BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar
I earn 5 coins for publishing October's Tailor Report. On 10/31/19 6:11 PM, nch via agora-official wrote: > Apologies if this formats weirdly, I didn't take the time to ensure my > formatting carefully before sending it, as to get this in this month. > > I award a gray ribbon to Baron von Vaderham, for apparently not having any > yet. > > TAILOR'S MONTHLY REPORT > > Date of this monthly report: 2019-09-10 > Date of last monthly report: 2019-07-31 If the date of the report quoted above would ratify: I CoE (wrong date), accept the CoE, and note the correct date is 2019-10-31.
Re: BUS: Proposal: The Carny
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, November 10, 2019 9:22 AM, Nch wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Sunday, November 10, 2019 9:16 AM, Nch via agora-business > agora-business@agoranomic.org wrote: > > > (I cut the Turnips out for now because I think they need to be more > > carefully considered to be balanced and interesting.) > > I submit the following proposal, stylized according to the Promotor > > style-guide draft (unless my client messes it up): > > Woops, there's old text in the final paragraph (says "chunkstring's name" > instead of "chunkstring's String set"). I withdraw that proposal and submit > the following proposal: > I withdraw this proposal. Will try to incorporate some feedback and resubmit this weekend.
Re: BUS: Proposal: The Carny
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Sunday, November 10, 2019 9:16 AM, Nch via agora-business
wrote:
> (I cut the Turnips out for now because I think they need to be more carefully
> considered to be balanced and interesting.)
>
> I submit the following proposal, stylized according to the Promotor
> style-guide draft (unless my client messes it up):
>
Woops, there's old text in the final paragraph (says "chunkstring's name"
instead of "chunkstring's String set"). I withdraw that proposal and submit the
following proposal:
Title: The Carny
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Nch
Co-authors: Falsifian, Jason Cobb
{
Enact a new P=1 rule titled The Carny with the following text:
The Carny is an office, and the recordkeepor of all assets and all switches
defined in this rule.
Chunkstrings are an asset. Each chunkstring has an ID, which is an integer 1
greater than the ID of the last chunkstring created, starting at 0. String is
a chunkstring switch, with possible values of sets of persons, defaulting to
the empty set. Whenever a chunkstring is created in someone's possession, or
transfered to someone, its String switch is flipped to its current value plus
the new owner (if not already in the set).
Chunkstring Cost is a switch with possible values of integers and a default
value of 100. Each week the Carny CAN and SHOULD set the Chunkstring Cost to
1/4th the number of current players (rounded up) by announcement.
Chunkstring Players is a switch with possible values of sets of players,
defaulting to the empty set. If there are nonplayers in the current value,
the current value is flipped to be the same set minus the nonplayers. Once a
week the Carny CAN and SHOULD set the value of Chunkstring Players by
announcement by:
* Adding a random player to the set, if the set's length is less than half
the number of current players (rounded up).
* Removing a random player from the set, if the set's length is more than
half the number of current players (rounded up).
* Removing a random player from the set, then adding a random player to the
set, if the set's length is exactly half the number of current players
(rounded up).
Any player CAN create a chunkstring in eir possession by announcement by
paying the Chunkstring Cost in coins. Any player CAN destroy any chunkstring
in eir possession by announcement, when e does so e earns an amount of coins
equal to the number of players whose name is both in the Chunkstrings' String
set and the Chunkstring Players set. Any attempt to do so without specifying
the names in both sets is INEFFECTIVE.
Make Nch The Carny.
Set Chunkstring Players to be the set of players that voted FOR, AGAINST, or
PRESENT on this proposal.
Set Chunkstring Cost to be 1/4th the current number of players (rounded up)
}
BUS: Proposal: The Carny
(I cut the Turnips out for now because I think they need to be more carefully
considered to be balanced and interesting.)
I submit the following proposal, stylized according to the Promotor style-guide
draft (unless my client messes it up):
Title: The Carny
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Nch
Co-authors: Falsifian, Jason Cobb
{
Enact a new P=1 rule titled "The Carny" with the following text:
The Carny is an office, and the recordkeepor of all assets and all switches
defined in this rule.
Chunkstrings are an asset. Each chunkstring has an ID, which is an integer 1
greater than the ID of the last chunkstring created, starting at 0. String is
a chunkstring switch, with possible values of sets of persons, defaulting to
the empty set. Whenever a chunkstring is created in someone's possession, or
transfered to someone, its String switch is flipped to its current value plus
the new owner (if not already in the set).
Chunkstring Cost is a switch with possible values of integers and a default
value of 100. Each week the Carny CAN and SHOULD set the Chunkstring Cost to
1/4th the number of current players (rounded up) by announcement.
Chunkstring Players is a switch with possible values of sets of players,
defaulting to the empty set. If there are nonplayers in the current value,
the current value is flipped to be the same set minus the nonplayers. Once a
week the Carny CAN and SHOULD set the value of Chunkstring Players by
announcement by:
* Adding a random player to the set, if the set's length is less than half
the number of current players (rounded up).
* Removing a random player from the set, if the set's length is more than
half the number of current players (rounded up).
* Removing a random player from the set, then adding a random player to the
set, if the set's length is exactly half the number of current players
(rounded up).
Any player CAN create a chunkstring in eir possession by announcement by
paying the Chunkstring Cost in coins. Any player CAN destroy any chunkstring
in eir possession by announcement, when e does so e earns an amount of coins
equal to the number of players whose name is both in the chunkstring's name
and the Chunkstring Players set. Any attempt to do so without specifying the
names in both sets is INEFFECTIVE.
Make Nch The Carny.
Set Chunkstring Players to be the set of players that voted FOR, AGAINST, or
PRESENT on this proposal.
Set Chunkstring Cost to be 1/4th the current number of players (rounded up)
}
BUS: (No Subject)
{
The Carny is an office, and the recordkeepor of all assets defined in this rule.
Turnips are an asset. Turnips are assigned a color based on the week they were
created, or 'harvested', in. Turnips created in the week this rule was enacted
in are Red. Weeks follow the order Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo,
Violet. Turnip Price is a switch, tracked by the Carny, with possible values of
integers 1-14 and a default value of 1. Once per week the Carny CAN and SHOULD
set the Turnip Price switch to a random possible value. Any player except the
Carny CAN, by paying the Turnip Price in coins, buy a Turnip. When a week
begins, all Turnips of the week's color are destroyed. Any player CAN destroy
any number of Turnips in eir possession by announcement, when e does so e CAN
earn the Turnip Price in coins for each one.
Chunkstrings are an asset. Once a week the Carny CAN and SHOULD create a
Chunkstring in the possession of a random player. Chunkstrings have a name,
which is the concatenate string of names of unique players that have owned the
chunkstring, in the order they owned em.
}
Turnips - vaguely animal crossing inspired. Essentially a speculative market
with an expiration date.
---
Nch
BUS: Proto: The Carny (Semi-frivolous ways to spend coins)
My client appears to have decided to send an old draft of the previous email,
so let's try again.
{
The Carny is an office, and the recordkeepor of all assets defined in this rule.
Turnips are an asset. Turnips are assigned a color based on the week they were
created ('harvested'), in. Turnips created in the week this rule was enacted in
are Red. Weeks follow the order Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo,
Violet. Turnip Price is a switch, tracked by the Carny, with possible values of
integers 1-14 and a default value of 1. Once per week the Carny CAN and SHOULD
set the Turnip Price switch to a random possible value. Any player except the
Carny CAN, by paying the Turnip Price in coins, harvest a Turnip. When a week
begins, all Turnips of the week's color are destroyed ('rot'). Any player CAN
destroy any number of Turnips in eir possession by announcement, when e does so
e CAN earn the Turnip Price in coins for each one.
Chunkstrings are an asset. Chunkstrings have a name, which is the concatenate
string of names of unique players that have owned the chunkstring, in the order
they owned em. Chunkstring Cost is a switch, tracked by the Carny, with
possible values of integers and a default value of 100. Each week the Carny CAN
and SHOULD set the Chunkstring Cost to 1/4th the number of current players
(rounded up). Chunkstring Players is a switch with possible values of sets of
players and null and a default value of null. Once a week the Carny CAN and
SHOULD set the value of Chunkstring Players by:
* Adding a random player to the set, if the set's length is less than half the
number of current players (rounded up).
* Removing a random player from the set, if the set's length is more than half
the number of current players (rounded up).
* Removing a random player from the set, then adding a random player to the
set, if the set's length is exactly half the number of current players (rounded
up).
Any player CAN create a chunkstring in eir possession by paying the Chunkstring
Cost in coins. Any player CAN destroy any chunkstring in eir possession by
announcement, when e does so e CAN earn an amount of coins equal to the number
of players whose name is both in the chunkstring's name and the Chunkstring
Players set. Any attempt to do so without specifying the names in both sets is
INEFFECTIVE.
}
---
Nch
BUS: Dezombified
I flip my master switch to myself. Having recently been a zombie owned by agora with resale value 1, I cause myself to receive a Welcome Package. I am interested in judging. --- Nch
BUS: [Proposal] The Webmastor
For context, see the thread "Dis: Protos: Two Small Offices":
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg49995.html
I submit the following proposal {
Title: The Webmastor
Author: nch
AI: 1.0
Enact a rule titled "The Webmastor" with Power=1 and the following text:
The Webmastor is an office.
The Webmastor's monthly report includes a Directory, a Changelog, a
Warning Log, and an Error Log. The Directory lists notable
currently maintained public resources. The Changelog lists notable
changes to resources. The Warning Log lists notable potential
issues, such as inaccurate or aging resources or unintended issues
with a public resource. The Error Log lists notable losses of
resources - where a resource has become inaccessible, unmaintained,
or unusable. Where 'notable' is used in this rule its meaning is up
to the Webmastor's discretion.
}
--
nch
Re: BUS: [Registrar] May zombie auction status
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:42:52 PM CDT James Cook via agora-business wrote: > This is an unofficial report on the ongoing zombie auction. All times UTC. > > The auction began 2020-05-07 at 00:52. It will end 2020-05017 at 00:52 > unless something unusual happens. I bid 55 coins on this auction. -- nch
BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] May Zombie Auction
On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 7:51:56 PM CDT James Cook via agora-official wrote: > I initiate a zombie auction, with the following lots (each zombie a > separate lot) ordered as follows (highest-bid first): > > 1. pikhq > 2. ATMunn > 3. Tcbapo > > Agora is the Auctioneer, and the Registrar is the Announcer. The > currency is Coins with a minimum bid of 1. > > - Falsifian I bid 1 coin on each of the above lots. -- nch
BUS: Notice of Honor
This is a notice of honor. +1 G (furnished ample research material) -1 D Margaux (rolled a d20, got a 9, chose 9th name on most recent Registrar's report) --- Nch
BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror][Weekly Report] Forbes 499
On Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:39:47 PM CDT Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: >- - >Coins Zombie >= = > 50 ATMunn > 75 nch > 65 pikhq If the label of 'zombie' in this report self-ratifies, I submit a CoE for that reason. If not, I note that Trigon might want to fix that anyway. -- nch
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8377-8387
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:13:10 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8377j R. Lee 2.0 Burden + Accurate Naming Present > 8378f R. Lee 2.0 Bug Fixing IAR Writ Against; When is "within two Agoran weeks of that week?" Does it start counting from the first day or the last day of the week? And why does this version take the responsibility away from the ADoP? > 8379p Murphy 1.0 Expand wins by paradox FOR > 8380p Muprhy 1.0 Justice for R. Lee Endorse Herald > 8381p Murphy 1.0 You Tried FOR > 8382f nch 1.0 The Webmastor FOR > 8383p Trigon 1.0 Agora plays table tennis Against; I like the concept of small silly games but this one seems really annoying. > 8384j P.S.S. 1.0 Bones of Criminals Present; Needs to be "attempt to take" right? > 8385e Jason1.0 Slaying the dragon Against; The Dragon Corporation isn't hurting anyone, I think. > 8386* G. 3.0 Restraining Motions For -- nch
Re: BUS: Re: Contract to win the game by circuitous means
On Thursday, May 7, 2020 8:11:21 AM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 5/7/20 3:32 AM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > > I call the following CFJ (I bar trigon) > > "It is a possible game action for a player to use the contract contained > > in > > this message to act on R. Lee's behalf to transfer a coin". > > I also call the following (unofficially linked) CFJ barring trigon. > > "If the statement in the first CFJ contained in this message is judged > > PARADOXICAL, and that judgement stands for seven days, R. Lee may win the > > game by announcement" > > Gratuitous: > > R. Lee emself admits that the first CFJ is basically identical to CFJ > 3828. I believe this means it is IRRELEVANT because the case "can be > trivially determined from the outcome of another [...] judicial case > that was not itself judged IRRELEVANT". > > -- > Jason Cobb Gratuitous: Some players have argued that the original CFJ is not about actions, this one unambiguously is. Since the game impact of the CFJ rulings would be different, I don't think it can be trivially determined, nor is it IRRELEVANT. Additionally, someone has now attempted to perform the described action and this CFJ is now directly relevant to gamestate. Another reason to not rule IRRELEVANT. -- nch
BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette
On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:44:41 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > INTERESTED JUDGES AND THEIR MOST RECENT CASE > --- I'm interested in judging. -- nch
BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'
By my math this eliminates 108 words from the rules, and more importantly
makes announcement default so it doesn't need to be included in new rules (and
therefore can't accidentally be left out). I think this needs some careful
vetting to make sure it doesn't break anything.
