[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
The other windows 2000 server with CDONTS is exactly configured in the same way the xmail's server is. In the server with microsoft smtp server messages to hotmail.com and msn.com aren't queued. They were delivered in the first try. But, with XMail, messages to hotmail.com and msn.com are queued and stay there until the error maximum number of retris has been reached raises. I'm discarding DNS problems. Thanks Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: CLEMENT Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xmail@xmailserver.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:53 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered -Message d'origine- De : Edinilson J. Santos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 1 septembre 2005 20:37 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered I'm with the same problem since 1.21 but, because we are a XMail for Windows user using Microsoft stuffs (os, dns, etc), maybe others simply ignore it (including Davide!) Here I'm using ms smtp (aka cdonts) to delivery messages to hotmail.com and msn.com. Without this trick messages to hotmail.com and msn.com can't be delivered and in the spool we can see: ErrCode = -162 ErrString = End of socket stream data SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = mx1.hotmail.com. SMTP = mailserver From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = mx1.hotmail.com. ErrCode = -162 ErrString = End of socket stream data SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = mx2.hotmail.com. SMTP = mailserver From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = mx2.hotmail.com. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br Seems to be not exactly the same problem here as xmail reported it tryed the connexion to mx1.hotmail.com and mx2.hotmail.com (SMTP-Server lines) so here xmail USE the MX records ! Seems hotmail very busy here ... Is this the complete report ? (as I don't see xmail trying mx3.hotmail.com and mx4.hotmail.com ... nor the overs tests) A little question to Davide : could xmail add also the IP used in the 'SMTP-Server' line ? This could help to test connectivity to the exact server on domains with multiples ip's associated with the MX used (like hotmail and yahoo)? Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
Davide Wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dig intergraonline.com. mx +trace snip intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns1.qsrch.net. intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns2.qsrch.net. intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns3.qsrch.net. intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns4.qsrch.net. ;; Received 181 bytes from 192.26.92.30#53(C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET) in 99 ms intergraonline.com. 86400 IN CNAME pjn.qsrch.net. .. 518400 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.net. snip I get the same, is this showing that the dunce has used a CNAME as the result of an MX lookup - RFC says don't do. This shows it a little easier to read (plain english) - although 'nslookup' did go the extra step and resolve the CNAME. C:\nslookup set q=mx intergraonline.com. Server: eth0.nms1.vic01.dataco.com.au Address: 202.63.39.130 Non-authoritative answer: intergraonline.com canonical name = pjn.qsrch.net pjn.qsrch.net MX preference = 0, mail exchanger = ix2-mail-gw.new.net - I just got through telling someone else, if you don't follow the RFCs how can you expect the Internet to talk to you. The fix here is to contact the hostmaster and enlighten him/her. Rob :-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
On Friday 02 September 2005 11:32, Rob Arends wrote: Davide Wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] davide]$ dig greenbaycc.org. ns +trace greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns02.taiasp.net. greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns01.taiasp.net. ;; Received 88 bytes from 204.74.112.1#53(TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET) in 58 ms greenbaycc.org. 3600IN NS taadns01. ;; Received 54 bytes from 67.39.138.9#53(taadns02.taiasp.net) in 66 ms What's taadns01. ?? - Davide So why then do I get: C:\dig @61.88.88.88 greenbaycc.org. mx +trace ; DiG 9.2.3 @61.88.88.88 greenbaycc.org. mx +trace ;; global options: printcmd .. 493369 IN NS L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 493369 IN NS K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. ;; Received 356 bytes from 61.88.88.88#53(61.88.88.88) in 60 ms org.172800 IN NS TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET. org.172800 IN NS TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET. org.172800 IN NS TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. org.172800 IN NS TLD4.ULTRADNS.org. org.172800 IN NS TLD5.ULTRADNS.INFO. org.172800 IN NS TLD6.ULTRADNS.CO.UK. ;; Received 290 bytes from 198.32.64.12#53(L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 230 ms greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns02.taiasp.net. greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns01.taiasp.net. ;; Received 88 bytes from 204.74.112.1#53(TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET) in 250 ms greenbaycc.org. 3600IN MX 10 mail.greenbaycc.org. ;; Received 69 bytes from 67.39.138.9#53(taadns02.taiasp.net) in 270 ms Interesting. I get the same response as Davide. It seems there has been a change which hasn't completely propagated through the DNS tree. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, John Kielkopf wrote: Davide Libenzi wrote: greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns02.taiasp.net. greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns01.taiasp.net. ;; Received 88 bytes from 204.74.112.1#53(TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET) in 58 ms greenbaycc.org. 3600IN NS taadns01. ;; Received 54 bytes from 67.39.138.9#53(taadns02.taiasp.net) in 66 ms What's taadns01. ?? However, it doesn't seem to stop nslookup or other tools from retrieving the MX record. How does XMail differ? I put a version of XMail that tries to cope with broken DNS setups here: http://www.xmailserver.org/xmail-1.22-pre01.tar.gz The above case (the taadns01. is obviosly a broken A record), is now solved by doing a fallback on the non-authoritatives NS. - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
Francis, this also true for me: Yes The problem is EXACTLY 'XMAIL comes back to the A record for obscure reasons (internal or due to bad dns responses ?) even if MX records exists for the target domains'. I'm glad there *is* someone with the *same* problem as me. It means the problem is reproducible - always good when you need to track down a weird problem. Rob: -) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CLEMENT Francis Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:34 PM To: 'xmail@xmailserver.org' Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered -Message d'origine- De : Rob Arends [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 1 septembre 2005 01:53 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered Francis,=20 This is the exact error I have had before. I have the same setup - your *whole* description below is *exactly* what I have. I have had this = problem while on 1.15 1.17 also. However at the time though, I did not know = why my emails were failing. I don't remember exactly if we encourated the problem with 1.17 (seams not in my mind) (but can be explained because we didn't had many traffic directed to hotmail at 1.17 time) The only difference is that I have not had an issue with hotmail, = usually it is with some other domains. Perhaps my users don't send to hotmail as = much. I have not had the time to debug it to an absolute end and offer proof, = and so the previous