RE: [ZION] The Return of the King
At 04:11 PM 11/18/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom wrote: The wise and venerable Till explains: Realizing that it was satire really helped, I stopped being offended by the seriousness of some of the absurdities. If that stuff is satire then why am I not allowed to guffaw loudly at all the appropriate places (virtually every line) during the movies? Those movies, to me are almost as funny as Airplane. But nobody else is laughing, and those of the female persuasion in my household don't appreciate my noisy enjoyment. What gives? Till gets in trouble for his obvious great mirth also. The vicar, what's his name, ah ... Mr Collins, is so funny that we can't help but guffaw. And Mr Bingley's brother-in-law, zonked out on the settle, is too funny for words. Especially combined with the only memorable line that he has, She prefers ragout, how very singular! or something to that effect. But Collins takes the buffoonery cake for sure. And the mother, what a hoot. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The Return of the King
At 11:30 PM 11/18/2003 +, St Stephen wrote: Hey, I'm Tom Bombadil, Tommy Bom-bom-ba-dil-lo! My head is a sieve, and my brain is like Bril-lo! I dance and I sing, and I sing and I dance! I'm a jolly old godling in search of my pants! You've certainly caught the essence, if not quite the right words. guffaw Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The Return of the King
At 08:58 AM 11/18/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: Yes, Tolkein has redeeming social value. I have always been fascinated with his characterizations and I thought the movie version did a reasonable job of bringing them to life. Potter, on the other hand, while entertaining, reminds me a great deal of the Hardy Boys (turns handle on crank for the next installment). Has it's use, but ... Ah yes, redeeming social value: an eye-of-the-beholder matter if there ever was one. Yes, we was smiling when we wrote that, wondering what sort of comments it might provoke. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Mouse
At 04:11 PM 11/18/2003 +, Gib Mij wrote: Mickey is 75 today. Somehow defines the age of our culture. Does this age also include his predecessor Steamboat Willy, or just his current incarnation as the Mick? Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Introducing Gary Smith
At 08:47 PM 11/15/2003 -0600, Heidi the fair wrote: LOVE the suggestion, Gary! We're only 6 hours from Nauvoo...let's plan on it! Till MAY be able to swing it. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Does anyone know?
At 09:14 AM 11/14/2003 +0900, Cousin Bill wrote: I mean, it isn't like we're talking about a real sport like . Rugby? Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
At 07:57 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, St Jon wrote: If this were lds-poll, I would say that there was a third hell, something about Mass. and one of their Senators. Hey, what about us New Yorkers? Till the downtrodden // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Starts with G Gap
At 01:24 AM 11/13/2003 +, Uncle Tom, the Gapper wrote: Usually one is disturbed by widening gaps and happier about narrowing gaps. But sometimes it's the other way around. Till has been ever mindful of the widening gap between those who choose good and those who choose evil. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Old Jeeps
At 10:17 PM 11/12/2003 -0500, Grampa Bill wrote: Grampa Bill comments: Not likely. Early Alzheimers predominently afftects short term memory... not interesting life memories that happened years ago. They say that as you age, your memory is the second thing to go. Unfortunately, I can't remember what the first thing is. Also can't remember if I've used this line before in this forum. Love y'all, Only about a hundred times! just kidding Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
At 10:58 PM 11/12/2003 -0700, Sir Lew wrote: At 01:16 PM 11/12/2003, you wrote: Once Satan is loosed, he will gather an army from amongst those still living upon the earth. However, it will not be anywhere near the numbers he has already taken with him. In a world populated with 10 billion people, I would imagine his army would be in the millions at most. From my understanding and as Brother McConkie indicates This final great battle, in which evil spirits, mortal men, and resurrected personages all participate, will be the end of war as far as this earth is concernedI believe that the final battle includes these evil spirits or in other words the 1/3 of the host of heaven that was kicked out with Satan. If this is the case it surely would be more than millions. Wow, what a huge rumble! Get's the old Celtic/Norse blood riling just to think about it. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
At 09:11 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: Cool your fighting blood and freshen your synapses, Till. If Brother McConkie is right this will obviously be a war of words -- of good thinking/doing prevailing over evil. Otherwise, s'plain to me how one would go about slaying the a spirit, or one of the Three Nephites, for instance. Skewer them with the sword of truth. Gets 'em every time. (right in the gizzard) Till, oilin' up his sword and gettin' ready to roll // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Old Jeeps
At 07:58 AM 11/13/2003 -0700, St Steven wrote: I think that was your first mistake--putting your faith and trust in a cornbinder grin. The absolutely worst truck I ever drove (It belonged to my dad, and he owned several trucks for his business) was a 1971 IH pickup. Gutless, always breaking down, miserable on gas mileage. I had a 1968 Cornbinder once. It was a 1 ton, 4 door, with 2 full seats. We used it to haul wood out of the woods. We called it The Beast He just loved to guzzle petrol. The springs would rock and roll (it was loaded to the gills, at least 5-6 ft high, with green wood) as it wallowed through the forest. The tires would squish and moan as it lurched along at an idle in grandma. Was quite an experience for the kids. Also had a 1971 Scout. He was named Old Man Rust Left rear quarter panel fell off on the road one evening and was dragging by the tail light wires. Caught fire once when I was out and about, but we just replaced the melted parts and we were good to go next day or two. He also loved to guzzle his petrol. While we're at it, we've had some jeeps, too. Had a 1946 CJ2 that I used in the woods for a while. Just sold the hulk a couple weeks ago. Also had a 1978 CJ5 that I drove as my primary vehicle for several years. Hate to say how many times I froze my toes in that puppy. It had a 360cu in engine. It was an awesome machine, for an old rustbucket with a raggedy rag top. Ah, the things memories are made of. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thrift!
