Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Caleb Knauer
Customers need tech support. Residential will need more support but you can work with the urgency. Business will need less support typically but will be much more urgent. It's hard to grow a business if you're the only one putting out fires. Have support in place before it gets rolling hard.

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Adam Moffett
ASN? What Wimax product are you using? Think long and hard about your upstream options. Im sitting here with a down network because of our ASN hanging out in a BGP void our upstream created. My boss can fire me over this, if youre the owner, you wont have anybody to fire On Tue, Jan 6,

Re: [AFMUG] Managing Linux Updates

2015-01-07 Thread Christopher Tyler
And you should run a local repository if at all possible. If you have a lot of machines it will save you boatloads of time and bandwidth. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] New micro pop

2015-01-07 Thread That One Guy
I hate our ubnt 365, it was cheap and handy, but is now a big problem to forklift it out of the way. If youre down in trees and wont impact any other sites you could get away with it, but like Josh said, 5.1 is the way to go, 3ghz wont really propagate any better On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:01 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Baird
I second this. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:51 AM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: Attend either Animal Farm (www.afmug.com) or the WISPA show in St Louis http://www.cvent.com/events/wispamerica-2015/event-summary-5fddb419659f4b57871bfd2d0b690a85.aspx You will learn a lot at either show.

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Jason McKemie
Also, don't plan on doing anything else for a while. And I mean ANYTHING else - a bathroom break might be possible, however. On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Customers need tech support. Residential will need more support but you can work with the

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2015-01-07 Thread Sean Heskett
There is for sure something wrong that a good electrician should be able to fix On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Our temps are Below 0 now, and one of my APC UPS's at a site keeps sending an alert 'Site wiring fault' then clears a few minutes later. The

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
We have three side by side, left two about 8 deg from edge to edge, other one on right about 12deg edge to edge, another about 50deg off On January 7, 2015 8:10:38 PM AKST, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: you can easily put 4 links on the same tower every 90deg. All would

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
We have 5 on one site, no problems. Very narrow beam and fz on 24ghz On January 7, 2015 7:51:01 PM AKST, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: There is a company here with four on one tower. I have no idea how they aren't interfering with themselves. Then again, they are also shooting one 9.5

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Erich Kaiser
Trying to shoot to two buildings in the same path. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Are you meaning two AF24s on the same path, going for 1.5 GB FDX or just two on one tower pointing different directions? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
The beamwidth is pretty narrow. We have many back to back running FD on opposite TX and RX, but none on the same azimuth. On January 7, 2015 6:54:36 PM AKST, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: Can you stack two AF24s on top of eachother as long as the TX frequencies are the

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2015-01-07 Thread Jeremy
We had one like that once and neutral and ground were swapped. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: There is for sure something wrong that a good electrician should be able to fix On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Our temps

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Using HDTV as Web Browser

2015-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
How about a “compute stick”: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/intels-compute-stick-is-a-full-windows-or-linux-pc-in-an-hdmi-dongle/ avail March or an HP Stream Mini: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hps-new-mini-pcs-give-you-complete-windows-desktops-starting-at-180/ avail February

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Jeremy
There is a company here with four on one tower. I have no idea how they aren't interfering with themselves. Then again, they are also shooting one 9.5 miles and another 4.5 miles and another 8.5 miles. Not this guy! On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
Sorry, same tx on the sites I forgot, opposite directions On January 7, 2015 7:48:03 PM AKST, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Tripods within 3ft of one another, different to and rx on the site On January 7, 2015 7:46:41 PM AKST, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: so your

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Carlos Alcantar
don’t know about the google apps side of support but with the google cloud offerings you get a live person on the phone that knows what they are talking about. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 /

Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 talk to a PTP450?

2015-01-07 Thread Bill Prince
Working very well. Getting 8x/8x at 8.8 miles. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/7/2015 6:40 PM, Steve D wrote: I guess on that note, this is a good time as any to ask how people are finding the ptp450's to run?