I submit the following proposal:
{
Title: No More 'By Announcement'
AI: 3.0
Author: nch
Amend Rule 478 "Fora" by replacing:
Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform "by
announcement", that person performs that action by unambiguously
and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
it. Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the
time date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages (including
sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the
message, unless otherwise specified.
with:
Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform, any attempt
to perform that action is EFFECTIVE if, and only if, e unambiguously and
clearly specifies the action in a public message and announces that e
performs it UNLESS the rule specifies the action can be performed
"without announcement". Otherwise, it is INEFFECTIVE.
Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the time
date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages (including
sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the message,
unless otherwise specified.
Amend Rules 2609 "Temporary CFJ Setup", 869 "How to Join and Leave Agora",
2595 "Performing a Dependent Action", 2350 "Proposals", 2607 "Proposal
Chambers", 2597 "Line-item Veto", 2141 "Role and Attributes of Rules", 107
"Initiating Agoran Decisions", 683 "Voting on Agoran Decisions", 208
"Resolving Agoran Decisions", 2168 "Extending the Voting Period", 1006
"Offices", 2154 "Election Procedure", 2143 "Official Reports and Duties", 2201
"Self-Ratification", 2555 "Blots", 2478 "Vigilante Justice", 2479 "Official
Justice", 2557 "Sentencing Guidelines", 991 "Calls for Judgement", 591
"Delivering Judgements", 911 "Motions and Moots", 2175 "Judicial Retraction
and Excess", 2492 "Recusal", 2246 "Submitting a CFJ to the Referee", 1742
"Contracts", 2577 "Asset Actions", 2579 "Fee-based Actions", 2496 "Rewards",
2499 "Welcome packages", 2585 "Birthday Gifts", 2549 "Auction Initiation",
2550 "Bidding", 2552 "Auction Termination", 2584 "Free Auctions", 2532
"Zombies", 2449 "Winning the Game", 2553 "Win by Paradox", 2438 "Ribbons",
2602 "Glitter", 2480 "Festivals", 103 "The Speaker", 2451 "Executive Orders",
2464 "Tournaments", and 2495 "The Birthday Tournament" by removing all
instances of ", by announcement,", "by announcement,", ", by announcement",
and "by announcement" in that order.
}
--
nch
BUS: Moot Solidarity
I support all current attempts to enter CFJ 3831 into a moot. I haven't really been following the arguments here but I think it's a good idea to do a moot just on principle that several people seem invested in doing so. The whole point of the judgment system is community closure. -- nch
Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More 'By Announcement'
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:55:03 AM CDT nch via agora-business wrote:
> By my math this eliminates 108 words from the rules, and more importantly
> makes announcement default so it doesn't need to be included in new rules
> (and therefore can't accidentally be left out). I think this needs some
> careful vetting to make sure it doesn't break anything.
>
> I submit the following proposal:
>
> {
> Title: No More 'By Announcement'
> AI: 3.0
> Author: nch
>
I withdraw this proposal. It needs to be AI=3.1, but I'll wait for feedback to
resubmit.
--
nch
Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:05:26 PM CDT nch via agora-business wrote:
> Title: Sets v1.0
> Author: nch
> Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason Cobb
> AI: 3
I withdraw Sets v1.0 and submit the following proposal.
{
Title: Sets v1.1
Author: nch
Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason
AI: 3
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Cards & Sets" with the text:
Cards are a type of asset with a corresponding Product. Products are
also assets. The types of Cards and their corresponding Products are:
* Victory Cards and Victory Points.
* Justice Cards and Blot-B-Gones
* Legislative Cards and Pendants
* Voting Cards and Extra Votes
A player CAN, by announcement, pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type
to create in eir possession Y corresponding Products. The value of X
determines the value of Y in the following ways:
* 1 Card = 1 Product
* 2 Cards = 3 Products
* 3 Cards = 6 Products
* 4 Cards = 10 Products
A player CANNOT pay more than 4 Cards as one 'set'.
Cards and Products are tracked by the Treasuror.
For each player that is not a zombie, create one of each type of card in eir
possession.
[The core of this proposal. Collect cards to make the other assets.
I've been considering whether to have the Treasuror track everything or make a
new role. I think there's pros and cons to both. I don't want to overtax the
Treasuror but I also don't want to split rule-defined assets across multiple
officers if it's not necessary.
Also I'm not happy with Victory Points or Extra Votes. Name suggestions for
those are welcome.]
Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins.
with:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and one of
each type of Card defined in the rules.
[Simple Welcome package addition]
Amend rule 2483 "Economics" by removing the following line:
A player CAN win the game by paying a fee of 1,000 Coins.
[Ultimately counter to an economy where we want constant trading and asset
movement.]
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Wins" with the following text:
If a player has at least 20 more Victory Points than any other player, e
can win by announcement. When a player wins this way, destroy all Cards
and their corresponding products. Then, for each non-zombie player
create
1 card of each type in eir possession.
[Exactly what it says on the tin.]
Amend rule 2555 "Blots" by replacing the following paragraph:
If a person (the penitent) has neither gained blots nor had more
than 2 blots expunged from emself in the current Agoran week, then
any player (the confessor) who has not, by this mechanism,
expunged any blots in the current Agoran week CAN expunge 1 blot
from the penitent, by announcement.
with:
Any player CAN, by announcement, expunge a blot from a specified person
(or emself if no one is specified) by paying a fee of one Blot-B-Gone.
[Pretty straightforward, now you need to use Blot-B-Gones to get rid of Blots
(except for the fugitive decay, I left that in).]
Amend rule 2350 "Proposals" by replacing:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed. The author (syn. proposer) of a
proposal is the person who submitted it.
with:
If a proposal was created in the last week and has not been added to the
proposal pool, any player CAN add it to the Proposal Pool by paying one
Pendant. When a player who is not the author or a co-author of a
proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool by this method, e is added to the
list of co-authors.
Once a proposal is created, neither its text nor any of the
aforementioned attributes can be changed, except by the mechanisms in
this rule. The author (syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who
submitted it.
The Promotor CAN, once a week and without objection, add a propsoal to
the Proposal Pool. E SHOULD NOT do so if the author of the proposal has
at least one Pendant or Legislative Card.
[Make Pendants do the pending thing. Making the pender a co-author ties into
lime ribbons/glitter. Add a safeguard to let the promotor pend proposals when
it's otherwise not possible.]
Amend rule 2422 "Voting Strength" by adding:
A player CAN, by announcement, pay 1 Extra Vote and specify a current
Agoran decision on which e is a voter. Eir voting strength on that
decision is 1 greater for each time e has done so. E CANNOT do so more
than 3 times on the same decision.
[This makes proxies pretty flexible actually, maybe too much? But I think it's
fun and can at most double your base pow
BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0
[Below is sets v1.0. If you read 0.9 and just want to know what's different,
look here: https://github.com/nichdel/AgoranProposal/compare/
60f39a824ff590d38877fbce92c673e94a282a60..d27528f29df072934f71764e593d03eea8411954]
I submit the following proposal
{
Title: Sets v1.0
Author: nch
Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason Cobb
AI: 3
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Cards & Sets" with the text:
Cards are a type of asset with a corresponding Product. Products are
also assets. The types of Cards and their corresponding Products are:
* Victory Cards and Victory Points.
* Justice Cards and Blot-B-Gones
* Legislative Cards and Pendants
* Voting Cards and Extra Votes
A player CAN, by announcement, pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type
to create in eir possession Y corresponding Products. The value of X
determines the value of Y in the following ways:
* 1 Card = 1 Product
* 2 Cards = 3 Products
* 3 Cards = 6 Products
* 4 Cards = 10 Products
A player CANNOT pay more than 4 Cards as one 'set'.
Cards and Products are tracked by the Treasuror.
For each player that is not a zombie, create one of each type of card in eir
possession.
[The core of this proposal. Collect cards to make the other assets.
I've been considering whether to have the Treasuror track everything or make a
new role. I think there's pros and cons to both. I don't want to overtax the
Treasuror but I also don't want to split rule-defined assets across multiple
officers if it's not necessary.
Also I'm not happy with Victory Points or Extra Votes. Name suggestions for
those are welcome.]
Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins.
with:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and one of
each type of Card defined in the rules.
[Simple Welcome package addition]
Amend rule 2483 "Economics" by removing the following line:
A player CAN win the game by paying a fee of 1,000 Coins.
[Ultimately counter to an economy where we want constant trading and asset
movement.]
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Wins" with the following text:
If a player has at least 20 more Victory Points than any other player, e
can win by announcement. When a player wins this way, destroy all Cards
and their corresponding products. Then, for each non-zombie player
create
1 card of each type in eir possession.
[Exactly what it says on the tin.]
Amend rule 2555 "Blots" by replacing the following paragraph:
If a person (the penitent) has neither gained blots nor had more
than 2 blots expunged from emself in the current Agoran week, then
any player (the confessor) who has not, by this mechanism,
expunged any blots in the current Agoran week CAN expunge 1 blot
from the penitent, by announcement.
with:
Any player CAN, by announcement, expunge a blot from a specified person
(or emself if no one is specified) by paying a fee of one Blot-B-Gone.
[Pretty straightforward, now you need to use Blot-B-Gones to get rid of Blots
(except for the fugitive decay, I left that in).]
Amend rule 2350 "Proposals" by replacing:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool.
with:
If a proposal was created in the last week and has not been added to the
proposal pool, any player CAN add it to the Proposal Pool by paying one
Pendant. When a player who is not the author or a co-author of a
proposal
adds it to the Proposal Pool by this method, e is added to the list of
co-authors.
The Promotor CAN, once a week and without objection, add a propsoal to
the Proposal Pool. E SHOULD NOT do so if the author of the proposal has
at least one Pendant or Legislative Card.
[Make Pendants do the pending thing. Making the pender a co-author ties into
lime ribbons/glitter. Add a safeguard to let the promotor pend proposals when
it's otherwise not possible.]
Amend rule 2422 "Voting Strength" by adding:
A player CAN, by announcement, pay 1 Extra Vote and specify a current
Agoran decision on which e is a voter. Eir voting strength on that
decision is 1 greater for each time e has done so. E CANNOT do so more
than 3 times on the same decision.
[This makes proxies pretty flexible actually, maybe too much? But I think it's
fun and can at most double your base power.]
Amend rule 2476 Ownership by removing:
Assets owned by the Lost and Found Department can be transferred or
destroyed by any player without objection.
