date:20190820


  
  
Put this on it.

https://hipwallpaper.com/view/fNQdBY
bp



On 8/20/2019 7:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
> Roku, Twinkie,  Camera, Slim Jim
and Cell Phone
 
Friends of
Timmy, PJ and Squee? 
Or Sarah
Palin’s kids?
Or drug
dealers coming to Maine like D-Money, Smoothie and Shifty.
Maybe just
rapper names.
 
 

  
From: AF
 On Behalf Of Chuck
McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest,
Ring, etc.)
  

 

  IMHO,
  thugs are thugs because they lack the intelligence and /
  or the self discipline to learn something valuable like
  IT.  I would guess they could not pick an NVR out of a
  collection of a Roku, Twinkie,  Camera, Slim Jim and Cell
  Phone.  


  

   


  
From: Bill
Prince 
  
  
Sent:
Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:32 PM
  
  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
  
  
Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
  

  
  
 
  

Plus they're easy to hide.
bp

 

  On
  8/20/2019 6:28 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


  
For the
average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is real high on
the threat list.
  
  
 
  
  

  On
  Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM Daniel White 
  wrote:


  

  Problem
  with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you
  can easily walk away with the evidence.  If the
  video is in the cloud... you have it up till they
  destroy the camera or internet connection.
  
 

  

  

  
  

  

  
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  White
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- Business Development &
Operations
  


  
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  Ken
  Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:
  
  
  
Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them.
 
It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the house for data while it's being built.
 
 
-Original Message-

Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

> Roku, Twinkie,  Camera, Slim Jim and Cell Phone

 

Friends of Timmy, PJ and Squee? 

Or Sarah Palin’s kids?

Or drug dealers coming to Maine like D-Money, Smoothie and Shifty.

Maybe just rapper names.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

 

IMHO, thugs are thugs because they lack the intelligence and / or the self 
discipline to learn something valuable like IT.  I would guess they could not 
pick an NVR out of a collection of a Roku, Twinkie,  Camera, Slim Jim and Cell 
Phone.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:32 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

 

Plus they're easy to hide.

bp

 

On 8/20/2019 6:28 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

For the average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is real high on the threat list.

 

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > wrote:

Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk away 
with the evidence.  If the video is in the cloud... you have it up till they 
destroy the camera or internet connection.

 


  

 


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Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations


phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770



Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:



Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may 
sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside 
and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the 
cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I guess the 
privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" 
somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and 
Google snooping on them.
 
It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an 
Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital 
cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable is 
so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the 
house for data while it's being built.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
 
Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service
 
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired 
of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s 
phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when they are away, 
they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away 
from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is 
at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go 
over cellular to the phone.
 
 
 
Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
black screens, etc.
 
 
 
Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up 
to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is 
away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that 
you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back?
 
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[AFMUG] Webmin zero day - patch now

I got alerted to this on another list, thought I'd pass it on in case
anybody here is using webmin.

 

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/19/webmin_project_zero_day_patch/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

IMHO, thugs are thugs because they lack the intelligence and / or the self 
discipline to learn something valuable like IT.  I would guess they could not 
pick an NVR out of a collection of a Roku, Twinkie,  Camera, Slim Jim and Cell 
Phone.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

Plus they're easy to hide.

bp

On 8/20/2019 6:28 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  For the average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is real high on the threat 
list.

  On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM Daniel White  wrote:

Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk 
away with the evidence.  If the video is in the cloud... you have it up till 
they destroy the camera or internet connection.

 Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations 
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770

Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:

Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may 
sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside 
and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the 
cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I guess the 
privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" 
somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and 
Google snooping on them.

It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an 
Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital 
cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable is 
so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the 
house for data while it's being built.

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired 
of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s 
phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when they are away, 
they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away 
from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is 
at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go 
over cellular to the phone.

Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
black screens, etc.

Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up 
to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is 
away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that 
you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back?

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Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)


  
  
Plus they're easy to hide.

bp



On 8/20/2019 6:28 PM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  For the average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is
real high on the threat list.
  
  
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM
  Daniel White  wrote:


  
Problem with
  NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk
  away with the evidence.  If the video is in the cloud...
  you have it up till they destroy the camera or internet
  connection.
  

  

  
  

  

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White
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  - Business Development &
  Operations


  phone: +1 (702)
470-2766
  direct: +1 (702)
470-2770
  

  

  

  

  
  Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:
  
Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them.

It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the house for data while it's being built.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go over cellular to the phone.



Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, black screens, etc.



Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back?

