Re: [AFMUG] Fixing fiberglass ladders

[Steve Jones]

I dont figure. Theres that black carbon fiber wrap, i thought about that.
Not cause i think it will work but i want to check the tape out

On Feb 16, 2018 9:08 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

> I wouldn’t touch them with a 35 1/2 foot pole.
>
> > On Feb 16, 2018, at 21:55, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >
> > Ive got two broken ladders from tech drops. Can you fix these safely?
> Both tipped out the upper guides and popped through the fiberglass. I just
> hate to toss 2 otherwise good ladders in the trash
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jay Weekley]

We could take turns on the boring machine and play a game of utility 
shootout.  Third place is a water line, second place is communications 
and first place is a gas line.  Kind of like darts but with the 
possibility of explosions.


Steve Jones wrote:
Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal 
farm allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The 
industry has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn 
this thing fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks 
go to stuff like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE 
eggheads enough to build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke 
fibers into a hog and green light roast it from the inside.

Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from


On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" > wrote:


We’d be interested in that as well.

David Coudron

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
construction machinery.

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -

*From:*SmarterBroadband

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
justify the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
held the first one.

I have modified the afmug.com  page a
bit reflecting that something is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

*To:*af

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
people standing up and suggesting topics to discuss, and
putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space
and a time. For smaller groups, a single room works where
you claim time on the agenda.   For larger groups, you of
course need more space since there tends to be more things
people want to discuss than there is time on the agenda.  
In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends

up leading it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot
assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere
in Utah for something like this  I also wouldn't mind
taking the leadership role during the initial 20 minutes
to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout > wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no
real firm plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel
conference room and whoever shows up shows up.

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

   

Re: [AFMUG] Fixing fiberglass ladders

[Matt Hoppes]

I wouldn’t touch them with a 35 1/2 foot pole. 

> On Feb 16, 2018, at 21:55, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> Ive got two broken ladders from tech drops. Can you fix these safely? Both 
> tipped out the upper guides and popped through the fiberglass. I just hate to 
> toss 2 otherwise good ladders in the trash

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Steve Jones]

Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal farm
allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The industry
has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn this thing
fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks go to stuff like
that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE eggheads enough to build
out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke fibers into a hog and green
light roast it from the inside.
Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from


On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" 
wrote:

> We’d be interested in that as well.
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93
>
> On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some construction
> machinery.
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
> sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the
> fairpark venue.
>
> I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first
> one.
>
> I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is
> going to happen.
>
>
>
> All but the home page.
>
> I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.
>
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
>
> *To:* af
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space
> conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences
> aren't really set up well to handle this type of thing.
>
>
>
> Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout
> rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting
> topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a
> space and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim
> time on the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space
> since there tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is
> time on the agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic
> ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.
>
>
>
> I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for
> something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role
> during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process
> (which if done correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
> self-organizing process).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
>
>
> I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just
> play around with some stuff?
>
>
>
> TJ
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Red Iguana
>
>
>
> We could do it kinda like it started.
>
>
>
> Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and
> whoever shows up shows up.
>
>
>
> Not sure what Wispa would think about that...
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> 

[AFMUG] Fixing fiberglass ladders

[Steve Jones]

Ive got two broken ladders from tech drops. Can you fix these safely? Both
tipped out the upper guides and popped through the fiberglass. I just hate
to toss 2 otherwise good ladders in the trash

Re: [AFMUG] FS Planet GS-5220-46S2C4X Managed network switch - Used, 1U 48 Port SFP 4 Port SFP+

[Colin Stanners]

You're not the only one who found that out the hard way... they also don't
like extreme voltage variations.



On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I've got five (5) relatively new Planet 48 Port SFP 4 port SFP+ switches
> for $890.00 each if anyone wants them.
>
> They need to be in a good temperature-controlled environment though, temp
> swings make them angry.
>
> That's why I swapped them out and have them available.
>
> Just email me off list.
>

[AFMUG] FS Planet GS-5220-46S2C4X Managed network switch - Used, 1U 48 Port SFP 4 Port SFP+

[Sterling Jacobson]

I've got five (5) relatively new Planet 48 Port SFP 4 port SFP+ switches for 
$890.00 each if anyone wants them.

