DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] click whirrrr THUNK damn

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Oh crap well that's completely broken. I was madly trying to sculpt Murphy's text and missed those differences. On 6/8/2021 8:51 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 6/8/21 11:25 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> I submit the following proposal: >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8573

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 8:37 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/8/21 11:30 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> The Mad Engineer CAN act on behalf of >> the device to take any action that the device may take, and >> SHALL act on behalf of the device to ensure that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Clearance on Voting Cards [attn. Treasuror]

2021-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2021 11:23 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Trying to make extra votes work is hard, though; either they break the > game, or they do nothing, with not much in between. I think they worked > better when they were tied to an asset that also had more common uses > than boosting

Re: DIS: Re: [CFJ] BUS: CFJ 3907 Judged PARADOXICAL

2021-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2021 3:04 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Jun 5, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> CFJ, barring Gaelan: For the purposes of R2553, CFJ 3907 is about the >> effectiveness, possibility, or legality of a change in the gamestate. > > The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Determinacy is a Good Thing

2021-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/5/2021 6:23 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 6:13 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/5/2021 4:55 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> Title: Determinacy is a Good Thing >>> Adoption index: 1.7 >>> Author: Aris >> >> Want to lodge a bit of a

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Determinacy is a Good Thing

2021-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/5/2021 4:55 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > Title: Determinacy is a Good Thing > Adoption index: 1.7 > Author: Aris Want to lodge a bit of a protest here - paradox to me is inherent to Suberian nomic, and if any nomic follows that purist tradition, it's this one, so it seems

DIS: Re: [CFJ] Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer makes a sandwich something something yo mamma joke

2021-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
As Arbitor, I have a general policy of filtering out "the most self-interested" parties from judge assignments whenever possible, so I would not (even if I hadn't favored it) be prone to grant this one? Happy to discuss. On 5/31/2021 3:28 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I favor

DIS: Re: BUS: There's no way this works, right?

2021-05-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Gratuitous initial thoughts: "violating a pledge" isn't in itself an action to perform or refrain from performing, but the consequences of some action. You can't just "violate a rule" as an action, you do some other action which as a consequence violates a rule. It's like saying "I pledge that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Election cycle

2021-05-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/23/2021 2:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: >> >> After the nomination period ends, the ADoP (or, if the office is >> the ADoP, the Assessor) CAN and, in a timely fashion, SHALL: >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] May Stone Auction

2021-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/20/2021 1:44 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > > >> On May 19, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> I bid 670 coins on the Protection Stone. > > For each stone being auctioned, I bid n-1 coins, where n is the value of the > current highest bid on

DIS: stonekeepor nerf proto-proto

2021-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Without taking away anything whatsoever from the current Stonekeepor's current playing (or criticizing eir strategy in *any* way), we have the makings of a "too much officer control" situation for a single subgame: 1. Stonekeepor can auction as many stones as e wants, whenever. 2. Can bid on

DIS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3903 Assigned to G.

2021-04-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/3/2021 9:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 4/3/2021 5:32 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> The below CFJ is 3903. I assign it to G. >> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3903 >> >> === CFJ 3903 === >> >> R.

DIS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3903 Assigned to G.

2021-04-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/3/2021 5:32 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The below CFJ is 3903. I assign it to G. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3903 > > === CFJ 3903 === > > R. Lee's votes on the referendums on proposals 8549

DIS: Re: BUS: Trying Out Judging Again [attn. Arbitor]

2021-04-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/3/2021 5:05 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > I'm interested in judging a case sometime. If possible, I request one > that isn't incredibly complex. You're on the "occasional" list and I tapped you last month - not sure how to fit a request like this in the rotation exactly but

DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] R. Lee's vote

2021-04-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/3/2021 4:52 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 11:08:30 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I CFJ, barring R. Lee: "R. Lee's votes on the referendums on proposals >> 8549 and 8552-8555 were clearly specified." > > I indicate I'm an interested judge,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Election Cycle

2021-04-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/3/2021 6:42 AM, nix via agora-business wrote: > Also note this removes method A from the original. It doesn't get much > use, so I don't see much reason to keep it. Plus, impeachment serves > a similar role. 1. Keeping it for Prime Ministers is enough use to keep it. 2. This means that,

