Re: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds?
Rick - if you want some help - please hit me off list. First thing I noticed is the form - when you want to add an add - a user must scroll down to find the options ... I have done a good amount with WordPress, Typo3 and Drupal - to name a few systems Happy to help Glenn On May 17, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kevin, I just loaded a widget to the WISPA website which will allow classified ads. I am no expert at setting this stuff up, so this may be a temporary trial. I would appreciate assistance from other board members or wordpress experts. So, test it, try it, but don't abuse it. It may take some time to perfect the layout, so please be patient and feel free to send your suggestions. http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2297 Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds? Hello, I've asked before, but I still haven't got an answer. Does WISPA have any online classifieds for used WISP equipment? I'm looking for a licensed link, and I have mountains of Trango 5800(-d), Trango 900, Tranzeo, and a few Trango ATLAS backhaul units I'd like liquidate. (I've also got a HUGE pile of Raylink, alvarion 900, and SmartBridges, but I'll probably have to just haul those to the dump). I'm thinking of throwing up a classifieds page for WISPs, but I really don't want to duplicate, if someone else already has one. Thanks, Kevin --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds?
I recently helped a project rebuild (United Methodist Church www.COR.org ) in Haiti The challenges are more than just not having the radio... sadly Hit me off list if you want some details - sad how difficult and expensive it is to help them rebuild due to the controls in place to just bill the heck out of ya. In a major city - a capitol city no less of 3 million + people - there are no paved roads. Infrastructure seems almost as though it is in place to keep folks down from what I understand... Either way - I know a group that would love the equipment to begin helping rebuild the schools and such for sure On May 17, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote: What about sending the equipment to these relief projects like in Haiti? While this stuff may not be worth a production WISP environment, in a place like that it would be worth its weight in gold. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds? This brings up another point. What do you do with old gear that just plain isn't worth keeping? Its taking up valuable space and you can't even give it away so the landfill is looking like its final resting place. I have been thinking lately of using my old TR-CPE-200's as clay pigeons but then I would have to go clean up the mess.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds? Hello, I've asked before, but I still haven't got an answer. Does WISPA have any online classifieds for used WISP equipment? I'm looking for a licensed link, and I have mountains of Trango 5800(-d), Trango 900, Tranzeo, and a few Trango ATLAS backhaul units I'd like liquidate. (I've also got a HUGE pile of Raylink, alvarion 900, and SmartBridges, but I'll probably have to just haul those to the dump). I'm thinking of throwing up a classifieds page for WISPs, but I really don't want to duplicate, if someone else already has one. Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Woops...Re: Call Tracking / Customer management software
been there myself - Just a heads up. you may need to add an A Record for the non www version of your site. your link points to it - however it does not show for most of the world. :-/ On May 17, 2010, at 7:57 AM, cc...@dot11net.com wrote: Sorry everyone for the list postreplied to the wrong maildoh! Hey Sara, Just checking to see if you guys were still interested in a personal demo. Give me shout if/when you are ready. Or just tell me to bug off and I'll quit bothering you ;). Regards, Cameron Crum Wispmon.com Dot11 Networks, Inc. I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets, appointments, and customer information. Can anyone suggest a good software that can do this. Id like to have web access. I've looked at a few but have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of what others have used and like. Thanks for any input. Sara WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth
Well Put. Have you guys thought about - (sorry jumping in the back end here) adding squid or caching? I have seen some major drops on bandwidth when caching is put in place - up to 30+% On the other hand - squid is not a replacement for the additional bandwidth. On May 20, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: For Ethernet colision detection type networks, you are correct. That is what many WISPs forget when deploying PtMP. They incorrectly think a CDMA 25mb link will double their 10mb TDD link as they scale. They learn that as customer get added, the capacity is not nearly as much as they thought.. But with Ethernet backbones it does not always work the same, for two reasons 1) There is only one end device, so its not possible for collisions, and collision avoidance algorythms aren't really needed. 2) If using TDD Ethernet, transmits are scheduled, without the typical overhead of Ethernet. I can run successfully run a bandwidth test of 95mb over a 100mb Cogent fiber circuti, and with a Tlink-45 set 36mbps mod, tested to pass 30mbps with radio tests, I can count on passing 30mbps through it. So again, it comes down to the design and technology of the backbone. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Old rule of thumb for Ethernet, because it is based on collision detection, is 70-75% is the max you want. Above this and collisions often become an issue. I assume the same is true for the faster links as well. Jeremie Chism wrote: At what percentage of your backbone usage do you look at adding more capacity. At peak times I run at 65-70 percent of capacity. Just looking for suggestions. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth
Caching is pretty cheap - if you know how to do it cheap. Whats nice is - you can actually cache multiple places Edge however is wisest imho if you have to choose 1 location for most - If your interested in a dead easy cache (squid) method - pfsense is free and the squid package is brainless to implement. vYatta is really good as well - and the new vyatta Guard is pretty hot I had heard folks like Akamai will give servers if your network is big enough - but never been able to get traction on that rumor sadly On May 21, 2010, at 12:04 AM, RickG wrote: Makes me think: What about caching on the edge rather than the core of your network? My goal would not be so much as to save bandwidth but rather performance to the end user. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends whether you are asking me or Jeremie. We dont use caching to save upstream badnwidth, currently. The reason is that our upstream transit costs are way less expesnive than our last mile and transport costs. At one point, I calculated our unlicensed transport costs to be close to $180 per mbps (inlcuding colo/roof leases), but our transit costs at the same time averaged under $10/mb. (actually down to $3/mb now all costs factored). Now, this is all changing, as we add more licensed higher capacity backhauls and higher capacity last mile. Today my last mile/transport costs are much much lower, but I haven't calculated that recently. Caching would not have saved us money or prevented bottle necks for download traffic. However, it very well could save us money caching our customers on-net web servers, reducing last mile traffic. Obviously, it would be the opposite situation for other WISPs that had high transit/transport costs and low last mile costs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Well Put. Have you guys thought about - (sorry jumping in the back end here) adding squid or caching? I have seen some major drops on bandwidth when caching is put in place - up to 30+% On the other hand - squid is not a replacement for the additional bandwidth. On May 20, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: For Ethernet colision detection type networks, you are correct. That is what many WISPs forget when deploying PtMP. They incorrectly think a CDMA 25mb link will double their 10mb TDD link as they scale. They learn that as customer get added, the capacity is not nearly as much as they thought.. But with Ethernet backbones it does not always work the same, for two reasons 1) There is only one end device, so its not possible for collisions, and collision avoidance algorythms aren't really needed. 2) If using TDD Ethernet, transmits are scheduled, without the typical overhead of Ethernet. I can run successfully run a bandwidth test of 95mb over a 100mb Cogent fiber circuti, and with a Tlink-45 set 36mbps mod, tested to pass 30mbps with radio tests, I can count on passing 30mbps through it. So again, it comes down to the design and technology of the backbone. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Old rule of thumb for Ethernet, because it is based on collision detection, is 70-75% is the max you want. Above this and collisions often become an issue. I assume the same is true for the faster links as well. Jeremie Chism wrote: At what percentage of your backbone usage do you look at adding more capacity. At peak times I run at 65-70 percent of capacity. Just looking for suggestions. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
I concur - just look @ the television shows that are out now - on top. Big Bang theory is just one of them ;-) On May 21, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: According to Maxim, which us single guys still get to read :) women like nerds more, good women anyway. Its no insult at all, I spent the same amount of time on those games in my youth and Matt's Galaga is my fav, maybe we can have the St. Louis WISP dig one up for the hotel at our upcoming Regional Meeting. Oddly once I owned an ISP I didn't seem to want to play games anymore, the sad off-shoot of being on the computer too much but have no fear the closet gamer is in all of us or it's doubtful we'd love this business so much. Go get some nerdy glasses and see if your wife likes role playing, lol, happy Friday! Forbes On 5/21/2010 8:58 AM, Robert West wrote: That's a moment that any man can be proud of. LOL! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several Atari 2600 joysticks. I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I married such a nerd. :) ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: But dd... Robert West wrote: Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem
AMEN to THAT use Intel wherever possible On May 27, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I would definitely replace those. IME Broadcom is the worst *nix NIC. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote: Broadcom, not sure which. I'll check. Kevin - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem What NICs are your Linux routers? On 5/27/10, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote: Can you lock down gig? Most of the time I've tried to do that it seemed problematic. Kevin - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem On 5/27/2010 10:04 AM, RickG wrote: Auto neg can cause problems. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote: No, it's a gig link, set to auto neg. snip auto-neg definitely the problem especially if non gig on other side. Lock both sides down Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2897 - Release Date: 05/26/10 02:25:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You knew it was coming...
