[WSG] RE: WSG Digest
Try this
style type=text/css
#wrapper {
height: 100px;
width: 800px;
}
#box1 {
height: 100px;
width: 200px;
float: left;
border: thin solid #F00;
}
#box2 {
height: 100px;
width: 200px;
float: left;
border: thin solid #00C;
}
#box3 {
float: left;
height: 100px;
width: 200px;
border: thin solid #930;
}
#box4 {
float: left;
height: 100px;
width: auto;
border: thin solid #FC0;
}
/style
/head
body
div id=wrapper
div id=box1BOX 1/div
div id=box2BOX2/div
div id=box4BOX4 flexi/div
div id=box3BOX3/div
/div
/body
Box 4 is the flexi one and will stretch but only up to the MAX size of the
wrapper
Lucas M Meyer
CEO
Silvermoonsky Web Design
www.silvermoonsky.com
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From: designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:28:30 +0100
Subject: elasticity and floats
Can anyone help me sort a problem please:
I want to make a banner/masthead with 4 divs. Nos 1,2 and 4 are fixed
width
and I want div 3 to be flexible width and fill the gap:
div id=wrapper
[fixed- float left] [fixed - float left] [elastic - no floats] [fixed -
float right]
/div
The wrapper div takes care of the clearing, using overflow : hidden.
It's easy with a table, but I don't seem to be able to do it with
floats.
The ways I've tried either don't line up the divs vertically, or the 3rd
div
width shrinks to content size.
I hope I've explained this properly (nothing online to see yet) and I
hope
someone can help.
Thanks,
Bob
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Re: [WSG] internet explorer 8 problems
Try putting IE8 into Compatibility mode. Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well still not displaying the table and the font name. so wonder if it is a internet explorer 8 issue. and when i rolled back to internet explorer 7 last time. it would display the table and my font names. why? is this a internet explorer 8 bug and maybe contact the development team at microsoft. have checked and my css is in the correct file place. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] web hosting
I doubt you'll find a free host that supports all those needs. Especially considering nearly all your requirements need licensing. You should seriously consider using a Linux based host, and as much Open Source stuff that you can. Also, not meaning to flame you, but if you think the server needs to support javascript, then I doubt you really know what your doing. Javascript comes down to the client side browser, not the server side host. Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. just looked at one site http://www.110mb.com but does not have my requirements. i need to have a free webhost, that is accessible. as do not have a credit card. that support cgi, visual studio 2008, sql 2008, as building a three tier site using visual web developer and sql with a friend. and also need java script, possibly php. can any one recommend any thing at all. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] web hosting
So it is, my mistake, oh I assumed 'cos he mentioned php and the other server side stuff, that he meant javascript in the way I meant. Chris Knowles wrote: info wrote: Also, not meaning to flame you, but if you think the server needs to support javascript, then I doubt you really know what your doing. Javascript comes down to the client side browser, not the server side host. javascript is a server side and client side language, so maybe Marvin needs it on the server Marvin, is this a small project site or a commercial site? Because if it's just a project, maybe theres someone out there with some kind of reseller account that could give you some space for free? I have one and I would, but it's Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP hosting. As others have stated, the problem you have is the technologies you require have expensive licenses and so free hosting is going to be hard to come by. But if you confirm it's only a small site, maybe someone out there has a bit of spare space? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
I am currently out of the office running a training course returning the morning of the 18/03/2009. I will have limited access to email but will try to respond to your enquiry. If your enquiry is urgent then please contact me on my mobile. Kind regards Ben Logan Director Spotless Design http://www.spotlessdesign.com Tel: +44 (0) 207 168 7526 Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 4375 Mob: +44 (0) 7971 002292 Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/spotlessdesign Twitter: http://twitter.com/DJBenLogan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
I am currently out of the office running a training course returning the morning of the 04/03/2009. For technical assitance please contact Anthony Johnston - anthony.johns...@spotlessdesign.com I will have limited access to email but will try to respond to your enquiry. If your enquiry is urgent then please contact me on my mobile. Kind regards Ben Logan Director Spotless Design http://www.spotlessdesign.com Tel: +44 (0) 207 168 7526 Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 4375 Mob: +44 (0) 7971 002292 Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/spotlessdesign Twitter: http://twitter.com/DJBenLogan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
I am currently out of the office running a training course returning the morning of the 04/03/2009. For technical assitance please contact Anthony Johnston - anthony.johns...@spotlessdesign.com I will have limited access to email but will try to respond to your enquiry. If your enquiry is urgent then please contact me on my mobile. Kind regards Ben Logan Director Spotless Design http://www.spotlessdesign.com Tel: +44 (0) 207 168 7526 Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 4375 Mob: +44 (0) 7971 002292 Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/spotlessdesign Twitter: http://twitter.com/DJBenLogan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
