Re: [AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

2019-01-24 Thread Tim Withrow via AF
Most describe it as breaking  into it, or opening it midspan On Thursday, January 24, 2019 Chris Fabien wrote: "Access to strands at any existing splice point or slack storage" Expect to pay for their splicer to come do the splices for you.  On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 1:16 PM Erich Kaiser wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Bill Prince
Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Joe Novak
Use wifi calling all the time now with Google Fi. Work, home, everywhere. It roams on and off it pretty damn well too. My experience with Verizon's implementation left a lot to be desired because they mostly preferred the cell phone network, even when you obviously didn't have a reliable

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Darin Steffl
I've used a data only sim in Croatia before. It was unlimited data for something cheap like $15 for 10 days. What I don't understand is why people are using whatsapp? No one I know uses it but everyone I know has Facebook and with messenger and you can chat, call, and video message. So why go out

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread SmarterBroadband
I have ATT and do the $10 a day thing. It then uses whatever plan you have in the USA for calls and data. I like to have a working phone and data. Make calls, send texts, use nav, all easy and no worries. Adam -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread SmarterBroadband
Mark, you can do $10 a day for the convenience Adam From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:49 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use Bill, Yeah, that's

[AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

2019-01-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Anybody here still using ads in the print Yellow Pages? If yes, do you have any metrics to say if they are working? Our ad in 2 yellow books is up for renewal, I think it's only about $100 per month total, so it would be worth it if we got maybe 1-2 new customers per year. But as far as I

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Oh, right, that was another complaint I got from a handful of people trying to use WiFi calling, their text messages didn’t come through. I figured that was because SMS uses the control channel on the cell tower and so maybe you shouldn’t expect it to work. Like people just assume that you

Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

2019-01-24 Thread Tim Withrow via AF
I thought people only use those to start the fireplace now On Thursday, January 24, 2019 Sean Heskett wrote: waste of money. spend the $100/mo on boosting a facebook post and you'll get WAY more new subs than you would get in a whole year or two of phone book ads. On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:29

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Move to Google Fi and you can large be done with worrying about international phone usage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use Bill, Yeah, that's verizon's pay as you go rate. $10/day adds up quick.  Doing some research, I can get some European data only sim's for about $35 for 30 days with about 8GB of data.  8GB should be good enough for keeping up to date with whatsapp

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
I find it interesting that Google is shutting down Google Hangouts to replace it with a Slack clone. If Slack is what you want, why not just use Slack? From: AF On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:33 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

2019-01-24 Thread Tim Alexander
You probably want to look at some of the intel high write endurance SSD's if you're concerned about writes. For example the intel S4610is rated at 6 PBW (6,000 TB) or roughly 3 DWPD. Intel P series or optane based products have far higher endurance but cost is a lot higher. Tim Alexander

Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

2019-01-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Facebook seems kind of like PaintNite, great if you want a 5:1 female:male ratio. At least looking at who comments or likes our posts. If it’s a guy, chances are it’s somebody from the industry not a customer. Not really complaining, since in most homes it seems the man may wear the pants

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread chuck
I just use my iPhone with its AT account. I call AT and have them turn on international calling. Never had a problem. International data is spendy. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:38 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

2019-01-24 Thread SmarterBroadband
I think PRO drives have many more writes. Talking Samsung…. Adam From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD The only issue with SSDs is the

[AFMUG] Packetflux Rack Injector cacti template

2019-01-24 Thread Sean Heskett
Hello, Has anyone made a cacti template for the new Rack Injector from packetflux that they'd like to share? Thanks, Sean -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Trey Scarborough
I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have been the included international roaming data connection has worked descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service would probably

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use Ken, Was on a Royal Caribbean Cruise over the New Year.  Signed up for their ship Internet package and used WiFi calling.  Didn't have any issues.  Texts worked find and I had no problem dialing into my voice mail to check messages. -- Best

[AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been recently. Last time I was overseas there were no cell phones. I'm trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage. So far looks like my best option is to get a data only sim and use whatsapp. That seems to

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Somebody mentioned WiFi calling, does that really work OK for you, even domestically? I don’t use it, but the only time I hear it mentioned is when a WISP customer calls complaining about WiFi calling, usually dropped or one-way calls, but that everything else on their Internet connection

Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

2019-01-24 Thread Sean Heskett
waste of money. spend the $100/mo on boosting a facebook post and you'll get WAY more new subs than you would get in a whole year or two of phone book ads. On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:29 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Anybody here still using ads in the print Yellow Pages? If yes, do you > have any

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread David Coudron
We have done the $10 a day the last couple of times in Europe. Works pretty well but there is a limited amount of high speed data per day and then they slow it down for the rest of the day to 3G. Just have to be careful. Regards, David Coudron From: AF on

Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

2019-01-24 Thread chuck
NO. Got suckered into a personal visit by a rep promising sales and hits and visits etc. Total waste of money. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:27 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody? Anybody here still using ads

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
What Trey says. I go international every couple of months. T-Mobile has free texting and data internationally. Works fine for my emailing, what’s apping, and google maps needs. Plus I get free WiFi while I’m flying on delta for free :). Then I just make WiFi calls from the place I stay and it’s

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Google has been trying to shut down Hangouts for years, but their replacements always suck. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Mike Hammett
https://fi.google.com/about/international-rates/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:42:43 PM

Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

2019-01-24 Thread Mike Hammett
WiFi calling can work just fine. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:49:52 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Propane Tank Remote Level Monitoring

2019-01-24 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Some are. Others are hall effect sensors which need 5v and output a voltage. I've had some customers hook up the output of these to a voltmeter or shunt input with reasonable results.What I've had in the queue is a module set up specifically for these sensors and which reports percent