At 06:31 AM 11/12/2003 -0700, St Steven wrote: The only time I got stuck with my Jeep was when I high centered it near Steinaker Reservoir, north of Vernal. It was on a narrow steep ridge-line that sloped off both ways and also sloped off front and back. I couldn't winch it, had absolutely no traction on any wheels, and couldn't budge it myself. I ended up paying a tow truck $50. All he had to do was put out a long line and then pull me about 3 feet, just enough to get me going again. That's when bumper jacks shine. Just jack one end up as far as you can get it, then give it a shove to tip it over (if the cuss-ed thing hasn't tipped over already). Repeat until clear. Once turned a car completely around like that in a narrow cut driveway up to my wazoo in snow. Or, in this instance, you could possibly have put rocks under the wheels one at a time as you got them airborn. Sort of built up enough cairn to float it free. Till the been there done that // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2
At 07:09 PM 11/7/2003 +, Rabbi Rabinowitz wrote: The bottom line is that while the question of exaltation may turn on our willingness to enter into the eternal covenant of marriage--a specific commandment--it turns most of all upon our willingness to keep ALL of his commandments and in so doing, to then allow the atonement (through the process of repentance) to take full effect in our lives. I think the operative words here are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise This is something that this feeble old brain doesn't completely understand, but it sounds pretty intimidating all the same. Could it be coincidental with the second comforter? Scary thought, says I, if you read the rest of the chapter with that in mind. I'm with the BLT, sometimes I fear God. It certainly gives me great incentive to try harder each day. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is Me
At 10:52 AM 11/8/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Tom Matkin wrote: I wear hats. Fedora's, Pendletons, Straws, Outbacks, and the like. I wear hats in a place where all the other men, and a few of the women, favour ball caps. Even in their Sunday best they will sometimes wear a John Deere cap... to the temple. It used to startle me a bit, but I've grown accustomed to it. Others have had trouble becoming accustomed to me in my black fedora, but ain't that the way it is, some of us never sit quite easy in the saddle. Years ago in my early 20's I wore a Stetson business fedora. Since then I have either been hatless or worn a baseball cap. Then last Christmas my wife bought me a fedora. Inside it proclaims that it is an official Indiana Jones hat, the same style he wore in the movies. I like it a lot, but it is wool felt. It isn't fur felt, and it doesn't have a satin lining, so it isn't the best hat I've every owned. I have ambitions to own an even better hat, by and by, maybe a homburg but probably another fedora. Where do you get your hats? Here in Ketchikan the selection is dismal. Do you buy any of them on the Internet. If so, what are some of your favorite websites? Till just got a new suede Aussie from Sierra Trading Post (Cheyenne WY) for under $20 US Perfectly serviceable. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] This is Me
At 05:11 PM 11/8/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom wrote: I've done a lot of window shopping for hats on the web. There's lots of sites, you can find them by searching for fedora hats on Google. I've drooled quite a lot over Clearwater Hats. They have a nice web presence and a great selection of handmade fur felt hats. Pricey, but I'm willing to chance that the quality is worth it. http://www.clearwaterhats.com/ One of these days ... Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Sons of perdition
At 05:16 PM 11/8/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: I have some quotes here, which will show that one must do more than receive the Holy Ghost and reject it to become a candidate for perdition. You will see that one must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened up, know God, and then totally and completely rebel. I agree with this, but what does it mean to have the heavens opened up, and know God? Can a person gain a perfect knowledge so that faith is dormant by the witness of the Holy Ghost alone? Or does he actually have to see the face of God? --JWR The more one knows, the more responsibility one carries. The deeper you get into the mud, the more difficult it is to get out. I, for one, would rather not push my luck to find out. Till the pragmatist // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thrift!
At 10:39 PM 11/8/2003 -0600, St John AE wrote: Back in the 70's I bought an MG Midget. It was new and I paid too much fir it, but it was a really cool car. It was fast, cornered like an expensive sports car and economical on the gas bill. It was the most fun I ever had driving. Yes, yes, Till once had a bugeye Austin Healy Sprite*. Absolute fun to drive. The only drawbacks were the long gap between 2nd and 3rd gear, and the absence of side windows (had curtains) when it was cold. Sure miss that little blue Frog! *precursor to the second model Sprite, which was exactly the same as the MG Midget. The bugeye had a slightly smaller displacement, but I found it would actually outperform the later version. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2
At 11:28 AM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Eternal Marriage Is Essential for Exaltation Many people in the world consider marriage to be only a social custom, a legal agreement between a man and a woman to live together. But to Latter-day Saints, marriage is much more. Our exaltation depends on marriage. We believe that marriage is the most sacred relationship that can exist between a man and a woman. This sacred relationship affects our happiness now and in the eternities. Heavenly Father has given us the law of eternal marriage so we can become like him. We must live this law to be able to have spirit children. The Lord has said: In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees; And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage]; And if he does not, he cannot obtain it (DC 131:1-3). --- Anyone disagree that this is official Church doctrine? Our missionaries teach it to investigators and it is taught to all new members as part of the Gospel Essentials Sunday School class. Is this controversial, or what? Are any of the Brethren divided on this? This, IMHO, is what we have to offer the world. This is what sets us apart from the other religions This is the essence of the gospel. The other things all point to this. There are other requirements along the way, but that's just the point, they're along the way. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos
At 03:32 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: And if you go looking for commies and pinkos you still might be able to find some of them if you look in the right places: China North Korea Cuba Vietnam Harvard Yale ??? Cornell! Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] An Illustrious Group
At 05:31 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Tom Valletta has just joined us. Yofi, Welcome home Br'er Tom. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2
At 03:44 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: George Cobabe wrote: As you know, John, when you ask the question I can testify that this is true. However there is more to the answer than what has been presented. I would be delighted to discuss this topic with courtesy and good will, if that would be possible. If you have any information that current Church leaders support your view that all who obtain the Celestial Kingdom inherit eternal life, I would be interested. Otherwise, I'd rather move on to something else. I don't want Tom Matkin leaving the list again. His views and mine are very much mainstream as stated in GOSPEL PRINCIPLES. I find DC 132 to be quite clear on this subject. I'll sit quietly in the John and Tom camp, thank you. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2
At 02:36 AM 11/7/2003 +, Gib Mij wrote: Many of us take it seriously too. As a single man I am working on addressing this concern as quickly as sanity and comfort can afford. I have discovered that it is not an easy thing for an older man. My friend, just care about all those around you, love them without any ulterior motives, do nice things for them without expectation of reward and one day one will love back. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] An Illustrious Group
At 07:52 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, Br'er Tom wrote: Ah, but I miss the lush hills of Ithaca!!! And the great people too. Did you say we're lushes here? The Hill's moved to Provo years ago, although he WAS back for a visit this summer. It IS pretty country here, though. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos
At 07:31 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, Br'er Tom wrote: Oh no. Is this a confession? Cornell! Till Tom the concerned. ;- When my 5th son was an undergraduate here, he used to complain all the time about some of his left-wing, commie professors, with their touchy-feely pseudo-intellectual clap-trap. It was a treat to listen to him. But then he calls his mother a socialist, too. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2
At 08:20 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, St George wrote: That's fine, Till. However I do not think you know the question in mind. You see, I find Sec 132 more that supportative and I believe it to be true as well. It is the scriptures, including 132, that I find supportive. With all due respect, my friend, I was referring specifically to the part where it says, with regards to those who have celestial marriage AND have been sealed by the holy spirit of promise, then shall they be gods, as opposed to those who have not. Of them. IIRC, it is said, and that shall be the end of their glory or some such. Are we just talking past each other on semantics? I take exaltation et al to mean the former of these two scenarios. Elsewhere in the scriptures I recall reading that damnation is defined as having one's progression ended. Certainly, I would concede, that to be a servant in the house of the most high would be far better than being a prince in a lesser kingdom, but still, it IS a cessation of progression. Till, who has said his piece // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours
At 05:48 AM 11/7/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: My youngest daughter attends school in Chestnut Hill, a section of Newton: Ah, yes, nice school. We (meaning Ithaca Ballet**) have one of our girls gong there this year, Dasha Kittridge, as a drama major. A marvelously talented and beautiful young lady. Till ** (Schindlerian footnote) I decided the best way to repay all the kindness they did for my family was to serve on the board of directors AFTER my kids were out of there. They've gone and made me president now, which means I get to control how long (or short) the meetings are. So I still have a direct interest in the students there. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours
Oh, man, how can a nut make THAT mistake? We was thinking, as Ron will easily recognize, of Walnut Hill, which is where, in Natick? Till the embarrassed (t least it was a cocunut!) At 05:48 AM 11/7/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: My youngest daughter attends school in Chestnut Hill, a section of Newton: Ah, yes, nice school. We (meaning Ithaca Ballet**) have one of our girls gong there this year, Dasha Kittridge, as a drama major. A marvelously talented and beautiful young lady. Till ** (Schindlerian footnote) I decided the best way to repay all the kindness they did for my family was to serve on the board of directors AFTER my kids were out of there. They've gone and made me president now, which means I get to control how long (or short) the meetings are. So I still have a direct interest in the students there. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
At 07:42 AM 11/5/2003 -0700, St George wrote: I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God. Could you arrange a meeting? Your place or hers? Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Welcome to the List, Ron
At 09:15 AM 11/5/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: Ad hominem defined: he who defines the term, can always redefine it to justify his attacks. But thanks, Till. I hope my differences of opinion aren't inferred (again) as ad hominems, but are regarded as they are intended: challenges to beliefs and practices that I don't think are consistent with the gospel Christ preached. No, no, I have been thoroughly enjoying and enlightened by this discussion. I just have allergic memories of some former Zion discussions. You'se guys are doing just great so far. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love
At 04:50 PM 11/5/2003 +, Gary wrote: What is important is that we don't twist that love as did Nehor and as do many today, to excuse their sinful natures. Has anyone taken the time and energy to look at the Anti-Christs in the Book of Mormon, such as Nehors, Korihor and company, to see how their philosophies play out in today's society? Since there's nothing new under the sun, I suspect that all of these abominations appear today, probably rather thinly cloaked, in the hype of today's cool thinking. And also, for some reason or other, the phrase how will our faces look when we are damned or something to that effect, while Alma and Amulek are being taunted, keeps coming back to mind. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Election Day
Don't forget to vote early and vote often. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Starts with F Gossip
At 10:25 AM 11/3/2003 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote: You ask yourself these three simple questions: 1. Is this fact about so and so kind? 2. Do I have undisputable knowledge of it, in other words, is it true? 3. Does the person I'm planning to share this with have a need to know? I suspect there are breakdowns in the system. Using your pregnancy example, I remember an instance where I was privy to such information, looked on favorably by the individual involved (quite excited, actually) (kindness test). I was given this information in confidence directly from the source (knowledge test). There were people who had a need to know (the family for example), but I know that I was correct in letting the individual personally disseminate the knowledge when and where she chose and just keep it to myself until it was a matter of public knowledge. Generally, though, I think it's a pretty sound test. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Wish List
At 05:26 PM 11/2/2003 -0900, you wrote: I am compiling a wish list of people I miss, people that I wish would actively participate on the list. Would any of you care to help me make my wish list? I can think of three quickly. Patty Crossett, Ron Scott (always good as a foil for the BLT), and D. Craig Huls. These are three that I have met face to face. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Roll Call
At 10:59 AM 10/30/2003 -0900, you wrote: Some former list members are returning. Hallelujah! I'm interested in finding out who is still here. Let's have a roll call. How about you Elmer Fairbanks? We're not sure about him. But Attilla the ELF is still alive and well Can anyone think of a way to get Tom Valletta back on here? I think that Elmer said he was off his mission. He finished July 1. The last email address I have is from January of 2002, so I doubt it's still good. He's now director of Curriculum, so he shouldn't be too hard to track down. Are you there Tammy Reber? Now that would be a real treat! We suspect that folks are busy trying to keep the kingdom of God alive in their own little corners of the vineyard. Some of us have been wearing ourselves out. Till the naughty // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Starts With G
At 02:50 PM 10/30/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom Presidente wrote: Think of how many things that start with G need to be taught (learned?). how about galloping gruff gregarious goats? gastric? grease? gangly? groovy? gravy? garters? oops Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [PMX:#] [ZION] Harold Bloom
At 04:32 PM 10/31/2003 +, Gary wrote: Oh, and BTW, I'm here, too. Perhaps I'll stay a while, depending on the tenor of the discussions. Oh, good. John and I will sing bass! Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [PMX:#] [ZION] the Need for Speed
Chet, I was strongly impressed by Elder Faust's talk on Saturday afternoon. It was followed by Elder Packer. The two together were a real pair of zingers. I see the text isn't on-line yet, but should be soon. ELF At 01:14 AM 10/9/2003 +, you wrote: It's Wednesday night at 9 pm and the phone rings. (You already know what's coming, don't you?) The bishopric (of our newest ward in Marysville, Michigan) just asked us to give talks on Sunday. Oh, and for Cherie to teach the Gossip Doctrine class. The topic(s)? (Of the talks, not of the GD class!) Either something we learned in General Conference, one of the talks, or on the process of listening and learning from our prophets, seers, revelators, and just plain good ol' folks who spoke to us from that old tree stump that became a podium. So we're sifting through our notes (when we really should be asleep, since we have an early morning tomorrow) and thought we'd ask some of the most Gospel-Wise people we know what they might do after a similar call. To tell the truth, I think this request may be a bit of inspiration. I think I'm supposed to share something I'll hear from one of you. Thanks - in advance - to anyone who is willing to share. Cherie I each wish we could be with each of you in person, having a wonderful time talking about this super conference we experienced last weekend. *jeep! ~~Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. Gus Segar via Popeye The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [PMX:#] [ZION] the Need for Speed