Create a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Auctions" with the following text:
Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The
auction
has the following lots:
* one Victory Card, created in the possession of Agora when the auction
is initiated AND
* all
BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3831 enters the mootiest moot ever
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:54:22 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > I love that this whole argument is moot: > > - The practical issue has self-ratified since the judgement, so is moot. > > - The arguments are so specific to a certain sort of ambiguity that > there's likely no applicable precedent, so are moot. > > - The judge, who would remain the judge upon remand, is no even longer a > player, so eir opinion is moot. > > - Conclusion: Moot is a lovely word: moot, moot, moot, moot, moot. > > > I hereby initiate an Agoran Decision to determine public confidence in CFJ > 3831's current judgement of FALSE, delivered by Alexis on 26 Apr 2020 > (that is, a Moot). > > Case at: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3831, also > included in full below. > > For this decision: > vote collector: Arbitor > quorum: 5 > voting method: first-past-the-post > valid options: AFFIRM, REMAND, and REMIT (PRESENT is also a valid vote, > as are conditional votes). > > > [Editorial: It's very likely that REMAND will just delay the case until > Alexis can be recused a week later.] > > Have fun mooting! I vote endorse G. -- nch
Re: BUS: hi
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:24:36 PM CDT grok \(caleb vines\) via agora- business wrote: > I register > > > -grok I cause grok to receive one welcome package. -- nch
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:33:12 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > > The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order > > > the lots > > > as e chooses. The minimum bid for this auction is 1 coin. > > > > I'm afraid this part *is* broken though. I'm sure Trigon isn't cool with > > being the auctioneer (e may be cool at being the announcer though!) :) > > I think it might be a good idea to pull this proposal for a week and > let people keep pointing out errors and proposing tweaks. I get not > wanting to let it get bogged down indefinitely, but I think people are > catching enough stuff still that waiting and letting them do their > work is a better idea than rushing. This is, after all, our next major > economic system, and it isn't exactly one of those simple one rule > ones that you can be almost certain has no errors (as illustrated by > the fact that people keep finding them). I do support the system; I'd > just prefer that there were more time to debug it before enacting it. > > -Aris Probably prudent. My rush was for 2 reasons: 1) I'm busy tonight and tomorrow and I assumed distribution was coming in the next couple days. 2) I don't want to get bogged down in design-choice debates. That is, I think what's written now is good enough to pass and tweak, once its bugfixed. I'm afraid of spending a while on debates like "should zombies be allowed to bid in auctions" or "how many of each card each month is enough" because we could have a million of those debates without ever playing and we'll all have better informed opinions on those things once we've been playing. Regretfully, I withdraw Sets v1.2 Please keep finding things that are broken and recommending fixes! -- nch
Re: BUS: [Contest: Rule Golf] Re: Agora willing
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:26:33 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > Dunno if this will be any fun but figured I'd try. > > WILL: The person CAN perform the described action by > announcement once after the specified conditions occur, and > SHALL do so in a timely fashion after the specified conditions > occur. > > Pledge (Rule Golf): I'll give 20 coins to whomever in the next 4 days > posts the shortest version (in non-whitespace charaters) of a Rules text > that clearly captures the above definition (me to decide if concept is > captured, discussion encouraged). Ties go to earlier poster. Pledge ends > when I do so. WILL: The person, once by announcement, CAN and SHALL perform the described action in a timely fashion after the specified conditions occur. -- nch
BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2
This update is mostly based on Aris' comments. I also changed some spots to
use "earn" and "grant". I'm confident that the core mechanics of this version
are sound now, and anything that's not quite right can be fixed by later
proposals. So I'm declaring this the final version unless someone finds a
serious, game damaging, issue. Thanks for all the feedback everyone!
I submit the following proposal:
{
Title: Sets v1.2
Author: nch
Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason, Aris
AI: 3
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Cards & Sets" with the text:
Cards are a type of asset with a corresponding Product. Products are
also assets. The types of Cards and their corresponding Products are:
* Victory Cards and Victory Points.
* Justice Cards and Blot-B-Gones
* Legislative Cards and Pendants
* Voting Cards and Extra Votes
A player CAN pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type to earn Y
corresponding Products. The value of X determines the value of Y in the
following ways:
* 1 Card = 1 Product
* 2 Cards = 3 Products
* 3 Cards = 6 Products
* 4 Cards = 10 Products
A player CANNOT pay more than 4 Cards as one 'set'.
Cards and Products are tracked by the Treasuror.
For each player that is not a zombie, grant em 1 card of each type.
[The core of this proposal. Collect cards to make the other assets.]
Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins.
with:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and one of
each type of Card defined in the rules.
[Simple Welcome package addition]
Amend rule 2483 "Economics" by removing the following line:
A player CAN win the game by paying a fee of 1,000 Coins.
[Ultimately counter to an economy where we want constant trading and asset
movement.]
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Wins" with the following text:
If a player has at least 20 more Victory Points than any other player, e
CAN win by announcement. When a player wins this way, destroy all Cards
and their corresponding products. Then, for each non-zombie player,
grant em 1 card of each type.
[Exactly what it says on the tin.]
Amend rule 2555 "Blots" by replacing the following paragraph:
If a person (the penitent) has neither gained blots nor had more
than 2 blots expunged from emself in the current Agoran week, then
any player (the confessor) who has not, by this mechanism,
expunged any blots in the current Agoran week CAN expunge 1 blot
from the penitent, by announcement.
with:
Any player CAN, by announcement, expunge a blot from a specified person
(or emself if no one is specified) by paying a fee of one Blot-B-Gone.
[Pretty straightforward, now you need to use Blot-B-Gones to get rid of Blots
(except for the fugitive decay, I left that in).]
Amend rule 2350 "Proposals" by replacing:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed. The author (syn. proposer) of a
proposal is the person who submitted it.
with:
If a proposal was created in the last week and has not been added to the
proposal pool, any player CAN add it to the Proposal Pool by paying one
Pendant. When a player who is not the author or a co-author of a
proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool by this method, e is added to the
list of co-authors.
Once a proposal is created, neither its text nor any of the
aforementioned attributes can be changed, except by the mechanisms in
this rule. The author (syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who
submitted it.
The Promotor CAN, once a week and with 2 support, add a proposal to the
Proposal Pool. E SHOULD NOT do so if the author of the proposal has at
least one Pendant or Legislative Card.
[Make Pendants do the pending thing. Making the pender a co-author ties into
lime ribbons/glitter. Add a safeguard to let the promotor pend proposals when
it's otherwise not possible.]
Amend rule 2422 "Voting Strength" by adding:
A player can Buy Strength by paying 1 Extra Vote and specifing a current
Agoran decision on which e is a voter. For each time a player has Bought
Strength on a decision, eir voting strength is 1 greater on that
decision. A player CANNOT Buy Strength for the same decision more than 3
times.
[This makes proxies pretty flexible actually, maybe too much? But I think it's
fun and can at most double your base power.]
Create a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Auctions" with the following text:
Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The
auction has the following lots:
* one Victory Card, created in the possession of Agora when the auction
Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0
I withdraw Sets v1.1. -- nch
BUS: Expunging
I expunge one blot from myself. -- nch
Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3
On Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:50:27 PM CDT you wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:42 PM nch via agora-business > > wrote: > > Ok, here's 1.3. > > > > I cut out auctions completely because there are two proposals right now to > > fix them and I'd rather that dust settled first. I have a separate > > proposal, based on Trigon's transmutation idea, coming later tonight. > > That both adds a way to get Victory Points and helps us balance any card > > types that might end up scarce. > > > > I also reworked pending, based on G's comments. Now proposals go straight > > into the pool like they always did. There's a separate rule that adds a > > Pend switch for them, and distribution requires proposals to have > > Pend=True. The net effect is less direct changes to important rules, and > > honestly a more intuitive system. > > *groans* > > Back to non-empty proposal pool reports I see. *sigh* > > I may propose changing this at some point so that I only have to > report pending proposals, but that's the sort of thing that can be > dealt with later. > > -Aris Sorry Aris. On the plus side PSS did just point out a good tiny adjustment. I withdraw Sets v1.3 and pledge not to submit any proposals until after the next distribution. -- nch
BUS: [Notice of Honour]
This is a Notice of Honour: +1 Aris (doing a hard job that I made harder) -1 nch (obliviousness) -- nch
BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.3
Ok, here's 1.3.
I cut out auctions completely because there are two proposals right now to fix
them and I'd rather that dust settled first. I have a separate proposal, based
on Trigon's transmutation idea, coming later tonight. That both adds a way to
get Victory Points and helps us balance any card types that might end up
scarce.
I also reworked pending, based on G's comments. Now proposals go straight into
the pool like they always did. There's a separate rule that adds a Pend switch
for them, and distribution requires proposals to have Pend=True. The net effect
is less direct changes to important rules, and honestly a more intuitive
system.
The other changes are mostly tiny. As before you can see the difference between
this and 1.2 on github ( https://github.com/nichdel/AgoranProposal/compare/
ce8b1458178fa420b0b94564791288aac6889fdb...c6d7f79ce39a88d97e491f62204e3ee2e6ac649c
)
I submit the following proposal:
{
Title: Sets v1.3
Author: nch
Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason, Aris, G.,
AI: 3
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Cards & Sets" with the text:
Cards are a type of currency with a corresponding Product. Products are
also currencies. The types of Cards and their corresponding Products
are:
* Victory Cards and Victory Points.
* Justice Cards and Blot-B-Gones
* Legislative Cards and Pendants
* Voting Cards and Extra Votes
A player CAN pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type to earn Y
corresponding Products. The value of X determines the value of Y in the
following ways:
* 1 Card = 1 Product
* 2 Cards = 3 Products
* 3 Cards = 6 Products
* 4 Cards = 10 Products
A player CANNOT pay more than 4 Cards as one 'set'.
Cards and Products are tracked by the Treasuror.
For each player that is not a zombie, grant em 1 card of each type.
[The core of this proposal. Collect cards to make the other assets.]
Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins.
with:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and one of
each type of Card defined in the rules.
[Simple Welcome package addition]
Amend rule 2483 "Economics" by removing the following line:
A player CAN win the game by paying a fee of 1,000 Coins.
[Ultimately counter to an economy where we want constant trading and asset
movement.]
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Wins" with the following text:
If a player has at least 20 more Victory Points than any other player, e
CAN win by announcement. When a player wins this way, all Cards and all
Products are destroyed. Then each non-zombie player is granted 1 card of
each type.
[Exactly what it says on the tin.]
Amend rule 2555 "Blots" by replacing the following paragraph:
If a person (the penitent) has neither gained blots nor had more
than 2 blots expunged from emself in the current Agoran week, then
any player (the confessor) who has not, by this mechanism,
expunged any blots in the current Agoran week CAN expunge 1 blot
from the penitent, by announcement.
with:
Any player CAN expunge a blot from a specified person (or emself if no
one is specified) by paying a fee of one Blot-B-Gone.
[Pretty straightforward, now you need to use Blot-B-Gones to get rid of Blots
(except for the fugitive decay, I left that in).]
Amend rule 2350 "Proposals" by replacing:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed. The author (syn. proposer) of a
proposal is the person who submitted it.
with:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed except as described in the rules. The author
(syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who submitted it.
[I moved all the pending stuff out of here, but still modified the language
to allow the co-author mechanic.]
Create a new Power=1 rule titled "Pending Proposals" with the following text:
Pended is a proposal switch tracked by the Promotor with possible values
True or False and default value False. Any player CAN pay 1 Pendant to
flip the Pended switch of a specified proposal to True. If the player did
not create the proposal and is not listed in the list of co-authors of
the proposal, e is added to the list of co-authors.
The Promotor CAN, once a week and with 2 support, flip the Pended switch
of a proposal in the Proposal Pool to True. E SHOULD NOT do so if the
author of the proposal has at least one Pendant or Legislative Card.
A proposal with a Pended switch set to True is 'pending'.
