Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Making an Oath

2019-06-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Rebecca wrote: > There is a directly on point CFJ in re pledges and that "no prohibition" > clause, that being 3538. For anyone else interested, the archived CFJ is available at

DIS: Re: BUS: Making an Oath

2019-06-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jun 16, 2019, at 12:46 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: > I pledge, on penalty of a Class 0 Crime, to not send messages to public fora > for the next 24 hours. Does this pledge operate? Rule 478/34 (Power=3) Fora Freedom of speech being essential for the healthy functioning of any

DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Arbitor] Court Gazette

2019-06-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jun 11, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > [My recent posts included all the info in a Gazette in a minimal form, > so I might as well call it a Gazette while waiting for any > corrections... more complete-form Gazettes in the future...] > > I deputise for the Arbitor to publish the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8178-8179

2019-06-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jun 6, 2019, at 1:00 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > I may have miscounted; it does not appear to affect the result though. > Apologies Yeah, I didn’t make a CoE because I can’t see how it matters. I mostly wanted to make sure I hadn’t mis-cast my ballot! Thanks for looking. -o signature.asc

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8178-8179

2019-06-05 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:38 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > Proposal 8179 > === > AGAINST: Aris, Falsifian, omd, Rance, V.J. Rada*, twg+ > Present: Rance, o, Trigon On what grounds am I PRESENT and not AGAINST? -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: [Draft] Refactoring IRV

2019-05-27 Thread Owen Jacobson
On May 25, 2019, at 5:24 PM, James Cook wrote: > Some bugs: > > * R955 specifies invalid options are eliminated before the process > starts; it's probably good to keep that. > > * The voting strength of each ballot should matter. > > * When determining whether an option has a majority, votes

Re: DIS: Score Voting

2019-05-27 Thread Owen Jacobson
I don’t find a computer simulation of something as subjective as satisfaction to be very convincing, even given the relative soundness of the paper itself. I’d be against score voting _specifically because_ it appears to encourage - and indeed work best with - strategic rather than honest

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8178-8179

2019-05-27 Thread Owen Jacobson
I vote as follows: On May 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > IDAuthor(s) AITitle > --- > 8178 Trigon 3.0 n’t AGAINST. Or ain’tn’t, if you prefer. I don’t generally mind

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Bleach] Line-wrapping the Line-Item Veto (attn H. Rulekeepor)

2019-05-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
On May 23, 2019, at 1:27 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: > Well, in order for a cleaning to be valid, it must be a "correction". If > there is nothing to correct, then the cleaning can nowise be effective. Rule > 2429 ("Bleach") states that "[r]eplacing a non-zero amount of whitespace with > a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Bleach] Line-wrapping the Line-Item Veto (attn H. Rulekeepor)

2019-05-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
I’m relying more heavily on rule 2221 (“Cleanliness”) for mechanism. It provides: > Any player CAN clean a rule without objection by specifying one or more > corrections to spelling, grammar, capitalization, formatting, and/or dialect, > or to whether a synonym or abbreviation is used in place

DIS: [Draft] Refactoring IRV

2019-05-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
Hi folks. The ruleset for Agora handwaves the definition of instant runoff voting. From rule 955 (“Determining the Will of Agora”): > For an instant runoff decision, the outcome is whichever option wins > according to the standard definition of instant runoff. I assume this was originally

Re: DIS: Non-email public fora

2019-05-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
Hi folks! A few months ago, I posted this: On Feb 25, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > However, the use of email (and the use of email distribution lists, in > particular) is far out of favour on the internet at large. While most people > can be taught to operate mailma

Re: DIS: Non-email public fora

2019-02-26 Thread Owen Jacobson
Reuben Staley wrote: > The main manifestation of Agora's adaptation is reports. In BlogNomic, the > Ruleset page on the wiki and the GNDT do most of the tracking, whereas in > Agora, we publish the information every week because we can't keep a > constantly changing record. If we were to

DIS: Non-email public fora

2019-02-25 Thread Owen Jacobson
Hi Agorans! Please put the pitchforks down - I’m here with a question, not a request. It’s my view that the Rules and the structural properties of the fora in which Agora is played have a sympathetic relationship with one another. The Rules and CFJ case law combine to treat email as the

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
Agora might be a cooperative, along with the many other things it is. -o > On Feb 9, 2019, at 11:31 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I’ve always thought of Agora as more of a non-profit corporation, although > I guess it’s currently an unincorporated association. Walruses were an > asset once,

DIS: Re: BUS: Raargh!

