think you just need to get a role of related accessibles. Do
I miss something?
Nope, I did. Sorry. I forgot there were roles for row header and column
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is that the current
columnHeader/rowHeader interface is a little obscure at best. However,
I'd be happy with new dedicated methods. Unfortunately, adding methods
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the old interface and
just add the new methods to the subclassed interface, rather than
replacing it altogether. See MSHTML for example.
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behaviour. This may be one of
those cases where it's simpler to leave it alone. Having said that, I'd
certainly be happy with an array.
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this relation as well. On the another
hand new relation will keep IA2 and ATK more closely what is good in
general.
While NVDA doesn't really have a use for this at present, I think it
makes sense for the sake of symmetry if nothing else.
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paragraph should be used.
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implemented. Are there
any other options that indicate that this particular request isn't
implemented?
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this in reverse; i.e. any embedded objects at the end
of the text have their own range. In this case, offsets 0 through 11
would return (0, 12). Offsets 12 through 22 would return (12, 23).
Offset 23 would return (23, 24).
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On 15/04/2010 8:36 PM, Alexander Surkov wrote:
Jamie, how many targets should AT request to get all of them from
IEnumVariant?
I think we will probably still need to have a getRelationCount or
similar which accepts an optional relation type.
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do this in reverse; i.e. any embedded objects at the end
of the text have their own range. In this case, offsets 0 through 11
would return (0, 12). Offsets 12 through 22 would return (12, 23).
Offset 23 would return (23, 24).
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if it is going to happen.
Alex, if this is going to affect ATK as well, we should probably pull
Joanie and maybe others into the discussion.
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if necessary, but no production implementation
currently requires this, so I'm wondering whether this aspect of the
spec needs to change.
Thanks.
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)[*)[plain)[*)[*)[bold)[*)[bold)[*).
[This] suggestion is quicker supposedly if
we don't think about method call cost
I assume you mean quicker on the app side? I don't think it would ever
be quicker on the AT side.
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attributes makes sense for normal text
only.
Agreed.
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solution is to watch for WM_GETOBJECT and enable
accessibility APIs dynamically.
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it wouldn't send the message. Regardless of whether
it is an AT, it is requesting the info for a reason. The accessibility
hierarchy is not supposed to be specific to any particular type of AT;
it should just expose objects according to the spec.
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GUI
because someone is using an AT.
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software need it to disable events.
Unfortunately, getting such software to support this API in a timely
fashion is going to be tricky at best.
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of representing a document; i.e. Symphony's object per paragraph
approach and Gecko's hierarchy of embedded objects approach. ATs need
to move away from special casing for every different application and
this would not help in that move.
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time that Firefox 4 doesn't have.
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Event subscription.
That's hardly going to make it into a point release. Also, as Mick
pointed out, what about IsWinEventHookInstalled()?
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with
the idea of checkable table cells. These could just as well be treated
as a checkbox within a table cell.
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about how the data is accessed and processed by the browser.
I'd argue we should be concerned about both, rather than only thinking
about the majority use case. As I understand it, IA2 wasn't designed to
be in-process only, otherwise there wouldn't be official proxy dlls.
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description causes. Braille could be a nice way
of silently accessing the descriptions. However, as I noted before, I
think a scrolling transcript is the best way to do this. The user can
always disable scrolling if they wish or scroll back to read something
they missed.
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is fairly inefficient. I'm thinking something similar to the
proposed relations change.
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What do you think of using
IAAction::doAction with IA2 specified negative numbers
That sounds good to me. I'm guessing IAccessible::doAction will throw
E_INVALIDARG if the requested action is not available?
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at all. Perhaps this sentence neds
to be amended slightly to make it clear that this is only relevant to
servers which choose to expose content via IAccessibleText.
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is true if the server prefers the use of the accessible name
over the text from IAccessibleText::text.
Return values:
S_OK
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another list? It makes more sense to make the original list (and its
items) focusable. Pasting would then insert at the position of the focus.
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in-process, but unless your assertion is true, the addition of new
methods like this should be avoided. NVDA uses IA2 both out-of-process
and in-process. I think this in-process only principle needs to be
clarified, as it has come up several times in various discussions.
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special
than, say, flowsTo or labelledBy? I guess it doesn't fit relations
entirely, as it isn't strictly related so much as state information.
If that argument is consensus, fair enough.
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of the word and therefore document
operations (such as fetching the most recent target) don't apply to
them. However, perhaps I'm being too literal. I don't really mind either
way.
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, but it does allow for a bit of
flexibility.
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with
requestedTargets=1. If there are no targets, nTargets would be 0 and the
targets array would be empty or NULL. If there is at least one target,
nTargets would be 1 and the targets array would contain one entry.
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, but if that is
the case, grabbed shouldn't be included either.
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On 22/02/2012 6:54 PM, Alexander Surkov wrote:
The proposed document accessible concept is close to DOM document. ...
One example was get_accChild that can return child accessible
by uniqueID.
True
specific, so probably shouldn't be included in the IA2 spec. Maybe
a note is needed to explain that browsers might expose more values, though.