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Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

2019-08-20 Thread Lewis Bergman

For the average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is real high on the threat
list.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk
> away with the evidence.  If the video is in the cloud... you have it up
> till they destroy the camera or internet connection.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
> Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:
>
> Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may 
> sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, 
> inside and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing 
> for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I 
> guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the 
> cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and 
> Facebook and Google snooping on them.
>
> It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an 
> Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital 
> cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable 
> is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire 
> the house for data while it's being built.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF   On Behalf Of 
> Andrew Haninger
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
>
> Here's a good thread that recently came up on 
> /.https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof  
>  wrote:
>
> Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m 
> tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the 
> customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when 
> they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s 
> butt walking away from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth 
> when the customer is at home, for the data to go 
> house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go over cellular to the phone.
>
>
>
> Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
> everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
> black screens, etc.
>
>
>
> Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set 
> up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer 
> is away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric 
> that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and 
> back?
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Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

I remember a box on the porch that the milk guy would use.  Seems like you 
could get ice cream and ice cream sandwiches from him too.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 5:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

Our house used to have a door for coal, but not for milk.  We had milk 
delivered until recently, but they gave us a picnic style cooler to leave on 
the porch for it.  Glass bottles.  No pogs though.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:49 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

One of my boyhood homes had a compartment in the wall between the kitchen 
and the front porch. Once or twice a week, milk, cream, butter, and other 
dairy products would show up, and we'd just take it out and stick it in the 
fridge. There was a clip on the door that held an ordering slip. We'd just 
check the items we wanted and viola! they were there.

I did a street view on the old house, and that compartment is still there; 
60+ years later.

bp

On 8/20/2019 9:38 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I am actually old enough to remember milk delivery.  The milk could
magically appear on a wall on the side of the house each morning.

Cameron Crum wrote:

That's funny, I live in a neighborhood that had many homes built in
the 19-teens and 1920's. Most of them have doors for ice delivery,
milk, and other things. What was once old is new again.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:44 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

But it won't actually pick up the pizza piece and put it in your
mouth?  How are you supposed to eat with a  game controller in
your hand?

Isn't this one of the units which spectacularly caught fire and
was burning on a sidewalk a couple months ago?

On 8/20/2019 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Now robots will bring them pizza? I occasionally delivered pizzas
when I was in college, it’s a challenge to make several
deliveries without the pizza getting cold, I don’t see how a 4
mph robot can  do it.  Plus it can’t climb stairs.

I like this part:

“building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door
just for the robots, much like cat owner would include a door
flap for their pet”

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20812184/starship-delivery-robot-expansion-college-campus

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Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

Oh yeah. Glass bottles with the neck filled with cream. You could pour 
the cream out, or you could stick in a butter knife and stir to make it 
"homogenized".



bp


On 8/20/2019 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Our house used to have a door for coal, but not for milk.  We had milk 
delivered until recently, but they gave us a picnic style cooler to leave on 
the porch for it.  Glass bottles.  No pogs though.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:49 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

One of my boyhood homes had a compartment in the wall between the kitchen and 
the front porch. Once or twice a week, milk, cream, butter, and other dairy 
products would show up, and we'd just take it out and stick it in the fridge. 
There was a clip on the door that held an ordering slip. We'd just check the 
items we wanted and viola! they were there.

I did a street view on the old house, and that compartment is still there; 60+ 
years later.


bp


On 8/20/2019 9:38 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I am actually old enough to remember milk delivery.  The milk could
magically appear on a wall on the side of the house each morning.

Cameron Crum wrote:

That's funny, I live in a neighborhood that had many homes built in
the 19-teens and 1920's. Most of them have doors for ice delivery,
milk, and other things. What was once old is new again.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:44 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

 But it won't actually pick up the pizza piece and put it in your
 mouth?  How are you supposed to eat with a  game controller in
 your hand?

 Isn't this one of the units which spectacularly caught fire and
 was burning on a sidewalk a couple months ago?

 On 8/20/2019 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Now robots will bring them pizza? I occasionally delivered pizzas
 when I was in college, it’s a challenge to make several
 deliveries without the pizza getting cold, I don’t see how a 4
 mph robot can  do it.  Plus it can’t climb stairs.

 I like this part:

 “building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door
 just for the robots, much like cat owner would include a door
 flap for their pet”

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20812184/starship-delivery-robot-expansion-college-campus




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Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

Our house used to have a door for coal, but not for milk.  We had milk 
delivered until recently, but they gave us a picnic style cooler to leave on 
the porch for it.  Glass bottles.  No pogs though.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:49 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

One of my boyhood homes had a compartment in the wall between the kitchen and 
the front porch. Once or twice a week, milk, cream, butter, and other dairy 
products would show up, and we'd just take it out and stick it in the fridge. 
There was a clip on the door that held an ordering slip. We'd just check the 
items we wanted and viola! they were there.

