Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
I would like to know more about the Miami regulation? Chris Herrington, FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440 Cell 714-309-8714 ch...@fsc.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path Is this in or near Miami? There’s a requirement anyone building something there make sure it won’t build into the path of a microwave. Otherwise I mean. You can’t just build into a utility line. Why is building into a microwave path any different. On Dec 21, 2018, at 23:45, Steve Jones wrote: So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't reach out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a serious matter before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should grab the attorney to represent us or just to have review paperwork? So far it's very amicable, confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7 months. I think I have a very viable solution for everyone (there is another parallel link affected that's someone else's that terminates near us on both sides) I've heard the best legal term (make whole) and a risky term (cost sharing) so. On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman wrote: Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external consultant working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out who that is and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to public meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, who will likely be marketing types and lawyers. If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for the power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine entirely, unlikely. Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at the FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. From: AF On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references was built in our area, they voluntarily moved one of the turbines to get it out of the path of a licensed backhaul. They probably won’t do this for an unlicensed path or a subscriber link. Also the phase where they are most likely to make such an accommodation is during the planning and approval phase. Least impact on them at that point, and they are motivated to resolve community resistance to their project where possible. I don’t think they are required to accommodate you, so I wouldn’t go charging in guns blazing, be nice and hope they are nice back. The towers obviously are more of a problem than the blades, but the blades do affect the RF when they pass through the beam, especially if there are multiple turbines in the path. I figure a couple dB blip per turbine but it’s hard to predict scientifically. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:43 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG
Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
I have signed many NDAs. No problems. I never worry about them. You can still talk about the situation. Just don’t reveal info that you received from the other party that is: 1) new to you 2) not found via other means Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2018, at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't reach > out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a serious matter > before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should grab the attorney to > represent us or just to have review paperwork? So far it's very amicable, > confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7 months. I think I have a very > viable solution for everyone (there is another parallel link affected that's > someone else's that terminates near us on both sides) I've heard the best > legal term (make whole) and a risky term (cost sharing) so. > >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman > I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you reach out >> to them early enough. You have to go directly to the company building the >> farm. >> >>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external consultant >>> working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out who that is >>> and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to public >>> meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, who will >>> likely be marketing types and lawyers. >>> >>> >>> >>> If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for the >>> power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the >>> turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same >>> piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper >>> stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine >>> entirely, unlikely. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are >>> falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. >>> Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little >>> “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet >>> away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m >>> downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. >>> When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, >>> like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone >>> complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not >>> to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing to >>> do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at the >>> FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed >>> windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AF On Behalf Of Brian Webster >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM >>> >>> >>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> >>> >>> I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were licensed >>> microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their placement of the >>> turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This may have been a >>> local zoning requirement more than anything. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank You, >>> >>> Brian Webster >>> >>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >>> >>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>> >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM >>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> >>> >>> The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise >>> buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. >>> >>> >>> >>> You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely >>> approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references &
Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
My experience nitrites Ken's. On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 12:52 AM Steve Jones wrote: > We have an attorney that's pretty versatile. But we are a small town. What > type attorney is needed here, is this basic law or would we need to look at > some special communications 300 dollar a minute slick suit > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 11:51 PM Ken Hohhof >> In a previous life I regularly had to sign NDAs, most of them weren’t >> worth paying the lawyers to review. My rule of thumb FWIW was if the >> agreement was reciprocal and symmetric, it was OK. Otherwise, pay the >> lawyers. But of course I am not a lawyer, and may be wrong, and your >> lawyer would definitely say I am wrong, because of course you shouldn’t get >> out of bed in the morning without paying a lawyer to say it was safe. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2018 10:45 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >> >> >> >> So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't >> reach out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a serious >> matter before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should grab the >> attorney to represent us or just to have review paperwork? So far it's very >> amicable, confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7 months. I think I >> have a very viable solution for everyone (there is another parallel link >> affected that's someone else's that terminates near us on both sides) I've >> heard the best legal term (make whole) and a risky term (cost sharing) >> so. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman > wrote: >> >> I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you reach >> out to them early enough. You have to go directly to the company building >> the farm. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external consultant >> working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out who that is >> and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to public >> meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, who will >> likely be marketing types and lawyers. >> >> >> >> If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for the >> power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the >> turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same >> piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper >> stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine >> entirely, unlikely. >> >> >> >> Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are >> falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. >> Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little >> “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet >> away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m >> downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. >> When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, >> like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone >> complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not >> to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing >> to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at >> the FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed >> windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM >> >> >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >> >> >> >> I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were >> licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their >> placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This >> may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> >> Brian Webster >> >> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >> >> www.wirelessmapping.com >> >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afm
Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
We have an attorney that's pretty versatile. But we are a small town. What type attorney is needed here, is this basic law or would we need to look at some special communications 300 dollar a minute slick suit On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 11:51 PM Ken Hohhof In a previous life I regularly had to sign NDAs, most of them weren’t > worth paying the lawyers to review. My rule of thumb FWIW was if the > agreement was reciprocal and symmetric, it was OK. Otherwise, pay the > lawyers. But of course I am not a lawyer, and may be wrong, and your > lawyer would definitely say I am wrong, because of course you shouldn’t get > out of bed in the morning without paying a lawyer to say it was safe. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2018 10:45 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path > > > > So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't reach > out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a serious matter > before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should grab the attorney to > represent us or just to have review paperwork? So far it's very amicable, > confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7 months. I think I have a > very viable solution for everyone (there is another parallel link affected > that's someone else's that terminates near us on both sides) I've heard the > best legal term (make whole) and a risky term (cost sharing) so. > > > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman wrote: > > I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you reach > out to them early enough. You have to go directly to the company building > the farm. > > > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external consultant > working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out who that is > and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to public > meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, who will > likely be marketing types and lawyers. > > > > If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for the > power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the > turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same > piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper > stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine > entirely, unlikely. > > > > Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are > falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. > Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little > “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet > away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m > downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. > When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, > like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone > complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not > to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing > to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at > the FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed > windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM > > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path > > > > I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were > licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their > placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This > may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path > > > > The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise > buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. > > > > You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely > approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references > was built in our area,
Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
In a previous life I regularly had to sign NDAs, most of them weren’t worth paying the lawyers to review. My rule of thumb FWIW was if the agreement was reciprocal and symmetric, it was OK. Otherwise, pay the lawyers. But of course I am not a lawyer, and may be wrong, and your lawyer would definitely say I am wrong, because of course you shouldn’t get out of bed in the morning without paying a lawyer to say it was safe. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 10:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't reach out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a serious matter before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should grab the attorney to represent us or just to have review paperwork? So far it's very amicable, confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7 months. I think I have a very viable solution for everyone (there is another parallel link affected that's someone else's that terminates near us on both sides) I've heard the best legal term (make whole) and a risky term (cost sharing) so. On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you reach out to them early enough. You have to go directly to the company building the farm. On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external consultant working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out who that is and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to public meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, who will likely be marketing types and lawyers. If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for the power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine entirely, unlikely. Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at the FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references was built in our area, they voluntarily moved one of the turbines to get it out of the path of a licensed backhaul. They probably won’t do this for an unlicensed path or a subscriber link. Also the phase where they are most likely to make such an accommodation is during the planning and approval phase. Least impact on them at that point, and they are motivated to resolve community resistance to their project where possible. I don’t think they are required to accommodate you, so I wouldn’t go charging in guns blazing, be nice and hope they are nice back.
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I assume the latter. I feel kind of bad for wind energy in some of the hoops they have to jump through. We have one customer who gets a check not to publicly complain about them. The hoops they have to jump through would irritate me if I were in their shoes. On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 11:25 PM Adam Moffett NDAlike in case you bump into secret wind turbine information? > Or more like, they'll make some remedy for you to make you whole, but > don't want every other swingin dick on the block to come around looking for > the same deal after the fact so keep your fool mouth shut. > > > On 12/21/2018 11:45 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't reach > out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a serious matter > before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should grab the attorney to > represent us or just to have review paperwork? So far it's very amicable, > confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7 months. I think I have a > very viable solution for everyone (there is another parallel link affected > that's someone else's that terminates near us on both sides) I've heard the > best legal term (make whole) and a risky term (cost sharing) so. > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman wrote: > >> I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you reach >> out to them early enough. You have to go directly to the company building >> the farm. >> >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external >>> consultant working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out >>> who that is and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to >>> public meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, >>> who will likely be marketing types and lawyers. >>> >>> >>> >>> If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for >>> the power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the >>> turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same >>> piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper >>> stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine >>> entirely, unlikely. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are >>> falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. >>> Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little >>> “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet >>> away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m >>> downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. >>> When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, >>> like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone >>> complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not >>> to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing >>> to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at >>> the FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed >>> windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM >>> >>> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> >>> >>> I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were >>> licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their >>> placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This >>> may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank You, >>> >>> Brian Webster >>> >>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >>> >>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>> >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On >>> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> >>> >>> The FCC license protects against RF interfer
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NDAlike in case you bump into secret wind turbine information?