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Are you meaning two AF24s on the same path, going for 1.5 GB FDX or just two on one tower pointing different directions? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com To:

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Erich Kaiser
Already did, but didn't give much detail. Just wondering if anyone has done this and their experience? On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: HI Erich, Going by memory... there was detailed info on how to setup multiple AF24 on the same tower in the

[AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Erich Kaiser
Can you stack two AF24s on top of eachother as long as the TX frequencies are the opposite and both are master units or do we need to run in HDX mode? Erich

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Jon Langeler
you can easily put 4 links on the same tower every 90deg. All would typically have the same Tx on the tower side. 10mi? what state? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:51 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: There is a company here with four on one tower. I have no idea how they

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 GPS Sync question

2015-01-07 Thread Jeremy
Utah On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: you can easily put 4 links on the same tower every 90deg. All would typically have the same Tx on the tower side. 10mi? what state? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:51 PM, Jeremy

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
But Mike are you talking about your Bruce Wayne identity with the county, or your Batman crime-fighting tower-climbing WISP-running alter ego? When you talk about 2 LDAP servers and $600 worth of voice and $1,500 worth of VPLS, that doesn’t sound like WISP stuff, I’m thinking it’s day job

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2015-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
I had that at one grain handling site and also your fingers would tingle when you touched any of the electrical boxes. It went away when they had the electrician fix the ground. So I’d be at least mildly worried regarding personal safety. Some rural electricians will interchange neutral and

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Josh, Because if anything goes wrong with that other service they will call you anyway. At least on my system I have logs to looks at. I can tell in 5 minutes that they typed the e-mail in wrong instead of taking 30 minutes to explain to that why I can't help them. -- Best regards, Mark

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
I provide a conduit, I do not make money performing tech support for Netflix or Hulu, they have staff that provides support for those things. Are you providing support at 3am for email? Google is. On January 7, 2015 3:53:53 PM AKST, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: Josh,

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint deploying on cell towers

2015-01-07 Thread Jeremy
I think it is Cambridge isn't it? On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: What gear? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Just saw these today on a Crown Castle tower Jaime

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread That One Guy
we use sherweb now for hosted exchange (its compliant for banks and healthcare auditors) and rackspace for standard mail. We have made reselling hosted exchange profitable, the email only loses a little bit of money, but we offset that by charging crazy amounts for email if you go over the number

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I remember 300 baud modems that were 4 wire EM connections. From: Rex-List Account Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 6:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails Dude I remember my 300 baud modem that cost an arm and leg and had to wait because it was special order only and

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Anyone else here grow up with an outhouse instead of an indoor toilet? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails Oh boy, it's the which of one of us can remember the oldest thing contest. Do you remember when you had to

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I am planning to revert to morse code when that happens. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails You’ll be sorry after the zombie apocalypse, when Chuck and I are roasting smilodon over an open fire while checking email

Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

2015-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
I wish everything would happily run on 29 volts like the Cambium stuff. Phoenix Contact has some DIN rail UPS gear that puts out regulated 24V when on commercial power, but raw battery voltage when on batteries. So what good is that? From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:51

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Trevor Bough
Thank you guys so much for all of the info. I'm so glad that I stumbled upon this community. You guys are great!

Re: [AFMUG] Managing Linux Updates

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Baird
I replied over on the WISPA list, but here it is again: Scheduling a 'yum -y update' is really not a good idea. Updates can be tricky, but in larger shops, I often use Pulp to manage yum repositories for fleets of RHEL/CentOS boxes. I sync RHEL/CentOS repositories to my Pulp repos nightly, and

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Christopher Tyler
War dialing. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:01:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails I remember 300 baud

[AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed TowerCoverage

2015-01-07 Thread Dennis Burgess
http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGCo-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing and recent advancesments in TowerCoverage.com Join us live and ask questions about “Bridging vs Routing” and towercoverage.com! Wednesday 11am CST

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
From my understanding, both. Josh Luthman and I have talked to a vendor wanting to provide a solution. IKANO is selling their solution (more expensive than GMail). To be honest, I'm considering quitting on email service. Tell all the users to setup a Gmail, Hotmail, or Yahoo. Then provide a

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Things to do: Pick the right radio the first time. I am partial to Cambium products. This is like getting married and having a bunch of kids and having a bunch of inlaws move in with you. Don’t screw it up. You have to live with it 24/7/365. Get into fiber as soon as you can. Take