of course - they are under contract... however when that contract is up... hmmm wonder what happens then On Jun 2, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: ATT will be redoing the pricing plans for I Phone and I Pad charging a fee plus overages. There's good news for existing iPad and iPhone users who feel that the new plans will cost them more: ATT said existing ATT customers -- including the 50 million iPhone and iPad users in the United States -- have the option of sticking with their old $30 unlimited plan. The Full story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/02/technology/att_iphone_ipad WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Rick Sole Proprietor has its own back of nuttiness. You and everything you own is on the line. I have been there and it is far from fun. In short - you simply don't want someone having an issue and you loosing your home, car - etc over it. Thus the reason after I lost my shirt once - I will never do a sole proprietorship EVER. in my humble opinion - they should be illegal - because many just dont know the difference and assume it has a safety net. Glenn On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:43 PM, RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer ID-10-T problems
That is classic ! On Jun 10, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: When a customer costs more then what you earn make her a Jetson. YOU'RE FIRED!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: EEE GADS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions Subject: [WISPA] Customer ID-10-T problems So we get an angry call from a customer demanding that we come out to fix their computer, because their Internet hasn't worked for a couple of months. Check the system logs, and yes - her link has been down for 13 days. Since we have an automated system that calls every two days when a customer is down for 48hours or longer, and then we have office staff call nearly every day after that period until we get an answer. At fourteen days, she had received no less than eight phone calls, none of which had been answered. We are very proactive about customer outages. Customer also had a long history of not responding to phone calls and had twice not been at home when our tech made the 50 mile round trip to her house. There was a bit of a history there. Now that we had her on the phone, we dropped everything and sent the nearest available tech to look at the problem. She has no idea how much of an effort that is right now because we have had THREE major hailstorms and multiple tornadoes come through our area in the last two weeks and all of our service staff and contractors are booked solid for two weeks to deal with radios damaged by the storms, ripped off of roofs, or re-aimed by the strong winds. It all boiled down to two simple things, one that is very common and one that we had never come across before. 1) Her POE was plugged in backwards. 2) After plugging in the POE, she was still getting a page could not be displayed page in Internet Explorer. Tech sat down and started doing some testing to see what was going on. Pings were fine, email seemed to work fine, technician's laptop got on and was able to do everything normal on her connection. Plugged it back into her computer and got the same error. Tech puts in our home page and it comes right up. Checks browser settings and find out that she had set her HOME PAGE to the dnserror.htm file (IE - the file that comes up when DNS isn't working) - which was putting up an error everytime she started her browser. #...@#$%@#...@#$%@#! Her next bill will have a $35 service call attached to it. I'd like to deliver it wrapped around a large rock through a window, but we will probably just put it in the mail. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquity Site Offline
Is it just me - or is the Ubiquity Site offline? I can see things via google cache only. Going to some pages directly - I see a cPanel error page. Hmmm - and I was hoping to be able to download the mac version of the ubiquity tool for locating radios http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/discovery/Discovery%20Tool-v2.3.app.tar :-( shows page not found _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Site Offline
It appears its coming back online. I live on the hosting side of the house primarily. Looks like they are having some fun issues. Not so fun Anyhow- Guess its coming back slowly - forums now work :-) so heres a short prayer for their sanity today. ... On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Shaddi Hasan wrote: Not just you, it appears to be down from NC as well. Noticed about an hour ago. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Is it just me - or is the Ubiquity Site offline? I can see things via google cache only. Going to some pages directly - I see a cPanel error page. Hmmm - and I was hoping to be able to download the mac version of the ubiquity tool for locating radios http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/discovery/Discovery%20Tool-v2.3.app.tar :-( shows page not found _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Site Offline
yup I love the R1soft backup system. It has saved our rear ends many times I can actually restore a database table or entire db of course to a snapshot just 15 min ago. Well worth its weight in Gold - Platinum and silver On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Shaddi Hasan wrote: sooner do I send that do I notice it's coming back. Seems their forums don't have anything more recent than March though... Could be ugly. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Site Offline
YUP Me 2. I think they are working on replacing the site. Hardware failure stinks - for sure. Time to find a new host - that can load balance on multiple servers perhaps :-) We can help :-) On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: That link below got me this: Greg On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Is it just me - or is the Ubiquity Site offline? I can see things via google cache only. Going to some pages directly - I see a cPanel error page. Hmmm - and I was hoping to be able to download the mac version of the ubiquity tool for locating radios http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/discovery/Discovery%20Tool-v2.3.app.tar :-( shows page not found _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Site Offline
I have seen issues w/ vsphere ... IMHO - use vsphere if on vmware - but make sure you do old fashioned backups as well as making sure you have your copies elsewhere. We use R1Soft's backup system and I have to say it is 100% awesome. The incremental backups are great. I can roll a clients database back to what it was 15 min before (or under) before the crash in minutes. Really nice ! On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Obviously that hosting company didn't invest in vSphere... On 6/18/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I had a hardware failure 5 years ago. Haven't had any more kids since. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Site Offline Michael Ford said their hosting provider had hardware failure. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: yup I love the R1soft backup system. It has saved our rear ends many times I can actually restore a database table or entire db of course to a snapshot just 15 min ago. Well worth its weight in Gold - Platinum and silver On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Shaddi Hasan wrote: sooner do I send that do I notice it's coming back. Seems their forums don't have anything more recent than March though... Could be ugly. __ ___ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Site Offline
yes I run R1soft inside the vm instance itself. Absolutely Awesome. w/ Cpanel clients can even start their own restorations! On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: So you're using R1soft to backup the guests as if they were real machines? Not using the vmx and vmdk? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have seen issues w/ vsphere ... IMHO - use vsphere if on vmware - but make sure you do old fashioned backups as well as making sure you have your copies elsewhere. We use R1Soft's backup system and I have to say it is 100% awesome. The incremental backups are great. I can roll a clients database back to what it was 15 min before (or under) before the crash in minutes. Really nice ! On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Obviously that hosting company didn't invest in vSphere... On 6/18/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I had a hardware failure 5 years ago. Haven't had any more kids since. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Site Offline Michael Ford said their hosting provider had hardware failure. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: yup I love the R1soft backup system. It has saved our rear ends many times I can actually restore a database table or entire db of course to a snapshot just 15 min ago. Well worth its weight in Gold - Platinum and silver On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Shaddi Hasan wrote: sooner do I send that do I notice it's coming back. Seems their forums don't have anything more recent than March though... Could be ugly. __ ___ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access
funny - I just emailed him the same thing :-) Thanks Bob On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Robert West wrote: Covered by County Connections, WISPA member. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access Anyone ? Nike-95 8890 Factory Shops Blvd, Bld 8 - Twr 4 Jeffersonville, OH 43128 Might get some free shoes. Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access
ROFL On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Robert West wrote: But did you spell it wrong? I win! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access funny - I just emailed him the same thing :-) Thanks Bob On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Robert West wrote: Covered by County Connections, WISPA member. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access Anyone ? Nike-95 8890 Factory Shops Blvd, Bld 8 - Twr 4 Jeffersonville, OH 43128 Might get some free shoes. Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, new IP addresses blackholed
https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo Well worth being on if you have issues ... On Jun 28, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hiya Alan, I'm not on any NANOG lists. Don't even know what that is. I'm NOT the router guy here. I'm the wireless guy. (Butch is the router guy for my company.) marlon - Original Message - From: Alan Bryant a...@gtekcommunications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, new IP addresses blackholed On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, We're trying to get some newly assigned IP addresses to work right. 199.204.200.x thru 199.204.208.x My upstream tells me that their upstream is trying to work with ATT on the issue (that's where a trace route dies). We can get to most internet sites, but those within ATT's network seem to be dumping into a black hole. I've GOT to get my addresses online. We're completely out of space on two of our class c's. Any ideas for me? marlon Marlon, Have you tried posting to NANOG to see if someone from ATT is on there that could help? -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
In regards to most of these folks - have you been to their town parades? In PA - you cannot go to a coal mining town and not see a tribute to the miners. We could say the same for the many who died building the large buildings in our cities. Can you name others who are fighting - and putting it all on the line right now? I can - Sheriff Depts across the nation, Fire and EMS across the nation Probation Officers, Highway Workers (yup they die quite a bit) and yes our military. Fayette County Hospital has representation in the parade, so do the churches, as does even McDonalds - Community Action, and even Farmers - just check how much farm equipment goes in the parade... so ... again - where do you find that there is less representation? The ideal you speak of is the simple fact that while many in this nation think its okay to burn the flag we have those who will stand up and take a bullet defending the freedom to burn the flag. In regards to the miners - they were doing it for a paycheck. PERIOD. I am willing to bet if you would like you can pay homage to those folks - and I think many here in Fayette County would join you. I fail to see where they are getting priority. In regards to Kent State - how many folks were injured in trying to protect Property and Lives? Slashing a hose line on a firefighter in my opinion is nothing short of Attempted Murder. Don't believe me - let me put you in a burning building without a water line - Any other firefighters on the list care to comment? In 1999 Kent University constructed an individual memorial for each of the students in the parking lot between Taylor and Prentice halls. Each of the four memorials is located on the exact spot where the student fell, mortally wounded. Crosby Stills Nash went to Kent State campus for the first time on May 4, 1997, where they performed the song for the May 4 Task Force's 27th annual commemoration. Something tells me that if your requesting that the military not be given any homage on the 4th - than I am right in stating since May 4th every year pays homage to the 4 who died @ Kent state... its okay for us to ignore them on the 4th as well... July 4th is about the Birth of a Nation - It is not about the Memory of those who Died in keeping its freedom.Thats a different Holiday called... Memorial Day. If that is your argument I can agree - but the rest - seems like scatter On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:31 PM, Robert West wrote: The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families at Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people ALSO made the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. These are the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get down to it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to fight for us. In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of Americanism more than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment with not thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one ordered them to do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. No one should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. We all are supposed to fight for all of us. Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many,