Re: [AFMUG] Propane Tank Remote Level Monitoring

2019-01-24 Thread Chuck McCown
It it not just a 0-200ohm sensor? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2019, at 11:04 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > wrote: > > Holy cow, it looks like I should get around to finishing up the $59+sensor > ($50ish) add-on module for the sitemonitor system > > Didn't realize these

Re: [AFMUG] Propane Tank Remote Level Monitoring

2019-01-24 Thread Jesse DuPont
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[AFMUG] FCC small cell order

2019-01-24 Thread chuck
I have not read the order, or if I did it has been some time. I know it essentially preempts local governments and allows cell sites on almost all power poles or something similar to that. Is it broad enough that WISPS can use it? Seems like it was. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

2019-01-24 Thread chuck
That was my memory of it too. From: David Coudron Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:25 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order Hi, >From everything I am reading, it doesn’t differentiate between types of >wireless equipment. Size can’t exceed

Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

2019-01-24 Thread Mathew Howard
Anybody got a link to the actual order, or at least a summary? I'd like to read it... On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:38 AM wrote: > That was my memory of it too. > > *From:* David Coudron > *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:25 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]

[AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

2019-01-24 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Setting up a new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs HDD. This is a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives. Last one I setup I just used 1TB WD RED 2.5" drives. Now that the price of SDD has dropped, I was thinking about using SSD over the HDD. Most likely going to be a

Re: [AFMUG] I did it

2019-01-24 Thread SmarterBroadband
 -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:39 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] I did it This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer. Boots to the login screen in about 15

Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

2019-01-24 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
Um. Let me think. NO, in fact, unless you need storage, SSDs are the way to go. Just simply faster. Not larger, heck I think they got 12tb drives out now, but still. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc

Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

2019-01-24 Thread Adam Moffett
Write endurance is still a thing.  Just be sure to compare specs. DWPD is the simple number to go by.  If they don't publish a DWPD on the spec sheet that probably means you don't want to know. -Adam On 1/24/2019 12:02 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: Setting up a new server and

Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

2019-01-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Not unless the alternative is hot-plug SAS drives. I like being able to notice the red light on a failed drive and just pop in a spare, not sure if there is an equivalent method with SSDs. Also not sure if you can get the SMART stats from an SSD, or how much that is worth, since I’ve never

Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

2019-01-24 Thread chuck
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-facilitates-wireless-infrastructure-deployment-5g From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:40 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order Anybody got a link to the actual order, or at least a summary? I'd like

Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

2019-01-24 Thread Sam Lambie
Yep, LibreNMS makes me look smart. Thanks for the suggestions folks. On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 7:14 AM Steve wrote: > Librenms for the win. It simply works. The new alerting is coming along > nicely too, so it is "almost" getting into the territory where you could > take cacti and nagios and

Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

2019-01-24 Thread Josh Baird
Nope. On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Setting up a new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs > HDD. This is a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives. Last one I setup I > just used 1TB WD RED 2.5" drives. Now that the price of SDD has >

[AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

2019-01-24 Thread Adam Moffett
I want to request an IRU where we pigtail out of one of their splice cases somewhere in between the A and Z end. I want to stick an OADM in the middle to serve just one or two properties that happen to lie in the middle of the run.  So I'll need them to cut their two fibers, splice 4 times

Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

2019-01-24 Thread Joe Novak
Something fun I remembered reading a few years ago, I wonder if anyone has ran a test like this again? https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:44 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Not unless the alternative is hot-plug SAS drives. I

Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

2019-01-24 Thread Bill Prince
The only issue with SSDs is the write endurance, and most of them now have a certain percentage of spare cells to stave that off for a while. They generally won't go toes up all at once, but will lose cells, or blocks of cells at some point. You will get more endurance if you oversize them to

Re: [AFMUG] I did it

2019-01-24 Thread Bill Prince
My chromebook from power on to ready to use is about 8 seconds. Takes me longer to type my password. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:40 PM wrote: > This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer. Boots to > the > login screen in about 15 seconds,

Re: [AFMUG] I did it

2019-01-24 Thread chuck
I don’t know anything about Chromebooks. I need the ability to pull pdfs off of the OTDR, edit the PDF with Adobe (combine individual fiber test reports into a consolidated report), the write that to a jump drive. And we want to use a regular keyboard and mouse. And run windows 10 etc.

Re: [AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

2019-01-24 Thread Erich Kaiser
Existing Splice Point. On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:11 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > They already have a closure there, so I think it's already been ring > cut. Just need them to add a pigtail in the middle. > > .I think I just answered my own question. Thanks.. > > > > On 1/24/2019 1:03

Re: [AFMUG] I did it

2019-01-24 Thread Adam Moffett
Chromebook is just a laptop running Android. They are cheap, simple, and fastbut if you need something that runs on Windows then you're SOL. -Adam On 1/24/2019 1:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I don’t know anything about Chromebooks. I need the ability to pull pdfs off of the OTDR, edit

Re: [AFMUG] I did it

2019-01-24 Thread Bill Prince
Doing the PDFs yes. The Windows 10 thing is too non-specific to say. Chrome OS has evolved into a VM host kind of environment, and you can do more with it than most people realize. Overall, it is mainly simpler and less fiddly than Windows 10, or even a Mac for that matter. It is also faster doing

Re: [AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

2019-01-24 Thread Chris Fabien
"Access to strands at any existing splice point or slack storage" Expect to pay for their splicer to come do the splices for you. On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 1:16 PM Erich Kaiser Existing Splice Point. > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:11 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > >> They already have a