Is a package preferred?

It seems like most of my Mac-based 4D databases are in a folder with the structure and datafile on the same level and where there might be a test data file in folder elsewhere. Yet, I have a few newly inherited Mac-based databases that are in packages. Regarding best practices, what approach do

Ergonomic 4D office...

I've got some unexplained back problems—severe pain over the last three days... I'm reminded that: I'm not 21 anymore, and that my office desk and chair are probably far from optimal. I'm sure that my injury has nothing to do with my motorcycle crash last year or my personal plumbing efforts las

MailJet

I’ve inherited a project that’s been setup to send email via MailJet. I’m having a problem where a newly defined CC email address will not be delivered via MailJet unless another test email address is specified as a CC as well. So, I have to ask, why might you use a service like MailJet when sen

When your Extreme router is too slow... (5N)

Sam, I upgraded my home/office to Gigabit internet today and quickly discovered that the WAN to LAN routing performance of my 5th generation Apple AirPort Extreme is lacking in a big way. I can get as high as 941 Mbps downstream directly connected to my SB-8200. When I go through AirPort Extre

4D Web Server Security

I have a Mac-based V13 database hosted at a professional data center where the Mac-mini is on the internet. What security precautions should I deploy, if any? I’d like to learn more about the vulnerabilities in this situation. What have you done to keep your web serving Mac safe? Thanks, Rober

DENIAL OF SERVICE ALERT—The Mcafee Problem

DENIAL OF SERVICE ALERT—The Mcafee Problem This Mac-based v13 database sends zipped Excel and PDF reports via email… yesterday, the Excel reports (1.3 MB Zipped) started to fail. The email is sent to the Windows user as expected but the attachment is replaced with a text file (1_Warning.txt), wi

Re: DENIAL OF SERVICE ALERT—The Mcafee Problem

The report that was received via the gmail account on a PC can be forwarded to me on a Mac intact. But when I send the zipped attachment to the PC, the denial of service message appears in place of the original attachment. Apparently the attachment does not fail when sent from PC to PC. It seems

Re: DENIAL OF SERVICE ALERT—The Mcafee Problem

Hi Ron, in our case Gmail works but the corporate mail server is rejecting the attachment. Thanks, Robert > On Apr 4, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Ronald Rosell wrote: > > Robert, > > You mentioned a Gmail account. Note that Gmail now treats any ZIP > attachments as “suspicious” and doesn’t deliver t

Re: 4D Summit 2018 Comments

My sentiments exactly, thanks Tim I really appreciate your Summit thoughts! Robert > On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Nice write up, Tim. Thanks! ** 4D Internet Users Group

Zip file with password...?

I have a v13-based Mac application that’s been happily zipping files for an email attachment for years. Now, I’d like to add a password (preferably) zero-length to prevent a certain mail server from trying to read this file. The current code (that I didn’t write) and that I believe is creating t

Re: Zip file with password...?

Right, I looked at that before posting. The docs talk about using the password only in the context of “extracting”. I will try to use that option although not sure where the password would be passed. Thanks, Robert > On Apr 9, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>

Re: v13 - Win 7 and LEP [solution/summary]

Keisuke is ridiculously smart! Robert > On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Thanks for everyone who tried to help > and special thanks to Keisuke! ** 4D Internet Users Grou

Re: Default Font ? 4D 15.4 & Windows 10

Hi Jim, I have the same problem. From what I understand Microsoft removed the font that was being referenced in a recent update to Windows 10. Do you know what font was deprecated? In a pinch could you add the font back to Windows? Thanks, Robert > On May 9, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Jim Medlen via 4

Re: Port 80 Security Scanning - e.g. Qualys

Randy, how about running a Pfsense firewall? You could run it bare metal or VM. However the network should already have these protections. Will you need a special version of MS word that has a built in firewall? No! Rob Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Randy Engle via 4D_Tec

4D Write licensing...

With a 10 user server, there is a small collection of letters that are used daily to print reports. Currently, this is done without 4D Write or 4D Write Pro. If these dozen or so letters were 4D Write documents, could they be printed by anyone without a license? For this small need it makes sens

Remote access to 4D Server.