They need to be in a good temperature-controlled environment though, temp 
swings make them angry.

That's why I swapped them out and have them available.

Just email me off list.

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[David Coudron]

We’d be interested in that as well.

David Coudron



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some construction machinery.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -
From: SmarterBroadband
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..
Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.
I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.
I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.

All but the home page.
I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).



On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just play 
around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too.


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Jay Weekley" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
> down.  But 

Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

[chuck]

Unless you use RTK type of GPS receivers, the elevations are pretty low 
accuracy.

Most water managers want at least an inch of precision and accuracy.
The Great Salt Lake is measured to hundredths of a foot.

-Original Message- 
From: Roland Houin

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:05 PM
To: afmug
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

I was hoping I could just put a syncpipe in a bag & use the gps for 
elevation.

might not last very long or be very accurate.


Roland

Hmmm. Many of those monitoring stations have a culvert installed 
vertically

to stop wave action.
Not sure if they have a float system or what in the culvert. I have used
ultrasonic sensors to measure water levels in a water tank before.

-Original Message-
From: Roland Houin
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:51 PM
To: afmug
Subject: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

I have a customer needing to monitor lake levels
need accurate method (gps hopefully) to measure level above msl.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Roland Houin
Fourway.Net <

Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

[Roland Houin]

I was hoping I could just put a syncpipe in a bag & use the gps for elevation.
might not last very long or be very accurate.


Roland

> Hmmm. Many of those monitoring stations have a culvert installed vertically
to stop wave action.
Not sure if they have a float system or what in the culvert. I have used
ultrasonic sensors to measure water levels in a water tank before.

-Original Message-
From: Roland Houin
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:51 PM
To: afmug
Subject: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

I have a customer needing to monitor lake levels
need accurate method (gps hopefully) to measure level above msl.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Roland Houin
Fourway.Net <

Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

[Dave]

Look into the cambiumnetworks LongReach product for the communication piece.


On 02/16/2018 03:51 PM, Roland Houin wrote:

I have a customer needing to monitor lake levels
need accurate method (gps hopefully) to measure level above msl.


Anybody have any suggestions?


Roland Houin
Fourway.Net



--

Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

[chuck]

Hmmm.  Many of those monitoring stations have a culvert installed vertically 
to stop wave action.
Not sure if they have a float system or what in the culvert.  I have used 
ultrasonic sensors to measure water levels in a water tank before.


-Original Message- 
From: Roland Houin

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:51 PM
To: afmug
Subject: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

I have a customer needing to monitor lake levels
need accurate method (gps hopefully) to measure level above msl.


Anybody have any suggestions?


Roland Houin
Fourway.Net

[AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

[Roland Houin]

I have a customer needing to monitor lake levels
need accurate method (gps hopefully) to measure level above msl.


Anybody have any suggestions?


Roland Houin
Fourway.Net

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Dave]

Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93


On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some construction 
machinery.

*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -
*From:* SmarterBroadband
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify
the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held
the first one.

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something
is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

*To:*af

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space
conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA
conferences aren't really set up well to handle this type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then
breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing
up and suggesting topics to discuss, and putting those topics on
an agenda board claming a space and a time.   For smaller groups,
a single room works where you claim time on the agenda.   For
larger groups, you of course need more space since there tends to
be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends
up leading it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah
for something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the
leadership role during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the
topic 'selection' process (which if done correctly isn't really as
much a selection process as a self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm
plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
 wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference
room and whoever shows up shows up.

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse
to get some powder days in...oh, and the conference was
good too.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett
 wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 








*From: *"Jay Weekley" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal
Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we
got the process
> down. But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[chuck]

I am thinking of free.  Freeish.  

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Free…..

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

May or June?

 

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

 

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

 

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

  Chuck,  

   

  I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

   

  TJ

   

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Red Iguana

 

We could do it kinda like it started.  

 

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

 

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jay Weekley" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
  > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
  > *From:* TJ Trout
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  > Chuck,
  > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
  > unpalatable parts of planning?
  > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
  > wispa I haven't attended since...
  > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
  > wispamerica in 20 days?
  > TJ
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
  >  wrote:
  >
  > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Dennis Burgess]

BBQ..    