[Basically pending is a separate mechanic from the Pool, so
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8388-8404
On Monday, May 25, 2020 5:01:05 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8388f nch 1.0 The Webmastor FOR > 8389f G. 2.0 Just Impeach instead FOR > 8390* R. Lee 3.0 Registror PRESENT > 8391* R. Lee 3.0 Notory (Vote Labour) PRESENT > 8392j Jason2.0 Prior violations ENDORSE Referee > 8393f Aris 2.0 Elections Aren't Over Till They End FOR > 8394f Jason2.0 8228 retry FOR > 8395l Jason1.1 Editorial what? FOR > 8396e grok, G. 1.0 Auction End Clarification FOR > 8397l P.S.S. 2.0 Referral PRESENT > 8398* Murphy, nch, G. 3.0 More conservative implicit > announcements PRESENT; This solution works, it's just not my favorite one. > 8399j R. Lee 1.0 E had two months! FOR > 8400l R. Lee 1.0 Clinton v City of New York FOR > 8401j Aris, P.S.S. 1.0 Defense Against the Dark Arts FOR. "Contemplating Forbidden Arts" is a hilarious crime. > 8402* Aris, Falsifian 3.0 Promises PRESENT; I wonder if we can do something that better utilizes contracts and maybe talismans to enable this behavior without making an entirely separate system. > 8403* Trigon 4.0 1698 shortening AGAINST; others have argued that the separation is necessary, which might be true. More importantly I'm not going to vote FOR a change to anti-ossification rules without being pretty certain they're necessary. > 8404j P.S.S., [1] 1.7 High Crimes and Treason AGAINST; worried about the amount of paperwork this can spawn. -- nch
BUS: Sets v1.3.1
This has only three tiny changes from v1.3.1:
* Included a safeguard PSS suggested to flip all proposals in the pool to
Pended. Just in case.
* Reworded the Pended switch to be a negative boolean. It's exactly the same
in effect, just less wordy.
* Reformatted the entire proposal to wrap at 72, which is what I think the SLR
does. Hopefully this makes it a little easier for the Rulekeepor if it passes.
I'll do this for my other proposals in the future.
I submit the following proposal.
{
Title: Sets v1.3.1
Author: nch
Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason, Aris, G.,
AI: 3
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Cards & Sets" with the text:
Cards are a type of currency with a corresponding Product.
Products are also currencies. The types of Cards and their
corresponding Products are:
* Victory Cards and Victory Points.
* Justice Cards and Blot-B-Gones
* Legislative Cards and Pendants
* Voting Cards and Extra Votes
A player CAN pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type to earn Y
corresponding Products. The value of X determines the value of Y
in the following ways:
* 1 Card = 1 Product
* 2 Cards = 3 Products
* 3 Cards = 6 Products
* 4 Cards = 10 Products
A player CANNOT pay more than 4 Cards as one 'set'.
Cards and Products are tracked by the Treasuror.
For each player that is not a zombie, grant em 1 card of each type.
[The core of this proposal. Collect cards to make the other assets.]
Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins.
with:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and
one of each type of Card defined in the rules.
[Simple Welcome package addition]
Amend rule 2483 "Economics" by removing the following line:
A player CAN win the game by paying a fee of 1,000 Coins.
[Ultimately counter to an economy where we want constant trading and
asset movement.]
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Wins" with the following text:
If a player has at least 20 more Victory Points than any other
player, e CAN win by announcement. When a player wins this way,
all Cards and all Products are destroyed. Then each non-zombie
player is granted 1 card of each type.
[Exactly what it says on the tin.]
Amend rule 2555 "Blots" by replacing the following paragraph:
If a person (the penitent) has neither gained blots nor had more
than 2 blots expunged from emself in the current Agoran week, then
any player (the confessor) who has not, by this mechanism,
expunged any blots in the current Agoran week CAN expunge 1 blot
from the penitent, by announcement.
with:
Any player CAN expunge a blot from a specified person (or emself
if no one is specified) by paying a fee of one Blot-B-Gone.
[Pretty straightforward, now you need to use Blot-B-Gones to get rid of
Blots (except for the fugitive decay, I left that in).]
Amend rule 2350 "Proposals" by replacing:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed. The author (syn. proposer) of a
proposal is the person who submitted it.
with:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed except as described in the rules. The
author (syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who submitted
it.
[I moved all the pending stuff out of here, but still modified the
language to allow the co-author mechanic.]
Create a new Power=1 rule titled "Pending Proposals" with the following
text:
Pended is a negative boolean proposal switch tracked by the
Promotor. Any player CAN pay 1 Pendant to flip the Pended switch
of a specified proposal to True. If the player did not create the
proposal and is not listed in the list of co-authors of the
proposal, e is added to the list of co-authors.
The Promotor CAN, once a week and with 2 support, flip the Pended
switch of a proposal in the Proposal Pool to True. E SHOULD NOT do
so if the author of the proposal has at least one Pendant or
Legislative Card.
A proposal with a Pended switch set to True is 'pending'.
[Basically pending is a separate mechanic from the Pool, so that it
interferes with long standing rules about the pool much less.]
Amend 1607 Distribution by replacing:
The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal
Pool at any time.
In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL distribute each
proposal that was in the Proposal Pool at the beginning of that
week, except for those excepted from automatic distribution by
other rules, or those that are otherwise
[Pledge] Re: BUS: Proposal Bribery
On Monday, May 25, 2020 10:08:54 PM CDT Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I create the following proposal (we need these sometimes, 4fun) > > Title: Voltaire, Lottery Scammer > AI: 1 > Text: > Create a power 1 rule named "Bribery Rewards" with the text "Any player who > unconditionally voted FOR the proposal named "Voltaire, Lottery Scammer" > qualifies for a black ribbon" > R. Lee wins the game, then another randomly selected player who > unconditionally voted FOR this proposal wins the game. This random > selection is to be administered by the first voter who unconditionally > voted FOR this proposal. It must look random. [non-binding comment: this > ensures that a voter other than me gets the speakership) > -- > From R. Lee I pledge to vote AGAINST the proposal "Voltaire, Lottery Scammer" when and if it is distributed. -- nch
BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Agoran Directory (revised)
On Monday, May 18, 2020 3:44:47 PM CDT James Cook via agora-official wrote: > On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 02:50, Jason Cobb via agora-business > > wrote: > > On 5/16/20 10:48 PM, James Cook via agora-official wrote: > > > pikhq Agora 02020-05-14 22:28 2020-08-12 22:28 > > > > CoE: I believe pikhq's master is G. > > Oops, that's embarrassing. Thanks. > > I respond to the above CoE by publishing the below revised report. (For clarity the quote above is from the Agoran Directory published on 5/18, not the one published today.) CoE: pikhq's master switch is Agora. (This will ratify tomorrow and make the Directory published today false if this is not CoE'd, I think.) -- nch
BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.4
Changes: Incorporated ais523's suggestions. Text and AI of a proposal are
explicitly protected from changes now, and used eir suggested "CAN... SHALL
NOT" phrasing for distributing proposals.
I submit the following proposal:
{
Title: Sets v1.4
Author: nch
Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason, Aris, G., ais523
AI: 3
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Cards & Sets" with the text:
Cards are a type of currency with a corresponding Product.
Products are also currencies. The types of Cards and their
corresponding Products are:
* Victory Cards and Victory Points.
* Justice Cards and Blot-B-Gones
* Legislative Cards and Pendants
* Voting Cards and Extra Votes
A player CAN pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type to earn Y
corresponding Products. The value of X determines the value of Y
in the following ways:
* 1 Card = 1 Product
* 2 Cards = 3 Products
* 3 Cards = 6 Products
* 4 Cards = 10 Products
A player CANNOT pay more than 4 Cards as one 'set'.
Cards and Products are tracked by the Treasuror.
For each player that is not a zombie, grant em 1 card of each type.
[The core of this proposal. Collect cards to make the other assets.]
Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins.
with:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and
one of each type of Card defined in the rules.
[Simple Welcome package addition]
Amend rule 2483 "Economics" by removing the following line:
A player CAN win the game by paying a fee of 1,000 Coins.
[Ultimately counter to an economy where we want constant trading and
asset movement.]
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Wins" with the following text:
If a player has at least 20 more Victory Points than any other
player, e CAN win by announcement. When a player wins this way,
all Cards and all Products are destroyed. Then each non-zombie
player is granted 1 card of each type.
[Exactly what it says on the tin.]
Amend rule 2555 "Blots" by replacing the following paragraph:
If a person (the penitent) has neither gained blots nor had more
than 2 blots expunged from emself in the current Agoran week, then
any player (the confessor) who has not, by this mechanism,
expunged any blots in the current Agoran week CAN expunge 1 blot
from the penitent, by announcement.
with:
Any player CAN expunge a blot from a specified person (or emself
if no one is specified) by paying a fee of one Blot-B-Gone.
[Pretty straightforward, now you need to use Blot-B-Gones to get rid of
Blots (except for the fugitive decay, I left that in).]
Amend rule 2350 "Proposals" by replacing:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed. The author (syn. proposer) of a
proposal is the person who submitted it.
with:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, its text, author, and AI cannot be changed. The author
(syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who submitted it.
[I moved all the pending stuff out of here, but still modified the
language to allow the co-author mechanic.]
Create a new Power=1 rule titled "Pending Proposals" with the following
text:
Pended is a negative boolean proposal switch tracked by the
Promotor. Any player CAN pay 1 Pendant to flip the Pended switch
of a specified proposal to True. If the player did not create the
proposal and is not listed in the list of co-authors of the
proposal, e is added to the list of co-authors.
The Promotor CAN, once a week and with 2 support, flip the Pended
switch of a proposal in the Proposal Pool to True. E SHOULD NOT do
so if the author of the proposal has at least one Pendant or
Legislative Card.
A proposal with a Pended switch set to True is 'pending'.
[Basically pending is a separate mechanic from the Pool, so that it
interferes with long standing rules about the pool much less.]
Amend 1607 Distribution by replacing:
The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal
Pool at any time.
In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL distribute each
proposal that was in the Proposal Pool at the beginning of that
week, except for those excepted from automatic distribution by
other rules, or those that are otherwise removed from the Pool.
with:
The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal
Pool at any time, but SHALL NOT do so unless it is pending.
In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL distribute each
pending proposal that was in the Proposal Pool at the beginning
of that week,
Re: BUS: Sets v1.3.1
On Monday, May 25, 2020 8:14:13 PM CDT nch via agora-business wrote:
> This has only three tiny changes from v1.3.1:
>
> * Included a safeguard PSS suggested to flip all proposals in the pool to
> Pended. Just in case.
>
> * Reworded the Pended switch to be a negative boolean. It's exactly the same
> in effect, just less wordy.
>
> * Reformatted the entire proposal to wrap at 72, which is what I think the
> SLR does. Hopefully this makes it a little easier for the Rulekeepor if it
> passes. I'll do this for my other proposals in the future.
>
> I submit the following proposal.
> {
>
> Title: Sets v1.3.1
> Author: nch
> Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason, Aris, G.,
> AI: 3
I withdraw Sets v1.3.1.
