RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Does Java Access Bridge Work in 3.5.4?
Hi. The issue with JAB not working in 3.5.0 was fixed in 3.5.1 and I'm currently running 3.5.3 on a 32-bit Win7 machine with JAB 2.0.2. I installed JAB 2.0.2 using a nifty lieelt program called Jwin written by Jamal Mazrui. Jwin automatically downloads and installs the correct version of JAB 2.0.2 since Oracle no longer offered an executable installer. I don't have the Url but if you search for Jwin Jamal Mazrui You're sure to find it. I can try it with 3.5.4 if there's a chance that accessibility might be working and can report back to you if you'd like. I guess I'd just rather know if it works or whether it will fail if someone knows for certain. David -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:42 AM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Does Java Access Bridge Work in 3.5.4? Hello David, Another user was having issues with Java Access Bridge version 2.0.1 and version 2.0.2 and also with NVDA The Bugzilla report 46114 that you submitted appeared to be the most on topic but did not mention a resolution or workaround, so it was reopened. That is why you received recent emails. The Java Access Bridge 2.0.2 does not seem to work correctly with LibreOffice 3.5.4 if installed using instructions provided by Oracle. But it is not clear that JAB 2.0.1 works either if installed using Oracle instructions. So could you explain how you were able to configure your installation of Java Access Bridge 2.0.1 to work in LibreOffice 3.5.3? Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-Does-Java-Acc ess-Bridge-Work-in-3-5-4-tp3987035p3987044.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Does Java Access Bridge Work in 3.5.4?
OK, Libo 3.5.4 seems to work with JAB 2.0.2. I haven't done exhaustive testing but menus read and I can use arrow keys to read text within a Writer document. If JAB wasn't working menus and arrow keys would be silent. David -Original Message- From: David Goldfield [mailto:dgold...@asb.org] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:36 AM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Does Java Access Bridge Work in 3.5.4? Hi. The issue with JAB not working in 3.5.0 was fixed in 3.5.1 and I'm currently running 3.5.3 on a 32-bit Win7 machine with JAB 2.0.2. I installed JAB 2.0.2 using a nifty lieelt program called Jwin written by Jamal Mazrui. Jwin automatically downloads and installs the correct version of JAB 2.0.2 since Oracle no longer offered an executable installer. I don't have the Url but if you search for Jwin Jamal Mazrui You're sure to find it. I can try it with 3.5.4 if there's a chance that accessibility might be working and can report back to you if you'd like. I guess I'd just rather know if it works or whether it will fail if someone knows for certain. David -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:42 AM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Does Java Access Bridge Work in 3.5.4? Hello David, Another user was having issues with Java Access Bridge version 2.0.1 and version 2.0.2 and also with NVDA The Bugzilla report 46114 that you submitted appeared to be the most on topic but did not mention a resolution or workaround, so it was reopened. That is why you received recent emails. The Java Access Bridge 2.0.2 does not seem to work correctly with LibreOffice 3.5.4 if installed using instructions provided by Oracle. But it is not clear that JAB 2.0.1 works either if installed using Oracle instructions. So could you explain how you were able to configure your installation of Java Access Bridge 2.0.1 to work in LibreOffice 3.5.3? Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-Does-Java-Acc ess-Bridge-Work-in-3-5-4-tp3987035p3987044.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Does Java Access Bridge Work in 3.5.4?
Stuart, I also attempted to manually install JAB 2.0.2 and could not get NVDA to read the program and it was probably due to a similar error. I honestly do not understand why Oracle does not release an executable which nicely installs JAB as they did with 2.0.1. Jwin did a great job and it's what I'll use unless Oracle releases something which is more efficient. David -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:44 PM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Does Java Access Bridge Work in 3.5.4? David, Thanks for the JWin tip and for checking your JAB 2.0.2 function in LO 3.5.4 Jamal Mazrui's JWin scripted installation ( http://empowermentzone.com/JWin.htm ) installs the correct Oracle provided DLL's and the JAB Jar files. But JWin does nothing different than Oracle's manual installation steps, so I must have made the error. It looks as if I'd borked the Java Access Bridge installation--guess it must be a common issue. Still poking around in the Windows specific LibreOffice configurations for NVDA--but it looks like the JAB 2.0.2 is mostly functional for LibreOffice 3.5.4 Will visit with the developers and probably now suggest closure of the 46114 Bugzilla report, although the LibreOffice crash was of concern, will not likely be able to reproduce. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-Does-Java-Acc ess-Bridge-Work-in-3-5-4-tp3987035p3987453.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Issue with LibreOffice 3.5.4 Accessibility
Hi. A few weeks ago I downloaded the latest version of LibreOffice but hadn't used it until today. I'm using it with NVDA 2012.2.1 with the latest version of Java access Bridge and the latest Java runtime for version 6. I'm experiencing the following problem. When I open LibreOffice Writer I am told that I am in an edit field and things appear to work normally. After I type some text I am able to use arrow keys to review the text with the cursor and it reads properly. Menu items along with their corresponding tooltips also speak as they should. However, I noticed that when I pressed ctrl-A to select all text followed by the delete key to delete the text it appears that the text is deleted but pressing up or down arrow still reads the line of text as though it is still there. Even worse, once I open a new file from the Open dialog box the file opens but NVDA does not report that I'm in an edit field and I am unable to navigate through the document. This is extremely disappointing. Can anyone duplicate this? David -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice 3.5.5 and Screen Reader Accessibility
Hello. A while ago I wrote about accessibility-related issues I was having with Libo 3.5.4 and NVDA 2012.2.1. In this situation I was unable to consistently obtain feedback while moving the caret through my document with arrow keys. I was dismayed to see the same results with 3.5.5 even though assistive technology support is enabled and Java Access Bridge is installed via Jamal Mazrui's Jwin program. However, after tweeking some of the settings in the View menu I have discovered a workaround. Apparently the problem seems to go away when I switch the view from Print Layout mode to Web Layout mode. Once I set the View settings to Web Layout accessibility seems to be back to what it was. I haven't done extensive testing and so I can't say for sure it's 100% normal but it seems to be usable. Admittedly, accessibility should not be broken when using the program in Print layout mode but at least we have a workaround until this can be resolved. David -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE
Hello. I uninstalled the components in the order in which you suggested. Using another installed screen reader I reinstalled all software in the order suggested and ensured that the a.t. support checkbox was checked when installing Libreoffice 3.6. I also enabled JAB via the control panel under accessibility settings but I still find that I have no access with LO 3.6 and NVDA 2012.2.1. David David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 9:05 PM To: Kevin Cussick; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE Kevin, Golly. I hate to keep harping on this. And I know it must seem like we are asking you to jump through hoops. But as Tom notes the effort is to clear it everything off and start clean from a known state. In your latest attempt you've ended up non-functional. To have a correct outcome, the install order IS important. LibreOffice gets install LAST. Remove in this order: 1. LibreOffice 2. NVDA 3. Java Access Bridge 4. Java Runtime Environment Install in this order 1. Java Runtime Environment 2. Java Access Bridge 3. NVDA 4. LibreOffice But note this: with JRE 1.7u7, the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 is installed automatically and just needs to be enabled with a jabswitch.exe /enable command. Only for JRE 1.6 do you still need to use the JWin utility to install and configure Java Access Bridge v2.0.2. In other words you should no longer use the JWin program with JRE 1.7 greater than update 6. Rather, simply enable the built in Java Access Bridge and then install NVDA and finally LibreOffice. Also, during LibreOffice 3.6 installation, on the last page of Installation Wizard configuration Ready to Install the Program there will be two check boxes 1) Create a start link on desktop, and 2) Support assistive technology tools Check that box and then select the Install button. The assistive technology checkbox is off by default--and must be checked to enable assistive technology in LibreOffice without navigating the Tools - Options - Accessibility and Tools - Options Java menus. Without the Accessibility Support assistive technology tools checked, NVDA will read the outside frame elements of LibreOffice-but will not be able to read or navigate text within the components. Stuart From: Kevin Cussick [mailto:the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sun 10/7/2012 5:47 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: V Stuart Foote; Kevin Cussick; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE Hello, OK I uninstalled Lo, uninstalled the java7 TM update I think it was installed nvda I can't see anything that relates to access bridge, because the java7 just downloads it with window's anyway. rebooted the PC installed lo, installed the downloaded java.exe 32 bit it is version 7,rebooted the PC but before doing so checked that the java switch was checked it was, then reinstalled Nvda I used the portable version of nvda this dose not use anything that Java would be needing anyway. It's getting late so struggling to keep focused, anyway the result is that I did not get lo working oh nearly forgot after rebooting but before installing nvda again I downloaded the jwin program ran it and ran the have ferret.exe file as well, but as said nothing what now? thanks in advance but I am about to give up If I hear that anyone else has this latest stable version running with java7 and the access bridge then I am happy to take instruction on how to fix it, but if not I think I have reached the end of the road. I have a feeling it is a problem with lo and u as well as has been said on the Nvda list. but I hope to be proved wrong thanks for all your help all who have tried to help. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE