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

With BBQ

On 02/16/2018 12:21 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..
> 
> Adam
> 
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
> *ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
> *To:* af >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify
> the fairpark venue.
> 
> I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the
> first one.
> 
> I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something
> is going to happen.
> 
> All but the home page.
> 
> I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.
> 
> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
> 
> *Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
> 
> *To:*af
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space
> conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA
> conferences aren't really set up well to handle this type of thing.
> 
> Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then
> breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up
> and suggesting topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an
> agenda board claming a space and a time.   For smaller groups, a
> single room works where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger
> groups, you of course need more space since there tends to be more
> things people want to discuss than there is time on the agenda.   In
> the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading it
> in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.
> 
> I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah
> for something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the
> leadership role during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the
> topic 'selection' process (which if done correctly isn't really as
> much a selection process as a self-organizing process).
> 
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  > wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm
> plan, just play around with some stuff?
> 
> TJ
> 
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> 
> Red Iguana
> 
> We could do it kinda like it started.
> 
> Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference
> room and whoever shows up shows up.
> 
> Not sure what Wispa would think about that...
> 
> *From:*Cameron Crum
> 
> *Sent:*Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
> 
> *To:*af@afmug.com 
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to
> get some powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett
> > wrote:
> 
> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[SmarterBroadband]

Free…..

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

May or June?

 

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

 

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

 

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  > wrote:

Chuck,  

 

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just play 
around with some stuff? 

 

TJ

 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Red Iguana

 

We could do it kinda like it started.  

 

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

 

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Jay Weekley"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[chuck]

With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some construction machinery.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

  - Original Message - 
  From: SmarterBroadband 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

  Adam

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

   

  I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the 
fairpark venue.  

  I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first 
one.  

  I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going 
to happen.  

   

  All but the home page.

  I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

   

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

  To: af 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

   

  I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' 
or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

   

  Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

   

  I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for 
something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during 
the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if 
done correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

   

   

   

  On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

Chuck,  

 

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

 

TJ

 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Red Iguana

   

  We could do it kinda like it started.  

   

  Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and 
whoever shows up shows up.  

   

  Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

   

  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

   

  I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

   

   

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before. 
 
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days?
> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Robert Andrews]

With BBQ

On 02/16/2018 12:21 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -
*From:* SmarterBroadband 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify
the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the
first one.

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something
is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

*To:*af

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space
conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA
conferences aren't really set up well to handle this type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then
breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up
and suggesting topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an
agenda board claming a space and a time.   For smaller groups, a
single room works where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger
groups, you of course need more space since there tends to be more
things people want to discuss than there is time on the agenda.   In
the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading it
in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah
for something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the
leadership role during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the
topic 'selection' process (which if done correctly isn't really as
much a selection process as a self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout > wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm
plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference
room and whoever shows up shows up.

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to
get some powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett
> wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 








*From: *"Jay Weekley" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal
Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the 
process
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think 
they
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

  - Original Message - 
  From: SmarterBroadband 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


  I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

  Adam

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

   

  I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the 
fairpark venue.  

  I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first 
one.  

  I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going 
to happen.  

   

  All but the home page.

  I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

   

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

  To: af 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

   

  I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' 
or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

   

  Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

   

  I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for 
something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during 
the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if 
done correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

   

   

   

  On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

Chuck,  

 

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

 

TJ

 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Red Iguana

   

  We could do it kinda like it started.  

   

  Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and 
whoever shows up shows up.  

   

  Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

   

  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

   

  I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

   

   

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before. 
 
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days?
> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>  wrote:
>
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> Thus the need for a fuse !
> :)
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[chuck]

May or June?

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

 

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

 

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

  Chuck,  

   

  I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

   

  TJ

   

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Red Iguana

 

We could do it kinda like it started.  