I did a street view on the old house, and that compartment is still there; 60+ 
years later.


bp


On 8/20/2019 9:38 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> I am actually old enough to remember milk delivery.  The milk could 
> magically appear on a wall on the side of the house each morning.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
>> That's funny, I live in a neighborhood that had many homes built in 
>> the 19-teens and 1920's. Most of them have doors for ice delivery, 
>> milk, and other things. What was once old is new again.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:44 AM Nate Burke > > wrote:
>>
>> But it won't actually pick up the pizza piece and put it in your
>> mouth?  How are you supposed to eat with a  game controller in
>> your hand?
>>
>> Isn't this one of the units which spectacularly caught fire and
>> was burning on a sidewalk a couple months ago?
>>
>> On 8/20/2019 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Now robots will bring them pizza? I occasionally delivered pizzas
>>> when I was in college, it’s a challenge to make several
>>> deliveries without the pizza getting cold, I don’t see how a 4
>>> mph robot can  do it.  Plus it can’t climb stairs.
>>>
>>> I like this part:
>>>
>>> “building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door
>>> just for the robots, much like cat owner would include a door
>>> flap for their pet”
>>>
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20812184/starship-delivery-robot-expansion-college-campus
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

The individual WiFi cameras streaming to the cloud just isn’t a scalable 
solution.  The cloud service charges per month per camera, and if you have a 
bunch of 4 MP cameras all streaming to the cloud, the upstream data rate is 
unreasonable for most people unless they have fiber or cable Internet, even so, 
they may not have enough upstream because of the asymmetrical bandwidth plans.  
Add the fact that all the outdoor cameras are probably at something like a -89 
WiFi signal and are impacting everything else on the WiFi.  Of course an NVR 
doesn’t fix the WiFi issue, and most people are not going to view running a 
bunch of Cat5 cables as a fun weekend project.  Although before everything went 
to cloud, app, and Internet based, I knew people who would run coax everywhere 
for analog cameras for the system they bought for $200 at Costco.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 5:51 PM
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Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk away 
with the evidence.  If the video is in the cloud... you have it up till they 
destroy the camera or internet connection.

 


  

 


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Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:



Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may 
sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside 
and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the 
cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I guess the 
privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" 
somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and 
Google snooping on them.
 
It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an 
Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital 
cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable is 
so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the 
house for data while it's being built.
 
 
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From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Andrew Haninger
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
 
Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service
 
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof   
 wrote:

Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired 
of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s 
phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when they are away, 
they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away 
from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is 
at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go 
over cellular to the phone.
 
 
 
Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
black screens, etc.
 
 
 
Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up 
to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is 
away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that 
you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back?
 
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Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

One of my boyhood homes had a compartment in the wall between the
kitchen and the front porch. Once or twice a week, milk, cream, butter,
and other dairy products would show up, and we'd just take it out and
stick it in the fridge. There was a clip on the door that held an
ordering slip. We'd just check the items we wanted and viola! they were
there.

I did a street view on the old house, and that compartment is still
there; 60+ years later.

On 8/20/2019 9:38 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I am actually old enough to remember milk delivery. The milk could
magically appear on a wall on the side of the house each morning.

Cameron Crum wrote:
That's funny, I live in a neighborhood that had many homes built in
the 19-teens and 1920's. Most of them have doors for ice delivery,
milk, and other things. What was once old is new again.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:44 AM Nate Burke > wrote:

But it won't actually pick up the pizza piece and put it in your
mouth? How are you supposed to eat with a game controller in
your hand?

Isn't this one of the units which spectacularly caught fire and
was burning on a sidewalk a couple months ago?

On 8/20/2019 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Now robots will bring them pizza? I occasionally delivered pizzas
when I was in college, it’s a challenge to make several
deliveries without the pizza getting cold, I don’t see how a 4
mph robot can do it. Plus it can’t climb stairs.

I like this part:

“building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door
just for the robots, much like cat owner would include a door
flap for their pet”

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20812184/starship-delivery-robot-expansion-college-campus

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Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

2019-08-20 Thread Sam Lambie

I'm looking for 4 of them.

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Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

2019-08-20 Thread Daniel White

Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk 
away with the evidence.  If the video is in the cloud... you have it up 
till they destroy the camera or internet connection.


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Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:

Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like 
a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside  the 
house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows 
notifications and remote viewing.  I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security 
cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK 
with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them.

It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an 
Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital 
cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable is 
so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the 
house for data while it's being built.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired 
of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s 
phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when they are away, 
they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away 
from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is 
at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go 
over cellular to the phone.



Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
black screens, etc.



Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up 
to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is 
away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that 
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Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

2019-08-20 Thread Daniel White


I still get milk delivered :-)

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Jay Weekley wrote on 8/20/19 10:38:
I am actually old enough to remember milk delivery.  The milk could 
magically appear on a wall on the side of the house each morning.


Cameron Crum wrote:
That's funny, I live in a neighborhood that had many homes built in 
the 19-teens and 1920's. Most of them have doors for ice delivery, 
milk, and other things. What was once old is new again.



On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:44 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


    But it won't actually pick up the pizza piece and put it in your
    mouth?  How are you supposed to eat with a  game controller in
    your hand?

    Isn't this one of the units which spectacularly caught fire and
    was burning on a sidewalk a couple months ago?

    On 8/20/2019 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


    Now robots will bring them pizza? I occasionally delivered pizzas
    when I was in college, it’s a challenge to make several
    deliveries without the pizza getting cold, I don’t see how a 4
    mph robot can  do it.  Plus it can’t climb stairs.