I’ve got a new database in the requirements gathering stage that will require users to work with, mostly enter data, while at another location via WiFi connection. I suppose the could connect in one of the following ways: -vpn to office and use 4D client. -4D client over internet if th

Re: 4D Write licensing...

I appreciate your response; however, this does not answer my question. If I have one license and the 4D Write user is logged in and can edit 4D Write documents because he’s part of the proper group controlling plugin access... can a second user simultaneously print a pre-existing document withou

Re: 4D Write licensing...

Hi John, thanks for the feedback. Yes, If that’s the way it works. Then another option would be to have a print queue such that the 4D Write user is doing all the printing of these letters. However this is a bit messy. I’ll probably will continue to use the text fields currently in use by a leg

Application Metrics

I just learned that Facebook is getting rid of a few apps, partially based on low usage. So, in your 4D applications are you tracking usage levels of any kind? I suppose it would be useful to know what features are heavily used and which are almost never used. What metrics does your system colle

Re: Application Metrics

Thanks Dani, that’s very helpful. Rob Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Dani Beaubien > wrote: > > Hi Robert, since you are talking about usage patterns I suggest you approach > it from the actions that your user’s are performing. ***

Re: Application Metrics

Dani, how might the app be reporting this data back to the mothership? Imagine, 4D client server not a web app. Also, how would this help with feature requests...? Wouldn’t you need the feature available to the user before you could track it? Thanks, Rob Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2018

Re: Application Metrics

Tom, can you give us an idea what/how this data is tabulated and how it’s reported back to you? Thanks, Rob Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Benedict, Tom wrote: > > We don’t keep track of features used, but we do keep track of performance > metrics, mostly around system re

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

Great thread. Now, one of the difficulties with modern web development is that there are so many options and possibilities such that the best practices approach is unclear. Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 15, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > >

Who’s the Gestapo?

I tried to turn on a few young developers to 4D and suggested they join the list. They were never able to post. I take it the list is highly censored based on the feedback I’ve received. I didn’t know the bar was that high. So, who’s the gatekeeper...? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone *

How to protect JS Source Code?

One of the beauties of 4D is that the source code can be delivered in a compiled form which more than obfuscates the code. So, if you have a full JavaScript stack application running on the customers server, not merely hosted solution, how can the source code (mostly JS) be protected? Thanks,

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

Hello World! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2018, at 6:22 AM, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > and ... What did they post that got them blocked? > > On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 05:34, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com>

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

Hi David, Yes, I thought 4D was running the list too. Yes, I’m quite sure it’s not a technical glitch since I heard it from multiple users. Anyway, it doesn’t bother me but I thought 4D would want new developers to join in on the fun. Thanks for your contribution and yes all points duly noted.

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

Okay… let’s all take a deep breath. WOW! “Never able to post” means no post was ever visible on the NUG…. Yes, they tried more than once. No one from 4D declared anything, nor was that expected—those that censor typically do not inform those being restricted. Yes, assistance was requested. Yes,

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

Hi Julio, same here, the very first I’m hearing of it too! If you look at my original post, I simply say that “I take it [based on the circumstances] that the list is… censored” this was a surprise to me too. Yes, perhaps I used a few words that were too strong but sometimes that’s helpful to d

Re: How to protect JS Source Code?

This is a huge benefit for 4D—isn’t it nearly impossible to reverse-engineer a compiled 4D structure? I’m not a hacker but that’s been my assumption all these years. It’s boiled down to machine code and nearly impossible to figure out the source from the compiled app—yes? Thanks, Robert > On

Re: v17 ready for prime time?

Hi Steve, I’m about to use v17 on a new project. I’m confident that I can work through any teething issues with the support of 4D—they have always come through for me. Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2018, at 4:05 PM, steve simpson via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I s

Server Monitoring...

I just realized that a headless local server (that provides some low-demand network resources) has been unresponsive for about 7 days. Do you monitor your local (and not local) servers with special software? I’m mainly wanting to know if the are up or are responding to a ping or something. Not

Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

I saw that thread and thought I read it thoroughly, wasn’t that about remote access and administration of computers not on your local network? I’m looking to be notified that a server is no longer responding... a server that has crashed or is down or unreachable for some reason. Isn’t that a dif

Re: Server Monitoring...