thread died. I have tracked it down to the fact that every domain that I have had problems with has had an A record for the domain that A record = resolves to a different IP than that of the MX record. This in itself is True not a DNS problem (normal dns operation). But I have found that clearing xmail's = dns cache restarting xmail resolves the problem for a while. IIRC just restarting xmail might be enough. Yes The problem is EXACTLY 'XMAIL comes back to the A record for obscur reasons (internal or due to bad dns responses ?) even if MX records exists for the target domains'. I actually used the SmartDNSHost only *after* I have troubles with MX = A records, but while the problem *seems* to have reduced, it has not gone. It does seem to be a logic issue in xmail's mx resolving code, but I = have no proof. In my current configuration, xmail 1.21 forwarding ALL traffic to a Symantec SMTP AV Gateway USING the SAME Microsoft DNS SERVERS, then ALL TRAFFIC IS OK (except usual errors, timeouts, ...) In another 'old' configuration, we used a Microsoft (yes!) Iis SMTP server using the same dns sservers and all was ok too !! I expect that an Ethereal trace before and after is the only thing that = can be done to prove it. I have to get time to get them ... Hopefully this info will help someone that has the time the symptoms = to get to the bottom of it. Rob :) Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
I'm with the same problem since 1.21 but, because we are a XMail for Windows user using Microsoft stuffs (os, dns, etc), maybe others simply ignore it (including Davide!) Here I'm using ms smtp (aka cdonts) to delivery messages to hotmail.com and msn.com. Without this trick messages to hotmail.com and msn.com can't be delivered and in the spool we can see: ErrCode = -162 ErrString = End of socket stream data SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = mx1.hotmail.com. SMTP = mailserver From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = mx1.hotmail.com. ErrCode = -162 ErrString = End of socket stream data SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = mx2.hotmail.com. SMTP = mailserver From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = mx2.hotmail.com. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: Rob Arends [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xmail@xmailserver.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered Francis, this also true for me: Yes The problem is EXACTLY 'XMAIL comes back to the A record for obscure reasons (internal or due to bad dns responses ?) even if MX records exists for the target domains'. I'm glad there *is* someone with the *same* problem as me. It means the problem is reproducible - always good when you need to track down a weird problem. Rob: -) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CLEMENT Francis Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:34 PM To: 'xmail@xmailserver.org' Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered -Message d'origine- De : Rob Arends [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 1 septembre 2005 01:53 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered Francis,=20 This is the exact error I have had before. I have the same setup - your *whole* description below is *exactly* what I have. I have had this = problem while on 1.15 1.17 also. However at the time though, I did not know = why my emails were failing. I don't remember exactly if we encourated the problem with 1.17 (seams not in my mind) (but can be explained because we didn't had many traffic directed to hotmail at 1.17 time) The only difference is that I have not had an issue with hotmail, = usually it is with some other domains. Perhaps my users don't send to hotmail as = much. I have not had the time to debug it to an absolute end and offer proof, = and so the previous thread died. I have tracked it down to the fact that every domain that I have had problems with has had an A record for the domain that A record = resolves to a different IP than that of the MX record. This in itself is True not a DNS problem (normal dns operation). But I have found that clearing xmail's = dns cache restarting xmail resolves the problem for a while. IIRC just restarting xmail might be enough. Yes The problem is EXACTLY 'XMAIL comes back to the A record for obscur reasons (internal or due to bad dns responses ?) even if MX records exists for the target domains'. I actually used the SmartDNSHost only *after* I have troubles with MX = A records, but while the problem *seems* to have reduced, it has not gone. It does seem to be a logic issue in xmail's mx resolving code, but I = have no proof. In my current configuration, xmail 1.21 forwarding ALL traffic to a Symantec SMTP AV Gateway USING the SAME Microsoft DNS SERVERS, then ALL TRAFFIC IS OK (except usual errors, timeouts, ...) In another 'old' configuration, we used a Microsoft (yes!) Iis SMTP server using the same dns sservers and all was ok too !! I expect that an Ethereal trace before and after is the only thing that = can be done to prove it. I have to get time to get them ... Hopefully this info will help someone that has the time the symptoms = to get to the bottom of it. Rob :) Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
Hello, Edinilson J. Santos wrote: I'm with the same problem since 1.21 but, because we are a XMail for Windows user using Microsoft stuffs (os, dns, etc), maybe others simply ignore it (including Davide!) Here I'm using ms smtp (aka cdonts) to delivery messages to hotmail.com and msn.com. Without this trick messages to hotmail.com and msn.com can't be delivered and in the spool we can see: ErrCode = -162 ErrString = End of socket stream data SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = mx1.hotmail.com. SMTP = mailserver From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = mx1.hotmail.com. ErrCode = -162 ErrString = End of socket stream data SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = mx2.hotmail.com. SMTP = mailserver From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = mx2.hotmail.com. this does not look like a the same problem, as XMail uses the MXes of hotmail.com But look: nslookup -type=mx hotmail.com Server: Address: Nicht autorisierte Antwort: hotmail.com MX preference = 5, mail exchanger = mx2.hotmail.com hotmail.com MX preference = 5, mail exchanger = mx3.hotmail.com hotmail.com MX preference = 5, mail exchanger = mx4.hotmail.com hotmail.com MX preference = 5, mail exchanger = mx1.hotmail.com I'd expect more errors (for mx3 and mx4). Could you send the complete error-log? Regards, Manuel Martin - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
Although yahoo.com has 4 mx records and each mx record has 4 A records: yahoo.com. ... MX 1 mx1.mail.yahoo.com. yahoo.com. ... MX 5 mx4.mail.yahoo.com. ... mx1.mail.yahoo.com. ... A 67.28.113.10 mx1.mail.yahoo.com. ... A 67.28.113.11 ... mx4.mail.yahoo.com. ... A 66.218.86.156 xmail tries only one A record for each mx record, in case of successive failures. This is by design. Please, is it an RFC recommendation? I understand the multiple A records are intended to provide load balance, but what is an mta supposed to do in case of failure? Shouldn't it try all A records till success? Many thanks. __ Converse com seus amigos em tempo real com o Yahoo! Messenger http://br.download.yahoo.com/messenger/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