    I like this part:

    “building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door
    just for the robots, much like cat owner would include a door
    flap for their pet”

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Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may 
sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside 
and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the 
cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I guess the 
privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" 
somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and 
Google snooping on them.

It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an 
Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital 
cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable is 
so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the 
house for data while it's being built.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m 
> tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the 
> customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when 
> they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s 
> butt walking away from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth 
> when the customer is at home, for the data to go 
> house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go over cellular to the phone.
>
>
>
> Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
> everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
> black screens, etc.
>
>
>
> Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set 
> up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer 
> is away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric 
> that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

It finished in about 4 hours but then immediately undid some or all of it.  Not 
sure what happened therer.

From: James Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

It ran the other day on my PC.  Took about 2 hours on an i7.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

 

Wonder how long I should wait?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Ken Hohhof  
> Obviously your Internet is slow. Call your ISP and complain.
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Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

2019-08-20 Thread Andrew Haninger

Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m 
> tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the 
> customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when 
> they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s 
> butt walking away from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth 
> when the customer is at home, for the data to go 
> house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go over cellular to the phone.
>
>
>
> Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
> everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
> black screens, etc.
>
>
>
> Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set 
> up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer 
> is away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric 
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[AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I'm
tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the
customer's phone when he's sitting in his living room.  I understand when
they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy's
butt walking away from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth
when the customer is at home, for the data to go
house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go over cellular to the
phone.

 

Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if
everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts,
delay, black screens, etc.

 

Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set
up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer
is away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric
that you can't watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and
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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

2019-08-20 Thread Robert


You will know it's done when a window comes up with a bitcoin address...

On 8/20/19 11:42 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Don't worry. It's just encrypting all your files. That can take a while.

bp


On 8/20/2019 10:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

A bit.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Are you seeing hard drive activity?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

Whatever metric they use is not linear. I've watched it hang for a 
really
long time at some low percentage (like your 27%), then finish the 
last 70%

in the space of a minute.


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Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

2019-08-20 Thread Robert

We aren't that far away from milk delivery...   I was working for L3 at 
the beginning and I got set up in a townhome in Broomfield and this nice 
brand new complex had dairy delivery available three times a week.  Oh 
so wonderful fresh mild delivered twice a week.  I thought it was great 
not having to keep a gallon on hand but knowing a 1/2 gal would last 
till the next delivery..


On 8/20/19 9:38 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I am actually old enough to remember milk delivery.  The milk could 
magically appear on a wall on the side of the house each morning.


Cameron Crum wrote:
That's funny, I live in a neighborhood that had many homes built in 
the 19-teens and 1920's. Most of them have doors for ice delivery, 
milk, and other things. What was once old is new again.



On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:44 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


    But it won't actually pick up the pizza piece and put it in your
    mouth?  How are you supposed to eat with a  game controller in
    your hand?

    Isn't this one of the units which spectacularly caught fire and
    was burning on a sidewalk a couple months ago?

    On 8/20/2019 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


    Now robots will bring them pizza? I occasionally delivered pizzas
    when I was in college, it’s a challenge to make several
    deliveries without the pizza getting cold, I don’t see how a 4
    mph robot can  do it.  Plus it can’t climb stairs.

    I like this part:

    “building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door
    just for the robots, much like cat owner would include a door
    flap for their pet”

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20812184/starship-delivery-robot-expansion-college-campus





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[AFMUG] OT - for aficionados of old time audio gear

This story about Jamaican dub music mentions equipment from the 60's like
the Fisher Spacexpander, Roland Space-Echo and Maestro Echoplex.  Also some
photos of gigantic speaker setups (bass is apparently an essential part of
dub music.)  I am not a musician, but some here are, as well as some who
just like old electronics stuff.  Closest thing I was aware of was recording
studios that used speakers and microphones in a basement or attic as an echo
chamber.

 

https://www.vox.com/2019/8/20/20811907/sicko-mode-weirdest-moments-jamaican-
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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

2019-08-20 Thread James Howard

It ran the other day on my PC.  Took about 2 hours on an i7.

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Wonder how long I should wait?

Sent from my iPhone

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Don't worry. It's just encrypting all your files. That can take a while.

bp


On 8/20/2019 10:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

A bit.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Are you seeing hard drive activity?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

Whatever metric they use is not linear. I've watched it hang for a really
long time at some low percentage (like your 27%), then finish the last 70%
in the space of a minute.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

If you're seeing regular bursts of disk activity, let it run for 2-3 hours
before giving up.  I'm assuming it has already done the download and is
decompressing, checking, and installing the update(s).  All of which involve
lots of disk activity, probably interspersed with CPU and memory activity.
If it's just sitting there doing nothing, the update is probably stuck.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

A bit.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Are you seeing hard drive activity?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:28 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update
> 
> Whatever metric they use is not linear. I've watched it hang for a 
> really long time at some low percentage (like your 27%), then finish 
> the last 70% in the space of a minute.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 8/20/2019 10:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Been on 27% for an hour.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

2019-08-20 Thread castarritt .