Maybe it was just Elder Packer's. Oh, the joys of aging! Till the muddled At 01:14 AM 10/9/2003 +, you wrote: It's Wednesday night at 9 pm and the phone rings. (You already know what's coming, don't you?) The bishopric (of our newest ward in Marysville, Michigan) just asked us to give talks on Sunday. Oh, and for Cherie to teach the Gossip Doctrine class. The topic(s)? (Of the talks, not of the GD class!) Either something we learned in General Conference, one of the talks, or on the process of listening and learning from our prophets, seers, revelators, and just plain good ol' folks who spoke to us from that old tree stump that became a podium. So we're sifting through our notes (when we really should be asleep, since we have an early morning tomorrow) and thought we'd ask some of the most Gospel-Wise people we know what they might do after a similar call. To tell the truth, I think this request may be a bit of inspiration. I think I'm supposed to share something I'll hear from one of you. Thanks - in advance - to anyone who is willing to share. Cherie I each wish we could be with each of you in person, having a wonderful time talking about this super conference we experienced last weekend. *jeep! ~~Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. Gus Segar via Popeye The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [PMX:#] [ZION] the Need for Speed
At 07:33 AM 10/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: Maybe it was just Elder Packer's. Oh, the joys of aging! Till the muddled OK, I just played the video feed. It was Elder Packer, followed by Elder Hales. Those were the two. Strong, clear testimonies for our day. Till the penitent At 01:14 AM 10/9/2003 +, you wrote: It's Wednesday night at 9 pm and the phone rings. (You already know what's coming, don't you?) The bishopric (of our newest ward in Marysville, Michigan) just asked us to give talks on Sunday. Oh, and for Cherie to teach the Gossip Doctrine class. The topic(s)? (Of the talks, not of the GD class!) Either something we learned in General Conference, one of the talks, or on the process of listening and learning from our prophets, seers, revelators, and just plain good ol' folks who spoke to us from that old tree stump that became a podium. So we're sifting through our notes (when we really should be asleep, since we have an early morning tomorrow) and thought we'd ask some of the most Gospel-Wise people we know what they might do after a similar call. To tell the truth, I think this request may be a bit of inspiration. I think I'm supposed to share something I'll hear from one of you. Thanks - in advance - to anyone who is willing to share. Cherie I each wish we could be with each of you in person, having a wonderful time talking about this super conference we experienced last weekend. *jeep! ~~Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. Gus Segar via Popeye The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thought for the day
At 09:38 AM 9/22/2003 -0500, the amazing Heidi the Fair wrote: Works for me! Especially if it's Dove or Lindt chocolate! By the way, Job...aren't you in North Carolina? If so, did you sustain any damage from Isabel? Heidi is now in correspondence with a real hero. Shall we all sit and give him comfort? Just picking, Heidi 8)) I hope Jon faired better temporally than his typo-namesake. May we all fare as well as he in other matters, however. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thought for the day
At 08:50 AM 9/22/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 08:44 AM 9/22/2003, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works for me! Especially if it's Dove or Lindt chocolate! My favorite is Cadbury Royal Dark. In fact, I like them so much that I just bought 15 bars and a Rubbermaid container to keep them in. They sell them here in Juneau; but when I get back to Ketchikan, I won't have access to them. --JWR What are you doing in Juneau? Does Till sense that maybe the BLT has become a politician, maybe sitting in the State Senate? Building a base to run for President? What say, gov'ner? Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thought for the day
At 09:58 AM 9/22/2003 -0500, Hei..y the Fair wrote: Hey, it's Monday...it's rainy...I didn't use my spellchecker... :-) Heidi (who almost just typo'ed her own name!) We're afraid to ask, so don't tell. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class
John (BLT) and I once attended a presentation on Paul's Views on Women given by none other than our own (AWOL) Tom Valetta. Tom has now been released as Mission President and should be back available for comment. John?? It was a great presentation. IIRC, he maintained that it was Greek influence that has degraded their societal position even into our own times. But it would be much better to hear it from Tom. Till At 08:47 AM 9/10/2003 -0600, Sir George wrote: I do not think that the scriptures bear that out at all, rather the opposite. I will admit, readilly, that the social customs of that time are different from those of our time. And it may be that a superficial look at the practices may make them look unacceptable to us today. But when we take time to truly understand their situation we would find the kind of relationship that would warrent the comparison with our desired relationship with Christ. George - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:36 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, before you go through a tirade like that you really ought to Well, I've looked at the subject and from what I have read about the Jews they treated their woman like second class citizens. Don't the scriptures bear that out? I've read a lot of material about the Egyptians and they treated their woman descent with a lot more rights then the Jews ever gave their woman. The ancient Jews were a cruel people, IMNSHO. What does Tag have to say? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Help needed for a quotation
At 06:16 PM 9/8/2003 -0600,St Steven wrote: Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and greater division of the righteous from the wicked. That the righteous will get more righteous and the wicked more wicked, or words to that effect. There must be someone here will have that at their fingertips grin. I, too, remembered that one, but had not been able to remember when. I just did a search and have come up with the following from the April 1983 Conference, Elder Dean L. Larson. It is pretty much as I remembered hearing it. They are wise words with which I have tried to guide my life since then. As he says, it's not always easy. I often see the Saints following a few steps behind (myself included, embarrassed to say). begin quote The challenging conditions we find in the world today should be no surprise to us. As we approach the time of the Saviors return, wickedness will increase. There will be more temptations in our daily lives, and they will become more intense. It will become more acceptable in the world to break the laws of God or to disregard them altogether. The stigma attached to immoral, dishonest behavior will disappear. In this difficult environment we will be expected to steer our own course in an upward direction. As President Kimball has warned us, it will neither be acceptable nor safe to remain on the plateaus where our present conduct has kept us. Abrupt downward forces, represented by increasing wickedness in the world, can only be offset by forces that move correspondingly upward. Our lives must be better than they have ever been before. This simply means that we will become increasingly different from those around us whose lives follow the worlds way. It is not easy to be different. There are intense pressures that work against us. But we must clearly understand that it is not safe to move in the same direction the world is moving, even though we remain slightly behind the pace they set. Such a course will eventually lead us to the same problems and heartaches. It will not permit us to perform the work the Lord has chosen us to do. It would disqualify us from his blessing and his protecting care. The Lord has said that the time will come when there will be an entire separation of the righteous and the wicked.(HTTP://Scriptures.lds.org/dc/63/54#54DC 63:54.) Nephi, in the Book of Mormon, said, For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy.(HTTP://Scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/30/10#102 Ne. 30:10.) As we consider these promises, we should not forget the warning given by the Lord to the Latter-day Saints. Nevertheless, Zion shall escape if she observe to do all things whatsoever I have commanded her. end quote Till -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Help needed for a quotation
