Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
Oh, ... nevermind... -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting The AF5X is a connectorized version. The "peanut" design of other AFxx designs is not applicable. bp On 10/18/2016 8:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: AF has a non symmetry in the TX and RX antennas. If all the signal was coming out of the same antenna I would say that yes, it is hard to cause a non symmetry.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
The AF5X is a connectorized version. The "peanut" design of other AFxx designs is not applicable. bp On 10/18/2016 8:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: AF has a non symmetry in the TX and RX antennas. If all the signal was coming out of the same antenna I would say that yes, it is hard to cause a non symmetry.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
He is using AF5X Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2016 17:18 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting AF has a non symmetry in the TX and RX antennas. If all the signal was coming out of the same antenna I would say that yes, it is hard to cause a non symmetry. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting RF paths though are almost always symmetric. Most common cause would be xmt power set wrong or bad electronics. Also 20 dB low is often symptomatic of a bad power amp on the xmt side or a bad RF switch on a TDD radio. Only after all the horses have been investigated and eliminated would I start looking for zebras. If you have a spare radio, I would swap out the radio at the xmt end of the bad path. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting I would bet on the tank causing problems. You need to be 10-20 or more wavelengths away from anything to get predictable results. From: Craig House Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Doesn't include land cover I bet Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Plug into LinkPlanner Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat <mailto:m...@davidkunat.com> > wrote: > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive > levels (at the far end of the link). > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or close > to tree tops on one end? > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House > <mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the other 3 > > how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to point > > both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive > > and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me > > which end has the problem. > > > > Craig > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
AF has a non symmetry in the TX and RX antennas. If all the signal was coming out of the same antenna I would say that yes, it is hard to cause a non symmetry. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting RF paths though are almost always symmetric. Most common cause would be xmt power set wrong or bad electronics. Also 20 dB low is often symptomatic of a bad power amp on the xmt side or a bad RF switch on a TDD radio. Only after all the horses have been investigated and eliminated would I start looking for zebras. If you have a spare radio, I would swap out the radio at the xmt end of the bad path. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting I would bet on the tank causing problems. You need to be 10-20 or more wavelengths away from anything to get predictable results. From: Craig House Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman wrote: Doesn't include land cover I bet Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman wrote: Plug into LinkPlanner Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive levels (at the far end of the link). > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or close to tree tops on one end? > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House wrote: > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me which end has the problem. > > > > Craig > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
RF paths though are almost always symmetric. Most common cause would be xmt power set wrong or bad electronics. Also 20 dB low is often symptomatic of a bad power amp on the xmt side or a bad RF switch on a TDD radio. Only after all the horses have been investigated and eliminated would I start looking for zebras. If you have a spare radio, I would swap out the radio at the xmt end of the bad path. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting I would bet on the tank causing problems. You need to be 10-20 or more wavelengths away from anything to get predictable results. From: Craig House Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Doesn't include land cover I bet Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Plug into LinkPlanner Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat <mailto:m...@davidkunat.com> > wrote: > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive > levels (at the far end of the link). > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or close > to tree tops on one end? > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House > <mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the other 3 > > how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to point > > both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive > > and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me > > which end has the problem. > > > > Craig > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
I would bet on the tank causing problems. You need to be 10-20 or more wavelengths away from anything to get predictable results. From: Craig House Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman wrote: Doesn't include land cover I bet Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman wrote: Plug into LinkPlanner Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive levels (at the far end of the link). > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or close to tree tops on one end? > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House wrote: > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me which end has the problem. > > > > Craig > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
If it were me I'd bring a change of hardware on the tx site (not from the screenshot, the other one transmitting). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Craig House wrote: > Yes -64 before I changed dishes and turned up the power a bit. Link > planner showed -64 also. I'm getting it on all but one chain. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:46, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Do you remember what ideal was supposed to be? Hopefully -64? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Craig House > wrote: > >> The antennas were set to 23 DB antennas and I change them up after I took >> this picture to 30 DBI dishes that I'm using. It did change the ideal >> signal but it didn't change the actual signal >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:41, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >> Do you have your power/antennas set right? Between those two points and >> the set power levels you're supposed to see -53... >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Craig House >> wrote: >> >>> It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty >>> wide-open view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop >>> on one end and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. >>> The odd part is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the >>> chains. I have a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly >>> causing some weird reflection >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman >>> wrote: >>> >>> Doesn't include land cover I bet >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >>> Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman wrote: Plug into LinkPlanner Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom > of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough > with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount > tomorrow and see what happens. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: > > > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device > receive levels (at the far end of the link). > > > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground > or close to tree tops on one end? > > > > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House > wrote: > > > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than > the other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already > tried > to point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes > by > drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can > tell > me which end has the problem. > > > > > > Craig > > > > >> >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
Yes -64 before I changed dishes and turned up the power a bit. Link planner showed -64 also. I'm getting it on all but one chain. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:46, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Do you remember what ideal was supposed to be? Hopefully -64? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Craig House >> wrote: >> The antennas were set to 23 DB antennas and I change them up after I took >> this picture to 30 DBI dishes that I'm using. It did change the ideal >> signal but it didn't change the actual signal >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:41, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Do you have your power/antennas set right? Between those two points and >>> the set power levels you're supposed to see -53... >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Craig House wrote: It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Doesn't include land cover I bet > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > >> On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >> Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman >>> wrote: >>> >>> Plug into LinkPlanner >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device > receive levels (at the far end of the link). > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground > or close to tree tops on one end? > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House > > wrote: > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than > > the other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have > > already tried to point both ends better but they are 22 miles > > apart by air. 45 minutes by drive and I dont want to just keep > > driving and climbing if someone can tell me which end has the > > problem. > > > > Craig > > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