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I pushed the button causing the Big Bang... From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:59 AM To: af@afmug.com ; Ken Hohhof Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails Boy you wouldn't believe the sizes of those amoebas back in my day, you young whippersnappers. We all lived in this big

[AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2015-01-07 Thread Nate Burke
Our temps are Below 0 now, and one of my APC UPS's at a site keeps sending an alert 'Site wiring fault' then clears a few minutes later. The APC Knowledge base lists off some various reasons, Overloaded Neutral, Disconnected Groud, but basically says call an electrician. Is this something I

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
If it was me I'd call the landlord and let them know your unit is detecting a problem on the AC side. Ask if they can take a look at it before there are any electrical problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2015-01-07 Thread Christopher Tyler
+1 -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:52:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault Good luck with

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
That's the WISP. The county is just one of many clients, though they do take the most time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint deploying on cell towers

2015-01-07 Thread Gino Villarini
Ohh yeah, I can spot it Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 7, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.commailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is Cambridge isn't it? On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: What gear?

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Yes I am and no, Google does not provide support for anything. If it's not in their KB (which it never is), you're SOL. There's no way to contact support. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
That's so wrong... I have a support phone number and pin... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 7, 2015 8:45 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yes I am and no, Google does not provide support for anything. If it's not in

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
I've never found any kind of support for anything Google other than their open community, which has the occasional appearance by a Google employee. 24/7 my customers can call my support and they'll be assisted. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint deploying on cell towers

2015-01-07 Thread Jaime Solorza
The dish and 28GHz sectors below the top antennas on triangle mount Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Ohh yeah, I can spot it Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 7, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Jeremy

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint deploying on cell towers

2015-01-07 Thread Jaime Solorza
The 5Ghz stuff is made by Smartrove from mac address look up Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: The dish and 28GHz sectors below the top antennas on triangle mount Jaime Solorza Wireless

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Jason McKemie
This is my experience as well. On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: i have not been notified that our free grandfathered account is going away. i think it's only the apps for isp -sean On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Christopher Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
My Google Apps has a number to call where I can get an answer, maybe you're not including all services? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 7, 2015 8:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I've never found any kind of

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
I've interfaced directly with the Google developers on my wife's initial Chromebook issues, so I don't think that's actually the case. On January 7, 2015 4:45:10 PM AKST, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yes I am and no, Google does not provide support for anything. If it's not in their KB

Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 talk to a PTP450?

2015-01-07 Thread Craig House
Got 4 pairs of 450's in the air with no problems. The only real issue I had getting them to work was when we put the first pair up, I had to disable the 5.4 scan channels on the slave before it would register on the 5.8 channel it was set to. It would see the BHM at --55 but never connect

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Caleb Knauer
If they complain, explain it to them like how awesome number portability is with cell phones now, and one universal email is similar. One number/email, goes wherever you go, keeps contact and update mgt s much easier. I plan on having one cell number and one real email until I die. Or until

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
You’ll be sorry after the zombie apocalypse, when Chuck and I are roasting smilodon over an open fire while checking email on our 300 baud modems. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails Oh boy, it's the which of one of

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Rex-List Account
Well the farthest back I can remember is the day I was born. I don’t remember the doc coming in the room but I remember him leaving. J From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double

Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

2015-01-07 Thread Bill Prince
Yes, there is temp compensation, but not that important to me with the sites we're putting it in. The load is isolated from the batteries, which is why it can do multi-stage charging (recovery/boost/float). However, based on the literature, the load voltage will follow the battery voltage.

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
but backhauls use more power than APs, traditionally. Cambium tower radios support 48v. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7,

Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 talk to a PTP450?

