Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Steve Jones]

wow, it might be a good thing for you, the ecommerce stuff is cool, shows
what your people look at, what they buy, you can have google/facebook
godlike powers

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:44 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> i dont care for your ticket system
> dont have to use it often, but i dont like it
> powercodes ticket system has gotten pretty useful, it would be nice if
> they had just that module, you could always start a wisp
>
> best ticket system we use is kayako, but last i ppriced it, was outside
> our budget since we had depreciated its use to powercode. but it would be
> perfect for you, has a knowlegbase, troubleshooter, newsfeed, etc. we still
> use our old version for our contract services support and billing (its got
> good project time tracking) but the database is corrupting, old knowlege
> bases are disappearing. Thats just cause we havent renewed it in so long or
> maintained any of it
>
> https://www.kayako.com/ I just looked at their website, not terrible
> recurring pricing, not sure if they have a perpetual on premise solution
> anymore like what we run, we have the esupport suite
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Jon Lee 
> wrote:
>
>> We have OS ticket running on a Linode instace.
>>
>> -Jon
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:38 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently running an instance of OSticket.   There is a bug
>>> somewhere in the version I'm running which causes tickets with activity on
>>> them (new or more frequently rather old ones) to not be put in a state
>>> where it is obvious that there has been activity on them.  Often we'll find
>>> them weeks or months later, or more often , when a customer asks "any
>>> updates?".
>>>
>>> There are a few other issues, which I'm not thrilled with.   It was
>>> better than the hosted version we were using, but still not perfect.
>>>
>>> Ticketing systems seem to be like phone systems, they're all nice when
>>> they're new, but the nice wears off quickly.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Keefe John 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you want free a lot of people also use Request Tracker and OS Ticket.

 Keefe

 On April 18, 2018 6:07:50 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
> integrations.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John 
> wrote:
>
>> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>>
>> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had
>>> it with our system.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> 
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> 
>   
>
>
 --
 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> 
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Steve Jones]

i dont care for your ticket system
dont have to use it often, but i dont like it
powercodes ticket system has gotten pretty useful, it would be nice if they
had just that module, you could always start a wisp

best ticket system we use is kayako, but last i ppriced it, was outside our
budget since we had depreciated its use to powercode. but it would be
perfect for you, has a knowlegbase, troubleshooter, newsfeed, etc. we still
use our old version for our contract services support and billing (its got
good project time tracking) but the database is corrupting, old knowlege
bases are disappearing. Thats just cause we havent renewed it in so long or
maintained any of it

https://www.kayako.com/ I just looked at their website, not terrible
recurring pricing, not sure if they have a perpetual on premise solution
anymore like what we run, we have the esupport suite

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Jon Lee  wrote:

> We have OS ticket running on a Linode instace.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:38 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm currently running an instance of OSticket.   There is a bug somewhere
>> in the version I'm running which causes tickets with activity on them (new
>> or more frequently rather old ones) to not be put in a state where it is
>> obvious that there has been activity on them.  Often we'll find them weeks
>> or months later, or more often , when a customer asks "any updates?".
>>
>> There are a few other issues, which I'm not thrilled with.   It was
>> better than the hosted version we were using, but still not perfect.
>>
>> Ticketing systems seem to be like phone systems, they're all nice when
>> they're new, but the nice wears off quickly.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Keefe John 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want free a lot of people also use Request Tracker and OS Ticket.
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>> On April 18, 2018 6:07:50 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

 Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
 integrations.

 On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John 
 wrote:

> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>
> Keefe
>
>
> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had
>> it with our system.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>



 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Jon Lee]

We have OS ticket running on a Linode instace.

-Jon

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 5:38 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm currently running an instance of OSticket.   There is a bug somewhere
> in the version I'm running which causes tickets with activity on them (new
> or more frequently rather old ones) to not be put in a state where it is
> obvious that there has been activity on them.  Often we'll find them weeks
> or months later, or more often , when a customer asks "any updates?".
>
> There are a few other issues, which I'm not thrilled with.   It was better
> than the hosted version we were using, but still not perfect.
>
> Ticketing systems seem to be like phone systems, they're all nice when
> they're new, but the nice wears off quickly.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> If you want free a lot of people also use Request Tracker and OS Ticket.
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>> On April 18, 2018 6:07:50 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
>>> integrations.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.

 Keefe


 On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had
> it with our system.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> 
>   
>
>
 --
 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> 
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

[AFMUG] Watch "Burger King | Whopper Neutrality" on YouTube

[Josh Reynolds]

https://youtu.be/ltzy5vRmN8Q

Pretty funny..

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Steve Jones]

upc1 clamps from site pro work great in conjunction with MTOW btw, throw
away the threaded rod to storage and use the clamp plate for 90s

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Angle iron units have the word angle in the part number. Perhaps they
> mis-shipped.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:24 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat
> back clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had
> a packing error in final assembly I suppose.
> >
> >
> > Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower ones.
> Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48
>

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Chuck McCown]

Angle iron units have the word angle in the part number. Perhaps they 
mis-shipped.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:24 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
>> On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat back 
>> clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had a 
>> packing error in final assembly I suppose.
> 
> 
> Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower ones. 
> Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48

Re: [AFMUG] OT Google News

[Steve Jones]

they took away my filters
you used to be able to do that
that was one of my filters
i hate google trying to control me

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I would pay to have that crap removed.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/18/2018 7:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I wish there was a way to block all news sources from ever again
> presenting anything on the Kardasian Jenner West families� arrgh.�
> �
> Daily, multiple things.� Those guys are masters at self promotion.�
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat 
back clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have 
had a packing error in final assembly I suppose.



Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower ones. 
Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48

Re: [AFMUG] OT Google News

[Bill Prince]

I would pay to have that crap removed.


bp


On 4/18/2018 7:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I wish there was a way to block all news sources from ever again 
presenting anything on the Kardasian Jenner West families� arrgh.

Daily, multiple things.� Those guys are masters at self promotion.

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Chuck McCown]

Shoot me an address and we will get a replacement headed your way.  

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 6:51 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps 

When did the MTOW start using flat plate clamps instead of the curvy 
ones? I liked the curvy ones. I guess the flat plates are cheaper?

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Chuck McCown]

The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a flat back 
clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We could have had a 
packing error in final assembly I suppose.


-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 6:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

When did the MTOW start using flat plate clamps instead of the curvy
ones? I liked the curvy ones. I guess the flat plates are cheaper? 

[AFMUG] OT Google News

[Chuck McCown]

I wish there was a way to block all news sources from ever again presenting 
anything on the Kardasian Jenner West families  arrgh.  

Daily, multiple things.  Those guys are masters at self promotion.  

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Chuck McCown]

Huh?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> When did the MTOW start using flat plate clamps instead of the curvy ones? I 
> liked the curvy ones. I guess the flat plates are cheaper?

[AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Seth Mattinen]

When did the MTOW start using flat plate clamps instead of the curvy 
ones? I liked the curvy ones. I guess the flat plates are cheaper?

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm currently running an instance of OSticket.   There is a bug somewhere
in the version I'm running which causes tickets with activity on them (new
or more frequently rather old ones) to not be put in a state where it is
obvious that there has been activity on them.  Often we'll find them weeks
or months later, or more often , when a customer asks "any updates?".

There are a few other issues, which I'm not thrilled with.   It was better
than the hosted version we were using, but still not perfect.

Ticketing systems seem to be like phone systems, they're all nice when
they're new, but the nice wears off quickly.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> If you want free a lot of people also use Request Tracker and OS Ticket.
>
> Keefe
>
> On April 18, 2018 6:07:50 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
>> integrations.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>>
>>> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

 What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
 with our system.

 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Matt Hoppes]

We absolutely love zendesk. It helped productivity many times over. 

Prior we were all sharing an email box. 

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 19:07, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the 
> integrations.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>> 
>> Keefe
>> 
>> 
>>> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it 
>>> with our system.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>>   
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Jon Langeler]

Spiceworks helpdesk has been working well for us 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Apr 18, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Jeff Evans  wrote:
> 
> Freshdesk has a fairly good and simple one (free) more add ons for paid
>> On 4/18/2018 6:54 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it with 
>> our system.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Jeff Evans]

Freshdesk has a fairly good and simple one (free) more add ons for paid

On 4/18/2018 6:54 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had 
it with our system.


--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[chuck]

We offer free stamped post cards...

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 4:54 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it with 
our system.


-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Keefe John]

If you want free a lot of people also use Request Tracker and OS Ticket.

Keefe

On April 18, 2018 6:07:50 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:
>Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
>integrations.
>
>On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John 
>wrote:
>
>> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>>
>> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
><
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had
>it
>>> with our system.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>>
>
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> 
>
>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yeah, I'm sort of leaning toward Zendesk just because of all of the
integrations.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.
>
> Keefe
>
>
> On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
>> with our system.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Keefe John]

We use Sonar but zendesk is very popular.

Keefe

On April 18, 2018 5:54:10 PM CDT, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:
>What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
>with our system.
>
>-- 
>*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> 
>
>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
with our system.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[Sean Heskett]

what rain zone are you in?

yes our link is in 18GHz

honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you
probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

-sean


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>
> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> What does link planner say you need?
>
> Five nines I presume?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> > Yes, looking at both.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> >
> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially
> >> the G and GS.
> >
> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[SmarterBroadband]

Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp


On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>
> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[SmarterBroadband]

I have the charts.   Your 6 mile links in 18?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

Download the integra spec sheet and it has all the tx power and recieve 
sensitivity for all the models, channel sizes and QAM levels in charts on the 
last few pages.

 

We have a lot of 6 mile SAF integra-W links on 2’ dishes that have no problem 
even in heavy summer downpours.  We are in NW ColoRADo.

 

-Sean

 

 

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:47 PM SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

I don’t see any mention of HP versions.

Can you point me in the right direction?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

 

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G and 
GS.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

SAF integra g or w

 

 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are restricted to 
2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and Rx sensitivity 
available today.

 

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be 
available for months.   Maybe longer.

 

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec sheets 
but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[SmarterBroadband]

I would be OK with four and a half nines at max mod.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp


On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>
> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[Bill Prince]

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp


On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Yes, looking at both.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially
the G and GS.


I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[George Skorup]

We've got an Exalt G2-18 w/ Radiowaves HP2-18's at ~2.5 miles. 38dBi + 
19dBm Tx at 40MHz/256QAM. RSL is -35dBm. Sometimes it's a little too 
hot. Probably needs ATPC enabled.


On 4/18/2018 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


We had a Dragonwave going 7.5 miles, but it had a 3' dish on one end 
and a 2' dish on the other.



bp


On 4/18/2018 1:42 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


5.5 miles

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband > wrote:


SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen…. 
Especially the G and GS.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx
Sensitivity

SAF integra g or w

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and
are restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the
best output power and Rx sensitivity available today.

