What is "conscious" and "unethical to harm" are only applied to 'personnels'
when they will *stop you* from killing them/hurting them and/or *look like
you*. There's _NO_ reason to not hurt or kill someone. Except for what I just,
stated. Humans would cut down a tall tree even if it has purple t
Haha! Think harder, if 2 (or 10) people were trapped in a rock cave, or trapped
on a place called Earth, and each wants to extend their life, but one must be
eaten else ALL die, who should give up their life and who should have the meal?
You could say oh, the one who knows how to operate the air
While the thought of giving my life up because another will surely fill in my
position (no harm done to the hive) seems like a working-plan, it's not, I want
to resist death, as soon as I feel pain of hunger I can't go through with it, I
press the button and extend my life. So although the hive
What are you suggesting WoM.I'm dangerous? No. I avoid breaking laws I
can't escape and I make decisions that benefit the majority/hive. If killing my
teammate results in my possible death/pain or yield loss it won't be happening.
In fact it kills me if yield is lost, I mean if I care to max
We threw away God to become atheists, God was just to govern the people and
trick them. I bet most of yous still cough up religious beliefs, like that you
are 'conscious' or 'not a machine' or 'has feelings' or 'has free will' or
'pain actually hurts' or 'I should only marry one wife'. It's just
we need ASIs, many, 100 more of me won't do anything different much
lmao.AGI+better sensors starts to be more ASI-like
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All this time we've been calling it AGI. It won't be anything like us. It'll
have more memory, faster thinking and moving, bigger bodies, wirelessly
communication, strong cooperation and reasoning, fast replication and
repairing, omg, this is ASI, many of them!
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As Ben said, there's narrow AGI - a construction worker AGI, a mathematician
AGI, and so on. These skills and wisdom,,, tools, higher intelligence,
attention, memory etc will combine to be very ASI like. Like we are as a
society, we are specialized, but it will be ever more soon.
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"consciousness" isn't a real thing and can't be tested in a lab...
I see the video of the insect death, yeah ... hosting happens, bacteria live in
our guts and dogs live in our homes and they co-evolve together.
On Thursday, November 07, 2019, at 8:19 PM, James Bowery wrote:
> Babies and Puppies
Love it WoM! Hilarious! I'm sure I'll explain deeper soon. I have a very
reasonable theory and maybe I'm 50% wrong. I go by whim as yous know, I take a
bag of context and don't always know what's in the bag, so I'm not an expert on
anything and I write this stuff fast as I go but I learn fast if
On Friday, November 08, 2019, at 12:15 AM, TimTyler wrote:
> Intelligence measures an agent’s ability to achieve goals in a wide
range of environments".
I have never been able to swallow this proposed definition because
I think it leaves out something important, namely: the idea that
intelligence
On Thursday, November 07, 2019, at 11:31 PM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
wrote:
> rational politicians sit in war rooms watching
their enemies getting killed in real time. some do cheer.
Trump did that recently!
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> irrational persons accept the state of this world and seek and enjoy the
> beauty it has to offer. they are motivated to do good to others and sustain
> the world for all persons equally. they even buy and bui
This presentation summary is nice to hear, I am making one myself. What to
improve, hmm, I do agree with what you are thinking, the human brain/AGI does
record lots of data and sees patterns which allow it to use experiences to
solve brand new problems. Solutions are simple, frequent, related, e
So what to improve, um, I would like to see a lot more into how AGI works, a
much more longer but solid explanation for all laypeople and in as short as
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Real world, mental planning/simulating, reflexes, tools, more data, longer
attention, better sensors/motors, more teammates, faster thinking, able to
erase memories.this is all intelligence.
I will explain later what exactly is intelligence, if you actually still don't
know by now. I've alr
What's with the second post above? There's no message or image.
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On Friday, November 08, 2019, at 2:15 AM, WriterOfMinds wrote:
> "Look, I am a machine and I hate pain, I love reproduction and eating food
> the most and also AGI - which increases my chances of eating and playing
> video games and mating etc in the future."
> Do you care about what any other en
Ah I see.
On Friday, November 08, 2019, at 2:01 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
wrote:
> Hmmevolution does advance.
>
> >>>Humankind generally do not have thousands of years to be able to observe
> >>>the rational evolution of diversification. At best, we have Science's word
> >>>for
On Friday, November 08, 2019, at 3:47 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
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> are you a bot?
>
No NKT, lol, not a bot I'm a real person bro hehe...this is AGI list...
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I am human see >>> Me HuaN AnD R typING actual lett e r s. You think I
anint humannn? I am! I will conquer Earth and spread ground. wahahahahaha!!!