--
nch
BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok
On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:06:51 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > The below CFJ is 3837. I assign it to grok. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3837 > > === CFJ 3837 === > > Falsifian owns at least one blot if and only if English Wikipedia > has an article titled "Sponge". > > == Gratuitous: This CFJ should be found FALSE because the rules do not define a biconditional relationship between these facts, regardless of whether either individual fact is TRUE or FALSE. -- nch
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok
On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:30:56 PM CDT grok via agora-business wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 2:29 PM nch via agora-business < > > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:06:51 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-official > > > > wrote: > > > The below CFJ is 3837. I assign it to grok. > > > > > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3837 > > > > > > === CFJ 3837 > > > > === > > > > > Falsifian owns at least one blot if and only if English Wikipedia > > > has an article titled "Sponge". > > > > == > > > > Gratuitous: This CFJ should be found FALSE because the rules do not define > > a > > biconditional relationship between these facts, regardless of whether > > either > > individual fact is TRUE or FALSE. > > > > -- > > nch > > I transfer 1 shiny to nch. CFJ: Grok transferred one coin to me in the above quoted message. Arguments: Shinies aren't an asset currently defined by rules or contracts. But they served a similar purpose to coins in recent history. Additionally, I don't see any other asset or action this could reasonably be interpreted as. Thus, I think it's reasonable to interpret 'shiny' as a synonym for 'coins'. -- nch
BUS: Re: [@ADoP] Name and Address Change
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, July 18, 2020 2:08 PM, nix wrote: > As mentioned before (and I will once again confirm it in a reply to this > email) I'm switching to this email. I'd also like to use the name "nix" > instead of "nch". I can't remember if the rules allow multiple emails; > if they do I'd like to keep nchagora just in case. > > --- > > nix > Prime Minister, Webmastor, Platonic Pirate Confirmed to be me.
Re: BUS: [ATTENTION PIRATES: IMPORTANT]: Recordkeeping Parley
On 6/29/20 8:10 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> On 6/29/20 1:59 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
>> On 6/29/20 1:52 PM, Becca Lee via agora-business wrote:
>>> I propose this following Parley (reminder, Parleys need 2/3s to pass and
>>> there are 9 pirates, Cuddlebeam, nch, R. Lee, P.S.S., Bögtil, Jason,
>>> Falsifian, Aris and ATMunn. So we need 6 of those).
>>>
>>> {Insert a new heading to the end of the Pirate Partnership Contract named
>>> "Recordkeeping" and below that heading add the text "R. Lee is the
>>> recordkeepor of doubloons. Any doubloons that existed before the addition
>>> of this section are hereby destroyed}
>>>
>> I consent.
>>
> Just to be safe, I perform the following action for each Doubloon in my
> possession:
>
> {
>
> I transfer 1 coin from the Plunder Partnership to myself, thus
> destroying a Doubloon.
>
> }
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
>
For every doubloon I own, I pay it to transfer 1 coin from the Plunder
Partnership to myself.
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I, nch, cast a**ballot (syn. vote) which I believe to be valid on each of the following proposals wherein the vote directly below the quote with the proposal number is the vote on that proposal. On 6/30/20 1:54 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR > 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock PRESENT > 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals PRESENT > 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods FOR > 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons PRESENT > 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! PRESENT > 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense FOR > 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option FOR > 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch PRESENT > 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch FOR > 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR > 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals FOR > 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! PRESENT > 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Notice of Honour
On 6/30/20 9:41 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/30/20 8:51 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> This is a notice of honour. >> >> -1 Jason for attempting to resolve the fix proposal too early, opening a >> scam opportunity >> >> +1 nch for not taking advantage of that opportunity >> >> -- >> Jason Cobb >> > This is a notice of honour. > > +1 Jason for trying eir best to counterscam and being a fun opponent > > -1 nch for undeserved honour from Jason > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > TTttPF -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: [Co Dependents] Amending
I intend to amend, and consent to amend, Co Dependents by adding "R. Lee CAN and MAY act on nch's behalf for anything except consenting to amendment of this or any other contract." -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: Officer Card
As Prime Minister, I give R. Lee one legislative card for my monthly officer card. --- Nch
BUS: Ribbon Grabbing
I qualify for a lime ribbon for being a co-author on proposals 8459, 8468, and 8469. I award myself a lime ribbon. --- Nch
BUS: [NAX] Weekly Report
This is the NAX Weekly Report
{
Outstanding Orders
-
Order 3
- Creater: nch
- Goods: 10 coins
- Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer a Pendant to NAX."
Order 4
- Creater: nch
- Goods: 10 coins
- Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer a Pendant to NAX."
Order History
Order 0
- Creater: nch
- Goods: 10 coins
- Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer any card to NAX."
- Fulfiller: PSS
Order 2
- Creater: nch
- Goods: 30 coins
- Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer any card to NAX."
- Fulfiller: Jason
Order 1
- Creater: nch
- Goods: 20 coins
- Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer any card to NAX."
- Fulfiller: ATMunn
}
The Purse of NAX is 3. I transfer 3 coins from NAX to myself, making
the Purse 0.
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: [NAX] [@Treasuror] Shutting down for now
The NAX needs some reworks to be easier to use. I'm not entirely sure when I will get to that so I'm going to close the exchange and submit a new version later. I intend to, with the consent of the members of the NAX to destroy it. The current members according to the most recent notes are: nch, PSS, ATMunn, and Jason. I can't annul the two orders so I'm just gonna fulfill my own orders as follows: I pay 2 coins to the NAX. The purse is now 2. I transfer 1 pendant to NAX to fulfill order 3. As Exchange Manager I rule this successful and transfer 1 pendant and 10 coins from NAX to me. I transfer 1 pendant to NAX to fulfill order 4. As Exchange Manager I rule this successful and transfer 1 pendant and 10 coins from NAX to me. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Monday, July 13, 2020 5:07 PM, Nch via agora-discussion
wrote:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 5:02 PM, ATMunn via agora-business
> agora-business@agoranomic.org wrote:
>
> > I propose the following amendment to The Platonic Parrot:
> > {
> > Replace the following text:
> > "This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of
> > 2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates."
> > with the following:
> > "Any Platonic Pirate may propose an amendment to this contract by
> > announcement. If at least 2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates
> > have consented to the amendment, and at least 2 days have passed since
> > the amendment was proposed, any Platonic Pirate can cause this contract
> > to be amended in this way by announcement."
> > }
>
> I consent to the above amendment.
TTttPF
BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears
I consent to the following contract:
{
The Platonic Parrot
A party to this contract is also known as a Platonic Pirate. Any player
who is not currently Marked can join this contract by announcement. Any
player can leave this contract by announcement. When someone is
deregistered, e automatically leaves the contract.
If a Platonic Pirate objects to an intent to transfer assets to this
contract, e ceases to be a party to the contract. If a player has
objected to an intent to transfer assets to this contract in the last 7
days, e is Marked.
When the Platonic Parrot has assets, any Platonic Pirate CAN by
announcement divy them in the following way:
* Where X is the total number of coins owned by the Platonic Parrot and
Y is the number of Platonic Pirates, e transfers each Platonic Pirate
X/Y (rounded down) coins from the Platonic Parrot.
* If there are still coins owned by the Platonic Parrot, e transfer
emself all the remaining coins.
* If there are any other assets owned by the Platonic Parrot, e
transfers emself one of them of eir own choice.
* If there are still assets owned by the Platonic Parrot, e transfers
them to other Platonic Pirates such that no Platonic Pirate receives
more than 1 more asset than any other Platonic Pirate (excluding the
coins e gave emself in the earlier step). As long as this constraint
is met, e may choose who gets what assets.
This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of
2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates.
}
---
Nch
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:23 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > I leave the Pirate Plundership. This wasn't to the public fora. I also almost forgot my doubloons. I transfer 12 coins to myself from the Plunder Partnership, destroying my 12 doubloons. Then I leave the Plunder Partnership.
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
On 7/6/20 7:01 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 7/6/20 7:56 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: >> I, Trigon, the Treasuror of Agora Nomic, hereby initiate an auction. >> >> Whereas the Lost and Found Department owns no cards or products, the >> lots of this auction are as follows: (1) a new Victory Card. > I do hereby bid the entirety of one coin of this Nomic for the purpose > of gaining the sole lot of this auction. Oh! So it's to be this type of challenge, is it? Well it might be a bit bold but I think it worth trying: I bid 2 coins on this auction. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
[@Notary] Re: BUS: [NAX] [@Treasuror] Shutting down for now
On 7/6/20 1:49 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > The NAX needs some reworks to be easier to use. I'm not entirely sure > when I will get to that so I'm going to close the exchange and submit a > new version later. I intend to, with the consent of the members of the > NAX to destroy it. The current members according to the most recent > notes are: nch, PSS, ATMunn, and Jason. I also consent and with the consent of all members, destroy the NAX. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor
Re: BUS: DracoLotto [Card Transfer]
On 6/17/20 12:49 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:21 PM Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:44 AM James Cook via agora-business >> wrote: >>> I transfer one Legislative Card to DracoLotto. >> I'll probably close the pools tomorrow (so, at least ~12 hours from >> now). If anyone wants to get in or up their contribution, now would be >> a good time to do it. > > I intend, with 1 hour notice, to close the pools. > > -Aris I transfer 1 voting card to Dracolotto. -- nch Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager, Pirate
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8458
On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8458e Aris 1.0 Welcome Package Patch CoE (if one applies here). The chamber of this proposal was not set by announcement. It's an ordinary proposal, not economic. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: Perfectly Normal Gameplay Nothing to See Move Along.
I perform the following action 36 times: I intend, with 7 days notice, to deregister R. Lee. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: Vote on P8442
On 6/22/20 8:44 PM, Unspecified Behavior via agora-business wrote: > I do not register, as I am already a player. > > I withdraw any vote I may or may not have cast on Proposal 8442. I vote FOR > on Proposal 8442. I strongly disfavor any CFJs that relate to this. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: Petty corruption
On 6/22/20 9:59 PM, omd via agora-business wrote:
> I grant myself this promise, then transfer it to the Library:
> {
> This promise can only be cashed if, earlier in the same message, the
> bearer either granted me a Card of any type using the mechanism in
> Rule 2624, or transferred a Card of any type from emself to me.
> I grant the bearer a Voting Card.
> }
I take the above promise. I transfer 1 victory card to omd and cash the
promise. I transfer a voting card from omd to myself. I have 3 voting
cards. I pay 3 voting cards to create 6 extra votes. I transfer 3 extra
votes to R. Lee.
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8458
On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8458e Aris 1.0 Welcome Package Patch I pay an extra vote to buy strength on proposal 8458 3 times. I vote AGAINST proposal 8458. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: [Emergency] Mass Destruction
On 6/22/20 10:31 PM, omd via agora-business wrote:
> I intend, with 3 Agoran Consent, to enact the following Emergency Regulation:
> {
> This Regulation continuously destroys all Blots.
> }
Sadly, I object. As hilarious as abolishing crime through emergency
regulation a la the purge is.
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: certifying
On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > I certify the proposal titled "Welcome Package Patch" > > I am Treasuror; this is a bug that relates directly to my office. > > -- > Trigon > > I LOVE SPAGHETTI > transfer Jason one coin > nch was here > I hereby > don't... trust... the dragon... > don't... trust... the dragon... > Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this I point my finger at Trigon for Uncertain Certification. This patch has a secondary purpose of stopping a scam, which means its sole function is not bugfixing. Also, it introduces a bug. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: Perfectly Normal Gameplay Nothing to See Move Along.
On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: > I propose and consent to the following amendment to the > contract "Co-Dependants" > > Add the text > > "nobody but nch and R. Lee can join this contract. Nch and R. Lee can > perform any actions on behalf of each other." > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:37 PM nch via agora-business < > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I perform the following action 36 times: >> >> I intend, with 7 days notice, to deregister R. Lee. >> >> -- >> nch >> Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager >> >> >> > -- > From R. Lee I don't consent to the above amendment. I propose the following amendment to the contract "Co Dependents": "Nobody but nch and R. Lee can join this contract. Nch and R. Lee can perform any actions on behalf of each other except consenting to amendments to this contract or joining other contracts." -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: Perfectly Normal Gameplay Nothing to See Move Along.