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but
neither will be available for months.   Maybe longer.

So what is available off the shelf today? I am checking
vendors spec sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio
please let me know.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[Bill Prince]

We had a Dragonwave going 7.5 miles, but it had a 3' dish on one end and 
a 2' dish on the other.



bp


On 4/18/2018 1:42 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


5.5 miles

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband > wrote:


SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen…. Especially
the G and GS.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx
Sensitivity

SAF integra g or w

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and
are restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best
output power and Rx sensitivity available today.

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but
neither will be available for months.   Maybe longer.

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking
vendors spec sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio
please let me know.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[Sean Heskett]

Download the integra spec sheet and it has all the tx power and recieve
sensitivity for all the models, channel sizes and QAM levels in charts on
the last few pages.

We have a lot of 6 mile SAF integra-W links on 2’ dishes that have no
problem even in heavy summer downpours.  We are in NW ColoRADo.

-Sean



On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:47 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> I don’t see any mention of HP versions.
>
> Can you point me in the right direction?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
>
>
> There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.
>
>
>
> How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G
> and GS.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
>
>
> SAF integra g or w
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are
> restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and
> Rx sensitivity available today.
>
>
>
> Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be
> available for months.   Maybe longer.
>
>
>
> So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec
> sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[SmarterBroadband]

I don’t see any mention of HP versions.

Can you point me in the right direction?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

 

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G and 
GS.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

SAF integra g or w

 

 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are restricted to 
2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and Rx sensitivity 
available today.

 

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be 
available for months.   Maybe longer.

 

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec sheets 
but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[SmarterBroadband]

5.5 miles

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

 

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G and 
GS.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

SAF integra g or w

 

 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are restricted to 
2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and Rx sensitivity 
available today.

 

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be 
available for months.   Maybe longer.

 

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec sheets 
but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[SmarterBroadband]

Yes, looking at both.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
> the G and GS.


I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[Sean Heskett]

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G
> and GS.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
>
>
> SAF integra g or w
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are
> restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and
> Rx sensitivity available today.
>
>
>
> Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be
> available for months.   Maybe longer.
>
>
>
> So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec
> sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the 
G and GS.



I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[SmarterBroadband]

SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G and 
GS.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

SAF integra g or w

 

 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are restricted to 
2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and Rx sensitivity 
available today.

 

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be 
available for months.   Maybe longer.

 

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec sheets 
but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Bill Prince]

I have zero experience in that regard. My youth was pure and unaffected 
by alcohol or pot. I didn't get exposed to pot until my early 20s well 
past college, and I was kind of like Bill Clinton. I smoked it, but 
didn't inhale. It never appealed to me, and I have not indulged in 
several decades. But I do recall from that time that if I was in a car 
going faster than 20 MPH, it was terrifying. I can't imagine trying to 
actually drive; it was too scary just being a passenger.



bp


On 4/18/2018 11:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
I didn't think so until I read a blog from a heavy user after 
legalization.   This was a lifelong user that went "over the top" when 
he became a) rich   b) legal.    Basically after a 3 month bender it 
took 6 months to clear his system from testing positive and his mind 
to be clear enough to get released from over watch. That is one end of 
the scale but it shows to me that there is a accumulation dosage and 
that after taking it you are somewhere on the scale all the way to a 
touch and clear _the next day_...   I have an over-aggressive spleen. 
It's tough for me to get drunk much less stay drunk but it seems THC 
gets all the way past the blood into the tissues.   But I would rather 
deal with a pothead any day than a drunk...  I just personally think 
alcohol for the common user falls off faster.  Oh and edibles...  two 
hours after consumption to effect...  That's a tough one to do 
anything but actual sobriety test...


On 04/18/2018 11:00 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I know it "sticks around", but I'm not so sure the side effects are 
still there (I am not an authority, but this is what I've read). That 
has been and still is the challenge. I've seen things about the 
development of a test to determine if someone is still under the 
influence, but to date the best way to tell is to perform a full 
sobriety test.



bp


On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, 
Go directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of 
person, but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's 
the major difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self 
driving cars driving down the freeway high is like shooting 
drunk...  Sure you can do it, but it's nothing close to responsible... 

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[Sean Heskett]

SAF integra g or w


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are
> restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and
> Rx sensitivity available today.
>
>
>
> Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be
> available for months.   Maybe longer.
>
>
>
> So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec
> sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Bill Prince]

I think 4 X 15 is closer to 60...

;-)

bp


On 4/18/2018 11:46 AM, Dave wrote:
My question is how many streaming devices are there at any one given 
time.

4devices x15Mbs = 90Mbs
10Dx15M= 150M

PCC with Ques can do this for sure.
I use butch evans QOSbase3 for this at a couple Large hotels and have 
no complaints



On 04/18/2018 12:30 PM, Justin Marshall wrote:


Hi,

�

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.� This is for a 
church that usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.


�

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times 
for a given streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi 
users have full access to the other 105M.� What is the best way to 
go about this?


�

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ 
which would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device 
(e.g. if i moved the streaming device to a different subnet)?


I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I 
can't seem to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.� 
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)


�

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?� If so, 
does anyone know of a good tutorial?