DIS: Re: [proto] simplify indictments

2021-03-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/29/2021 10:31 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Proto: fix and simplify indictments > AI: 1.7 > coauthor: nix Forgot to mention that the "fix" part is due to some uncertainty with the power of the Indictment rule just now discussed on Discord. It needs to be power-1.7 to work (because levying

DIS: [proto] simplify indictments

2021-03-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: fix and simplify indictments AI: 1.7 coauthor: nix Repeal Rule 2619 (Indictment). Amend Rule 2557 (Sentencing Guidelines) by appending the following paragraph: When the rules authorize an investigator to issue an Indictment for a violation, e CAN do so by levying a fine on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] We care after the first time

2021-03-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/19/2021 12:51 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mar 19, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> { >> >> Amend Rule 2465, "Victory by Apathy", by replacing the final "." >> character with the following: ", except for those who have won the game >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Legislating [attn. Treasuror]

2021-03-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/16/2021 7:07 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > If it would result in me gaining 10 pendants, I pay a fee of four > legislative cards as a set to gain 10 pendants. Seen a lot of this recently (not to call out just one), and wanted to point out that fees are pretty much a money-back

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Promise Fixes

2021-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/14/2021 4:12 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > Title: You Can Only Stack Turtles So High > Adoption index: 2.2 I was concerned about this fix for a couple of reasons, but I was hoping the cfj would be resolved before discussing it further. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3901 Assigned to Gaelan

2021-03-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/7/2021 12:32 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/7/21 3:29 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> >>> On Mar 7, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official >>> wrote: >>> >>> The below CFJ is 3901. I assign it to Gaelan. >>> >>> status:

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8544-8548

2021-03-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/7/2021 9:53 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> 8546*~ G. 3.0 Talisn't > > FOR. (Should this mention activity? Eh, G. wrote the activity rules so e > probably knows better.) A few of us chatted on Discord when I submitted it, and consensus seemed to be

Re: DIS: [Proto] Uncanny Fixes

2021-02-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/28/2021 9:32 AM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: >> Amend Rule 107, "Initiating Agoran Decisions", by replacing: >> >>The vote collector for a decision with less than two options >>CAN and SHALL end the voting period by announcement, if it has not >>ended already, and

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly Report

2021-02-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/27/2021 12:04 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2014-October/010878.html > > * 2018-04-06: G. adds more entries with a deregistration date of "5 Apr 94" > > >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2021-02-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/21/2021 2:45 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> DEADLINES (details below) >> --- >> [CFJ 3899 is being handled by the referee, but will be added to the CotC >> database once closed. Falsifian's judgment is due 11 Feb 2021 07:15:03] > > I think it's due 24

DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday

2021-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/12/2021 10:32 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > I became a player on February 13, 2019. Happy birthday to me! > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-February/04.html > Happy belated birthday, Falsifian! (just barely in the formal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft judgement of CFJ 3899

2021-02-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:46 PM Falsifian wrote: > Here is my draft. Could anyone point me to precedent about what it > means for information to be "reasonably available"? My draft includes > my own reasoning, but if it's been covered previously I should use that > or at least mention it. That's

DIS: proto: tournament degrees

2021-02-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On discord, it came up that running tournaments is hard work and should have some implied reward. I think the current ruleset would actually allow for theses based on tournaments - game design is hard, and a set of regulations for a subgame, played and debugged through peer review, would almost

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Emergency] [Proposal Distribution] Dictator Dethronement

2021-02-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/7/2021 7:23 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > On 2/3/2021 10:16 AM, ATMunn wrote: >> I intend, with 3 Agoran Consent, to repeal all existing Emergency >> Regulations. > > Having received support from Jason and no objections, I do so. > Simple and straightforward. My plan had been

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Anti-Simultaniety Act

2021-02-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/4/2021 10:57 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > Amend Rule 478 by replacing "Actions in messages (including > sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the message, > unless otherwise specified" with "Actions in messages (including > sub-messages) are performed in the

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3893 judged FALSE

2021-02-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I'm considering a motion to reconsider this case, and would like comments. Reasons: ID Numbers are nowhere explicitly defined. So what's an ID number? It's a number used to ID a rule. Once a SLR has been published a few times, it's clear that there's only one number that identifies a

DIS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3896 Assigned to G.

2021-02-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/3/2021 9:26 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The below CFJ is 3896. I assign it to G.. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3896 > > === CFJ 3896 === > > If an AI 3.0 proposal with the text "Destroy Agora."