2017-12-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Edward Murphy wrote: > > I flip my Master switch to myself. > > (Disclaimer: I'm a few months behind on Agora mail, so this may turn out > to be ineffective for reasons unforeseen.) Welcome back! -o signature.asc Description: Message

DIS: Re: BUS: Rewards

2017-12-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > I buy a Stamp for 4 shinies. > > I claim 5 shinies for the SLR, then for the FLR. Treasuror’s note: the second reward failed because Agora is broke again. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Referee Election Decision Initiation (for real this time)

2017-12-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Dec 1, 2017, at 6:49 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I vote [o]. When did everyone start using curly braces instead of square > brackets? That might be my fault. At various points, I've also cast instant-runoff ballots as prose, bulleted lists, square

Re: DIS: Logo?

2017-11-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 24, 2017, at 2:24 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > I don't recall who drew that particular image. But the heraldic description > was > mandated by a proposal by GreyKnight adopted in 2007 (it was later made into > a rule): > > Proposal 4898 by Greyknight,

Re: DIS: Draft Ruling on CFJs 3611-3612

2017-11-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Thoughts appreciated, although I'm not going to make substantial > changes unless the arguments are extremely compelling. H. Arbitor, I > am not interested in judging any more cases (unless I

Re: DIS: Mail shenanigans

2017-11-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > Did anyone receive a message from me yesterday, addressed to a-b, purporting > to distribute Agora’s assets? Message-ID > f7c7dc62-8fb1-4b65-9606-5f27cbd7c...@grimoire.ca, if you see it and want to >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The black card issued to me was never issued.

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 29, 2017, at 1:38 AM, Aris Merchant > <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:48 PM Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: >> >> >>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:51 PM, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote:

DIS: Re: BUS: The black card issued to me was never issued.

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:51 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Cards issued for reasons that don't break the rules or cards that are > obviously inappropriate are INNEFFECTIVE. The Dive rule which Alexis > used says "Notwithstanding rule 2426, the reason for the card >MAY be any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:46 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Can't non-players own bills? Well, I thought not, but on futher review, maybe they can. Rule 2166 (“Assets”): Unless modified by an asset's backing document, ownership of an asset is restricted to Agora,

DIS: Mail shenanigans

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
Did anyone receive a message from me yesterday, addressed to a-b, purporting to distribute Agora’s assets? Message-ID f7c7dc62-8fb1-4b65-9606-5f27cbd7c...@grimoire.ca, if you see it and want to verify. I ask because it’s gone missing. I never received it back, and have no idea if I should

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:00 PM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > > On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 21:57 -0500, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> (If I can take actions) >

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
Oop. Missed that, complied completely by accident. Thanks! -o > On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:00 PM, Alexis Hunt <aler...@gmail.com> wrote: > > See paragraph 3 of Rule 2522. > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 21:57 Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > >> >>>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly Report

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Telnaior wrote: > CoE: Aris paid me 15 shinies at 2017-11-27 01:04 UTC. Noted and accounted for. Thanks for catching it. I’ll include that once all of the outstanding CoEs are resolvable, or in next week’s report at the latest. signature.asc

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Herald] Karma Report

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 27, 2017, at 7:18 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I give Agora 3 shinies, then claim a 5-shiny reward for the above report. > I’m late to the party on this, but neither of these two actions succeeded, for unrelated reasons. There is no way you had 3 sh. at the time (you

DIS: Re: BUS: o can be silly now

2017-11-27 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 1:33 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > > >> On Nov 22, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> >> I designate o to be next week's silly person. (week starting Nov 27th). > > I designa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] MiniNomic

2017-11-27 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 24, 2017, at 12:27 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > I vote YAY on both of these. My understanding of the Notary rules is that I do not have to track instances of private assets, only the existence of whole classes of private assets. As such, I believe nobody actually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

2017-11-27 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 23, 2017, at 12:07 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I shiny-CFJ {The Door CAN generally be Slammed on a player after > a Black Card is awarded to em, provided that eir most recent deregistration > took place with eir consent. I’ll note that this was ineffective, as you did

DIS: Logo?