�

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

�

Thanks,

Justin



--

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Justin Marshall]

Only 1 streaming device

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

My question is how many streaming devices are there at any one given time.
4devices x15Mbs = 90Mbs
10Dx15M= 150M

PCC with Ques can do this for sure.
I use butch evans QOSbase3 for this at a couple Large hotels and have no 
complaints

On 04/18/2018 12:30 PM, Justin Marshall wrote:
Hi,
�
I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.� This is for a church that 
usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.
�
I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times for a given 
streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access 
to the other 105M.� What is the best way to go about this?
�
Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which 
would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved 
the streaming device to a different subnet)?
I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem 
to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.� 
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
�
Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?� If so, does anyone 
know of a good tutorial?
�
Any suggestion would be appreciated.
�
Thanks,
Justin

--
[cid:image001.jpg@01D3D724.255C8050]

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Dave]

My question is how many streaming devices are there at any one given time.
4devices x15Mbs = 90Mbs
10Dx15M= 150M

PCC with Ques can do this for sure.
I use butch evans QOSbase3 for this at a couple Large hotels and have no 
complaints



On 04/18/2018 12:30 PM, Justin Marshall wrote:


Hi,

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.� This is for a church 
that usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.


I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times 
for a given streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi 
users have full access to the other 105M.� What is the best way to go 
about this?


Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ 
which would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device 
(e.g. if i moved the streaming device to a different subnet)?


I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I 
can't seem to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users. 
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)


Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?� If so, does 
anyone know of a good tutorial?


Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Justin



--

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Robert Andrews]

I didn't think so until I read a blog from a heavy user after 
legalization.   This was a lifelong user that went "over the top" when 
he became a) rich   b) legal.Basically after a 3 month bender it 
took 6 months to clear his system from testing positive and his mind to 
be clear enough to get released from over watch.   That is one end of 
the scale but it shows to me that there is a accumulation dosage and 
that after taking it you are somewhere on the scale all the way to a 
touch and clear _the next day_...   I have an over-aggressive spleen. 
It's tough for me to get drunk much less stay drunk but it seems THC 
gets all the way past the blood into the tissues.   But I would rather 
deal with a pothead any day than a drunk...  I just personally think 
alcohol for the common user falls off faster.  Oh and edibles...  two 
hours after consumption to effect...  That's a tough one to do anything 
but actual sobriety test...


On 04/18/2018 11:00 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I know it "sticks around", but I'm not so sure the side effects are 
still there (I am not an authority, but this is what I've read). That 
has been and still is the challenge. I've seen things about the 
development of a test to determine if someone is still under the 
influence, but to date the best way to tell is to perform a full 
sobriety test.



bp


On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, 
but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving 
cars driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you 
can do it, but it's nothing close to responsible... 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
He skipped the mangle/queue tree part of the link below and is just
looking at simple queue w/PCQ (step 3).


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, Justin Marshall
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
If I use simple
queues, how could I go about giving the wifi users equal
access to the 105M?  If there are potentially 200+ users,
wouldn’t  I need to make the queues ~512k/512k, or am I
misunderstanding something?
 
 

  
From:
Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X
bandwidth is available for a given device
  

 
There are
simple ways of getting this done, not using your queue
tree.  Simple queues are simple and basic. I would use
those.  Give me a call if you need further help though.

 

   
   
  Dennis Burgess,
Mikrotik Certified Trainer

  Author of "Learn
  RouterOS- Second Edition”
  
  Link
Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik &
  WISP Support Services
  
  Office: 314-735-0270 
  Website:
  http://www.linktechs.net
  
  Create Wireless
  Coverage’s with
  www.towercoverage.com
  

 

  
From: Af 
  On Behalf Of Justin Marshall
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth
  is available for a given device
  

 
Hi,
 
I have a customer with a 120M/120M
  connection.  This is for a church that usually has 100-250
  users on wifi at any given time.
 
I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M
  is available at all times for a given streaming device, but I
  also want to make sure any wifi users have full access to the
  other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?
 
Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish
  this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which would leave the remaining
  15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved the
  streaming device to a different subnet)?
  
I see an example on how to see a max limit
  for each PCQ user, but I can't seem to find any that set a max
  limit for all PCQ users.  (https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
 
Is there a better way to go about this?
  Marking packets?  If so, does anyone know of a good tutorial?
 
Any suggestion would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Justin
  


  

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Yes, your example using the max-limit is right.

To let them all fight for it (essentially), you could only set the
max-limit, target=, and not use a PCQ, then it
would essentially let all the users share (mostly equally) the
available 105 Mbps. Setting a PCQ for each is probably the better
answer. It could feel sluggish for a bit for new connections if a
single user were using all of it, but you can set the per-connection
rate pretty high if you want to. At some point, you'll hit the 105
Mbps limit and it won't matter...


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
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On 4/18/18 12:02 PM, Justin Marshall
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Just to make
sure I understand correctly… (kind of going off the example
located at
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
 
Adding the
max-limit=105M/105M in step 3 would limit all users handled
by the PCQ to 105M?
e.g.
/queue simple
add max-limit=105M/105M
name=PCQ_Queue queue=PCQ_Upload/PCQ_Download
target=192.168.1.0/24

 
In step 2 of
that example I link, they show how to limit each user to
64k/32k.

/queue type add
name="PCQ_download" kind=pcq pcq-rate=64000
pcq-classifier=dst-address
/queue type add
name="PCQ_upload" kind=pcq pcq-rate=32000
pcq-classifier=src-address
 
Is there a way
to write that to allow them the full 105M if they were the
only user? (or ½ that if there are 2, 1/3 if 3, etc)  Just
not specify a pcq-rate?
 