Sounds like your internet isn't working.  You should get on social media
and trash your ISP.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

A bit.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Are you seeing hard drive activity?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:28 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update
> 
> Whatever metric they use is not linear. I've watched it hang for a really
> long time at some low percentage (like your 27%), then finish the last 70%
> in the space of a minute.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 8/20/2019 10:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Been on 27% for an hour.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

if its the big feature update its pushing out, it does take a long time
sometimes, its a full os udate


On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:38 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Are you seeing hard drive activity?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:28 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update
>
> Whatever metric they use is not linear. I've watched it hang for a really
> long time at some low percentage (like your 27%), then finish the last 70%
> in the space of a minute.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/20/2019 10:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Been on 27% for an hour.
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

Whatever metric they use is not linear. I've watched it hang for a 
really long time at some low percentage (like your 27%), then finish the 
last 70% in the space of a minute.



bp


On 8/20/2019 10:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Been on 27% for an hour.
Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

Wonder how long I should wait?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Obviously your Internet is slow.  Call your ISP and complain.
> 
> -Original Message-
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I don't get it

Its not really complicated, ask any dealer where its legal, its the taxes

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:08 PM Dan Parrish  wrote:

> Ah, the old, "If you just lower taxes you make more money in tax revenue
> argument." Armchair policy-making on this isn't so easy. This is a
> complicated issue.
>
> --dan
>
>
>
> On 8/18/2019 7:57 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> The black market still exists because they made the taxes so high.
>
> The cannabis coming from south of the border does not have the same (or
> any) quality/potency controls.
>
> Yes. They are worried about losing revenue.
>
> What they don't understand (yet) is if they lower the duty/taxes on
> cannabis, the legal volume will go up and make more revenue.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/18/2019 5:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> News article about some pot mixed with peppers being intercepted in San
> Diego.
>
> Officials said:
>
> Not only did they prevent the drugs from reaching our community, they also
> prevented millions of dollars of potential profit from making it into the
> hands of a transnational criminal organization."
>
>
> The first half of that does not make any sense to me because California
> now has a vested interest in these so called “drugs” from reaching the
> community via official channels.
>
> The second half seems like it is more about the state losing the profit?
>
> How is it worth the risk to import pot into a state that has recreational
> pot?  Is there a market for black market pot?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT windows update

Obviously your Internet is slow.  Call your ISP and complain.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT windows update


Been on 27% for an hour.
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I don't get it

2019-08-20 Thread Dan Parrish

Ah, the old, "If you just lower taxes you make more money in tax revenue 
argument." Armchair policy-making on this isn't so easy. This is a complicated 
issue.

--dan



On 8/18/2019 7:57 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

The black market still exists because they made the taxes so high.

The cannabis coming from south of the border does not have the same (or any) 
quality/potency controls.

Yes. They are worried about losing revenue.

What they don't understand (yet) is if they lower the duty/taxes on cannabis, 
the legal volume will go up and make more revenue.

bp




On 8/18/2019 5:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
News article about some pot mixed with peppers being intercepted in San Diego.

Officials said:
Not only did they prevent the drugs from reaching our community, they also 
prevented millions of dollars of potential profit from making it into the hands 
of a transnational criminal organization."

The first half of that does not make any sense to me because California now has 
a vested interest in these so called “drugs” from reaching the community via 
official channels.

The second half seems like it is more about the state losing the profit?

How is it worth the risk to import pot into a state that has recreational pot?  
Is there a market for black market pot?





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[AFMUG] OT windows update



Been on 27% for an hour.
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Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

2019-08-20 Thread Jay Weekley

I am actually old enough to remember milk delivery. The milk could
magically appear on a wall on the side of the house each morning.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:44 AM Nate Burke > wrote:

But it won't actually pick up the pizza piece and put it in your
mouth? How are you supposed to eat with a game controller in
your hand?

Isn't this one of the units which spectacularly caught fire and
was burning on a sidewalk a couple months ago?

On 8/20/2019 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I like this part:

“building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door
just for the robots, much like cat owner would include a door
flap for their pet”

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20812184/starship-delivery-robot-expansion-college-campus

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review

Don’t cross the streams.  It would be bad.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review

are threads overlapping?

Ive been seeing this alot, have you all taken up drinking?

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:35 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I have been using gloss.  Sherwin Williams “satellite white” is their name.  

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 7:55 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review

I would go for gloss not flat.  More reflective, plus dirt and bird poop will 
tend to wash off with the rain.  Just pick the brightest white color they have, 
I think someone here called it appliance white.  If you’re just getting a spray 
can at Ace or Home Depot, I think it’s more a question of what will adhere well 
to the surface in question, give a nice smooth surface without texture or runs, 
and not flake off over time.  Don’t spray it on too heavy, let it get tacky and 
spray on a second coat.  Make sure the surface is clean before painting.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 12:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review

What is the most efficient commodity white paint available? flat white rattle 
can?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:12 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Monty Python is intellectually stimulating.

bp

On 8/15/2019 8:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Does Monty Python count?