Hi Lutz, That’s exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2018, at 5:12 AM, Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > NAGIOS works very well, all our servers are monitored by NAGIOS. And that by > simply monitoring the ht

Re: Server Monitoring...

Thanks Kirk, I’ll take a look. The one Lutz mentioned looks good too. I appreciate the feedback. Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:28 AM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Robert, > I've been using Alertra for several years now. *

Re: Server Monitoring...

I wanted this for an internal server but I now see where this can be useful for many nodes. Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Justin Will wrote: > > I have been using the freeware version of PRTG with great success for about a > decade now. It has saved my

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

Hi Tim, if anyone complains to me again I’m happy to share the information in this email with all of the relevant contact information. At the moment, I’m not so interested in getting any more involved with someone else’s NUG communication difficulties—I was just trying to help a newbie. Yet, I a

Re: ​RE: Server Monitoring...

Thanks Stephen—looks like another great solution. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:35 PM, steve simpson via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > https://uptimerobot.com/ > > Pretty robust; all kinds of triggers (IP, port, url, keyword, etc); easy to > configure. Up to 50 sit

Re: ​RE: Server Monitoring...

ert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Thanks Stephen—looks like another great solution. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:35 PM, steve simpson via 4D_Tech >> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: >> >> ht

4D Server as a Service

This morning, I received a call about a Windows server 2012 where 4D Server v15.6 was not running. Since it runs as a service it seems to normally survive reboots of the server when their IT guys are applying security patches to Windows Server and whatnot. I’ve managed the symptom by restarting

4D v11 on Windows Server 2016 (Win 10 Clients)

I have a new project that involves a v11-based system. A new system is in development but not ready for production, any possibility of running a v11 system on a new Server OS (Windows Server 2016) with Windows 10 clients? Thanks, Robert *

Re: 4D v11 on Windows Server 2016 (Win 10 Clients)

Apparently, the client did some testing in that regard, everything seemed to work except the printing from 4D failed. I’ll just keep them going on the old hardware until I’m ready to make the change to the new v17 version. Thanks, Robert > On Jul 26, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Charles Miller via 4D_Tec

Re: 4D v11 on Windows Server 2016 (Win 10 Clients)

Tim, you have an amazing memory. I imagine a 4D trivia game where you walk away with the biggest trophy—thanks! Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 26, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > This is a known issue. Trying to print with Windows 8 and later

Built Server—Best Practices...

I recently started to use built client/server more often since I inherited a client that was already doing that. I was told by another developer that when doing a structure change that I can simply swap the .4DC file and I’m done. 4D TS suggests that this is not wise and that I should probably u

Re: Built Server—Best Practices...

Thanked Kirk, Tim & Tim! :) This is what I thought you guys might say…. So, do you use the XML to do the build or the standard GUI? R > On Oct 16, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > The “Best Practice” is to do what 4D TS says **

Structure to TEXT files... GitHub

Can you explain how to export my entire source code as shown in this video by “4D Software”? I don’t seem to have this command in 4D v17R2 or 15.6. Export your structure file in multiple text files - YouTube > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQlO9bbKNJc&t=1s >

Re: Structure to TEXT files... GitHub

//blog.4d.com/text-files-from-your-structure-file/ > <https://blog.4d.com/text-files-from-your-structure-file/> Robert > On Oct 16, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Can you explain how to export my entire source code as sh

Re: Structure to TEXT files... GitHub

Hi Dani, yes, thanks for the reminder. I think I used your product once before. As I recall only methods are exported and that some resources that fully define the structure are not represented, do I have that right? It looks like v17R3 will export forms and all other resources. R Sent from

Re: Structure to TEXT files... GitHub

So, could this structure data not be used to create a new 4D database? Can it be imported back into 4D…? Thanks, Robert > On Oct 16, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > It's in v17 R3 > https://blog.4d.com/text-files-from-your-structure-file/ > <

Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?