On 6/22/20 9:51 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: >> I propose and consent to the following amendment to the >> contract "Co-Dependants" >> >> Add the text >> >> "nobody but nch and R. Lee can join this contract. Nch and R. Lee can >> perform any actions on behalf of each other." >> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:37 PM nch via agora-business < >> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> >>> I perform the following action 36 times: >>> >>> I intend, with 7 days notice, to deregister R. Lee. >>> >>> -- >>> nch >>> Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> From R. Lee > I don't consent to the above amendment. I propose the following > amendment to the contract "Co Dependents": > > > "Nobody but nch and R. Lee can join this contract. Nch and R. Lee can perform > any actions on behalf of each other except consenting to amendments to this > contract or joining other contracts." > > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > I also consent to the amendment I proposed. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: New contract
On 6/22/20 11:59 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: > I create the below new contract (which I join) > > "Only nch and R. Lee can join this, they can do so by announcement. > > Nch and R. Lee can do any action on each other's behalf except join or > consent to contracts or their modification" > > -- > From R. Lee I join this contract. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE
On 6/22/20 9:51 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause the office of Prime Minister to > become vacant. > > -- > Jason Cobb > I object. I pledge not to blot anyone within the next two weeks unless this intent has the support it needs to resolve at any point within 1 day of its possible resolution window. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: certifying
On 6/23/20 5:25 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/22/20 10:41 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: >> On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: >>> I certify the proposal titled "Welcome Package Patch" >>> >>> I am Treasuror; this is a bug that relates directly to my office. >>> >>> -- >>> Trigon >>> >>> I LOVE SPAGHETTI >>> transfer Jason one coin >>> nch was here >>> I hereby >>> don't... trust... the dragon... >>> don't... trust... the dragon... >>> Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this >> I point my finger at Trigon for Uncertain Certification. This patch has >> a secondary purpose of stopping a scam, which means its sole function is >> not bugfixing. Also, it introduces a bug. >> > I find this finger-pointing to be SHENANIGANS. Because scams make use of > bugs, stopping a scam is not antithetical to the primary purpose of > fixing a bug. > > -- > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth ... what? It doesn't matter if it's "antithetical". The rule clearly says "sole function". This is an ulterior function and therefore violates the rule. This interpretation means 'patches' dont't have to be primarily patches which sets a terrible precedent. I CFJ: Welcome Package Patch's sole function is not to minimally rectify a bug. Arguments: It does rectify a bug (although, again, it introduces a new one). But it was forced through to prevent a scam. R2626 says "A player SHALL NOT certify a proposal unless its sole function isto minimally rectify a bug, error, or ambiguity". This has two functions: rectifying the bug, and preventing a scam. Sole means only, as in "the only function". -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: [NAX] Exchange Manager's Report
On 6/23/20 10:19 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> On 6/23/20 11:18 AM, nch via agora-business wrote:
>> On 6/23/20 9:43 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> On 6/22/20 10:10 AM, nch via agora-business wrote:
>>>> This is the NAX Weekly Report
>>>>
>>>> {
>>>>
>>>> Outstanding Orders
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> Order 0
>>>> - Creater: nch
>>>> - Goods: 10 coins
>>>> - Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer any card to NAX."
>>> I transfer one Voting Card to NAX, fulfilling this order.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
>>> Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
>> I find this attempt Unsuccessful, you have to pay NAX 1 coin to do a
>> transaction. I transfer the Voting Card from NAX to PSS.
>>
> Oh, right: thank you for your patience. I transfer one Voting Card and
> one coin to NAX, fulfilling this order.
>
> --
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
> Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
It's a confusing design, it needs an overhaul (or to be completely
dismantled because Promises do a similar thing more simply).
I find this attempt Successful. I transfer the Voting Card from NAX to
nch. I transfer 10 coins from NAX to PSS. The Purse is 1.
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: [NAX] Exchange Manager's Report
On 6/23/20 9:43 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> On 6/22/20 10:10 AM, nch via agora-business wrote:
>> This is the NAX Weekly Report
>>
>> {
>>
>> Outstanding Orders
>> -
>>
>> Order 0
>> - Creater: nch
>> - Goods: 10 coins
>> - Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer any card to NAX."
> I transfer one Voting Card to NAX, fulfilling this order.
>
>
> --
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
> Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
I find this attempt Unsuccessful, you have to pay NAX 1 coin to do a
transaction. I transfer the Voting Card from NAX to PSS.
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: Vote on P8442
Original Message
On Jun 23, 2020, 11:22 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
On 6/22/20 9:44 PM, Unspecified Behavior via agora-business wrote:
> I do not register, as I am already a player.
>
> I withdraw any vote I may or may not have cast on Proposal 8442. I vote FOR
> on Proposal 8442.
Well, I guess someone has to.
I CFJ: "If the person who sent the above message is a player, e cast a
vote on Proposal 8442 in that message."
Evidence:
{
"the above message" is at [0].
[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-June/043565.html
Rule 478/48 [Excerpt]:
> A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to
> all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be
> public. A rule can also designate that a part of one public
> message is considered a public message in its own right. To
> "publish" or "announce" something is to send a public message
> whose body contains that thing. To do something "publicly" is
> to do that thing within a public message.
>
> Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform "by
> announcement", that person performs that action by unambiguously
> and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
> it. Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the
> time date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages (including
> sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the
> message, unless otherwise specified.
}
Arguments:
{
Does the actor of the action need to be clearly specified for it to be
performed by announcement? I don't see any text in the rules that
necessarily implies so.
}
--
Jason Cobb
I disfavor this case.
BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3858 assigned to ATMunn
On 6/25/20 5:24 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > The below is CFJ 3858. I assign it to grok. > > CFJ Statement: > An action to be performed with 7 days notice depends on objections. Gratuitous: Reposting the relevant clause with my Gratuitous for readability: The above notwithstanding, if an action depends on objections, and an objection to an intent to perform it has been withdrawn within the past 24 hours, then Agora is not Satisfied with that intent. "X depends on Y" reads to me as "Y is important to the result of X". There's at least one possible objection, that of the speaker, that is important to the result of any dependent action intent. I think it's pretty clear that all dependent action intents depend on the objection of the speaker. The only reasonable counterargument I see is that the relevant clause is simply not intended to apply here. You could argue that "on objections" refers to objections in general, as opposed to any particular objections (like the Speaker's). However, if we look at the original purpose of the clause, that seems unlikely. In May 2009 two players performed a scam by objecting to an intent they wanted to pass - the objections tricked other players into assuming it would fail - and then withdrawing their objections last minute to resolve it [1][2]. A patch was quickly introduced that added the first version of this text, which impressively has lasted since then [3]. So the purpose of the clause is to make it where a person can't scam by doing a 'faux' objection. While "with notice" and the Speaker's veto didn't exist at the time, the sensible interpretation with these newer mechanics is that the Speaker also shouldn't be able to do faux objections. Thus, an in-context reading suggests the clause should apply to anything anyone can object to. I submit that H. Judge Grok should find this CFJ TRUE. [1] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2009-May/020136.html [2] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2009-May/026459.html [3] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2009-May/020138.html -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: [CFJ] Agoran Announcements
There was some debate and disagreement about this in the discord the other night, so I think it's worth formally discussing. I CFJ on: It would be possible to resolve an Agoran decision by announcement even if conditions 1-4 in R208 are not satisfied. Evidence: The relevant text from R208, "Resolving Agoran Decisions". The vote collector for an unresolved Agoran decision CAN resolve it by announcement, indicating the outcome. If it was required to be initiated, then e SHALL resolve it in a timely fashion after the end of the voting period. To be valid, this announcement must satisfy the following conditions: The debate is essentially over the last sentence. Here are some of the questions central to the disagreement: - What does valid refer to? The phrasing could lead to interpretation of either "[For this decision] to be valid" or "[For the announcement] to be valid. - If it refers to the announcement, what does it mean for an announcement to be valid or invalid? Does an invalid announcement fail to have effect? One argument for TRUE is as follows: Valid refers to the announcement, and Agora makes no distinction for invalid announcements. If an announcement was made as defined in R478, then the action was taken regardless of the validity or invalidity of the announcement. Here are some other pieces of rule text worth considering in the process of judgement: R478, Fora, has the following last paragraph: Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform "by announcement", that person performs that action by unambiguously and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs it. Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the time date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages (including sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the message, unless otherwise specified. "To be valid" is used 3 other times in the rules, they are iterated here: From R2614, "Eclipse Light": - Extend any deadline provided for by any instrument other than this rule, including a deadline for an obligation to be met, or deadline prior to which an action must be performed in order to be valid, such as the end of voting period. Such an extension CANNOT cause the total time period, such as the time from when an obligation was created to the deadline or the whole of a voting period, to be more than double its original length. From R107, "Initiating Agora Decisions": An Agoran decision is initiated when a person authorized to initiate it publishes a valid notice which sets forth the intent to initiate the decision. To be valid, the notice must clearly specify the following information: From R2510, "Such is Karma": A player CAN publish a Notice of Honour. For a Notice of Honour to be valid, it must: -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: [Glitter] Happy Birthday!
On 6/29/20 9:02 AM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > Happy Birthday, Agora! > > I award myself Magenta glitter. > > - Falsifian Happy birthday, Agora! Agora is now 27 IIRC. I award myself Magenta glitter. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: [Herald, attn: PM, Speaker] Long Service Awards
On 6/29/20 11:04 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > LET IT BE KNOWN that the Honorable Herald intends with 2 Agoran Consent > to award to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus the patent title of "Long > Service Award" in the class of "Three Months" for eir meritorious > service as Herald; > > LET IT BE FURTHER KNOWN that the Honorable Herald intends with 2 Agoran > Consent to award to Trigon the patent title of "Long Service Award" in > the class of "Twelve Months" for eir meritorious service as Rulekeepor; > > LET IT BE FURTHER KNOWN that the Honorable Herald thanks the Honorable > Associate Director of Personnel and the Honorable Jason for eir > recommendation; > > LET IT BE FURTHER KNOWN that the Honorable Herald petitions and > instructs the Right Honorable Speaker and the Right Honorable Prime > Minister to express their opinions on each of the above intents in > fulfillment of their ceremonial duties and in the spirit of Rule 2581. I support both intents. More recognition of contributions on the Scroll is always good for Agora.
Re: BUS: [Herald, attn: PM, Speaker] Long Service Awards
On 6/29/20 11:11 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > Yes, that is correct; I think I got it confused because of the subject: > I won't resolve that intent. I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to award > to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus the patent title of "Long Service > Award" in the class of "Three Months" for eir meritorious service as > Referee. I support this intent. I withdraw my support for then object to any intent to award PSS a patent title for eir service as Herald.
[ATTN Promotor, Treasuror] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Interested Proposals
On 6/23/20 7:33 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
> On 6/23/20 7:32 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 6/23/20 7:29 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
>>> I ditched the idea of Ready Proposals for something more similar to the
>>> old disinterested proposals system. The way this works is by calling
>>> proposals pended with pendants "sponsored" proposals, and making that a
>>> condition of getting the LC and coin rewards. I left a support mechanism
>>> for the Promotor because this scam convinced me that it's a good
>>> mechanism (if there was no support mechanism, the opposition wouldn't
>>> have been able to get their proposal in in time, which wouldn't have
>>> been nearly as fun). We can tweak it as we see what happens with it.
>>>
>>> Also, while I was at it, I rewrote the second paragraph of Popular
>>> Proposal Proposer Privilege. It should be functionally identical but
>>> less verbose.
>> So I forgot to rename this after changing the name of the system... I
>> withdraw Interested Proposals and submit but do not pend the following
>> proposal:
>>
>> {
>>
>> Title: Sponsored Proposals
>> AI: 1.0
>> Author: nch
>> Coauthors: G., Trigon
>>
>> Amend R2622, "Pending Proposals", to read in full:
>>
>> Pended is an untracked negative boolean proposal switch.
>>
>> Any player CAN pay 1 Pendant to flip the Pended switch of a
>> specified proposal to True. If the player did not create the
>> proposal and is not listed in the list of co-authors of the
>> proposal, e is added to the list of co-authors. When e does so,
>> the proposal becomes sponsored.
>>
>> The Promotor CAN, with 2+X support, flip the Pended switch of a
>> proposal in the Proposal Pool to true. For this, X is equal to the
>> number of times e has done so in the past 7 days.
>>
>> Any player CAN, without objection, flip the Pended switch of a
>> proposal in the Proposal Pool to true.