I am currently out of the office running a training course returning the morning of the 04/03/2009. For technical assitance please contact Anthony Johnston - anthony.johns...@spotlessdesign.com I will have limited access to email but will try to respond to your enquiry. If your enquiry is urgent then please contact me on my mobile. Kind regards Ben Logan Director Spotless Design http://www.spotlessdesign.com Tel: +44 (0) 207 168 7526 Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 4375 Mob: +44 (0) 7971 002292 Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/spotlessdesign Twitter: http://twitter.com/DJBenLogan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] CSS editors
Quoting tee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:42 AM, Gicela Morales wrote: Thanks everyone. I like the idea of TextMate and TextWrangler! Gicela :-) 2008/10/20 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have both BBEdit and TextMate. I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text editor. Project creation is easy also, you just drag in project folders. I like BBEdit when I am doing Java, C/C++ and general programming, but depending on the task I will use XCode aswell. If it's just HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP/Python/Ruby then I'd go with TextMate: http://macromates.com/ If you want to save money and have an all round free open source editor that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I would suggest notepad++. Been using it since it was first available and haven't looked at anything else. Mind you, apart from Flash * GIMP, I use notepad++ for all my web design. Regards, Dennis @ eyemaxstudios.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE
Hi David, I wouldnt say that I code for Firefox, more that I code in immaculate standards compliant code and that it seems to work best in Firefox, Safari and Opera ;) You are right though - make for standard complient browsers and then use conditional statements for IE. Most of the time these are to fix very minimal spacing issues. This isnt much but this article on sitepoint defines that firefox is the browser for web developers: http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/08/29/would-you-switch-to-ie8/ Darren Lovelock Munkyonline.co.uk Quoting David McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, For a while now, I've been operating on the principle Code for Firefox, hack for IE. That is, writing CSS for the most standards-compliant browser, and then making adjustments for non-standard behaviour. I said this in a meeting last week to argue a point and my boss said who says?. I could have said me, but maybe that's not a good enough answer. Somewhere some years ago I read this, or heard someone at a conference or something and it got stuck in my head. Is this the way anyone works? Is it the best way to work? Does anyone know where I got this idea from? Book? Blog? A bit of googling this afternoon turned up not very much. Thanks, David *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility
Hi Jason, I would most certainly not allow the use of an image map. They are only useful for defining polygon or circular areas on maps (or similar) as links. They are not good for a sites primary navigation. For navigation that is consisting of an image I would create an unordered list: ul id=nav li class=img1link1/li li class=img2link1/li li class=img3link1/li /ul Set the main img background on ul#nav to go behind all the links then set the individual link graphics on each list item anchor - li.img? a Make the anchors display:block and you can then define height and width of the link. Then when images are turned off you are still left with a fully accessible menu. Darren Lovelock Munkyonline.co.uk Quoting Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Good Morning everyone! I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links. I am wondering, how would I go about convincing my client that this isn't the best way to do it? I personally think that some nice text links, styled properly with CSS would look just as good if not better then image maps. Oh, and to put it into context, it's a picture rating site so I don't know that Blind users are going to be too much of a concern for him since they can't see what the main part of the site is for. Any info I could get about this would be wonderful! Thanks everyone! -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Question about accessibility
Hi Rick, If any client were to tell me how to code their website I would probably tell them to go elsewhere. The client is more than likely going to be a pain throughout the project and then also when making payment. Obviously this is within reason - design aspects - of course they decide. When it comes to the coding, the client most certainly does not know best! If they want it to be of a high quality and well optimised then I will make it using the best of my abilities. There's no reason that they should specify how it is coded, unless they're a developer and they need it formatted in a specific way. This must not be a normal customer anyway if they know about image maps. I'm interested to know why they requested it in the first place.. Quoting Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Darren... I find your comment, I would most certainly not allow the use of an image map, interesting. What would you do, as is Jason's situation, if your client demands it? You can always turn down the work, but would you simply because a client wants to do something that you don't like? Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:39 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility Hi Jason, I would most certainly not allow the use of an image map. They are only useful for defining polygon or circular areas on maps (or similar) as links. They are not good for a sites primary navigation. For navigation that is consisting of an image I would create an unordered list: ul id=nav li class=img1link1/li li class=img2link1/li li class=img3link1/li /ul Set the main img background on ul#nav to go behind all the links then set the individual link graphics on each list item anchor - li.img? a Make the anchors display:block and you can then define height and width of the link. Then when images are turned off you are still left with a fully accessible menu. Darren Lovelock Munkyonline.co.uk Quoting Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Good Morning everyone! I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links. I am wondering, how would I go about convincing my client that this isn't the best way to do it? I personally think that some nice text links, styled properly with CSS would look just as good if not better then image maps. Oh, and to put it into context, it's a picture rating site so I don't know that Blind users are going to be too much of a concern for him since they can't see what the main part of the site is for. Any info I could get about this would be wonderful! Thanks everyone! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what
I've recently started to use drupal with the ubercart module. It's really easy to set up and it's pretty easy to theme too. drupal on its own is a great cms. Download the whole package from ubercart though http://www.ubercart.org/downloads The deluxe package includes drupal and some extra modules. I would steer clear of zencart - not keen on that software at all. Not very easy to customise. Darren Lovelock Munkyonline.co.uk Quoting Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Joe, Can you recommend a shopping cart system that is easy to set up and use, be it open source or not? Trying to make a decision myself at the moment and would be interested to hear your thoughts. Cheers Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Ortenzi Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:57 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what why would it not work as a directory under the main site tree, i.e.: www.domain.com.au/shop/http://www.domain.com.au/shop/. I think developers are keen on a lightweight, simple to use and deploy and template shopping cart system. ZenCart and osCommmerce are terrible to both set up and use, so lose-lose IMHO. Surely a simple shopping cart that is relatively genertic isn't THAT complicated to do? Joe On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:34, Adam Martin wrote: I am a pretty active magento developer and highly recommend it as well.. but it really only suits those clients whose whole site is an ecommerce solution. For example, take a look at a client of mine - julesroc.com.au I am working on a custom solution that allows ecommerce to be a part of a clients website. So the first question I would be asking is what are the needs of the client. A complete ecommerce solution or an ecommerce component within their site. Cheers Adam magento user: tweakmag - Original Message - From: 8bits Mediamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgmailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what I think it would be worth your while to go and check out Magento - http://www.magentocommerce.com/ The makers of this product have done a great job of making it standards compliant, as well as very usable. We're in the process of integrating it into a new project. Regards, Nick 8bits Media On 13 Aug 2008, at 16:39, Lynette Smith wrote: Do the free [shopping carts] (such as ZenCart and OsCommerce) do an adequate job ? My friend populated the shop at the time because he was savvy with Photoshop and could do all the image work himself. But you could as well end up doing that too if your client hasn't that knowledge. That's what I am afraid of. I think you should weigh your time vs. the fee your colleague charges. You might want to learn ZenCart or another eCommerce solution so you can do it in the future. Thanks, Jens - will re-think if a cart is really necessary. Kind regards Lyn *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com http://twitter.com/wheelyweb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what
Hi Krystian, Again i would recommend drupal for cms - standards compliant SEO friendly as standard. And then the ubercart ecommerce module for drupal - standards compliant as standard too :) Thats exactly the reason why we have started to use it. Would have used cubecart as v4 is tableless but I think you have to pay for it now. Drupal is free and there are loads of templates available for it already. It uses multiple templating engines and is very well documented on their website (unlike other similar systems). You can over-ride anything on there through the template system which may require a bit of php knowledge. But if you want to keep it simple then you can just modify the CSS and still create a pretty unique looking site. You create a theme folder and then assign it through the admin panel. All the core files are seperate so updating will not overwrite your customisations. Check it out here - www.drupal.org Darren Lovelock Munky Online http://www.munkyonline.co.uk Quoting Krystian - Sunlust [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Okay, I'll try to bring it back OnTopic. Which of shopping cards actually uses css based templates without tones of tables? And if noone will mind, which CMS does so? I mean,I'm using Joomla and everyone says that the templates are standard compliant etc, but when I see the bloody header named contentheader instead of h2 it really pisses me off - not semantic and not SEO friendly. What's your best practice for Shopping Carts templates/systems, would you rather restyle a template to make it more standard compliant or start from a scratch, and same with coding, do you sometimes try to fix shopping cart software to customize it or do you not as it makes it hard to update later on? Regards, -- Krystian - Sunlust - I-M-A: Freelancer on the side: http://sunlust.net Full time Website Designer: http://smesolutions.