 

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

 

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jay Weekley" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
  > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
  > *From:* TJ Trout
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  > Chuck,
  > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
  > unpalatable parts of planning?
  > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
  > wispa I haven't attended since...
  > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
  > wispamerica in 20 days?
  > TJ
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
  >  wrote:
  >
  > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
  > Thus the need for a fuse !
  > :)
  > Faisal Imtiaz
  > Snappy Internet & Telecom
  > http://www.snappytelecom.net
  >
  > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
  >
  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
  > Email: 

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 2000 AP real world Wattage.

[Mathew Howard]

Ah, yeah, I forgot to mention that. 16 watts sounds about right... I'd
figure 18 to be safe.

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> 2000 definitely has a heater in it for startup if it's too cold. This only
> powers on during power up if the radio has been offline and is below a
> certain temperature. It only runs run 2 minutes or less in our experience
> until a certain internal temp is reached. We see about 16 watts usage with
> the heater on. 6 to 8 watts otherwise during normal operation.
>
> On Feb 16, 2018 1:02 PM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:
>
>> Make sure to check if the ePMP 2000 has a cold start heater like the 1000
>> does - that tripped us up a couple times.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Sam Lambie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mathew
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Typically 8-10 watts, from what I've seen.

 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Sam Lambie 
 wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Has anyone cared to note what the real wattage draw of the AP is under
> load? I have a solar site that is getting close to full power wise and am
> looking to put something in that is light on juice.
>
> thanks
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 2000 AP real world Wattage.

[Darin Steffl]

2000 definitely has a heater in it for startup if it's too cold. This only
powers on during power up if the radio has been offline and is below a
certain temperature. It only runs run 2 minutes or less in our experience
until a certain internal temp is reached. We see about 16 watts usage with
the heater on. 6 to 8 watts otherwise during normal operation.

On Feb 16, 2018 1:02 PM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

> Make sure to check if the ePMP 2000 has a cold start heater like the 1000
> does - that tripped us up a couple times.
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mathew
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Typically 8-10 watts, from what I've seen.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Sam Lambie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all,

 Has anyone cared to note what the real wattage draw of the AP is under
 load? I have a solar site that is getting close to full power wise and am
 looking to put something in that is light on juice.

 thanks
 Sam

 --
 --
 *Sam Lambie*
 Taosnet Wireless Tech.
 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
 www.Taosnet.com 

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 2000 AP real world Wattage.

[Chris Fabien]

Make sure to check if the ePMP 2000 has a cold start heater like the 1000
does - that tripped us up a couple times.

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Thanks Mathew
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Typically 8-10 watts, from what I've seen.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Has anyone cared to note what the real wattage draw of the AP is under
>>> load? I have a solar site that is getting close to full power wise and am
>>> looking to put something in that is light on juice.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Coredial

[Keefe John]

Vitelity and Bandwidth.com for DIDs and termination.


On 2/16/2018 11:40 AM, Dave wrote:
Just wanted to see what everybody is doing for voip and see if anyone 
has heard of CoreDial.



--

[AFMUG] Coredial

[Dave]

Just wanted to see what everybody is doing for voip and see if anyone 
has heard of CoreDial.



--

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[chuck]

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  
I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  
I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

All but the home page.
I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).



On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

  Chuck,  

  I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

  TJ

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jay Weekley" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
  > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
  > *From:* TJ Trout
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  > Chuck,
  > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
  > unpalatable parts of planning?
  > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
  > wispa I haven't attended since...
  > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
  > wispamerica in 20 days?
  > TJ
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
  >  wrote:
  >
  > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
  > Thus the need for a fuse !
  > :)
  > Faisal Imtiaz
  > Snappy Internet & Telecom
  > http://www.snappytelecom.net
  >
  > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
  >
  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
  > 

  >
  > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
  > *To: *af@afmug.com
  > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  >
  > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
  > *From:* Adam Moffett
  > *Sent:* 

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 2000 AP real world Wattage.

[Sam Lambie]

Thanks Mathew

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Typically 8-10 watts, from what I've seen.
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Has anyone cared to note what the real wattage draw of the AP is under
>> load? I have a solar site that is getting close to full power wise and am
>> looking to put something in that is light on juice.
>>
>> thanks
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] How to test your license protection?

[Adam Moffett]

These are both informative and insightful emails, and I for one thank 
you both for sharing.