At 07:26 AM 9/9/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 05:45 AM 9/9/2003, you wrote: At 06:16 PM 9/8/2003 -0600,St Steven wrote: Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and greater division of the righteous from the wicked. That the righteous will get more righteous and the wicked more wicked, or words to that effect. There must be someone here will have that at their fingertips grin. I, too, remembered that one, but had not been able to remember when. I just did a search and have come up with the following from the April 1983 Conference, Elder Dean L. Larson. It is pretty much as I remembered hearing it. They are wise words with which I have tried to guide my life since then. As he says, it's not always easy. I often see the Saints following a few steps behind (myself included, embarrassed to say). begin quote quote deleted, only for brevity Thanks, but John provided the quote I was searching for: The General Conference address that comes to mind is I Testify by President Ezra Taft Benson who said in October 1988 conference: I testify that as the forces of evil increase under Lucifer's leadership and as the forces of good increase under the leadership of Jesus Christ, there will be growing battles between the two until the final confrontation. As the issues become clearer and more obvious, all mankind will eventually be required to align themselves either for the kingdom of God or for the kingdom of the devil. As these conflicts rage, either secretly or openly, the righteous will be tested. God's wrath will soon shake the nations of the earth and will be poured out on the wicked without measure. (See JS-H 1:45; DC 1:9.) But God will provide strength for the righteous and the means of escape; and eventually and finally truth will triumph. (See 1 Ne. 22:15-23.) That's OK. I've been wanting to find that other quote anyway. It's also a keeper. I've referred to it a number of times without having the exact citation. Amazing how consistent the words of the prophets are. Pres ETB doesn't mince any words here, does he? I see that alignment starting to take place. The day of the fence sitter is nearly gone. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
Don't overlook the symbolism of the well of living water, the water of life, and the water of rebirth. Also, IIRC, the use of water was a practical solution to a societal problem, referenced in the Doctrine and Covenants. Till At 01:13 PM 9/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: The overwhelming majority of the liquid content of blood is water and, for that matter, the same goes with grapejuice. When you think of it that way, it works. Tom Stacy Smith wrote: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper symbolism represented with water. I'm not criticizing our use of water but only trying to understand. Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The September Six Today
At 07:08 AM 8/20/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 07:44 PM 8/19/2003, Jon wrote: What I find interesting is that of those whose works I have read, I found only Gileadi to be inspired, long before I knew that he had been ex'ed. My understanding of Isaiah expanded tremendously when I read his first book (well, the first one of his that I read). The others left me cold. Isn't it interesting that it was he and he alone who humbled himself. Jon Avraham Gileadi's best and most inspired book, in my opinion, was, _The Book of Isaiah: A New Translation with Interpretative Keys from the Book of Mormon_. But more specifically, the 93 page introduction where one is introduced to the various interpretative keys. Whatever Gileadi's past mistakes might have been, I too am impressed by his humility. I, too, have the utmost respect for Brother Gileadi's insights into such an important work as Isaiah. I refuse to go the route of speculating. By his works I will know him. The others that were talked about gave me feelings of having pushed my hand into a warm bucket of 3 month old milk. ELF // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon
At 08:58 PM 8/11/2003 -0400, Grampa Bill wrote: Paul Osborne wrote: I'm brutally honest just like JR is but with less tact. Grampa Bill asks: Less tact than JR? Hard to believe! :-) Till says: Hard to conceive! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Mars
At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other words, Is Mars playing the role of the great usurper--challenging Christ (The Planet Venus) for supremacy. Mars rules the night (symbolic itself of Satan and his darkness) but never quite attains the brightness of the planet Venus. Is Mars symbolic of Satan when he appeared to Moses, appearing as an angel of light but because Satan's light was more or less that of darkness (Moses 1: 13-14) Moses was able to detect Satan as the deceiver and usurper that he was? It is interesting, is it not, that Venus stands as a bridge between the night and the day. Seems like a beautiful piece of symbolism to this old codger. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Mars
At 05:59 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 05:24 AM 7/31/2003, you wrote: At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other words, Is Mars playing the role of the great usurper--challenging Christ (The Planet Venus) for supremacy. Mars rules the night (symbolic itself of Satan and his darkness) but never quite attains the brightness of the planet Venus. Is Mars symbolic of Satan when he appeared to Moses, appearing as an angel of light but because Satan's light was more or less that of darkness (Moses 1: 13-14) Moses was able to detect Satan as the deceiver and usurper that he was? It is interesting, is it not, that Venus stands as a bridge between the night and the day. Seems like a beautiful piece of symbolism to this old codger. Till Hmmm. I like that term bridge. Yes, I chose the term carefully. Christ does, in fact, serve as a bridge for us between darkness and light. It is only through him that we are able to cross the gulf. BTW, I saw Mars a couple mornings ago, just before you posted this original, and it was pretty impressive. (it's pretty impressive, actually, when we can see the sky through the clouds, but that's a story for another day) Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Mars
At 11:06 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, you wrote: At 09:03 AM 7/31/2003, Till wrote: Yes, I chose the term carefully. Christ does, in fact, serve as a bridge for us between darkness and light. It is only through him that we are able to cross the gulf. BTW, I saw Mars a couple mornings ago, just before you posted this original, and it was pretty impressive. (it's pretty impressive, actually, when we can see the sky through the clouds, but that's a story for another day) Till Even more impressive when you live at 5800 feet altitude in a relatively rural area grin. Here in Enoch the night sky never ceases to amaze me. Only 1550' here, but VERY rural. When the clouds are gone, the sky is always impressive. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
At 07:52 AM 7/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT: I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-) Grampa Bill comments: But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you. Yes, yes, and his floor is so covered with electrons from all the back e-mail that he can hardly crawl through them without drowning. Actually, his mother just had an emergency valve replacement and triple by-pass Monday. She has been getting more and more frail lately. Guess that's why. She was up and moving around a little and sounding in pretty good spirits last night. I'm making (yet another) pilgrimage to Rochester tonight to see her. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can list have been tested so will you. How can you expect to be in the presence of such men and women unless you have a similar heritage of proving yourself? Ouch Till tends to not like to dwell on that one. Till the wienie // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can list have been tested so will you. How can you expect to be in the presence of such men and women unless you have a similar heritage of proving yourself? Ouch! Till tends not to dwell on that one. Till the wienie // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: What would such a test consist of? Physical endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? Till suspects that those what has them would rather not tell them. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...