Thanks
 

  
From:
Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X
bandwidth is available for a given device
  

 
You can setup
  a PCQ for WiFi subnet as you described, but also set the
  max-limit for both down and up on the PCQ and it will
  distribute bandwidth among all IPs in the PCQ, limited to the
  per-IP rate in the PCQ and overall limited to the max-limit,
  which you'd set to 105 Mbps. Then if you still want to, you
  can have a simple queue for the streaming device (which would
  make it easy to see how much the streamer is actually using).
  
  You can also do all this with the queue tree, but will be more
  complicated.

  Jesse DuPont
  
Network
Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity
Broadband LLC
  Like us!
facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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  On 4/18/18 11:30 AM, Justin
  Marshall wrote:


  Hi,
   
  I have a customer with a 120M/120M
connection.  This is for a church that usually has 100-250
users on wifi at any given time.
   
  I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M
is available at all times for a given streaming device, but
I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access to
the other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?
   
  Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish
this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which would leave the
remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved
the streaming device to a different subnet)?

  I see an example on how to see a max
limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem to find any that
set a max limit for all PCQ users.  (https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
   
  Is there a better way to go about this?
Marking packets?  If so, does anyone know of a good
tutorial?
   
  Any suggestion would be appreciated.
   
  Thanks,
  Justin

 
  


  

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Justin Marshall]

If I use simple queues, how could I go about giving the wifi users equal access 
to the 105M?  If there are potentially 200+ users, wouldn't  I need to make the 
queues ~512k/512k, or am I misunderstanding something?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

There are simple ways of getting this done, not using your queue tree.  Simple 
queues are simple and basic. I would use those.  Give me a call if you need 
further help though.



Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com

From: Af > On Behalf Of 
Justin Marshall
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

Hi,

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.  This is for a church that 
usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times for a given 
streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access 
to the other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which 
would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved 
the streaming device to a different subnet)?
I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem 
to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.  
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?  If so, does anyone 
know of a good tutorial?

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Dennis Burgess]

There are simple ways of getting this done, not using your queue tree.  Simple 
queues are simple and basic. I would use those.  Give me a call if you need 
further help though.



Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com

From: Af  On Behalf Of Justin Marshall
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

Hi,

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.  This is for a church that 
usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times for a given 
streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access 
to the other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which 
would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved 
the streaming device to a different subnet)?
I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem 
to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.  
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?  If so, does anyone 
know of a good tutorial?

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[chuck]

I have it on very very very good authority driving high is more likely to 
result in you going very slow and paranoid where alcohol makes you (believe 
you are) an exceptionally skilled high speed driver... so I have been 
told...


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I know it "sticks around", but I'm not so sure the side effects are
still there (I am not an authority, but this is what I've read). That
has been and still is the challenge. I've seen things about the
development of a test to determine if someone is still under the
influence, but to date the best way to tell is to perform a full
sobriety test.


bp


On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, but 
THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving cars 
driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you can do 
it, but it's nothing close to responsible...

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Justin Marshall]

Just to make sure I understand correctly… (kind of going off the example 
located at https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)

Adding the max-limit=105M/105M in step 3 would limit all users handled by the 
PCQ to 105M?
e.g.
/queue simple
add max-limit=105M/105M name=PCQ_Queue queue=PCQ_Upload/PCQ_Download 
target=192.168.1.0/24

In step 2 of that example I link, they show how to limit each user to 64k/32k.
/queue type add name="PCQ_download" kind=pcq pcq-rate=64000 
pcq-classifier=dst-address
/queue type add name="PCQ_upload" kind=pcq pcq-rate=32000 
pcq-classifier=src-address

Is there a way to write that to allow them the full 105M if they were the only 
user? (or ½ that if there are 2, 1/3 if 3, etc)  Just not specify a pcq-rate?

Thanks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

You can setup a PCQ for WiFi subnet as you described, but also set the 
max-limit for both down and up on the PCQ and it will distribute bandwidth 
among all IPs in the PCQ, limited to the per-IP rate in the PCQ and overall 
limited to the max-limit, which you'd set to 105 Mbps. Then if you still want 
to, you can have a simple queue for the streaming device (which would make it 
easy to see how much the streamer is actually using).

You can also do all this with the queue tree, but will be more complicated.
Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
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On 4/18/18 11:30 AM, Justin Marshall wrote:
Hi,

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.  This is for a church that 
usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times for a given 
streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access 
to the other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which 
would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved 
the streaming device to a different subnet)?
I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem 
to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.  
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?  If so, does anyone 
know of a good tutorial?

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Bill Prince]

I know it "sticks around", but I'm not so sure the side effects are 
still there (I am not an authority, but this is what I've read). That 
has been and still is the challenge. I've seen things about the 
development of a test to determine if someone is still under the 
influence, but to date the best way to tell is to perform a full 
sobriety test.



bp


On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, 
but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving 
cars driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you 
can do it, but it's nothing close to responsible... 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Robert Andrews]

As long as people are signed up to "Drive a car and test positive, Go 
directly to Jail..."   I don't want to be in this category of person, 
but THC sticks around so long with so much effect that it's the major 
difference between Pot and Alcohol...   Until we have self driving cars 
driving down the freeway high is like shooting drunk...  Sure you can do 
it, but it's nothing close to responsible...


On 04/17/2018 08:27 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a 
child, or risking life/limb of another person.


Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming 
home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms 
or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, 
who's business is that?


Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to 
feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let 
people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to 
talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.


Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:

I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and
federal law enforcement get money?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones
>
wrote:

Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in
the brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal
brain chemical (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the
receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first use that is
why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are
seeking to replicate that first high but never can because
the physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing
a dragon

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

That's Fake News.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke
> wrote:

I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth,
even once, permanently
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a
'recreational' drug, and why
it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
 > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep
isn't for me.  I like
 > those too much.
 >
 > Chuck McCown wrote:
 >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called
Epsom and they are
 >> dissolved in hot water...
 >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
 >>
 >> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
 >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
 >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms,
Miller, Heineken, Henry
 >> Winehards Private Reserve...)
 >>
 >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know
it is horribly
 >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
 >> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct
experience with that
 >> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear
to race.
 >> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
 >>
 >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific
surgeries
 >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14
lag screws into her
 >> vertebrae).
 >> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked
really well.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
 >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
 >> To: af@afmug.com 
 >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
 >>
 >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just
doesn't sound like fun
 >> and bath salts has to be the 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
You can setup a PCQ for WiFi subnet as you described, but also set
the max-limit for both down and up on the PCQ and it will distribute
bandwidth among all IPs in the PCQ, limited to the per-IP rate in
the PCQ and overall limited to the max-limit, which you'd set to 105
Mbps. Then if you still want to, you can have a simple queue for the
streaming device (which would make it easy to see how much the
streamer is actually using).

You can also do all this with the queue tree, but will be more
complicated.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 4/18/18 11:30 AM, Justin Marshall
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Hi,
 
I have a customer with a 120M/120M
  connection.  This is for a church that usually has 100-250
  users on wifi at any given time.
 
I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M
  is available at all times for a given streaming device, but I
  also want to make sure any wifi users have full access to the
  other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?
 
Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish
  this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which would leave the remaining
  15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved the
  streaming device to a different subnet)?
  
I see an example on how to see a max limit
  for each PCQ user, but I can't seem to find any that set a max
  limit for all PCQ users. 
  (https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
 
Is there a better way to go about this?
  Marking packets?  If so, does anyone know of a good tutorial?
 
Any suggestion would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Justin
  


  

[AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Justin Marshall]

Hi,

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.  This is for a church that 
usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times for a given 
streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access 
to the other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which 
would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved 
the streaming device to a different subnet)?
I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem 
to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.  
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?  If so, does anyone 
know of a good tutorial?

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [AFMUG] OT Important news

[Steve Jones]

now that would be excellent


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> And maybe. just maybe McDonalds uses it on Big Macs (special sauce?)?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/18/2018 8:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> Twitter called for it and now:
>>
>> Heinz will start shipping fry sauce...
>>
>>
>> Utah’s claim to fry sauce goes back to the 1940s, when chef Don Carlos
>> Edwards created it for burgers at his restaurants. Those restaurants grew
>> into the Arctic Circle chain, which now boasts 37 locations in Utah, 21 in
>> Idaho and six more around the West.
>>
>> Other countries have their own versions. In Argentina, it’s called salsa
>> golf, or “golf sauce,” created in the clubhouse of a golf course in 1925 by
>> 19-year-old Luis Federico Leloir— who 45 years later was awarded the Nobel
>> Prize in chemistry for his work with lactose.
>>
>> In Puerto Rico, it’s sold as “mayo ketchup,” and it’s known as “salsa
>> rosado” (“pink sauce”) in Colombia and Venezuela.
>>
>> Mayonnaise and ketchup is considered a simplified recipe of a British
>> condiment, Marie Rose sauce. Heinz sells a version of this in Ireland
>> called “burger sauce.”
>>
>> The UrbanDictionary also lists “tomayo” and “ketchonnaise” as portmanteau
>> words for the pink stuff.
>>
>> Then there are the variations. Some recipes for remoulade in Louisiana
>> Creole cuisine add ketchup to the traditional mayo-andmustard combination.
>> In Mississippi, diners enjoy a mix of mayo and chile sauce called comeback
>> sauce. And traditional Russian and Thousand Island dressings start with
>> mayo and ketchup, then add other ingredients.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Josh Reynolds]

It's a great way to get money though

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 10:15 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'd be all for that.  I read somewhere that for all the $billions we spend
> on the DEA we are able to stop about 2% of drug traffic.  Sounds like a
> poor investment.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: 4/18/2018 12:45:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>
> You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and
> the related poisioning/overdose deaths.
>
> If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law
> enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and
> education, I think we'd be far better off.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about.
>>
>> You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to
>> get supplies and mental health care.
>>
>> This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it
>> not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).
>>
>> It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug
>> addiction (mental health care + kratom).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user
>>> amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively
>>> over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's
 product that is... Ahem tax free.

 It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also
 regulating it.

 It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!

 You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of
 mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.

 This is all so stupid.

 ... But hey, D.A.R.E.

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> I like pissing off cartels
>
> I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a
> secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of
>> a child, or risking life/limb of another person.
>>
>> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming
>> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms 
>> or
>> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's
>> business is that?
>>
>> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or
>> to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
>> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to
>> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
>>
>> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> theres no shortage of criminals
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>>
 I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and
 Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and 
 federal
 law enforcement get money?

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the
> brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical
> (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its 
> actually
> that first use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon,
> people are seeking to replicate that first high but never can because 
> the
> physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> That's Fake News.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once,
>>> permanently
>>> alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug,
>>> and why
>>> it's so 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Important news

[Bill Prince]

And maybe. just maybe McDonalds uses it on Big Macs (special sauce?)?


bp


On 4/18/2018 8:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Twitter called for it and now:

Heinz will start shipping fry sauce...


