  I had been going by the AirMax DSCP/TOS 
mapping chart from 2012 and it seems the TOS I had set for voice is now 
considered Background.

 

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

We are. 

 

There are number of things to check for

 

Not knowing much about your network setup 

 

Making assumption that your BH and AP's are not over loaded.

Making assumption that your MT's are not over loaded

Making assumption that your Queue mech. are not an issue...

Making assumption that there is no packet loss on the network path from 
customer to the VOIP Provider's (SIP  RTP proxy)

 

Basic fundamentals are as follows:-  (think of peeling an onion, starting from 
the core going outwards).

 

SIP Voice is two types of packets... SIP Signaling   and RTP (Real time Packets 
/ Voice or video)

Most providers will mark their outbound SIP  RTP with appropriate DSCP (qos) 
markings (feel free to google for info).

Most ATA's will mark outbound SIP  RPT with appropriate DSCP (802.1p qos) 
markings.

 

Most Wireless Radio Mfg, when they support QOS, they will respect these 
markings, and handle traffic appropriately, (unless they run into other 
issues,, e.g. high pps rates etc).

http://wiki.ubnt.com/AirMax_-_QoS_DSCP/TOS_Mappings

 

FYI, with UBNT qos handling varied with  Firmware Version...e.g.  BOLD - 
special mapping cases starting from v5.5.4 Before v5.5.4 DSCP 46 go to WME 
Video, DSCP 26 go to WME Best Effort.

 

 

--

Double Check the ATA's  QOS Packet Marking...to make sure that Default DSCP 
Marking is what you are expecting...

 

---

 

The other thing you need to check on is Jitter buffer  settings. you may 
want to enable it and set it for for something like 100 to 150, to see if it 
improves stuff.

 

-

 

FYI, the biggest problem with VOIP and Fixed Wireless, is  Packet Loss, and 
Jitter (this is more troublesome .. some packets arrive on time, other are 
delayed, and some are out of order)

 

==

 

 

Feel free to ping me off list if you need more info. or have questions.

 

Regards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 

  _  

From: Matt Brendle mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com 
mailto:mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:56:33 PM
Subject: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number of 
Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.  Our 
basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and 
CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of 
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using 
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where 
the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would 
be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get 
our Support Calls down.

 

Matt – NC Wireless

 


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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Matt Hoppes

Or the beginning of new business opportunities for smaller companies.

On 7/31/14, 11:07 AM, Clay Stewart wrote:
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[WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number
of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.
Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers,
and CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out
where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups
that would be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get
our Support Calls down.

 

Matt - NC Wireless

 

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

Nope.  Public IP on the CPE.  CPE is set to router mode and then we are
doing DMZ to the ATA.  Customer router sits behind ATA so local QOS is being
handled by the ATA.

 

I am doing traffic shaping in the CPE, but with VoIP customers we disable
bursting.  Other than that I don't do any prioritizing.

 

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:00 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

Is the VOIP traffic encapsulated in any way, such as EoIP, PPPoE, etc?

If so, AirMax will not be able to prioritize it correctly, assuming the
correct DSCP value is assigned to the traffic to begin with.

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com 

On 07/31/2014 11:56 AM, Matt Brendle wrote:

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number
of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.
Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers,
and CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out
where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups
that would be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get
our Support Calls down.

 

Matt - NC Wireless

 






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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

2014-07-31 Thread Matt Jenkins


http://www.netsys-direct.com/Ethernet_Extenders_s/1814.htm

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 07/29/2014 03:59 PM, Brett Woollum wrote:
We've used the StarTech ones with a lot of success. They've worked 
well for us in cases where running a new Ethernet line would be very 
time consuming, or in cases where it's too far for Ethernet.


http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-VDSL2-Ethernet-Extender-Single/dp/B002CLKFTG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1406674722sr=8-1keywords=startech+vdsl

Unfortunately Amazon is about $35 more per pair now... Not sure what 
changed.


Brett Woollum
Senior Sales Engineer
br...@tekify.com

*Tekify Broadband Internet Services*
Web: http://www.tekify.com
Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200


*From: *Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:54:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

Will try, thanks!



Gino A. Villarini
President
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www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



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Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 at 6:41 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

To add to what Chris said, these VDSL2 extenders are very reliable and 
probably your best bet. I've used a few them in a rural summer camp 
install.



On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net 
mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net wrote:


Look at using some VDSL2 extenders. Easiest way and we get around
70Mbps over 1 pair.

We using theplanet extenders


http://www.dsl-warehouse.com/product_info.php?cPath=55products_id=295osCsid=e2bffc541684f5e30d8ffd031df783a0

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:37 PM
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*Subject:* [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

Any options for a 600’ cat3 Ethernet solution with over 50mbps
capacity for download?

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

Larry,

Thanks for the feedback.  I have a mix of ATAs deployed, but I am going to
make sure they all have the right DSCP flags set for Airmax to prioritize.
I will also take your advice on sniffing and include in my testing.  That
way I can make sure the flag isn't getting stripped off somewhere on my
network.

Anybody else with suggestions/info?  I welcome all input no matter how minor
or critical it may seem.

-Matt

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From: l...@mwtcorp.net [mailto:l...@mwtcorp.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:59 PM
To: WISPA General List; Matt Brendle
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:56:33 -0400
  Matt Brendle mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
 So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the 
 number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would
expect.
 Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure 
 routers, and CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get 
 complaints of choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what 
 others are using successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure 
 to try to find out where the issue is, but if anybody has success 
 stories and example setups that would be great.
 

We've been doing VOIP across dsl, dedicated and wireless circuits for years.
It's a fairly simple engineering task that is very detail oriented. Jitter
is the killer. I have and am using Cisco, Force 10, Mikrotik, UBNT, Radwin
and MRV equipment. They all work but you have to look for any possible spot
where there can be congestion and plan a way through. Mikrotik's are
particularity difficult because they don't re-order packets. You make room
by throwing something else away. Like everything Mikrotik it takes some
middle to both edges thinking.

Regularly sniff your voice traffic and be sure that the dscp/tos codes are
there. Some switches/ providers will remove them. You can build an entire
network with a pristine voice channel in it to find your voip running best
effort. I have had that happen more than once.

Also remember adding bandwidth on one link can create two or more new
congestion points someplace else. details, details, details but once you get
it right it's something to behold.

 
 
 I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work 
 and get our Support Calls down.
 
 
 
 Matt - NC Wireless
 
 
 

Larry Ash
Network Administrator
Mountain West Telephone
123 W 1st St.
Casper, WY 82601
Office 307 233-8387

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