Or more like, they'll make some remedy for you to make you whole, but
don't want every other swingin dick on the block to come around looking
for the same deal after the fact so keep your fool mouth shut.
On 12/21/2018 11:45 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't
reach out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a
serious matter before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should
grab the attorney to represent us or just to have review paperwork? So
far it's very amicable, confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7
months. I think I have a very viable solution for everyone (there is
another parallel link affected that's someone else's that terminates
near us on both sides) I've heard the best legal term (make whole) and
a risky term (cost sharing) so.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you
reach out to them early enough. You have to go directly to the
company building the farm.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external
consultant working those kinds of planning issues. You want
to find out who that is and make contact with that person.
Not the people they send to public meetings to deal with the
anti windfarm elements of the community, who will likely be
marketing types and lawyers.
If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the
routes for the power network, they have a certain amount of
flexibility in placing the turbines. Moving one of them 100
feet left or right but still on the same piece of land where
have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper stage.
Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the
turbine entirely, unlikely.
Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their
livestock are falling over dead and their children are sick
due to the turbines. Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I
had built my dream home on a little “farmette” to retire on,
I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet away,
flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine
when I’m downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do
about a lot of that. When there is something they can
reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, like stop certain
turbines at certain times of day because someone complained
about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not
to block microwave links between towers is something they may
be willing to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may
hire someone to look at the FCC database and find any licensed
paths that go through the proposed windfarm, and choose their
sites accordingly.
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
*Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there
were licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this
in their placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their
obligation to do so. This may have been a local zoning
requirement more than anything.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken
Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or
highrise buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing
Commsearch can do.
You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would
absolutely approach them now in the planning phase. When the
windfarm Mike references was built in our area, they
voluntarily moved one of the turbines to get it out of the
path of a licensed backhaul. They probably won’t do this for
an unlicensed path or a subscriber link. Also the phase where
they are most likely to make such an accommodation is during
the planning and approval phase. Least impact on them at that
point, and they are motivated to resolve community resistance
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Is this in or near Miami? There’s a requirement anyone building something there make sure it won’t build into the path of a microwave. Otherwise I mean. You can’t just build into a utility line. Why is building into a microwave path any different. > On Dec 21, 2018, at 23:45, Steve Jones wrote: > > So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't reach > out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a serious matter > before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should grab the attorney to > represent us or just to have review paperwork? So far it's very amicable, > confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7 months. I think I have a very > viable solution for everyone (there is another parallel link affected that's > someone else's that terminates near us on both sides) I've heard the best > legal term (make whole) and a risky term (cost sharing) so. > >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman > I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you reach out >> to them early enough. You have to go directly to the company building the >> farm. >> >>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external consultant >>> working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out who that is >>> and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to public >>> meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, who will >>> likely be marketing types and lawyers. >>> >>> >>> >>> If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for the >>> power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the >>> turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same >>> piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper >>> stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine >>> entirely, unlikely. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are >>> falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. >>> Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little >>> “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet >>> away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m >>> downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. >>> When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, >>> like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone >>> complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not >>> to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing to >>> do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at the >>> FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed >>> windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AF On Behalf Of Brian Webster >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM >>> >>> >>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> >>> >>> I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were licensed >>> microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their placement of the >>> turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This may have been a >>> local zoning requirement more than anything. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank You, >>> >>> Brian Webster >>> >>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >>> >>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>> >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM >>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> >>> >>> The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise >>> buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. >>> >>> >>> >>> You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely >>> approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references &
Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't reach out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a serious matter before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should grab the attorney to represent us or just to have review paperwork? So far it's very amicable, confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7 months. I think I have a very viable solution for everyone (there is another parallel link affected that's someone else's that terminates near us on both sides) I've heard the best legal term (make whole) and a risky term (cost sharing) so. On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you reach > out to them early enough. You have to go directly to the company building > the farm. > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external consultant >> working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out who that is >> and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to public >> meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, who will >> likely be marketing types and lawyers. >> >> >> >> If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for the >> power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the >> turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same >> piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper >> stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine >> entirely, unlikely. >> >> >> >> Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are >> falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. >> Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little >> “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet >> away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m >> downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. >> When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, >> like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone >> complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not >> to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing >> to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at >> the FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed >> windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM >> >> >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >> >> >> >> I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were >> licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their >> placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This >> may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> >> Brian Webster >> >> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >> >> www.wirelessmapping.com >> >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >> >> >> >> The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise >> buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. >> >> >> >> You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely >> approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references >> was built in our area, they voluntarily moved one of the turbines to get it >> out of the path of a licensed backhaul. They probably won’t do this for an >> unlicensed path or a subscriber link. Also the phase where they are most >> likely to make such an accommodation is during the planning and approval >> phase. Least impact on them at that point, and they are motivated to >> resolve community resistance to their project where possible. I don’t >> think they are required to accommodate you, so I wouldn’t go charging in >> guns blazing, be nice and hope they are nice back. >> >> >> >> The towers obviously are more of a problem than the blades, but the >>
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I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you reach out to them early enough. You have to go directly to the company building the farm. On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external consultant > working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out who that is > and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to public > meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, who will > likely be marketing types and lawyers. > > > > If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for the > power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the > turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same > piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper > stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine > entirely, unlikely. > > > > Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are > falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. > Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little > “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet > away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m > downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. > When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, > like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone > complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not > to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing > to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at > the FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed > windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM > > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path > > > > I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were > licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their > placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This > may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path > > > > The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise > buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. > > > > You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely > approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references > was built in our area, they voluntarily moved one of the turbines to get it > out of the path of a licensed backhaul. They probably won’t do this for an > unlicensed path or a subscriber link. Also the phase where they are most > likely to make such an accommodation is during the planning and approval > phase. Least impact on them at that point, and they are motivated to > resolve community resistance to their project where possible. I don’t > think they are required to accommodate you, so I wouldn’t go charging in > guns blazing, be nice and hope they are nice back. > > > > The towers obviously are more of a problem than the blades, but the blades > do affect the RF when they pass through the beam, especially if there are > multiple turbines in the path. I figure a couple dB blip per turbine but > it’s hard to predict scientifically. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:43 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path > > > > Are you wanting Commscope to go put some C4 on that turbine? :-p > > > Ken, what did you do when they built that Shabonna\Lee windfarm? I know > you had some links down there. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intellige
Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external consultant working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out who that is and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to public meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, who will likely be marketing types and lawyers. If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for the power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine entirely, unlikely. Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at the FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. From: AF On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references was built in our area, they voluntarily moved one of the turbines to get it out of the path of a licensed backhaul. They probably won’t do this for an unlicensed path or a subscriber link. Also the phase where they are most likely to make such an accommodation is during the planning and approval phase. Least impact on them at that point, and they are motivated to resolve community resistance to their project where possible. I don’t think they are required to accommodate you, so I wouldn’t go charging in guns blazing, be nice and hope they are nice back. The towers obviously are more of a problem than the blades, but the blades do affect the RF when they pass through the beam, especially if there are multiple turbines in the path. I figure a couple dB blip per turbine but it’s hard to predict scientifically. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:43 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path Are you wanting Commscope to go put some C4 on that turbine? :-p Ken, what did you do when they built that Shabonna\Lee windfarm? I know you had some links down there. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:39:26 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path We have a windfarm going
Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references was built in our area, they voluntarily moved one of the turbines to get it out of the path of a licensed backhaul. They probably won’t do this for an unlicensed path or a subscriber link. Also the phase where they are most likely to make such an accommodation is during the planning and approval phase. Least impact on them at that point, and they are motivated to resolve community resistance to their project where possible. I don’t think they are required to accommodate you, so I wouldn’t go charging in guns blazing, be nice and hope they are nice back. The towers obviously are more of a problem than the blades, but the blades do affect the RF when they pass through the beam, especially if there are multiple turbines in the path. I figure a couple dB blip per turbine but it’s hard to predict scientifically. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:43 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path Are you wanting Commscope to go put some C4 on that turbine? :-p Ken, what did you do when they built that Shabonna\Lee windfarm? I know you had some links down there. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Image removed by sender. <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> Image removed by sender. <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> Image removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Image removed by sender. <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> Image removed by sender. <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> Image removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> Image removed by sender. <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> Image removed by sender. <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> Image removed by sender. _ From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:39:26 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path We have a windfarm going up that was , one of the turbines is dead in the middle of an 11ghz link path. Who do we reach out to for this. We have commsearch protection service, I reached out to them, but im not sure thats in the protection scope. Im leery of reaching out to the windfarm directly, as they may lawyer up before we get our recourse figured out. As I understand it they are in the impact study phase still, so i assume that means our window of opportunity closes when that is done. Any advice? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references was built in our area, they voluntarily moved one of the turbines to get it out of the path of a licensed backhaul. They probably won’t do this for an unlicensed path or a subscriber link. Also the phase where they are most likely to make such an accommodation is during the planning and approval phase. Least impact on them at that point, and they are motivated to resolve community resistance to their project where possible. I don’t think they are required to accommodate you, so I wouldn’t go charging in guns blazing, be nice and hope they are nice back. The towers obviously are more of a problem than the blades, but the blades do affect the RF when they pass through the beam, especially if there are multiple turbines in the path. I figure a couple dB blip per turbine but it’s hard to predict scientifically. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:43 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path Are you wanting Commscope to go put some C4 on that turbine? :-p Ken, what did you do when they built that Shabonna\Lee windfarm? I know you had some links down there. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:39:26 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path We have a windfarm going up that was , one of the turbines is dead in the middle of an 11ghz link path. Who do we reach out to for this. We have commsearch protection service, I reached out to them, but im not sure thats in the protection scope. Im leery of reaching out to the windfarm directly, as they may lawyer up before we get our recourse figured out. As I understand it they are in the impact study phase still, so i assume that means our window of opportunity closes when that is done. Any advice? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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C4 on a pigeon? Two problems one solution? On 12/13/18 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote: Im not saying put c4 on a turbine.. Im simply saying, sometimes c4 finds its way onto turbines On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:44 AM Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: Are you wanting Commscope to go put some C4 on that turbine? :-p Ken, what did you do when they built that Shabonna\Lee windfarm? I know you had some links down there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:39:26 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path We have a windfarm going up that was , one of the turbines is dead in the middle of an 11ghz link path. Who do we reach out to for this. We have commsearch protection service, I reached out to them, but im not sure thats in the protection scope. Im leery of reaching out to the windfarm directly, as they may lawyer up before we get our recourse figured out. As I understand it they are in the impact study phase still, so i assume that means our window of opportunity closes when that is done. Any advice? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Im not saying put c4 on a turbine.. Im simply saying, sometimes c4 finds its way onto turbines On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:44 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > Are you wanting Commscope to go put some C4 on that turbine? :-p > > > Ken, what did you do when they built that Shabonna\Lee windfarm? I know > you had some links down there. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------ > *From: *"Steve Jones" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:39:26 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path > > We have a windfarm going up that was , one of the turbines is dead in the > middle of an 11ghz link path. Who do we reach out to for this. We have > commsearch protection service, I reached out to them, but im not sure thats > in the protection scope. Im leery of reaching out to the windfarm directly, > as they may lawyer up before we get our recourse figured out. As I > understand it they are in the impact study phase still, so i assume that > means our window of opportunity closes when that is done. > Any advice? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Are you wanting Commscope to go put some C4 on that turbine? :-p Ken, what did you do when they built that Shabonna\Lee windfarm? I know you had some links down there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:39:26 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path We have a windfarm going up that was , one of the turbines is dead in the middle of an 11ghz link path. Who do we reach out to for this. We have commsearch protection service, I reached out to them, but im not sure thats in the protection scope. Im leery of reaching out to the windfarm directly, as they may lawyer up before we get our recourse figured out. As I understand it they are in the impact study phase still, so i assume that means our window of opportunity closes when that is done. Any advice? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path
We have a windfarm going up that was , one of the turbines is dead in the middle of an 11ghz link path. Who do we reach out to for this. We have commsearch protection service, I reached out to them, but im not sure thats in the protection scope. Im leery of reaching out to the windfarm directly, as they may lawyer up before we get our recourse figured out. As I understand it they are in the impact study phase still, so i assume that means our window of opportunity closes when that is done. Any advice? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
