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https://le.utah.gov/~2018/bills/static/SB0134.html Todd Weiler From: Layne Sisk Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking Chuck, Which legislator is proposing this? I got Senator Bramble to back his off a few years ago after a conversation

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st of all the potential ways minors can select harmful things on the internet. There is more than just web pages out there. From: Zach Underwood Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking Are you talking about https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017

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a.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/6/2018 11:25:16 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking We also used X-Stop and loved it. They did a phenomenal job with their service, and we actually made good money from charging for our "filtering" service (especially to school districts and large busi

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I block fake news... -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking My thoughts exactly. Who exactly defines what is acceptable and what is not? Jeff Sessions? Howard Dean? Ted Cruz? Sean Hannity? Frederic Q

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Wish someone would do that for me. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking Similar here, but the opposite. "Bad stuff" comes up on whatever we are watching, and I have to put my hand over her eyes and sing somethin

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hat was murdered. Not a prude though, boobs are good. *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] blocking thats the same in law enforcement, one of the police fellas I know had a gig similar, you dont get to unsee any of that On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 a

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My thoughts exactly. Who exactly defines what is acceptable and what is not? Jeff Sessions? Howard Dean? Ted Cruz? Sean Hannity? Frederic Q. Schwartz? bp On 2/6/2018 8:20 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: The great firewall of Utah? Block everything and only let

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the pricing on that power would be crazy for that much user traffic. The fortinet solution we looked at once was upwards of 200k for a network our size at the time, how do you recoup that from 500 customers? wait... I see what this whole thing is about, nothing to do with protecting children, its

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rude though, boobs are good. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:38 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] blocking > > thats the same in law enforcement, one of the police fellas I know had a > gig similar, you dont get to unsee any of that

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Does Barracuda have anything that extravagant? You would have to have a service that has the ability to dynamically keep up with the changes and multi layers of how these things can be transported. Ports is only one layer but then you have Regex or layer 7 and maybe dns. the layer7 stuff is

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that was murdered. Not a prude though, boobs are good. From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking thats the same in law enforcement, one of the police fellas I know had a gig similar, you dont get to unsee any of that On Tue, Feb 6, 2018

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day, February 6, 2018 9:01 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] blocking > > Are you talking about > <https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/states-introduce-dubious-legislation-ransom-internet> > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/states-introduce- > dubi

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gislative conference call. Ping has a > payload area. > > Ping me baby, ping me so goood! > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:24 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] blocking > > I bet we could embed porn in the data portion of ICMP echo

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Ping me baby, ping me so goood! > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:24 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] blocking > > I bet we could embed porn in the data portion of ICMP echo requests. > > > -- Original Message -- >

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Services >> 417.851.1107 >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:18:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking >> >> So, you can't use a 3rd

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I made that point during a legislative conference call. Ping has a payload area. Ping me baby, ping me so goood! From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking I bet we could embed porn in the data portion of ICMP echo requests

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And then what do you allow? Bare shoulders? Saying crap or fudge? Curtains blowing in the breeze. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking On 2/6/18 8:20 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: The great

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:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:01 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] blocking Are you talking about https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/states-introduce-dubious-legislation-ransom-internet this style of blocking? If you are talking about that style of blocking then as ISP we fight

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quot;Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:18:49 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking > > So, you can't use a 3rd party solution? Where is the logic in that? I > used to help administer a schools Sonic Wall and had

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.@wbmfg.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:48:38 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] blocking I have some proposed legislation I am facing about porn blocking again.  But they are not defining the type of service.  It is one thing to block web traffic, but how about netflix or twitter

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I bet we could embed porn in the data portion of ICMP echo requests. -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/6/2018 11:22:53 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking Cannot be a 3rd party solution? All ISP's must re-invent

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On 2/6/18 8:20 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: The great firewall of Utah? Block everything and only let "approved" sites through. Yeah the only way would be to default deny and selectively allow. Even then that's not foolproof. Who knows what crazy shit people will come up with next on the

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: [AFMUG] blocking The proposed solution is that any ISP over 500 customers has to provide some kind of blocking technology to prevent harm to minors. And it cannot be a 3rd party solution. I want to come up with an exhaustive list of all the potential ways minors can select harmful things

