The metal detector I have should locate this down to about a foot or more.
Really depends on depth.
The other thought is if you do know where one end is, you might have some
success with a underground toner, especially if you can shove some sort of
locate wire in.
On Feb 17, 2015 9:18 PM, Bill
They are currently LIVE on www.ISPradio.comhttp://www.ISPradio.com .. lol :)
Login and hit the chat to ask questions!
Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 -
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net
From: Af
Prairie ONetime was in Illinois at one point, IIRC, but as it wasn't near me, I
can't be certain.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
To: af af@afmug.com
Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015
Here’ a real 120deg dual pol sector.
http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5821SD1_DS_061312.pdf
Jerry
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in
I don't think Prairie Inet goes that far east... I think pretty much all
JAB in Illinois is T6.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Are they T6 by you, or Prairie Inet?
And what happened to their rumored national re-branding? Was that a
hoax? No, the
Satellite was, is, and always will be second tier to WISPs. Satellite has a bad
rep.
Market accordingly. Go for the jugular and expose every flaw that satellite
has. Latency, historically crappy customer service, excruciating bandwidth
caps, can’t play games, VPN connections terminating,
We interact with both brands, prairie inet and T6, I think they are
ditching the pinet brand because it was awful
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't think Prairie Inet goes that far east... I think pretty much all
JAB in Illinois is T6.
On
Never used them, no.
Does anyone in Chicago stock them?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:18:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Water
CTI?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Never used them, no.
Does anyone in Chicago stock them?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Prairie was in IL, but i think the old DTNSpeednet bought a good chunk of that,
which over time became Speednet/then Keyon, then JAB - and JAB also bought the
other part of Prairie in Iowa. All the Keyon stuff down here was rebranded T6.
From: Af
If the pattern in the spec sheet is accurate, this one looks like it's
actually a bit more than 120 at -3db
http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=HW-SA58-120-16Deq=Tp=o1=0
These also look to be a full 120 at -3db
http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SA4958-120-19-Deq=Tp=o1=0
On Wed,
According to the documentation, they area only offering unlimited in areas
where they know the antenna covering that area isn’t overloaded. I’d be
curious to know how much capacity they have per antenna. I thought I read it
somewhere a while back but haven’t followed up on it.
Rory
From: Af
That's the one I was talking about, but it's not exactly a real 120
either...
* All beam widths are listed at the 3dB point except for 120° beam
on horizontal polarization is listed at 6dB point
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
wrote:
Here’ a real 120deg
That's similar to what I'm seeing. we only have one link up so far, but
pinging between the routers on each end of the link, I get an average of
5ms and minimum of 4ms.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
We just did some optimization of our 3 Mimosa
I dont think voip or hd video streaming does well either.
On 02/18/2015 11:04 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
Satellite was, is, and always will be second tier to WISPs. Satellite
has a bad rep.
Market accordingly. Go for the jugular and expose every flaw that
satellite has. Latency,
I get mine through Double-Radius but hey drop-ship from WBMFG. Actually I
just ordered a batch today.
-Ty
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Never used them, no.
Does anyone in Chicago stock them?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
That’s what I was basing my first reply on, but then I saw that note.
So, which to believe? The hand drawn plot or the note? LOL
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120°
I have a 450 that was very recently put up in place of a 430AP. 16/22
Customers are 430s in Interop mode, the rest are 450s.
What can I expect as maximum throughput? I was sort of expecting
greater or equal performance to a 430, but I've had a lot of odd feeback
from customers since we
Are you saying that antenna patterns could have a significant difference
between 5740 and 5780 on some antennas?
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
And that plot is for one specific frequency. They frequently do not
tell you the test frequency. I have had
Yes, the TDMA Window can be set to 2ms, 4ms or 8ms - I'm not sure what the
actual effect is on peak throughput, but it obviously makes a big
difference to latency... which is more important in this case. I'm running
it at 2ms.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Good point.
Anomalies or just falls off faster one way or the other?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:41:04 PM
Subject:
And that plot is for one specific frequency. They frequently do not tell you
the test frequency. I have had antennas have horrible ugly plots at some
frequencies but nice ones at other frequencies.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:35 AM
To: af
Subject: Re:
Assuming the plots are accurate, they're all that matters.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:22:27 PM
Subject: Re:
There will be differences. Hopefully not terribly significant over the small
bandwidth you mention but from 4.9 to 5.9 GHz they will indeed have significant
differences.
From: Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120°
IIRC, the latency is configurable, depending on what peak throughput you're
after.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
To: af af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015
Yes, assuming they're accurate, but that may be a lot to assume...
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Assuming the plots are accurate, they're all that matters.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
You're not wrong at allbut it's a matter of what they're trying to
do with the VoIP. If they're trying to replace a landline then they'd
better explain the delay to everybody.
Yeah, my opinion is the impact of latency on VoIP quality has been
blown out of proportion, especially given
If you have a waveguide connection to an antenna, what direction (up/down or
left/right) does the wider portion of the waveguide go?
