Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I've never had this work even when using two 5 gig cards, one in the lower band and one in the upper at least when trying to run dual nstreme. My throughput just always sucks. Running 532's, however has great throughput with the same radio cards. I've put little shield envelopes over one of the cards to make it work better, but it still isn't as good as the old 532's. Just my experience. Cameron !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type /head body bgcolor=#ff text=#00 I've been doing that for a couple of years...br br But I've only been leaving 1 or 2 empty channels between themnbsp; 20-40 MHz open space.br br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:7a120693fe7d4abf8ad509b168183...@dell8400 type=cite pre wrap=I have verified with a spectrum analyzer you can run two cards stacked on top in a 433 in the same 5.8 band as long as the channels you are using are at complete opposite ends of the band. 5745 and 5825 and 20mhz channels and they will not bleed over. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a -Original Message- From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org;wireless-boun...@wispa.org/a [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org;mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org/a] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Usually 5.8 to the tower, and 5.2 for the repeater. I haven't done any repeaters like this since DFS. I do have a couple at 2.4. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=http://www.ics-il.com;http://www.ics-il.com/a On 5/6/2010 4:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize /pre /blockquote pre wrap=!that. /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammetta class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net;lt;wispawirel...@ics-il.netgt;/a /pre /blockquote pre wrap=!wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap= /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=http://www.ics-il.com;http://www.ics-il.com/a On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV /pre /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote pre wrap=!tower, /pre blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite pre wrap=grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, /pre /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote pre wrap=!cheap /pre blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite pre wrap=battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo /pre /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote pre wrap=!it /pre blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite pre wrap=takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically /pre /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote pre wrap=!charge /pre blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite pre wrap=45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third /pre /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote pre wrap=!screen /pre blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite pre wrap=I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to /pre /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote pre wrap=!continue /pre blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite pre wrap=that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. /pre
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I can't find the email now, but Jer sold his wireless operations. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/28/2010 1:18 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Larry , Shmary, he don't know jack about running a xISP. Just kidding, Larry knows more about being an xISP than Jer. ;) -- Original Message -- From: Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:32:13 -0400 Larry is correct. I've went towards Mikrotik in these instances due to the overwhelming amount of Go To people and a Wiki on just about anything Mikrotik out there. Not to mention the cut and paste drop in scripts available. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP I agree that Coding is not equal to Networking. But as I noted... programming IOS or even chucking in routes using command-line on Mikrotik looks like coding. I guess my point was that if you want to start a WISP, be prepared to get your hands dirty. At some point, you are likely to find the need to use a language whether it be IOS, Mikrotik-scripting, Bash, C-Shell, or even Microsoft NT batch language. - Larry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:33 PM To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunkerleyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Usually 5.8 to the tower, and 5.2 for the repeater. I haven't done any repeaters like this since DFS. I do have a couple at 2.4. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 4:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.comwrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I'm the exact opposite, I prefer the ECS (the one with the RJ-45) and hate the pass-through one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/30/2010 8:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I do have to tape the outside connections Mike. But instead of running a pigtail with a bulkhead connector I run an n-f/f bulkhead connector and n-m pigtials. Gotta tape up the antenna connection ONCE. After that, if you change out the radios etc. and need a different pigtail just unscrew the pigtail and your golden. I also run boxes quite a bit bigger than I need. 1'x1'x2 or so. That way I've got a lot of room to move things around, use different boards etc. My *plan* is to not have to change out the boxes anymore. One of the nicest things I've found in a long time is the Pac Wireless pass-through ethernet grip tight. Not the goofy one that requires a screwdriver or little kid to release the tab on the connector. The one that allows the whole cat5 cable to fit through with the connector already on it. Very nice design. Lastly I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with no gel. Instead of a gel it has a paperish wrapping around the wires that somehow expands and seals things when /if it gets wet. This cable is a LOT easier to deal with than the old fashioned grease filled ones! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mikem...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Marlon: I am very interested in your no more taping bulkhead connector. Do you mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ Ethernet switch $50 to $100 Backhaul to the tower, $200+ Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. Marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