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review

I'm not allowed to watch things that are just plain stupid.

bp

On 8/15/2019 8:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

This trailer gives you a better sense of the thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB1gRT-QhBs

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 8:54 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: OT Movie Review

I am ashamed I paid good, hard earned money to watch “Good Boys”.  

I think the demographic is men who still have a mental age of 12.  

It had some very funny moments.  

Think of “Superbad” for 6th graders.  

Several memorable funny moments.  

Maybe watch it when it streams and there is nothing else on.  And when the kids 
are not in the room.  And when nobody else is in the room.  And when  you can 
erase your viewing history.

Ok, not quite that bad.  Very hard to describe.  

Seriously stupid funny, but mostly stupid.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPXqwAGmX04

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review

are threads overlapping?
Ive been seeing this alot, have you all taken up drinking?

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:35 AM  wrote:

> I have been using gloss.  Sherwin Williams “satellite white” is their
> name.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2019 7:55 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review
>
>
> I would go for gloss not flat.  More reflective, plus dirt and bird poop
> will tend to wash off with the rain.  Just pick the brightest white color
> they have, I think someone here called it appliance white.  If you’re just
> getting a spray can at Ace or Home Depot, I think it’s more a question of
> what will adhere well to the surface in question, give a nice smooth
> surface without texture or runs, and not flake off over time.  Don’t spray
> it on too heavy, let it get tacky and spray on a second coat.  Make sure
> the surface is clean before painting.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2019 12:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> What is the most efficient commodity white paint available? flat white
> rattle can?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:12 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Monty Python is intellectually stimulating.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2019 8:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Does Monty Python count?
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> I'm not allowed to watch things that are just plain stupid.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2019 8:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> This trailer gives you a better sense of the thing:
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB1gRT-QhBs
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 8:54 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> I am ashamed I paid good, hard earned money to watch *“Good Boys”.*
>
>
>
> I think the demographic is men who still have a mental age of 12.
>
> It had some very funny moments.
>
>
>
> Think of “Superbad” for 6th graders.
>
>
>
> Several memorable funny moments.
>
>
>
> Maybe watch it when it streams and there is nothing else on.  And when the
> kids are not in the room.  And when nobody else is in the room.  And when
> you can erase your viewing history.
>
>
>
> Ok, not quite that bad.  Very hard to describe.
>
> Seriously stupid funny, but mostly stupid.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPXqwAGmX04
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

2019-08-20 Thread Nate Burke

But it won't actually pick up the pizza piece and put it in your mouth?  
How are you supposed to eat with a  game controller in your hand?


Isn't this one of the units which spectacularly caught fire and was 
burning on a sidewalk a couple months ago?


On 8/20/2019 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Now robots will bring them pizza?  I occasionally delivered pizzas 
when I was in college, it’s a challenge to make several deliveries 
without the pizza getting cold, I don’t see how a 4 mph robot can  do 
it.  Plus it can’t climb stairs.


I like this part:

“building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door just 
for the robots, much like cat owner would include a door flap for 
their pet”


https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20812184/starship-delivery-robot-expansion-college-campus





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Re: [AFMUG] college students are too lazy

2019-08-20 Thread Gino A. Villarini

They should have built in ovens…


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Now robots will bring them pizza?  I occasionally delivered pizzas when I was 
in college, it’s a challenge to make several deliveries without the pizza 
getting cold, I don’t see how a 4 mph robot can  do it.  Plus it can’t climb 
stairs.

I like this part:

“building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door just for the 
robots, much like cat owner would include a door flap for their pet”

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20812184/starship-delivery-robot-expansion-college-campus

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[AFMUG] college students are too lazy

Now robots will bring them pizza?  I occasionally delivered pizzas when I
was in college, it's a challenge to make several deliveries without the
pizza getting cold, I don't see how a 4 mph robot can  do it.  Plus it can't
climb stairs.

 

I like this part:

 

"building owners may eventually decide to include a separate door just for
the robots, much like cat owner would include a door flap for their pet"

 

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20812184/starship-delivery-robot-expansio
n-college-campus