I think most web browsers will cycle through A records until it finds one that works. I see no reason why an MTA shouldn't. RFC 2821 Section 5 says: When the lookup succeeds, the mapping can result in a list of alternative delivery addresses rather than a single address, because of multiple MX records, multihoming, or both. To provide reliable mail transmission, the SMTP client *MUST* be able to try (and retry) each of the relevant addresses in this list in order, until a delivery attempt succeeds. To me, this implies that Xmail should be trying the alternate A records. I do know that if any MX records exist for a domain, you should never fall back to the A record for that domain -- even if you're unable to connect to them. Does Xmail obey this? Leonardo Fogel wrote: Although yahoo.com has 4 mx records and each mx record has 4 A records: yahoo.com. ... MX 1 mx1.mail.yahoo.com. yahoo.com. ... MX 5 mx4.mail.yahoo.com. ... mx1.mail.yahoo.com. ... A 67.28.113.10 mx1.mail.yahoo.com. ... A 67.28.113.11 ... mx4.mail.yahoo.com. ... A 66.218.86.156 xmail tries only one A record for each mx record, in case of successive failures. This is by design. Please, is it an RFC recommendation? I understand the multiple A records are intended to provide load balance, but what is an mta supposed to do in case of failure? Shouldn't it try all A records till success? Many thanks. __ Converse com seus amigos em tempo real com o Yahoo! Messenger http://br.download.yahoo.com/messenger/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
Ok, it looks like we may be having this problem as well. Running 1.21 on linux. We're having trouble sending mail to greenbaycc.org greenbaycc.org has an MX record of mail.greenbaycc.org, that points to an A record of 67.39.138.28. There is no A record for greenbaycc.org, however Xmail reports this: [PeekTime] 1125623599 : Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:13:19 -0500 ErrCode = -40 ErrString = Invalid server address ErrInfo = greenbaycc.org SMAIL SMTP-Send FF = greenbaycc.org SMTP = smtp5.mnwebhost.net From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = greenbaycc.org I verified that I could resolve and connect to port 25 on mail.greenbaycc.org from our mail server immediately after receiving this message, so I doubt Xmail should have had trouble connecting less than one minute earlier (and all the other times it tried), had it been able to resolve to mail.greenbaycc.org correctly. dnsreport also has no trouble: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/mail.ch?domain=greenbaycc.org XMail doesn't seem to have a valid reason for using greenbaycc.org, so why is it?! Normally I write these 417 errors off as the receiving server being down or a typo on the domain name, but now I'm not so sure they all fall into this category. Davide, could you please double check this? Thanks, --John Rob Arends wrote: Francis, this also true for me: Yes The problem is EXACTLY 'XMAIL comes back to the A record for obscure reasons (internal or due to bad dns responses ?) even if MX records exists for the target domains'. I'm glad there *is* someone with the *same* problem as me. It means the problem is reproducible - always good when you need to track down a weird problem. Rob: -) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CLEMENT Francis Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:34 PM To: 'xmail@xmailserver.org' Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered -Message d'origine- De : Rob Arends [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 1 septembre 2005 01:53 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered Francis,=20 This is the exact error I have had before. I have the same setup - your *whole* description below is *exactly* what I have. I have had this = problem while on 1.15 1.17 also. However at the time though, I did not know = why my emails were failing. I don't remember exactly if we encourated the problem with 1.17 (seams not in my mind) (but can be explained because we didn't had many traffic directed to hotmail at 1.17 time) The only difference is that I have not had an issue with hotmail, = usually it is with some other domains. Perhaps my users don't send to hotmail as = much. I have not had the time to debug it to an absolute end and offer proof, = and so the previous thread died. I have tracked it down to the fact that every domain that I have had problems with has had an A record for the domain that A record = resolves to a different IP than that of the MX record. This in itself is True not a DNS problem (normal dns operation). But I have found that clearing xmail's = dns cache restarting xmail resolves the problem for a while. IIRC just restarting xmail might be enough. Yes The problem is EXACTLY 'XMAIL comes back to the A record for obscur reasons (internal or due to bad dns responses ?) even if MX records exists for the target domains'. I actually used the SmartDNSHost only *after* I have troubles with MX = A records, but while the problem *seems* to have reduced, it has not gone. It does seem to be a logic issue in xmail's mx resolving code, but I = have no proof. In my current configuration, xmail 1.21 forwarding ALL traffic to a Symantec SMTP AV Gateway USING the SAME Microsoft DNS SERVERS, then ALL TRAFFIC IS OK (except usual errors, timeouts, ...) In another 'old' configuration, we used a Microsoft (yes!) Iis SMTP server using the same dns sservers and all was ok too !! I expect that an Ethereal trace before and after is the only thing that = can be done to prove it. I have to get time to get them ... Hopefully this info will help someone that has the time the symptoms = to get to the bottom of it. Rob :) Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
And just for the record: [PeekTime] 1125619099 : Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:58:19 -0500 ErrCode = -5 ErrString = Timeout error SMAIL SMTP-Send FF = intergraonline.com SMTP = smtp5.mnwebhost.net From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = intergraonline.com Again, intergraonline.com has an MX record: ix2-mail-gw.new.net So why is XMail trying intergraonline.com?? --John John Kielkopf wrote: Ok, it looks like we may be having this problem as well. Running 1.21 on linux. We're having trouble sending mail to greenbaycc.org greenbaycc.org has an MX record of mail.greenbaycc.org, that points to an A record of 67.39.138.28. There is no A record for greenbaycc.org, however Xmail reports this: [PeekTime] 1125623599 : Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:13:19 -0500 ErrCode = -40 ErrString = Invalid server address ErrInfo = greenbaycc.org SMAIL SMTP-Send FF = greenbaycc.org SMTP = smtp5.mnwebhost.net From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = greenbaycc.org I verified that I could resolve and connect to port 25 on mail.greenbaycc.org from our mail server immediately after receiving this message, so I doubt Xmail should have had trouble connecting less than one minute earlier (and all the other times it tried), had it been able to resolve to mail.greenbaycc.org correctly. dnsreport also has no trouble: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/mail.ch?domain=greenbaycc.org XMail doesn't seem to have a valid reason for using greenbaycc.org, so why is it?! Normally I write these 417 errors off as the receiving server being down or a typo on the domain name, but now I'm not so sure they all fall into this category. Davide, could you please double check this? Thanks, --John Rob Arends wrote: Francis, this also true for me: Yes The problem is EXACTLY 'XMAIL comes back to the A record for obscure reasons (internal or due to bad dns responses ?) even if MX records exists for the target domains'. I'm glad there *is* someone with the *same* problem as me. It means the problem is reproducible - always good when you need to track down a weird problem. Rob: -) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CLEMENT Francis Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:34 PM To: 'xmail@xmailserver.org' Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered -Message d'origine- De : Rob Arends [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 1 septembre 2005 01:53 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered Francis,=20 This is the exact error I have