Hello, Stuart. The last time I worked with Symphony I definitely noticed that accessibility was much better. I continued to stick with LO because Symphony does not have a built-in function in the File menu to send a document as an email attachment and Writer handles this function quite nicely. While Symphony has a plug-in to accomplish this task I found that installing plug-ins for Symphony via the keyboard was next to impossible. I'm glad, however, that LO developers are at least discussing how to best handle these accessibility shortcomings. I thank you for your explanations, patience and the time you are taking to explain as well as to verify these issues. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:25 AM To: David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org; libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE David, I spent yesterday working through some of the permutations. I resolved a couple of my own questions. First, that Python based NVDA functions independent of the Java Runtime Environment - Java Access Bridge. NVDA does require the JRE and Java Access Bridge to properly control programs that are implemented with the Java Access Bridge API, unfortunately that includes LibreOffice. But NVDA will remain functional with the JRE JAB removed. NVDA only needs to be momentarily shut down when uninstalling the JAB JRE and can be restarted as the uninstall completes. =-=-= Another issue, per-user LibreOffice profile from past installation attempts or prior versions must be removed. Uninstallation of LibreOffice leaves the per-user configuration files intact. This is intentional from the LibreOffice developers perspective--but it adversely affects installation or re-installation of LibreOffice with accessibility tools and needs to be rebuilt cleanly. The per-user configuration is located at: C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice Simply delete the LibreOffice folder and subfolders. And proceed with removal and reinstallation of the JRE, enabling the JAB, and lastly installing LibreOffice with AT enabled. =-=-= Finally, I am curious as to how incomplete the Flat Review LibreOffice JAB based Assistive Technology tools are compared to the Windows IAccessible2 based tools, or Linux AT-SPI based, or even the Apple Accessibility API based renderings. Since IBM continues to develop and distribute the Lotus Symphony suite, current release is 3.0.1 and is free to download and use. http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home/ http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home/ I grabbed a set of Windows installers (32-bit), and the FixPack1 for 3.0.1 from http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/symphony/ http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/symphony/ In a side by side comparison using NVDA and the same .odt document -- the IAccessible2 based Symphony clearly accessed more of the MSAA-IAccessible roles than did the Java Access Bridge based LibreOffice. Cursor navigation, and object based mode functioned--as did reporting of font changes, style and header levels and voicing of program annotations like spelling errors. Clearly under NVDA Symphony Document is more useable as an editor. Similar results in the Spreadsheet compared to Calc. =-=-= I'm going to press on and do the same comparison between a Linux Orca session of LibreOffice's AT-SPI based interface, and Symphony (in both Windows and Linux versions)--but suspect it will simply confirm there are serious shortcomings to the Java Access Bridge -- UNO a11y role mappings in LibreOffice on the Windows side. I can't say if this has been the state since inception, or is a recent change but will have a little better feel of what roles are working in Linux with ATK side versus in Windows with JAB and may then be able to rationally present the case of regression or needed enhancement to the developers. There is an open metabug on the Linux AT-SPI ATK AT-SPI2 side for Orca , maybe we need something similar on the Windows JAB side.( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=36549 ) =-=-= In the interim, until the Java Access Bridge based Windows functions are corrected--or until LibreOffice moves fully to and UNO a11y role - IAccessible2 role mapping under the IBM Symphony contribution--you may want to look at using the free IBM Symphony 3.0.1--of course that leaves you without Draw, Base or an Equation editor. Stuart p.s. CC'd to the Dev list--looking
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE
Stuart, This is a good question. This is a Win7 32-bit machine. David David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:40 PM To: David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE David, Are you on a 64-bit Windows system or 32-bit? If 64-bit, I would avoid the Ninite package installer and just use the 32-bit Windows x86 Offline (29.73MB) jre-7u7-windows-i586.exe installer from Oracle. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html The Ninite or Oracle 64-bit installers can be configured to work, but it is a hassle as you need to set Environment variables to force use of the 32-bit JRE when the OS would otherwise call the 64-bit version. Stuart From: David Goldfield [mailto:dgold...@asb.org] Sent: Tue 10/9/2012 12:21 PM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE Hello, again. This time I removed Java 7 update 7 followed by LO 3.6.2. I also ensured that my LO user data in the roaming folder was removed. I then installed Java via the Ninite installer. Ensured that Java Access Bridge was enabled via control panel (Ease of Access, use computer without a display.) Installed LO 3.6.2 checking the box for enabling a.t. support. I am afraid I still have no access while in Writer with NVDA. I do have JAWS 12 and JAWS 13 installed. I do not believe these are JAVA-based packages. I am willing to remove them but I need a bit of a break today. grin David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org http://www.asb.org/ Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -Original Message- From: David Goldfield [mailto:dgold...@asb.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:41 AM To: V Stuart Foote Cc: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE Hello, Stuart. The last time I worked with Symphony I definitely noticed that accessibility was much better. I continued to stick with LO because Symphony does not have a built-in function in the File menu to send a document as an email attachment and Writer handles this function quite nicely. While Symphony has a plug-in to accomplish this task I found that installing plug-ins for Symphony via the keyboard was next to impossible. I'm glad, however, that LO developers are at least discussing how to best handle these accessibility shortcomings. I thank you for your explanations, patience and the time you are taking to explain as well as to verify these issues. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org http://www.asb.org/ Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:25 AM To: David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org; libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE David, I spent yesterday working through some of the permutations. I resolved a couple of my own questions. First, that Python based NVDA functions independent of the Java Runtime Environment - Java Access Bridge. NVDA does require the JRE and Java Access Bridge to properly control programs that are implemented with the Java Access Bridge API, unfortunately that includes LibreOffice. But NVDA will remain functional with the JRE JAB removed. NVDA only needs to be momentarily shut down when uninstalling the JAB JRE and can be restarted as the uninstall completes. =-=-= Another issue, per-user LibreOffice profile from past installation attempts or prior versions must be removed. Uninstallation of LibreOffice leaves the per-user configuration files intact. This is intentional from the LibreOffice developers perspective--but it adversely affects installation or re-installation of LibreOffice with accessibility tools and needs to be rebuilt cleanly. The per-user configuration is located at: C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE
Hmmm, what does entering where java at a command window return? By command window do I assume correctly that you mean the command prompt? I get c:\windows\system32\java.exe As to where jabswitch I get Info could not find files for the given patterns Very odd. What about where jabswitch at the same command prompt? Stuart -Original Message- From: David Goldfield [mailto:dgold...@asb.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:44 PM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE Stuart, This is a good question. This is a Win7 32-bit machine. David David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:40 PM To: David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE David, Are you on a 64-bit Windows system or 32-bit? If 64-bit, I would avoid the Ninite package installer and just use the 32-bit Windows x86 Offline (29.73MB) jre-7u7-windows-i586.exe installer from Oracle. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html The Ninite or Oracle 64-bit installers can be configured to work, but it is a hassle as you need to set Environment variables to force use of the 32-bit JRE when the OS would otherwise call the 64-bit version. Stuart From: David Goldfield [mailto:dgold...@asb.org] Sent: Tue 10/9/2012 12:21 PM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE Hello, again. This time I removed Java 7 update 7 followed by LO 3.6.2. I also ensured that my LO user data in the roaming folder was removed. I then installed Java via the Ninite installer. Ensured that Java Access Bridge was enabled via control panel (Ease of Access, use computer without a display.) Installed LO 3.6.2 checking the box for enabling a.t. support. I am afraid I still have no access while in Writer with NVDA. I do have JAWS 12 and JAWS 13 installed. I do not believe these are JAVA-based packages. I am willing to remove them but I need a bit of a break today. grin David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org http://www.asb.org/ Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -Original Message- From: David Goldfield [mailto:dgold...@asb.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:41 AM To: V Stuart Foote Cc: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE Hello, Stuart. The last time I worked with Symphony I definitely noticed that accessibility was much better. I continued to stick with LO because Symphony does not have a built-in function in the File menu to send a document as an email attachment and Writer handles this function quite nicely. While Symphony has a plug-in to accomplish this task I found that installing plug-ins for Symphony via the keyboard was next to impossible. I'm glad, however, that LO developers are at least discussing how to best handle these accessibility shortcomings. I thank you for your explanations, patience and the time you are taking to explain as well as to verify these issues. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org http://www.asb.org/ Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:25 AM To: David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org; libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE David, I spent yesterday working through some of the permutations. I resolved a couple of my own questions. First, that Python based NVDA functions independent of the Java Runtime Environment - Java Access Bridge. NVDA does require the JRE and Java Access Bridge to properly control programs that are implemented with the Java Access Bridge API, unfortunately that includes LibreOffice. But NVDA will remain functional with the JRE JAB removed. NVDA only needs to be momentarily shut down
[libreoffice-accessibility] Many, Many Thanks for Accessibility Fix
I am writing to say that I am doing the happy dance with the accessibility fixes in Libreoffice 4.0.5. I would like to thank any of the TDF developers who were involved with this fix. I am thrilled to be able to use a more current version of LO with NVDA. Will these changes be put into the 4.1 branch soon? Again, thank you so, so much for this much-needed fix!!! David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Question about using Libreoffice with New version of Java from Ninite
Hello. As I indicated in a previous message, I've had great success using Libreoffice 4.0.5 with my screen reader. However, I decided to use Ninite to install the newest version of Java. After doing this, accessibility seems to be not working again, even with JAB enabled. Does the Ninite installer do something different or unusual regarding the JAB? David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Libo 4.0.5 and Accessibility/Follow-up
I have fixed the accessibility problems I was experiencing after installing Java via the Ninite installer. The Window-eyes screen reader includes a utility which allows the user to install the Java Access Bridge. When I ran their utility and restarted my PC, accessibility returned to Libreoffice. I'm not sure what Ninite is doing which is different from GW Micro's Access Bridge installer, but using their installer fixed my problems. Does anyone know why this is? David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libo 4.0.5 and Accessibility/Follow-up
Hi. I just reinstalled Java from the official installer via the java.com Web site. Access Bridge lists itself as being enabled in the ease of access section, and yet Libo 4.0.5 did not have any accessibility using the latest release candidate of NVDA. I went to the Install Java Access Bridge option from the window-eyes program group and, after running their JAB installer, found that accessibility was restored. I contacted GW Micro to ask if their installer is doing anything differently, and they told me that it may be installing it in some additional folders beyond what the Java installer is doing. Can anybody confirm this? In other words, does installing Java via the java.com installer allow Libo to work with NVDA? Perhaps the Libreoffice developers could find out what GW Micro's installer is doing and replicate this behavior when the user enables the assistive technology support checkbox. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -Original Message- From: Niklas Johansson [mailto:sleeping.pil...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:30 PM To: David Goldfield Cc: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libo 4.0.5 and Accessibility/Follow-up Just a guess, Ninite might have installed the 64-bit version of java. LibreOffice still need the 32-bit version. /Niklas Den fredagen den 23:e augusti 2013 skrev David Goldfield: I have fixed the accessibility problems I was experiencing after installing Java via the Ninite installer. The Window-eyes screen reader includes a utility which allows the user to install the Java Access Bridge. When I ran their utility and restarted my PC, accessibility returned to Libreoffice. I'm not sure what Ninite is doing which is different from GW Micro's Access Bridge installer, but using their installer fixed my problems. Does anyone know why this is? David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.org javascript:; mailto:dgold...@asb.org javascript:; www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org javascript:; Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Comments on using Calc 4.0.5 with NVDA
Hello. I've done some preliminary testing with Calc and NVDA. NVDA properly reads the cell coordinates as well as any data contained within the cell as you use the arrow keys. This is how screen readers handle spreadsheets in excel, and this is good news. However, if I type any data within a cell, pressing arrow keys after I enter any data reads too much information, namely the title of the open workbook folowed by instructions telling me that I can edit or enter data. It does this every time I use arrow keys to move from cell to cell. When I compared this to the behavior in OpenOffice, I noticed that OpenOffice does not have this bug and allows me to just hear the cell and its corresponding data while arrowing through the spreadsheet. Again, Libreoffice only begins reading too much information after I enter data into a cell. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Issue Resolved/NVDA Reading too Much Information in Calc
A while ago, I wrote to this list reporting a problem where NVDA reads too much information in Calc. This occurs after I enter data in a cell. After I enter data in a cell, pressing arrow keys reads the title of the open workbook, the words formula bar and a prompt telling me that I can enter data in this cell. This made me wonder if disabling a toolbar might fix the problem. When I noticed that the formula bar was checked, I unchecked it and the problem has been fixed. While I consider this a bug, this is a reasonable workaround as blind users can work in Calc without needing the formula bar enabled. I am so thrilled that I now have good access to Writer and Calc again. I have filed this info in NV Access's bug tracker. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Libreoffice 4.1.1 and accessibility Support
Hello. I've been using LO 4.0.5 Writer with NVDA and accessibility support worked well. When I installed 4.1.1, accessibility support became broken. With the assistance of our sighted systems administrator, he was able to get me up and running and I wanted to share what he discovered. When he enabled a.t. support, it asked him to select a JRE. I only have Java 7/25 installed but he went to the advanced options and checked use a JRE. Even when he did this, the Java version remained unchecked and he had to manually check this version as well. This was the only version which appeared in the list of JRE installations. I'm wondering if the installation could manage this a bit better so that it might check the JRE, especially if only one is installed. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice 4.2 and JAWS 15
OK, now that I have Iaccessible2 working I decided to test Writer with the latest build of JAWS 15. Very often, while writing a document, when I press the enter key I hear JAWS say edit Has Flows From but the text does not actually get written in the document. When I move to the top of a document using the ctrl-home key I hear JAWS say Edit has flows to This does not occur with NVDA. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Give a Donation http://asb.org/index.php?option=com_jdonation Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice 4.2 and Window-eyes 8.4
I am unable to use LO 4.2 with Window-eyes 8.4. LibreOffice continually crashes with fatal error messages; this is with Iaccessible2 enabled. As an experiment, I even loaded LO first prior to loading Window-eyes and it loaded with no problems. Once I loaded WE, LO crashed again. I'll report this to GW Micro but I'm wondering if anybody can confirm my findings. So far, NVDA seems to be providing the best level of accessibility support. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Give a Donation http://asb.org/index.php?option=com_jdonation Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] JAWS 15 and Calc 4.2.1
For kicks, I fired up JAWS 15.0.7023, the latest build, and tested it with Calc. With JAB enabled, I receive absolutely no feedback as I navigate through cells. Could someone confirm this who has JAWS 15? David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. www.asb.orghttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Associated-Services-for-the-Blind/234389409941928 www.asb.orghttp://twitter.com/ASBPhiladelphia -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Question about Downloading LibreOffice/Where's the Helppack?