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
BOB My office is next to yours - basically... In your part of the country? Are you serious? Let me ask a silly question - if those in our part of the country were to read this message thread - what do you think they would say? In regards to domestically - there are tons that protect our freedoms. But the 4th is about the Birth of a Nation. I seriously think your opinion here is Jacked. And thats just my opinion. We can agree to disagree - and we can also agree to agree that there is more to our freedoms than the military. Anyhow - since the WISPA list is not for this kind of discussion - feel free to hit me up in person - via email etc. Bottom line - lets keep the politics for the WISPA list to be about 1 thing - the politics that surround being a WISP. My apologies to the group for going down this path bob - we can continue - just hit me off list - so we don't break the list rules and both loose our freedom of posting here ;-) On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what?Who is here to protect you? That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. We are the protection. All of us. Together. How can anyone argue with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. off the soapbox God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL
Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software
Zabbix is very simple to use - have tons of the mib's for the hardware you use ready if interested On Jul 3, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Robert West wrote: ng the dude but haven't looked at the others you mention. I'll give it a look see. Thanks, Josh. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software
Cactimadeeasy is a great way to begin there PS - where you moving the noc ? On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:55 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote: Cacti, Smokeping and Nagios On 7/2/2010 9:17 PM, Robert West wrote: Moving the NOC across town.. Yeah, sucks but doing it and it looks to be a positive thing in the long run. Will be installing a nice air- conditioned, dark and ZEN NOC. (Sandalwood Incense optional) Big 56 LCD monitors, Mikrotik and UBNT hardware, DUDE servers.. (Air control blows at the moment, sorry Ben.)What monitoring software are you losers... Uh... Ahem...WISPS using? J Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script
Mike - what unit? On Jul 11, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Mike wrote: Does anyone have a way to control a Digital Loggers Ethernet switch they would share? I want to be able to say create a batch file or small executable to power cycle certain ports. Thanks, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
i have seen this as well on the linksys hardware - but then again what good is linksys hardware? doorstops maybe. Trendnet, Netgear and others seem to have them beat... I was hoping when Cisco made the purchase they would get better... alas - time to stop holding my breath. Bob - SOHO on what ubnt units? On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote: My problem with the latest DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to overheat or lockup. At least on the Linksys hardware. Not as good anymore. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT got me. We simply use MT. Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but sounds like more work than it needs to be. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the only way to go on a SOHO routers. Why? What's the benefits? What's the down falls? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
Yeah - Imagine that.$17,763 per line!I wish I had their grant writer on staff ! Via: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/rural-telco-serves-17-people-rakes-in-300k-of-your-money.ars ATT was insanely profitable in 2009, with $34.4 billion in revenue and $12.5 billion in net income. The company even returned most of this cash ($9.7 billion) to investors as dividends. So why did the US government direct $435 million into the company's coffers? Thank (or blame) the Universal Service Fund, which last year collected $7.2 billion dollars from phone companies—charges that are passed on to consumers, often as a separate line item on their bills. The money amounts to a 14 percent tax on phone service. It pays for four things: telephone service to expensive-to-wire places, subsidies for low-income users, computers and Internet access for schools, and telecommunications services for rural health care providers. Most of the money goes to install and maintain high-cost phone service, usually in rural areas. The House Energy and Commerce Committee is investigating the USF, a notorious pit of inefficiency and error—for instance, half the high-cost money paid out in 2009, a full $2 billion, went to rate of return telcos who are allowed to make an 11.25 percent profit. If they don't, the government makes up the difference. The FCC has now supplied more detailed USF data to Congress. Among the revelations: ATT has pulled down more than $1.3 billion in USF money over the last three years, while Verizon got $1.2 billion and CenturyTel picked up $930 million. In return, the companies must provide phone service to anyone in their service area who wants it. Outrageous? Possibly. The program has been a useful one, making telephone service in the US truly ubiquitous, but critics have always charged that telcos get far too much cash, or got cash for projects they would have done anyway. Cecilia Kang at the Washington Post pointed out some of these complaints last week. And the new FCC documents certainly provide fodder for critics. $17,763 per line There's the case of Weavtel, a tiny Washington state telco that raked in $301,966 in USF money in 2009—all in order to support 17 copper telephone lines. That's an average of $17,763 per line. In 2008, the company was paid $188,382 for the 15 phones lines that it serviced, for an average of $12,559 per line. In 2007, Weavtel supported 14 lines at an average of $16,621 per line. Ponder these numbers for a moment. The company had already built the local exchange infrastructure needed to handle phone calls in 2007, but it still received almost $500,000 over the next two years—and it added service to a grand total of three lines in that time. In three years, the $700,000 spent on phone service for these 17 residents could have been used instead to simply buy sat phones and satellite Internet—and pay for service—for the remote community of Stehekin, a place so remote that it is bordered by a national forest and is accessible only by boat. In 2005, Weavtel tried to begin the project and ran into local opposition from Stehekin residents (the Seattle Times ran a nice profile of the town at the time, explaining the controversy over the phones). In a letter to residents (PDF), Weavtel noted that there is a difference of opinion concerning the number of people who want telephone service. It is also clear that some people do want service. We have made a business decision that the number of people who do want service makes this a viable business opportunity. Seventeen people paying monthly phone bills isn't much of a business opportunity... not unless the government directs a few hundred thousand dollars a year toward the project (and lets you run your towers and lines over federal parkland, as the company requested). Weavtel, in fact, collected the most money per line of any telco in the entire US in 2009. But still, a case might be made for service to Stehekin, which has never had a local exchange. The FCC numbers show, however, that plenty of USF money is also being paid out to local telcos in areas that already have plenty of cell phone coverage. It's a policy that makes increasingly little sense for a program whose basic goal is mere voice connectivity. Terral Telephone Company serves rural Oklahoma, and in 2009 it took home $1.6 million in USF money to provide service to 246 lines. That's $6,563 per line, per year, one of the highest rates in the country. Unlike Weavtel, though, Terral's customers have a choice. The FCC points out that the company's service area is 100 percent covered by ATT, Sprint, and Verizon. T-Mobile has 95 percent coverage. None of these carriers received USF high-cost support for this area in 2009. Reform a-comin' The FCC hopes to (finally) reform many of the worst elements of the USF system. In its National Broadband Plan, the agency argued that rate of return carriers
Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
That was my question. I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP and Internet... - but then again I guess we all would Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should - when we can service so many more. On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote: WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband? Noodle me that... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
interesting ... did not see that yet but peeking now On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Robert West wrote: The M series firmware has a SOHO router option. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT i have seen this as well on the linksys hardware - but then again what good is linksys hardware? doorstops maybe. Trendnet, Netgear and others seem to have them beat... I was hoping when Cisco made the purchase they would get better... alas - time to stop holding my breath. Bob - SOHO on what ubnt units? On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote: My problem with the latest DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to overheat or lockup. At least on the Linksys hardware. Not as good anymore. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT got me. We simply use MT. Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but sounds like more work than it needs to be. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the only way to go on a SOHO routers. Why? What's the benefits? What's the down falls? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing how much more ram you can get on those suckers On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote: Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever. All of the Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen, but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck. DD-WRT is cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy land. Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash. Still going strong. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT Which package were you running? There's a number of different variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt). The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code bloats). Greg On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote: My problem with the latest DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to overheat or lockup. At least on the Linksys hardware. Not as good anymore. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT got me. We simply use MT. Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but sounds like more work than it needs to be. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the only way to go on a SOHO routers. Why? What's the benefits? What's the down falls? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
Rick - In the end I agree with you. On Jul 13, 2010, at 11:52 AM, RickG wrote: You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the free government money attitude is what was at the root of our country's downfall. Most WISP's are built on independance. We should fight against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example? On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money for nuttin? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line That was my question. I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP and Internet... - but then again I guess we all would Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should - when we can service so many more. On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote: WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband? Noodle me that... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
distance? On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
Stick with Kohler. There are tons of brands - however... The Sine wave that is produced buy others will absolutely kill your UPS's Take it from someone that has learned the hard way. Cat has some higher end that work very well - as well. Kohler does much of what the PMG will do for you naturally. Also OVERSIZE... Our needs are 60 - so we went with 130KW. Gruber Power will spec everything for you out at no cost.then use that to shop around :-) On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I’ve heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It’s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS’s and PDU’s, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Generators
You could also simply use both. there are kits to allow either/or for most genset's On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Ours is a 35kW from Cummins Power Generation. We chose to run ours on propane so as to require little maintenance and full independence from other utilities (Natural Gas). We sized our tank so as to have plenty of runtime and the propane co is just down the road in case we need an emergency fill. -Paul On Jul 29, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Stick with Kohler. There are tons of brands - however... The Sine wave that is produced buy others will absolutely kill your UPS's Take it from someone that has learned the hard way. Cat has some higher end that work very well - as well. Kohler does much of what the PMG will do for you naturally. Also OVERSIZE... Our needs are 60 - so we went with 130KW. Gruber Power will spec everything for you out at no cost.then use that to shop around :-) On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator. Looking for probably 30-45kW. I’ve heard people say I need a PMG Exciter?? Anyone with experience in doing this? It’s to support our datacenter, a few racks, a few 2200 UPS’s and PDU’s, and Cooling. I find all kinds of different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DOS attack
Jeremie
there are a few ways to investigate a suspect DOS attack.