2017-11-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
Does anyone know the licensing and copyright situation around the Agora logo at ? -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Informal Reportor Report (per contract)

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: > >>> Economic Chaos >>> The supply value massively increased due to a money printing proposal, but >>> something else went up as well. That thing: the floating value. Now

Re: DIS: PAoaM v3: Not rushed this time and also better in general

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Reuben Staley <reuben.sta...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:28 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca > <mailto:o...@grimoire.ca>> wrote: >> >> On Nov 19, 2017, at 7:19 PM, Reuben Staley <reuben.sta...@g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Clork] Weekly Report

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:37 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > Clinton isn't even a first name. When I came up with that name, I wasn't > specifically referring to Hillary. > So yeah, Spivak would be better here. As the Politicians are legal fictions and not persons, wouldn’t

DIS: Here we go again (was Re: BUS: Ayyyyy favours)

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:49 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Economic favours cost 1 shiny right now. I believe I currently hold 5 > shinies and 560 bills. I trade 200 of those bills for 20 shinies and > use those 20 shinies to buy 20 economic favours. > > I also trade the other 5 of

DIS: Re: BUS: Ayyyyy favours

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:49 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Economic favours cost 1 shiny right now. I believe I currently hold 5 > shinies and 560 bills. I trade 200 of those bills for 20 shinies and > use those 20 shinies to buy 20 economic favours. > > I also trade the other 5 of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly Report

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:29 PM Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > I intend, with Agoran Consent, to destroy the contract isnack 2.0. On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:57 PM, ATMunn <iamingodsa...@gmail.com> wrote: > I support and do so. r. 2728 (“Dependent Actions”):

DIS: Re: BUS: I become a party to the Order of the Occult Hand

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Corona wrote: > > What the subject says There are fairly tight constraints on subject-line-only actions, and I believe that under CFJ 3590 this may not have succeeded: >> 5. Does the message text infer the type of action that can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly Report

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:30 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > So when publishing report revisions, even if things changed between the > original report and the revision, all that has to be changed is the thing in > the CoE? In this case V.J pointed out the CoE close enough to the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Agoran Credit Union]

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Madeline wrote: > > ...Wait, so what stops me from taking a 45-shiny loan then using my bills to > withdraw everything else in the ACU and cease being a party? Not gonna do it > because it's a cool idea that I don't want to wreck, but… Oh,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Agoran Credit Union]

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Madeline wrote: > > ...Wait, so what stops me from taking a 45-shiny loan then using my bills to > withdraw everything else in the ACU and cease being a party? Not gonna do it > because it's a cool idea that I don't want to wreck, but… The

Re: DIS: base currency discussion

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:00 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Inflation: the game could actually just be a fun game in itself. Like > "race to 1 billion" type thing. I knew I used bignums for a reason. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: base currency discussion

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 19, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > 2. Is fairly granular/divisible (I mean, we count our monthly salaries > and costs in 10s or 100s of units, not 1s). So people can use small > fractions of "pend units" or "CFJ units" to trade and auctions can turn > on

Re: DIS: PAoaM v3: Not rushed this time and also better in general

2017-11-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 19, 2017, at 7:19 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > Re-enact rule 1994/0 (Power=2) "Ownership of Land" with the text: > > Any existent Land for which ownership has not been explicitly > changed belongs to Agora. > > Land belonging to Agora is called

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Informal Reportor Report (per contract)

2017-11-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 20, 2017, at 7:09 PM, Josh T wrote: > > I collect a reward of 5 Shinies for the quoted report, and if I > successfully had collected said reward, pay VJ Rada 5 Shinies as per > contract. Unfortunately, you did not, and therefore did not. My apologies for

DIS: Re: BUS: Rewards

2017-11-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 19, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > On the off chance that this works, I claim a 5 shiny reward from Agora > for my Promotor report. Close! But Agora had four shinies, not five. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7973-7880