At 09:22 PM 7/13/2003 -0800, BLT wrote: Still, the only thing that keeps me going is the fact that it won't last forever. Death will bring some relief when it finally comes. All I have to do is endure to the end. Relief from what, John?Us We're here to take care of eachother. I well know how bleak things look from inside a depression, but all in all, Till would say that we have a lot going for us. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
[ZION] Pres Kimball
Every week, in my letter to my missionary, I try to include what I regard to be a significant conference talk. This week I revisited Pres Kimball's address to the priesthood in Nov 1978. I remember listening to that talk, in the days before we had any video feed, late at night and fading in and out of consciousness. I had worked in the woods all day cutting wood, and by 09 PM, when PH meeting started, I was about comatose**. I started out in the chapel, but eventually moved to the comfy chairs in the lobby. By the time Pres Kimball gave this famous address, I was laid out flat on the floor in the lobby, barely able to hang on. But his words sunk deep. I have not hunted since that time, although I would if it were necessary for food. Killing and harming has had no pleasure, no thrill after hearing what he had to say. I guess what I'm getting to is that even though I was almost past consciousness, the words of the prophets sank deep into my heart, as no arrow could. I am so glad to have the prophets to guide us and direct us. If we could all listen to the words they say and heed them all the time, what power would be in this church! Till ** I always like to think it was me that night that got the PH meeting time changed 8)) such vain creatures we are begin quoted material Fundamental Principles to Ponder and Live President Spencer W. Kimball It is a great joy to greet the priesthood of the Church this glorious night. All over the world we gather to worship the Lord and give him praise. My brothers in the priesthood, it was a great thrill recently to have tens of thousands of the sisters of the Church assemble in hundreds of places around the world in a special meeting for the women of the Church. You will have had your own reports from your wives and sisters, mothers, and daughters about the meeting. We feel gratified that we were able to hold the meeting and that technology made it possible. We love the women of the Church! We have great respect for them. In following up on that event, I want to counsel you as sons, brothers, fathers, and husbands. As you serve with the women of the Church, follow what Paul said when he urged Timothy to intreat the elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity(HTTP://Scriptures.lds.org/1_tim/5/1-2#11 Tim. 5:1-2). We men of the priesthood ought to so do. We must be different than other men, and I am sure most priesthood holders are. Pauls suggestion that we treat older women as if they were our mothers and younger women as if they were our sisters and to do so with all purityis excellent instruction. Men of the world may disregard women or see them only as objects of desire or as someone to be used for selfish purposes. Let us, however, be different in our conduct and in our relationships with women. Peter urged us to give honor unto our wives. (See HTTP://Scriptures.lds.org/1_pet/3/7#71 Pet. 3:7.) It seems to me we should be even more courteous to our wives and mothers, our sisters and our daughters, than we are to others. When Paul said that a man who did not provide for his own and those of his own household was worse than an infidel(HTTP://Scriptures.lds.org/1_tim/5/8#81 Tim. 5:8), I like to think of providing for our own as including providing them with affectional security as well as economic security. When the Lord told us in this dispensation that women have claim on their husbands for their maintenance(HTTP://Scriptures.lds.org/dc/83/2#2DC 83:2), I like to think of maintenance as including our obligation to maintain loving affection and to provide consideration and thoughtfulness as well as food. President Lee once observed that the needyaround us may need friendship and fellowship as well as food. I sometimes think our own Latter-day Saint women are needyjust because some of us are not as thoughtful and considerate of them as we should be. Our pantries can be filled with food and yet our sisters can be starved for affection and recognition. Let us, brethren, support the sisters of our household in their Church callings as they so wonderfully support us. Let us not neglect them simply because they sometimes go on being good even when they are neglected. Let our homes be filled with praise and commendation for all those of our household. Let us also, brethren, not get so concerned with our priesthood peers, those men we are associated with in our church assignments, that we neglect our eternal companions, for our association with our wives will be forever. Our Father in Heaven was gracious enough to give to us for our pleasure and convenience all life on earth. Let me read to you from his personal statement: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the
Re: [ZION] hand shakes
At 10:05 AM 6/24/2003 -0600, Uncle Ronn wrote: I'm beginning to think that perhaps people should be exposed to as many germs as possible, starting with early childhood. That way the body can build up its immune system and develop resistance to as many germs and viruses as possible. For example, I exposed my children to chickenpox when they were young (and at the best age to handle such a disease, as opposed to when they are middle aged or older and have more severe complications) and they have never had any problems since. This is what my immunologist friends tell me. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [PMX:#] RE: [ZION] Test
At 16:35 6/2/2003 +, St Larry wrote: Till: That plane wouldn't have been Air France would it? ___ No, but I can't tell you who it was, sorry. I remember almost 40 years ago watching planes touch down at the Montreal airport and all the Air France birds would come bouncing in just like you described. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [PMX:#] RE: [ZION] Test
At 10:14 5/31/2003 -0500, Sir Larry wrote: No bounce at this end. You message landed with a solid thud. But, not to waste a perfectly good email: Many years ago at an international airport, I was in an airplane behind a British Airways airliner. We were both waiting for an airliner from another country to land before we were to depart. The other plane came in, hit solidly on the painted numbers at the end of the runway, and bounced several feet back up into the air. The second time he hit the runway it was nearly as hard, and he bounced again. The third time, with some wing wobbling, the plane finally settled down and the pilot slowed to safely taxi off the runway. Before the tower could clear the next plane for takeoff, a distinctly British voice came on the air and said, Well, that's one way of doing it. That plane wouldn't have been Air France would it? Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] I'm all shook up.
At 11:42 5/27/2003 -0400, St Jon wrote: Larry Jackson wrote: My earthquake story isn't nearly as exciting, sorry. I actually have several other exciting earthquake stories (in a car with transformers power blowing up around me and power lines dropping, in a house on a cliff overlooking the ocean, etc.) , but you'll just have to buy the book. Yeah, we have to buy the book to see whether or not Jon lived! 8)) Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Moral War
At 10:56 1/23/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Fundamental principle: Self-defense is OK. Everything else is unlawful. 1) We defend ourselves even if it means shedding blood. 2) We never give offense. 3) We never fight except to preserve our lives. 4) We only fight when God commands us to fight. I don't have the reference handy here, but there is somewhat in the DC? about Abraham's rules of engagement. I think these should be added to this list (or at least the list corrected to include them). I won't comment on current state of affairs as it's principles that are being discussed first. Till who adjusted the flint in his musket last night // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: Fwd: Re: [ZION] Notice from Listowner
At 09:03 12/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 09:01 12/23/2002 -0500, Till tested: St Stacy queried: How do we forward replies over there? I'm testing this right now. It should be to cut and paste [EMAIL PROTECTED] into the To: field. If you don't get this message, let me know! I've gotten it back via smartgroups, I'm still watiing for the topica to come back. OK, got it back through both venues. Just do the cut and paste like I suggested until the traffic switches over. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Subject to natural law
At 20:41 12/19/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: Paul Osborne wrote: --- Not so. When God lays his hands upon my head and ordains me God Almighty there will be nothing that I don't know. The learning process will have ended. --- Yes, and I certainly hope you will have completed your home*[teaching]*work by then! Till who inserted his editorial above 8)) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Where do old hippies go?