First and foremost you want to take a peek at your incoming connections.
Do you see a large influx of incoming traffic?
If so - are you able to identify where it is coming from?
Chances are if you know where it is coming from you can simply ask your
provider to null route the traffic ahead of you.
Commands like netstat -na can be a great friend in these cases if you have the
ability to place something in between the connections.
I personally love PFSense for this reason. PFSense can operate as a
transparent firewall (and many other things... ) But for Free - it is an
excellent tool - loads on virtually any x86 system with 2 NIC cards.
Anyhow - Folks that do Dos or DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) generally
attack port 80 as well as mail ports.
Many WISPs will keep port 80 open to the general public so they can reach the
radio's configuration windows.
While it is not something I would suggest - for a variety of reasons - chances
are the port 80 of a customers radio is what is getting wacked.
Generally dDos come in as udp packets to other ports - simply because of how
UDP works - it does not cause them as much of an issue as it would you.
So - a few commands might help here.
netstat -lpn | grep :80 | awk '{print $5}'|cut -d: -f 1|sort|uniq -c|sort -nk 1
you can change the 80 above to any port you wish such as 25 for smtp, 53 for
dns/named , etc etc etc...
This should show you the # of connections from a specific IP.
If you have a small # of connections from very large numbers of IP addresses -
then chances are you might be under DDOS.
If there are a very large # of connections from just a few ip's than it should
be simple enough to ask the ISP to block or null route those IP addresses.
One last note -
You might want to check the IP's against nslookup or use the DNSStuff.com
toolset.
I have helped a few through these over the years and when they block the DNS
servers many folks use like 208.67.222.222 or 8.8.8.8 it really stinks for
folks... for sure.
So you want to make sure you are blocking the right thing of course.
Are you running anything like NTOP ? There are a few simple things to have in
place to watch incoming traffic when needed vs hoping that it goes away...
Kick back to me if your lost - and we can go off list for some help
Glenn
On Aug 2, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
I noticed on Friday that everything I had seemed very slow. I went through
checking the usual things and found no problem. After digging into
everything I could put my hands on, I resorted to calling my upstream to see
if they noticed any problems. They of course said no. At 430 that afternoon
I got a call from one of their engineers stating that they had experienced
a DOS attack that was affecting certain customers. They made some changes
and it actually seemed to work better than before. Even my latency times had
dropped. Today the problem seems to be creeping back to the same way it was
Friday. My question is, is there a way to determine in the future that this
is happening. Is there something specific that would lead me to the
conclusion that in fact that is what is going on.
--
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
This could be a huge advantage to you. Walk with me a second... or two. If a client wishes a Dedicated IP address that works for services such as Gaming, VPN, etc. Then let them pay a little extra for it. I see this as a natural money maker myself. -- glenn On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network? On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
or do 1 to 1 nat On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else. In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you are doing NAT. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict (I think it's called open?). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Time Warner is about $15 In this neck of the woods there are not that many providers - you going elsewhere would necessitate you either going into business for yourself or moving to Sneaker Net ;-) On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Around here everyone charges 15 for a static. On Aug 2, 2010 7:29 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna... - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA Gener... Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Tr... On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: I would a... Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL ro... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you guys posted... Cameron On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a discount, especially on in network doctors. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the quoted rate is. Hospital is pretty much the same way. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a reasonable bill.. more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN
For the router ... I can suggest a quick solution, PFSENSE - or Vyatta. Best part - both are 100% FREE Replacing a computer much of the time is much cheaper than a router... AND - these do a much better job for sure. On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
Here is a simple solution for UBNT Reboots Turn on the SSH Port - then simply assign a username/password to the unit (which you technically already have of course since you have an admin user) Then run a script to go out and poll systems w/ the command reboot pretty simple reboot -y a simple linux box running a shell command on cron can reset tons of radios for you :-) On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:48 AM, Robert West wrote: I hear ya, my brother. Had 2 Bullet M5’s “Stop” this week. Had to go out to do a simple reboot. The magic reboot fixed all. I wish the UBNT firmware had a reboot at “X” day or time function. I’d certainly use it. Me- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
/I think when you become a member of Wispa you should be sent a TShirt that says Friends don't let Friends bridge networks ;-) On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: Forbes, I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could you share the Wireshark you learned from Brett? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being in WISPA. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
That is about the best way to do it. Biggest thing is to find which tower its happening on. If you have the ability to subnet / segment towers into different ranges - This helps a great deal. In short - you can have each sector or backhaul to other towers on their own segment - so the entire network does not go down but rather 1 leg. If your using a good switch - enable STP (Spanning Tree Protocol) and voila - the rest of your network is saved. NOW ... IMPORTANT ... If your equipment (and UBNT Does) all supports STP - turn it on. If you have a few legs to the network all under 1 segment - (ie - you use a backhaul to a remote location and then tree out from there) one section or branch of the tree might shut off - but everyone else would stay live. Really handy on a long summer weekend for sure. It simply tells you what direction to head :-) On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Ron, I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or just where is WireShark? The program I just got from google. Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network. Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person was on. I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend! Let me know if you need any other help. Those guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right on! Forbes On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: Forbes, I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could you share the Wireshark you learned from Brett? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being in WISPA. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
We have had some get water in them - interestingly enough it seems like it is always from the antenna cable the Ubiquity unit itself seems rock solid. Turn on STP everywhere and no worries :-) On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Forbes, Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole network. If this is the case I’ll factor that in when I consider deploying UBNT or not. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!! Ron, I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or just where is WireShark? The program I just got from google. Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network. Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person was on. I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend! Let me know if you need any other help. Those guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right on! Forbes On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: Forbes, I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could you share the Wireshark you learned from Brett? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being in WISPA. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - IP addressing question
Jason - chances are they may be unable to peer w/ BGP depending upon who their provider is and what they have contracted for. You want someone that can push your own BGP route - and you want the ability to control your own destiny. BGP is not that difficult - give me a hollar off list - and I can check the provider your looking into - give you a hint on how to check their connectivity etc When a provider tells you - we cannot do BGP - it is a huge red flag. I know of a provider that gives fiber to office buildings in the city - limits them to say 10mbps on a port and their head end is 5 docsis cable modems from Comcast Speed is there - but their provider Comcast did not allow BGP on a cable modem. So - it hurts not knowing the other side of the connection sometimes Glenn On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Provider is solid – but just getting into the actual providing of Internet connectivity (to this point they have just done fiber transport). I have a feeling that by the time we actually switch they will have BGP capability (we’re 6 months out right now) – just trying to figure out if I’m able to advertise my blocks on my own without BGP at all, or, if I need to use BGP to advertise them and it just pass on through my upstream. I’m by far not the most familiar with how BGP works. I’ll probably just do a whole lot of reading on BGP over the next month or so and get more familiar with it. My current provider just walked me through the config so it was pretty easy J. Thanks! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 9:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - IP addressing question The provider does not do BGP? That doesn’t sound like a provider I would not want to do business with. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:14:58 -0500 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Slightly OT - IP addressing question I've got my own ARIN block and right now I'm peered with my upstream running BGP (single-homed). I'm looking at changing providers but the company I'm looking at does not do BGP. I'm a little in the dark on route advertisements, etc, and I don't understand how my block will be accessible if I'm not running BGP with another provider. I have to give ARIN my peers ASNs if I remember right, so what happens if I move to someone that possibly doesn't even have an ASN? Is there some documentation somewhere on this or someone who can help me out a little bit? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Longview TX
Blake - i love it are they looking for a wire - or what ha ha - you must have seen the many many slams on this list before :-) funny how little things make my day On Aug 17, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: Got a call from a business needing service in Longview TX. I have no idea about how much bandwidth, but I will pass on the info to anyone that can help them out. And before the 2404850834845 questions start, I am posting this to the WIRELESS INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS mailing list. That would insinuate that they are wanting WIRELESS INTERNET. I know not where in Longview - all I have is the name and the phone number. Did I mention this was for WIRELESS INTERNET? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vonage
I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29 a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more friendly Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on your equipment this may not be possible) nat on nat on Nat is really stinky On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: They are natting three times at the customer site?! Get them closer to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing hell. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright. I had trouble with understanding them. Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing voice, no dial tone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: hi all, We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as follows: Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the Vonage box. I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has a better understanding of this. Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vonage
I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters. Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: ALL VOIP Adapters Phones, Do not like Double Natting Absolutely not true. I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go: Public ip - IS Rebel, nat 1 - customer radio, nat 2 - customer soho router, nat 3 - ATA It is more dependent on your voice gateway then it is the ATA, in my experience. Asterisk wouldn't work at all. Genband has been flawless since July 2006. The phone room has a dozen of these little adapters and we've never had problems with them, only issue was a customer had some cheap phone and needed to replace it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29 a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more friendly Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on your equipment this may not be possible) nat on nat on Nat is really stinky On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: They are natting three times at the customer site?! Get them closer to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing hell. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright. I had trouble with understanding them. Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing voice, no dial tone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: hi all, We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as follows: Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the Vonage box. I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has a better understanding of this. Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need