___
| |
| | = H Pol?
| |
or
___
| | = H Pol?
top
-Original Message-
From: Dan Petermann
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Waveguide polarization
If you have a waveguide connection to an antenna, what direction (up/down or
left/right) does the wider portion of the waveguide go?
doesnt the spreadsheet let you put in 430 SMs?
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote:
We have done this multiple times. I would expect to see performance
basically double for any customer you switch from a 430SM to a 450SM.
Overall throughput of the AP should
On SAF CFIP Lumina it was opposite. Like your first image.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:
If you have a waveguide connection to an antenna, what direction
We have done this multiple times. I would expect to see performance basically
double for any customer you switch from a 430SM to a 450SM. Overall throughput
of the AP should increase pretty proportionally as you replace 430 SM's with
450's. If you were capping out the 430 (which seems odd
it's my understanding as long as you keep the packets in order, it's just like
talking on a satphone... lol
- Original Message -
From: Paul McCall
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in
Yeah, my opinion is the impact of latency on VoIP quality has been blown out of
proportion, especially given adaptive jitter buffers. Packet loss,
out-of-order packets, etc. are much worse.
But independent of technology, there is a perception issue when latency gets
that high. You either
Your first drawing is correct. It's opposite of what you'd expect.
Craig
Quoting Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com:
If you have a waveguide connection to an antenna, what direction
(up/down or left/right) does the wider portion of the waveguide go?
___
| |
| | = H Pol?
| |
or
Josh I hate to disagree with you here… but a waveguide is a waveguide. Maybe
your link is in the wrong polarization :-)
Top is correct.
***
Daniel White - Managing Director
SAF North America LLC
Cell: +1 (303)
That's what I said :P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 18, 2015 5:19 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
Josh I hate to disagree with you here… but a waveguide is a waveguide.
Maybe your link is in the wrong
Great! Thanks to all who answered.
On Feb 18, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
Josh I hate to disagree with you here… but a waveguide is a waveguide. Maybe
your link is in the wrong polarization :-)
Top is correct.
Make sure everything is on firmware 13.2 i have seen strange results mixing
430/450 radios on the earlier firmware
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Feb 18, 2015, at 4:29
That can't seriously be their new logo
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Aha.
www.risebroadband.net
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
Your hardware selection seems very reasonable to me, my concern would be
the strength of the hatch wall you're clamping it to. Those mounts are made
for monopoles, a water tower hatch could be much thinner steel and it might
be possible to damage it if you crank the bolts on the mount too tight.
It actually works pretty well, since there is virtually no jitter.
Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
On Feb 18, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
LOL ! that’s exactly what I was thinking!
If youre allowed to wet the soil with a hose a turtle rod (a long pointed
metal stick for finding buried turtles) might help, but you might just find
rocks
Not to get choked out for mentioning it, but you might also try divining,
its possible the bottom of the culverts still have some water in
Have you used them? It doesn't sound like it. They are far from flimsy.
They are less beefy than the commercial tower type mounts but for many of
my uses those commercial ones are way overkill. That's why he started
building them in the first place. He doesn't actually have a direct
competitor to
He made himself look like a troll saying he's not a fan (:
On Feb 18, 2015 8:18 AM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:
Have you used them? It doesn't sound like it. They are far from flimsy.
They are less beefy than the commercial tower type mounts but for many of
my uses those
What happens when customers actually start using several times their
current amount though? They do only have a finite amount of available
bandwidth after all - will their jitter go through the roof and voice
become unusable? Will speeds drop dramatically?
-Jason
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015,
I tried out the VoIP at AF and was amazed that it not only worked, but
worked well.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:
What happens when customers actually start using several times their
current amount though? They do only have a finite
I've see a few M-TOW's with long all thread posted here doing the same
thing.
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
I know this has come up a few times (possibly by me), but does this setup
seem reasonable for attaching antennas to the center
Yes. This is it. I haven't used it but I remember the thread.
http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=45Cat=
-Ty
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
I've see a few M-TOW's with long all thread posted here doing the same
thing.
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Feb
Ken, I was told there will be a lite AP coming by end of March...
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
What if there was a
I've seen them before too. Looks too flimsy to me. I know this is the wrong
crowd to say this in, but none of the M-TOW line really interests me.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Ty Featherling
I don't see packets dropping unless you reach the capacity limit.
in noisy environments the capacity will fluctuate quickly..
that's why we monitor so we can tell when we reach the capacity.
roland
How do you know if your dropping packets or is that part of the PTP650 magithat they just
I agree Adtran is the way to go, especially when handing-off to legacy
phone systems with a PRI.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower Consulting
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
Adtran Total
my experience is that you get the throughput that is shown in link capacity..
real/tcp/udp however you measure it..
I monitor throughput up/down as well as rssi to determine link status.
never had to look at the other statistics, except ethernet for crc errors..