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Accessible Form Buttons
Hi WSG List! I'm working on a contracted project at the moment and the team is in a debate about how to make the website buttons scalable and yet still accessible. Also we want to use a minimal amount of markup. Obviously we cant use CSS background images as they wont scale. At the moment we have used CSS to layer an anchor over an img that does scale. The issue with this is now if people have no CSS support, the anchor and img will then be next to each other and then button wont be clickable. Does anyone know of another solution to this problem? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated! Regards, Darren Lovelock Munkyonline.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Form Buttons
Quoting Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm working on a contracted project at the moment and the team is in a debate about how to make the website buttons scalable and yet still accessible. Also we want to use a minimal amount of markup. Obviously we cant use CSS background images as they wont scale. At the moment we have used CSS to layer an anchor over an img that does scale. The issue with this is now if people have no CSS support, the anchor and img will then be next to each other and then button wont be clickable. Does anyone know of another solution to this problem? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated! Using extra markup: http://tjkdesign.com/lab/uploader/buttons.asp -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com Thanks Thierry, looks good and works well. I'm not sure the other team members will like the markup though! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Out of office notice
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Re: [WSG] Site Build It and CSS???
Christian, Would re-design the site outside of sitesell and provide your client with a simple CMS/web page editor to manage it. In my experience, these sites made it easy to edit pages but difficult to alter the src code. Julio Feliciano www.j6design.com Quoting Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear list, I have a potential client who would like me to redesign her website with CSS (hooray!). Her current site runs on Site Built It! and she would like to remain with that system: http://buildit.sitesell.com/main/home.html From the looks of it, SBI! is archaic and I'm wondering how hard it is to make a CSS template for it. Has anyone on this lists worked with it in the past? Please let me know how it is. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. designtocss.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WSG Site
everything seems fine Bram On Thu Mar 16 19:08 , Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: On 3/16/06 1:06 PM, Prabhath Sirisena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works fine over here. Prolly some mail server issue at your end? To be clear, not the list but www.webstandardsgroup.org is the site I am referring to. Is it working for you? -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?
If you go to the Australian Taxation Office's site you will find that if you want to download and use E Tax, that you have to use a Version 5 browser and above. Does it get worse.my word it does... it has to be IE If you want to use their electronic business access you have to use IE as well. This is to the point that you can't even fill in numbers for your ABN (Australian Business Number) if you're using Firefox. No, it's worse than that, you *must* have IE as your *default* browser. At least that was the case when I installed about a year ago. The java runtime is kind enough to check that IE is default and to bow out if not. But once it is installed you can get around the problem and use firefox, and it works fine - although I'm sure it'll mean another penalty or something :-) I spoke to a dude at the ATO and he was tremendously sheepish about the whole thing. LOL. Simon PS. First post - no problems I hope. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Extreme Tracker and xhtml
Hi everyone, OK, the extreme tracker is now working. Last time I posted, the xhtml valid tracker was working on some pages and not others. What I discovered was that the pages with older trackers wouldn't track with the valid code. I hadn't realized initially that there were different versions of the tracker. Once I realized it, I created new IDs for the older pages to replace the older tracker versions. That did the trick. =-) Cheryl http://www.lymeinfo.net Lyme Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I then went to the index page ...But it isn't working...I keep looking at the code and am baffled. Lyme Disease Information: http://www.lymeinfo.net Lyme Disease Information By Email: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lymeinfo/ __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE Bug?