had before. I have the same setup - your *whole* description below is *exactly* what I have. I have had this = problem while on 1.15 1.17 also. However at the time though, I did not know = why my emails were failing. I don't remember exactly if we encourated the problem with 1.17 (seams not in my mind) (but can be explained because we didn't had many traffic directed to hotmail at 1.17 time) The only difference is that I have not had an issue with hotmail, = usually it is with some other domains. Perhaps my users don't send to hotmail as = much. I have not had the time to debug it to an absolute end and offer proof, = and so the previous thread died. I have tracked it down to the fact that every domain that I have had problems with has had an A record for the domain that A record = resolves to a different IP than that of the MX record. This in itself is True not a DNS problem (normal dns operation). But I have found that clearing xmail's = dns cache restarting xmail resolves the problem for a while. IIRC just restarting xmail might be enough. Yes The problem is EXACTLY 'XMAIL comes back to the A record for obscur reasons (internal or due to bad dns responses ?) even if MX records exists for the target domains'. I actually used the SmartDNSHost only *after* I have troubles with MX = A records, but while the problem *seems* to have reduced, it has not gone. It does seem to be a logic issue in xmail's mx resolving code, but I = have no proof. In my current configuration, xmail 1.21 forwarding ALL traffic to a Symantec SMTP AV Gateway USING the SAME Microsoft DNS SERVERS, then ALL TRAFFIC IS OK (except usual errors, timeouts, ...) In another 'old' configuration, we used a Microsoft (yes!) Iis SMTP server using the same dns sservers and all was ok too !! I expect that an Ethereal trace before and after is the only thing that = can be done to prove it. I have to get time to get them ... Hopefully this info will help someone that has the time the symptoms = to get to the bottom of it. Rob :) Francis - To
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, John Kielkopf wrote: Ok, it looks like we may be having this problem as well. Running 1.21 on linux. We're having trouble sending mail to greenbaycc.org greenbaycc.org has an MX record of mail.greenbaycc.org, that points to an A record of 67.39.138.28. There is no A record for greenbaycc.org, however Xmail reports this: [PeekTime] 1125623599 : Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:13:19 -0500 ErrCode = -40 ErrString = Invalid server address ErrInfo = greenbaycc.org SMAIL SMTP-Send FF = greenbaycc.org SMTP = smtp5.mnwebhost.net From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = greenbaycc.org I verified that I could resolve and connect to port 25 on mail.greenbaycc.org from our mail server immediately after receiving this message, so I doubt Xmail should have had trouble connecting less than one minute earlier (and all the other times it tried), had it been able to resolve to mail.greenbaycc.org correctly. dnsreport also has no trouble: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/mail.ch?domain=greenbaycc.org XMail doesn't seem to have a valid reason for using greenbaycc.org, so why is it?! Normally I write these 417 errors off as the receiving server being down or a typo on the domain name, but now I'm not so sure they all fall into this category. Davide, could you please double check this? Look here instead: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=greenbaycc.org Look at the trace of a name server query: [EMAIL PROTECTED] davide]$ dig greenbaycc.org. ns +trace ; DiG 9.3.0 greenbaycc.org. ns +trace ;; global options: printcmd .. 350386 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 350386 IN NS H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. ;; Received 324 bytes from 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) in 3 ms org.172800 IN NS TLD6.ULTRADNS.CO.UK. org.172800 IN NS TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET. org.172800 IN NS TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET. org.172800 IN NS TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. org.172800 IN NS TLD4.ULTRADNS.org. org.172800 IN NS TLD5.ULTRADNS.INFO. ;; Received 290 bytes from 192.36.148.17#53(I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 169 ms greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns02.taiasp.net. greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns01.taiasp.net. ;; Received 88 bytes from 204.74.112.1#53(TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET) in 58 ms greenbaycc.org. 3600IN NS taadns01. ;; Received 54 bytes from 67.39.138.9#53(taadns02.taiasp.net) in 66 ms What's taadns01. ?? - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, John Kielkopf wrote: And just for the record: [PeekTime] 1125619099 : Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:58:19 -0500 ErrCode = -5 ErrString = Timeout error SMAIL SMTP-Send FF = intergraonline.com SMTP = smtp5.mnwebhost.net From = [EMAIL PROTECTED] To = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Failed ! SMTP-Error = 417 Temporary delivery error SMTP-Server = intergraonline.com Again, intergraonline.com has an MX record: ix2-mail-gw.new.net So why is XMail trying intergraonline.com?? Another champion here: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=intergraonline.com This is what a dig +trace shows me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dig intergraonline.com. mx +trace ; DiG 9.3.1 intergraonline.com. mx +trace ;; global options: printcmd .. 264939 IN NS E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. .. 264939 IN NS D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. ;; Received 436 bytes from 10.107.17.205#53(10.107.17.205) in 1 ms com.172800 IN NS B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS D.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS E.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS F.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS H.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS J.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS K.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS L.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com.172800 IN NS A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. ;; Received 508 bytes from 192.203.230.10#53(E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 32 ms intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns1.qsrch.net. intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns2.qsrch.net. intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns3.qsrch.net. intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns4.qsrch.net. ;; Received 181 bytes from 192.26.92.30#53(C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET) in 99 ms intergraonline.com. 86400 IN CNAME pjn.qsrch.net. .. 518400 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS D.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS E.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS F.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS G.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS H.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS J.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS K.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS L.ROOT-SERVERS.net. .. 518400 IN NS M.ROOT-SERVERS.net. ;; Received 271 bytes from 64.74.134.1#53(ns1.qsrch.net) in 36 ms - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, John Kielkopf wrote: I think most web browsers will cycle through A records until it finds one that works. I see no reason why an MTA shouldn't. RFC 2821 Section 5 says: When the lookup succeeds, the mapping can result in a list of alternative delivery addresses rather than a single address, because of multiple MX records, multihoming, or both. To provide reliable mail transmission, the SMTP client *MUST* be able to try (and retry) each of the relevant addresses in this list in order, until a delivery attempt succeeds. To me, this implies that Xmail should be trying the alternate A records. I do know that if any MX records exist for a domain, you should never fall back to the A record for that domain -- even if you're unable to connect to them. Does Xmail obey this? What do you think? - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