Roland
Put up my first PTP650
How do you know if your dropping packets or is that part of the PTP650 magi
that they just don't?
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Roland Houin
Am I accurate with the rest of the e-mail?
Oh, I thought you were saying 80 MHz wide channel as in one, not channels as in
two... using 160 MHz.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Rory Conaway
If you exceed 150GB, which nobody ever does according to their literature, then
they will have a talk with you because 150GB is such a huge amount according to
their literature.
They did say they are putting up another satellite in 2016 which probably
covers the areas they missed with the
How can they possibly do voice with that latency?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in certain areas
If you exceed 150GB, which nobody ever does
Easy, just say “over” at the end of each conversation phrase.
From: Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in certainareas
How can they possibly do voice with that latency?
From: Af
LOL ! that’s exactly what I was thinking!
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in certainareas
Easy, just say “over” at the end of each
That’s something like 10 times their current limit. If true, that’s a big
change.
If they get all the 150GB/mo customers and we only get the 150GB ones, that’s
probably bad for us and good for them.
I guess it comes down to marketing. If they can convince people it’s
“virtually unlimited”,
I'm using the Adtrans as PRI handoffs, they work perfect for that. Never
used the ATA portion though. Maybe I'll give that a shot.
On 2/18/2015 8:19 AM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
I agree Adtran is the way to go, especially when handing-off to legacy
phone systems with a PRI.
Erich Kaiser
North
Adtran Total Access has been my happiest multi line ATA experience. Not
cheap thoughand not simple as the Grandstream. In fact the config
is obtuse in some ways. Greatest chance that everything works though.
Most lines are loop start. I have never seen an ATA that could do
ground
So if you're getting 750 with 80 MHz, you'd only need... just over 100 MHz to
fill the GigE? Can it do dual 50s?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent:
No. Single 40, dual 40’s, single 80, or dual 80.
rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 5:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results
So if you're getting 750 with 80 MHz, you'd only need...
Signal, Vector Error (SNR), Modulation Level, V/H Ratio, Throughput.
Why would you ever want to go back to CCQ, once you have access to real
numbers that mean something?
-Original Message-
From: Roland Houin
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:35 AM
To: John Seaman
Subject: Re:
BLASPHEMY!! Kill the traitor!!
Lol, to each his own. I don't know if care for that version but the ones I
use have been a Godsend.
-Ty
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
I've seen them before too. Looks too flimsy to me. I know this is the
wrong crowd to
+1 CCQ is a bullshit number
Signal, Vector Error (SNR), Modulation Level, V/H Ratio, Throughput.
Why would you ever want to go back to CCQ, once you have access to
real numbers that mean something?
-Original Message- From: Roland Houin
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:35 AM
To:
They look great for a customer or a repeater, but not a tower. I use the
Commscope pipe to pipe mounts. They're available locally, beefy as all hell and
reasonably priced.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Ty
That is true, average data usage increases about 50% per year. So over a 2
year contract, usage can be expected to more than double. Just like your new
cellphone that you love today, will seem slow and outdated at the end of the 2
year contract. Again, it’s marketing, we need to get people
If you ever need to question this again, it is opposite the major dimension.
If you could see the little probe /antenna that feeds the waveguide, you would
see it sticking up out of the broad wall.
The polarization of that little probe is the polarization of the waveguide.
And it is
Hmm, now I am not so sure.
Is it the orientation of the waveguide that determines the polarity or the
orientation of the probe?
For example, waveguide exits the radio with wider dimension in a left/right
direction, and enters antenna in a up/down direction, did the polarization of
the signal
Technically that is impossible to answer due to the infinite number of
waveguide modes.
However, the practical answer is that we always use a very simple mode. And in
that mode, the probe always comes out of the broad wall, about a quarter
wavelength from the end of a dead ended waveguide.
Chromecast has a “Guest Mode” that’s turned on by default. This allows someone
to connect to its ad-hoc network and control it without being on the wireless
network.
Chris Wright
Network Technician
Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/
209-838-1221
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
I hear that the new name is Rise Broadband. This post seems to confirm the
rumor:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-JAB-Broadband-RVW5530768.htm
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
wrote:
Prairie was in IL, but i think the old DTNSpeednet
Aha.
www.risebroadband.net
From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T6(JAB) Ad on Pandora
I hear that the new name is Rise Broadband. This post seems to confirm the
rumor:
Also, risebroadband.com was registered for a seven year term in Dec. 2014
(currently protected by domainsbyproxy)
http://www.whois.com/whois/risebroadband.com
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I hear that the new name is Rise Broadband. This post seems to
Glad to see that for the most part this thread kept the discussion on
polarization rather than polarity these sound similar but they are not
synonymous.
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Chuck McCown
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Technically that is impossible to
Please enlighten me
Glad to see that for the most part this thread kept the discussion on
polarization rather than polarity these sound similar but they are
not synonymous.
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Is there a way to tell an AU to stop transmitting or do I need to physically
unplug it?
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
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