Re: [WISPA] Comcast
Time to choose a new colo center then. I have some stuff in various dc's and can get well over 100mbps from them if needed. On Aug 27, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Matt wrote: I was primarily thinking along the lines of how much bandwidth you could truly route into then out of such a setup. I had a co-lo's where I could push 100mb/s out, but barely 20mb/s in, because they sold most of the inbound off to ISPs in the area and they were pretty much at saturation. We have one server in a colocation center. When I run iperf tests to it with one of our DS3's it always maxes out the DS3. I imagine it depends on the quality of your colocation center. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Charging for business setup
It really depends upon the service. Are they purchasing cable modem / dsl or fiber / t1(+/1) service The prices quoted by Robert here are true for cable modem stuff DSL T1 installs can - depending upon location go over 1K Fiber can be around $2K from Time Warner depending on location ALSO - keep in mind the length of the contract. a 1 year term vs a 5 year term the install fees on Fiber and/or cable modem from Time Warner are very different. So - best to ask them for right of first refusal on the bid and outbid but dont under Blessings, On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Robert West wrote: Time Warner charges for a business install and the amount depends on the salesperson but I've seen 200 bucks being the average. ATT doesn't charge for install here but you have to purchase your modem from them and way above the normal cost. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Charging for business setup Do Comcast, ATT, etc. charge for setup\install on business lines? I got MRCs off their web sites, but not NRCs. I have an MTU project I'm looking at and want to be competitive, but not give away the farm. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
they will give it to you with much less than 75mbps best just to ask them :-) On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Jon Auer wrote: On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also told me 75mbps was the magic number. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: No clue, Just going f... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors
yup 5ghz and trees don't tend to work well together... 5ghz is a pure LOS in most situations - especially w/ UBNT stuff On Aug 30, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Robert West wrote: Have LOTS of them, both the larger And smaller ones. Work great at line of site but they don't have much penetration of obstacles at all. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors Any feedback on these at 5 Ghz would be appreciated WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
ROFL thanks for making my night Mike... 4 inches ROFL On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Ubiquiti M won't do 100 megs full duplex at 4 inches. It just can't go that fast. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 8:40 PM, Robert West wrote: Sadly no. At half that distance, yes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francescopaolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail
[WISPA] solar power setup
I am looking for a shopping list to build for the following setup: I need to create a solar power setup for a remote location The location will be running two Ubiqutiy 5ghz radios - not much. I would like to have enough battery power to last say 4 days w/ the system not having any sun - but I could live with 48 hours ... Does anyone have a good source for inexpensive (but good) solar panels? and perhaps a good shopping list for this project. my first time getting into the solar stuff... I moved about 8 miles out of town and need to setup a point to point w/ a hop in between to the house _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?
Another option is a simple router - that does vlans - vlan to the switch and go from there :-) On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic. On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any suggestions? For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections to customers from this ring of backhauls. Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask, why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find something that's only so-so at either task. (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this network layout.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?
You could simply build a pfsense and/or a vyatta router with an alix board and a few nics - Let me do a few searches - and will let you know what I find On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: Cisco and Juniper are both failing to have a reasonable product. $60,000+ is a bit too expensive. On 09/08/2010 03:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It also adds points of failure, increases power consumption, etc. I'm sure Cisco or Juniper could handle it, but I'm not sure whom else. Maybe a PowerRouter? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/8/2010 5:17 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: Yeah that is an option, but increases the management overhead which is one of the primary things I am trying to reduce. On 09/08/2010 03:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Another option is a simple router - that does vlans - vlan to the switch and go from there :-) On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic. On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any suggestions? For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections to customers from this ring of backhauls. Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask, why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find something that's only so-so at either task. (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this network layout.) David Smith MVN.nethttp://MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ *Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.commailto:gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?
vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work - pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price) :-) On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling... There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do what you are looking for. Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used market place. In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on the secondary markets about $8 to $10k You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000 Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power... Everything else is big and consumes power. Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers located at DataCenters or NOC... If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for, please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am sharing above with you is what we have found so far. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote: Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 switches... You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or greater you aren't going to find that. The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You should be able to get it for $30-50K. Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been known to do. Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route reflector to the customer and vice versa. Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border router/route reflector. Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like the most straightforward solution to me. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkinsm...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any suggestions? For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections to customers from this ring of backhauls. - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?
Is this going on a stick on in a building. We have an opensource Vyatta running circles around the old Vax 7200 stuff GigE even is not an issue - but used a Dell R300 with 8GB ram to do it. Still much cheaper than most anything else on the planet for the same config On Sep 8, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: e sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of traffic... 100meg no problem. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Bob - your using time warners bandwidth - simply use theirs - your ip ranges are theirs anyhow - best results - as I have found :-) On Sep 12, 2010, at 11:03 PM, Robert West wrote: I use Speedtest.Net for my own tests to verify my CPE settings. Yeah, sometimes it sucks but I have to change to a better server normally and I tell the customer the same thing. Right now we are defaulted to some B.S. speed test server with a 73ms ping time! WTF!73MS???!!! Flippin’ stupid! Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] speed test OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
If your mixing non airmax with airmax - about 50 is the max if not - then seems much better - just run airmax :-) hope that helps On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Glenn, My concern is I already have 58 clients on a MT AP. I need Double that. Your saying you don’t see more than 50 working right. Please explain. UBNT says 300 Clients per AP no problem. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge experience here shows sub 50 as a max - for the price point - it cannot be beat however On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Polling is what makes systems like Canopy and Nstreme shine. The polling is different than the MIMO technology. Mimo is Antenna and TDMA is polling. 802.11 was never designed for outdoor so the polling is flawed for such purposes. I have seen 5ghz Mikrotik units with nstreme enabled that had 70 clients at 3meg burstable speeds. I am interested to see how many clients an airmax AP can handle. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:30:04 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Forbes, so are you saying: if I change and go to a Rocket with Airmax dual pol antenna and I have a client with a UBNT Bullet M2 HP Connected to a Laird 24Dbi Grid Vertical only dish, that even though the Bullet has Airmax as part of it, it wont connect. Or are you saying that all your clients need to be new with Airmax ability? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down
On your ubnt equipment - did you enable stp ? using a syslog -? might show a good amount of info if so On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Brett, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Mikrotik programming so I wanted to ask you this. Last week and further back about four times a week we had a cascading crash of our bridged network whereas the LAN side of the Mikrotik Backhauls would crash presumably from traffic. Wireshark showed some anomalies such as IPv6 traffic, some ICMP sneaking through the filters, a random STP Cisco and some TCP flooding but really nothing that should take down so many radios, a simple reboot fixed the problem and it didn't happen again for a day to several days later. Friday we changed out three Mikrotik backhauls and AP's with Ubiquity gear and upgraded our Bandwidth manager enhancing its rules as well. Today we're having the same attack as before but now it's not taking down the system, Our bandwidth monitor is pegged on incoming traffic and outgoing traffic at 176% of normal (we normally peak at 99% download 30% up) but no radio's are going down, our system latency at the affected tower is 300ms and we're getting intermittent down alarms. Its great because we have the first chance to go customer by customer trying to find the source but I guess I'm asking if you have any ideas how to find or filter this problem? We think the source is comin Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however but open to some ideas for sure On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the town from both sides, and a mesh through out town? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Nick White wrote: Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10 miles from the town, the other is East, 11 miles from the town. This town is heavily covered by trees. Most customers thus far have no LOS to either tower, or are skimming the tops/sides of trees. Fortunately I'm still able to pull off signals in the -62 to -80 RX range, using a NBM2 or NSM2 for CPE and Rocket M2 for AP. My RX signals at the AP are -69 to -84. I have the possibility to put repeater APs on a radio station tower that is about 2 blocks from the middle of town - approximately 50' off the ground. From this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. Noise levels vary, but there is DSL in town, so a lot of people have wireless APs in-house. My worst noise level on a customer is -83, but they're using a NSM2 instead of NBM2. The customers with NBM2 are typically -100 to -104 noise. Right now I'm just looking for other's input on these kinds of repeater situations? Experience with trees? What signal levels through trees, under 1 mile distance? How about 5.8Ghz or 3.65Ghz? How about CCQ with trees? I would like to ultimately be able to provide 10+Mbps burstable service, as there is DSL in this town. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
Is there a way to do openmesh without having to give them revenue? On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: how about Ubiquti with Openmesh _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
I can ask our licensing guy - he had seemed for some reason to think this was the rule. Thanks for the heads up.. worth asking again @ least. I have a location I can use it now - (to get to my own home) - we are looking @ 290 foot - or want to @ least Thanks On Sep 13, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I am unaware of the 99 limit. I actually have a set at 185 ft. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!