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We are at decision time on what to do with the 320/ubnt 3ghz, same boat on
decisions. LTE is a brand new horse to us, but the historic issues of
interference frighten my more than walking in on my wife with another man
when she should be doing laundry, I need clean work shirts. We had done
some base testing with baicells and we considering the trigger pull, but we
have the 450 out, and its performed as well or better than expected, this
is not i or m but it was considered, by us to be a drop in replacement for
the wimax, and ePMP to pick up the LOS UBNT junk.
Ive been trying to find out what SAS is actually doing real world, but I
dont know that the trial operators are allowed to speak of it without
ending up in a lake with concrete shoes. If SAS solves all the worlds woes
regarding interference, its a cost no brainer to deploy the crap out of
baicells, take the range hit, and fill the gaps with microcells where
required.
but, 450, being the horse it is, works, and works well, even in the
interference we have. Its drop in for us on the wimax because we were very
careful on EIRP to not push our luck. we may take a 1x hit here and there,
but offloading the LOS customers to EPMP will make up for that. May still
require the occasional non standard solution for the customers that just
dont work on anything other than the wimax, solely because it connected at
such a crummy level. We should have addressed them historically anyway
though.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Probably not applicable to PMP320, but with the Purewave basestations, I’m
> convinced many operators were setting them to max xmt power ignoring FCC
> limits on EIRP.  That of course didn’t help upstream, and the CPE was
> fairly anemic.  But downstream, I think that was part of the “magic”.
>
>
>
> I think with CBRS there is the potential of increased EIRP over what we
> are allowed under Part 90.  Given the huge power consumption of the 3.6 GHz
> PMP450m, I have to suspect it has the power amps to take advantage of
> higher EIRP, not sure about the regular 450 AP.  If I remember correctly
> though, it doesn’t have as many antenna beams as the 5 GHz 450m.  And given
> the size, weight and power consumption, we have sites I doubt we could
> deploy 4 sectors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>
>
>
> I agree on the PMP320's impressive tree penetration. We moved some sites
> from PMP320 to PMP450... with the added gain of the PMP450 reflector dish
> (8+11dBi vs the PMP320's 14dBi) I expected it to make up for the PMP450's
> lower transmit power, and as a result have "similar" final signal levels.
> In the end, some customers heavily in trees "lost" up to 10dB of signal and
> required moving their mounts etc. So the WiMAX / flat-panel-in-NLOS magic
> seems to have been adding around 10dB.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> Quite the opposite for us.  PMP320 could burn through trees!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:30 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> WiMAX had little to no magical power against trees when we deployed it.
> Trees apparently are hype resistant.  YMMV.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:22 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>
>
>
> We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65
> competes favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree
> penetration challenged customers.
>
>
>
> I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work
> better that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65
> performed as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.
> Seeing that LTE or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in
> 450 series (even Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.
>
>
>
> We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not happy
> with the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and Bliniq
> for a while now.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>
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[AFMUG] EPMP 3000 SFP Port

2019-08-20 Thread Nate Burke

Is anyone using the SFP Port on the EPMP 3000?  I have a site where I'm 
having lots of problems with the Copper Ethernet.  The Ethernet port 
never bounces and will instantly negotiate any and all 1G, 100mb and 
10mb data speeds, but I have a lot of packet loss getting to the AP.  
Ethernet traffic will just drop to 0 for a second or 2 at a time.  If I 
have to replace the Cat5, I'm going to pull a fiber up to it as well.


I usually use FS.com 10G SFP Modules in all my UBNT Edgepoint 
deployments, and haven't had any issues with those.  Wold the best 1G 
SFP for the 3000 be the SFP Offered for the 820.  N82L059A? I'm 
guessing that it should have the fewest compatibility problems.


There doesn't seem to be much control in the EPMP3000 for traffic flow 
between the interfaces, so I'm guessing that the Ethernet and SFP are 
just bridged together, and any Loop prevention would have to be on the 
other end of the cables?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

Probably not applicable to PMP320, but with the Purewave basestations, I’m 
convinced many operators were setting them to max xmt power ignoring FCC limits 
on EIRP.  That of course didn’t help upstream, and the CPE was fairly anemic.  
But downstream, I think that was part of the “magic”.

 

I think with CBRS there is the potential of increased EIRP over what we are 
allowed under Part 90.  Given the huge power consumption of the 3.6 GHz 
PMP450m, I have to suspect it has the power amps to take advantage of higher 
EIRP, not sure about the regular 450 AP.  If I remember correctly though, it 
doesn’t have as many antenna beams as the 5 GHz 450m.  And given the size, 
weight and power consumption, we have sites I doubt we could deploy 4 sectors.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

I agree on the PMP320's impressive tree penetration. We moved some sites from 
PMP320 to PMP450... with the added gain of the PMP450 reflector dish (8+11dBi 
vs the PMP320's 14dBi) I expected it to make up for the PMP450's lower transmit 
power, and as a result have "similar" final signal levels. In the end, some 
customers heavily in trees "lost" up to 10dB of signal and required moving 
their mounts etc. So the WiMAX / flat-panel-in-NLOS magic seems to have been 
adding around 10dB.

 

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Quite the opposite for us.  PMP320 could burn through trees!

 

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:30 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

WiMAX had little to no magical power against trees when we deployed it.  Trees 
apparently are hype resistant.  YMMV.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65 competes 
favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree penetration 
challenged customers.  

 

I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work better 
that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65 performed 
as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.  Seeing that LTE 
or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in 450 series (even 
Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.

 

We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not happy with 
the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and Bliniq for a 
while now.