I have an old v11 database running on Windows that’s not particularly well-designed and where there are more than a few subtables to deal with. Assuming that there is no additional budget for writing a new clean app, would you likely upgrade or re-write in v17 with the old v11 structure as guide

Re: Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?

Okay, I can’t find it now but someone said, "hey pop it into v17 and see if it works…" or something like that. Well, I did just that and without any changes it compiled (after toggling unicode on) and I created a built server and client and ran a few tests. Yes, as I recall, I did fix all of the

Re: Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?

Patrick or Dani, how might your tool help identify what needs to change? R Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 19, 2018, at 2:09 AM, Patrick Emanuel via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Some tools can help you like QS_Toolbox from me or CodeAnalysis from Dani > Beaubien for example, and th

Re: Application Metrics

Jody, how did your deployed app phone home? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > This information with the doctor information removed was sent to our central > server to accumulate. **

Re: Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?

Kirk, I think any mechanism that can export 4D code as text (plain text, JSON, XML, etc) can be used via GitHub to at least manage method changes. So, with the new v17r3 we have a native way to share the entire structure which will allow us to use version control. However, the limitations seem t

Icon & Picture Button Sources...

As I move some v11 projects to v17, the old picture buttons fail to work as expected since they were using a PICT image and since those file formats are no longer supported by 4D. So, were do you find modern pictures to use for your picture buttons? Optimally it would be great if these are alre

Re: Icon & Picture Button Sources...

As I recall, Tim Nevels mentioned a favorite picture button resource which has escaped me... Tim, can you refresh my memory...? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 22, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > So, were

Leaving the .4DB behind??

Will 4D be able to work directly from remote GitHub repositories and where the .4db is no more?? Sent from my iPhone ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/

Re: Leaving the .4DB behind??

But what if the structure was that collection of files and that 4D runs as it always does but the github version management is always in play without an export? What if the .4db is simply a package that didn’t have to be there? Just a thought. I think at a minimum, we will be one mouse-click fro

[OFF] Credit card payments...

I have a client with an overdue invoice…. They want to pay via CC but I normally don’t take credit cards. Do you take credit card payments…? My first thought its to use PayPal. Thanks, Robert ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNU

Re: Icon & Picture Button Sources...

Hi Tim thanks for the reminder. I recall liking your interface design. So, are you using the various button states where 4D has the ability to swap the images during different states such as “rollover”? If so, did you have to create two or three different versions of each icon for matrix of imag

Re: Icon & Picture Button Sources...

Stephen, are you photoshopping the other states manually creating the other button versions...? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 23, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Stephen J. Orth > wrote: > > If you want to create a multi-state button, which is what you are describing, > you simply crea

Re: Icon & Picture Button Sources...

Thanks Rudy and Stephen, you’ve given me some things to consider. It’s been a long time since I’ve customized buttons. Back in 1994 I used photoshop to create some custom buttons but it seems it’s been a while. I’ve inherited many different apps over the years and never paid close attention to t

Re: Creating button icons with Photoshop

Doug, did you find that? I’m working on a few button strategies myself. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 9, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Doug Hall wrote: > > Earlier today I ran across directions in the 4D documentation on how to use > Photoshop to create the four different layers of of a rollover button > p

Using 4D with Git...

Historically I’ve not been much of a Git user… now that I’m using Git on other projects and that 4D v17 R3 brings a native way to represent a complete 4D structure as text that can be managed by a Git repository, I’m excited to use Git to mange version control of my projects. However at the mome

Re: Using 4D with Git...

Paul, if you are using BitBucket aren’t they doing the hosting...? Also, BitBucket is free for up to 5 users with unlimited private repositories. R Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2018, at 12:51 AM, Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > If you host your own stuff as I

Re: Using 4D with Git...

Hi Mike, I’ll look into this. I like that all of the big git hosting companies like GitHub can integrate with third party trouble ticket trackers. For example I think GitHub works with ZenDesk while BitBucket uses Jira. Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Mike K

Re: Using 4D with Git...

John, just clarify… Fork is simply a GUI client to access GitHub or BitBucket repositories? Thanks, Robert > On Oct 31, 2018, at 8:42 AM, John DeSoi via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I like Fork. Nice interface, open source, free. I tried to find a donation > page, but did not

Re: Using 4D with Git...

