Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-17 Thread Chuck McCown 
Yeah, but you cannot highlight and cut from the coordinates on the screen, 
irrespective of the setting.   And properties are in DMS.
But if you click on a placemark, right click it, select from or to here then 
the degree. decimal degree shows up on the search field.  

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

You can change the format in Google earth to match anything.


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Aug 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


  Yeah, but it is decimal coordinates.  I discovered if you click a placemark 
in GE then decimal coordinates will come up that can be cut and pasted into 
UBNT.  But after going through all that, I really didn’t see where it was 
better than RM and actually RM is better than airlink in some respects.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  Look under the selected radios on the right side. There are GPS coordinates 
boxes right below height and EIRP that say "AP Location" and "Station Location".

  On Aug 17, 2017 8:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Is there an easy way to drop a location from Google Earth or RM into 
airlink?

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:00 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

airlink.ubnt.com 

Click on "AirFiber fx" line on the right side in the middle, then 11 GHz. 
Rest is self explanatory.

On Aug 15, 2017 1:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Link does not work.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you 
figure out what you need easily. 

  It does require you to log in with your account.

  On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on 
congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be 
desirable and perhaps narrower channels too.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) 
- they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
other side.

  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the 
second one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies 
you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two 
different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.

You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).


On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
wrote:

  Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more 
for duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have 
two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

  Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is 
going to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-17 Thread Jon Langeler 
You can change the format in Google earth to match anything.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, but it is decimal coordinates.  I discovered if you click a placemark 
> in GE then decimal coordinates will come up that can be cut and pasted into 
> UBNT.  But after going through all that, I really didn’t see where it was 
> better than RM and actually RM is better than airlink in some respects. 
>  
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:12 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>  
> Look under the selected radios on the right side. There are GPS coordinates 
> boxes right below height and EIRP that say "AP Location" and "Station 
> Location".
>  
>> On Aug 17, 2017 8:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> Is there an easy way to drop a location from Google Earth or RM into airlink?
>>  
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:00 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>  
>> airlink.ubnt.com
>>  
>> Click on "AirFiber fx" line on the right side in the middle, then 11 GHz. 
>> Rest is self explanatory.
>>  
>>> On Aug 15, 2017 1:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> Link does not work. 
>>>  
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>>  
>>> https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you 
>>> figure out what you need easily.
>>>  
>>> It does require you to log in with your account.
>>>  
>>>> On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>> What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on congestion. 
>>>>  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and 
>>>> perhaps narrower channels too. 
>>>>  
>>>> From: Jeremy
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>>>  
>>>> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
>>>> frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just 
>>>> an example.
>>>>  
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
>>>>> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will 
>>>>> want 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to 
>>>>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 
>>>>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>>>>>  
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second 
>>>>>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies 
>>>>>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two 
>>>>>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
>>>>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
>>>>>>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
>>>>>>> have two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both 
>>>>>>> polarizations on the same frequency?
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going 
>>>>>>> to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-17 Thread Josh Reynolds 
It's not intended to be an all encompassing tool. It does work for most use
cases, as long as you have driven the path or have an understanding before
hand about possible trees or terrain issues along the way.

It works fine if you've been on the tower, can see the far side, and just
want to figure out what kind of antenna and power you need on the path
while calculating signal level for specific products and accompanying
throughput levels.

On Aug 17, 2017 9:19 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Yeah, but it is decimal coordinates.  I discovered if you click a
> placemark in GE then decimal coordinates will come up that can be cut and
> pasted into UBNT.  But after going through all that, I really didn’t see
> where it was better than RM and actually RM is better than airlink in some
> respects.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>
> Look under the selected radios on the right side. There are GPS
> coordinates boxes right below height and EIRP that say "AP Location" and
> "Station Location".
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 8:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there an easy way to drop a location from Google Earth or RM into
>> airlink?
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:00 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>
>> airlink.ubnt.com
>>
>> Click on "AirFiber fx" line on the right side in the middle, then 11 GHz.
>> Rest is self explanatory.
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2017 1:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Link does not work.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>>
>>> https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help
>>> you figure out what you need easily.
>>>
>>> It does require you to log in with your account.
>>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on
>>>> congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be
>>>> desirable and perhaps narrower channels too.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jeremy
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which
>>>> frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just
>>>> an example.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the
>>>>> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want
>>>>> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to
>>>>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and
>>>>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the
>>>>>> second one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what
>>>>>> frequencies you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since 
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> are two different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're 
>>>>>> in.
>>>>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more
>>>>>>> for duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both 
>>>>>>> polarizations on
>>>>>>> the same frequency?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is
>>>>>>> going to cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-17 Thread Chuck McCown 
Yeah, but it is decimal coordinates.  I discovered if you click a placemark in 
GE then decimal coordinates will come up that can be cut and pasted into UBNT.  
But after going through all that, I really didn’t see where it was better than 
RM and actually RM is better than airlink in some respects.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Look under the selected radios on the right side. There are GPS coordinates 
boxes right below height and EIRP that say "AP Location" and "Station Location".

