Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Probably. I suppose I should ask. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 7:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz Does the company you purchase your SAF stuff from do it, though? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
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Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:52:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > If I have been offered

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
M Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz Saf does not On Feb 11, 2018 9:06 PM, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: Trango did. They subbed out the coordination and licensing to Radyn, but I don't think they marked it up much. -- Original Message --

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
February 11, 2018 5:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz I am guessing you don't know this.. but every distributor that is selling license radios, offers a 'licensing coordination' package. In case of Mimosa, they actually have an arrangement with one of t

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Adam Moffett
Trango did. They subbed out the coordination and licensing to Radyn, but I don't think they marked it up much. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/11/2018 8:52:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz If I have been offered a pa

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Chuck McCown
@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz I am guessing you don't know this.. but every distributor that is selling license radios, offers a 'licensing coordination' package. In case of Mimosa, they actually have an arrangement with one of the coordinators to get the

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
... ? Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:24:07

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Josh Reynolds
aining > the license plate too. > > *From:* Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > > >>.I should have caveated that, b11 is crummy. > > Here is the part that I love about the WISP'

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Chuck McCown
license plate too. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz >>.I should have caveated that, b11 is crummy. Here is the part that I love about the WISP's... Everyone is Opinionated to the Nth degree without

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
; Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Steve Jones" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:25:17 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > I shou

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Steve Jones
erswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------ > *From: *"Steve Jones" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:34:23 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > > Serio

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Mike Hammett
AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz Seriously, these questions, please, please, please! State your rain region. Here,. id like to punch anybody in the eye who lies to you and tells you 24 GHZ is a good idea over 1.2 miles ( I dont care the KM Im mercan) but some guy in a desert might

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Mike Hammett
.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:34:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz Seriously, these questions, please, please, please! State your rain region. Here,. id like to punch anybody in the eye who lies to you and tells you 24 GHZ is a good idea over 1.2 miles ( I dont care the KM

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Mike Hammett
WISP - Original Message - From: "David Coudron" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 4:57:39 PM Subject: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz I know this topic has come up before, but thought I would throw it out again to hear additional thoughts as products c

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread Rory Conaway
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz Hey guys, Thanks a ton for the input. Looks like we got oversold on the distance from the link planning tools for 24 GHz. This conversation has been

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-11 Thread David Coudron
, 2018 11:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz Our experience has been we get more throughput and more reliability from the AF11 than the B11. The B11s always seemed to be choking on high throughput. We gave up on them, and the AF11s are easier to license in congested

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Steve Jones
...in utah On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 12:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > Seriously, these questions, please, please, please! State your rain > region. Here,. id like to punch anybody in the eye who lies to you and > tells you 24 GHZ is a good idea over 1.2 miles ( I dont care the KM Im > mercan) but so

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Steve Jones
Seriously, these questions, please, please, please! State your rain region. Here,. id like to punch anybody in the eye who lies to you and tells you 24 GHZ is a good idea over 1.2 miles ( I dont care the KM Im mercan) but some guy in a desert might tell you its an awesome idea at 6 miles, I dont ca

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Bill Prince
Our experience has been we get more throughput and more reliability from the AF11 than the B11. The B11s always seemed to be choking on high throughput. We gave up on them, and the AF11s are easier to license in congested areas anyway. bp On 2/10/2018 5:12 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Yes, the

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Mathew Howard
Yes, the AF11 can do more throughput on the same spectrum compared to the B11, but the B11 can use more spectrum (a lot more, granted), so it can do more throughput than the AF11 can. You can get close to a full gig in one direction with the B11 (assuming you can license enough spectrum), but you c

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Mathew Howard
et > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > supp...@snappytelecom.net > > ---------------------- > > *From: *"David Coudron" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Bill Prince
What others have said about distance. Short (up to 3 miles or so) 24 GHz. Medium (up to 8-9 miles) 18 GHz. Long (up to 20 miles) 11 GHz. Longest 6 GHz. I disagree with the B11 versus AF11. The AF11 will provide more throughput on less spectrum. Probably less expensive too. bp On 2/10/2018

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
l Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "David Coudron" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:57:40 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] 24 GH

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz We had a lot of 4 mile+ links on AF24's that worked perfectly in ALASKA on the coast. Some places have more rain/hr than others. On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 5:11 PM, Adair Winter wrote: AF24 is only going to be 5 9's reliable to about 1-2 miles de

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Josh Reynolds
miles 24 ghz its way out of the question. Stick to 11 ghz. >> >> From: Af on behalf of David Coudron < >> david.coud...@advantenon.com> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" >> Date: Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 6:57 PM >> To: "af@afmug.com"

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Robert Andrews
AF24HD, 5 Miles Max in perfect conditions... On 02/10/2018 02:57 PM, David Coudron wrote: I know this topic has come up before, but thought I would throw it out again to hear additional thoughts as products continue to evolve. We have been doing primarily 5 GHz backhaul using Mimosa products

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Adair Winter
5:05 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: > For 6-10 miles 24 ghz its way out of the question. Stick to 11 ghz. > > From: Af on behalf of David Coudron < > david.coud...@advantenon.com> > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 6:57 PM > To:

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread Gino A. Villarini
bruary 10, 2018 at 6:57 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz I know this topic has come up before, but thought I would throw it out again to hear additional thoughts as products continue to evolve. We have been d

[AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

2018-02-10 Thread David Coudron
I know this topic has come up before, but thought I would throw it out again to hear additional thoughts as products continue to evolve. We have been doing primarily 5 GHz backhaul using Mimosa products for the last couple of years. Their frequency reuse has really helped us, but we are star