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I have verified with a spectrum analyzer you can run two cards stacked on top in a 433 in the same 5.8 band as long as the channels you are using are at complete opposite ends of the band. 5745 and 5825 and 20mhz channels and they will not bleed over. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Usually 5.8 to the tower, and 5.2 for the repeater. I haven't done any repeaters like this since DFS. I do have a couple at 2.4. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 4:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing
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What omini are you using, Josh? Running 2.4 on the Tik boxes with the XR2? Just interested in the setup on your end. Sounds like a winner. Bo- - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
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I've not run any XR2, actually. Probably should. I think the next one we do one in a few weeks I will try it out. I've used the wlm54ag a bunch. Pac antennas. I've not had any more or less success with others. Comet with 3* downtilt seemed a bit less then Pac's big one (12dbi?) but the customers haven't ever had issues. Was an experiment. On 5/6/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What omini are you using, Josh? Running 2.4 on the Tik boxes with the XR2? Just interested in the setup on your end. Sounds like a winner. Bo- - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
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The 433 is more than adequate for 2 cards for a low usage repeater... Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman"j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List"wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! htt
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I've been doing that for a couple of years... But I've only been leaving 1 or 2 empty channels between them 20-40 MHz open space. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I have verified with a spectrum analyzer you can run two cards stacked on top in a 433 in the same 5.8 band as long as the channels you are using are at complete opposite ends of the band. 5745 and 5825 and 20mhz channels and they will not bleed over. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Usually 5.8 to the tower, and 5.2 for the repeater. I haven't done any repeaters like this since DFS. I do have a couple at 2.4. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 4:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman"j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List"wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
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Here ya go Greg, http://www.shireeninc.com/ Just call them and ask for Nusrat Jamal. He's one of the founders of Teletronics. I've known him since before we were a WISP. Great guy. Tell him I sent ya! marlon - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Do you have a part number for that? Where do you get it? Thanks! Greg On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with no gel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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We also stock that as well :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: nja...@shireeninc.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Here ya go Greg, http://www.shireeninc.com/ Just call them and ask for Nusrat Jamal. He's one of the founders of Teletronics. I've known him since before we were a WISP. Great guy. Tell him I sent ya! marlon - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Do you have a part number for that? Where do you get it? Thanks! Greg On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with no gel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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sorry, I should say wlan1.com stocks it. lol --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP We also stock that as well :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: nja...@shireeninc.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Here ya go Greg, http://www.shireeninc.com/ Just call them and ask for Nusrat Jamal. He's one of the founders of Teletronics. I've known him since before we were a WISP. Great guy. Tell him I sent ya! marlon - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Do you have a part number for that? Where do you get it? Thanks! Greg On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with no gel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I do have to tape the outside connections Mike. But instead of running a pigtail with a bulkhead connector I run an n-f/f bulkhead connector and n-m pigtials. Gotta tape up the antenna connection ONCE. After that, if you change out the radios etc. and need a different pigtail just unscrew the pigtail and your golden. I also run boxes quite a bit bigger than I need. 1'x1'x2 or so. That way I've got a lot of room to move things around, use different boards etc. My *plan* is to not have to change out the boxes anymore. One of the nicest things I've found in a long time is the Pac Wireless pass-through ethernet grip tight. Not the goofy one that requires a screwdriver or little kid to release the tab on the connector. The one that allows the whole cat5 cable to fit through with the connector already on it. Very nice design. Lastly I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with no gel. Instead of a gel it has a paperish wrapping around the wires that somehow expands and seals things when /if it gets wet. This cable is a LOT easier to deal with than the old fashioned grease filled ones! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Marlon: I am very interested in your no more taping bulkhead connector. Do you mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ Ethernet switch $50 to $100 Backhaul to the tower, $200+ Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. Marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam
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I NEVER run high gain omni antennas. And I NEVER run cheapo antennas. Not anymore. They cost too much when you have to change them out or when the performance is flaky. Water in an antenna is really hard to figure out. Crazy antennas are even worse. The problem with a high gain omni antenna is that it's vertical pattern is what, 8*? Maybe less. And they actually tend to UPtilt a bit. (look at the patterns, not the calculated ones but tested ones, be sure to ask which they are giving you..) So lets say you have an antenna with a 4* (best case) pattern headed down to the ground located at 100' up. Your signal doesn't hit the ground till 1400 feet out. And HALF of your energy never ever will hit the ground. Probably more than half. They cost a bit more but I use the Maxrad antennas with the electrical downtilt. 8dB omni antennas will allow 24dB of radio output while remaining legal EIRP wise and you can get 4 or 8* downtilt so more of the energy goes where you need it to go. These days I tend to buy more Andrew (or whatever they are these days) or RadioWaves antennas. I used to use Pac Wireless (still use the 2' grids for 5.8 though), Arc Wireless, SuperPass and a few others. If it's hard to get to the connector to weather seal, has a crappy mount or has cracked, leaked etc. I don't use them anymore. It's just too expensive in downtime, reputation, troubleshooting etc. I also only use the 433AH boards. They have more memory and processor power as I understand it. Could be wrong on that one though. I do know that the 433 boards I've gotten do NOT have the AP mode in them. I've liked the xr cards a lot so far. Been looking at the cards from Readylink (old Compex) and so far I'm liking them too. They have a bigger heat sink on them and are a bit cheaper. I'm still running and stocking both though. We'll see if there is any difference in storm season Chuck, what do you sell folks for a box to mount it all in? I don't see one there. OR is that the DCE? If so, what size is that box? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP For small repeater sites (less than 40 subs) we'll do the following: These our QLW prices without special discounts: RB/433 : $76 XR2: $99 XR5: $99 DCE: $45 Pigtail: $11.50 x2 NM-NM Jumper: $18.50 x 2 2.4Ghz x12dB Omni: $70 RJ45-ECS: $6.60 ARC 5823 Panel: 43 ~$500 + s/h 100' Cat5 run at $.17/ft = $17. Total: ~$517 So for just over $500 you can do it pretty easily. Now..do it Ubiquiti style... B5: $59 B2: $39 ARC5823: $43 POE: $11 x 2 OD24 Omni: $70 ~$265 2 x 100' Cat5 runs = $34 Total ~$300 Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ Ethernet switch $50 to $100 Backhaul to the tower, $200+ Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. Marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15
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- Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Good water tight box, $200+. The ones from Tessco are 60-100 mks: Cool. I'll have to look at them. Do they include a backing plate pre-drilled for the MT boards? Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). I buy premade LMR400 and a N female bulkhead, I'd say $15 or 20 total mks: I buy premade jumpers nowadays too. But I spec the premium Times Microwave ends. Stainless steel and copper/brass that way, no aluminum outer or inner connectors. Same for the bulkhead connectors, I use only the o-ring ones made of stainless not aluminum. MT 433 AH board, $100ish I only use one ethernet port and wireless card, 411ah for me. mks: If you don't do much on the box or have many customers at a site that's probably OK. I buy the units with more horsepower anyway. Never can have too much memory as far as I'm concerned :-). XR2 card $100 ish I actually have never used the XR2 for this - only the compex cards... mks: They seem to work very similarly. I kinda think they use the same RF components. Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ I typically just use a Staples cheap one mks: I use mainly APC brand. At tower sites I'll usually run a 350 or 500 version. They may be a bit less than $100. At sites with 4 or more radios I'll usually run a 1000 or bigger though. mks: I'm toying with the idea of running all sites off of deep cycle 12vdc batteries though. Probably optima units. $200+++ for them but they should last a LONG time. Both from a voltage output standpoint and uptime if the power goes out. Just put a decent quality 12 volt charger maintainer on them Still thinking this one through. I'm also getting close to powering all of the servers that way. They make 12v power supplies for them. http://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-12V.htm Little spendy though But how cool would it be to have days of backup power and NO chance of bad power getting to the servers? mks: The biggest problem I've run into with the APC backup units is that they only trickle charge. If the power goes out you can't charge the batteries back up with a 30 minute or 1 hour hit with a generator. I ran into a problem with this two winters ago. The power