Re: DIS: [Proto] RWO for all

2021-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/31/2021 1:42 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2021-01-31 at 21:17 +, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > At present, if we unperson everyone, AIAN will prevent the unpersonning > proposal passing. > > With a change like this, AIAN would no longer directly block a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2021 5:55 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/29/21 7:52 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> The issue is a white ribbon scam. The pet argument (that your pet can >> consent to play a game with you) allows a single individual to generate >> a new white ribbon, which is

DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Crime and Punishment

2021-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2021 9:29 AM, JTAC via agora-official wrote: >BlotsActive player >-- > 7 R. Lee > 2 Shelvacu This isn't a formal CoE because you don't officially track this info, but Shelvacu is a deregistered fugitive now (that's why I didn't include

Re: DIS: [Proto] The Great Rollback

2021-01-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/27/2021 12:02 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Apply S->I to Rule 1688, "Power". > Apply S->I to Rule 2438, "Ribbons". In the next draft, can you write out in full the changes to R1688? I think seeing all the substantive changes together will be important. For example,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly Report

2021-01-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/27/2021 4:18 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/6/21 4:28 PM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote: >> u Wes wesc at ichips.intel.com 5 Apr 94 >> u Timothy timothy.ferguson at jcu.edu.au 12 Sep 94 >> u Chuck

DIS: Re: BUS: Prime Ministration [attn. ADoP]

2021-01-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/27/2021 12:32 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > Prime Minister is, by tradition, the one office we regularly call > elections for. The current Prime Minister has served eir term, and it > is time for a new Agoran to take eir place. > > I intend, with 2 support, to call an

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3894 Assigned to Jason

2021-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/26/2021 2:12 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > I find it fascinating how inner mental states (or more accurately, the > perception others have of them) can affect the outcome of winning or not. This wasn't touched on, but in a legal sense, determining whether a person "knows"

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer thanks their partner

2021-01-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/20/2021 11:20 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I award G. a White Ribbon > > Thank you G.! > my pleasure!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] third level Turn Undead

2021-01-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/20/2021 9:13 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> If an inactice player has been inactive continuously for the past > > typo: "inactice" twice > >> 60 days, then any player CAN deregister em with notice; for such >> a deregistration to be successful, the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8530-8531

2021-01-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/18/2021 11:40 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >> 8531g^ Jason 1.5 Patent Title Restoration v2 > FOR. I'm a bit iffy on the idea of allowing new patent titles to be > granted to non-persons, but it doesn't seem like there's a mechanism > for that at

DIS: proto2: dictator fixes

2021-01-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
proto v0.2: de-dictatorship AI-3 (diff: secured-2 changes in voting period, a grammar fix). Amend Rule 2614 (Eclipse Light) by appending the following paragraph: Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, Emergency

Re: DIS: proto: dictator fixes

2021-01-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/17/2021 8:41 AM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > G. wrote: > >> [pretty straightforward, but I think it captures the loopholes we used or >> were planning to use]. >> >> Repeal Rule 2633 (Rulebending). > > What about ending a voting period? > When I last sent around a proto

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Patent Title Restoration

2021-01-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/16/2021 2:25 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/16/21 5:24 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Award all Patent Titles to eir former holders that were lost solely due >>> to the entity not being a person (under any current or former definition >>> of "person"),

DIS: proto: dictator fixes

2021-01-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
[pretty straightforward, but I think it captures the loopholes we used or were planning to use]. proto: de-dictatorship AI-3 Amend Rule 2614 (Eclipse Light) by appending the following paragraph: Rules to the

Re: DIS: [Proto] SLR Ratification

2021-01-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/8/2021 9:57 PM, JTAC via agora-discussion wrote: > On 9/1/2021 10:52 am, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> Ratify the Short Logical Ruleset published on the 1st December, 2020, >> available >> here [1]. >> >> [1] >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Attack on the CFJ-A

2021-01-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/8/2021 2:54 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > E.g. if I said "I hereby express my gratitude for your hard work", > that's not defined by the rules, but I would have thought it's > nonetheless legally true and effective, because I did in fact express > my gratitude by writing it,

DIS: Re: BUS: Attack on the CFJ-A

2021-01-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/6/2021 1:43 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> Your move, Agorans. > > I point my finger at CuddleBeam for violating No Faking, 2471/1, by taking an > action e knew not to be effective, with intent to mislead. > Before you claim this failed, please look at the results.