Davide Libenzi wrote: greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns02.taiasp.net. greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns01.taiasp.net. ;; Received 88 bytes from 204.74.112.1#53(TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET) in 58 ms greenbaycc.org. 3600IN NS taadns01. ;; Received 54 bytes from 67.39.138.9#53(taadns02.taiasp.net) in 66 ms What's taadns01. ?? However, it doesn't seem to stop nslookup or other tools from retrieving the MX record. How does XMail differ? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi all, would downgrading to a previous xmail version solve this hotmail/yahoo problem? if so, is there a repository for other rpm versions? Joe Harrell wrote: No, not all, I had this problem with Hotmail/MSN and worked around it the same way as the others by using another SMTP server. Actually ended up sending out everything that way, rather than fight with those that won't go on a case by case basis. Running Linux (Fedora) and current version of Xmail. On 8/30/05, Jeff Buehler wrote: I remember this topic too. The only thing I thought strange at the time, and still do, is that many users of 1.21 are not affected by this problem at all (myself being an example), and so there must be something related in the systems of those who do have the problem. I am not saying any of these things are the cause (I have no idea) but I remember thinking that many (all?) were running Windows Systems and that many were coming from outside the U.S.. Perhaps the problem is with the Windows binary, or the way it interacts with Microsoft DNS? Maybe there is something else related? It seems to me it might be helpful if people with this problem published relevant system data so that we can see what the commonalities are to isolate the problem... just a thought. Jeff Edinilson J. Santos wrote: I'm using the same solution that Francis described without problems. Try to search in the list about this topic. I'm the first that related it few months ago. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: CLEMENT Francis To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered This problem was previously reported on this mailing list. Seems (but not completly clarified/debugged at this time) 'xmail 1.21' have some problems with some 'domains' zones setup (hotmail and yahoo in most cases). Seems xmail or dns server or tcp stack ? finaly choose the domain A record and not the MX record for the domain in some cases ! even if a nslookup or dig get the correct response ... I had the same problem, and configured xmail to allways use a smtp gateway (a iis smtp server on another computer using the same dns server for final delivery !!) to temporary resolve sending to these domains (especialy hotmail ...) So, if you isp provide you a smtp gateway, tell xmail to deliver to it and let the isp smtp server do the job. Put this line in smtpfwd.tab (replace a.b.c.d with you isp smtp server) : * a.b.c.d:25 As I said previously I have to get some tcp dumps to help understand the problem when xmail resolves by itself on these domains but my xmail server is in 'production' (for customers) and i can't test with it for this delivery problem so I need to find time to run another server on another 'dummy' domain ... Francis -Message d'origine- De : David Lord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 30 août 2005 12:33 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
Francis, This is the exact error I have had before. I have the same setup - your *whole* description below is *exactly* what I have. I have had this problem while on 1.15 1.17 also. However at the time though, I did not know why my emails were failing. The only difference is that I have not had an issue with hotmail, usually it is with some other domains. Perhaps my users don't send to hotmail as much. I have not had the time to debug it to an absolute end and offer proof, and so the previous thread died. I have tracked it down to the fact that every domain that I have had problems with has had an A record for the domain that A record resolves to a different IP than that of the MX record. This in itself is not a DNS problem (normal dns operation). But I have found that clearing xmail's dns cache restarting xmail resolves the problem for a while. IIRC just restarting xmail might be enough. I actually used the SmartDNSHost only *after* I have troubles with MX A records, but while the problem *seems* to have reduced, it has not gone. It does seem to be a logic issue in xmail's mx resolving code, but I have no proof. I expect that an Ethereal trace before and after is the only thing that can be done to prove it. Hopefully this info will help someone that has the time the symptoms to get to the bottom of it. Rob :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CLEMENT Francis Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:55 PM To: 'xmail@xmailserver.org' Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered As I said, I have to setup a 'no-production' server to get dns tcp dumps to help find the problem. At now, here are some infos : Configuration : XMail Server : - Windows 2000 server SP4 + all patchs - XMail 1.21 - XMail directed to use SmartDNSHost to point to DNS server Dns Server used : - Windows 2000 server SP4 + all patchs - Microsoft DNS Server (included in w2k) In this configuration, SOME TIMES, no mail is delivered to hotmail.com : XMail said : The maximum number of delivery attempts has been reached Analysing the spool file, the POINTED mail server for hotmail IS NOT one of the MX's declared in hotmail.com zone Doing a nslookup USING the above dns server get the good MX list. Doing a nslookup to find the A records for hotmail.com returns THE IP used by xmail to deliver !! Verifying the xmail dns cache get THE GOOD MX's in the hotmail.com file So its very STRANGE ! XMAIL first get the GOOD MX's to fill it's dns cache, but for some reasons use the domain A record to deliver !! When stopping xmail, clearing the xmail dns cache completly (sub directories mx and dns) then restarting xmail resultes in xmail USING the good MX's for some times, then, suddently use the A record again ... Note : Before using xmail 1.21 I used 1.17 WITHOUT problems with this setup (same server, same dns, same ips, ...) and never used 1.18 nor 1.19 nor 1.20, so I don't know if the problem was not allready here with them. (I started using 1.21 for smtp filters capabilities...) The change log shows that started with 1.18 there were some changes in the dns code part in xmail but I don't know if it could generate the problem (related to 'Fixed a bug in the DNS resolved that made XMail to not correctly handle domain CNAMEs.') I'm not enought familiarised in xmail internals to said yes or not Could we have a 'test' version with the pre-1.18 resolver in a 1.21 to see what appends ? Francis -Message d'origine- De : Jeff Buehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 31 août 2005 00:45 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered Some people are distinctly having this problem with 1.21, and others are distinctly not having this problem with 1.21? Sounds fishy to me - there must be some sort of common attribute of the systems that are having the problem... it is also suspect because it is intermittent, and so there is a big difference between a consistent problem with Hotmail/MSN and a different consistent problem with Hotmail AND Yahoo, so fine grained analysis seems to me the only solution. For example, what exactly is the common error. I have hundreds (or more) emails being sent to Yahoo and Hotmail every day without any difficulty running1.21 from a FreeBSD system with BIND. Are you absolutely certain that the problem you had with MSN/Hotmail on your Fedora system is the same problem that the others are seeing? If there is a problem that is clearly identifiable I would think that very specific information would be necessary to track it down - what is the (exact) OS, is BIND being run by anyone that has seen this problem (and can identify it as the same problem exactly), and so on. This was basically what I put forward last time, but there was no real hard data to go on, so the thread just died. The only