-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Black" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/16/2018 8:48:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How to test your license protection?

While I agree with a lot of what Tim has written, I might add a bit of 
balance from the point of view of a smaller coordinator:




Yes, there are coordinators that use the "shotgun" approach, or as we 
refer to it, coordination by proxy.  They release basic path parameters 
on a PCN, gather feedback from protection agents or individual 
operators, then adjust as necessary and repeat.  One coordinator that 
comes to mind seems to release every new PCN with radios configured for 
maximum TX power, only to follow-up days later with a modification to 
reduce that power to more modest levels.  As the other path parameters 
often don't change, I can only assume this modification is based on 
feedback from existing operators or their protection representatives, 
and not due to a change requested by the prospective licensee.  How you 
coordinate a path without considering TX power is beyond me.




But not all PCN modifications are due to shoddy work by the originating 
coordinator as Tim suggests.  Taking Steve's example of a complaint 
from a major carrier, you can fairly safely assume that the major 
carrier's path was originally coordinated and is now protected by a 
major coordinator because that is how the carriers operate.  If the 
carrier's path was actually licensed there should be sufficient data in 
public records to avoid interference, so the error would legitimately 
be on Steve's coordinator.  On the other hand, major carriers are known 
for coordinating paths and sitting on them, unlicensed, for years on 
end by simply renewing their PCNs every six months.  Technically there 
is nothing wrong with this according to the FCC rules, but it probably 
stretches the spirit of the rule.




If the interfered system in Steve's case was indeed being held in 
reserve on perpetual PCN, the real problem may originate with the 
carrier's coordinator -- the major coordinators are very stingy about 
who they distribute PCNs to, limiting distribution to licensees, 
applicants and designated protection agents.  If Steve's coordinator 
wasn't in one of these categories they may never have received the PCN 
from the carrier's coordinator, and thus may not have had any way of 
knowing that they had to avoid interfering with the carrier's link.  
This raises costs all around:  the major coordinator needs to pay 
protection staff to generate case letters protecting PCNs which they 
themselves failed to adequately distribute during their coordination 
task, and Steve's coordinator needs to re-analyze his path with a new, 
more complete picture of the interference situation, then redistribute 
his PCN.  Meanwhile, all the other coordinators need to re-analyze the 
re-distributed PCN.  Why the major coordinators limit PCN distribution 
has always puzzled us.  A cynic may interpret this as a blatant attempt 
to stifle competition in the coordination space or perhaps as a way to 
pad their stats on their monthly protection reports making the 
protection service seem more effective than it really is.  Smaller 
coordinators generally seem much better at notifying all "potentially 
affected parties".




So the ultimate reward for going with a licensed link is getting that 
piece of paper from the FCC saying you have exclusive use of the 
frequencies for 10 years.  Assuming your coordinator finds you the 
frequencies you need, you get the same piece of paper at the end of the 
process regardless of which coordinator you went with, so the choice of 
coordinator doesn't really matter, right?  In the case of the shotgun 
coordinator, no.  As Tim points out, the new link has really only been 
vetted by perhaps 40% of the existing operators in the area.  That 40% 
should be safe from direct interference.  The remaining 60% are 
depending upon being able to detect a loss in fade margin, if they even 
test for it.  But the new licensee is OK because he/she has their 
license, right?  Well, not really because the last link to go on-line 
has traditionally borne the responsibility for correcting any 
interference detected after startup, and this can be more costly than 
getting the coordination right in the first place.  But this preference 
fades with time  -- the longer you take to detect the interference, the 
more you will have to share in the solution.




So, protection services or in-house monitoring of PCNs is a good idea, 
but think about this:  the biggest providers of protection services are 
also the biggest coordinators, so you kind of have a fox guarding the 
hen house scenario here, at least in theory.  The coordination side of 
the business can get, say, $600 for a new link while the protection 
side brings in $1/mon to watch an old one?  There 

Re: [AFMUG] (no subject)

[Robert]

squirrel

On 2/16/18 5:51 AM, Adair Winter wrote:

[AFMUG] (no subject)

[Adair Winter]

Re: [AFMUG] How to test your license protection?