At 13:50 12/19/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: I thought this one was good for a chuckle... http://www.globeandmail.ca/series/cartoon/19thuedcar.html Sad but true. I think Ithaca is like the elephant graveyard for these folks. Somebody once remarked about witnessing the death of a counter-culture, but it still seems to be wheezing. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Dr Red Green was right all along
At 22:02 12/19/2002 -0500, Princess Val queried: OK--my question--how DOES the duct tape work on a wart? Very well, thank you. Actually, warts are aerobic viruses, I'm told, and need oxygen to thrive. Duct tape would effectively snufficate the little boogers, I suppose. Till the ever helpful // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Natural Law
At 00:50 12/20/2002 -0900, the venerable BLT wrote: There is a law which God must obey, one that is above him. Call it natural law or anything else you like. Because mankind is at an infantile stage of development compared with God, we probably don't even know what the laws are by which God came to be God. But we may be sure that they exist. Well said, John. Exactly the way I feel about it. I have all I can do to keep up with the puny laws we have. Like J Golden, I may not walk the straight and narrow, but I try to cross it as often as I can. Till the there is no end to priesthood, there is no end to love // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21
At 02:05 12/19/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: Probably so. I would weep for your pitiful, ignorant state, but you're above my visual range. Hey wait, those are my lines. John, Stephen's stealing my schtick. Can't you make him play nice? Till the crushed // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] World's Tallest Buildings
At 17:30 12/18/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: I think it is hubris to imagine we should build towers still taller than the WTC. Sure they can build them, but the experience with the WTC proves that someone else can knock them down. What is the point? Why make buildings a tempting target unnecessarily? I should think that the builders of the WTC would have learned their lesson. Super tall building are not a good idea. It was super great fun when we were little tykes, building those tall towers out of blocks and then knocking them down. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] No biological basis for race
At 14:45 12/17/2002 -0700, M Marc St Stephan wrote: to play the fool. Stephen Play the fool is not a scientific concept either ;-) Hey, wait, that's my part! You'se guys can't be stealing my part ... Till who even got a new costume for the next show // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Re: New guy
At 14:54 12/16/2002 -0700, Gib Egroeg wrote: George has to be better looking, because Jim is definitely smarter. But to tell you the truth if you have seen one Cobabe you will recognize the rest. Just happy to be here and living off what I suspect is the good name of good o'cousin Jim. Well, some of us are happy to have you aboard Till the benevolent Elmer L. Fairbank N2OKConsultant/Advisor Molecular Biology GeneticsCornell University G63 Biotech Bldg607-255-2147 check out my web page: http://elf.mbg.cornell.edu // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles
At 03:14 12/17/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote: I was zipping along a Missouri road back in 1975 and fell off my motorcycle. Luckily, my fall was broken by my face on the pavement or I could've hurt myself. So it's not motorcycles which are dangerous. It's roads. Or faces. Even Till has taken a tumble once, from a Norton. There was this rock in the road which he smuck amidships at 60. The rest is subject to some pretty vivid imagining. HE thinks rocks are dangerous (not to mention young men) Till the twisted // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] New guy
At 21:16 12/16/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote: I've only been here a couple years and they haven't thrown me out yet. grin Notice carefully the yet 8)) Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] New guy
At 17:53 12/17/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote: You proceed from a false assumption. A football doesn't HAVE feathers. Certainly not in the same respect that horses and gophers do. Till who used to hate gopher feathers in his orange juice when he was a little tyke // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles
At 21:09 12/13/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote: Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: Chet, my friend, that's And little lambs eat ivy, a kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you? Till the very helpful Evidently you can remember Gallegher Sheen easier than I. (No, not Sledge-O-Matic Gallegher and Martin--Chuckles Sheen!) Naw, just Spike Let me kiss your hand madame, 'cause I can't stand your breath Jones Till the ancient // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles
At 11:56 12/16/2002 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote: But I'll have to assume, on your say so, that the list thinks that motorcycles are the embodiment of evil and I should sell mine and use the proceeds to purchase one of the inevitable classic collector's leather embossed box sets of LOTR movie DVD's for each member in my stake when they become available. No, no keep the bike, just don't grease your hair and get a misshapen eagle on your forearm. Motorcycles are kewl. Have to admit though, they're not so great right about this time of year. Till, who doesn't live in your stake anyway (now that might be a different issue) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles
At 19:12 12/12/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote: Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: Sure blame it on the buttered cat .. gloating goats and glazed groats and grazed oats indeed! And little lambs eat ivy. A-deedle-dee-aiydee-doo, wouldn't you? Chet, my friend, that's And little lambs eat ivy, a kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you? Till the very helpful // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin
At 10:58 12/13/2002 -0500, St Jon wrote: I watched a very learned Lutheran schoolar explain this entire subject (the Trinity) on TV once, and I felt inclined to write to the school that gave him his doctor of divinity degree and advise them to retract it. It was pure, illogical gibberish, with many hidden (and unproven) assumptions. To me it is a mass of confusion. Till the ever helpful // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles
At 07:03 12/12/2002 +, Sir Chet wrote: This accident you describe sounds worse though. How's that again? He rode his motorcycle down the stairs and accelerated his fall? I think he said he was chasing his tail on the steps and tripped over the motorcycle, accelerating his downfall. Till the falling asleep // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles
At 12:24 12/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: You guys have it all WRONG! I sliped and fell down some stairs, injuring my butt so that I can not ride my newly aquired Motorcycle. My complaint is that I can't ride the thing. I sometimes go out into the garage just to gaze longingly at it. I tried riding it a week and a half ago and it REALLY HURT. Made my butt more sore again too! I have now had the motorcylce over a month and still can't ride it!! OK, let's try again You were sipping on the wrong stuff when Bishop Newly showed up on the stairs, presently your countenance fell when he asked you to complain about your tithing and now you're sore afraid that you can't get that motorcycle you've been dreaming of plus now you're too weak, and half minded to hurt the garbage man when he gazes longingly at you . Did we get it this time??? You're right, this DOES hurt Have we ridden this to death yet? Oh, my aching . Till the ever helpful // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles
At 10:30 12/12/2002 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote: Wow ELF, you really have it mixed up this time. Scott dripped some butter on his stairs while longing to get over his grudge against mountain goats grazing against two sure things. Sure blame it on the buttered cat .. gloating goats and glazed groats and grazed oats indeed! Till the beflumoxeder // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: The Two Towers Anticipation (was Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems
At 00:28 12/11/2002 +0800, Bishop Mark wrote: 3.) When all three movies are completed, the opus will considered one of the greatest cinematic achievements of all time. It will be a standard against which all other directors' works will be judged. Maybe no one will ever attempt anything like it again. It will be considered a wonderful work of art that has substantially increased the value of the great body of work done over time. It will be canonical. The complete set of the extended versions will be a must have and no other series of movies will come close to the total movie experience. Not even the first three Star Wars movies. I find myself wishing that the Hobbit had been treated as a serious endeavor at the same time. As with the books, the trilogy really needs its little introduction, to me it is an integral part of the work as a whole. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?
At 21:44 12/8/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: feeds Jonah Greenberg to the caribou, Does PETA know about this? Are they just sitting still over it? Till the helpful // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?
At 11:11 12/9/2002 -0400, M Scott wrote: On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:41:17 -0700, Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think it's just been quiet. Everyone's still digesting turkey and cranberry sauce. It's that cranberry sauce. Nasty stuff! It will poison you! Jo is the only one at our house who eats it, and she got pretty sick the next day so that proves that cranberry sauce is evil! No doubt half the members of the list who ate the evil stuff are barely hanging on to life by a thread and thus can't post. Till ate some and he's still ticking just fine. Till the animal // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?