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it'd be better to write The value can be
either ascending or descending and indicates the order in which an
object's items are sorted.
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on
aria-relevant.
Perhaps this text might work:
True when this live region (i.e. this object and its subtree) should be
presented as a whole when relevant changes occur within it.
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with EnumVariant at all but we added maxCount
'in' argument. Should we have it here as well?
We could do that. The question is whether an AT is ever going to want to
retrieve anything other than one or all hyperlinks. I can only come up
with use cases for one or all.
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specific characters in a text leaf node.
Thanks,
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to allow it for ancestors, the
method should probably also return the relevant ancestor.
Alex, can you explain why using IAccessibleHyperlink breaks backwards
compatibility as opposed to adding this new method?
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IAccessibleHypertext wouldn't return
the text leaf nodes. See notes on hack below.
pure IAccessibleHyperlink on text leafs
is rather a hack than it suites them well.
It's a total hack. However, imo, this whole idea is a hack. :)
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given that IAccessibleHyper* should really
cover this, but at least it's an isolated hack.
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or before September last year when you released the initial version of
1.3 for review.
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implicit. It isn't
something I considered while writing NVDA's IA2 attributes parser, so it
won't handle this without changes. It's probably reasonable that others
may not have considered it either.
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On 9/07/2013 5:13 PM, James Teh wrote:
Now, the
IDL includes Accessible2.idl before AccessibleRelation.idl, which breaks
because IAccessible2 depends on IAccessibleRelation.
Alex: I'm curious as to why you didn't hit this issue at Mozilla. Does
Mozilla use the official merged IDL or do you
On 16/07/2013 11:09 PM, Pete Brunet wrote:
The site is now updated:
http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/
Hopefully buildapi.sh and ia2_api_all.idl are OK now.
The idl is now correct. Thanks!
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as IA2_ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON
IOW if you are ever to use a pressed state then you should change the
role to IA2_ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON
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Rich
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this issue.
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something obvious here?
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Not yet implemented though.
One concern with that though is that you can only fetch one attribute at
a time if you use it, which is nasty for out-proc usage.
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pretty
difficult to come up with interfaces for those that make any real sense
aside from their method names.
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in my text.
My apologies for the misunderstanding.
Jamie
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But it's *not* the start of the range. And if you're going to say
start and end, you may as well rename anchor and active to start and
end. :)
Jamie
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all states because the server side
penalty is far less than the penalty of multiple cross-proc calls.
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sense
to go through the trouble of introducing a new state.
Just a correction, though: aria-autocomplete does expose
IA2_STATE_SUPPORTS_AUTOCOMPLETION; at least, it does in Firefox.
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. That certainly is a problem, yes.
I guess another solution could be to extend IAccessibleTableCell to
provide a way to get to the next cell in a given direction. I *think*
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with your algorithm.
then try column x in that row, and if that fails, navigate to the
first cell in that row.
We never want to fall back to the first column like that. If a user
moves down a row, they expect to move down a row, not down and across
(excepting column spans).
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platform, then I guess the
justification is the desire to keep our completely different platforms
as aligned as possible. And if you accept ROLE_LANDMARK, the next time
one of us has to compromise/give in, it will be my turn.
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I don't
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>> --joanie
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>>> On 02/23/2016 06:03 PM, James Teh wrote:
>>> Sounds great. I'm happy with this mapping.
>>>
>>> Would this message be included in the concatenated description string
>>> fo
.
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the impression that my
original proposal was not seen as acceptable, and because you suggested
a new relation type:
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-February/002019.html
--joanie
On 04/11/2016 08:18 PM, James Teh wrote:
On 12/04/2016 3:26 AM, Joanmarie Diggs
ltip when the
user mouses over the control. A corollary is that the error message
conveys a sense of urgency or obligation -- something needs to be fixed
-- whereas the description does not.
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Hi guys,
Sorry for the delay in responding. I needed to find time to sit down and
digest all of this. :)
1. Alex, your (thorough) outline of how this should work looks correct
to me and is what I intended. Thanks.
2. Moving to the first cell in the table is easily achieved by
or screen readers to be as robust as possible at
> dealing with sparse tables using existing APIs. Then if we also want to add
> additional APIs to make this faster and easier, that's great too.
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:50 PM James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org> wrote:
>
>> I supp
nd will be back from
vacation next week.
Best,
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -
From: James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, surkov.alexan...@gmail.com
Cc: accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org, jdi...@igali
l often have content in it,
including links, that the user may need to navigate to to get help
about the error. The aria referenced error messages are all required
to be visible to apply the relatinship.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -----
From: James Teh <ja...@nvacce
is that it has not gone a
way but rather it is going to this new preferred mapping.
Best,
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
On Aug 23, 2016, at 7:35 PM, James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org
<mailto:ja...@nvaccess.org>> wrote:
If you believe that role="form" has no semant
up
3 working groups - ARIA, HTML, and SVG.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
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Subject: Re: Agreement on concatenation of aria-descr
will definitely pay dividends for assistive technology users.
Would each of you weigh in. Again this is now holding up 3 working
groups going on 3 weeks now. Do we agree on not concatenating the two
strings?
Rich
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