 

Paul

 

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

2019-08-20 Thread Colin Stanners

I agree on the PMP320's impressive tree penetration. We moved some sites
from PMP320 to PMP450... with the added gain of the PMP450 reflector dish
(8+11dBi vs the PMP320's 14dBi) I expected it to make up for the PMP450's
lower transmit power, and as a result have "similar" final signal levels.
In the end, some customers heavily in trees "lost" up to 10dB of signal and
required moving their mounts etc. So the WiMAX / flat-panel-in-NLOS magic
seems to have been adding around 10dB.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Quite the opposite for us.  PMP320 could burn through trees!
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:30 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> WiMAX had little to no magical power against trees when we deployed it.
>> Trees apparently are hype resistant.  YMMV.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:22 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>>
>>
>>
>> We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65
>> competes favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree
>> penetration challenged customers.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work
>> better that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65
>> performed as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.
>> Seeing that LTE or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in
>> 450 series (even Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not
>> happy with the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and
>> Bliniq for a while now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Paul McCall, President *
>>
>> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>>
>> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>>
>> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>>
>> *772-564-6800*
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

2019-08-20 Thread Adam Moffett

Yeah I think there's truth to both statements.  You'll lose something 
like 15db per 100 meters of foliage you're passing through.  No 
technological miracle is going to make that attenuation go away.  The 
difference in my reckoning is that most products would deliver crappy 
service when there's crappy signal, whereas Wimax stepped that up to 
/mediocre/ service on a crappy signal.  LTE is another incremental 
improvement over that.


After several years of firmware upgrades our Telrad stuff is more or 
less working//ok, you just need to temper your expectations on 
capacityclaims of 200mbps with carrier aggregation and MU-MIMO have 
a lot of caveats.  Our problems with Telrad basically boil down to over 
complexity, stability, reliability, and our expectations being set too 
high by some overzealous marketing claims.  As far as NLOS, it does work 
better than most of the other options out there.it's basically a one 
trick pony in that regard.  It works nLOS, but you must carefully define 
"works".


-Adam



On 8/20/2019 8:57 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

Quite the opposite for us.  PMP320 could burn through trees!

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:30 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


WiMAX had little to no magical power against trees when we
deployed it.  Trees apparently are hype resistant.  YMMV.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:22 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65
competes favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree
penetration challenged customers.

I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically
work better that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular
450SM in 3.65 performed as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM,
meaning not as well.  Seeing that LTE or Wimax far exceeds normal
2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in 450 series (even Medusa) is a
strong leap of faith.

We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are
not happy with the LTE options available ATM, having field tested
Baicells and Bliniq for a while now.

Paul

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

The other thing we found with the WiMax stuff (we had Purewave not 320), it was 
(in our experience) pretty much a best effort system.  We couldn’t guarantee 
speed or latency, and we had to tell people no gaming or VoIP and your video 
might buffer.  And it was very limited in how many subscribers we could put on 
it, given that everybody wants to stream Netflix in the evening, plus now 
everybody is installing security cameras that stream to the cloud.  Essentially 
it could keep a connection up, but it was useless for all the things people use 
the Internet for these days.  It was like selling someone a car but telling 
them they couldn’t drive in the rain, they couldn’t go over 25 mph, and they 
couldn’t put a bunch of kids or groceries in it.  Useless.  I have always 
suspected TVWS would have the same issues, for different reasons, it just 
doesn’t seem to have enough capacity for residential broadband, maybe OK for 
industrial machine-machine.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

Have you looked into TVWS ? 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 6:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65 competes 
favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree penetration 
challenged customers.  

 

I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work better 
that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65 performed 
as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.  Seeing that LTE 
or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in 450 series (even 
Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.

 

We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not happy with 
the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and Bliniq for a 
while now.

 

Paul

 

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

2019-08-20 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Have you looked into TVWS ?


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From: AF  on behalf of Paul McCall 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 6:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65 competes 
favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree penetration 
challenged customers.

I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work better 
that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65 performed 
as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.  Seeing that LTE 
or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in 450 series (even 
Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.

We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not happy with 
the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and Bliniq for a 
while now.

Paul


Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

2019-08-20 Thread Eric Muehleisen

+1

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Quite the opposite for us.  PMP320 could burn through trees!
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:30 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> WiMAX had little to no magical power against trees when we deployed it.
>> Trees apparently are hype resistant.  YMMV.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:22 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>>
>>
>>
>> We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65
>> competes favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree
>> penetration challenged customers.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work
>> better that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65
>> performed as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.
>> Seeing that LTE or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in
>> 450 series (even Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not
>> happy with the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and
>> Bliniq for a while now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Paul McCall, President *
>>
>> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>>
>> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>>
>> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>>
>> *772-564-6800*
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

2019-08-20 Thread Josh Baird

Quite the opposite for us.  PMP320 could burn through trees!

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:30 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> WiMAX had little to no magical power against trees when we deployed it.
> Trees apparently are hype resistant.  YMMV.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:22 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>
>
>
> We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65
> competes favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree
> penetration challenged customers.
>
>
>
> I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work
> better that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65
> performed as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.
> Seeing that LTE or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in
> 450 series (even Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.
>
>
>
> We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not happy
> with the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and Bliniq
> for a while now.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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