Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Chuck McCown
When you strip it, it sure looks bare. All the color is gone. After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe. And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there too. Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would contaminate the burn.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

2017-08-10 Thread Josh Reynolds
Integrating the OLT and ONT with all of their other products (AirFiber, EdgeRouter, Prism, CPE, etc) in a single pane of glass, for one (and for free). Outside of that? TBD. On Aug 10, 2017 9:42 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

2017-08-10 Thread Brett A Mansfield
I got mine in the beta store. It's pretty neat. I have decided to go active fiber though so now I have no use for it. I have the OLT and three ONTs that I got for testing. I never even open the box for one of the ONTs. I had ten beta ONTs that I've stress tested and destroyed. They handle quite

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

2017-08-10 Thread Mike Hammett
The ONTs are pretty. This is all old news, though. https://www.facebook.com/pg/thebrotherswisp/photos/?tab=album_id=997555730369879 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jon Langeler"

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

2017-08-10 Thread Jon Langeler
Maybe price point for low density deployments and the ubiquiti interface. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought it. > What are they doing

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

2017-08-10 Thread Adam Moffett
I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought it. What are they doing different from any other fiber? -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM Subject: [AFMUG]

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

2017-08-10 Thread Jason McKemie
Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it? All at the beta store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave has an item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the beta store. Is it really this much of a jump in price?

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Jason McKemie
Fair enough, clears up some of the confusion at least. Thanks. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > If you look at breakout kits, you'll see they're made for either 250um > (bare) or 900um (tight buffered). > Pigtails are 250 or 900. > Furcation tubing

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Adam Moffett
If you look at breakout kits, you'll see they're made for either 250um (bare) or 900um (tight buffered). Pigtails are 250 or 900. Furcation tubing can be for 250 or 900. probably other examples which my rum and coke are hiding from my conscious mind. I read catalogs. Yeah I'm weird.

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Jason McKemie
Yeah, but I've never seen it referred to as 250µm. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to > handle. What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um acrylic > coating,

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Adam Moffett
If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to handle. What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um acrylic coating, probably with color added. It's the barest the fiber can be while still being workable. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Look at your e-mail headers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:03:34 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Mike Hammett
That should be a mailman setting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:06:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] test I get

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread Paul McCall
No extra charge for the 2nd copy either. If you want emails in triplicate, then yes, we do charge extra for that  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I do love the sound of my own voice. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] test And you read both to make sure they are identical... Jaime Solorza On Aug 10, 2017 4:06 PM, wrote: I get double, but only my own

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I prefer it to scan and email to me. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:16 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners We have an HP officejet pro all in one which we bought when the previous printer failed. The scan-to-network functionality is

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Steve Jones
One of our contract customers has a boatload of these and its ehat we use (fujitsu) On Aug 10, 2017 5:16 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > We have an HP officejet pro all in one which we bought when the previous > printer failed. > > The scan-to-network

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
Figured it out, where it was coming from ☺ whoo hooo ;) Dennis Burgess www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
yep Dennis Burgess www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Jason McKemie
That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit misleading in that case though. Strange way to specify the diameter. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating. > > > -- Original Message -- > From:

[AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot pages

2017-08-10 Thread Nate Burke
I have a site that is using Mikrotik Hotspot for a disclaimer/TOS page. It has been in place for years, and it hasn't been broke, so I haven't fixed it, (ROS v5.0rc3). The AP hardware has been upgraded, currently running ruckus XI-3 AP's. Recently I'm hearing from the site about once a week

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
And you read both to make sure they are identical... Jaime Solorza On Aug 10, 2017 4:06 PM, wrote: > I get double, but only my own postings. > > *From:* Dennis Burgess > *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:03 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] test > > > Well the

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
We have an HP officejet pro all in one which we bought when the previous printer failed. The scan-to-network functionality is awesome in this one... Just stick the document in the feeder and select 'scan to network'. Shows up on the NAS with no issues at all. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:49 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Adam Moffett
Mine have a "Delivered-To:" header, thought I don't know if that's added by the list or by my MTA. -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/10/2017 6:03:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] test Well the issue here is that

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Adam Moffett
I dunno bro, it's all I could think of. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/10/2017 6:10:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters Didn’t know that was the diameter of the paint. Seems like an odd thing to spec on a splitter as you always strip that

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread chuck
Didn’t know that was the diameter of the paint. Seems like an odd thing to spec on a splitter as you always strip that off. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Adam Moffett
A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters That sounds strange to me. Is there such a thing as PON on multi mode fiber? From:Jason McKemie Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread chuck
That sounds strange to me. Is there such a thing as PON on multi mode fiber? From: Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters I'm looking to possibly do a trial GPON deployment on a leg of my active network, it looks like the