Hi, I've observed an inconsistent problem on my site with Internet Explorer. Basically, in the upper left area of the main (white) section a gray box that varies in size will appear occassionally. The box disappears when scrolling down then up again. Slight variations of this problem appear on any of the pages. Pictures: http://www.lymeinfo.net/glitch.html Any ideas? Thanks, Cheryl http://www.lymeinfo.net __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.
Hi Lisa, Peter, On 05-10-2005at 09:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Herrod, Lisa) wrote: Thanks for posting this to the list, I'm sure it will be interesting to many of us on list... -Original Message- From: Peter Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This may help with your font compatibility problem. http://www.visibone.com/font/FontResults.html You might also want to look at the following: http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/ It's less 'complete' in that it doesn't include all the many really obscure fonts of the visibone survey, but I personally find it better organised. Both this and the visibone compliment each other, but are gathered differently... codestyle requires a manual completion of a 'checklist' type of form, while the visibone survey is automatically gathered via javascript, which incidentally caused a Firefox hang on MacOSX 10.3.9 here... YMMV Cheers Rob -- Rob Schumann Webspace Works (RS-Tech Consulting Co., Ltd.) http://www.webspaceworks.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Extreme Tracker and xhtml
Hi everyone! I am currently using the extreme tracker on my website and prefer it over some xhtml compliant ones like sitemeter and statcounter. Webstats4u is also ok, but it is not xhtml compliant. Through a google search, I came across the discussions on this list about making the extreme tracker compliant, but I am still having a tough time getting it to work. I followed the source code at Bert Doorns site without luck. I wrote to him and he kindly responded toput EXd.write on one line. I tried that without any success. However, I dont know if I corrected that properly. My text editor creates new lines when there arespaces. I tried eliminating all spaces in the line, and also tried just leaving the spaces before height and width. Neither worked. http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ my version: http://www.lymeinfo.net/medical.html I also tried the tip at the following site: http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/archives//DOM_extreme_tracker/ my version: http://www.lymeinfo.net Unfortunately, I couldnt get that to work either. I also noticed that on the splintered site and my site where I have the comparable code, there is often a notice in the bottom bar of firefox that it is waiting for the eo.extreme-dm site. This message is not found at Berts site at the same time, or at my other pages where I have non compliant trackers. I am wondering if anyone has any ideasabout how I can fix the extreme tracker to make it compliant and functional. Thanks! Cheryl Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Re: [WSG] Extreme Tracker and xhtml
Hi again, I made some more changes since posting, and I thought I had it working. Itseemed itwas a line-wrap problem. I found that I could turn off word-wrap in my text editor. I hadnt realized how important that was for _javascript_. I made the change for the "medical" site, and it started to work! I then went to the index page and removed the code from the splintered site. I copied and pasted the code exactly from medical, changed the 3 spots for user ID, and made sure the java code was on one line.I viewed the source code to confirm. But it isn't working. I thought it was just an extreme tracker delay, but I've now waited quite a while and it still isn't tracking. (It tracks me so I can easily test that) I keep looking atthe codeand am baffled. Anyway, I felt I should say something since I changed things since my previous post and the code won't appear as I previously described. Cheryl Lyme Info wrote: Through a google search, I came across the discussions on this list about making the extreme tracker compliant, but I am still having a tough time getting it to work. http://www.lymeinfo.net/medical.html http://www.lymeinfo.net Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
[WSG] web design presentation: advice?