[Mike Black]

While I agree with a lot of what Tim has written, I might add a bit of balance 
from the point of view of a smaller coordinator:  

 

Yes, there are coordinators that use the "shotgun" approach, or as we refer to 
it, coordination by proxy.  They release basic path parameters on a PCN, gather 
feedback from protection agents or individual operators, then adjust as 
necessary and repeat.  One coordinator that comes to mind seems to release 
every new PCN with radios configured for maximum TX power, only to follow-up 
days later with a modification to reduce that power to more modest levels.  As 
the other path parameters often don't change, I can only assume this 
modification is based on feedback from existing operators or their protection 
representatives, and not due to a change requested by the prospective licensee. 
 How you coordinate a path without considering TX power is beyond me.

 

But not all PCN modifications are due to shoddy work by the originating 
coordinator as Tim suggests.  Taking Steve's example of a complaint from a 
major carrier, you can fairly safely assume that the major carrier's path was 
originally coordinated and is now protected by a major coordinator because that 
is how the carriers operate.  If the carrier's path was actually licensed there 
should be sufficient data in public records to avoid interference, so the error 
would legitimately be on Steve's coordinator.  On the other hand, major 
carriers are known for coordinating paths and sitting on them, unlicensed, for 
years on end by simply renewing their PCNs every six months.  Technically there 
is nothing wrong with this according to the FCC rules, but it probably 
stretches the spirit of the rule.  

 

If the interfered system in Steve's case was indeed being held in reserve on 
perpetual PCN, the real problem may originate with the carrier's coordinator -- 
the major coordinators are very stingy about who they distribute PCNs to, 
limiting distribution to licensees, applicants and designated protection 
agents.  If Steve's coordinator wasn't in one of these categories they may 
never have received the PCN from the carrier's coordinator, and thus may not 
have had any way of knowing that they had to avoid interfering with the 
carrier's link.  This raises costs all around:  the major coordinator needs to 
pay protection staff to generate case letters protecting PCNs which they 
themselves failed to adequately distribute during their coordination task, and 
Steve's coordinator needs to re-analyze his path with a new, more complete 
picture of the interference situation, then redistribute his PCN.  Meanwhile, 
all the other coordinators need to re-analyze the re-distributed PCN.  Why the 
major coordinators limit PCN distribution has always puzzled us.  A cynic may 
interpret this as a blatant attempt to stifle competition in the coordination 
space or perhaps as a way to pad their stats on their monthly protection 
reports making the protection service seem more effective than it really is.  
Smaller coordinators generally seem much better at notifying all "potentially 
affected parties".

 

So the ultimate reward for going with a licensed link is getting that piece of 
paper from the FCC saying you have exclusive use of the frequencies for 10 
years.  Assuming your coordinator finds you the frequencies you need, you get 
the same piece of paper at the end of the process regardless of which 
coordinator you went with, so the choice of coordinator doesn't really matter, 
right?  In the case of the shotgun coordinator, no.  As Tim points out, the new 
link has really only been vetted by perhaps 40% of the existing operators in 
the area.  That 40% should be safe from direct interference.  The remaining 60% 
are depending upon being able to detect a loss in fade margin, if they even 
test for it.  But the new licensee is OK because he/she has their license, 
right?  Well, not really because the last link to go on-line has traditionally 
borne the responsibility for correcting any interference detected after 
startup, and this can be more costly than getting the coordination right in the 
first place.  But this preference fades with time  -- the longer you take to 
detect the interference, the more you will have to share in the solution.

 

So, protection services or in-house monitoring of PCNs is a good idea, but 
think about this:  the biggest providers of protection services are also the 
biggest coordinators, so you kind of have a fox guarding the hen house scenario 
here, at least in theory.  The coordination side of the business can get, say, 
$600 for a new link while the protection side brings in $1/mon to watch an old 
one?  There might be some temptation to squeeze in one more link next to a 
protected client just to lock in that coordination revenue.  I have no evidence 
this trade-off is happening anywhere, but you can understand the economics of 
it.   If you are the cautious type you could always hire 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass dying?

[Lewis Bergman]

It seems doomed to failure to me, but I still plan on using it until then.