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Adam Moffett
I haven't seen the device or the spec sheet, but I would assume they are talking about a 250um pigtail. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/10/2017 5:37:27 PM Subject: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters I'm

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread chuck
I get double, but only my own postings. From: Dennis Burgess Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] test Well the issue here is that it only shows to: af@afmug.com, it don’t tell me if I have too. Its possible, just don’t know what two J Dennis

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
Well the issue here is that it only shows to: af@afmug.com, it don’t tell me if I have too. Its possible, just don’t know what two ☺ Dennis Burgess www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Adam Moffett
I'm sure you would have thought of this, but are you subscribed with two email addresses? -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 8/10/2017 5:57:28 PM Subject: [AFMUG] test www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
Yep getting two messages for some reason ☹ Dennis Burgess www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:00 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread chuck
42 From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:59 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] test The answer is 1 Jaime Solorza On Aug 10, 2017 3:57 PM, "Dennis Burgess" wrote: www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net

Re: [AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
The answer is 1 Jaime Solorza On Aug 10, 2017 3:57 PM, "Dennis Burgess" wrote: > > > > > [image: DennisBurgessSignature] > > www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> – > dmburg...@linktechs.net > > >

[AFMUG] test

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
[DennisBurgessSignature] www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 x103 - dmburg...@linktechs.net

[AFMUG] PLC Splitters

2017-08-10 Thread Jason McKemie
I'm looking to possibly do a trial GPON deployment on a leg of my active network, it looks like the FS.com PLC Splitters are 250µm. However, singlemode fiber is usually spec'd at a cladding of 125µm. Are they just using a different measurement or some sort of oddly sized fiber? -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Jason McKemie
Thanks guys. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: > For what it’s worth, a friend of mine’s company does scanning on large > scale. They work with medical and legal outfits the most where they take > thousands and thousands of documents, scan them, and

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread chuck
Say again, words twice, student pilot... From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:29 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ? wwhhaatt ddoo yyoouu mmeeaann bbyy ttwwoo ccooppiieess?? On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Dennis Burgess

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
wwhhaatt ddoo yyoouu mmeeaann bbyy ttwwoo ccooppiieess?? On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > > > > > > > *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant * > > MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: at the lake

2017-08-10 Thread Brian Webster
Cue guitar solo………. For you young kids here is the song https://youtu.be/xJbSR9xRRbE quote and solo start at 4:08 Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
I think the Xerox are OEM Fujitsu because drivers for PCs show Xerox-Fujitsu on the floor standing 2 we have. Jaime Solorza On Aug 10, 2017 1:01 PM, "Paul Stewart" wrote: > For what it’s worth, a friend of mine’s company does scanning on large > scale. They work with

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Paul Stewart
For what it’s worth, a friend of mine’s company does scanning on large scale. They work with medical and legal outfits the most where they take thousands and thousands of documents, scan them, and through their software system created a fully searchable database application. Neat business

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Lewis Bergman
I'll second the Fujitsu ScanSnap iX500 Wireless Desktop Scanner. We have both it and 2 neats. While I like the simplicity of the neat scanners for a couple of reasons the Fujitsu seems to scan anything you can cram in it while the neat often refuses to scan a perfect piece of paper for some

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Yes, mailman is running in AWS. http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
I thought it was a AWS server? I guess its running mailman.. Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE For Wireless Hardware/Routers

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Of course not, mailman is the mailing list server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
Found it that is. Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
Don’t use mailman ☹ I think I may have found out though. Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit

[AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net Radio

Re: [AFMUG] anyone else getting two copies ?

2017-08-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Check your mailman settings. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:41:24 PM Subject: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Airview with Windows 10

2017-08-10 Thread Jeremy
Legacy AirView was quite a process. I used Firefox. Had to add the IP as a security exception. Then had to go into the java settings and allow the IP in there as well. Then when it runs you have to allow allow allow. Was a process. It fails the first time and then works after that. I think

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Alan Luelf
+1 for the ix500. We love ours Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:52 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote: > > I like my > > Fujitsu ScanSnap iX500 Wireless Desktop Scanner > > Auto feed, scans both sides, scans to PDF, straightens crooked scans, OCRs so > fully searchable

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-10 Thread Adam Moffett
Core alignment is betterbut the difference isn't much. If you have to splice into something older than a certain year (I can't remember the yearmaybe 2000-something?) then you have to have core alignment. I was told the manufacturing process changed at some point and the cladding

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

2017-08-10 Thread Rob Genovesi
Thanks everyone for the feedback - super helpful! Fujikura has the strong brand name, but seems like people have success with the other brands as well. I noticed the Fujikura 12s is clad alignment were the other options are core alignment. From what I've ready core alignment would be preferred?