Utah’s claim to fry sauce goes back to the 1940s, when chef Don Carlos 
Edwards created it for burgers at his restaurants. Those restaurants 
grew into the Arctic Circle chain, which now boasts 37 locations in 
Utah, 21 in Idaho and six more around the West.


Other countries have their own versions. In Argentina, it’s called 
salsa golf, or “golf sauce,” created in the clubhouse of a golf course 
in 1925 by 19-year-old Luis Federico Leloir— who 45 years later was 
awarded the Nobel Prize in chemistry for his work with lactose.


In Puerto Rico, it’s sold as “mayo ketchup,” and it’s known as “salsa 
rosado” (“pink sauce”) in Colombia and Venezuela.


Mayonnaise and ketchup is considered a simplified recipe of a British 
condiment, Marie Rose sauce. Heinz sells a version of this in Ireland 
called “burger sauce.”


The UrbanDictionary also lists “tomayo” and “ketchonnaise” as 
portmanteau words for the pink stuff.


Then there are the variations. Some recipes for remoulade in Louisiana 
Creole cuisine add ketchup to the traditional mayo-andmustard 
combination. In Mississippi, diners enjoy a mix of mayo and chile 
sauce called comeback sauce. And traditional Russian and Thousand 
Island dressings start with mayo and ketchup, then add other ingredients.

[AFMUG] OT Important news

[chuck]

Twitter called for it and now:

Heinz will start shipping fry sauce...


Utah’s claim to fry sauce goes back to the 1940s, when chef Don Carlos 
Edwards created it for burgers at his restaurants. Those restaurants grew 
into the Arctic Circle chain, which now boasts 37 locations in Utah, 21 in 
Idaho and six more around the West.


Other countries have their own versions. In Argentina, it’s called salsa 
golf, or “golf sauce,” created in the clubhouse of a golf course in 1925 by 
19-year-old Luis Federico Leloir— who 45 years later was awarded the Nobel 
Prize in chemistry for his work with lactose.


In Puerto Rico, it’s sold as “mayo ketchup,” and it’s known as “salsa 
rosado” (“pink sauce”) in Colombia and Venezuela.


Mayonnaise and ketchup is considered a simplified recipe of a British 
condiment, Marie Rose sauce. Heinz sells a version of this in Ireland called 
“burger sauce.”


The UrbanDictionary also lists “tomayo” and “ketchonnaise” as portmanteau 
words for the pink stuff.


Then there are the variations. Some recipes for remoulade in Louisiana 
Creole cuisine add ketchup to the traditional mayo-andmustard combination. 
In Mississippi, diners enjoy a mix of mayo and chile sauce called comeback 
sauce. And traditional Russian and Thousand Island dressings start with mayo 
and ketchup, then add other ingredients.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[chuck]

He didn’t as I recall.  I think that if he got busted for a little as smoking 
or having a joint it was going to be 15 years.

From: Dave 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 9:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

WOW..
I hope he didnt fail his piss test :)



On 04/18/2018 09:42 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  The pendulum swings.  I wonder if we get a tiny bit more wise each cycle...

  I remember during the peak of the war on drugs, I had an employee that was on 
the ragged edge of three strikes.  He had backslid a bit and was worried about 
getting nailed during a piss test.  I will always remember one thing he he said 
to me:

  “Fuck Chuck, I could go kill someone and get out of jail faster than if I 
fail this piss test”.

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:45 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

  You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and the 
related poisioning/overdose deaths. 

  If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law 
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and education, I 
think we'd be far better off.




  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about. 

You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to 
get supplies and mental health care.

This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it 
not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).

It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug 
addiction (mental health care + kratom).



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user 
amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively over, 
but the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's 
product that is... Ahem tax free. 

It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also 
regulating it.

It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!

You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of 
mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.

This is all so stupid.

... But hey, D.A.R.E.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  I like pissing off cartels 

  I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a 
secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc. 

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare 
of a child, or risking life/limb of another person. 

Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by 
coming home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms 
or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's 
business is that?

Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or 
to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let 
people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to talk 
to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.

Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

  theres no shortage of criminals

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and 
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law 
enforcement get money?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

  Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the 
brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine 
i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first 
use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are seeking 
to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic change only 
happens once so its like chasing a dragon


  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

That's Fake News.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke 
 wrote:

  I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Adam Moffett]

I'd be all for that.  I read somewhere that for all the $billions we 
spend on the DEA we are able to stop about 2% of drug traffic.  Sounds 
like a poor investment.



-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 4/18/2018 12:45:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, 
and the related poisioning/overdose deaths.


If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law 
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and 
education, I think we'd be far better off.





On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:
That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking 
about.


You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places 
to get supplies and mental health care.


This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making 
it not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).


It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard 
drug addiction (mental health care + kratom).



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:
decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user 
amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is 
effectively over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison 
where they go.


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's 
product that is... Ahem tax free.


It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also 
regulating it.


It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is 
disasterous!


You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of 
mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.


This is all so stupid.

... But hey, D.A.R.E.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

I like pissing off cartels

I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a 
secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, 
etc.


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare 
of a child, or risking life/limb of another person.


Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by 
coming home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe 
using mushrooms or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for 
religious reasons, who's business is that?


Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself 
or to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental 
health. Let people get clean needles in a controlled setting and 
give them access to talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in 
those mentioned contries.


Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and 
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and 
federal law enforcement get money?