If you start with your own local git data and then publish the project to GitHub and then move it to bitbucket do you get to see the granularity of the commits and have all of the other options offered via Git? Or, do you lose the history with each transition? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPho

Structure Location--Best Practices...?

When deploying a 4D (v17) structure (actually a built Server in this case) where is the optimal place to store these files? Over the years I’ve seen the structure stored in numerous places. However, as I’m configuring a new Windows 2016 server to be used exclusively to server 4D Server, I wanted

Re: Structure Location--Best Practices...?

Thanks guys, that covers Windows... what about macOS? R Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I'd stay away from Program Files and the root of C (but a C:\4D\ base folder > would be fine if you only have one drive). ***

Re: Structure Location--Best Practices...?

Does using another folder within the 4D folder resolve any problem? My first thought was to have the database folder as a root folder and not in another folder and TS is telling me the same. I suppose this makes more sense if the server is serving > 1 DB. Thanks, R Sent from my iPhone >

Built Client/Server Anomalies (Probably My Fault) v17R3 Beta

So, when I last reported effortless success of my V11 to V17 migration I’d used a v14 version that I’d experimented with years earlier and everything seemed to be working well…. I went back to the original v11 version just to make sure that any and all updates to the source were accommodated an

Re: subtables issue

Keisuke, can you elaborate on the potential ORDA approach in this situation…? I’m dealing with subtables as well in v17 and was about to eliminate the obsolete subtable/subrecord commands when I noticed that you mentioned leaving it alone…. Are you suggesting that I leave the old “_o_” commands

Intelligent Use of Entry/Display Filters...

I’m refactoring and old database in v17 and wanted to re-think how the entry and display filters are implemented. At the moment, I’m focused on zip code data entry and display. The current system is setup to handle extended zip codes but there is often an extra hyphen when 5 standard length code

Re: Intelligent Use of Entry/Display Filters...

T FORMAT($ZipCode->;"") End case ======== > On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > ...zip code data entry and display. ** 4D Internet Us

Re: Moving picture resources from one database to another

Tim, nice piece if code that I was hoping to use to convert my PICT library images to PNG…. This works perfectly but it must be done BEFORE you convert the structure to v17. I hope this helps someone. Regards, Robert > On Feb 10, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>

Changing Picture/3D Button Sets Dynamically...

How might you implement changing or swapping picture (or 3D Button) sets on the fly? I see the picture source can take a variable. Think about the flexibility we have with a display or entry filter where the filter definition is centrally defined with almost no effort. Have you had the buttons

Cannot Dismiss Form When Compiled...

While upgrading a v11 structure to v17R3 (Windows), I’ve noticed that the form (“PCDisplay”) loaded via Modify Selection cannot be dismissed when the application is compiled. Can you spot the problem? // DIALOG([DocketFile];"PullCaseSearch") If (OK=1) QUERY([Docke

Re: Cannot Dismiss Form When Compiled...

Any thoughts? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2018, at 12:43 AM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > cannot be dismissed when the application is compiled. ** 4D Internet Us

Picture Buttons--Benefits of Picture Library...

I’ve been working with button images which the picture library... While doing this I noticed one nice feature of the picture library. When dragging button graphics from the picture library to a form (assuming that the picture properties are defined as a split object), the destination object is a

Re: Cannot Dismiss Form When Compiled... (Robert ListMail)

Tim, you nailed it. I knew the approach was rudimentary ("super legacy”) but it just seemed to work (and I was okay with that for now) and I couldn’t find anything in the docs that suggested that Modify Selection should be called with a preceding explicit Open Form Window and in it’s own process

4D Authentication Strategy...

I’ve inherited many 4D databases over the years and some have a custom password system and some use the built in 4D system or a hybrid approach. I know that 4D also allows authentication via Active Directory (single sign on) but I’ve not implemented that. So, I’m looking to enhance a few legacy

Collection of Telemetry Data

I know that Jody has some expertise on this where he rolled his own remote data mirror. In my case, I just want my apps to phone home via the magic of the internet. I’d like to collect usage data to see what areas and features are used. I imagine this data would be collected in local tables and

Form Scaling & Optimal Fonts...