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread SmarterBroadband
I like my Fujitsu ScanSnap iX500 Wireless Desktop Scanner Auto feed, scans both sides, scans to PDF, straightens crooked scans, OCRs so fully searchable PDF. Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:50 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] towerdirect.net

2017-08-10 Thread Alan Luelf
We have used them several times with good success. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:04 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > If I remember right they are the ones I have bought several towers from and a > few shelters. I have never purchased anything small though.

[AFMUG] UBNT Airview with Windows 10

2017-08-10 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We have some legacy UBNT radios running v5.5.6 and we are trying to use AirView but have been unable to get it load. Any suggestions on how to make it work with Windows 10? Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
These are printer, copier and scanner versions. Can email documents through them as well. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I like my all in one Sharp. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I like my all in one Sharp. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:06 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners I am working on a PC and just saw HR gal scan 30 sheets...sends them to her PC to a file...we have 3 here and 2 at camp.. Jaime Solorza On Aug

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
I am working on a PC and just saw HR gal scan 30 sheets...sends them to her PC to a file...we have 3 here and 2 at camp.. Jaime Solorza On Aug 10, 2017 8:52 AM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > They use Xerox ones at GPS...huge and fast... > > Jaime Solorza > > On Aug 10,

Re: [AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
They use Xerox ones at GPS...huge and fast... Jaime Solorza On Aug 10, 2017 8:49 AM, "Jason McKemie" wrote: > Any recommendations on these? There is a 5 year old thread I found where > Neat and Fujitsu were recommended - nothing newer though.

[AFMUG] Document scanners

2017-08-10 Thread Jason McKemie
Any recommendations on these? There is a 5 year old thread I found where Neat and Fujitsu were recommended - nothing newer though.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: at the lake

2017-08-10 Thread Colin Stanners
I'm at a music festival in the BC mountains right now, music will start blasting all day and night, people are walking around wearing the wackiest costumes (or nothing at all)... and still I'm amusing myself spotting SMs of the festival's local intranet (Canopy 2.4/900 FSK and looks like ePMP) and

Re: [AFMUG] Public WifI protection

2017-08-10 Thread Paul McCall
The Guest Wifi is on a complete different network (with rules) so no worries with Hippa etc. The data sync service runs at night (on a different port – with rules etc.). I guess mentioning that was irrelevant. I think you can force OpenDNS with a Mikrotik rule that redirects and DNS requests

Re: [AFMUG] OT RABID!!

2017-08-10 Thread Chuck McCown
That is what I was thinking, like did someone invent a super-fast super-smart crazy-effective spanning tree From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:07 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT RABID!! I don't know man...I think I would rather have rabid STP than rapid. It

Re: [AFMUG] Best BPX to work with Unifi Phones

2017-08-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I use pbx in a flash with good results. From: Adair Winter Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 7:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best BPX to work with Unifi Phones I programmed phone systems for almost 6 years as a career. Touched lots of different systems and I'd take the gui on

Re: [AFMUG] OT...cool shortwave stuff...

2017-08-10 Thread Lewis Bergman
That was interesting. Thanks Jaime On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:54 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > > http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170801-the-ghostly-radio-station-that-no-one-claims-to-run > Jaime Solorza >

Re: [AFMUG] OT RABID!!

2017-08-10 Thread Lewis Bergman
I don't know man...I think I would rather have rabid STP than rapid. It sounds like it would be a lot faster and really aggressive about route convergence. Do you have to kill it to eventually? On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:23 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Back in 1989 I

Re: [AFMUG] towerdirect.net

2017-08-10 Thread Lewis Bergman
If I remember right they are the ones I have bought several towers from and a few shelters. I have never purchased anything small though. 200' SS, 2 carrier, I think a 200' guyed 36" face, and maybe a 150' 2 carrier monopole. On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 11:37 PM Jeremy wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Public WifI protection

2017-08-10 Thread Timothy Steele
That data sync better be on a VPN and the guest Wifi better be on a Vlan you can get them and you in a lot of trouble... OpenDNS is good anyone that knows what there doing will get around Dns easy.. best way is to get real personal data some how and show guest or atleast use the script that shows