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
I'm using the same solution that Francis described without problems. Try to search in the list about this topic. I'm the first that related it few months ago. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: CLEMENT Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xmail@xmailserver.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered This problem was previously reported on this mailing list. Seems (but not completly clarified/debugged at this time) 'xmail 1.21' have some problems with some 'domains' zones setup (hotmail and yahoo in most cases). Seems xmail or dns server or tcp stack ? finaly choose the domain A record and not the MX record for the domain in some cases ! even if a nslookup or dig get the correct response ... I had the same problem, and configured xmail to allways use a smtp gateway (a iis smtp server on another computer using the same dns server for final delivery !!) to temporary resolve sending to these domains (especialy hotmail ...) So, if you isp provide you a smtp gateway, tell xmail to deliver to it and let the isp smtp server do the job. Put this line in smtpfwd.tab (replace a.b.c.d with you isp smtp server) : * a.b.c.d:25 As I said previously I have to get some tcp dumps to help understand the problem when xmail resolves by itself on these domains but my xmail server is in 'production' (for customers) and i can't test with it for this delivery problem so I need to find time to run another server on another 'dummy' domain ... Francis -Message d'origine- De : David Lord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 30 août 2005 12:33 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
I remember this topic too. The only thing I thought strange at the time, and still do, is that many users of 1.21 are not affected by this problem at all (myself being an example), and so there must be something related in the systems of those who do have the problem. I am not saying any of these things are the cause (I have no idea) but I remember thinking that many (all?) were running Windows Systems and that many were coming from outside the U.S.. Perhaps the problem is with the Windows binary, or the way it interacts with Microsoft DNS? Maybe there is something else related? It seems to me it might be helpful if people with this problem published relevant system data so that we can see what the commonalities are to isolate the problem... just a thought. Jeff Edinilson J. Santos wrote: I'm using the same solution that Francis described without problems. Try to search in the list about this topic. I'm the first that related it few months ago. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: CLEMENT Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xmail@xmailserver.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered This problem was previously reported on this mailing list. Seems (but not completly clarified/debugged at this time) 'xmail 1.21' have some problems with some 'domains' zones setup (hotmail and yahoo in most cases). Seems xmail or dns server or tcp stack ? finaly choose the domain A record and not the MX record for the domain in some cases ! even if a nslookup or dig get the correct response ... I had the same problem, and configured xmail to allways use a smtp gateway (a iis smtp server on another computer using the same dns server for final delivery !!) to temporary resolve sending to these domains (especialy hotmail ...) So, if you isp provide you a smtp gateway, tell xmail to deliver to it and let the isp smtp server do the job. Put this line in smtpfwd.tab (replace a.b.c.d with you isp smtp server) : * a.b.c.d:25 As I said previously I have to get some tcp dumps to help understand the problem when xmail resolves by itself on these domains but my xmail server is in 'production' (for customers) and i can't test with it for this delivery problem so I need to find time to run another server on another 'dummy' domain ... Francis -Message d'origine- De : David Lord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 30 août 2005 12:33 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
We run XMail on Windows, but we use Bind on Windows instead of Microsoft DNS. I do not think we have had any problems with yahoo and hotmail. Were the people seeing this problem using Microsoft DNS or BIND? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Buehler Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:05 AM To: xmail@xmailserver.org Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered I remember this topic too. The only thing I thought strange at the time, and still do, is that many users of 1.21 are not affected by this problem at all (myself being an example), and so there must be something related in the systems of those who do have the problem. I am not saying any of these things are the cause (I have no idea) but I remember thinking that many (all?) were running Windows Systems and that many were coming from outside the U.S.. Perhaps the problem is with the Windows binary, or the way it interacts with Microsoft DNS? Maybe there is something else related? It seems to me it might be helpful if people with this problem published relevant system data so that we can see what the commonalities are to isolate the problem... just a thought. Jeff Edinilson J. Santos wrote: I'm using the same solution that Francis described without problems. Try to search in the list about this topic. I'm the first that related it few months ago. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: CLEMENT Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xmail@xmailserver.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered This problem was previously reported on this mailing list. Seems (but not completly clarified/debugged at this time) 'xmail 1.21' have some problems with some 'domains' zones setup (hotmail and yahoo in most cases). Seems xmail or dns server or tcp stack ? finaly choose the domain A record and not the MX record for the domain in some cases ! even if a nslookup or dig get the correct response ... I had the same problem, and configured xmail to allways use a smtp gateway (a iis smtp server on another computer using the same dns server for final delivery !!) to temporary resolve sending to these domains (especialy hotmail ...) So, if you isp provide you a smtp gateway, tell xmail to deliver to it and let the isp smtp server do the job. Put this line in smtpfwd.tab (replace a.b.c.d with you isp smtp server) : * a.b.c.d:25 As I said previously I have to get some tcp dumps to help understand the problem when xmail resolves by itself on these domains but my xmail server is in 'production' (for customers) and i can't test with it for this delivery problem so I need to find time to run another server on another 'dummy' domain ... Francis -Message d'origine- De : David Lord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 30 août 2005 12:33 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