went off and on for 2 weeks due to freezing fog that just wouldn't go away. Powerlines, trees, phone lines etc. all kept hitting the ground. With two generators I just couldn't keep the towers up and running long enough to keep the backups charged. It was a major PITA and I finally just had to give up and wait for the power to come back online. I'm going to start picking up more generators every year or two. Might be cheaper to put in better power in the first place though :-). Ethernet switch $50 to $100 I've used the cheapest switches from Wintronic that are $25/$35 for 5/8 ports and I've had only a few bad (2 that I can think of). mks: Yeah, bad ports happen. Even on good switches. Out here lightning whacks a few every year. I've found that the ones with a metal case hold up better than the plastic ones. Backhaul to the tower, $200+ I thought this was a repeater from a customer SM? mks: I do a lot of that too. It certainly helps shave costs. MY cost on a CPE install is over $200 anyway. I know it can be done for less. I'm still addicted to my Tranzeo CPE though :-). Don't forget to count the arm, cable, staples, screws, cost of a drill, labor (even if it's you) etc. 1001 ways to skin a cat :-D marlon Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Marlon: I am very interested in your no more taping bulkhead connector. Do you mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25
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Or, hire any two of the dozens of consultants out there that do this work. I still don't know how to do routing and I've been an ISP for 15 years. Routing is one of those things that is pretty easy to hire out. All I have to do is be good enough to get a device onto the internet in the first place. The trick seems to be finding guys that are good at what they do AND aren't so buried that they can't get to you. laters, \marlon - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Your time is usually MUCH better spent interfacing with your customers. Doing sales work. Local tech work etc. You should do the things that can't be done remotely. marlon - Original Message - From: Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's what I say. I just don't want to pay someone to write code when if I spend a little time researching I can usually find a product that already does what I need. We already provide network monitoring and other services of this type to clients so shouldn't be a problem on the wisp side of things. :) Sent from my Datacom Specialists black berry - Original Message - From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue Apr 27 17:32:34 2010 Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
LOL There certainly are days like that Scottie. We've now got a network that's REALLY reliable. We do have some trouble when the ground gets wet (long links too low) but other than that our service calls have gone WAY down. It took a long time to get there but we're making money now. Just had our best (financially) year ever. I rarely miss any of my kids events. Day time games etc. included. Yeah I am getting tired of the constant on call thing. People getting mad at me cause I won't/can't help them with their computer virus problems etc. But, so far, today will be a down day for me. I'll spend a couple of hours on email and then go do what I want to do. I'll not loose a dime of income because I'm going to be out screwing off. How cool is that? marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP If I had to do it all over again, I would say run, run as far away as possible. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:46:55 -0700 LOL This should be good. Think 1001 ways to skin a cat.. First, you need to tell us more about what you want to do. WHERE will the system be located? Cincinnati or elsewhere? In town, in the burbs or 10 miles out of town? What is the geography like there? Hills, flat, trees (how tall, what kind) etc.? What services do you wish to offer? Best effort DSL grade, Leased line replacements, backup circuits for fiber runs, etc.? What kind of a budget do you have? $500, $5000, $50,000? Are you an ISP already or is this a totally new thing for you (will you need web, mail and billing systems etc.)? Lets start with that. marlon - Original Message - From: Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Do you have a part number for that? Where do you get it? Thanks! Greg On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with no gel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
There is no all in one product to be a WISP. You need to evaluate your area against potential equipment. Once you decide which equipment will work best in your environment then you need to piece together a back end management, billing, customer support, network monitoring, alerting, scheduling, installation, and others system. The first step is to determine what type of environment you are working in. Then analyze what spectrum is available, then determine what equipment will work best in that environment to provide competitive service and speeds. Is your market residential, business or both? Is your environment city, metro, farm, mountain, rural, covered in foliage, etc? Are there other WISPs in the area? What do they use? What do they offer? Is it worth trying to compete with them? One thing to mention: You don't have to offer the fastest speed or the lowest price. Being reliable is much more valuable in the long run. There is that 5-10% that will always go for the fastest or cheapest. In my opinion they are not the customers you want because they take up more support and billing time than they are worth to deal with. This is just a few points I can think of off the top of my head. - Matt Liam Cummings wrote: Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