2017-11-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 12:42 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > >> AGAINST. By my read, this would change the restriction > >>6. The voter has no other valid ballots on the same decision. > >> to > >>6. The voter has no other invalid ballots on the same decision. > >> which is

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJs 3599-3601 assigned to o

2017-11-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> AP-CFJ: "If a proposal specifies an amendment to a rule consisting of >> multiple parts, one of which is a title change, then the entire amendment >> fails." > > This is CFJ 3599. > > >> Shiny-CFJ: "If a proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fingers

2017-11-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
On 11/18/2017 4:38 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > I pledgw that I paid for the Estate of Dawsburgen. On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:47 PM, ATMunn wrote: > What do you mean by pledging that you did something? Under the current rules, pledges don’t do anything on their own, and there’s no formal connection

Re: DIS: GitHub request

2017-11-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
ld/tree/master/_includes > > On 11/18/2017 2:14 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> With the caveat that submodules have really bad user experience _even by the >> standards of Git’s awful UX_: >> git submodule add https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Header some-directory >>

Re: DIS: GitHub request

2017-11-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > > On Sat, 2017-11-18 at 13:46 -0500, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>

Re: DIS: GitHub request

2017-11-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
hat into my new repo? > > On 11/18/2017 1:45 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> As Aris said, it’s a submodule. What you’re looking at there is the metadata >> Git keeps to determine which repository, and which commit in that other >> repository, to use to reconstruct that direct

Re: DIS: GitHub request

2017-11-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > > As Aris said, it’s a submodule. What you’re looking at there is the metadata > Git keeps to determine which repository, and which commit in that other > repository, to use to reconstruct that

Re: DIS: GitHub request

2017-11-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
As Aris said, it’s a submodule. What you’re looking at there is the metadata Git keeps to determine which repository, and which commit in that other repository, to use to reconstruct that directory when needed. Fortunately, Github links through to the other repository. The root of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS:

2017-11-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 17, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Corona wrote: > > Can't Agora just go in debt? That's outrageous! Nevermind, I'll just > get the 46 sh. by rule 2508. Agora cannot go into debt, because the rules aren’t written to allow it. Under the current rules, each Shiny is a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS:

2017-11-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 17, 2017, at 4:49 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > o is our money dude, so he'll tell you definitively if it goes through. But > I really doubt it does. > > If Corona has not received a welcome package, I give em 20 shinies. It ultimately didn’t. Corona’s registration _was_

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: changing intents

2017-11-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> Did we conclude that player B actually can complete player A’s intents like >> this, >> these days? > > Well it's right

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

2017-11-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:52 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I really like this sort of combo-system as a principle - but what do > recordkeepors think? I’d be up for it on a trial basis. It _is_ a lot to keep track of, though. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: changing intents

2017-11-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
Did we conclude that player B actually can complete player A’s intents like this, these days? -o > On Nov 17, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I support and do so. > > -Aris > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Alexis Hunt

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

2017-11-16 Thread Owen Jacobson
>> Just saying it is "a record" seems a bit broad. I don't know how you would >> make that more specific without being over-complicated, though. > > I just kept this wording from the original maps rules. I don't know how else > to say it. Defining this in terms of a set of platonic entities

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

2017-11-16 Thread Owen Jacobson
I would be more than happy to volunteer to track information for either of the two land reform proposals up for discussion. They both look grand. Some specific feedback on this one: On Nov 14, 2017, at 12:17 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: > Re-enact rule 1993/1 (Power=2)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

2017-11-16 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > Did you still net a profit from this? Accounting only for the four 29 sh. payments, yes. I collected 118 sh. from Agora, but paid 116 sh. to other players, pocketing 2 sh. in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stamps, Rewards

2017-11-15 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 1:30 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > They're not in the normal email version or in the archives, but in Aris's > reply to it it looks like this: > I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to >> cause Agora to

DIS: Re: BUS: Stamps, Rewards

2017-11-15 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 12:55 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Uh... your message has rather strange google maps links, o. It does? I’m not seeing where, but I was looking at Google Maps earlier today, so it’s possible, I guess. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with

Re: DIS: Archive implementation (was DIS: Re: BUS: Archival disclosure)