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:
Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the 
brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain 
chemical (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is 
enlarged. Its actually that first use that is why doing heroin 
is called chasing the dragon, people are seeking to replicate 
that first high but never can because the physiologic change 
only happens once so its like chasing a dragon


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

That's Fake News.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke  
wrote:
I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, 
permanently
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' 
drug, and why

it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for 
me.  I like

> those too much.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and 
they are

>> dissolved in hot water...
>> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>
>> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, 
Heineken, Henry

>> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>
>> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is 
horribly

>> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct 
experience with that

>> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Dave]

WOW..
I hope he didnt fail his piss test :)


On 04/18/2018 09:42 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
The pendulum swings.  I wonder if we get a tiny bit more wise each 
cycle...
I remember during the peak of the war on drugs, I had an employee that 
was on the ragged edge of three strikes.  He had backslid a bit and 
was worried about getting nailed during a piss test.  I will always 
remember one thing he he said to me:
“Fuck Chuck, I could go kill someone and get out of jail faster than 
if I fail this piss test”.

*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:45 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, 
and the related poisioning/overdose deaths.
If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law 
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and 
education, I think we'd be far better off.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:


That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking
about.
You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe
places to get supplies and mental health care.
This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it),
making it not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).
It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard
drug addiction (mental health care + kratom).


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to
user amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose
life is effectively over, but the drug dealers can still be
put in prison where they go.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a
competitor's product that is... Ahem tax free.
It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you
are also regulating it.
It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is
disasterous!
You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a
couple of mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you
can go to prison.
This is all so stupid.
... But hey, D.A.R.E.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

I like pissing off cartels
I always preferred decriminalization to legalization,
maintains a secondary effective tax to offset the
byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

Decriminalize drugs except in the event of
endangering the welfare of a child, or risking
life/limb of another person.
Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't
hurting anybody by coming home and the end of a
day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms
or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for
religious reasons, who's business is that?
Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to
damage onesself or to feel something or just...
Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
people get clean needles in a controlled setting
and give them access to talk to someone. It's had
amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

theres no shortage of criminals
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

I wish we would treat drugs here like they
do in Spain and Portugal, but how would
our for-profit prison system, police and
federal law enforcement get money?
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

Thats heroin that permantly alters the
opoid receptors in the brain, the
molecule is slightly larger than the
normal brain chemical (dopamine i
think) its replacing, so the receptor
is 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[chuck]

The pendulum swings.  I wonder if we get a tiny bit more wise each cycle...

I remember during the peak of the war on drugs, I had an employee that was on 
the ragged edge of three strikes.  He had backslid a bit and was worried about 
getting nailed during a piss test.  I will always remember one thing he he said 
to me:

“Fuck Chuck, I could go kill someone and get out of jail faster than if I fail 
this piss test”.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:45 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and the 
related poisioning/overdose deaths. 

If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law 
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and education, I 
think we'd be far better off.




On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about. 

  You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to get 
supplies and mental health care.

  This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it not 
a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).

  It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug 
addiction (mental health care + kratom).



  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user amounts 
only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively over, but the 
drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

  If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's 
product that is... Ahem tax free. 

  It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also 
regulating it.

  It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous!

  You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of mushrooms 
you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.

  This is all so stupid.

  ... But hey, D.A.R.E.

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

I like pissing off cartels 

I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a 
secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc. 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

  Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of 
a child, or risking life/limb of another person. 

  Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming 
home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or MDA 
to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's business is 
that?

  Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or 
to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let 
people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to talk 
to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries.

  Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

  I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and 
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law 
enforcement get money?

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the 
brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine 
i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that first 
use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are seeking 
to replicate that first high but never can because the physiologic change only 
happens once so its like chasing a dragon


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

  That's Fake News.

  On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke  
wrote:

I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even 
once, permanently 
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' 
drug, and why 
it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for 
me.  I like 
> those too much.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Mitch Koep]

Steve

I feel for you

We took our granddaughter when she was 9 months old and she just turned 8

When son was busted for Meth

Last two years alone the step son got 2500.00 for attorney, a 5000.00  
car, 1800.00 for a no insurance ticket.


Before that I was done BUT wife's son so rather than fight it was pay...

I feel you but the shinning thing in our life that makes it ok for me is 
Hannalou


She is the best thing we could have done

So look to the kids if you can and be there for them and hopefully the 
rest will work out


Mitch Koep

218-851-8689 cell


On 4/17/2018 12:41 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 
doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other 
misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave > wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown > wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister’s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to
kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing other things.
Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with anyone
who is remotely involved, i figure none of you are.
But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back and sell
meth. And theyre already asking if they sign their righys if
they can see the kids still.
I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve the ability
to not want to feed these people lead



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Jason McKemie]

There is a good Stuff You Should Know episode on bath salts.  Most of the
crap you used to hear in the news being attributed to it is bullshit.
Still stupid, just not the same kind of crazy stupid that people think.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are
> dissolved in hot water...
> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>
> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry
> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>
> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly addictive
> and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that
> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>
> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries (decompression of
> the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her vertebrae).
> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>
>
> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
> bath salts are the videos I've come across.
>
> Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 doses
>> od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. other misch
>> controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth charges.
>> fucking bath salts
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave  dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
>> in it.
>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
>> demented.
>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
>> truth to that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
>>> kids in (her sister’s kids).
>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
>>> Those kids still think of my wife as “mom”.  They are all
>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now.
>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
>>> out so well.
>>> The world needs standup guys like you.
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
>>> and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
>>> ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
>>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
>>> funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
>>> fucking meth
>>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
>>> late