We used to run Xmail on windows with MS DNS for some time. I don't recall ever having this problem. Shiloh Jennings wrote: We run XMail on Windows, but we use Bind on Windows instead of Microsoft DNS. I do not think we have had any problems with yahoo and hotmail. Were the people seeing this problem using Microsoft DNS or BIND? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Buehler Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:05 AM To: xmail@xmailserver.org Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered I remember this topic too. The only thing I thought strange at the time, and still do, is that many users of 1.21 are not affected by this problem at all (myself being an example), and so there must be something related in the systems of those who do have the problem. I am not saying any of these things are the cause (I have no idea) but I remember thinking that many (all?) were running Windows Systems and that many were coming from outside the U.S.. Perhaps the problem is with the Windows binary, or the way it interacts with Microsoft DNS? Maybe there is something else related? It seems to me it might be helpful if people with this problem published relevant system data so that we can see what the commonalities are to isolate the problem... just a thought. Jeff Edinilson J. Santos wrote: I'm using the same solution that Francis described without problems. Try to search in the list about this topic. I'm the first that related it few months ago. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: CLEMENT Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xmail@xmailserver.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered This problem was previously reported on this mailing list. Seems (but not completly clarified/debugged at this time) 'xmail 1.21' have some problems with some 'domains' zones setup (hotmail and yahoo in most cases). Seems xmail or dns server or tcp stack ? finaly choose the domain A record and not the MX record for the domain in some cases ! even if a nslookup or dig get the correct response ... I had the same problem, and configured xmail to allways use a smtp gateway (a iis smtp server on another computer using the same dns server for final delivery !!) to temporary resolve sending to these domains (especialy hotmail ...) So, if you isp provide you a smtp gateway, tell xmail to deliver to it and let the isp smtp server do the job. Put this line in smtpfwd.tab (replace a.b.c.d with you isp smtp server) : * a.b.c.d:25 As I said previously I have to get some tcp dumps to help understand the problem when xmail resolves by itself on these domains but my xmail server is in 'production' (for customers) and i can't test with it for this delivery problem so I need to find time to run another server on another 'dummy' domain ... Francis -Message d'origine- De : David Lord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 30 août 2005 12:33 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
I would be interested to know, I can't imagine one -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens John Kielkopf Verzonden: dinsdag 30 augustus 2005 17:50 Aan: xmail@xmailserver.org Onderwerp: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered We used to run Xmail on windows with MS DNS for some time. I don't recall ever having this problem. Shiloh Jennings wrote: We run XMail on Windows, but we use Bind on Windows instead of Microsoft DNS. I do not think we have had any problems with yahoo and hotmail. Were the people seeing this problem using Microsoft DNS or BIND? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Buehler Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:05 AM To: xmail@xmailserver.org Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered I remember this topic too. The only thing I thought strange at the time, and still do, is that many users of 1.21 are not affected by this problem at all (myself being an example), and so there must be something related in the systems of those who do have the problem. I am not saying any of these things are the cause (I have no idea) but I remember thinking that many (all?) were running Windows Systems and that many were coming from outside the U.S.. Perhaps the problem is with the Windows binary, or the way it interacts with Microsoft DNS? Maybe there is something else related? It seems to me it might be helpful if people with this problem published relevant system data so that we can see what the commonalities are to isolate the problem... just a thought. Jeff Edinilson J. Santos wrote: I'm using the same solution that Francis described without problems. Try to search in the list about this topic. I'm the first that related it few months ago. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: CLEMENT Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xmail@xmailserver.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered This problem was previously reported on this mailing list. Seems (but not completly clarified/debugged at this time) 'xmail 1.21' have some problems with some 'domains' zones setup (hotmail and yahoo in most cases). Seems xmail or dns server or tcp stack ? finaly choose the domain A record and not the MX record for the domain in some cases ! even if a nslookup or dig get the correct response ... I had the same problem, and configured xmail to allways use a smtp gateway (a iis smtp server on another computer using the same dns server for final delivery !!) to temporary resolve sending to these domains (especialy hotmail ...) So, if you isp provide you a smtp gateway, tell xmail to deliver to it and let the isp smtp server do the job. Put this line in smtpfwd.tab (replace a.b.c.d with you isp smtp server) : * a.b.c.d:25 As I said previously I have to get some tcp dumps to help understand the problem when xmail resolves by itself on these domains but my xmail server is in 'production' (for customers) and i can't test with it for this delivery problem so I need to find time to run another server on another 'dummy' domain ... Francis -Message d'origine- De : David Lord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoy : mardi 30 aot 2005 12:33 : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 22-8-2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 22-8-2005 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
--- Leonardo Fogel wrote: Once in a while, xmail postmaster get some Error sending message to yahoo.com.br (aka yahoo.com): [02] The reason of the delivery failure was: The maximum number of delivery attempts has been reached ... ErrCode = -3 ErrString = Network kernel error but I still don't know what they mean exactly. Only once in a while. Most of the time XMail (Linux) and Bind (Linux) work fine, and I don't believe the problem _I_get_ is related to DNS. __ Converse com seus amigos em tempo real com o Yahoo! Messenger http://br.download.yahoo.com/messenger/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