Sophie, Thanks so much for your offer. I actually have the file and so don't need it for myself. I was just perusing the new page and was looking for it and could not locate it. I'll try again, however ... David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor ASB 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia PA 19107 Tel. 215-627-0600 ext 3277 Fax. 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org -Original Message- From: Sophie [mailto:gautier.sop...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 11:35 AM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Question about Downloading LibreOffice/Where's the Helppack? Le 07/03/2014 15:02, David Goldfield a écrit : Hi. I see that libreoffice.org has a new Web page. In the download section I'm unable to find the link to download the external helppack file. Has this been removed? No, it has not been removed, you should find it when you scroll down the page. What is the operating system and the version you are wanted the help for? I'll provide you a direct link. Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Using LibreOffice Calc 4.3 with NVDA 2014.2
Hello. I installed the latest RC build of LO 4.3 with NVDA 2014.2 as my screen reader on a windows 7, 32-bit machine. I am noticing that cell addresses and cell data are not being read as I navigate across a workbook. As an example, if I press arrow keys, NVDA should speak the cell address, so I should hear a1 b1 etc. If cell A1 contains data, that data should be read along with the cell address but it is not. These navigation bugs don't exist in OpenOffice 4.1, if that knowledge is of any use to LO developers. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. www.asb.orghttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Associated-Services-for-the-Blind/234389409941928 www.asb.orghttp://twitter.com/ASBPhiladelphia -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Removing commands from formatting menu
Mirek, I'm not a Libreoffice expert but I'm visually impaired, have access to three screen readers and I use NVDA as my screen reader of choice. I'm an assistive technology trainer, having been in the field for over 20 years. I'd be honored to assist, if I can. You can visit my Web site to learn more about what I know and what I do, if needed. http://www.davidgoldfield.info David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor Associated Services for the Blind Visually Impaired 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia PA 19107 Tel. 215-627-0600 ext 3277 Fax. 215-922-0692 mailto:dgold...@asb.org http://www.asb.org -Original Message- From: Mirek M. [mailto:maz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:22 PM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-accessibility] Removing commands from formatting menu Hi guys, Michael Meeks mentioned in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81132 that context menus have a special purpose for a11y. Could anyone here please clue us in as to what role they serve and in which scenarios they are used, preferably in a comment in the bug report? Also, the design team could really use a person knowledgeable in LibreOffice's accessibility features and in accessibility problems in general. Would anyone here like to help us there? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Libreoffice 4.3 and Calc with NVDA
Hello. I've had a chance to download and install the official 4.3 build and did some testing with the almost latest edition of the NVDA master branch. I am still having a great deal of difficulty successfully navigating in a Calc spreadsheet as I receive little or no speech feedback from the screen reader as I use arrow keys. I do not have this problem in Writer, although the read all function seems to stop prematurely after reading a few lines of text and I believe this also occurs with OpenOffice. What is very odd is that spreadsheet navigation works perfectly with NVDA with OpenOffice and I'm under the impression that OO and LO are using the same Iaccessible2 code. Anyway, I wanted to report this and am wondering if others can verify my findings. Btw, I've gone into the view menu and disabled all toolbars and have ensured that items like the sidebar are disabled. However, I'm open to suggestions as to techniques I could try in order to improve Calc's accessibility. Thanks for all you're doing. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. www.asb.orghttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Associated-Services-for-the-Blind/234389409941928 www.asb.orghttp://twitter.com/ASBPhiladelphia -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Definite Progress/Calc Accessibility Issues with NVDA
I added a comment to bug 81264 but I am so excited I wanted to post this to the list as well. I just did some testing with Calc Version: 4.4.0.0.alpha1+ Build ID: d9473f25380c627966b4406cc4cdfaafcf44bc37 TinderBox: Win-x86@51-TDF, Branch:MASTER, Time: 2014-11-03_04:24:26 with the latest NVDA master build. Pressing the f2 followed by escape still does not reliably read cell coordinates or data as I move through the spreadsheet with arrow keys. However, at that point if I use ctrl-alt-N to exit and restart NVDA and place focus back into the spreadsheet, arrow keys work reliably and I can hear cell coordinates and any data which may be contained within the cell. I hope that information might be of some use. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Libo 4.3.4.1/We're Cooking
To quote the Beatles, I have to admit it's getting better. Installation of the official 4.3.4.1 build did not trigger Symantec Endpoint Protection as the test builds did. Also, while within Calc, pressing f2 followed by the escape key gives me proper accessibility with NVDA as it did with the test builds. Gentlemen, nice work and many thanks. If you ever make your way to Philadelphia, I'd be honored to buy you lunch. David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org Give a Donation http://asb.org/index.php?option=com_jdonation Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac
Hi. I've been a screen reader user since 1991 when I started out with DOS 3.X and so I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have about this topic. When you are dependent on using a screen reader, it helps if you can memorize shortcut keys. The more keys you can memorize, the more efficient you will likely be with computer navigation. For people who just don't do well in memorizing shortcut keys, teaching them how to use a program's menu bar or ribbon UI can be of great help, as this presents a simple way of getting to all of the commands contained within a given program. Many shortcut keys are quite intuitive and easy to remember: ctrl-S for save, ctrl-O for open, ctrl-P for print, etc. The alt key places focus in or out of the menu/ribbons and alt-f4, at least in Windows, is used to close the currently active window or, in many cases, running app. -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:15 AM To: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe Cc: Alex Thurgood; Accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac Hi :) I am mildly curious about how people work with screen-readers when they are completely dependant on them. I can often work without a mouse by using some keyboard short-cuts and using tab to go through menus. To some extent i've memorised some of 'the' keyboard (thanks to Mavis Beacon and other touch-typing courses) so i could probably find the tab key without needing to see it but a lot of times i would be completely stuck I was hoping that being on this mailing list might reveal some tricks that a lot of people use but mostly it's been really technical stuff here. No-one here seems to need or ask questions about just workflow or for hints and tips, yet. Maybe that will change once LO is easier to set-up for accessibility, ie once java dependence is no longer an issue. I've been quite glad to see the highly technical answers too, of course but it's all just beyond me. Luckily i've not had to set-up a system for anyone needing it but i keep having little trial-runs at it. One day i should make a serious attempt and maybe then things will become a lot clearer. Regards from Tom :) On 3 December 2014 at 09:38, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe mengualjean...@free.fr wrote: Hi. Thanks for this info. Actually I wonder how LO behaves with voiceover, that is, is it possible to browse between toolbars, in the menus, the dialogs, etc. For example, is it easy to handle styles and charachters formatting? The question is asked to me by a blind user to do tests. I am aware of the lack of resource for this architectuure, but I wonder if someone tested anyway; Regards - Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 03/12/2014 00:52, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit : Hi Jean-Philippe Does someone is LibreOffice is accessible with VoiceOver as 4.3.4? Accessible in which way ? My recent testing of VoiceOver on OSX 10.10.1 and LO 4334 and master build 4.5.0 alpha shows that it mostly works for announcing text paragraphs from a pre-existing Writer document and using keyboard commands to jump from one text block to another. I haven't tested speech input, if that is what you are asking about. There is an open, as yet unconfirmed, bug report that speech input stopped working with LO 4.3. The simple fact of the matter is that there are very few Mac QA testers, and even fewer that use or need VoiceOver, one of the reasons being that assistive technology tools tended to cause LO to crash in previous versions, and thus general advice was to deactivate them when using LO. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:
RE: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac
Tom and others, Here are some Web sites which specialize in shortcut key lists. www.keyxl.comhttp://www.keyxl.com www.allhotkeys.comhttp://www.allhotkeys.com www.shortcutworld.comhttp://www.shortcutworld.com From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 4:04 AM To: David Goldfield Cc: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac Hi :) Thanks :)) I didn't know about Alt being a way to get into or out of menus/ribbon-bar. On Ubuntu it brings up the HUD which allows people to type in what they want to do, instead of having to search through menus. I had forgotten the Alt F4 for closing a window/console. I have often used Ctrl w to close a document/tab but keep the main window open = usually most useful in a web-browser but still useful in other apps sometimes. I think even just knowing a few greatly helps people, even fully sighted users gain a lot by using them. Errr, i just found this ZdNet article http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-stephen-hawking-aim-to-spur-assistive-technology-development/ I think getting a celebrity actively promoting assistive technologies might be a help. Stephen Hawkings seems to have quite a reputation for being a curious mix of friendly but demanding and seems good at breaking down barriers. There are a couple of things that worry me. IBM's involvement suggests it's going to be entirely proprietary and even though there is a suggestion of it being free now it makes me wonder how long it would stay that way. On the other hand IBM have done some good for OpenSource too so i'm not sure. Regards from Tom :) On 3 December 2014 at 13:41, David Goldfield dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org wrote: Hi. I've been a screen reader user since 1991 when I started out with DOS 3.X and so I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have about this topic. When you are dependent on using a screen reader, it helps if you can memorize shortcut keys. The more keys you can memorize, the more efficient you will likely be with computer navigation. For people who just don't do well in memorizing shortcut keys, teaching them how to use a program's menu bar or ribbon UI can be of great help, as this presents a simple way of getting to all of the commands contained within a given program. Many shortcut keys are quite intuitive and easy to remember: ctrl-S for save, ctrl-O for open, ctrl-P for print, etc. The alt key places focus in or out of the menu/ribbons and alt-f4, at least in Windows, is used to close the currently active window or, in many cases, running app. -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomc...@gmail.commailto:tomc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:15 AM To: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe Cc: Alex Thurgood; Accessibility@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:Accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac Hi :) I am mildly curious about how people work with screen-readers when they are completely dependant on them. I can often work without a mouse by using some keyboard short-cuts and using tab to go through menus. To some extent i've memorised some of 'the' keyboard (thanks to Mavis Beacon and other touch-typing courses) so i could probably find the tab key without needing to see it but a lot of times i would be completely stuck I was hoping that being on this mailing list might reveal some tricks that a lot of people use but mostly it's been really technical stuff here. No-one here seems to need or ask questions about just workflow or for hints and tips, yet. Maybe that will change once LO is easier to set-up for accessibility, ie once java dependence is no longer an issue. I've been quite glad to see the highly technical answers too, of course but it's all just beyond me. Luckily i've not had to set-up a system for anyone needing it but i keep having little trial-runs at it. One day i should make a serious attempt and maybe then things will become a lot clearer. Regards from Tom :) On 3 December 2014 at 09:38, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe mengualjean...@free.frmailto:mengualjean...@free.fr wrote: Hi. Thanks for this info. Actually I wonder how LO behaves with Voiceover, that is, is it possible to browse between toolbars, in the menus, the dialogs, etc. For example, is it easy to handle styles and characters formatting? The question is asked to me by a blind user to do tests. I am aware of the lack of resource for this architecture, but I wonder if someone tested anyway; Regards - Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.commailto:alex.thurg...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 03/12/2014 00:52, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit : Hi Jean-Philippe Does someone is LibreOffice is accessible with VoiceOver as 4.3.4? Accessible in which way ? My recent testing of VoiceOver on OSX 10.10.1 and LO 4334 and master build 4.5.0 alpha shows that it mostly works
[libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice 4.4/Quite Nice
Today, I installed LO 4.4 and opened Calc using NVDA 2014.4. I must say that someone must have been doing some work quite recently. With 4.3, we had accessibility but I believe it was necessary to move to the formula bar and then move back to the worksheet in order to reliably hear cell information while using arrow keys to move through the worksheet. I notice that 4.4 doesn't require this and allowed me to hear cell coordinates and data contained within the cell without the need to move to the formula bar first. I admit I haven't done much beyond this but, if this has been truly fixed, I must say I'm quite impressed. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Trying to subscribe
Hello. I am attempting to subscribe to this list by sending an email from this address to the address listed on your web site to subscribe. However, I am not receiving any confirmation emails, even in my spam folder. Is there another way to join this list? -- Feel free to visit my Web site http://www.davidgoldfield.info David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] List Subscription Issues
Hello. I have successfully managed to join this list via this Gmail address but I had some difficulty with other email accounts. The address that I wanted to use for this list was david dot goldfield at outlook dot com substituting the dot and at for appropriate punctuation. I used the address accessibility+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org with no confirmations. I sent it multiple times with nothing coming back, even in Outlook's junk folder. Does anyone know if Outlook is automatically filtering out certain messages? I could find no such settings in the settings panel but perhaps I was not searching carefully enough. Next, I attempted to subscribe with a Verizon account. While I received a verification email in ten seconds after sending the subscription request, sending an email to the link provided in the message generated a confirmation, indicating that my message was invalid. Next, I used this Gmail account and the subscription went through without a hitch. I admit this isn't a LibreOffice issue but I'm wondering if anyone has any theories on why some of these accounts were not cooperating. My email client for all of these accounts is Thunderbird although I did try to subscribe via the Outlook.com Web site, with no confirmation. Anyway, at least I've found an account which will allow me to join this list and I'm glad to be able to participate more easily at home. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Question/Help Tips in Pull-down Menus
Hi. I'm using LibreOffice 4.4.1 with the latest offline help pack. I'm using NVDA 2015.1 as my screen reader on a Windows 7 32-bit machine. In previous versions, I remembered that the offline helppack generated help text for many of the pull-down menus, such as the items found in the File or Edit menus. I'm not sure when this changed but I notice that those help texts or tool tips aren't reading, although they are when navigating from within the Options dialogs. I'm just curious if those messages were removed or is it an unintended omission? David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor Associated Services for the Blind, Inc. 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org 21st Annual Guide Dog Appreciation Day - March 27, 2015 Give a Donation http://asb.org/index.php?option=com_jdonation Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Question/Help Tips in Pull-down Menus
Hi, Stuart. After trying to figure out what might have been causing the problem I did check those settings a while ago and both options are checked. -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:27 AM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Question/Help Tips in Pull-down Menus Hi David, Please check that you have the Extended tips check-box selected. Tools - Options - General in the Help section. A check-box for Tips on by default, and a second check-box Extended tips is off by default. Select that active, and you should have more complete descriptions pulled from the offline help pack. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-Question-Help-Tips-in-Pull-down-Menus-tp4144299p4144313.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] More on selecting text with a screen reader
Edward, While I haven't installed 4.4.1, I am unable to duplicate the issues where selecting text line by line isn't speaking the appropriate text using NVDA with Writer 4.4.0. This may not be relevant but I'm wondering which windows theme you're using. Just for kicks, could you go into Personalization or Change the Theme from the start menu and set your system to Windows Classic? On 3/3/2015 6:09 PM, Edward Green wrote: Hi all, I've now installed LibreOffice 4.4.1.2, but am still unable to select text by line in Writer using either JAWS 16 or NVDA 2015.1. I'd be grateful for any more suggestions as to what I might try. Many thanks, Ed P.S. Apologies David if you see this twice. I didn’t spot when I replied originally that my message went to you instead of just the list. On 3 Mar 2015, at 09:10, David Goldfield dgoldfield1...@gmail.com wrote: Edward, I am not using the current still release but am using 4.4.0 fresh (haven't installed 4.4.1 yet.) With this version, I am unable to duplicate the issues you're experiencing regarding selecting lines of text in Writer. I am able to hear text which is being selected as I use shift down-arrow and even shift-ctrl-down arrow when I select by paragraphs. I am using NVDA 2015.1. Would you consider installing the 4.4 release? On 3/3/2015 1:01 AM, Edward Green wrote: Hi, I recently installed the latest still release of Libre office on a machine running Windows 7. When I’m in the word processor, I am not hearing text read to me when I select by line using shift +up or down arrows. I have tried this with both JAWS 16 and NVDA 2015.1. I do hear text spoken when I select words or characters with shift left/arrow and shift control left/right arrow for the paragraph I am currently in, but hear nothing when I move out of that paragraph. I have ticked the assistive technology option in tools/options/accessibility, and installed the Java Runtime Environment/enabled the Java Access Bridge from the Ease of Access Centre. The rest of the program appears to work well, with text being read and menus being fully navigable. Does anyone know if text is supposed to read while being selected, and if so, what I might do to fix this? Many thanks, Ed -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4299/9221 - Release Date: 03/03/15 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Selecting text with a screen reader