On Aug 17, 2017 8:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Is there an easy way to drop a location from Google Earth or RM into airlink?

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:00 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  airlink.ubnt.com 

  Click on "AirFiber fx" line on the right side in the middle, then 11 GHz. 
Rest is self explanatory.

  On Aug 15, 2017 1:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Link does not work.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you 
figure out what you need easily. 

It does require you to log in with your account.

On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on 
congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be 
desirable and perhaps narrower channels too.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) 
- they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
other side.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the 
second one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies 
you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two 
different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.

  You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).


  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
wrote:

Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more 
for duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have 
two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is 
going to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-17 Thread Josh Reynolds 
Look under the selected radios on the right side. There are GPS coordinates
boxes right below height and EIRP that say "AP Location" and "Station
Location".

On Aug 17, 2017 8:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Is there an easy way to drop a location from Google Earth or RM into
> airlink?
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>
> airlink.ubnt.com
>
> Click on "AirFiber fx" line on the right side in the middle, then 11 GHz.
> Rest is self explanatory.
>
> On Aug 15, 2017 1:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Link does not work.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>
>> https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you
>> figure out what you need easily.
>>
>> It does require you to log in with your account.
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on
>>> congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be
>>> desirable and perhaps narrower channels too.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jeremy
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>>
>>> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which
>>> frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just
>>> an example.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the
>>>> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want
>>>> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to
>>>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and
>>>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the
>>>>> second one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what
>>>>> frequencies you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since 
>>>>> there
>>>>> are two different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're 
>>>>> in.
>>>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for
>>>>>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same frequency?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is
>>>>>> going to cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-17 Thread Chuck McCown 
Is there an easy way to drop a location from Google Earth or RM into airlink?

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

airlink.ubnt.com 

Click on "AirFiber fx" line on the right side in the middle, then 11 GHz. Rest 
is self explanatory.

On Aug 15, 2017 1:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Link does not work.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you 
figure out what you need easily. 

  It does require you to log in with your account.

  On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on congestion.  
I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and 
perhaps narrower channels too.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) 
- they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
other side.

  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second 
one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies you're 
going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two different 
duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.

You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).


On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

  Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is 
going to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-16 Thread Hardy, Tim 
Just make sure that you meet the bit rate and payload requirements of 101.141.  
If you can't do that, getting the "widest channel you can" would be problematic.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 10:39:20 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Seems pointless not to ask for the widest channel you can get. Unless you're 
absolutely sure you're never going to need more bandwidth, then I guess you 
could be nice and try to leave some more spectrum open, but if there's even a 
tiny chance you're going to ever need more capacity, I'd just go for the widest 
you can get.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Yes, I have been looking at the matrix.  It appears that almost all of them 
will work with a 2 foot dish at up to perhaps 10 miles.
So the question will be what to ask for on the license.  I presume I should ask 
for the widest channel I can get.

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 7:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Suggestion..  Look at the Users guide from ubnt.com<http://ubnt.com> website 
for the AF11X.

AF11x can work on a number of configurations..
   Channels width of 5mhz to 56(80mhz)mhz
   SISO horizontal or vertical only channels
   MIMO both polarities (horizontal + Vertical), this configuration needs the 
additional diplexer.
   ( any combination of above ! ).

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518<tel:(305)%20663-5518> x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
Yeah, not too worried about the dupler/diplexer cost.  If licensing is the 
same, why not.