2015-01-07 Thread Matt
Any chance of that? I know it sounds silly but would make alignment real easy since we'd be converting to connectorized antenna's at the same time. I suspect the answer to be no but figured worth an ask... Sure would be nice if the problems with the PTP230 would be fixed. Seems like all our

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Mathew Howard
I'm considering upconverting instead... it would actually be a lot easier, but I think it's probably going to make more sense in this particular case to go with a 48v power supply. that said, what would be a good option for a 24v to 48v upconverter? On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Well assuming the Mimosa is like 50 watts, how much efficiency is really going to happen here? Say it's crazy at 10% you're saving 5 watts. The downside is your regulator needs to carry the wattage of say 8 APs, a router, etc at 100 watts. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
good stuff. i was fidonet 1:3607/22 , then 1:3603/22, then, well, hmm - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails I ran 3 different BBS's back in the day. Used to make ANSI art

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
calling grannys who cuss. - Original Message - From: Christopher Tyler To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails War dialing. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Mathew Howard
The Mimosa specs actually say 20 watts max - I have no idea what they actually use. The reason I'm looking at doing 48v and down-converting is that I only have low voltage cable buried to the tower, so I'd be putting the down-converter at the base of the tower and running that at 48v to cut down

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Baird
Meanwell RSD series. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I'm considering upconverting instead... it would actually be a lot easier, but I think it's probably going to make more sense in this particular case to go with a 48v power supply. that said, what

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Bill Prince
We straddled the fence. I was always lucky enough to have an indoor toilet, but our cousins (that we visited regularly) had the one out back. Ahh the farm life. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/7/2015 7:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Anyone else here grow up with an outhouse instead of an

[AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Mathew Howard
I need to power a Mimosa B5 at a site where I only have DC at the tower, would a WBMFG GigE-POE be the best thing to use to power one of these? Also, since I'm going to need to be converting to 48v, I'm thinking of using a Meanwell AD-155C and an RSD-100C to downconvert to 24v for everything else

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
It would do it. Best? Yes in my opinion. But that is only an opinion. May not truly be the best option for you. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:24 AM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector I need to power a Mimosa B5 at a site where I only have DC at the

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Bill Prince
*** Take all the free advice from Chuck McCown you can get... bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/7/2015 7:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Things to do: Pick the right radio the first time. I am partial to Cambium products. This is like getting married and having a bunch of kids and

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Rex-List Account
DING DING DING I think we have the winner! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails I pushed the button causing the Big Bang... From: Josh Reynolds

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Bill Prince
I fabricated the button from bits of dark matter. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/7/2015 8:01 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I pushed the button causing the Big Bang... *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:59 AM *To:* af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Alaska does not count. You guys still have to comb the sand out of your beards. (a Putin reference) From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:15 AM To: af@afmug.com ; Bill Prince Subject: Re: [AFMUG] double emails I'd say roughly 20% of the toilets here in Alaska are

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
For one device on 48v I'd do 24v natively and go up. Otherwise you have 1 part that you need to scale with for the rest of the tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Cambium's latest is 24v Ubnt is 24v Mikrotik is 24v Big backhauls are 48v, but you typically have more APs than backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread joseph marsh
Make sure u have spare equipment for a tower in case of lighting. Strike I have Learned this the hard way On Jan 7, 2015 11:45 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: in 2004 I fired 4 employees for stealing, pawning gear and drug abuse. They were making good money and started

Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

2015-01-07 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/6/15 19:58, Adam Moffett wrote: What's wrong? You don't like prying the batteries out of the APC with a tire iron? man up dude :) The latest gen of SmartUPS finally added t-comp charging. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Baird
I haven't been notified that any of my grandfathered accounts are going away, either. Josh On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: i have not been notified that our free grandfathered account is going away. i think it's only the apps for isp -sean On Wed, Jan

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
Haha, watch the movie Moneyball for how to fire someone. From: joseph marsh Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [BULK] Re: [AFMUG] New WISP +1 On Jan 7, 2015 11:39 AM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: Yes. Wish I would have learned this

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Sean Heskett
i have not been notified that our free grandfathered account is going away. i think it's only the apps for isp -sean On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: So... Has anyone found a good solution for Gmail yet? If so I would love to hear it. Also

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Doesn't take much time or money and the system is already there for supporting businesses. You do have businesses in Alaska, don't you? :-p Plus performance (for those business clients). Talking to DJ that manages the WISPA lists. My mail servers (I have seven VMs, though two are for

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
LDAP, LDAP replica, mailbox, mailbox, smtp, smtp, proxy - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 12:49:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
You should try to get ERate contracts for the more rural schools. MSPs will have the urban stuff locked up tight. On January 7, 2015 10:09:06 AM AKST, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Kinda the same, kinda not. The price points are different, but symmetric on-net connectivity is expensive