2017-11-15 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Oct 5, 2017, at 11:32 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > > >> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:00 AM, Aris Merchant >> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I love this idea. It seems very practical without sacrificing >> usa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Notary] Regulation Recommendation Notice

2017-11-15 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 16, 2017, at 12:43 AM, Aris Merchant <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:23 PM Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > >> Looking at the most recent regulations, does this replace the existing >> regulation, or ad

DIS: Re: BUS: [Notary] Regulation Recommendation Notice

2017-11-15 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > > >> On Nov 7, 2017, at 10:53 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: >> >> Pursuant to rule 2493 (“Regulations”), I intend, without 2 objections or >> with consent, to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Can we telegraph this any more clearly?

2017-11-09 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Well, I did about the same as Herald when I re-posted the victory election > thing. Traditionally, the proof of a scammer's good intent is an actual > proposal to fix the problem. I think an apology is

DIS: Auctions v4

2017-11-09 Thread Owen Jacobson
Changes from v3: * Wording normalization, including MMI fixups throughout. * Auction lots can now contain _liquid_ assets, not _fungible_ assets. You can auction estates (which are not fungible). * Platonic auctioneering, instead of pragmatic auctioneering. * Major rework of auction initiation,

DIS: Re: BUS: Can we telegraph this any more clearly?

2017-11-09 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 3:50 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > > As authorized by the contract "Easy Off Scam: Cleaning Your Mold Fast", I > cause the Head, V.J Rada, to pay Agora 1 shiny towards the purchase of the > Estate of Erewhon. […] I’m gen

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Backing Documents?

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Aris Merchant > <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:34 PM Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > >> Pledges are fixed assets (r. 2450, “Pledges”) and therefore cannot be >> tra

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Backing Documents?

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > For each player X except myself (sorry V.J.): > > { > I create a pledge with the text "I shall not transfer pledges, unless > my name is Aris." > I transfer that pledge to X. > } Pledges are fixed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> 1: Make transactions from the Head to Agora of exactly 1 shiny, for >> the sole purpose of paying for an Estate. > > Counterarguments: > > We've previously found that if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Surveyor] Weekly Report

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:56 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > Well, you seem to have fixed or broken something about the times of > recent events because they differ from the last report. This is close, but not close enough. Look closely at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dumb proposal

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
t; > That's actually terrible o, because ATMunn pledged to pend it or > withdraw it, e can not now pend it, therefore e must withdraw it. > > I suppose we could just not call it in, but I for one intend to be > formalistic. > >> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:21 PM, Ow

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Treasuror] Supply Level Adjustment

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 4:18 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > god's SAKE classic Rada proposing skills. > > I create and pend the following proposal with shinies > > Title: Another Obvious Fix > AI: 2 > Text: Delete from rule 2487 the text "When the Supply level Changes, a > Shiny

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Treasuror] Supply Level Adjustment

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 7, 2017, at 4:01 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Yeah, no, you don't actually have to change anything in your recordkeeping > and you met your obligations, but just clearing up when the actual time was. It does mean that a relevelling event occurs instantly whenever someone

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Treasuror] Supply Level Adjustment

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 3:49 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > "When a Shiny Releveling event > occurs, Agora's Balance is > increased or decreased such that all Balances add up to the Supply Level." >

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7931-7947, 7954-7956

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> > 7956* o 2.0 Farm no More OP OP > > This proposal attempts to repeal several rules, but fails because it attempts > to do them all at once rather than specifying an order, assuming that repeal > does indeed still work. So it does not make any rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 3:02 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > lmao sorry if accusing you of "alternative facts" is rude, Not at all! I’d prefer that incorrect readings were bought to my attention, because otherwise, how am I to learn? -o signature.asc Description: Message signed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:56 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > >>> The idea of a single “weekly report” or “monthly report" is a convenience > for the officer and a modern expectation overlaid by gameplay convention in > the last couple of years, not a >>matter of the rules. > > Uh this is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7931-7947, 7954-7956

2017-11-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 2:22 AM, omd <c.ome...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: >> Is it possible to configure Mailman to pass through messages with text/html >> parts but to strip them, instead of r