From: Jon Langeler
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

I like using both polarities to maximize Rx sensitivity. Coordination is the 
same cost. Duplexers are also not that much more.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Aug 15, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get 250Mbps 
out of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going in narrower 
than that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make more sense, that 
should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the link will do 
1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity, so it may save a 
bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the extra duplexers.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on congestion.  I 
only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and perhaps 
narrower channels too.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the duplexers 
go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 'High' 
duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) - they 
will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the other 
side.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second one 
separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies you're going 
to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two different duplexers, 
depending on which half of the band you're in.
You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-16 Thread Mathew Howard 
Seems pointless not to ask for the widest channel you can get. Unless
you're absolutely sure you're never going to need more bandwidth, then I
guess you could be nice and try to leave some more spectrum open, but if
there's even a tiny chance you're going to ever need more capacity, I'd
just go for the widest you can get.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Yes, I have been looking at the matrix.  It appears that almost all of
> them will work with a 2 foot dish at up to perhaps 10 miles.
> So the question will be what to ask for on the license.  I presume I
> should ask for the widest channel I can get.
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 7:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>
> Suggestion..  Look at the Users guide from ubnt.com website for the AF11X.
>
> AF11x can work on a number of configurations..
>Channels width of 5mhz to 56(80mhz)mhz
>SISO horizontal or vertical only channels
>MIMO both polarities (horizontal + Vertical), this configuration needs
> the additional diplexer.
>( any combination of above ! ).
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:12:44 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>
> Yeah, not too worried about the dupler/diplexer cost.  If licensing is the
> same, why not.
>
> *From:* Jon Langeler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 4:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>
> I like using both polarities to maximize Rx sensitivity. Coordination is
> the same cost. Duplexers are also not that much more.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get
> 250Mbps out of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going
> in narrower than that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make
> more sense, that should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the
> link will do 1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity,
> so it may save a bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the
> extra duplexers.
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on
>> congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be
>> desirable and perhaps narrower channels too.
>>
>> *From:* Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>
>> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which
>> frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just
>> an example.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the
>>> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want
>>> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to
>>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and
>>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second
>>>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies
>>>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two
>>>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
>>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for
>>>>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
>>>>> have
>>>>> two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the
>>>>> same frequency?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going
>>>>> to cost.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-16 Thread Chuck McCown 
Yes, I have been looking at the matrix.  It appears that almost all of them 
will work with a 2 foot dish at up to perhaps 10 miles.  
So the question will be what to ask for on the license.  I presume I should ask 
for the widest channel I can get.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 7:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Suggestion..  Look at the Users guide from ubnt.com website for the AF11X.

AF11x can work on a number of configurations..
   Channels width of 5mhz to 56(80mhz)mhz 
   SISO horizontal or vertical only channels 
   MIMO both polarities (horizontal + Vertical), this configuration needs the 
additional diplexer.
   ( any combination of above ! ).

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:12:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  Yeah, not too worried about the dupler/diplexer cost.  If licensing is the 
same, why not. 

  From: Jon Langeler
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 4:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  I like using both polarities to maximize Rx sensitivity. Coordination is the 
same cost. Duplexers are also not that much more.


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  On Aug 15, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:


Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get 
250Mbps out of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going in 
narrower than that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make more 
sense, that should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the link 
will do 1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity, so it may 
save a bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the extra duplexers.


On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on 
congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be 
desirable and perhaps narrower channels too. 

  From: Jeremy
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) 
- they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
other side.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the 
second one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies 
you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two 
different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.

  You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).


  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
wrote:

Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more 
for duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have 
two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is 
going to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-16 Thread Mike Hammett 
Correct, that is not an 11 GHz radio. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 11:02:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x 

That is not the correct picture, that picture looks like an unlicensed AFx 
radio.� 


On 8/15/2017 10:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





Does this photo show an AF-11X?� I have a different product in my lab sent to 
me from UBNT. 
http://www.wlanmall.com/ubiquiti-airfiber-11x-backhaul-radio-11ghz-1-2gbps-low-band-af-11fx-l/
 


� 

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:52 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] AF-11x 
� 



Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?� Not quite sure how to buy or license.� I guess you have to have 
two pairs of frequencies?� Or at the very least, both polarizations on the 
same frequency? 
� 
Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to 
cost.�

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
Suggestion.. Look at the Users guide from ubnt.com website for the AF11X. 

AF11x can work on a number of configurations.. 
Channels width of 5mhz to 56(80mhz)mhz 
SISO horizontal or vertical only channels 
MIMO both polarities (horizontal + Vertical), this configuration needs the 
additional diplexer. 
( any combination of above ! ). 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

> Yeah, not too worried about the dupler/diplexer cost. If licensing is the 
> same,
> why not.
> From: Jon Langeler
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 4:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
> I like using both polarities to maximize Rx sensitivity. Coordination is the
> same cost. Duplexers are also not that much more.

> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Aug 15, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get 250Mbps 
>> out
>> of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going in narrower 
>> than
>> that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make more sense, that
>> should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the link will do
>> 1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity, so it may save 
>> a
>> bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the extra duplexers.
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

>>> What is a common channel BW? 40 MHz? I suppose it depends on congestion. I 
>>> only
>>> need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and perhaps
>>> narrower channels too.
>>> From: Jeremy
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which
>>> frequencies it is supposed to operate on. The above configuration is just an
>>> example.
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>>> They are like that, but 3x bigger. On top, the lid comes off and the 
>>>> duplexers
>>>> go beneath the cover. If your link is 'High' then you will want 'High'
>>>> duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) - 
>>>> they
>>>> will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
>>>> other
>>>> side.
>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > 
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second 
>>>>> one
>>>>> separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies you're 
>>>>> going
>>>>> to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two different 
>>>>> duplexers,
>>>>> depending on which half of the band you're in.
>>>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

>>>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
>>>>>> duplexers?
>>>>>> Not quite sure how to buy or license. I guess you have to have two pairs 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> frequencies? Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
>>>>>> frequency?
>>>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going 
>>>>>> to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Mathew Howard 
Yeah, true. I couldn't remember if adding the second polarity changed the
licensing cost or not... if it doesn't then, it's well worth it, unless the
channels aren't available.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Yeah, not too worried about the dupler/diplexer cost.  If licensing is the
> same, why not.
>
> *From:* Jon Langeler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 4:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>
> I like using both polarities to maximize Rx sensitivity. Coordination is
> the same cost. Duplexers are also not that much more.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get
> 250Mbps out of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going
> in narrower than that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make
> more sense, that should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the
> link will do 1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity,
> so it may save a bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the
> extra duplexers.
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on
>> congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be
>> desirable and perhaps narrower channels too.
>>
>> *From:* Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>
>> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which
>> frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just
>> an example.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the
>>> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want
>>> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to
>>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and
>>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second
>>>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies
>>>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two
>>>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
>>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for
>>>>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
>>>>> have
>>>>> two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the
>>>>> same frequency?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going
>>>>> to cost.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown 
Yeah, not too worried about the dupler/diplexer cost.  If licensing is the 
same, why not.  

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

I like using both polarities to maximize Rx sensitivity. Coordination is the 
same cost. Duplexers are also not that much more.


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Aug 15, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get 250Mbps 
out of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going in narrower 
than that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make more sense, that 
should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the link will do 
1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity, so it may save a 
bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the extra duplexers.


  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on congestion.  
I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and 
perhaps narrower channels too.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) 
- they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
other side.

  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second 
one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies you're 
going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two different 
duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.

You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).


On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

  Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is 
going to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Jon Langeler 
I like using both polarities to maximize Rx sensitivity. Coordination is the 
same cost. Duplexers are also not that much more.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 15, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get 250Mbps 
> out of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going in 
> narrower than that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make more 
> sense, that should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the link 
> will do 1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity, so it 
> may save a bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the extra 
> duplexers.
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on congestion.  
>> I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and 
>> perhaps narrower channels too. 
>>  
>> From: Jeremy
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>  
>> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
>> frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just 
>> an example.
>>  
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
>>> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
>>> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to 
>>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 
>>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>>>  
>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second 
>>>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies 
>>>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two 
>>>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
>>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>>  
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
>>>>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
>>>>> have two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations 
>>>>> on the same frequency?
>>>>>  
>>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to 
>>>>> cost. 
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown 
Be interesting to see what kind of channels will be available if I build this 
network.  Got something 11 paths.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get 250Mbps 
out of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going in narrower 
than that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make more sense, that 
should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the link will do 
1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity, so it may save a 
bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the extra duplexers.


On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on congestion.  I 
only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and perhaps 
narrower channels too.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) 
- they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
other side.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second 
one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies you're 
going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two different 
duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.

  You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).


  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going 
to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Mathew Howard 
Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get
250Mbps out of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going
in narrower than that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make
more sense, that should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the
link will do 1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity,
so it may save a bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the
extra duplexers.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on
> congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be
> desirable and perhaps narrower channels too.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>
> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which
> frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just
> an example.
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the
>> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want
>> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to
>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and
>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second
>>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies
>>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two
>>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for
>>>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have
>>>> two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the
>>>> same frequency?
>>>>
>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going
>>>> to cost.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Josh Reynolds 
airlink.ubnt.com

Click on "AirFiber fx" line on the right side in the middle, then 11 GHz.
Rest is self explanatory.