hoverboard I suppose... - truth is I am wondering the same thing - as I can see some of those being able to be used on some huge trees we have in locations - ie... my yard for example. On Sep 14, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I have no idea how people use standoffs. How do you access the gear on the standoff? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 9:36 PM, Robert West wrote: I know you got ‘em. I’m looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector antennas. I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20” structural tube to mount to, three sided classic 1980’s tower. 300 footer. I’m the king at ripping off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad) and am looking for some good ideas for this thing. I’d say pretty please but I’m not that pretty and I never please. Well, so says the wife.. *sigh* Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
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[WISPA] Kernel Patching
Just a heads up. Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat and other systems similar. There is a pretty big security flaw on the 64 bit side of these systems now labeled as CVE-2010-3081 In short The flaw identified by CVE-2010-3081 (Red Hat Bugzilla bug 634457) describes an issue in the 32/64-bit compatibility layer implementation in the Linux kernel, versions 2.6.26-rc1 to 2.6.36-rc4. The compat_alloc_user_space() function is missing a sanity check on the length argument, and also a check to make sure the pointer to the block of memory in user-space that the process is attempting to write to is valid. This flaw was addressed via the upstream git commit c41d68a5 for the 2.6 Linux kernel. This function could be abused in other areas of the Linux kernel if the length argument can be controlled from user-space. A known example of this is the compat_mc_getsockopt() function for MCAST_MSFILTER that was introduced in upstream git commit 42908c69 (v2.6.26-rc1). You can easily fix this by implementing the patch located here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c41d68a513c71e35a14f66d71782d27a79a81ea6. As always - if you are stuck -please do not hesitate to contact me offlist - while the patch is from 9/19/10 - many wispa's have not patched their systems simply because they don't know they needed to. As always - when in doubt check the security lists out :-) _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching
lol Red Hat has not actually pushed anything out yet - even though others have... makes me wonder what they are thinking On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Thanks for the update. Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code! On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Just a heads up. Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat and other systems similar. There is a pretty big security flaw on the 64 bit side of these systems now labeled as CVE-2010-3081 In short The flaw identified by CVE-2010-3081 (Red Hat Bugzilla bug 634457) describes an issue in the 32/64-bit compatibility layer implementation in the Linux kernel, versions 2.6.26-rc1 to 2.6.36-rc4. The compat_alloc_user_space() function is missing a sanity check on the length argument, and also a check to make sure the pointer to the block of memory in user-space that the process is attempting to write to is valid. This flaw was addressed via the upstream git commit c41d68a5 for the 2.6 Linux kernel. This function could be abused in other areas of the Linux kernel if the length argument can be controlled from user-space. A known example of this is the compat_mc_getsockopt() function for MCAST_MSFILTER that was introduced in upstream git commit 42908c69 (v2.6.26-rc1). You can easily fix this by implementing the patch located here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c41d68a513c71e35a14f66d71782d27a79a81ea6. As always - if you are stuck -please do not hesitate to contact me offlist - while the patch is from 9/19/10 - many wispa's have not patched their systems simply because they don't know they needed to. As always - when in doubt check the security lists out :-) _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching
I believe that is called shoe and leather - yes ? On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Thanks for the update. Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code! On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Just a heads up. Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat and other systems similar. There is a pretty big security flaw on the 64 bit side of these systems now labeled as CVE-2010-3081 In short The flaw identified by CVE-2010-3081 (Red Hat Bugzilla bug 634457) describes an issue in the 32/64-bit compatibility layer implementation in the Linux kernel, versions 2.6.26-rc1 to 2.6.36-rc4. The compat_alloc_user_space() function is missing a sanity check on the length argument, and also a check to make sure the pointer to the block of memory in user-space that the process is attempting to write to is valid. This flaw was addressed via the upstream git commit c41d68a5 for the 2.6 Linux kernel. This function could be abused in other areas of the Linux kernel if the length argument can be controlled from user-space. A known example of this is the compat_mc_getsockopt() function for MCAST_MSFILTER that was introduced in upstream git commit 42908c69 (v2.6.26-rc1). You can easily fix this by implementing the patch located here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c41d68a513c71e35a14f66d71782d27a79a81ea6. As always - if you are stuck -please do not hesitate to contact me offlist - while the patch is from 9/19/10 - many wispa's have not patched their systems simply because they don't know they needed to. As always - when in doubt check the security lists out :-) _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email hosting
Bob Just imagine when a customer sends out an email asking for someone to renew their credit card or something else - and uses your domain... and sends it to your customer(s) I know a few this has happened with. It is always best to use something different. just my 2 cents. On Sep 21, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Robert West wrote: Email? I stopped with the email long ago however, we have some that INSIST on it so we just add them to our email account on our host. We pay a whole 100 bucks for a shared hosting account at IX Hosting. If they want email, we just add it to our unlimited' accounts for a 5 buck a month charge. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Mann Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:23 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting Hello, We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with their service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can stick with for a long time. What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service reliability. Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for business? It is one among several we are considering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency
we sent a number of UBNT radios down and both 2.4 and 5.8 were a mess... Airmax helped - but your right - stuff was just left running - who knows where. Our team did a bunch for the United Methodist Church - and have some backhauls hopping all the way to the DR vs purchasing local. 5.1 seemed to be very open however Hit me off list - and I will see what I can do to get some folks hooked up w/ you depending on location On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I'm in South America but way way out in the jungle. It's the wild wild west out here so compliance is easy. Regulations? We don't need no stinking regulations! This place is quieter than an anechoic chamber. But I know a guy who's running a wisp in town. His problem is it's the wild wild west there too. 2.4GHz is a mess. He just went to 5.8GHz for back hauls which is still reasonably pristine but I'm sure that will change. I think all the things that apply in your neck of the woods will apply in Haiti - use sectors on the APs to help deal with interference, use the narrowest possible beam width on back hauls and 5.8GHz is probably the smart way to go, use as little power as possible, starting with Airmax now will probably prevent future problems with interference. Though in Haiti I imagine equipment theft at remote sites could be a problem. Never been to Haiti but I used to sail to the relatively richer half of the island (Dominican Republic) and it was the wild wild west there too. One time the captain wanted to test the calibration of the RDF so we tuned in the radio beacon. The Dominican Republic's callsign block is HI. The beacon transmits it's callsign in morse code. The beacon's callsign was HIV. Greg On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Robert West wrote: Who on the list are in South America? May be similar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Nano5M Secondary RJ45 Port PoE Burnout!