Re: DIS: (proto) third level Turn Undead

2021-01-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/3/2021 4:10 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 3:17 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 15:08 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Proto: Turn Undead, AI-3: >>> >>

DIS: (proto) third level Turn Undead

2021-01-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: Turn Undead, AI-3: Create the following Rule, Activity: Activity is a player switch tracked by the Registrar, with values Active (default) and Inactive. The date on which each player's activity

Re: DIS: [Treasuror] [Proto-Regulation-Amendment] Unlimited claim window

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 9:54 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 09:01:53PM -0700, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion > wrote: >> I originally set arbitrary limits on when a termination message for an >> auction could be posted and when lots could be claimed. It has caused

Re: DIS: [Treasuror] [Proto-Regulation-Amendment] Unlimited claim window

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 8:01 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > I originally set arbitrary limits on when a termination message for an > auction could be posted and when lots could be claimed. It has caused > several victory auctions to not actually award anything because of > negligence

Re: DIS: [Proto-Proposal] planning to flop

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 3:15 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 12/30/20 1:49 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >>> This one confuses me a little, as it changes the dynamics somewhat (the >>> Treasuror can set the next month's Buoyancy nearly a month in advance). >>> But part of that is

Re: DIS: [Proto-Proposal] planning to flop

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 2:12 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> Switches that can be flipped in >>this way are called "planned switches". Planning to flip a switch >>is secured. > > > This should be more explicit about what power the flipping occurs at > (right now I think it's the

Re: DIS: [Proto-Proposal] planning to flop

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 12:00 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > Amend Rule 2638 "Player Focuses" so that the second paragraph reads: > >An active player CAN plan to flip eir own Ministry Focus by >announcement at any time. I think it's an overall good idea and the above is a good

Re: DIS: Plans to Deregister

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/25/2020 8:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it! > > Every year in December, I take the opportunity to evaluate what I have > been doing in the past year and make plans for the new year. This year, > I've decided that continuing as a

Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror] Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction Resolution

2020-12-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/20/2020 1:29 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 12/20/20 1:41 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < >> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/20 11:28 PM, Lucidiot via

Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror] Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction Resolution

2020-12-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/20/2020 12:41 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 12/13/20 11:28 PM, Lucidiot via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Le 13/12/2020 à 23:28, Reuben Staley via

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Renumbering

2020-12-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/18/2020 1:48 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > The most recently enacted Rule entitled "Temporary CFJ Setup" is hereby > renumbered as Rule 2609 (if it does not already have that number). > > The most recently enacted Rule entitled "Statutory Instrumentation > Simultaneity" is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3891 Assigned to G.

2020-12-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/8/2020 6:16 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 12/8/20 5:41 AM, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote: >> Coins are fungible but that doesn't mean they don't exist as separate >> singular entities. Individual coins (obviously) exist in real life too and >> they are still (obviously)

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Reversing the Arrow

2020-12-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/7/2020 11:05 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > If all instances of a class of asset with the same owner are fungible, > that class is a currency. If the backing document of a class of assets > defines it as a currency, it is a currency. Is the intent that "fungible" must be

Re: DIS: Should We Save Honor?

2020-11-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 11/16/2020 10:45 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 11/16/2020 1:40 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> The honor/karma system seems to have fallen largely out of use. Should >> we try to fix it, and if so, what do we need to do? >> >> -Aris >> > > I say get rid of it.

Re: DIS: On Rule 217 and the Four Factors: Another Proposal Prospectus

2020-11-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 11/16/2020 1:18 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > G. responded with yet another counter. E pointed out that the relevant > section has a long history, dating back at least to 2003. While e > agreed that interpretation had recently gone in a less than preferable > direction, e

DIS: Re: [@ministor] lordy look at the time

2020-10-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Sorry, head's *really* not in the game. fails of course misremembered the rule. On 10/31/2020 6:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > [It's been a hard week my heads not in the game - I hope you'll not mind > that it's prerogative of the dictator to be late, on very rare occasions.] > > I issue the

Re: DIS: The State of the Agoran Economy

2020-10-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/15/2020 9:01 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > In the past few days the discord (and the IRC, thanks to the AgoraBot > bridge) has been very active with discussion on economic problems and > solutions. This has lead to a few different proposals being worked on. > There's some great

Re: DIS: down with whatever!