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-- Original Message -- From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/6/2018 11:18:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking On 2/6/18 7:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have some proposed legislation I am facing about porn blocking again. But they

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If a minor gets an XBox gift card, are you in charge of making sure they don't use it to download Grand Theft Auto? It would be Adult content coming through your connection. What about any game with an Online chat function, scrub and block those as well. On 2/6/2018 10:18 AM, Seth Mattinen

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af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:18:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking So, you can't use a 3rd party solution? Where is the logic in that? I used to help administer a schools Sonic Wall and had to occasionally white list sites that had been blocked so kids could do research on breast

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with an exhaustive list of all the potential ways minors can select harmful things on the internet. There is more than just web pages out there. *From:* Zach Underwood *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:01 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] blocking Are you talking about https://www.eff.org

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On 2/6/18 7:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have some proposed legislation I am facing about porn blocking again. But they are not defining the type of service.  It is one thing to block web traffic, but how about netflix or twitter or skype or.. I want to play defense here and force the

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but I always thought they did a good job Craig - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:48:38 AM Subject: [AFMUG] blocking I have some proposed legislation I am facing about porn blocking again. But they are not defining

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. There is more than just web pages out there. From: Zach Underwood Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blocking Are you talking about https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/states-introduce-dubious-legislation-ransom-internet this style of blocking

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Are you talking about https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/states-introduce-dubious-legislation-ransom-internet this style of blocking? If you are talking about that style of blocking then as ISP we fight this as it is not the ISP job to block. If someone wants to block this type of content when

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I have some proposed legislation I am facing about porn blocking again. But they are not defining the type of service. It is one thing to block web traffic, but how about netflix or twitter or skype or.. I want to play defense here and force the lawmakers to define exactly what we need

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That's. awesome.. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 2:23:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech S

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Works for me. -Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 1:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn Rory that page is 404 :( -Original Message- From: "Rory McCann" <rmm.li...@gmail.com>

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On 1/4/2016 9:42 AM, Nate Burke wrote: We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their house. The person who has the 'problem' is tech savvy, and is using VPN Services. Is there any way to block someone like this? I'm guessing any content filtering wouldn't work because

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one smart kid to remove it. and -Original Message- Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn From: "Philip Rankin" <wireless...@gmail.com> To: af <af@afmug.com> Date: 01/06/16 04:33:16am Not really. There is a little program that open dns supplies t

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I have used open dns pretty successfully. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Upsidedownternet :) > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Jan 5, 2016 9:40 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"

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Upsidedownternet :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 5, 2016 9:40 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > Google 'obfsproxy' , it can be used with a self hosted tor relay or > openvpn. Make all your net traffic look

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Philip that requires an static IP for one customer fyi. Tim -Original Message- From: "Philip Rankin" <wireless...@gmail.com> To: af <af@afmug.com> Date: 01/05/16 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn I have used open dns pretty success

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Google 'obfsproxy' , it can be used with a self hosted tor relay or openvpn. Make all your net traffic look like http (not HTTPS) cat jpegs. On Jan 5, 2016 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > Yup. If you really want to get around VPN blockers, proxies, and things > like ssh

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. > > Tim > > -- > -Original Message- > From: "Philip Rankin" <wireless...@gmail.com> > To: af <af@afmug.com> > Date: 01/05/16 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn > > I have used open d

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Philip I know what program your talking about and it only takes one smart kid to remove it. -Original Message- Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn From: "Philip Rankin" <wireless...@gmail.com> To: af <af@afmug.com> Date: 01/06/16

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Yup. If you really want to get around VPN blockers, proxies, and things like ssh tunnels... It's really hard when the person you want to block controls both ends of the tunnel. On Jan 4, 2016 3:00 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > It takes some fairly deep packet inspection to

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It takes some fairly deep packet inspection to 'block' an openvpn server running in TCP mode (not the default UDP) on port 443. I have an openvpn instance for just this purpose, in case I get stuck somewhere like a wifi captive portal in an airport lounge behind an overly restrictive firewall. On

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January 4, 2016 11:44:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn It depends on just how tech savvy the person is. We had a similar situation a while back. Customer's kid was using VPNs to bypass whatever controls the customer had in place. We sold the customer a Mikroti