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-11-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
Some gratuity: > On Nov 4, 2017, at 6:06 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I AP CFJ the following: The below document claiming to be the Registrar's > Weekly Report was not a report. > > Arguments: The Registrar is required to track Emotion switches (2514).. E > didn’t. The idea of

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7931-7947, 7954-7956

2017-11-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:08 AM, omd wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: >>> 7941* Alexis 1.0 HTML Scrubbing Alexis 1 sh. >> >> This does not make any rule changes. I will, however, take it on myself as

Re: DIS: Archive implementation

2017-11-05 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:00 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > 2. Annotation style. As you've mentioned, your format is a bit forced. > You're doing a great job with what you have to work with, but I think > the basic problem may be that you're trying to use markup to

Re: DIS: Judicial Reform

2017-11-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 4, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Having one person run your criminal system certainly simplifies things Authoritarianism often does. Anyone who wants efficiency or simplicity out of government should be looked at with extreme suspicion. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Estate Auction Bid

2017-11-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 3, 2017, at 10:28 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 5:52 PM Aris Merchant > > wrote: > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 5:11 PM Alex Smith

Re: DIS: Shinies and Stamps Omnibus Fix Thread

2017-11-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
>>> 2. I need to draft a proposal that, somehow, ratifies the results of all >>> shiny-related and stamp-related actions since July 30th, when nichdel >>> attempted to create the first stamp. This proposal also needs a catch-all >>> clause to cause it to ratify shiny actions taken after this

Re: DIS: Proto: CEO v2: Now with revamped estates

2017-11-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
>Action Cost is a player switch, with possible values of triangular >numbers, and default value of 1. At the beginning of every month, >every player's Action Cost is set to 1. I’m concerned about the burden this places on the Registrar to track and report these values, especially as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Estate Auction Bid

2017-11-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 3, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I suggest having the bids then work as a chain of copypasta where, when you > add your build, you add your changes to the copypasta with all of the > previous bids so that its easier to figure out what's going on and

DIS: Re: BUS: Estate Auction Bid

2017-11-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 3, 2017, at 7:37 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > Oh, thanks for reminding me to disallow this in my auctions proposal! > > Quick side note: Should this be made ILLEGAL or IMPOSSIBLE? Can you prove that V.J Rada _won’t_ have 1,011 sh. by the time the auction is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I buy a Stamp, transferring 6 shinies to Agora to do so.

2017-11-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Nov 3, 2017, at 6:37 PM, ATMunn wrote: > E is not a player, it seems, so I think it is. Oh, good point. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

DIS: Re: BUS: I buy a Stamp, transferring 6 shinies to Agora to do so.

2017-11-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Benjamin Schultz > wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 AM, ATMunn > wrote: > Let's test the limits of how far subject line actions can go... > Feel free to CFJ. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Surveyor] November Estate Auction

2017-11-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:40 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Yeah, that makes sense. I missed that. Obviously the whole "bid a > billion shinies to stop the auction" plan still works, but it is > illegal now so that's good. What’s going on with your replies? You’ve sent a number of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Surveyor] November Estate Auction

2017-11-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:28 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > It's rather silly that it's possible to tie the auction and stop any > sale from happening. Perhaps bids should be made secretly to the > Surveyor. I believe only increasing bids are effective now: > During an auction, any

Re: DIS: humble agoran farmer has questions about how to fulfill their destiny

2017-10-31 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:56 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I'm NOT missing Farming time again lol. > > Is there anything about the Farming stuff I should know before trying to sell > Comestibles/Till/etc? Some bug perhaps? Because it's soon time. TIME FOR > FARMING!! If you

DIS: [Treasuror] Weekly Report (revision 2)

2017-10-31 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:25 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > > I publish the following as a revision of the Treasuror’s report: > > Treasuror's Weekly Report > > Balances: > > 3 Shinies Agora > 7 Shinies Community Chest

Re: DIS: Proto: Complete Economic Overhaul

2017-10-31 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:15 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Actually, rather embarrasingly, the word Institution only appears once > in the latest HLR. "Contracts" in adding contracts as a valid owner, > must have subtracted institutions. Therefore, the Chest has no > shinies. From rule

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