At 11:23 12/9/2002 -0400, M Scott wrote: On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 07:23:27 -0500, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 21:44 12/8/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: feeds Jonah Greenberg to the caribou, Does PETA know about this? Are they just sitting still over it? Till, Aren't stills illegal? Do the ATF people know about this? (After all, it involves alchohol and firearms, and someone may smoke so there is tobacco too!) Hey, maybe the still is just to make alchohol for fuel for the black helicopters! It's the by-product of the yeast in the manufacture of Pita bread! Till the notsohelpful // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] True Christians
At 08:37 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT scares us all: --- Mark Gregson --- Joseph Smith had the vision in 1836 in the Kirtland temple. In the vision he saw his father, mother and Alvin in the celestial kingdom. However, his father and mother were still alive when Joseph Smith had the vision. Therefore, the vision was of the future, after Alvin's temple work would have been completed. No one enters the Celestial Kingdom without baptism if they die after reaching the age of accountability. In my view, Mark is right. And Gary is still determined to avoid that fact that hell, whatever that means, is going to be a crowded place since few will find the narrow way that leads to life. Oh, man, I HATE crowds. Guess I'd better get busy. Till the scurrying // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] True Christians
At 09:49 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wondered : For years we referred to those outside the Church as gentiles. Then that word wasn't good enough, so we stated saying nonmember. Even that term is considered too politically incorrect. So what do we call them today? Lost Till the ever helpful // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Teaching Correct Principle
At 09:13 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: Yet almost every true idea, principle, philosophy or behavior indicts someone. They take it personal. They falsely assume that you are targeting them or a loved one when all you are trying to do is teach the correct principle. I wish others could do as well as I do in making the distinction between teaching correct principle and finger pointing. I guess it just takes more intelligence than most people possess. John, I know what you are saying and agree in principle, but please read this carefully and see if the phrase puffed up with their own fill in the blank in the last two sentences doesn't jump out at you? Signaturus rhetoric! Do you really feel that way? Till the hiding under the carpet now // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Paul's dad
At 22:12 11/28/2002 -0500, St Jon wrote: Did I read this correctly? Did you say that denying yourself the blessings of the temple IS the way to face problems? No, you're supposed to read what I MEANT, not what I wrote. Till the getting confuseder // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Saving My Head
At 20:47 12/2/2002 -0900, you wrote: John, I think your clock is 12 hours ahead of you. Sure messes up my sorting! Till the fussbudget // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] A question: meaning of ally
At 18:49 11/26/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: But first I'd like to hear from USAmericans. Why the big deal? Till has yet to figure it out. Spoke the truth as she saw it. Can't fault a person for that. I overhear a lot of sillier things in the course of every day living. So what? Till the confusticated // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Paul's dad
At 19:53 11/26/2002 -0800, St Stace wrote: I suggest you make arrangements to attend the temple as soon as possible. Denying yourself the blessings of the temple is not the way to face these dire events. Yes, in fact, it IS the way to face them. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot
At 04:10 11/27/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: Another article worrying about Canadian political insults. http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=%7BAFC42C56-BB5F-457B-AEAF-5D58F21AB39C%7D; Those Canadian political officials can't seem to keep their lips buttoned. Sounds to me more like they need the services of a good bootmaker. One who can discern subtleties of fit that the rest of us might miss. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte
At 20:18 11/26/2002 -0800, St Stace wrote: Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this information need to come out? It's a standard question in the temple recommend interview, if there are any past misdeeds that have not been properly resolved through the priesthood authority. It will have to be dealt with eventually. To answer your original question, if you have to ask the question to begin with, then probably you, personally, should not. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] The Royal flush beats all others
At 12:51 11/27/2002 -0400, you wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:57:54 -0700, Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have to say, I'm not sure there are 4 Imp gals / 5 US gals in there -- it looks more like 3 Imp gals to me, but I'm just estimating. Hmm, you could always shut of the water, flush to empty the tank and then pour in water to see how much it holds. Oh, Till has a great idea! Open the pipe at the bottom, drain it all out on the floor, then mop it up and see how much water is in the mop bucket. Good idea, no? Till the ever helpful // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Just how can we serve?
Just got back from lunch and there was this half-frozen coed standing in a snow squall with all her luggage at a bus stop, sobbing her eyes out. I asked her if she was OK (duh, you have to have some kind of opener), and through a series of very pointed questions (she was too upset to offer info) found that she probably had missed her ride to Baltimore ( a ride, not a bus, just a convenient location, plus she didn't have any way to get hold of the people giving her the ride to find out if they were late or had already left). I gave her my name and number and told her if she got stuck here to call and she could join us for dinner tomorrow rather than sit alone and miserable*. I then got her to call her parents and tell them her plight. Then my bus came and I was gone. Should I have done more? Is there more we can do for complete strangers. If it were my daughter I would hope someone would have compassion on her.** Did I overstep my bounds as a stranger in pushing the conversation? Should I have offered her a ride to Baltimore, a 10-12 hour round trip? The poor thing made my heart melt watching her anguish. Her tears were freezing to her cheeks, for heavens sakes. Till the getting too complicated for his feeble little brain * I also made sure she had a place to go home to tonight, that is, wasn't locked/shut out from her usual quarters and sleeping in the street) ** My daughter called me from the Atlanta airport this summer in a similar state. She was tired, sick and hungry, coming back from Brazil, had lost her passport and boarding pass and had no one to pick her up in Salt Lake if/when she did get there. I gave her a strategy, which she followed and it all worked out. I was almost ready to call my good friend Scott McGee, though. Had I heard from her again while still in Atlanta (with bad news, that is) I would have. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Just how can we serve?
At 11:29 11/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: Till favored us with: Should I have done more? Is there more we can do for complete strangers. Till, I think you did a terrific job. Unfortunately, in our society, genuine offers of help can be and often are misconstrued. I say pray to the Father and follow the promptings of the Spirit, and you'll do accomplish what is expected. Yeah, I know I probably did all I could, but when I left her she was still sobbing and still didn't know what she was going to do. If I were her Dad, I would have said to wait 30 more minutes and call back. By then I would have had my stuff in the car for a trip to Ithaca and been on the road immediately. My only hope is that if she doesn't get home, she will regard my offer as genuine, and call. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] No Redelfs citing?
At 17:17 11/22/2002 -0600, Grrryrryyy wrote: Aaaa. So it starts (he said as he wiped his face off with a piece of whole wheat bread). Since it is my list (and John isn't around to regulate the living room), I not only get to start it, but I'll try and finish it, also. Gary pushes a button, and suddenly a cream pie drops from the ceiling onto Till's head. I hope you like lemon Hah, you just inadvertently sat in a platter full of week old melted death by chocolate ice cream that I slid onto your chair behind you. Oh, don't those white pants look great! Careful not to splash Pauly when you shake off. Stacy, let me freshen up your carrot juice, I know how you crave your veggies .. oops, sorry about that, didn't mean to spill it in your lap, I must have slipped on some merengue .. Till, smiling contentedly whilst licking lemon cream from his whiskers (next time don't forget the whipped cream! some people just don't have a sense of class) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Science dissonance
At 22:30 11/22/2002 -0500, St Jon wrote: No. It is known as survival of the FIT - a very big difference. It is not just the fittest that survive. It is those who meet or exceed the minimum requirements. The fittest against one threat may not be able to survive the next threat, whereas the barely able to survive the first threat may be the best at surviving the next. I thought it was survival of the FATTEST! Till the crushed cause he spent so much time trying to survive // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