Edward, I am not using the current still release but am using 4.4.0 fresh (haven't installed 4.4.1 yet.) With this version, I am unable to duplicate the issues you're experiencing regarding selecting lines of text in Writer. I am able to hear text which is being selected as I use shift down-arrow and even shift-ctrl-down arrow when I select by paragraphs. I am using NVDA 2015.1. Would you consider installing the 4.4 release? On 3/3/2015 1:01 AM, Edward Green wrote: Hi, I recently installed the latest still release of Libre office on a machine running Windows 7. When I’m in the word processor, I am not hearing text read to me when I select by line using shift +up or down arrows. I have tried this with both JAWS 16 and NVDA 2015.1. I do hear text spoken when I select words or characters with shift left/arrow and shift control left/right arrow for the paragraph I am currently in, but hear nothing when I move out of that paragraph. I have ticked the assistive technology option in tools/options/accessibility, and installed the Java Runtime Environment/enabled the Java Access Bridge from the Ease of Access Centre. The rest of the program appears to work well, with text being read and menus being fully navigable. Does anyone know if text is supposed to read while being selected, and if so, what I might do to fix this? Many thanks, Ed -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Question/Help Tips in Pull-down Menus
Hi, Stuart. Thanks for this note. To show you where you can see help tips not being read, access one of the pull-down menus, such as the Edit menu or the View menu. Once you're in that menu, arrow down through the items. NVDA will read the item but not a help tip, which I thought I remember from previous LO versions. On 3/24/2015 3:24 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: David, I just loaded NVDA 2015.1, and working with LibreOffice 4.4.1.2 with local help installed. The Extended tips are sounded by NVDA regardless of the check-box setting on Tools - Options - General: Help Seems like they are all there, but is there a specific panel that you recall a more complete help sounding for? Let me know and I can check for it. Stuart From: David Goldfield Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:51 AM To: V Stuart Foote Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Question/Help Tips in Pull-down Menus Hi, Stuart. After trying to figure out what might have been causing the problem I did check those settings a while ago and both options are checked. -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:27 AM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Question/Help Tips in Pull-down Menus Hi David, Please check that you have the Extended tips check-box selected. Tools - Options - General in the Help section. A check-box for Tips on by default, and a second check-box Extended tips is off by default. Select that active, and you should have more complete descriptions pulled from the offline help pack. Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Problem using Libre office accessibility features
Hi. I have NVDA and Window-Eyes at home and am willing to do a bit of ad hoc testing during the long weekend. I'll submit a report, hopefully by May 30. On 5/24/2016 5:52 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: @Alan, Alan-2 wrote Good evening, I've just installed Latest Libre office on my new laptop, runing a windows 64 operating sistem... I read that it would be accessible using screen readers like Jaws or NVDA, however, jaws doesn't provide any speech output when navigating menus, etc. Using nvda, it certainly brings output, but sometimes strange behaviors appear, for example, after choosing a suggested option for a misspelled word from the context menu. Am I missing anything? Any help would be welcome, thanks in advance! Sorry--no seat of JAWS or Windows Eyes to test against. But, NVDA functions "out of the box" with LibreOffice exposing accessible events mapped to the the Linux Foundations IAccessible2 v1.3 API. The project does not bridge to MS UIA. And the old Java Accessibility API "Java Access Bridge" was stripped out when implementing the native IAccessible2 mappings. Of course there are issues--announcing cells for tables in Writer, and the main content dialogs not sounding, "say all" top to bottom reading, etc. but overall is reasonably usable. Theoretically, JAWS and Windows Eyes provide the same level of support reading LibreOffice exposed IAccessible2 events--but I can't verify. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-Problem-using-Libre-office-accessibility-features-tp4184329p4184330.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] About to Download LO5.1
I just discovered that 5.1 is out and am planning to download it today. I have not had as much as time as I would have liked to perform any accessibility testing with this latest version. therefore, I'm just curious as to whether there are any accessibility issues in 5.1 that are not in the 5.0 branch. I use NVDA 2015.4 and Window-Eyes 9.3. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-accessibility] Initial Comments with LibreOffice 5.1 and Screen Readers
As I stated in a previous reply which I sent to this list, I'm running Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit edition with NVDA 2016.1 and Window-Eyes 9.3. Thankfully, the accessibility experience appears to be what I'm used to with older versions of LibreOffice. There is an odd issue with Calc which I initially thought was corrected but, as I now remember, I think the fix was only a partial one. When using Calc, I am able to easily navigate from one cell to the next using arrow keys and NVDA reads the contents of the cell if "report table cell coordinates is enabled in the Document Settings dialog. However, when I open a new workbook at that point, NVDA may read the first two cells but then stops reading as I move arrow keys. If I alt-tab to the last open window and then alt-tab back into the workbook, cells are read normally as I use arrow keys. Window-Eyes 9.3 still causes Writer and Calc to crash when they are opened. When running Window-Eyes, the first time I opened Writer it told me that Writer crashed and would save recovered files but subsequent attempts to open Writer yield no output. It's as if the program never opened. This behavior occurred with a previous version of Window-Eyes and I will therefore report this to AI Squared, the developer of this particular screen reader. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Windows LO with JAWS
This is distressing. Several years ago, JAWS was working reasonably well with LibreOffice, if my memory is correct, but I have also encountered the same problem with more recent versions. As you say, NVDA offers much better support. While NVDA has been my screen reader of choice for nine years I would encourage users of JAWS to contact VFO at supp...@vfo.com to let them know your feelings regarding the lack of support being offered by JAWS for this excellent suite. David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com On 5/4/2018 2:59 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Bryen Yunashko wrote ... A couple of months ago, I installed LibreOffice and had great difficulty because often when I started up LO, Jaws would stop working and then restart itself. A number of buttons and fields didn't work either. So, I put it aside for a while. This week I decided to try again and asked someone to update the latest LO as the inplace update button wasn't accessible for me. Now, when I start LO, it does not even speak anything. It is completely "hidden." But I know LO is actually running because I will randomly type some text, then press Alt+F4 to close the program and I get a prompt to save or discard my file. But while LO is open, nothing works. No menu button, tabs, arrow keys, nothing. Is this a known problem? Completely normal... LibreOffice implements a native Windows accessibility bridge based on the opensource IAccessible2 API Reference: http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/ Unfortunately for JAWS users Freedom Scientific has never seen fit to implement modular support for IA2, so the short answer is it is known and JAWS willl not work with LibreOffice. You will need to install NVDA as a free and open source Windows backup to JAWS. The screen reader navigation is a bit different--but fidelity of IA2 accessible content is much better. LibreOffice accessible event based support is pretty complete--and its screen review/Graphics API "screen scraping" rounds things out. Available here: https://www.nvaccess.org/ Let us know how you make out. -- Sent from: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Accessibility-f2006038.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Using Libre office with the Jaws screen Reader
Hi. I wanted to report that I have been using LibreOffice off and on with JAWS 2020 with good success. I have recently used JAWS with LibreOffice version 7 and it works quite well. Admittedly, you're going to get the best accessibility experience with Microsoft 365 but LibreOffice, at least Writer and Calc, will work reasonably well with JAWS 2020. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org On 9/21/2020 2:07 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Hi Chantal, Sorry, unfortunately JAWS has no support for the IAccessible2 based accessible event API that is implemented in LibreOffice. You would have to shift to the NVDA screen reader on Windows, or to a Linux with its ORCA screen reader to use LibreOffice. If you remain with JAWS, it has support for the Microsoft UIA API used in later Office product offerings. As does the NVDA screen reader. Stuart -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Accessibility-f2006038.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Using Libre office with the Jaws screen Reader