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 7:41 AM Robert  wrote:

> All of moviepass's money generation methods are based upon somebody else
> taking less money, no where do they inject more cash into the stream
> except for the sole case of food sales.  Theaters could end up saying
> "spend $30 in concession and get a free movie ticket and come out ahead...
>
> On 2/16/18 5:24 AM, Jerry Head wrote:
> > https://seekingalpha.com/article/4147391-wrong-moviepass-going-zero
> >
> > On the other hand Twitter went for well over a decade without turning a
> > profit.
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass dying?

[Robert]

All of moviepass's money generation methods are based upon somebody else 
taking less money, no where do they inject more cash into the stream 
except for the sole case of food sales.  Theaters could end up saying 
"spend $30 in concession and get a free movie ticket and come out ahead...


On 2/16/18 5:24 AM, Jerry Head wrote:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4147391-wrong-moviepass-going-zero

On the other hand Twitter went for well over a decade without turning a 
profit.

[AFMUG] OT Moviepass dying?

[Jerry Head]

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4147391-wrong-moviepass-going-zero

On the other hand Twitter went for well over a decade without turning a 
profit.

[AFMUG] FS: Calix 844E-1

[Jon Langeler]

eBay: 183071945963

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Chris Fabien]

Check eBay, alibaba etc.

On Feb 15, 2018 11:32 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Thanks, and yes, it would be grey market since I'm not willing to pay
> nearly double for the supported version.  Point taken on the Ubiquiti
> support though, I just figured crap support is better than no support.
>
> Going back to the distributed tap design, how does an OTDR behave with
> this kind of setup?  Do you need some special software or do you just have
> to read it differently?
>
> Where are you sourcing your FBT splitters?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
>
>> Without support, yes if you are buying it grey market. But have you ever
>> dealt with ubnt support? Last time I tried they were about useless.
>>
>> Smartolt.com provides a subscription based web gui for the zte OLT. It's
>> a nice system, if you are okay trusting that functionality to some guy in
>> Romania. The CLI is pretty clunky but you can do it that way too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2018 10:07 PM, "Jason McKemie" > com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the information.  Others were saying the ZTE units are
>>> basically without any support, so I thought that might be a potential
>>> benefit to the Ubiquiti gear.  What do you use to manage the ZTE gear?  Is
>>> it just CLI?
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Chris Fabien 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The main reason we were initially drawn to ubnt was the outdoor POE
 powered ONU. This would let us re-use a lot of wireless installs with cat5
 runs, and it is also how we had previously been doing our activeE FTTH,
 with a media converter in the NID. Ubnt initially released a spec saying
 the Nano would be rated for -40C. After resting they revised this to
 -10C... this told me they didn't design properly and were just hoping it
 would work using commercial rated parts, like most of their radios do. Not
 confidence building.

 So, if the ONU has to be indoor anyway, the comporable ZTE ONU is less
 than half the cost of the ubnt. The OLT is also much cheaper if you fully
 load the OLT. The ZTE is also a mature product with features like VOIP in
 the ONUs, Multicast IPTV support was another big one for us. Also struggled
 with getting the UNMS installed and working properly, and ubnt has a
 horrible track record for maintaining their management tools so it was
 worrysome to rely on a beta version of their new management platform.

 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What were the factors in choosing ZTE over Ubiquiti?
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
>
>> Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max
>> difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter
>> that needs to be set.
>>
>> We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT
>> is about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and 
>> -28
>> rx sens.
>>
>> I've been very impressed with the optical performance.
>>
>> We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>
>>> That's also a compelling point.
>>>
>>> It's not a simple question for sure.
>>>
>>> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger
>>> company wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think 
>>> about
>>> what THEY will prefer.  They'll probably prefer PON.
>>>
>>> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably
>>> have a bias towards ethernet because it's familiar.  I try to bear that 
>>> in
>>> mind too.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>
>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in
>>> cpe electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc.  Everything but fiber and
>>> outdoor cabinets.
>>>
>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per
>>> customer.
>>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing
>>> myself to do PON.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *-- Best regards,Mark*
>>> mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>>
>>>
>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>
>>>