Um, yeah. I'm real and WoM is cool. You saw me up late last night writing many
long msgs all day and assume the crackpottery is surely a bot. No
Survival requires general adaptive plans. Thinking allows you flexibility to
generate plans. Real arms allow you to refine your plans plus carry them out.
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Matt's got good point. It's all about what it does, what we need. Survival.
'advances/progress' are just survival steps. Sure, the brainz/AGI will be
needed to do the big stunts; the right data, attention, etc, but you can look
at it more sane like matt said.
50 years ago you wrote this?:
http://mind.sourceforge.net/theory1.html
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So... you are extremely old now, ~80, wow. What are you trying to implement
with this plan of yours? Is there a place that summarizes it all in 4,000 words
(clearly lol)? Explain a bit as clear as you can...
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*I have something shocking to tell yous*. Strap your seat belt in. If the whole
universe is just a bunch of particles and everything is a machine made of
machines and nothing is alive or conscious and can all be moved, metaled,
squished, or rotated (as we do to hamburgers when they enter our mou
Good one. It's all in my head and it's only me. Best way to cover up what I
said isn't it. That it's just me thinking it all. But I can think using what I
learnt. And what I learnt is what I see. It is that everything is matter and so
am I. I see my desktop right now, and part of my body, it's a
Maybe I am a bot. Beep.
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On Sunday, November 10, 2019, at 12:42 PM, rouncer81 wrote:
> I MEAN-> god caused the problem he wants MAN to solve, even tho he can solve
> his own problem he caused himself anyway.
The big bang gave us our lives, our fun moments, our suffering, and our death.
It could have solved all our issues
Oh the OP meant giving your life up to help your species replicate too, in all
4, the piggy backing is sorta like hey, i'm stronger, i take your resources and
spread, the others submit/succumb and say OK under the law of physics (they
die). The offspring take over the land. As for the 4th way, g
Let me tell you a story:
1) First the apes couldn't think. But they loved food and mating.
2) Finally apes could think. They wondered why they don't kill themselves and
concluded it would be horrible. Don't wanna.
3) At last, the apes realized they are made of elementary particles. They
wondered
Korrelan found this video. This is what will happen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiuP8h1JbkE&feature=emb_title
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**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still_(2008_film)
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openAI said they had tensorflow trouble too
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It is hilarious to go to the AI demo page and see the new command "I FEEL
SOMETHING" lol
So it has text and numeric input. But my conversation disappears after a few
minutes and it has limited responses that make no sense and has lag time and
makes my input disappear as i type it plus combi
Hehe hehe HEHEHEHEHEHEHE WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!:
https://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html#x1-30001.1
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That page was the most thrilling, hilarious thing I read in a while..
I mean Ben is even involved.
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LOL I just got the OP's post on this topic:
"We send out memes to propagate the AGI propaganda. When we are not coding
http://ai.neocities.org/Ghost.html -- the Ghost in the Machine -- we cruise the
Web in search of memetic touch-points. On 2019-10-23 we found at Hacker News a
link to a potenti
I thought you were doing that, good one.
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I was planning over 2 years ago that's the best way to reach others. I'm not
saying over-antidoting, but spread out, ya. Interactive, yeah. Kid-friendly and
layman friendly, ya. My take is it should be clear and realer and use OpenAI
references though.
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I know I said we need ASIs not AGIs because strictly AGIs with no enhancements
is just another congress, but ASI is the cherry on the cake, our real goal IS
AGI after all, once we do it we can give them their enhancements (more mem,
never tired, smaller body, clones, etc) and up them to ASI leve
My point was that, AGI with no enhancements, isn't gonna help us at-all in fact
not at all. We need make them work on science, be open minded, have
calculators, skills, more mem, fast thinking/motors, can clone brain, never
gets tired. Meaning we need ASIs. Thankfully it's very easy to make AGI
Such ASIs will spread like humans did, but much much faster.
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They can literally teleport to Asia from America and posses their supercomputer
and then start breeding. Tin men come to life by ghosts and sometimes multiple
demons!! I take the left eye and arm!
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Their children are literally adults. Clones. Their skills are others skills.
List goes on.
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On Friday, November 15, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> I stopped following them. I don't believe there will be a singularity like
> Vinge predicted for 2023 because infinite gains in technology are impossible
> in a finite universe.
>
Exponential singularity is definitely true, we have
As for John's finding, nice pdf. I'm gonna go through every one of them here:
There's a lot of theories for one's 'self', isn't there? None can be measured.
You CAN make PERFECT clones run in perfect parallel in the same computer.
Copies ARE you. We can't test if a ghost is linked to a machine t
sorry i forgot "A mind which is
completely controlled
by one idea."