Weird, I am sending messages to yahoo _and_ hotmail and they get delivered. Have you checked your config settings ? Any strange setup ? Firewalls ? Proxies ? Any software running on top of xmail ? Say for spam blocking and stuff ? s. From: David Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: xmail@xmailserver.org To: xmail@xmailserver.org Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:33:09 - Received: from x35.xmailserver.org ([69.30.125.51]) by mc5-f22.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:27:32 -0700 Received: from x35.xmailserver.org ([127.0.0.1]:40639)by localhost.localdomain with [XMail 1.21 ESMTP Server]id S19A4D3 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] from [EMAIL PROTECTED];Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:27:42 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list xmail); Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lordynet.org ([81.187.77.35]:59203)by xmailserver.org with [XMail 1.21 ESMTP Server]id S19A4D0 for xmail@xmailserver.org from [EMAIL PROTECTED];Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:27:37 -0700 Received: from p2x733.home.lordynet.org ([192.168.59.156]:1307)by mail.lordynet.org with [XMail 1.21 ESMTP Server]id S1960 for xmail@xmailserver.org from [EMAIL PROTECTED];Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:27:00 - Received: from Spooler by p2x733.home.lordynet.org (Mercury/32 v3.32) ID MO03; 30 Aug 05 11:27:00 - Received: from spooler by p2x733.home.lordynet.org (Mercury/32 v3.32); 30 Aug 05 11:26:50 - X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGpvU+IP5ObVBkWSvbUXNYfkU+gaT5AnrE= Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-original-sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk X-list: xmail Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2005 11:27:32.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFFF07F0:01C5AD55] On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
No, not all, I had this problem with Hotmail/MSN and worked around it the same way as the others by using another SMTP server. Actually ended up sending out everything that way, rather than fight with those that won't go on a case by case basis. Running Linux (Fedora) and current version of Xmail. On 8/30/05, Jeff Buehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember this topic too. The only thing I thought strange at the time, and still do, is that many users of 1.21 are not affected by this problem at all (myself being an example), and so there must be something related in the systems of those who do have the problem. I am not saying any of these things are the cause (I have no idea) but I remember thinking that many (all?) were running Windows Systems and that many were coming from outside the U.S.. Perhaps the problem is with the Windows binary, or the way it interacts with Microsoft DNS? Maybe there is something else related? It seems to me it might be helpful if people with this problem published relevant system data so that we can see what the commonalities are to isolate the problem... just a thought. Jeff Edinilson J. Santos wrote: I'm using the same solution that Francis described without problems. Try to search in the list about this topic. I'm the first that related it few months ago. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: CLEMENT Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xmail@xmailserver.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered This problem was previously reported on this mailing list. Seems (but not completly clarified/debugged at this time) 'xmail 1.21' have some problems with some 'domains' zones setup (hotmail and yahoo in most cases). Seems xmail or dns server or tcp stack ? finaly choose the domain A record and not the MX record for the domain in some cases ! even if a nslookup or dig get the correct response ... I had the same problem, and configured xmail to allways use a smtp gateway (a iis smtp server on another computer using the same dns server for final delivery !!) to temporary resolve sending to these domains (especialy hotmail ...) So, if you isp provide you a smtp gateway, tell xmail to deliver to it and let the isp smtp server do the job. Put this line in smtpfwd.tab (replace a.b.c.d with you isp smtp server) : * a.b.c.d:25 As I said previously I have to get some tcp dumps to help understand the problem when xmail resolves by itself on these domains but my xmail server is in 'production' (for customers) and i can't test with it for this delivery problem so I need to find time to run another server on another 'dummy' domain ... Francis -Message d'origine- De : David Lord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 30 août 2005 12:33 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
I'm running xmail 1.21 with redhat 9 but im not using linux BINDperhaps if I make a DNS caching server will it get fixed? Joe Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, not all, I had this problem with Hotmail/MSN and worked around it the same way as the others by using another SMTP server. Actually ended up sending out everything that way, rather than fight with those that won't go on a case by case basis. Running Linux (Fedora) and current version of Xmail. On 8/30/05, Jeff Buehler wrote: I remember this topic too. The only thing I thought strange at the time, and still do, is that many users of 1.21 are not affected by this problem at all (myself being an example), and so there must be something related in the systems of those who do have the problem. I am not saying any of these things are the cause (I have no idea) but I remember thinking that many (all?) were running Windows Systems and that many were coming from outside the U.S.. Perhaps the problem is with the Windows binary, or the way it interacts with Microsoft DNS? Maybe there is something else related? It seems to me it might be helpful if people with this problem published relevant system data so that we can see what the commonalities are to isolate the problem... just a thought. Jeff Edinilson J. Santos wrote: I'm using the same solution that Francis described without problems. Try to search in the list about this topic. I'm the first that related it few months ago. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: CLEMENT Francis To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered This problem was previously reported on this mailing list. Seems (but not completly clarified/debugged at this time) 'xmail 1.21' have some problems with some 'domains' zones setup (hotmail and yahoo in most cases). Seems xmail or dns server or tcp stack ? finaly choose the domain A record and not the MX record for the domain in some cases ! even if a nslookup or dig get the correct response ... I had the same problem, and configured xmail to allways use a smtp gateway (a iis smtp server on another computer using the same dns server for final delivery !!) to temporary resolve sending to these domains (especialy hotmail ...) So, if you isp provide you a smtp gateway, tell xmail to deliver to it and let the isp smtp server do the job. Put this line in smtpfwd.tab (replace a.b.c.d with you isp smtp server) : * a.b.c.d:25 As I said previously I have to get some tcp dumps to help understand the problem when xmail resolves by itself on these domains but my xmail server is in 'production' (for customers) and i can't test with it for this delivery problem so I need to find time to run another server on another 'dummy' domain ... Francis -Message d'origine- De : David Lord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 30 août 2005 12:33 À : xmail@xmailserver.org Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered On 29 Aug 2005, at 3:33, jonn ah wrote: Hi all, we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered...Is there a default blacklist list that xmail automatically throws out messages to yahoo or hotmail to /dev/null? using tail -f /var/log/messages gives me nothing...I can however, send to other domains without any problems... any ideas? thanks! Possibly they both have tighter requirements on sender authentication, RDNS, SPF etc. David - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
--- jonn ah wrote: we're using xmail's pop3 and smtp service but when we try to send messages to either yahoo or hotmail, the messages does not seem to get delivered... Once in a while, xmail postmaster get some Error sending message to yahoo.com.br (aka yahoo.com): [02] The reason of the delivery failure was: The maximum number of delivery attempts has been reached ... ErrCode = -3 ErrString = Network kernel error but I still don't know what they mean exactly. __ Converse com seus amigos em tempo real com o Yahoo! Messenger http://br.download.yahoo.com/messenger/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