Hi all, I'm going to make a presentation to art students on an introduction to web design and would like some advice (besides how to deal with the butterfiles in the stomach). First the stats: Audience: art students who want to create portfolio websites to showcase their art work Goal: to introduce art students to web design to encourage them to learn more Teacher's Goal: to encourage the students to take web design classes in their same school to learn web design/coding Link: Intro to Web Design | http://www.zoblue.com/web-design/index.html Of course it's still in the works, but this is what I'll be presenting to them and discussing the points as I go. I used S5[1] to create my short presentation. I'd love feedback. any suggestions? any ideas? I present it tomorrow in the evening. thanks in advance! Zulema [1] Meyerweb - S5 | http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ Z u l e m a O r t i z w e b d e s i g n e r email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] website : http://zoblue.com/ weblog : http://blog.zoblue.com/ browser : http://getfirefox.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Son of Suckerfish and IE 6 (SP2)
Kornel Lesinski wrote: It's well documented, just search MSDN on IE SP2 changes. It's also said that adding: -- saved from url=(0014)about:internet -- at the beginning of the file disables this behaviour. I think you meant: !-- saved from url=(0014)about:internet -- ^ it was missing the exclamation point. :D Once the pages are put up live, tho, that line should be removed right? regards, Z *Z u l e m a O r t i z* w e b d e s i g n e r email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website : http://zoblue.com/ weblog : http://blog.zoblue.com/ browser : http://getfirefox.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Simple 2 column layout?
On my domain www.sql-und-xml.de, I am using such a simple layout with a fixed left column and a floating right. Amaya 9.1 accepts this. The page is in german but the Html is ... self-explaining Best Regards Juergen Auer Berlin, Germany On 18 Mar 2005 at 7:50, Trusz, Andrew wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stevio Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:08 PM To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] Simple 2 column layout? Thanks for that, getting those widths right always annoys me cause the box model doesn't work right! To expand on the simple 2 column layout, how can I have a fixed width left column (for navigation) and a right column that fills the rest of the space. This is achieved in tables by setting the left cell to, for example, 150 width, and the right column to 100%. Thanks, Stephen =** There's a conceptual issue here. The point of styling with css is to get out of the box of one's own monitor and to style for the range of devices available to users. That's users not authors. The only way to do this is to maximize flexibility. This is where the ease of tables fails. Set a pixel fixed width for a left cell, let the right cell fill the screen. Now increase the screen resolution. The amount of real estate to fill in the right cell just increased dramatically. Go the other way, keep decreasing the screen width to a cell phone or pda. The screen real estate is gobbled up by the fixed with left cell and the right cell an undecipherable sliver. Start to change font size and it just gets worse. The fixed width left cell disintegrates. The right cell holds coherency longer. Overall, it just doesn't work well. Percentages offer a partial solution. At lower resolutions a percentage based column setup holds up pretty much down to the single word width, a bit longer than may actually be useful. For higher resolutions, the single line column problem doubles with both cells being single lines with the added possibility of a lot of real estate separating the end of one text grouping and the beginning of the other. Font size, however, starts to cause the same kinds of problems. Huge, gigantic letters breaking out all over. Fixing the right cell size only compounds the problem. That leaves em's for sizing. One can set a width for either or both columns which will better withstand resolution and font changes in both directions. The problem is how big is an em? It's really such a flexible measure that it makes people uncomfortable. How many em to a line? What looks good on changes of screen resolution can frankly look a little flakey and shabby on different monitors with the same resolution. It does look slightly odd when the header graphic is off center a tiny bit. This leads to discussions of being a pixel or two off on header positions etc. Although designing for slightly less than viewport maximum will fix most all of that by compacting the design. So you want 2 simple columns? Then make 2 columns. Float both of them. Left or right, determined by whichever content you want to come first in the code. Float them because then they are columns not a float sitting on a wide margined normal flowed element. Fix their width with em to maximize durability and usability. And this is where the box model shines. It's just the sum of seven components: 1 content, 2 paddings, 2 borders, and 2 margins, side to side and up and down, all constrained by the width of the container, if any. Change those factors and one changes the appearance of the columns without compromising the content or the accessibility of the content. And that's the beauty of css for styling. Allows both users and authors to separately control how pretty the picture is; once the authors learn to let trust users. Brilliant design actually. drew ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] italian ATAG 2.0 analysis