Chantal, For heading styles you can press control 1 for a level 1 heading, control-2 for a level 2 heading, etc. You can do this for heading levels up to 5. When you read the line of text with the new heading JAWS will verify your change by announcing the heading level before the line of text, just as it does for Web pages. As an example, if the line of text contains a level 1 heading and contains the text "hello" you would hear, "heading level 1, hello." For some reason pressing insert-F to speak the font and formatting dialog does not correctly identify the correct heading level. I will alert Vispero about this bug. Opening and saving documents is similar to other text editors. Ctrl-O can be used to open files, ctrl-S for saving, etc. Let me know if you need specific help with this. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org On 9/21/2020 1:50 PM, chantal hampson wrote: Hi all, I am a new member of the list so sorry if these Topics have been covered previously. I am totally blind and use the Jaws Screen Reader now I am aware that Libre office works with NVDA but doesreg it work with Jaws. I have been on the accessibility page but it didn't mention Jaws anywhere if it does work has anyone got any tutorials they could recommend to get me started I just want to open word docx files in writer, add text and then save them on my pen drive. I would also need to quickly insert heading styles in my docs file using writer is there a quick easy alternative then f6 to get to the format tooll bar as this is one of the features I will use on a regular basis. Many thanks for all your help in advance Kind regards Chantal -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Using Libre office with the Jaws screen Reader
Hello. I should add that many years ago it was true that JAWS did not support LibreOffice very well and, at that time, NVDA was definitely a better screen reader to be using. However, over time this has changed. Chantal, I'm afraid that I don't have the specific answers to your questions as I am only a casual user of Writer and have used it to perform what some would rightfully consider to be very basic editing. I don't know if a tutorial exists which is geared toward users of screen readers. I would be more than willing to participate in such a project if I improve my Writer skills as I really believe in what the Document Foundation is doing and have always appreciated their work since LibreOffice was first launched. I have a background in product training and support and have written professional documentation in the past and so assisting with a tutorial for visually impaired user is something which appeals to me. And if I ever do work on such a tutorial I promise not to write the type of run-on sentences that you see in this message. It is a bad habit of mine. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org On 9/23/2020 11:35 PM, David Goldfield wrote: Hi. I wanted to report that I have been using LibreOffice off and on with JAWS 2020 with good success. I have recently used JAWS with LibreOffice version 7 and it works quite well. Admittedly, you're going to get the best accessibility experience with Microsoft 365 but LibreOffice, at least Writer and Calc, will work reasonably well with JAWS 2020. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org On 9/21/2020 2:07 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Hi Chantal, Sorry, unfortunately JAWS has no support for the IAccessible2 based accessible event API that is implemented in LibreOffice. You would have to shift to the NVDA screen reader on Windows, or to a Linux with its ORCA screen reader to use LibreOffice. If you remain with JAWS, it has support for the Microsoft UIA API used in later Office product offerings. As does the NVDA screen reader. Stuart -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Accessibility-f2006038.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-accessibility] Accessibility Regressions Observed With Writer 7.5.1 and JAWS 2023
Hello. Using Windows 11 22H2, the February update to JAWS 2023 and LibreOffice 7.5.1. I just upgraded from LO 7.4 to 7.5.1 and I have noticed two accessibility regressions with Writer and JAWS which make using Writer a total blocker for JAWS users. 1. JAWS no longer reads text when navigating in a document using standard navigation commands, such as left arrow, right arrow, down arrow, etc. JAWS just announces "edit" or is totally silent. This problem does not usually occur using NVDA 2023.1 RC1. However, I have seen this behavior occur once or twice. If I restart NVDA and move focus away from and then back to Writer once or twice the problem goes away and navigation works as expected. 2. When navigating in a pull-down menu JAWS is silent and no longer reads the item that has focus. Example: press alt+T for the Tools menu and press down arrow to navigate in this menu. JAWS is now silent when moving from one item to the next. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist <https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification> <https://certification.nvaccess.org/> NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: <mailto:tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io> tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io <http://www.DavidGoldfield.com> www.DavidGoldfield.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-accessibility] Accessibility Regressions Observed With Writer 7.5.1 and JAWS 2023
Hello. Using Windows 11 22H2, the February update to JAWS 2023 and LibreOffice 7.5.1. I just upgraded from LO 7.4 to 7.5.1 and I have noticed two accessibility regressions with Writer and JAWS which make using Writer a total blocker for JAWS users. 1. JAWS no longer reads text when navigating in a document using standard navigation commands, such as left arrow, right arrow, down arrow, etc. JAWS just announces "edit" or is totally silent. This problem does not usually occur using NVDA 2023.1 RC1. However, I have seen this behavior occur once or twice. If I restart NVDA and move focus away from and then back to Writer once or twice the problem goes away and navigation works as expected. 2. When navigating in a pull-down menu JAWS is silent and no longer reads the item that has focus. Example: press alt+T for the Tools menu and press down arrow to navigate in this menu. JAWS is now silent when moving from one item to the next. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist [JAWS Certified, 2022]<https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification> NVDA Certified Expert<https://certification.nvaccess.org/> Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io<mailto:tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io> www.DavidGoldfield.com<http://www.DavidGoldfield.com> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Accessibility Regressions Observed With Writer 7.5.1 and JAWS 2023
Hello. As of yesterday JAWS 2023 is now reading text in the manner expected when navigating a Writer document using arrow key navigation. From the changelog: Resolved an issue with JAWS not reading text entered into a document in LibreOffice Writer. https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Fusion/FusionWhatsNew#enhancements David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io www.DavidGoldfield.com -Original Message- From: Michael Weghorn Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2023 7:18 AM To: David Goldfield ; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Accessibility Regressions Observed With Writer 7.5.1 and JAWS 2023 On 2023-05-07 05:23, David Goldfield wrote: > Michael Weghorn wrote: >> (I'd suggest to either query for the toolkit name, which is "VCL" or >> support not just "LibreOffice" as app name, but also >> "LibreOfficeDev", which is the > name that the development version uses, and app names for > vendor-specific LibreOffice derivatives.) Can you please report that to > JAWS/Freedom Scientific (and keep this mailing list up to date on the > outcome)? > > Done. It took me a while to do this for reasons not relevant to this list. I > received a very prompt response from FS which said: > > "This is Nicki. this has actually been reported to our development > department, so hopefully, it will be fixed soon." Great, thanks! Michael -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice Calc 7.5.4.2 and NVDA 2023.1: NVDA Not Consistently Announcing Cell Coordinates When Navigating Using Arrow Keys
Michael wrote: >So far, I cannot reproduce this with LibreOffice 7.5.4.2 and NVDA 2023.1. When >I open a new spreadsheet and press the right arrow key, focus moves to cell B1 >and NVDA announces "B1" as expected, etc. >Is this also broken for you (if so, what exactly happens/is announced?) or is >your scenario more complex? At first I was baffled as I was encountering this behavior rather consistently. However, I now understand why you weren't seeing the problem as well as how to correct it. In NVDA's Document Settings I had the "Cell Coordinates" option in the "Table Information" group disabled. Once I enabled this option cell coordinates are being announced correctly in the manner expected. Normally, if this option is disabled you will just hear NVDA announce "cell" instead of the coordinates, such as A1, B1, etc. However, if this option is disabled I think you'll encounter the issue. If you start at cell A1 move to the right a few times and then move back to the left. You should notice that NVDA attempts to read the cell coordinates but often reads the incorrect reference. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice Calc 7.5.4.2 and NVDA 2023.1: NVDA Not Consistently Announcing Cell Coordinates When Navigating Using Arrow Keys
Hello. I wanted to report this in case it's not a known issue. When using arrow keys such as right or left arrow to navigate in a Calc spreadsheet NVDA consistently announces the incorrect cell coordinates. This does not happen with JAWS 2023. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist <https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification> NVDA Certified Expert <https://certification.nvaccess.org/> Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io <mailto:tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io> www.DavidGoldfield.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Accessibility Regressions Observed With Writer 7.5.1 and JAWS 2023
Michael Weghorn wrote:
>(I'd suggest to either query for the toolkit name, which is "VCL" or support
>not just "LibreOffice" as app name, but also "LibreOfficeDev", which is the
name that the development version uses, and app names for vendor-specific
LibreOffice derivatives.)