2020-10-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/14/2020 8:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 8:34 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> Proto: Rebellion Redux > > I like most of this, but there's one bit I dislike quite a bit, and > that's involving the

DIS: Re: BUS: Mysterious Contract That Isn't That Mysterious Because I Explain What It's For

2020-10-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/14/2020 1:28 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > published to a publicly accessible (but not necessarily Public) forum This is impossible to do for a non-public forum because of the definition of "published". A good way may be to explicitly name a github repo that only you can

Re: DIS: down with whatever!

2020-10-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/14/2020 8:51 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 10/14/20 11:32 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> * each office held by an Abiding player becomes interim. > > > I don't think this works because "interim" is evaluated continuou

DIS: down with whatever!

2020-10-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: Rebellion Redux (as blots accumulate a bit...) Re-enact rule 1664 (Rebellion) with Power-2 and the following text: Orthodoxy is an active player switch, tracked by the Referee, with values Abiding

DIS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3885 Assigned to G.

2020-10-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/9/2020 10:47 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The below CFJ is 3885. I assign it to G.. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3885 > > === CFJ 3885 === > > On or about 10:35:46 UTC on 4 Oct 2020, PSS

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: multi-list test

2020-10-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/10/2020 12:20 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 07:18:24PM +, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 10/10/20 2:17 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: >>> >>> This message contains no game actions. >>> >>> Testing: do people subscribed to both lists

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3886 Assigned to Gaelan

2020-10-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/10/2020 11:52 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 10/9/20 12:48 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> The below CFJ is 3886. I assign it to Gaelan. >> >> status:https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3886 >> >> === CFJ 3886

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3886 Assigned to Gaelan

2020-10-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/10/2020 11:27 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 10/10/2020 3:37 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> Preliminary notes: >> >> All but one player (per registrar report) is definitely subscribed to a-d, >> with message delivery on. That leaves Tyler (who briefly showed up in June),

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3886 Assigned to Gaelan

2020-10-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/10/2020 3:37 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > Preliminary notes: > > All but one player (per registrar report) is definitely subscribed to a-d, > with message delivery on. That leaves Tyler (who briefly showed up in June), > who is not listed on a-d's member list I think

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3884 Assigned to Aris

2020-10-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/3/2020 12:55 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > Thus, I arrive at the following standard. For something to be a forum, a > sufficiently large number of people^ must be actually and reasonably able to > communicate via it. The notion of "forum" in this context, to me implies

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [deputy-Coopor] Barrel Broadcast [attn. Tailor]

2020-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/1/2020 3:46 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> I award myself a Cyan ribbon. >> > > By my records, you have a Cyan ribbon that you earned in September for > deputizing for Cooper. > That one is questionable actually. E didn't actually do the duty

DIS: Re: OFF: [Webmastor] Agora OnLine (September 2020)

2020-09-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/30/2020 12:53 PM, nix via agora-official wrote: > CotC @ https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/ V. useful report! The actual Arbitor's report is here: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/report.html

DIS: [Arbitor] State of the Bench

2020-09-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
A couple CFJs have cycled through and we've lost some judges recently (downturn of activity/fall busyness?) and for some of these cases the only regular judges left are self-interested, so I'm calling on the occasional reserves - hopefully nobody put out too much! -G.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] i missed my agoran birthday :(

2020-09-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/24/2020 6:45 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > My Agoran birthday was September 21, but I forgot to announce it. This > is very sad. Please feel bad for me. > > I submit the following proposal: > > Title: Happy Belated Birthday > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: ATMunn > Co-authors: >

DIS: Re: BUS: Prime Minister Election

2020-09-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/17/2020 4:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 9/17/2020 4:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On 9/17/2020 11:35 AM, nix via agora-business wrote: >>> On 9/17/20 1:32 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: It has been 90 days since I was elected PM. I intend, with 2 support, to start a PM

DIS: Re: BUS: Prime Minister Election

2020-09-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/17/2020 4:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 9/17/2020 11:35 AM, nix via agora-business wrote: >> On 9/17/20 1:32 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: >>> It has been 90 days since I was elected PM. I intend, with 2 support, to >>> start a PM election. I still want the office and will campaign

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

2020-09-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/15/2020 12:41 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> I support. >> >> I'll actually go the other direction. The contract says "Any player CAN, >> with notice, file a proof of a claim of a valid judgement." With notice is >> a mechanism; in the absence of something saying that the