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID
multi-ssid on a nano ? On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID
Absolutely Awesome ! On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up. wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap ifconfig ath1 up iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid add encryption and ect with iwconifg On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: multi-ssid on a nano ? On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Solar panel calculation
I found a nice little tool to help w/ solar panel calculations http://www.virtualsecrets.com/solar-panel-battery-calculators.html Hoping that helps others :-) _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] COICA
https://www.eff.org/coica Not looking to get into the politics side - but passing this along as a link for those that wish to know about it. You can find out more details on the bill here: https://eff.org/coica --- Open letter from Internet engineers to members of the Senate Judiciary Committee: We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the standards and protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented parts of it. We're just a little proud of the social and economic benefits that our project, the Internet, has brought with it. We are writing to oppose the Committee's proposed new Internet censorship and copyright bill. If enacted, this legislation will risk fragmenting the Internet's global domain name system (DNS), create an environment of tremendous fear and uncertainty for technological innovation, and seriously harm the credibility of the United States in its role as a steward of key Internet infrastructure. In exchange for this, the bill will introduce censorship that will simultaneously be circumvented by deliberate infringers while hampering innocent parties' ability to communicate. All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were intended to restrict, but this bill will be particularly egregious in that regard because it causes entire domains to vanish from the Web, not just infringing pages or files. Worse, an incredible range of useful, law-abiding sites can be blacklisted under this bill. These problems will be enough to ensure that alternative name-lookup infrastructures will come into widespread use, outside the control of US service providers but easily used by American citizens. Errors and divergences will appear between these new services and the current global DNS, and contradictory addresses will confuse browsers and frustrate the people using them. These problems will be widespread and will affect sites other than those blacklisted by the American government. The US government has regularly claimed that it supports a free and open Internet, both domestically and abroad. We can't have a free and open Internet without a global domain name system that sits above the political concerns and objectives of any one government or industry. To date, the leading role the US has played in this infrastructure has been fairly uncontroversial because America is seen as a trustworthy arbiter and a neutral bastion of free expression. If the US suddenly begins to use its central position in the DNS for censorship that advances its political and economic agenda, the consequences will be far-reaching and destructive. Senators, we believe the Internet is too important and too valuable to be endangered in this way, and implore you to put this bill aside. -- Peter Eckersleyp...@eff.org Senior Staff Technologist Tel +1 415 436 9333 x131 Electronic Frontier FoundationFax +1 415 436 9993 _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
http://ubnt.com/8023af that should help On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: But even if they enabled Gig Ethernet then it would not link at 1000Mb. Gig Ethernet requires all eight pairs to transmit the data, but only the four required to transmit Fast Ethernet are available. To be able to use Gig Ethernet they would have to switch the PoE to 802.3af. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I wanted to follow up on this. I swapped a 750 out for a RB/600 the other day, and now my packet loss problems have gone away. Must be a problem with incompatibility to a MikroTik. RB-600 has GigE interfaces, while RB-750 has FastE. Seems like a negotiation issue, a strange one as Ubiquiti is also Fast-E. Or maybe UBNT changed this ? The chipset they use on the M family is Gig-E capable. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo
The best way to test bandwidth is to use simple tools like iPerf. Techs should load iPerf on their laptops as well. Iperf was developed by NLANR/DAST as a modern alternative for measuring maximum TCP and UDP bandwidth performance. Iperf allows the tuning of various parameters and UDP characteristics. Iperf reports bandwidth, delay jitter, datagram loss. http://sourceforge.net/projects/iperf/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Jan 29, 2010, at 5:59 PM, John Thomas wrote: Kinda sounds like a WISP, eh? As long as they aren't overselling it to the point quality suffers, who cares? We had to work at just doing a speed test on our 100 meg connection as most of the servers couldn't do 100 meg up and 100 meg down. We finally were able to do a ftp and get 95 meg/95 meg to verify that it was working as advertised. I still smile when I can do traceroutes to cities miles away and have all the hops at 1 ms, or less when using Linux. John Justin Wilson wrote: Plus they want to oversell this cheap bandwidth. They don¹t want you to max out that Gig circuit. Allows them to oversell their bandwidth that much more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] test
ha ha heres a test ... _ _ _ ... wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real fast ;-) On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote: Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests. I didn't even know there was going to be a test.. This sucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] test Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
I could not agree more! _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Bret Clark wrote: No critical link should ever be standalone whether using expensive equipment or using lower cost equipment. Always a good idea to put a second redundant link in running something like RSTP or OSPF. Gino Villarini wrote: Whatever rocks your world! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul Actually, we do Gino and have never had a problem. The latest generation of MT gear is pretty near bulletproof if deployed properly. I suspect there are quite a few people here that run their businesses on gear that you would turn you nose up at, so your condescension isn't really necessary. Yikes right back at ya. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3 Link! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org We are a vendor member and a WISP. On a short range, you should be able to use this MT kit just fine. We will support and configure it for you for free if you wish. http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn WISPA Members get free assembly. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill. Really, at such a short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at that range. Sent from my iPhone --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
Most towns will allow this - however they may charge you a few fees. 1. Franchise Fee: This can be tricky. Some locales will request to know the number of clients going through the link and then charge you a flat fee per client. If you take a look at your catv bill (and others) you may notice a franchise fee. While this is a general overview - it kinda explains it. 2. Permit Fee: self explanatory 3. Interconnect / Cross Over Fees Overall most of the time these are not expensive - what might be is the interconnect / cross over fees the facility may charge - but of course chances are if your going to the roof or to a pole - you will have those fees. If you contemplate fiber (which imho is a great choice due to the yield of bandwidth ) there are two camps of thought. A. Get just what you need today B. Plan for tomorrow... Either way its best to use an outdoor construction cable as well as one that is built to be stranded between buildings and/or poles: loose tube construction perhaps might be best for the application - just make sure you grab the gel-filled vs empty or dry-block if you plan for this long term. If this is planned to be long term use and is a primary back haul I suggest doing it right the first time. Questions - feel free to ask on the list - or off :-) _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Jan 31, 2010, at 1:59 PM, John Thomas wrote: Midnight overhead fiber run... :-) John Jeremie Chism wrote: I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at that range. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
ROFL - pickle juice has horrible RF properties... that is awesome! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
Josh How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly matters? I, in NJ had the same issue until recently. Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up! On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning. Now he's really pissing me off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of the net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or attempt to hack into our networks. -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv- access.com wrote: From NewsMax: Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size By: Bradley A. Blakeman Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today. Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web from the United States to foreign powers. Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of open-architecture networking. This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the Internet. These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and how we communicate in it. They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of servers would allow users to communicate with others. The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the identifier and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer to computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new process of communication became know as the information super highway, aka, the Internet. Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive, sharing, cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration set off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by the U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents. The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that service the Internet. Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S. Department of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP addressing, and other Internet protocol resources. In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a person or entity would not have access to the Internet. For years, the international community has been pressuring the United States to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an international body such as the United Nations or even the International Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in behalf of all nations. The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and a dependent form of international communications, that it would be dangerous and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it. Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration has agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and countries on IANA. This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant leap for surrendering America's control over an invention we have every right and responsibility to control and manage. It is in America's economic and national security interests not to relinquish any control. We are responsible for the control, operation, and functionality of one of the modern world's greatest inventions and most
Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
well - I always think it is important to vote... but... my motto is simple: go Vote - choose the one that wont hurt me the most ... on the way home stop @ the store and buy 2 gallons of bleach turn on a bath and then disinfect... I generally use the 2nd gallon on their inauguration day ;-) On Feb 2, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Philip Dorr wrote: uld find it interesting if the runner up was the victor, of course there wold have to actually be more than our current two party majority system. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
Thank you Eje: Sadly I fear, many folks do not understand or take into account how important our personal role is in the government. - until recently perhaps Thank you for the reminder. Now back to wireless chat :-) _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:06 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes. Look at the 2008 President election StateMargin Missouri 0.14% NC 0.32% Indiana 1.04% NE 2nd cong dist 1.19% MT 2.25% Florida 2.82% Ohio 4.59% (your state) These states represented 88 electoral votes States/districts with margin more than 5% but less than 10 represented another 64 electoral votes. Missouri there was a total of 3903 votes difference. Never say a vote do NOT count. I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of themselves. You bitch you moan about government and politics but only 63% of those that bothered to register to vote did vote in the last election for president. The SADEST part about it is that was a 10million voter increase over previous election. There is some 210million people registered to vote 132million bothered. Take this in comparison with say Sweden (which I know a lot of since I'm original from there) In Sweden you do NOT have to registered to vote. Once your 18 you are not only eligible to vote but your expected to vote. Consider there is no obligation and everyone 18 and older is considered a registered voter. In the last 30 years (vote for Parliament, no we don't have a president or king with powers) the LOWEST voting record was 80.1% and highest 91.8% turn out to vote. So end of 2012 anyone here I do not want to hear that they didn't vote. Go vote and while you are at it bring a friend or three to vote as well. Your voice can be heard. I'm sure there are at least 4000 people in Missouri that are today glad they voted to show the color of their state. North Carolina there is probably 14000 people today that wished they had voted. Alright of my soap box. Back to wireless talk for me doing my once a year of topic outburst ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article I have not voted to this day, to be honest. It is the masses and the public that votes and they well out number me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Josh How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly matters? I, in NJ had the same issue until recently. Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up! On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning. Now he's really pissing me off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of the net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or attempt to hack into our networks. -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv- access.com wrote: From NewsMax: Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size By: Bradley A. Blakeman Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today. Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web from the United States to foreign powers. Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in the early 1970s
Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
The problem with politicians is simple. They have stopped thinking along the lines of what is right and wrong morally Instead - they think along the lines of legality: is this legal or illegal. If there is no law to stop something - then its considered legal - even if morally wrong! In seminary I had to study words a whole bunch - amazing what you learn when you break apart a word down to its roots... Poli Tics = Multi Bloodsuckers ;-) _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:57 PM, MDK wrote: The multi-party systems develop the same problems as two-party systems... They become cloistered, inbred, and eventually run by a network of insiders, by, for, and for the benefit of, themselves. Just replacing insiders with another crop of insiders is pointless.You need people with integrity, conscience, and common sense. When was the last time you saw a good party hack with those qualities? -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article There's nothing wrong with the two party system. The problem is the people that are in the two party system. Vote the career politicians out of office. This goes for both parties...in fact I view many of the incumbent Republicans in a dimmer light than the Democrats. Any Republican that has strayed too far from conservative core values needs to go IMO. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article I would find it interesting if the runner up was the victor, of course there wold have to actually be more than our current two party majority system. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have not voted to this day, to be honest. It is the masses and the public that votes and they well out number me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Josh How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly matters? I, in NJ had the same issue until recently. Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up! On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning. Now he's really pissing me off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of the net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or attempt to hack into our networks. -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv- access.com wrote: From NewsMax: Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size By: Bradley A. Blakeman Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today. Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web from the United States to foreign powers. Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of open-architecture networking. This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the Internet. These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and how we communicate in it. They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of servers would allow users to communicate
Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals
Thats an easy one Ubiquity PicoStation2 with this unit you can grab the openwrt-atheros-ubnt2-pico2-squashfs.bin and voila - :-) More details here: http://www.coova.org/node/3685 and here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/hotcakes/wiki/yfi_setup_nas_PicoStation2 _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 2, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash page. Can someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or software? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Title II of the Communications Act—the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) “Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik’s Cube?…Any Internet company that offers a voice application?” … “With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn’t voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up?” Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
What happens if the government states you cannot block any content and or do traffic shaping ... ? Understand - the talk was to the Free State Foundation - who is against virtually any blocking or traffic shaping This being said- even the plans you may offer may be out of the window on the other extreme. I think some regulation is wise personally ! - However if its to broad it does not help - if its to narrow it does not help on the other side of the fence :-) Like anything - it needs to be wisely thought out and dealt with _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act—the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) “Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik’s Cube?…Any Internet company that offers a voice application?” … “With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn’t voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up?” Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
well Put Bob. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Robert West wrote: I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn’t about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Having pastored in the nations poorest city I would far from disagree with you. Folks that should have never been able to have a home were given the ability to obtain loans - That is an understatement. The government has done all it can to push the idea that if you rent - your a failure They have made it all to easy for folks to own a home -never even bothering to figure out if its a worthy cause. Let's face it - Loans were written to people that made minimum wage - much like the first Credit card I was given with a 20K limit as a freshman in college without a job. Perhaps we should take a step back and simply ask - Instead of Frannie and Freddy - perhaps The Government does not belong in the home ownership game. If you look at the price of the average home since 1890 until today - you will find that it appears at first to be a great investment. However - if you adjust that thinking with the rate of inflation - you would realize that for many - it is far from the American Dream... The Saga of Home ownership and real estate is really one of a relatively flat history - except for the past few years where folks were able to flip before the drop... (2006-2007) Many people utilize their home as the ultimate credit card... They get locked into this pattern of either mortgaging to pay for their lifestyle - or... selling and getting bigger and better. Can anyone of us admit that we know so much about the real-estate market to play the odds? If so - then lets watch them @ the tables in Vegas for the WISPA event Anyhow - lets get back to the topic of the thread itself and the blog posting I actually posted... here it is in its glory (or lack there of ... links however are on the blog live ) Title II of the Communications Act—the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) “Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik’s Cube?…Any Internet company that offers a voice application?” … “With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn’t voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up?” Is Broadband able to be classified as a common carrier service? The FCC most assuredly believes this is well within its authority – and is exercising these “policies” not just over the agency’s ability to regulate the NET – but if it can be classified as a common carrier service. Comcast is suing the FCC over its Order sanctioning the company for P2P blocking – so their ability to “regulate” needs to be clearly defined – of course re-defining a government entity is not an easy task… however defining ISPs as common carriers would seem suited to the FCC’s purposes, especially if given Title II’s clear definition of what a common carrier can’t do: “It shall be unlawful for any common carrier to make any unjust or unreasonable discrimination in charges, practices, classifications, regulations, facilities, or services for or in connection with like communication service, directly or indirectly, by any means or device, or to make or give any undue or unreasonable preference or advantage to any particular person, class of persons, or locality, or to subject any particular person, class of persons, or locality to any undue or unreasonable prejudice or disadvantage.” McDowell stated, “At the same time, broadband companies create and maintain software with millions of lines of code inside their systems. They also own app stores that are seamlessly connected to their networks. As technology advances, will the government be able to make the distinctions between applications and networks necessary under a new regulatory regime?… Will it (the government) be able to do so in Internet Time?” One thing is clear - If we were able to agree on some basic tenets providers could utilize to ensure all accounts are serviceable based upon not only “bandwidth” but also “throughput” most of these arguments would simply be a mute point. This past October (2009) The FCC laid out its draft for network neutrality rules which appears to allow to the greater extent a “free and open Internet.” The principles already existing from 2005: Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice Consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement Consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network Consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers. Those principles along with two new additional principles are
Re: [WISPA] [ Possible Spam ] Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Especially today into tomorrow and Sunday into Monday ;-) _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality
_ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: The government has done all it can to push the idea that if you rent - your a failure How is that a bad thing? Financial Stability 101, go buy a home. Every family should have a home. I'm not critisizing people who have decided renting is better for them, there can be many reasons for that. But if owning a home is not something possible for the average American, and low income person, its a sad situation. Let's face it - Loans were written to people that made minimum wage - much like the first Credit card I was given with a 20K limit as a freshman in college without a job. What planet do you live on? As the minimum wage HomeOwner drives away from their foreclosed home in their BMW I can tell in my 20 years of homebuying, Minimum Wage buyers was never an option. Sure FHA or HOC type programs might have enabled getting into a home with less money down, or subsidized homeownership for needy single parents and such. But those aren't the loans getting foreclosed on. The government made those home afffordable, even in down economies. But the minimum wage claim is rediculous. Heck, I cant even qualify for a Home Refinance, and I'm bringing home the 6 digits. The homes getting foreclosed on are the big dollar home that were more expensive than the buyer can afford with an average paying job. Getting into those homes were not minimum wage application processes. They were the show me the 2 years a Tax Returns with 6 figured. You however make way to much to ever even be considered by the Fair Housing and Community Housing folks. They guarantee you a government loan - with payments as low as $150 /mo at a maximum of 5.4% interest. Take a peek @ how far that got the City of Detroit ... Take a peek @ how far that got the City of Camden NJ ... Take a peek @ how far that got the City of Newark Homes that are getting foreclosed on are the Elderly. Homes that are 50-80% paid off. Where the homeowner can no longer access teh equity, because they are looked at a credit risk, because of their age or no longer holds full time job living on retirement income. Where a spouse has died, or where they were living on retirement income. Where their County property Tax skyrocketed, as neighbor's appraisals skyrocketed in the reaslestate boom, to an amount where the Tax payment was more than their original mortgage payment used to be. I argue against minimum wage for this exact reason - lets face it. If we have to pay people more - we raise the rates on what we sell and service. However - the little old lady next door on her retirement income / social security ... fixed income - basically means -- no raise for them The problem was never low income buyers. The problem was the real Estate book reached a record high that had no alternative but to crash. Supply and Demand became so power full that homes reached price tags that only millionaires could afford, and loans were sneaked through anyway. But the new mortgage loan rules are rediculously conservative. It was the unscrupulous lenders that caused the crash, and now honorable prospective American home buyers have to pay the penalty. I can give you an example of one person, that had 75k in the bank, Had 50% equity in their home, a Fixed income from a government pension, Never missed a payment in 20 years, even had a credit score in the 700s, and was denied refinance because they couldn't prove a high enough steady income the year before. They want to see a salaried job. They want to see historical Tax returns. If someone is self employed, and does smart accounting to reduce their income and tax liabilty, it will likely mean they will no longer qualify for home ownership. In the case above the person was a land developer, and didn't sell a home the prior year because it made sense to hold on to the land until the market picks up to get a larger return. I can share tons of examples of folks who made next to nothing - but learned to play the game under the fair housing program. The biggest scam going right now is - folks are buying a cheap house - getting the $8K - then flipping it to their wife - getting an additional 8K then flipping it to their 18 yr old son - they get another $8K to their daughter - yet another $8K and then - the ability for them to grab a $24K check to give to a bank for the actual down payment on a different mtg hits All on the backs of - yes you guessed it. - I just had my agent in Ohio ask me about doing this - and wanting to know If I wanted to back date the purchase for my wife to last year ! Its fraud - wrong - and I said