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What is your project or idea? If you want you can email me (hover over my name).
Depending on the project, my support would vary from hundreds to thousands of
US dollars.
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No I'm very serious about supporting someone here. It doesn't have to be
exactly an AGI project, it can be something new that is towards AGI or even
just research. For example OpenAI's achievements are such projects. I am
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Open AI is implementing Unsupervised Learning though:
https://openai.com/blog/better-language-models/
Unsupervised Learning is auto sorting, you have a compression/error goal still
but that's it.
Supervised Learning is when you give it many labels and tell it to match some
data or gather new data
James, I know compression is AGI but what is your AGI project or research idea
to spend money on? To compress it further? What will it teach us further that
Alexander Rhatushnyak (current long-time winner) didn't already teach us? We
already know context mixing was needed, multiple predictive m
Ah, so chopping off some employees makes for a great team... You remove useless
data and get the same thing anyhow once decompressed. The model for employee
pattern learning learns patterns and can add back employees correctly in
diverse businesses. Wait insn't that a GPT-2 Task to say who is wh
Aka it's the same thing, remove data in text, but it's in the brains of humans
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Say you have 100 people each that know diverse knowledge. They all help each
other like a quantum computer's qubits or like Glove word meaning understanding
context learning. But say a few team members have redundant information or
tasks, you can do the same productivity with 8 of them fired and
Well, we can try it, we do employee job firing (task changing, whether you are
in the building or another building, same same), not requiring any death.
That's the way things work these days.
You didn't answer my questions. Maybe we need Matt Mahoney.
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"To attain workforce, hire employees every day. To attain productivity, fire
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https://steemit.com/philosophy/@garyzmcgee1/mcgee-s-guillotine
See!
Oops, by common I mean physics made human fighting/murder move over to the
ideas side, and firing employees too, not simply it's just 'uncommon'.
Cooperation today has greater benefit.
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But the compression prize is meant to make new discoveries, to teach the others
in the public. If no one can find a new technique (that works on other
datasets), nor can explain them to the public, why is the contest still such a
big thing towards AGI?? Is it making any more point? Is it explain
The guillotine meant social policy, not literally firing/ridding of others
didn't it? Hmm, so you have 100 humans and compress their social beliefs and
find patterns, norms, that can reconstruct productivity and security using few
social norms, by 'ignoring' some beliefs. However if we can't del
“I think the brain isn’t concerned with squeezing a lot of knowledge into a few
connections, it’s concerned with extracting knowledge quickly using lots of
connections.” Geoff Hinton.
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True, lots and lots of data, to get patterns. But that lots and lots of data
can be losslessly compressed all while *allowing you to extract patterns.
Compressing, tons of data, allows you to Learn the fundamental elements.
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One of my research areas has prospered and is really breathtaking. It is very
clear to grasp. I'm going to soon share everything I learned with the world.
But to reach people faster and get a name, I'm looking for someone big to post
it for me. Like Ben or Matt or OpenAI. I'm sure you'll love it
It will be a good first small publish to kick off some big things in a clear
and friendly way.
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Where millions of people see it, where Ben or OpenAI regularly post already, to
get the highest-level people like all the OpenAI members on board. Not just the
laymen, of course.
It's pretty simple to grasp/prove and not a bad way to slowly (but quickly, no
filler content) kick things off final
I'll write it up starting now, fresh. I love writing about it, again, I find
out new things as I run through it.
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I love how I forget the other ) often like GPT-2 does or type the wrong word
when I say a wrong too often and it sounded similar or when I miss a key and I
add an extra tap just to fell good.
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Matt is right because you MUST decompress it to work with it. Even for text
entailment discovery, you'll throw away high-level nodes that require re-making
from lower ones. They aren't high-level nodes literally, but, are made only in
that order! If you want to save on space plus speed, you need
Correct Matt, we need AGIs, nanotechnologies, data. Self-improvement isn't the
key. Data-recursion is. (although you can get better at doing it)
What makes you so sure physics doesn't have an exponential singularity curve
for approx. Earth? Nanobots will solve the data need, the computing need,
Imagine if his standard model actually worked, it'd floor others once they got
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I ain't got no reply from Matt, nanobots solve the singularity on Earth:
On Monday, November 18, 2019, at 2:50 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote:
> Correct Matt, we need AGIs, nanotechnologies, data. Self-improvement isn't
> the key. Data-recursion is. (although you can get better at doing it)
>
>
OpenAI says they have an alignment on creating AGI together, so a cooperative
discussion board on understanding AGI is probably possible!
If yous are all over the place, its because yous can't even grasp it yet :))
All yous have to do is start discussing AGI for once and we'll all join in.