Hello IOSHI have published an italian analysis of the WD ATAG 2.0 http://www.ioshi.org/pubblicazioni/analisi.WD-ATAG20-20040224.html Automatical translation (by google) http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ioshi.org%2Fpubblic azioni%2Fanalisi.WD-ATAG20-20040224.htmllangpair=it%7Cenhl=enie=UTF-8oe= UTF-8prev=%2Flanguage_tools Best regards Luca Mascaro ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Tags for file names
Hello, hypotheticaly and semanticaly, not exist any element to describe a file name. I usually use a link whit any href. Luca Mascaro * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] presentation
Tks a lot already that there are, you bringing back a series of article (accessible :) about web standards... in italian language http://www.lucamascaro.info/articoli.xsp __ Luca Mascaro [Nemo] Designer e Sviluppatore Next Design Via Campagna 8 6512 Giubiasco, Svizzera tel: 0041 79 375 83 85 www: http://www.lucamascaro.info work: http://www.next-design.net __ Non chiedetevi cosa il Web può fare per voi, ma cosa voi potete fare per il Web *** Be Strict To Be Cool *** * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Browser compliance
This slamming me with tons of posts from the group is not what I was expecting. Is there a way to cram all this into one digest? I thought I was signing up for a digest, not a membership to receive 50 messages a day. Thanks, Tom Quoting Jeff - Accessibility 1st [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Martin I've just tried it and go to OptionsSettings then click on Browse and there is an option to select use Netscape (will use the mozilla engine if you don't have Netscape. Hope this helps Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Espericueta Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 12:20 PM To: Web Standards Group (E-mail) Subject: [WSG] Browser compliance (Sorry if this is a repeated msg - having email problems) Hello List, This may seen OT, but the underlying question is valid :~) I'm using Homesite+ to code, and want to configure the internal browser to Mozilla, from the default ie rendering engine, but not sure about it... 1.So, IYHOs, Is it better to code, then check, code some more, then check again, using a much more standards-compliant browser like Mozilla, or go with ie, then tweak for the rest? 2.Is Mozilla more standards-complaint than the rest, or should is Opera first on that list? A.Which browser (which version too), in order of compliance, rate first in standards. Is my list accurate: a.Mozilla builds (1.5, 1.7b, etc) b.Mozilla Firebird 0.7 c.Mozilla Firefox 0.8 d.Opera e.Netscape f.IE Best Regards, Martin Espericueta Information Technology Administrator/Web Designer San Francisco Bay Area Central Valley (Email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Web) http://fiercestreetnetworks.aboho.com (Lists) http://www.css-discuss.org/about.html (Lists) http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/css-foundations Web Design! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Centering one box in the center of the page with a footer attached
Hi, My two sites that I am working on (designing websites is something that I struggle with terribly) are: www.tomscomputerservices.net www.tomwhalen.hopto.org If anyone wants to offer simple suggestions on what I could change to make the sites more appealing, I'm very open minded :-) Also, today I received my first browser-capabilities shock when I asked my wife to look at the sites on her WinXP machine. She is using Mozilla Firebird and IE6, and unfortunately she ALWAYS goes for the IE6 browser. She's been MS'fied, I tell ya :-) So, when she loaded up my sites I was horrified. What was unusual was that IE6 did a better job of rendering my site than did Firebird (if I remember correctly). Given that Firefox is an off-shoot of Firebird (correct?), you'd think those two browsers would render stuff identically, or close to it anyway. So, I don't know what to do now. Do I just poo-poo IE+ users and aim to please owners of Mozilla-family browsers? My sites are only to generate pc-servicing business from the local community, so most of my business (I think) will come from the business cards I leave laying around. Thanks, have a great night :-) Tom Whalen * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] code for a form
Hi peter, I have Done the email script for you. The only thing I need to know is, can you run PHP?, Otherwise the form is pointless... Plz let me know... And it is all your. Also, just lemme know the email address to send it to, And do you want to use iut as a whole page by itself, Or incorporate it into your design?. Thanks 72dpi - AKA - Ryan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane
hey universal;, bold statement, i will leave this one alone heh heh. nah, i agree with you, because i suck @ css layouts i use tables @ work, but now am doing major study testing in my spare time, I have so much to learn. I guess it boils down to either you rock@ css or U are just learning the details like me. i also am a one man show ( well i am the only one who can do any work here). So yeah, I find it hard to design/3d/animate/program/develop etc, whilst trying to uphold the values and ideals of a common browser compliant style. css does rock, and as we all know, browsers suck, but i will stick with it, cos it is better to design with whatever time allows you, than working in a crappy job like packing bricks. All hail the mighty tables, ! ( well untill i learn css better.. 72dpi - AKA - Ryan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Could someone please do a little testing for me?