>>
>> A proposal with a Pended switch set to True is 'pending'.
>>
>> Repeal R2626 "Certifiable Patches".
>>
>> Amend R2623, "Popular Proposal Proposer Privilege", by replacing:
>>
>> The player who proposed the adopted proposal whose referendum had
>> the greatest popularity among all referenda assessed in the last 7
>> days CAN once earn one Legislative Card by announcement, provided
>> that no referendum initiated in the same message as it remains
>> unresolved. If there is a tie, all authors of the tied proposals
>> can do so once each.
>>
>> with:
>>
>> The author of the most popular sponsored proposal adopted in the
>> last 7 days CAN once earn one Legislative Card by announcement,
>> provided that no referenda initiated in the same message as it
>> remain unresolved. If there is a tie, all authors of the tied
>> proposals can do so once each.
>>
>> Amend R2496, "Rewards", by replacing "an adopted proposal" with "an
>> adopted sponsored proposal".
>>
>> }
>>
>> --
>> nch
>> Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
>>
>>
> TTttPF
>
> --
> nch
> Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
>
>
I pay 1 pendant to pend Sponsored Proposals.
Re: BUS: Attempt To Amend Codependancy Contract
On 6/15/20 10:59 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I want to amend (if nch agrees) the contract Co Dependants by adding on the > end > > "All members to this contract shall be members of and be bound by the > Agoran Arbitration Association contract" > > I consent to this amendment and become a party to the AAA > > -- > From R. Lee I consent to this change and become a party to the AAA. -- nch Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager, Pirate
BUS: [Contract] Co Dependents
I become a party to the following contract:
{
Contract: Co Dependents
If there are less than 2 parties to this contract, any player CAN become
a party to this contract. Any player CAN quit this contract with 1 day
notice.
The Pooled Cards are all rule defined cards.
The Pooled Products are pendants and blot-b-gones.
Once per day any party to this contract CAN transfer all Pooled Cards of
one type owned by the other party. When e does so e SHALL transmute all
cards of that type in eir possession immediately afterwards in the same
message, and SHALL transfer half, rounded up, of the products made by
that transmutation to the other party immediately afterwards in the same
message.
Once per day any party (A) CAN transfer X Pooled Products of a specified
type to emself from the other party (B) where:
* B must have more of the specified type than A,
* X = half, rounded down, of B's number of the specified Pooled Product
type minus A's number of the specified Pooled Product type.
Anyone who has ever violated a SHALL in this contract ceases to be a
party to this contract.
}
--
nch
Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager, Pirate
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Interest intent
On 6/15/20 9:52 PM, Rebecca via agora-official wrote: > Being without objection, I flip the interest switch of the webmaster to > participation As Webmastor I grant R. Lee a Voting Card. -- nch Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager, Pirate
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer now has a pegleg and an eyepatch
On 6/14/20 10:32 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
>> I propose the following Parley:
>>
>> {
>>
>> Replace the last sentence (under PARLEY) with:
>>
>> If a Parley was proposed at least 2 days ago, at least 2/3rds (rounded
>> up) of all Pirates consent to its contents, and it has not yet been
>> applied, then any Pirate can apply it by announcement, causing this
>> contract to be amended according to it.
>>
>> }
>>
>> (Motivation: give players a chance to escape if 2/3 try to bind the
>> remaining 1/3 to unfavourable terms. I'd prefer 4 days, but starting
>> with 2 since it's closer to the current situation.)
>>
>> - Falsifian
> My tally so far:
>
> Consented:
> Jason, P.S.S., Falsifian, R. Lee
>
> Not consented:
> Cuddlebeam, nch, G.
>
> I think if one more party consents (and nobody joins) the Parley will
> be enacted.
>
> - Falsifian
I consent to the above parley
--
nch
Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager, Pirate
BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] ADoP election enters next phase
On 6/19/20 6:12 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/19/20 4:12 AM, Rebecca via agora-official wrote: >> I initiate the voting phase for the ADoP election. The voting system is >> IRV, the valid options are the candidates who are currently R. Lee and >> Murphy. The quorum is 9.0 (which is a lot so get 'em in). >> >> I vote for R. Lee and act on behalf of tcbapo to also vote for R. Lee. >> >> -- >> From R. Lee > I vote: endorse R. Lee. > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > TTttPF -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: [Proposal] Ready Proposals
Below is v1 of Ready Proposals. It replaces the binary switch for pending with a trinary one that distinguishes 'proper' pending and 'special' pending. I also propose repealing Certifiable Patches, and amend the Promotor method to have no week limit but instead be without objection. Combine with the PM's ability to ready and distribute any proposal once a month, and the fact that the Promotor can distribute any proposal as long as e is willing to violate a SHALL NOT. If pending is broken, we can fix it immediately. If anything else is broken enough to want to circumvent the system, we have mechanisms for that. I submit, but do not pend, the following proposal: Title: Ready Proposals Author: nch Co-Authors: AI: 3 Repeal R2626 "Certifiable Patches". Amend R2622, "Pending Proposals", to read in full: Ready Method is an untracked proposal switch with possible values [None, Pended, Special] and default value None. If a proposal has a non-default Ready Method, it is ready. Any player CAN pay 1 Pendant (syn. pend) to flip the Ready Method switch of a specified proposal to Pended. If the player did not create the proposal and is not listed in the list of co-authors of the proposal, e is added to the list of co-authors. The Promotor CAN, without objection, flip the Ready Method of a specified proposal to Special. [This is the crux of the change. Replace Pending with a trinary switch, letting us distinguish how something was pended/made ready. I also got rid of the "once a week" limit on the Promotor power and made it without objection.] Amend R2451, "Executive Orders", by replacing: - Manifesto (Promotor): The Prime Minister distributes a specified proposal in the Proposal Pool. with: - Manifesto (Promotor): The Prime Minister flips the Ready Method of a specified proposal in the Proposal Pool to Special and distributes it. [Just make this power play nicely with the new switch.] Amend R1607, "Distribution", by replacing all instances of "pending" with "ready". [There's 3 such instances and they're all drop in replacements.] Amend 2625, "Proposal Recycling", to read in full: If a referendum on a proposal was resolved as FAILED QUORUM in the last seven days, the Promotor CAN once recycle the proposal by announcement, adding it to the Proposal Pool. [I took out the switch flip here because I don't think it's necessary. The switch isn't flipped again when the proposal is assessed, so it should be the same method as it was originally.] Amend 2623, "Popular Proposal Proposer Privilege", by replacing: The player who proposed the adopted proposal whose referendum had the greatest popularity among all referenda assessed in the last 7 days CAN once earn one Legislative Card by announcement, provided that no referendum initiated in the same message as it remains unresolved. If there is a tie, all authors of the tied proposals can do so once each. with: An Eligible Proposal is one whose Ready Method switch is set to Pended. The player who proposed the Eligible Proposal whose referendum had the greatest popularity among all Eligible Proposals whose referenda were assessed in the last 7 days days CAN once earn one Legislative Card by announcement, provided that no referendum initiated in the same message as it remains unresolved. If there is a tie, all authors of the tied Eligible Proposals can do so once each. [Tried to make this a tiny bit more readable while I was fixing it. Not sure how successful I was.] -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ready Proposals
As soon as I laid down I realized I forgot to exclude special proposals from coin rewards. So that'll be in the next version. I withdraw Ready Proposals.
Re: BUS: CFJ 3853 Judged True
On 6/21/20 4:11 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > On 6/20/20 9:37 AM, nch via agora-business wrote: >> === CFJ 3853 === >> >> Within the past week, Jason committed the crime of Uncertain >> Certification. >> >> == >> >> I judge CFJ 3853 TRUE. > I earn a blue ribbon for judging CFJ 3853. > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > Ooops no I don't. I earn blue glitter for judging CFJ 3853. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8442-8457
On the below proposals, I vote as follows: On 6/21/20 3:52 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8442e G. 1.0 Barrel Barrel Badger Barrel Endorse G. > 8443f G. 2.0 Term Limit PRESENT; seems unseemly to vote on this as PM. > 8444f Aris 2.0 Sedate Officiation AGAINST; this seems less clear, and unnecessary, to me. > 8445* Aris 3.0 Easier Retitling FOR > 8446e G., nch 1.0 Victory Auctions FOR > 8447p CB 1.0 Rule Infancy AGAINST; CANNOT leads to a lot of potential action rewinding. > 8448* Aris, Alexis, Falsifian 3.0 Populist Administration FOR; But 1. seems potentially buggy. I think it should be something more like "A SHALL in the regulation is a SHALL for the officer and a SHOULD for anyone else." That prevents the officer from writing rules for themselves that have implicit SHALLS, since the current wording - to me - implies any statement has the force of a SHALL for the officer. > 8449p Aris, [1]1.5 Simpler Heraldry FOR if 8448 has been assessed and passed, otherwise AGAINST. > 8450j G. 1.7 CFJ extensions FOR > 8451p CB 1.0 HUMBLE AGORAN FARMER WINS THE GAME AGAINST > 8452j P.S.S., Jason, Trigon1.0 Indictment Fixes Endorse PSS > 8453p G. 1.0 win indirection FOR > 8454j G., Jason, P.S.S.2.0 Judicial non-person fixes PRESENT; not sure how I feel about the implication of "former person" > 8455j G., Jason2.0 old judgements are good judgements FOR > 8456p G. 1.0 namings I vote endorse G. unless G. votes FOR in which case I vote endorse someone who votes AGAINST. If no one does so or this is ambiguous, I vote AGAINST. > 8457f R. Lee, P.S.S. 2.0 CHILL BRO AGAINST; Among being unnecessary, the last clause doesn't imply that they're necessarily the *same* type of asset that was spent. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: CFJ 3853 Judged True
On 6/20/20 9:37 AM, nch via agora-business wrote: > === CFJ 3853 === > > Within the past week, Jason committed the crime of Uncertain > Certification. > > == > > I judge CFJ 3853 TRUE. I earn a blue ribbon for judging CFJ 3853. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran officer monetizes signature
On 6/21/20 8:14 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > I transfer 3 coins to nch. Pretty sure these are 3 coins from Trigon, not from SEAMSTRESS. I transfer 3 coins to Trigon. I join SEAMSTRESS, transfer 3 coins to SEAMSTRESS, and specify the text "nch was here". -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran officer monetizes signature
On 6/21/20 6:16 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > Signature Enthusiast Allows Modification of Signature Through Rigorous > Exchanging of Signature Suggestions I transfer 3 coins to the above mentioned contract. The text I specify is "I ossify Agora." -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran officer monetizes signature
I transfer 3 coins to SEAMSTRESS and specify the text "don't... trust... the dragon..." -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: [NAX] Exchange Manager's Report
This is the NAX Weekly Report
{
Outstanding Orders
-
Order 0
- Creater: nch
- Goods: 10 coins
- Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer any card to NAX."
Order History
Order 2
- Creater: nch
- Goods: 30 coins
- Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer any card to NAX."
- Fulfiller: Jason
Order 1
- Creater: nch
- Goods: 20 coins
- Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer any card to NAX."
- Fulfiller: ATMunn
}
The Purse of NAX is 5. I transfer 5 coins from NAX to myself, making
the Purse 0.