It's
On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> The best compressors are very complex. They use hundreds or thousands of
> independent context models and adaptively combine their bit predictions and
> encodes the prediction error. The decompressor uses an exact copy of the
> mo
Physics can't do infinity obviously, but the curve does shoot up quite fast, we
get that...
However, if one imagines a Earth sized nanobot blob eating the solar system and
so on, it could grow exponentially faster I think, the bigger it gets the more
it can eat, not linear, however heat death o
Interesting post sean.
Btw I wanted the edit function on this forum too but you know what we gotta
have one place that stores what happened so it's actually just lovely. I
already adapted. If you see a few extra posts well, that PART of the adaption...
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This is a big discussion, we need a forum, a workplace where we can put on our
work boots and hats and get real dirty.
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email is shown if hover over name :)
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So are you saying ReLu based nets are optimizable by removing all need for Relu
activation functions?
Are you saying in your other post we can optimize each layer?
An input has an output in a trained net. If we randomly sample many times,
maybe we can build a heterarchy and throw the net in the
The human body is made of little cells. Our skin, organs, brain, nerves. Bones
are really hard though.
Is the most optimal form of Earth going to be a nanobot blob if they can't be
hard as bone? Yes. They can connect by extending clip-poles into each other.
They can be part of a huge organism t
On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, at 9:44 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> What results does your compressor have on some benchmarks?
I didn't make one. I was only giving my understanding of the current best by
Alex or what may likely be done by him if not already.
Since he didn't open source, he must thin
Yes keghn, I said that 2 weeks back, its one big movie roll, lossless
compression emerges from nothing, to here, we came from nothin
Yes I said this too:
" Compression of static data is biasing perceptrion with the illusion, cooking
the books, lossy data no mater what. "
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It's possible that the beginning was a massive clump of randomly or
symmetrically placed particles that big banged, or the expanding wall is what
spawns particles as expandsthere was no bitstreambut what matters is
the laws of particles, there's only a few, there're in every particle in
What's the fastest way to up your compute, data intake,
experimentation/manipulation, and resist death than to start the nanobot Earth?
Most of Earth will be made of nanoGeneral cells, highly flexible small modules
that make up larger modules and so on. There will be metal beams, nuclear
chambe
What about for text :) You adjust one slider and it changes some words to other
meanings, which can result in others later for other sliders adjusted!
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input:
The cat was in the hat and was sleeping.
Slider 1:
The dog was in the house and was sleeping.
Slider 2:
The dog went in the house and was barking.
words such as less frequent onesrelated ones..co-occuring ones.
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Korrelan hehe...
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To be clear, I'm looking to seriously help AGI projects that are unsupervised
generative models like GPT-2 that are taught data, learn relationships, and can
extract/generate new data by reflecting on prior data. Regardless of what world
it is in, it can predict any data it chooses to. OpenAI's
I didn't mean any data or anything. Only what the universe does. I only meant
patterns. The universe is made of patterns. When it learns data, it learns more
about what the universe is, everything that the universe is.
Did you mean the quantum computer proof? I saw your post.
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Nice long in-confident/confident rant. Yes competition is why we are making
AGI, we got problems, we're mad scientists. If a man never was selfish no one
could make sure anyone got a present, Prisoner's Dilemma (you must rat, he may
too).
So you're saying we are lazy and selfish and on the inte
Not I, but us all are looking for it :). Ok, but I need to know how it works to
generate new data from the old data we have currently. And the results better
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This is some better basics here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKN_Cc-GyCY
And this is a grande overview of the whole AGI field right here, all you need
is to learn what they know:
https://openai.com/progress/
+
https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz/videos
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Are you saying, a monkey does the same job a human does - ride a bicycle, but
the monkey is smaller in size and can swing from branches as well, so we choose
it instead?
We are picking and choosing something based on reasonshow lossless it is,
how small it is, how long it takes to run, how
So why are all our thingies so small? Why aren't birds as big as a tree? Why
aren't men as big as a building? Why aren't programs a billion lines of code
long? Why aren't cells as big as an apple? Why aren't we inviting other workers
into our room? Too much clutter? They get in the way, there's
Ok so water bears cheat a bit, they become hard by vitrifying. But that isn't
the only or best trick to use:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile
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Thermophiles!
https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/life-in-extreme-heat.htm
https://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2013/08/02/5-extreme-life-forms-that-live-on-the-edge/
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I need a full visual drawing of the system, I'm not seeing it... How's it
different from GPT-2? GPT-2 is taught data, learns relationships, and can
predict a word based on the data. "Reflection of data to get the new data."
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Bigger systems are more powerful than small systems.
Smaller is better, bigger has more junk, but once there's no junk it will crush
the small system.
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