On Aug 15, 2017 1:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Link does not work.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>
> https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you
> figure out what you need easily.
>
> It does require you to log in with your account.
>
> On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on
>> congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be
>> desirable and perhaps narrower channels too.
>>
>> *From:* Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>>
>> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which
>> frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just
>> an example.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the
>>> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want
>>> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to
>>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and
>>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second
>>>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies
>>>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two
>>>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
>>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for
>>>>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
>>>>> have
>>>>> two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the
>>>>> same frequency?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going
>>>>> to cost.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown 
Link does not work.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you figure 
out what you need easily. 

It does require you to log in with your account.

On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on congestion.  I 
only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and perhaps 
narrower channels too.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) 
- they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
other side.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second 
one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies you're 
going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two different 
duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.

  You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).


  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going 
to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown 
I will give it a look.  Been working through radio mobile so far.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you figure 
out what you need easily. 

It does require you to log in with your account.

On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on congestion.  I 
only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and perhaps 
narrower channels too.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

  Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) 
- they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
other side.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second 
one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies you're 
going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two different 
duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.

  You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).


  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going 
to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Josh Reynolds 
https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you
figure out what you need easily.

It does require you to log in with your account.

On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on
> congestion.  I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be
> desirable and perhaps narrower channels too.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
>
> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which
> frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just
> an example.
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the
>> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want
>> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to
>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and
>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second
>>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies
>>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two
>>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for
>>>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have
>>>> two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the
>>>> same frequency?
>>>>
>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going
>>>> to cost.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown 
What is a common channel BW?  40 MHz?  I suppose it depends on congestion.  I 
only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and perhaps 
narrower channels too.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which 
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just an 
example.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the 
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want 
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to purchase) 
- they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and 3-1-1-3 on the 
other side.

  On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second one 
separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies you're going 
to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two different duplexers, 
depending on which half of the band you're in.

You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).


On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

  Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to 
cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Jeremy 
Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which
frequencies it is supposed to operate on.  The above configuration is just
an example.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the
> duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want
> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to
> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and
> 3-1-1-3 on the other side.
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second
>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies
>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two
>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for
>>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have
>>> two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the
>>> same frequency?
>>>
>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going
>>> to cost.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Jeremy 
They are like that, but 3x bigger.  On top, the lid comes off and the
duplexers go beneath the cover.  If your link is 'High' then you will want
'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to
purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and
3-1-1-3 on the other side.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second
> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies
> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two
> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for
>> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have
>> two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the
>> same frequency?
>>
>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to
>> cost.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Mathew Howard 
They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second one
separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies you're
going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two different
duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in.
You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO).

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for
> duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have
> two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the
> same frequency?
>
> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to
> cost.
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Nate Burke 
That is not the correct picture, that picture looks like an unlicensed 
AFx radio.


On 8/15/2017 10:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Does this photo show an AF-11X?  I have a different product in my lab 
sent to me from UBNT.

http://www.wlanmall.com/ubiquiti-airfiber-11x-backhaul-radio-11ghz-1-2gbps-low-band-af-11fx-l/
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] AF-11x
Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
have two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both 
polarizations on the same frequency?
Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going 
to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Nate Burke 
You buy the radio which is the same hardware for all 11ghz, then the 
Diplexers for your licensed frequency, High or low.  1 Diplexer per end 
for a SISO link, 1 polarity.  2 Diplexers per end for a MIMO link, Dual 
Polarity.  In the radio firmware you do not select different frequencies 
for the different polarities, just weather it is SISO or MIMO.


The Top of the radio has 4 SMA Connectors on it.  The diplexer spans 2 
SMA Connectors and gives you a N Connector to attach to the antenna.


Hope this helps a little.

On 8/15/2017 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
have two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both 
polarizations on the same frequency?
Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going 
to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
They can do SISO or MIMO
They come with 1 duplexer (gives you SISO).
You need to buy the other duplexer to get MIMO.

Make sure you buy the right duplexer for your frequency range.  The radio 
doesn't care.  The duplexer does.


Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown 
Does this photo show an AF-11X?  I have a different product in my lab sent to 
me from UBNT.
http://www.wlanmall.com/ubiquiti-airfiber-11x-backhaul-radio-11ghz-1-2gbps-low-band-af-11fx-l/

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] AF-11x

Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to cost.

[AFMUG] AF-11x

2017-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown 
Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to have two 
pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both polarizations on the same 
frequency?

Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to cost.