Can you please report that to JAWS/Freedom Scientific (and keep this mailing
list up to date on the outcome)?
Done. It took me a while to do this for reasons not relevant to this list. I
received a very prompt response from FS which said:
"This is Nicki. this has actually been reported to our development department,
so hopefully, it will be fixed soon."
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
NVDA Certified Expert
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Weghorn
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:28 AM
To: David Goldfield ;
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Accessibility Regressions Observed
With Writer 7.5.1 and JAWS 2023
Hi David,
On 21/03/2023 03.30, David Goldfield wrote:
> I just upgraded from LO 7.4 to 7.5.1 and I have noticed two
> accessibility regressions with Writer and JAWS which make using Writer
> a total blocker for JAWS users.
I can reproduce both issues (more details below).
> 1.JAWS no longer reads text when navigating in a document using
> standard navigation commands, such as left arrow, right arrow, down
> arrow, etc. JAWS just announces "edit" or is totally silent. This
> problem does not usually occur using NVDA 2023.1 RC1. However, I have
> seen this behavior occur once or twice. If I restart NVDA and move
> focus away from and then back to Writer once or twice the problem goes
> away and navigation works as expected.
Bibisecting shows that this starts at this LibreOffice commit:
https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/235b30bdfa76b5c0514c7dfe2a0d13ab8ecf5be2
("wina11y: Report actual app/toolkit name/version")
Before that commit, LibreOffice was for some unknown reason reporting to be an
app called "Hannover" with version number "3.0".
Now, it's reporting the actual app name and version, which I think is the
correct behavior.
(See also the commit message for an example on how to query those values from
NVDA's Python console. Note that this needs a "from IAccessibleHandler import
IA2" in addition before running the given statements to import the required
NVDA Python module.)
My assumption would be that JAWS is still somehow relying on the previously
reported app name and/or version to detect LibreOffice.
If so, that should be changed/fixed in JAWS in my opinion.
(I'd suggest to either query for the toolkit name, which is "VCL" or support
not just "LibreOffice" as app name, but also "LibreOfficeDev", which is the
name that the development version uses, and app names for vendor-specific
LibreOffice derivatives.)
Can you please report that to JAWS/Freedom Scientific (and keep this mailing
list up to date on the outcome)?
Please also mention in case any further input from LibreOffice side should be
needed.
The occasional non-announcement of paragraphs with NVDA (or also Orca on
Linux) is something that I've also experienced from time to time, but I think
that's a different issue and was the case in previous LibreOffice versions
already.
> 2.When navigating in a pull-down menu JAWS is silent and no longer
> reads the item that has focus. Example: press alt+T for the Tools menu
> and press down arrow to navigate in this menu. JAWS is now silent when
> moving from one item to the next.
This starts at this commit and looks like a regression in LibreOffice:
https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/8d8e6c84e512c1a8b33aac75965b84481d1a1d13
("[API CHANGE] Drop css::accessibility::XAccessibleStateSet")
I have created a ticket in Bugzilla to keep track of this:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154303
Michael
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[libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice Writer 24.2.1.2 for Windows: Pressing the Alt Key by Itself No Longer Moves Focus to the Menu Bar
Version: 24.2.1.2 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: db4def46b0453cc22e2d0305797cf981b68ef5ac CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 22631; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US Calc: CL threaded In previous versions pressing the alt key by itself moved focus to the menu bar. While I can still press key combinations such as alt-f to open the File menu pressing just the alt key does nothing. Pressing f10 moves focus to the menu bar but pressing alt is a bit easier. Is this a bug or was it a deliberate change? I can't locate any options in Settings to revert this behavior. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist <https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification> <https://certification.nvaccess.org/> NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: <mailto:tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io> tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io www.DavidGoldfield.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice Writer 24.2.1.2 for Windows: Pressing the Alt Key by Itself No Longer Moves Focus to the Menu Bar
Hi. I'm 99% sure that pressing the alt key by itself did used to move focus to the menu bar. However, I'll check out the master you referenced. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io www.DavidGoldfield.com -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 3:59 PM To: David Goldfield ; LibreOffice Accessibility Group Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice Writer 24.2.1.2 for Windows: Pressing the Alt Key by Itself No Longer Moves Focus to the Menu Bar On 2024-03-04 12:58, David Goldfield wrote: > Version: 24.2.1.2 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community ... > > In previous versions pressing the alt key by itself moved focus to the > menu bar. While I can still press key combinations such as alt-f to > open the File menu pressing just the alt key does nothing. Pressing > f10 moves focus to the menu bar but pressing alt is a bit easier. Is > this a bug or was it a deliberate change? I can't locate any options > in Settings to revert this behavior. > Hi David, Like Jason, but on Windows, key alone has never focused to the main menu with AT enabled. F10, or cycling F6 remains the core keyboard and assistive technology movement. Nothing has changed. Please note thought that for the current master against a 24.8.0 release, handling of the Alt key has been adjusted as for tdf#54169 ( https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54169 ) to follow os/DE settings. Which, with a MS Windows assistive technology tools enabled signal, should toggle enabled with a screen reader in use. You can check a current nightly of master and check for any impact. Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice Writer 24.2.1.2 for Windows: Pressing the Alt Key by Itself No Longer Moves Focus to the Menu Bar
Many thanks, Stuart. No worries and Thank you so much for your service. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscr...@groups.io www.DavidGoldfield.com -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 3:45 PM To: 'LibreOffice Accessibility Group' Cc: David Goldfield Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice Writer 24.2.1.2 for Windows: Pressing the Alt Key by Itself No Longer Moves Focus to the Menu Bar David, * I have to apologize for the noise. I've misremembered the progression. At 5.1 for bug tdf#92630 and handling on GTK3 we'd tweaked the mbEnableAccel and mbAutoAccel to be consistent cross platform. Which for Windows eliminated the key focus onto main menu 'File' with opening of that menu. See won't fix bug tdf#124048 Instead was behaving like and would only focus to the main menu default of 'File', without opening it. Requiring a cursor key between menus, or one of the main menu mnemonics, was now needed. and behaved the same entered from document canvas. Meaning the should toggle to the main menu, and *confirming your observation* of an issue at 24.2.1.2 release. However, at 24.8 for bug tdf#54169 we've cleaned up the UI response to and to follow the SPI_GETKEYBOARDCUES read from MS Windows 'Ease of Access center' action "Underline access keys when available" or from Win11 accessibility settings "Underline access keys". And with that the focus again matches the focus. Will open a Bugzilla issue against 24.2.1 Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