Do you remember what ideal was supposed to be? Hopefully -64? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Craig House wrote: > The antennas were set to 23 DB antennas and I change them up after I took > this picture to 30 DBI dishes that I'm using. It did change the ideal > signal but it didn't change the actual signal > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:41, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Do you have your power/antennas set right? Between those two points and > the set power levels you're supposed to see -53... > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Craig House > wrote: > >> It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty >> wide-open view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop >> on one end and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. >> The odd part is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the >> chains. I have a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly >> causing some weird reflection >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >> Doesn't include land cover I bet >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >> >>> Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman >>> wrote: >>> >>> Plug into LinkPlanner >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >>> Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive levels (at the far end of the link). > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or close to tree tops on one end? > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House wrote: > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me which end has the problem. > > > > Craig > > >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
The antennas were set to 23 DB antennas and I change them up after I took this picture to 30 DBI dishes that I'm using. It did change the ideal signal but it didn't change the actual signal Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:41, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Do you have your power/antennas set right? Between those two points and the > set power levels you're supposed to see -53... > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Craig House >> wrote: >> It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open >> view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end >> and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part >> is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have >> a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some >> weird reflection >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Doesn't include land cover I bet >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Plug into LinkPlanner > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > >> On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >> Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom >> of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough >> with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the >> mount tomorrow and see what happens. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: >> > >> > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. >> > >> > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. >> > >> > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device >> > receive levels (at the far end of the link). >> > >> > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or >> > close to tree tops on one end? >> > >> > >> > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the >> > > other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already >> > > tried to point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. >> > > 45 minutes by drive and I dont want to just keep driving and >> > > climbing if someone can tell me which end has the problem. >> > > >> > > Craig >> > > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
Do you have your power/antennas set right? Between those two points and the set power levels you're supposed to see -53... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Craig House wrote: > It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open > view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one > end and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd > part is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. > I have a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing > some weird reflection > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Doesn't include land cover I bet > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > >> Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >> Plug into LinkPlanner >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >> >>> Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom >>> of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough >>> with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount >>> tomorrow and see what happens. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: >>> > >>> > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. >>> > >>> > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. >>> > >>> > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device >>> receive levels (at the far end of the link). >>> > >>> > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or >>> close to tree tops on one end? >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the >>> other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to >>> point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by >>> drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell >>> me which end has the problem. >>> > > >>> > > Craig >>> > > >>> >>
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Doesn't include land cover I bet > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > >> On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >> Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Plug into LinkPlanner >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device > receive levels (at the far end of the link). > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or > close to tree tops on one end? > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House > > wrote: > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the > > other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already > > tried to point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 > > minutes by drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if > > someone can tell me which end has the problem. > > > > Craig > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
Doesn't include land cover I bet Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Plug into LinkPlanner > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > >> Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of >> the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with >> all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount >> tomorrow and see what happens. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: >> > >> > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. >> > >> > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. >> > >> > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device >> receive levels (at the far end of the link). >> > >> > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or >> close to tree tops on one end? >> > >> > >> > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House >> wrote: >> > > >> > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the >> other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to >> point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by >> drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell >> me which end has the problem. >> > > >> > > Craig >> > > >> >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Plug into LinkPlanner > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > >> On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: >> Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of >> the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with >> all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount >> tomorrow and see what happens. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: >> > >> > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. >> > >> > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. >> > >> > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive >> > levels (at the far end of the link). >> > >> > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or >> > close to tree tops on one end? >> > >> > >> > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the >> > > other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried >> > > to point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes >> > > by drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone >> > > can tell me which end has the problem. >> > > >> > > Craig >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
Plug into LinkPlanner Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House" wrote: > Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of > the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with > all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount > tomorrow and see what happens. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: > > > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device > receive levels (at the far end of the link). > > > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or > close to tree tops on one end? > > > > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House > wrote: > > > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the > other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to > point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by > drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell > me which end has the problem. > > > > > > Craig > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end. It bottom of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the wind here today 45mph. I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat wrote: > > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive > levels (at the far end of the link). > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or close > to tree tops on one end? > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House wrote: > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the other 3 > > how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to point > > both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive > > and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me > > which end has the problem. > > > > Craig > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
Probably something in the path. If it was a jumper or dish it would be both sides the same loss. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2016 7:03 PM, "David Kunat" wrote: > There are only two polarities on th af-x series. > > The first two are the receive signals at the local device. > > The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive > levels (at the far end of the link). > > Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or > close to tree tops on one end? > > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House > wrote: > > > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the > other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to > point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by > drive and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell > me which end has the problem. > > > > Craig > > >
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting
There are only two polarities on th af-x series. The first two are the receive signals at the local device. The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive levels (at the far end of the link). Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or close to tree tops on one end? > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House wrote: > > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the other 3 > how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to point > both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive > and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me > which end has the problem. > > Craig >