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: CFJ 3853 Judged True
=== CFJ 3853 === Within the past week, Jason committed the crime of Uncertain Certification. == I judge CFJ 3853 TRUE. The rule in question is R2626, "Certifiable Patches". The caller's arguments [0], and the arguments of the finger-pointing that lead to the CFJ, rely primarily on the following clause: 5. A problem relates to an office if it plausibly affects the area of the game the office is responsible for and relates to a CFJ if it could plausibly be interpreted to affect that CFJ's outcome. First, several gratuitous arguments [1,2,3] were made about the meaning of the word 'plausible'. The most convincing argument to me was R. Lee's: plausible means something akin to "there is a colorable argument that it is true". if you are convinced that there is a reasonable argument that it's related to the Rulekeepor's duties, that's probably enough. However, mere ambiguity or unsureness isn't. Note that R2626 does not say the patch should relate to the office, or the office's duties. It says it should affect "the area of the game the office is responsible for". R1051, the Rulekeepor, gives us a definition of what the Rulekeepor is responsible for. In full it reads: The Rulekeepor is an office; its holder is responsible for maintaining the text of the rules of Agora. The Rulekeepor's Weekly report includes the Short Logical Ruleset. The Rulekeepor's Monthly report includes the Full Logical Ruleset. Let's review Jason's arguments for the patch certification: I certify the above proposal as a patch (please don't sue). Justification: this is a bug, because it clearly does not match legislative intent (which was discussed on the archives at the time of P8346; also, I'm the author of P8346 and I affirm that it does not match intent, as much as I want this bug to work), which relates to the office of the Rulekeepor, which I hold. It relates to the office of the Rulekeepor because the bug is in a rule, and the Rulekeepor keeps the rules, thus any problem in the rules "plausibly affects the area of the game" that Rulekeepor is responsible for (i.e. the rules). It is obviously a minimal rectification of the issue. Jason asserts that the Rulekeepor is responsible for "the rules", with the implicit assertion that e is responsible for the meaning of the rules. But R1051 says "the *text* of the rules", which pretty clearly excludes their meaning. This bug does not impact the Rulekeepor's responsibility to maintain the text of the rules, and is therefore not plausibly related to the office. Also note a gratuitous argument [4] submitted at the time the CFJ was called which uses similar reasoning to arrive at a similar conclusion. [0] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-June/043464.html [1] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2020-June/058938.html [2] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2020-June/058940.html [3] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2020-June/058942.html [4] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-June/043467.html -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving
On 6/20/20 3:42 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/20/20 2:58 PM, Stefan Fjellander via agora-business wrote: >> I, Bögtil, hereby deregisters, as via rule 869/46. >> It's been nice knowing y'all, but I don't really have time for this nor the >> energy (also I understand very little so each email required a lot of >> effort) right now. I might rejoin later? Who knows, but for now i have >> deregistered and unsubscribed from the mailing lists (all but this one, >> from which I'll unsubscribe tomorrow). Bögtil stefan.fjellan...@gmail.com > Sorry to see you going, but always happy to have you back if you choose. > Can I ask what you found most difficult/frustrating? > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > Sending this here because bogtil unsubscribed from a-d presumably. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: New contract
On 6/27/20 9:55 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: > I consent > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:51 PM nch via agora-business < > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 6/23/20 12:02 AM, nch via agora-business wrote: >>> On 6/22/20 11:59 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: >>>> I create the below new contract (which I join) >>>> >>>> "Only nch and R. Lee can join this, they can do so by announcement. >>>> >>>> Nch and R. Lee can do any action on each other's behalf except join or >>>> consent to contracts or their modification" >>>> >>>> -- >>>>From R. Lee >>> I join this contract. >>> >>> -- >>> nch >>> Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager >>> >>> >> I intend to destroy this contract with R. Lee's consent. >> >> -- >> nch >> Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager >> >> >> > -- > From R. Lee With the consent of both parties, I destroy this contract. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: Attn Nch, Notary
On 6/27/20 9:45 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: > I wish to amend my contract with nch "Co-dependence" by removing the last > sentence (the one about us being able to do any action for each other) > > -- > From R. Lee I consent.
Re: BUS: New contract
On 6/23/20 12:02 AM, nch via agora-business wrote: > On 6/22/20 11:59 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: >> I create the below new contract (which I join) >> >> "Only nch and R. Lee can join this, they can do so by announcement. >> >> Nch and R. Lee can do any action on each other's behalf except join or >> consent to contracts or their modification" >> >> -- >> From R. Lee > I join this contract. > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > I intend to destroy this contract with R. Lee's consent. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8458
On 6/22/20 10:13 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: >> ID Author(s)AITitle >> --- >> 8458e Aris 1.0 Welcome Package Patch > I pay an extra vote to buy strength on proposal 8458 3 times. I vote > AGAINST proposal 8458. > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > I withdraw my vote on this proposal. I vote FOR. I pledge not to change my vote on proposal 8458.
BUS: [NAX] Ordering some Pendants (ATTN Treasuror)
I pay NAX 1 coin 2 times. The purse is now 2. I transfer 10 coins to the NAX to create an order, specifying the fulfillment condition of "Transfer a Pendant to NAX." I transfer 10 coins to the NAX to create an order, specifying the fulfillment condition of "Transfer a Pendant to NAX." -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: [ATTN Arbitor] Supination
I become supine. A good deal of current CFJs impact things I'm pretty motivated about, and also I'm trying to catch up on some real life work.
BUS: [Proposal] Interested Proposals
I ditched the idea of Ready Proposals for something more similar to the
old disinterested proposals system. The way this works is by calling
proposals pended with pendants "sponsored" proposals, and making that a
condition of getting the LC and coin rewards. I left a support mechanism
for the Promotor because this scam convinced me that it's a good
mechanism (if there was no support mechanism, the opposition wouldn't
have been able to get their proposal in in time, which wouldn't have
been nearly as fun). We can tweak it as we see what happens with it.
Also, while I was at it, I rewrote the second paragraph of Popular
Proposal Proposer Privilege. It should be functionally identical but
less verbose.
Anyway, I submit but do not pend the following proposal:
{
Title: Interested Proposals
AI: 1.0
Author: nch
Coauthors: G., Trigon
Amend R2622, "Pending Proposals", to read in full:
Pended is an untracked negative boolean proposal switch.
Any player CAN pay 1 Pendant to flip the Pended switch of a
specified proposal to True. If the player did not create the
proposal and is not listed in the list of co-authors of the
proposal, e is added to the list of co-authors. When e does so,
the proposal becomes sponsored.
The Promotor CAN, with 2+X support, flip the Pended switch of a
proposal in the Proposal Pool to true. For this, X is equal to the
number of times e has done so in the past 7 days.
Any player CAN, without objection, flip the Pended switch of a
proposal in the Proposal Pool to true.
A proposal with a Pended switch set to True is 'pending'.
Repeal R2626 "Certifiable Patches".
Amend R2623, "Popular Proposal Proposer Privilege", by replacing:
The player who proposed the adopted proposal whose referendum had
the greatest popularity among all referenda assessed in the last 7
days CAN once earn one Legislative Card by announcement, provided
that no referendum initiated in the same message as it remains
unresolved. If there is a tie, all authors of the tied proposals
can do so once each.
with:
The author of the most popular sponsored proposal adopted in the
last 7 days CAN once earn one Legislative Card by announcement,
provided that no referenda initiated in the same message as it
remain unresolved. If there is a tie, all authors of the tied
proposals can do so once each.
Amend R2496, "Rewards", by replacing "an adopted proposal" with "an
adopted sponsored proposal".
}
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Interested Proposals
On 6/23/20 7:32 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 7:29 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
>> I ditched the idea of Ready Proposals for something more similar to the
>> old disinterested proposals system. The way this works is by calling
>> proposals pended with pendants "sponsored" proposals, and making that a
>> condition of getting the LC and coin rewards. I left a support mechanism
>> for the Promotor because this scam convinced me that it's a good
>> mechanism (if there was no support mechanism, the opposition wouldn't
>> have been able to get their proposal in in time, which wouldn't have
>> been nearly as fun). We can tweak it as we see what happens with it.
>>
>> Also, while I was at it, I rewrote the second paragraph of Popular
>> Proposal Proposer Privilege. It should be functionally identical but
>> less verbose.
> So I forgot to rename this after changing the name of the system... I
> withdraw Interested Proposals and submit but do not pend the following
> proposal:
>
> {
>
> Title: Sponsored Proposals
> AI: 1.0
> Author: nch
> Coauthors: G., Trigon
>
> Amend R2622, "Pending Proposals", to read in full:
>
> Pended is an untracked negative boolean proposal switch.
>
> Any player CAN pay 1 Pendant to flip the Pended switch of a
> specified proposal to True. If the player did not create the
> proposal and is not listed in the list of co-authors of the
> proposal, e is added to the list of co-authors. When e does so,
> the proposal becomes sponsored.
>
> The Promotor CAN, with 2+X support, flip the Pended switch of a
> proposal in the Proposal Pool to true. For this, X is equal to the
> number of times e has done so in the past 7 days.
>
> Any player CAN, without objection, flip the Pended switch of a
> proposal in the Proposal Pool to true.
>
> A proposal with a Pended switch set to True is 'pending'.
>
> Repeal R2626 "Certifiable Patches".
>
> Amend R2623, "Popular Proposal Proposer Privilege", by replacing:
>
> The player who proposed the adopted proposal whose referendum had
> the greatest popularity among all referenda assessed in the last 7
> days CAN once earn one Legislative Card by announcement, provided
> that no referendum initiated in the same message as it remains
> unresolved. If there is a tie, all authors of the tied proposals
> can do so once each.
>
> with:
>
> The author of the most popular sponsored proposal adopted in the
> last 7 days CAN once earn one Legislative Card by announcement,
> provided that no referenda initiated in the same message as it
> remain unresolved. If there is a tie, all authors of the tied
> proposals can do so once each.
>
> Amend R2496, "Rewards", by replacing "an adopted proposal" with "an
> adopted sponsored proposal".
>
> }
>
> --
> nch
> Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
>
>
TTttPF
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures
With the consent of all NAX members, I intend to append the following to the
NAX contract:
{
PART VII: Self Amendment
Any trader CAN change the text of the contract by announcement if e has
specified in an earlier message (published to a public Agoran forum) the
exact changes to make to the contract and has received explicit consent
(published to a public Agoran forum) to these changes from at least 1
more than half, rounded down, of all traders.
}
--
nch
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430
Where I vote Present without explanation it's because I don't feel the need for the change and don't particularly wish to make Aris even richer. I vote as follows: On Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:01:57 AM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are > conditional votes). > > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8409* Aris 3.0 College of Letters, Arts, and Sciences FOR > 8410e Aris 2.2 Promise Powers Patch FOR > 8411p R. Lee 1.0 Contract Lawyers FOR > 8412j R. Lee 1.7 Small Pledge Amendments FOR > 8413l Aris 1.0 Why Track Pendency? FOR (this is also another piece of evidence that we're over-applying switches/ a relatively common situation we should deal with some other way - it's useful important to know the pending status of a proposal up until it's assessed, and then it's not. But switches don't really provide a good mechanism for that.) > 8414l Aris 2.0 Ministerial Reshuffling PRESENT > 8415* Aris 3.0 Proposal Recycling Initiative PRESENT > 8416* Falsifian, G., P.S.S.3.1 Identity theft protection act v1.1 FOR > 8417l Aris, G. 1.0 PP [1] FOR > 8418* Aris 3.0 Referenda PRESENT; recent discussion makes me want to revisit something like this after more consideration > 8419f Aris 2.0 Executive Expansion AGAINST; Pardon is broken. If someone expunged blots from a fine that e didn't get a pardon for, that fine can be specified. Additionally not a fan of this much power for the PM. > 8420f G. 2.0 Checks and balances FOR > 8421e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation FOR > 8422* P.S.S., [2] 3.0 No More Numbers! FOR > 8423f P.S.S., G. 2.0 Removing Repetition AGAINST; as stated before I think this text provides clarity to the rules. > 8424l Aris, nch, P.S.S.1.0 Certifiable Patches AGAINST; would be persuaded to FOR if these patches weren't eligible for coins or card awards. Circumvention of costs should mean forfeiture of reward. > 8425j Aris 2.0 Impossibility Defense PRESENT > 8426j Aris 2.0 Impracticability Defense PRESENT > 8427j R. Lee 2.0 Slap on the wrist FOR; 0 blot penalties seem like a good addition for certain circumstances. > 8428* Aris 3.0 Pending Pends PRESENT > 8429j Aris 1.7 Why Limit Clemency? PRESENT > 8430p P.S.S., G. 2.0 Silver Quill 2016 FOR -- nch