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As an ISP why are you wasting your time 'blocking' anything other than standard ACLs like port 139/windows file sharing? It's not your duty or responsibility. If people want to implement their own firewall at their self-owned router/CPE, let them, or if they want to buy some net nanny software

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http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2084381/blocking-vpn-students-blocked-websites.html Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers -

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; Honestly - why is this your problem as the ISP? >> >> With a VPN in the mix, it will definitely create some challenges >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:43 AM >>

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Low tech solution: put the computer where you can see it. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 9:42 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their house

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VPN hides the traffic, so anything in it is getting through. Could you do 1kbps for all VPN traffic? Block porn with opendns and drop DNS to anything else? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 4, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke"

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: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:43 AM To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their house. The person who has the 'problem' i

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We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their house. The person who has the 'problem' is tech savvy, and is using VPN Services. Is there any way to block someone like this? I'm guessing any content filtering wouldn't work because the VPN is terminating on the computer

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He can probably shift quite a few ports/methods around, or create vpns he controls to amazon., etc. Or Tor. Etc etc for every solution you come up with, there's a way around it. Also, this is a social/hr "issue". Treat it as such. On Jan 4, 2016 9:45 AM, "Josh Luthman"

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and jail are about the only thing that works there. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:42 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their house. The person who has

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, January 4, 2016 10:43 AM To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their house. The person who has the 'problem' is tech savvy, and is using VPN Services. Is there any way to block s

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Or is it a wife that thinks her husband should have no interest in such things... -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 9:07 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn I wonder if the kid has a real problem or if it's

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ewart wrote: >>>> >>>>> Honestly - why is this your problem as the ISP? >>>>> >>>>> With a VPN in the mix, it will definitely create some challenges >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> Fro

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eless.net> > wrote: > >> Barracuda Web Filter. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 9:30 AM >> *To:* Animal Farm >&g

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Honestly - why is this your problem as the ISP? With a VPN in the mix, it will definitely create some challenges -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:43 AM To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> Subject:

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is your problem as the ISP? > > With a VPN in the mix, it will definitely create some challenges > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:43 AM > To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> > Sub

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riginal Message- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke >>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:43 AM >>> To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn >>> >>> We're deali

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Barracuda Web Filter. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:30 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn We used Lightspeed solutions at district but pricey.Untangle is free and full

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hours of traffic per day to sex cam sites. My wife on the other hand is addicted to www.cuteoverload.com. Is there a 12 step program for cat video addiction? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 10:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn

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af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their house. The person who has the 'problem' is tech savvy, and is using

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and just needs to stop someone inside. In that case, you put the > IP address under these restrictions. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 9:47 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subje

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service and just needs to stop someone inside. In that case, you put the IP address under these restrictions. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn Which

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It depends on just how tech savvy the person is. We had a similar situation a while back. Customer's kid was using VPNs to bypass whatever controls the customer had in place. We sold the customer a Mikrotik, and set it up to block the standard VPN ports. Problem solved--at least so

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9:53 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Honestly - why is this your problem as the ISP? >>>>>> >>>>>> With a VPN in the mix, it will definitely create some challenges >>>>>> >>>>>> -

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We used Lightspeed solutions at district but pricey.Untangle is free and full version is low cost.. On Jan 4, 2016 8:42 AM, "Nate Burke" wrote: > We're dealing with a customer who is trying to block porn from their > house. The person who has the 'problem' is tech savvy,

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e: >>> >>>> Honestly - why is this your problem as the ISP? >>>> >>>> With a VPN in the mix, it will definitely create some challenges >>>> >>>> -----Original Message- >>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf

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That was my thought, there's always a way around. Where there's a will, there's a way. On 1/4/2016 9:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: He can probably shift quite a few ports/methods around, or create vpns he controls to amazon., etc. Or Tor. Etc etc for every solution you come up with, there's a

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eb Filter. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 9:30 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Blocking Tech Savvy person from Porn > > > > We used Lightspeed solutions

[AFMUG] blocking tcp/ephemeral to tcp/ephemeral ... bad?

What would be the downside of using a firewall rule to block TCP traffic where BOTH source and destination port are 1024-65535 or maybe 2-65535? Talking about an ordinary subscriber. I have a customer with lots of such traffic and not much success convincing him it's probably bad. If I