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Paul McCall
We only have a couple hundred customers on it, but the concept for having a domain for your subs is to keep them just a little more “sticky”. It seems to work and if they do cancel we charge them $ 5 a month to keep the account, invoiced quarterly. We have almost no calls on email with

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Mr. Obama made sure that our schools got fiber in the ARRA. Just when I was approved to do this stuff, the grants were announced. I've had trouble getting through to the more rural ones. *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original

Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Baird
Yeah, but who wants to spend money on brand new units? :) On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/6/15 19:58, Adam Moffett wrote: What's wrong? You don't like prying the batteries out of the APC with a tire iron? man up dude :) The latest gen of

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Baird
You have seven VM's just for your Zimbra implementation? What are their roles? This seems like a lot. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Doesn't take much time or money and the system is already there for supporting businesses. You do have businesses in

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
Why provide a service that costs you time and money when others provide a better service for free that they (customers) have access to with your internet service? Just doesn't make any sense. This isn't 1998. On January 7, 2015 8:39:48 AM AKST, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I think every

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Caleb Knauer
I am inviting you to find your happiness elsewhere. -- This is awesome. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: One more thing: Fire people. Do not suffer with a problem employee. Screw up your courage and take care of the problem, do not let it fester. That

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Not my invention. Disney uses that. -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP I am inviting you to find your happiness elsewhere. -- This is awesome. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

2015-01-07 Thread Andy Trimmell
Make yourself a signal threshold for installing a customer. NEVER install a customer because you feel sorry for them even if their neighbor is your customer. They'll boohoo and cry but no is doing them and yourself a favor. If it's not within your operating signal threshold don't waiver. If

[AFMUG] Managing Linux Updates

2015-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
In Windows, there's WSUS, SCCM, etc. for managing the update process on a bunch of machines. How are you guys managing that in Linux? I have mostly (if not completely) CentOS and Debian, ranging from version 5 (I hope not any older) to version 7. I'd like to think that I'd want something more

Re: [AFMUG] Managing Linux Updates

2015-01-07 Thread Adam Moffett
On Ubuntu there's an auto update service. It can do security updates only, or everything except the kernel. Since kernel updates require a restart and might require recompiling modules (ie for Asterisk) you would still login periodically and do those from the CLI.though I seem to think

[AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

2015-01-07 Thread Christopher Tyler
So... Has anyone found a good solution for Gmail yet? If so I would love to hear it. Also does anyone know if the free service is also going away or was it just Apps for ISP's paid? We have one domain that was grandfathered in and one that is paid. Just wondering if we'll have to migrate the

Re: [AFMUG] New micro pop

2015-01-07 Thread Mathew Howard
I don't really see a lot of point in going with 3.65 there... if you're going with ubnt, 5ghz is cheaper and better, go with 5.1 and you'll most likely stay out of the way of any routers. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:03 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I hate our ubnt 365, it was

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
I remember running Fortran programs on Tymshare from a teletype over dialup, with the phone handset sitting in the modem. You’d wait for hours, wondering if it was still working, tempted to pick up the handset and listen if there was still modem tone. I also remember using a Silent 700

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Adam Moffett
Oh boy, it's the which of one of us can remember the oldest thing contest. Do you remember when you had to hunt smilodon with a flint spearhead? Boy those were the days eh? I remember running Fortran programs on Tymshare from a teletype over dialup, with the phone handset sitting in the

Re: [AFMUG] double emails

2015-01-07 Thread Adam Moffett
lol On 1/7/2015 10:38 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You’ll be sorry after the zombie apocalypse, when Chuck and I are roasting smilodon over an open fire while checking email on our 300 baud modems. *From:* Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:31 AM *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
That's a good reason to use 48v IMO Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: The Mimosa specs actually say 20 watts max - I have no idea what they actually use.

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
It's $75 and better to have more than enough that not enough Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like the smallest RSD that will do 24v in and 48v out

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa DC PoE injector

2015-01-07 Thread Mathew Howard
True. I have a couple of other sites with AirFibers that I need to get on to DC power, where I'm thinking it's going to make more sense to upconvert so I don't have to mess with the current battery setup. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's $75

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