One thing to mention: You don't have to offer the fastest speed or the lowest price. Being reliable is much more valuable in the long run. There is that 5-10% that will always go for the fastest or cheapest. In my opinion they are not the customers you want because they take up more support and billing time than they are worth to deal with. Don't forget about *Customer Service*. Obviously excluding the same 5% people want to talk to someone to get something taken care of. Someone on the other end of the phone saying something is bad is infinitely better then putting them on hold for hours. In my experience, if you have a problem with your ATT/Verizon service you spend at minimum 30 minutes of time. Time Warner Cable is usually a lot better with the super secret business class number (5 minutes of hold at the most, then the account look up...). That's just good business, which I expect you have already learned with your other ventures, but I feel this had to be brought up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: There is no all in one product to be a WISP. You need to evaluate your area against potential equipment. Once you decide which equipment will work best in your environment then you need to piece together a back end management, billing, customer support, network monitoring, alerting, scheduling, installation, and others system. The first step is to determine what type of environment you are working in. Then analyze what spectrum is available, then determine what equipment will work best in that environment to provide competitive service and speeds. Is your market residential, business or both? Is your environment city, metro, farm, mountain, rural, covered in foliage, etc? Are there other WISPs in the area? What do they use? What do they offer? Is it worth trying to compete with them? One thing to mention: You don't have to offer the fastest speed or the lowest price. Being reliable is much more valuable in the long run. There is that 5-10% that will always go for the fastest or cheapest. In my opinion they are not the customers you want because they take up more support and billing time than they are worth to deal with. This is just a few points I can think of off the top of my head. - Matt Liam Cummings wrote: Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I don't know Jack... But you knew that. Who is Jack? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
You're no Jack Kennedy. - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP I don't know Jack... But you knew that. Who is Jack? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I agree that Coding is not equal to Networking. But as I noted... programming IOS or even chucking in routes using command-line on Mikrotik looks like coding. I guess my point was that if you want to start a WISP, be prepared to get your hands dirty. At some point, you are likely to find the need to use a language whether it be IOS, Mikrotik-scripting, Bash, C-Shell, or even Microsoft NT batch language. - Larry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:33 PM To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Larry is correct. I've went towards Mikrotik in these instances due to the overwhelming amount of Go To people and a Wiki on just about anything Mikrotik out there. Not to mention the cut and paste drop in scripts available. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP I agree that Coding is not equal to Networking. But as I noted... programming IOS or even chucking in routes using command-line on Mikrotik looks like coding. I guess my point was that if you want to start a WISP, be prepared to get your hands dirty. At some point, you are likely to find the need to use a language whether it be IOS, Mikrotik-scripting, Bash, C-Shell, or even Microsoft NT batch language. - Larry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:33 PM To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Very few but not zero...Wispmon will manage just about all daily operational aspects of a WISP. It was designed to do just that. FYI. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.comwrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Larry , Shmary, he don't know jack about running a xISP. Just kidding, Larry knows more about being an xISP than Jer. ;) -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:32:13 -0400 Larry is correct. I've went towards Mikrotik in these instances due to the overwhelming amount of Go To people and a Wiki on just about anything Mikrotik out there. Not to mention the cut and paste drop in scripts available. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP I agree that Coding is not equal to Networking. But as I noted... programming IOS or even chucking in routes using command-line on Mikrotik looks like coding. I guess my point was that if you want to start a WISP, be prepared to get your hands dirty. At some point, you are likely to find the need to use a language whether it be IOS, Mikrotik-scripting, Bash, C-Shell, or even Microsoft NT batch language. - Larry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:33 PM To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Who is Jack? - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Larry , Shmary, he don't know jack about running a xISP. Just kidding, Larry knows more about being an xISP than Jer. ;) -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:32:13 -0400 Larry is correct. I've went towards Mikrotik in these instances due to the overwhelming amount of Go To people and a Wiki on just about anything Mikrotik out there. Not to mention the cut and paste drop in scripts available. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP I agree that Coding is not equal to Networking. But as I noted... programming IOS or even chucking in routes using command-line on Mikrotik looks like coding. I guess my point was that if you want to start a WISP, be prepared to get your hands dirty. At some point, you are likely to find the need to use a language whether it be IOS, Mikrotik-scripting, Bash, C-Shell, or even Microsoft NT batch language. - Larry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:33 PM To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