Re: DIS: [Proto] Election Security

2020-09-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/6/2020 12:49 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > { > Title: Election Security > AI: 3 > Author: Gaelan > > Append the following paragraph to 683 "Voting on Agoran Decisions": { > Creating, changing, withdrawing or destroying ballots is secured. Rules to > the contrary

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clarify asset ownership some more

2020-09-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/6/2020 11:45 AM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > I wrote: > >> I intend, without objection, to flip this proposal to Pending. (If there >> is an objection, then does anyone want to trade for a pendant?) > > Having received no objection, I do so. Falsifian objected an hour or so

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Nomaoic] Daily Report

2020-09-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/2/2020 6:20 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 9/2/20 9:13 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> On 9/2/2020 6:11 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 9/1/2020 4:52 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-official wrote: >>>> I am not requ

DIS: Re: OFF: [Nomaoic] Daily Report

2020-09-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/2/2020 6:11 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 9/1/2020 4:52 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-official wrote: >> I am not required to report any information today. >> >> Gaelan >> > > Request: As this is a free tournament, if these are going to be daily can > they go to BUS not OFF? > > Diplonomic

DIS: Re: OFF: [Nomaoic] Daily Report

2020-09-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/1/2020 4:52 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-official wrote: > I am not required to report any information today. > > Gaelan > Request: As this is a free tournament, if these are going to be daily can they go to BUS not OFF? Diplonomic and FRC (official birthday tournaments) stayed in BUS

Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror?] Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

2020-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/29/2020 1:41 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 8/29/2020 4:40 PM, ATMunn wrote: >> On 8/29/2020 4:32 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> (I don't see any evidence that "file a proof of claim" is a >>> term of art). >

DIS: Re: [@Treasuror?] Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

2020-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/29/2020 1:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > On 8/24/2020 5:00 PM, ATMunn wrote: >> On 8/24/2020 4:56 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> Contract: Proofs of Claim >>> >>> Any player CAN, with notice, file a proof of a claim of a valid >>> judgement. The first player to

DIS: Re: BUS: not getting emails (after list down)

2020-08-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Thanks! Looks like the messages all finally hit my inbox around an hour ago (slowest one was delayed ~7 hours). On 8/25/2020 9:20 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > Receipt acknowledged. This message contains no game actions. > > -Aris > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:44 PM Kerim

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Timely reminders

2020-08-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/25/2020 6:08 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > { > > Amend Rule 2168 by replacing  the text "Upon such an occurrence" with > the text "Within two days of such an occurrence" > > } I think 2 days is too short don't want to penalize someone for not being around on a weekend - 4

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/24/2020 9:37 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > It's not as much of an issue that the payout is low, it's that if it's > pulled off, you can't really win by any way other than this maneuver > itself. (Aside from some obscure scam, but even then, it's going to be very > hard to

Re: DIS: Re: (@Treasuror @Registrar) Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie auction

2020-08-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/24/2020 4:33 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > Also, did I... win a zombie? Should I CfJ it? I don't think your bid was funded at the end of the auction. But the regulations are unclear on *when* you have to be funded (though "at the end of the auction" as suggested by the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 486

2020-08-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/22/2020 11:05 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > * ASSUMPTIONS > * This report assumes that shelvacu has not had any Agoran > > I wonder if that counts as a claim of error and prevents > self-ratification that way. > Claims of error (or 'issuing doubts') are by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: But I Won't Do That [Finger Point]

2020-08-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/17/2020 10:12 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > I imagine that this defeats the purpose, but G. or Jason, if you could > disclose the hashed document, that would be very much appreciated. > >> On Aug 17, 2020, at 11:39, Jason Cobb via agora-business >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 486

2020-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/15/2020 5:54 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: Nevermind, I should probably read more than just one email before replying like this. >>> >>> I called a CoE to make sure it wouldn't self-ratify. I don't think just >>> listing the assumption does that. >>> >>> In the past,

DIS: Re: BUS: I am interested in becoming a judge.

2020-08-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/13/2020 8:29 PM, shelvacu via agora-business wrote: > I am interested in becoming a judge. welcome to the bench! > (I vaguely remember something about announcements in subjects not > counting, so I repeated in the body just in case) If you say "I do as in the subject line" that works,

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