For many projects, I’m working with a larger team where the precise size of fonts and other stylesheet details are already decided. In this case, I’m designing new forms and optimizing some old ones via Windows 10 (for a legacy application that looks like it ran on a Mac Plus) and I wanted to ma

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

Supercool Tim! BTW: did you have a way of testing this in your office? Right now I’m thinking that when I’m connected to the client VPN I’d have access to that Windows server for authentication. Thanks, Robert > On Nov 9, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wro

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

Tim, I just toggled on the checkbox on the server that activates this feature but I’ve not implemented the code just yet…. So, how do you specify that you are logging in with the local 4D password instead of SSO? Modifier keys? Hidden Menu? Also, I’m not sure when the SSO login is in effect. On

Re: activating default user

Kirk, what was your method of keeping use rand 4d recs in sync? Thanks, R > On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Kirk Brooks wrote: > > You have to explicitly > offer some way to log in as a different 4D user or, as I eventually did, > tie my user records to a 4D user. ***

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

Thanks Jim, for the database I’m working on I might be able to get by with a couple of checkboxes that represent groups and not really have a groups table. I’m planning to have all of the database users in a users table and to authenticate against that and to also verify that there is a matching

Can Designer Groups Be Deleted?

Is there a way to delete Designer groups in 4D? Thanks, Robert ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubs

Re: activating default user

HI Kirk, thanks for taking the time to weigh-in on this… I’m in need of some clarification, see below: > I include a field in the [Users] table for the database id and database > name. The significance of that value depends on the rules you set up for > yourself. I assume that these are arbitrar

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

Hi Hilsen, thanks for your input. So, if you are storing users in user tables, couldn’t that be used to restore a new structure? When you say you are storing lists outside of the DB you lose me. With your strategy, is the structure or the data file the authority? Are you using your own custom

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

Oops! Sorry about that—I had no idea!!! Many Thanks Helge. I see it’s almost 7 in the evening your time—god kveld. Robert > On Nov 15, 2018, at 2:36 AM, 4dialog via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > By the way, Hilsen = Greeting in norwegian :) *

Screenshot via Windows...

I’ve got a form from another system that I would like to use as a guide in this new v17 database. I used the Mac to get a screenshot of a windows form and all seemed well until I dragged that image file onto a new 4D form and noted that it was far larger than expected. I suppose that the Mac ret

Re: Screenshot via Windows...

018, at 3:33 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > ...an efficient way to grab a specific portion of a Windows screen where the > pixel dimensions are preserved... ** 4D Internet

V17 MSC Reports Orphaned Methods...

While using v17R3 (Build 17.228509) and v17.0 HF3, I noticed that my converted structure (coming from v11) that I’ve been regularly modifying during this v17 upgrade started to report anomalies via MSC Verify. To reproduce a problem I just delete a from object that was recently duplicated, just

Re: V17 MSC Reports Orphaned Methods...

bill of health. So, if you have any ideas on what to check, I’m all ears. BTW: I could see that the 4D Forum shows that this was an issue with an old V13 beta but was quickly fixed after being reported by Tony R. Robert > On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:10 AM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_t

Re: V17 MSC Reports Orphaned Methods...

Actually I was using build 229490 but now I’m using the most recent (229707) with the same behavior as previously reported. Thanks, Robert > On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:10 AM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > While using v17R

Re: What's the thinking on setting/clearing semaphores rapidly?

Kirk, what’s the problem with the current setup? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > This is an obvious case for moving to a worker process once we get off v15 > but for the moment this method is causing me problems. **

Re: What's the thinking on setting/clearing semaphores rapidly?

The overall performance of the server is sluggish or the log writing routine? Why does the loop have to be so tight? How about writing the log every minute or every 5 minutes I suppose that’s not an option for some reason. Robert Broussard Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2018, at 10:38

Re: I've updated sideORDA

Thanks Kirk, I was one of those that was looking for that version. I was not sure that my DM via your lists_kirk email were received. Robert > On Nov 17, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > A few folks have asked me to update sideORDA >

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