LOL This should be good. Think 1001 ways to skin a cat.. First, you need to tell us more about what you want to do. WHERE will the system be located? Cincinnati or elsewhere? In town, in the burbs or 10 miles out of town? What is the geography like there? Hills, flat, trees (how tall, what kind) etc.? What services do you wish to offer? Best effort DSL grade, Leased line replacements, backup circuits for fiber runs, etc.? What kind of a budget do you have? $500, $5000, $50,000? Are you an ISP already or is this a totally new thing for you (will you need web, mail and billing systems etc.)? Lets start with that. marlon - Original Message - From: Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ Ethernet switch $50 to $100 Backhaul to the tower, $200+ Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. Marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Marlon: I am very interested in your no more taping bulkhead connector. Do you mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ Ethernet switch $50 to $100 Backhaul to the tower, $200+ Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. Marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
For small repeater sites (less than 40 subs) we'll do the following: These our QLW prices without special discounts: RB/433 : $76 XR2: $99 XR5: $99 DCE: $45 Pigtail: $11.50 x2 NM-NM Jumper: $18.50 x 2 2.4Ghz x12dB Omni: $70 RJ45-ECS: $6.60 ARC 5823 Panel: 43 ~$500 + s/h 100' Cat5 run at $.17/ft = $17. Total: ~$517 So for just over $500 you can do it pretty easily. Now..do it Ubiquiti style... B5: $59 B2: $39 ARC5823: $43 POE: $11 x 2 OD24 Omni: $70 ~$265 2 x 100' Cat5 runs = $34 Total ~$300 Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ Ethernet switch $50 to $100 Backhaul to the tower, $200+ Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. Marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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Good water tight box, $200+. The ones from Tessco are 60-100 Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). I buy premade LMR400 and a N female bulkhead, I'd say $15 or 20 total MT 433 AH board, $100ish I only use one ethernet port and wireless card, 411ah for me. XR2 card $100 ish I actually have never used the XR2 for this - only the compex cards... Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ I typically just use a Staples cheap one Ethernet switch $50 to $100 I've used the cheapest switches from Wintronic that are $25/$35 for 5/8 ports and I've had only a few bad (2 that I can think of). Backhaul to the tower, $200+ I thought this was a repeater from a customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Marlon: I am very interested in your no more taping bulkhead connector. Do you mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ Ethernet switch $50 to $100 Backhaul to the tower, $200+ Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. Marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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That's what I say. I just don't want to pay someone to write code when if I spend a little time researching I can usually find a product that already does what I need. We already provide network monitoring and other services of this type to clients so shouldn't be a problem on the wisp side of things. :) Sent from my Datacom Specialists black berry - Original Message - From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue Apr 27 17:32:34 2010 Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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If I had to do it all over again, I would say run, run as far away as possible. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:46:55 -0700 LOL This should be good. Think 1001 ways to skin a cat.. First, you need to tell us more about what you want to do. WHERE will the system be located? Cincinnati or elsewhere? In town, in the burbs or 10 miles out of town? What is the geography like there? Hills, flat, trees (how tall, what kind) etc.? What services do you wish to offer? Best effort DSL grade, Leased line replacements, backup circuits for fiber runs, etc.? What kind of a budget do you have? $500, $5000, $50,000? Are you an ISP already or is this a totally new thing for you (will you need web, mail and billing systems etc.)? Lets start with that. marlon - Original Message - From: Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New WISP
Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote: Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment These are both questions that everyone has answers for, and they all stink =0 I use linux for most everything (windows in a VM just for the rarities of when it is required for testing) I use Ubnt hardware more every day for the RF, Mikrotik for core routers and businesses, Openwrt capable routers at clients when more then Ubiquity currently provides is called for. YMMV We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Hello, and welcome!. You may want to join WISPA as soon as possible. It will be the best money you spend before opening the doors. Membership will help you and your new business in many ways; low legal filings, many forms and contracts available for download, the list archives are worth the whole membership, representation in Washington DC, and the private members only list, where we have very frank discussions, Your State list, VoIP list, fiber list, MicroTeck list, Canopy list, etc.etc. And don't forget our Vendor discounts just for members. It is another place you can recoup the cost of membership almost immediately! And I forgot the new Wiki! Anyway, Welcome to the miracle of microwave and hopefully WISPA.org can help explain it! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to the California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