hi Seona,
macintosh ie 5.2
x-tad-smaller
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/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller!--
function MM_reloadPage(init) { //reloads the window if Nav4 resized
if (init==true) with (navigator) {if ((appName==Netscape)(parseInt(appVersion)==4)) {
document.MM_pgW=innerWidth; document.MM_pgH=innerHeight; onresize=MM_reloadPage; }}
else if (innerWidth!=document.MM_pgW || innerHeight!=document.MM_pgH) location.reload();
}
MM_reloadPage(true);
// Script to control menus in IE
startList = function() {
if (document.alldocument.getElementById) {
navRoot = document.getElementById(nav);
for (i=0; inavRoot.childNodes.length; i++) { // pops error on this line
node = navRoot.childNodes[i];
if (node.nodeName==LI) {
node.onmouseover=function() {
this.className+= over;
}
node.onmouseout=function() {
this.className=this.className.replace( over, );
}
}
}
}
}
window.onload=startList;
//--/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller>
/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller/script/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller>
I have commented on line above which wont work..
menu won't work on This browser...
Hope this helps/x-tad-smaller
[WSG] reply to Safari question
Hi people, this is my first mail, I am very glad to become part of this site, as It has raised my awareness of compatabilities heaps! Safari V 1.2 Actually takes over the old safari which expires. they are still having a few javascripting issues where some scripts still wont work. I am using the new Mozilla firebird http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/ and it looks and performs very nice. As far as other people are talking about browser issues, i have a Pc mac, but on my mac i use Virtual pc, loaded with a few different browsers. This way I see how badly my stuff works across platforms. Look forward to hearing more soon!. 72dpi - AKA Ryan Not being that Mac savy, I assume it's possible to have both v1.0 and v1.2 installed on the same machine? Safari 1.2 is out for mac-heads: http://www.apple.com/safari/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] reply to Safari question
thanks for clarifying that justin. I thought about my comment realized that it is with os update that it happens, so thanks for correcting me... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Real world use of standards
My situation is as follows: Here at BHP Billiton, I am part of the Global Intranet Team. I wrote the CSS/XHTML for their Global Intranet and then wrote standards compliant templates for other people within the business to use to build their own intranets. We were able to adopt W3C standards and XHTML/CSS for all this because, basically, before our team was put together, there were no standards at all - intranets were built by whoever with whatever. We wrote documentation, style guides etc emphasing standards compliance as well. This went fine for a year or two. Our team was rebuilding old non-compliant intranets and making them standards compliant and building new intranets with CSS/XHTML, W3C standards etc. Since that time, new CMS's have been bought into sections of the company (against our protests) that do not adhere to these standards, and things are starting to go backwards in some areas. It's sort of like two steps forward - one step back when it comes to web standards here, which can be frustrating. In a company this size, it does take a lot of championing the cause by the right people to get something like web standards in place. We're making progress, but it's a battle. Regards, David McDonald http://www.davidmcdonald.org Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Real world use of standards Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:06:45 +1100 I have a question for you all, given that quite a few of you work for large, CMS-type companies and the collective level of experience here is seemingly very large: How many of you have experienced working for companies/clients which actively embrace the standards and protocols/working methods we discuss here every day? It seems to me that very often dealing with clients and client needs makes using standards to the fullest an impractical thing at best. I'd like to know how many of you have experienced work-places where standards are extremely important, and not just an afterthought in the production process. This is perhaps a little off-topic, but I think it's worth a discussion because the PRACTICAL, real-world use of standards is surely of utmost importance to us all. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
